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CBCS Finally Did It! New Label Showcase Out Of NYCC - Does This Change The Grading Game?
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2023
- In this video I talk about the new CBCS COMIC BOOK graded label! This has been a big discussion amongst comic book collectors for quite some time. Requesting to see a new label from that company and it seems like at NYCC they have started to really begin to promote them. Do you guys like it? Do you think this will be enough to close the gab between CGC and CBCS? Let me know in the comments.
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I like this new look. I think I actually might submit some of the books I need graded to see it in person.
I hope the old style label is still available and it's just an option you could select when you serve your books in. I am a big fan of the simplicity and look of the old CBCS logo
Oh I'm sure it it. It's like when the change labels for soda pop or snack foods. The companies always give us a choice. Lol. Come on man. The new level is nice and its clean.
I think they look great. It may give some more incentive to send books in especially for the signature verification.
I actually dropped off some books with CBCS at NY Comic Con for reslabbing. The labels were cool, and a nice surprise.
Excellent CBCS improvement label! I am mailing in Golden Age comic to CBCS this weekend
I honestly have always appreciated the uniform blue bar on the CBCS. But! You cannot deny that the grade on a white box makes the grade stand out as what you are paying for. I can imagine Instagram, convention, and even LCS sellers love how obvious this makes the grade. I do think the new CBCS label avoids the big white sticker look that CGC has. I'm on board!
I think it's the grade font on the white backing. I like the 10 grade design. It pops.
While people are obsessing over labels, I’ve been cleaning up on buying books raw in high grade for way cheaper and displaying them in UV protection Ultra Pro Comic Book cases! 🤗
Much better look…I have some older books with unverified signatures that I have not graded! And this label now looks way more appeasing to the eye for regular unsigned grades in my opinion!
The CBCS logo shield's color difference you're observing may simply be photographic angle, with varied light reflection.
I don’t think the label will make a difference regarding market share for the companies, at least not in the near term. I think having a UV protected case would.
Well said
Personally this is a big deal. I'm so excited for this!
You mentioned golden age: Heritage Auctions has one of 'the' major ga books coming to auction in their next Signature event. Marvel Comics #1 (and an OCTOBER copy at that!!!) in the new CBCS holder. Will be one to analyze from many different angles (rare edition in #2 slab company's new label). Will it buck the trend (is MC#1 Oct copy label proof, and can the new label 'help' bring in CGC numbers? One for the books!
I agree with you that it’s better, but still off a little. Though not a graphic designer I have worked with many on my projects. My feeling is the font is a bit thin which will make it difficult to read at a distance.
I'm really diggin them for the most part, so far from what I can see. I'm not sure I like the arrow indentation near the number. And also it does feel like the font is a bit small or harder to read than CGC. I love the black on the 10 grade. I wish 9.8s were like that.
Do you think we'll ever get a grading company expand to the UK or Europe? Kinda sucks that I have to pay for all that shipping..
I Second that sentimate. Australia needs a reputable grading company as well.
CBCS tried to do this in Canada and it failed badly due to poor service and lost books..It was laughable..Then they didn't even tell customers when they closed it and people were sending comics to a closed down location. I was one of them..
@@danscoolpaper Damn!!
I hope they go ahead and change the label color for restoration - as it is now, it is easy to overlook that it is a restored book
I think the new labels are great, Cgc labels are cool, so I hope Cbcs does the special labels too.
I knew this day was coming. I've waited a long time, but I was expecting a rebranding. They should change it to Beckett. That's the best way to ditch the stigma.
I wish there was more contrast of color. I like the CGC as the stark white grade contrasts with the darker blue label. CBCS improved their design but it seems like they still hedged by muting colors and font to be discrete. Wish they made it pop more
Its better than nothing; as a company its probably time to do something as long as they didn't invest too much in this. Many companies spend allot of money going through intensive design phases, since they just appeared to mostly copy the CGC I hope this was done on the cheap. I think it can't hurt / might help.
CBCS does have a quality that CGC doesn't, they actually make an effort to properly note most first appearances which I think helps on resale a bit, especially for lesser-known keys (and, its just nice to have this noted for the personal collection.)
I've only bought CGC second hand, and my first submission was a couple weeks ago - also to CGC. I'm only interested in having books I personally like slabbed and the resale is meaningless to me. If I decide to send anything else for grading, these really nice looking new labels are going to push me over to that way instead, most likely.
That said, I like the larger lip on the case of the CGC books - makes them easier to stand up, hang up or store safely
Its an improvement. Im not a fan of the font they've chosen. The 9.9s don't pop enough. The 10s look pretty sweet.
I would make the shield logo the white background behind the grade number. Then I would shrink the logo on the right side then line it up to the top right corner.
The new CBCS labels are pretty good from a graphic design perspective. The arrow pointing to the grade, which is now presented in a taller, thinner font, does a good job of calling out the grade in an understated way. The nicest label of them all is the perfect 10....which is a bit of a shame because it will clearly be the least seen. The two "downsides" I see with these new labels is that the text on the left & right of the label is poorly laid out. It looks like it's floating in nothingness. The other thing I believe they could have, and should have fixed is out of the EGS playbook. If CBCS truly thinks that the comic art should be the first thing people see, then they should have their "universal grade" labels available in multiple colors. Let's take a example like X-Men 50, the Steranko classic. Mostly green and yellow art. A blue label on top would call itself out, which apparently CBCS doesn't want. So do what EGS does, and let people choose a custom background color. It's a great feature. Then you can find some other way to distinguish it as "universal", "signature", "qualified", etc.
I've never submitted to CBCS, and the presser I work with won't ever work with them again. So while I would certainly give them a shot, I don't submit on my own (yet) and so it's unlikely CBCS will ever get my business.
I like the new label, but one problem I always felt they had with the old label was that the font is too narrow; this new label does not fix that. Hopefully these are just prototypes that will get tweaked before they unleash the final version to the public. Otherwise, I think they look fine.
I know man, so stupid smh
I think these look great. I prefer CBCS slabs, but I typically only use them for signature verification. I just got a batch of 8 books back yesterday. Had I watched this video first, I might have waited a few months to see if they new labels were going into affect. I especially like the yellow signature labels with the different shades of yellow.
It will make a difference for CBCS as many people will want the new label and will send lots of money their way to get their books flagged with the new info. Thus it’s a moneymaker for CBCS.
Can’t please everyone. I’m a graphic designer. I always liked CBCS labels. To me it was already the better design when compared to CGC. CBCS font design and layout is well designed, simple and clean. The only reason why I gravitate to CGC is because they started grading comics first and people are willing to spend more on CGC. CGC labels is definitely not attractive and never was. So with redesigning CBCS labels, was a waste of time and money, even though I do like the new elements added to the label. Sadly, CGC has already established a brand recognition and that will never have CBCS gain any traction over them, unless CGC continues to make mistakes which would cause their reputation to tank. CBCS has to find a way to authenticate signatures better, their has been test submissions of false signature on comics sent to CBCS and came back as verified and that hurts their one program that CGC does not have. And that will cause a loss to CBCS business.
Foil 9.9s and 10 numbers on the label? Getting carried away with the foil thing
I’m in the category where I don’t care about the value as much which is why I’m sold on EGS for my comic slabbing needs.
It is an improvement and I like it. The issue is that some need to get used to the font, I think.
I sent them some label ideas a couple years ago and posted them on their forums. Seems like they used a few of my ideas, specifically the black and gold for the highest graded books. People will complain if they look too much like CGC but the reality is, they need to if they ever want to be on par with CGC. You should be able to look at a wall of slabs and neither company should stand out.
I’m unsure what really goes on in the CBCS offices. It seems to take them years to make any kind of changes. My only hope is that their marketing department told them it would be 3 months for a concept, then a year later with no communication they rolled this out. At least then they can know what it’s like to be one of their customers.
the two things that are better are the white backing for the grade, and also the size and shape of the CBCS logo. THe number font is thin, but i am thinking i might get used to it. I am still undecided on the arrow pointing to the grade, but i accept it because the white backing is so much better and it might grow on me as well. Overall i think it's better and I do give them props for actually doing something, but they always seem to fall a little short and "pale" in comparison. I think they enjoy being number 2 in the industry. I think they're are overdoing it with the 9.9 and 10.
My first thought is I don’t like the new label. It’s hard to describe exactly why but it has a 1960’s feel.
The horizontal scale () is too narrow on all of the label fonts.
The title of the comic book will almost always be drawn with a font that has a normal/typical font width, even when it's heavily stylized. And thus, the label should try to use a standard font width as well (horizontal scale) so the mismatch isn't as noticeable.
The label needs a border. It looks homemade. Definitely gotta fix the font too
Change the black ink on the grade to silver
I'm wondering if anyone has a general metric they adhere to when valuing CBCS versus CGC slabs at the same grades?
To me, the biggest issue is not the label, but the case itself. If they made a sturdier, more modern case, with UV protection, I think they’ll start regaining some peeps. As for the new label, I would’ve gone a totally different direction, maybe black and gold like Becket card cases.
Sturdier?! Maybe you haven't seen a CBCS slab since it was updated in 2020, but it's like a brick. Most people agree that it is a superior slab to CGC.
@@76063co2 I own multiple slabs from both and have to disagree. CBCS slabs feel cheap in my opinion.
QR code like CGC does it? CBCS had it first…..
If they wanted to grab the modern market theu shouldve made 9.8s a special label too since theyre so much more prevalent than 9.9s and 10s
I never understood the knit-picking over the label. I didn't hear much of that complaint until CBCS had improved their slab which is undoubtedly superior to CGC. CBCS grading was always more consistent than CGC, and I think it was just "copium" from OCD CGC fan boys, that were desperately looking for something to complain about. I would ask people what they meant by it, and the best response I could get was there wasn't a white background on the grade.......Really?
But I get why CBCS updated it. If the market speaks, and people can't handle it not looking more like their CGC books, they had to respond.
the number font seems a little too thin, but it’s much better than the label they had
I’m am so excited to buy underpriced old label CBCS the next 24 month! Possibly wait for the value perception to level out… or if it doesn’t, will consider re-grading if it works out with risk management.
Don’t be fooled, we will see many books undervalued soon and many buyers will be too confused to confidently pull the trigger.
My opinion, not financial advice nor facts. I’m buying the comic book at a relatively certain quality grade. As a comic collector/seller, why buy because cgc or cbcs (unless signed) if grading results are correlated? CBCS alone has created larger price ranges for same/similar condition due to lower perceived value of cgc. This new label in the short term will likely have the same value impact due to perception in the initial months.
Heck we might even get the new labels for cheaper at first because the market is less aware. Overall look at the comic condition itself not the market disparity over new/old label or cgc/cbcs. It’s all perceptible value until the demand for the book is all that matters. Both companies and both labels accomplish the same goal for truly good books.
“Buy the book not the grade” I agree, but unfortunately they are priced for the estimated grade. I’m sure someone can word that better than me Lmao
This is a big upgrade for me. It takes away my largest reason for not buying or using CBCS.
I personally don’t think it matters what CBCS do, most collectors like to be uniform, wether it be bags and boards, Mylar.. sig series, 9.8’s etc….. i collect my graded books in CGC, not because I think they are better but because I want my collection to have uniform… if my first slab had been CBCS, then all my slabs would now be that…. Just IMO
They have a logo that is just bad! I know its silly but, if they add holographic validator stickers on it as well it would look more professional as well as be eye catching. Idk... the market will decide for us.
Back when I started grading, I liked the CBCS label best (the giant CGC number looks gaudy, though I'm used to it now), but the slabs wouldn't fit display frames I'd bought and I went with CGC; which also turned out to be handy since there were plenty of books in CGC slabs floating around. Now I'm *really* glad I didn't go with CBCS.
The giant CGC number labels look like fruit stickers.
Honestly, CGC needs real competition.
that 10 looks hot.
It's too plain. To stand out from CGC and others, they need something to really make it pop
Something is off I think it's the font #fontsmatter
But when are they rolling out? I have an order there now and am about to send a few magazines in
I dont like it. They should have made it a white square like cgc. The bottom looks awful
Can someone please tell me the what the color of the logo means?
I think it's definitely more aesthetically pleasing; perhaps because the CGC label is the metric by which these things are judged. Who knows, maybe if CGC came out after CBCS we'd find their labels unattractive.
It doesn’t matter because cgc books still command higher return. The label is t the problem it’s the belief in the company.
Actually Cgc stole the QR code from cbcs
It looks good, the cbcs slabs are superior to cgc and the grading has always been better imo. People just love cgc because RUclips heads always push cgc & they’ve been around the longest.
Beckett owns CBCS.
What marketshare did CBCS "seemingly" lose? CGC doesn't own white boxes. How different from CGC can these labels actually be while still maintaining a recognizable aesthetic? It would be crazy to radically change the label to something unrecognizable. CBCS has had a blue bar for years...that's nothing new.
Cbcs was created in 1979 and it’s 2023. You’re telling me it takes 44 years to come up with a decent comic book label?
Cbcs wasn’t created til 2015 I was one of the first retailers to use them, so it’s been 8 years and this is the fifth label at least that they’ve used but with that being said I’m less of a fan of the newest leaked label and hope they change it
I like the new labels better than the older ones, but I still don't think they're as good as CGC's labels. Too bad CBCS doesn't have any specialty labels.
I like the bigger grade but still don't like the composition.
I like the old label better. This looks like a cheap knock off of CGC. Looks more like PGX.
Agreed
Completely agree
Really all they needed was a better font.
I didnt mind the old label. I dont mind the new label. I do honestly think CGC still looks better than both, and that's coming from someone who exclusively uses CBCS.
I think CBCS needs to think about their value prop... find something that CGC is bad at and attack it. Maybe offer modern grading for way cheaper than CGC. Or faster turnaround? Maybe some sort of bulk discount if someone is submitting 50x of the same modern book to grade/flip? If they offer basically the same product as CGC, then why not just send to CGC?
Hated the font before... still do.
CGC has made its blue labels Black!!!
OMG, although I will admit this new CBCS label is an improvement over their older ones it also screams that CGC is their hero and they want to be like their hero.
I honestly liked the other label better and didn’t see a problem in it 🤷
Just hear me out: Foil labels
Glow in the dark!
I’m kinda underwhelmed. In my opinion the only real label that enhances is the Invincible one from CGC. In fact most of their Marvel labels distract the eye away from the comic. Sometimes less is more.
Too similar to CGC.
They need to be a little creative
The blue isn't dark enough and the text still looks boring
PGX vibes tbh
The label isn’t enough of an improvement to make a difference at all. There ARE focus groups in this world. It doesn’t make me want to spring for CBCS graded books, unfortunately.
Agree, you lose comic book value when you do cbcs. No way that changes. CGC has the majority if golden and silver age comics graded at this point.
For me, it's always been the font of the grade. As petty as it is. CGC nailed it. This is actually worse. Looks more like PGX now.
They could make any label they want
Ppl will always value cgc over cbcs. And not to mention the weird cousin pgx
A new label won't change how I submit comics to cgc. Too late on the game for a 2nd tier company to overtake the clear leader in the industry.
I would only use cbcs for some of my comics i got signed at cons before i started grading.
They should’ve NEVER changed it, now they look as TACKY as CGC 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Too little and too fucking late.
Agree
Still looks boring compared to Cgc
Yawn. Why don't they do something that actually looks good? And different?
Horrible management
Not a fan of this new label design. Almost looks like they are sarcastically pointing out the grade.
Much ado about nothing. As long as CGC slabs are more valuable than CBCS in the marketplace, the label change is meaningless to me. CBCS is second tier. I don’t see this changing anytime soon (or ever) regardless of the label changes.
Its still bad smh they should just quit man, we're stuck with CGC and thats it.
Correct
You can’t put lipstick on a pig and make it look pretty.
Nailed it
Meh.