Debunking Anti-Mormon Free Mason and Seer Stone Myths (feat. Don Bradley)
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So who knew that Don Bradley, the Author of the Lost 116 Pages, would be such a solid de-bunker of some anti-mormon attacks on the doctrine of the temple and the Book of Mormon translation that have really managed to endure the test on anti-mormon recyled time! But, here he is, just crushing it! Behold, Don Corleon Bradley, the Godfather of the internet debunking.
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Thank you Don Bradley for all your research. It has been pivotal for our family. My husband was incredibly anti-mormon and over the past decade has had many discussions with missionaries, but could never accept Joseph Smith until he started watching this channel and your appearances on it. Now not only does he accept Joseph Smith, but finally was baptised last weekend. Thank you Ward Radio for all the guests you have on, we love watching this channel. 😊😊
Prayers of gratitude for your family blessing.
Thanks for sharing… dude. That’s awesome! We would love to know your story :)
Good job!!!
Love this! Praying for you and your husband to continue to stay on the covenant path and endure to the end. 🙏
Stay nourished by the Spirit. The Gospel is true
I was slipping away from my LDS beliefs because of these exact questions(I am back baby!!!)thank you this stopped me leaving the church .
How wonderful! I'm so glad you stopped and stayed with the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
@@denebuxtoo8944 gospel of joseph smith not jesus christ. book of mormon contradicts the bible so many times.
@@MrMuaythai84can you show where it does? Book chapter and verses please
These Don Bradley episodes are top tier content.
“S” tier even
Fascinating!! The more we go to the temple the more we learn about our Savior and understanding of the divine truth. Thank you for your service and sharing your wisdom.
Currently studying the lds church and its doctrine. Thank you guys for clarifying all sorts of things for me. Im currently trying to let the spirit guide me to the Lords church if thats where he wants me to be. Still unsure about many things and which church i should be going to to get the most out of my earthly mortal life but you lds people sure do have the spirit of the Lord and i love it!
Check out the videos by a recent convert to the Church, David Alexander. But your ultimate answer will come through the witness of The Holy Spirit (James 1:5-6) just as Joseph Smith did and how Peter knew Jesus was The Christ on the road to Ceasaria Philipi. The Lord also promised the Holy Spirit would come after He left to teach his disciples John 14-16...
The doctrine is made up lies that contradict the Bible including the Bible. There are countless books that freemasonry is satanic and counter to the Bible. The problem with Mormonism it’s not biblical and has to use crazy things like freemasonry to justify the Book of Mormon. Totally demonic and satanic
Do you need attention?
Don’t let the world get to you, trust in the lord and he will guide you and teach you
make sure to listen to secular historians if you don't want to stack the deck with confirmation bias. I was a life long member until I read the cook of Mormon critically and found out that it's clearly not consistent with the history of the Americas. Read No man knows my history for a secular history of Joseph Smith.
Also, don't just trust your feelings. Something false can still make you feel good.
The most sarcastic and entertaining of the LDS apologist shows.
Tell me the others plz
Don Bradley, you are a gem! I could listen to you all day. This has been so enjoyable and mind blowing!
This blows my mind. I am a convert to the Church and actually became a Freemason the year before I joined. I personally have always felt that the Masonic ceremonies are a modern take on an ancient temple ceremony.
I had a friend who had left the Church who knew I was a Freemason ask me once didn’t I think that Joseph Smith stole the idea of the temple ceremony from Freemasonry and I told him I actually didn’t.
You’re absolutely right Mormonism was founded in freemasonry. Joseph got many of the ideas from Freemason
@@SixtySecondSpots-cl9lw It is founded on Jesus Christ. And it follows the Bible better than any other Christian church out there.
Actually these are ancient occult symbols which Freemasons are also the satanic occult.
@@lootingiv4058that is laughable
@SixtySecondSpots-cl9lw Freemasonry takes much of its rituals and symbols from the old testement, which has details about ancient worship. So even if masonry wasnt in the usa and was completely unknown l, there would be parrellels. Plus, the original ceremony was probably the result of questions raised of having seen masonry. But like he says there's descriptions of the main points of the temple ceremony all throughout JS ministry. He just didnt know how to present the information and covenants, but the info and covenants are completely separate and predate js masonry. You could alternatively cut out and replace all of that symbolism for other symbolism and it would be the same ceremony. As a mason and member, theres not as much symbolism overlap as people make it out to be.
Don Bradley is quickly becoming my favorite person to hear from. He sees things that are so fascinating. The Lost 116 pages is a great read as well.
I love all the Don Bradley episodes! One of your best guests yet, Cardon!
Joseph could not have taken the endowment from the masons, Joseph died in 1844 Albert Pike began to search for ceremony rituals in 1849. Masons took their rituals from Joseph.
I love sacred geometry, and I love to see LDS doing more to claim and use it as part of our religious life and expression.
So glad to have discovered Don Bradley and his work. Thanks all, for this excellent conversation.
Going to buy his book asap! Please post more with Don Bradley. The Liahona seems to represent the light of Christ/conscience or a preparatory tool, whereas the interpreters resemble the Holy Ghost which doesn’t just tell and point to what to do, but shows you, like the interpreters do. Reminds me of when Nephi says the Holy Ghost will show you what you should do and he’s frustrated because he can’t explain more simply than that. Really neat symbolism.
Yes it’s lots of freemasonry symbolism which is founded in Satanism. You are following a satanic religion
Oh man best episode ever guys. Sorry it's all downhill from here. You just opened up so much to my mind. If those symbols are on the temple garment and they represent the urim and thummin or lights and perfections. Then that means the temple garment are representative of the white stone we will all receive in the ceslestial kingdom. That's why they are a necessity for passing through the veil and are in fact part of the veil itself. And since they are the coats of skins, that means Adam and Eve had access to urim and thummim too. Thanks a ton.
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This is totally non biblical. Freemasonry is satanic. Which explains the pentagram on the temple. This is a cult
I think we should start calling ‘Anti-Mormons’ what they really and to be grammatically correct whether they claim to be Christian or not, ‘Anti-Church of Jesus Christ’ 🙃
Anti-Christs. Yeah, it definitely hits better.
SAVAGE!
Wapachow!
@@WARDRADIOWhat are Mormons Liars, And they have been lying since ( 1830) Sense it was founded by a pedophile who Claimed to be a prophet ( What a joke) I'm mean Really ( Alma 7:10 ) said that Jesus was born in Jerusalem that's a lie Jesus was born in Bethlehem why didn't Joseph Smith correct that lie since he translated the plates nobody has ever seen,, The book of Mormon say that Man lived in heaven but Jesus who is ( GOD Almighty said no man except him who has ever been to heaven ( Joseph Smith lied Again) ( Doctrine Covenant 84:1-5) Joseph Smith lied again,
Or since Mormons are founded on freemasonry and since freemasonry is rooted in Satananism and since there are pentagrams on the temple. The true anti Christs are Mormons as are freemasons
Great episode! I’m totally bias because I was name dropped in it.😂 The temple connections pointed out by Don along with John Welches 47 points of ritual context in the sermon at the temple have made me realize I need to go back a reread the BOM even closer and in a temple context lense. Thanks Don and Cardon the whole crew was so on point in this episode.
Love that!
I have absolutely loved Don Bradley’s episodes!! Amazing content!!
Loving these Episodes with Don! Love the faith promoting content.
Joseph stated that there was a lot more that occurred during the first vision that he never talked about and that he never disclosed to anyone. So in my opinion, the vision happened like he stated, the light came down, rested upon him, the Father and the Son stood there in the light, God introduced his Son, Jesus Spoke to him and answered his questions about which church to join, called him to be a prophet….and then after these occurrences, could’ve touched his eyes and opened up more visions for him to see. Who knows what else was revealed to him at that time?
Maybe he saw a little bit of his own life and what that would look like and some of the challenges he would face as a prophet. Maybe he was shown visions of past prophets and dispensation heads or even instructed by them. Maybe he met Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc, or saw visions of their lives, how they were called and and how they handled their responsibilities. In one account he said there were also many angels present in the vision.
Maybe he was also ordained, set apart, and anointed by Jesus Christ himself, with Christ’s hands on his head, to be a prophet. We know there was much more that occurred during that first vision, the possibilities are endless!
The more I listen to Don the more I like him, he seems to be a very cool, smart guy.
Ward radio and Don Bradley are my two favs. And together? 🎉
It’s fun to hear him say some of the things I read in his book, and then expound on them a bit.
Great content Brethren. You’re all doing a great work.
yeh this series of videos has been amazing. love how Don rolls with the jokes but then manages everyone else's attention to get down to business :)
You noticed! =D
@onandagus1 It was great! Worth watching for anyone who wants to see how to be gracious to other people's different foci without losing one's own. Amazing!
Thank you for listening to the viewers Cardon and allowing Don to grace our presence.
Don Bradley discussions all day every day 🙌
My dad has had a lot of questions about the free-masons connection to the church for about 30 years now. He hasn't known what to make of that connection. Kinda got lampooned by anti in his early 30's. And while I dont think he would be ready to see this episode, I am :) God and I have been on a journey about the free masons since I was 8 and watching this was literally adding another mind blowing piece of the puzzle! Ya know the puzzle that when it comes together, you just start crying cause you're so happy? That may or may not have been me today watching this. True story. It's nice to have friends that dont just bandaid or skim over the tough questions. Tons of respect for Don Bradley. And for all you guys at midnight mormons/ward radio. Super grateful for you guys! Keep it up! This is fantastic!
p.s. There's a chance that what I've written sounds like I'm comparing my dad and I. That's not my intent. This is me letting him have space to see things how he sees them, while embracing what resonates with me.
Hate to burst your bubble...and I too started out online looking for answers and explanations....BUT... Don misrepresents what happens in Either 3. Read it for yourself. The first mention of the veil or of a veil is when it is LIFTED from The Brother of Jared's eyes....NOT when the Lord passes his hand or arm through it. The only veil mentioned relates to eyesight. And the questions The Lord asks are nothing like the temple....they are much more general...basically "Do you believe what you are seeing?"
@@krismurphy7711 Sounds like something I said, or the way that I said it, bothers you. Maybe the way that I wrote what I did made it sound like I was putting down my father's intelligence or trying to say that I was wiser or something? Or maybe it just sounded like I was enthusiastically happy, and you didn't feel the same about this episode. Or maybe you hold a different opinion and wanted the chance to say so. But the nice thing is each of us can interpret what we read or see online or in scripture differently. In this moment, you and I are both growing, learning, and completely free! I wish you genuine luck on your journey, to whatever it is your looking for. And I know that with online platforms, it can be hard to know when someone's being straight up with or real with you. But just know that I am.
It's so nice to hear this, Marisa! Honestly, we all felt the same way listening to Don. I thought, "HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I READ ETHER!? AND I NEVER SAW THIS!?" Don has an amazing way of juicing the meaning out of passages. (His book is fantastic btw).
There's always questions. We had them. And still HAVE them! But every now and then, like listening to Don, you get this feeling like: "This is even truer than I thought it was." Like there's something bigger and more glorious hiding in these little verses. Does that make sense? The endowment has been there since 1828?! WHAT? That's mind-blowing! But it makes sense. It's kinda like, "Yes, i guess i always knew that, but I guess i didn't realize how amazing that is!"
We're so glad we get to be a part of your puzzle construction. When a piece doesn't fit, we don't burn the whole thing down. We wait until it fits later. And it will! We will pray for your dad. sounds like he raised a cool daughter. She's a Midnight Mormon, so she's cool.
Everyone seems to be worshipping at Don's feet. I've now listened to him for hours and I can tell you that ALL OF HIS CONCLUSIONS and CONNECTIONS are based on the thinnest threads and wishful interpretations. Usually online people are solid Pro or Con and had strong arguments in their minds and they express them. I've NEVER heard such weak connects or interpretations. Don see Temple links all over the Old Testament...in Joseph Smith's experiences...leading up to the Nauvoo Temple Endowment Creation. BUT...the Temple Endowment much more resembles Masonry...right down to the HANDSHAKES...PASSWORDS and STRANGE CLOTHING. And since Joseph coincidently signed up to join the Masons less than 2 months BEFORE he gets the "revelations" on The Temple Endowment, it becomes a question of WHICH IS MORE LIKELY? Also, the Official Position of The Church is that there is no ancient basis or CONNECTION to ancient times/rituals...and that Masonry can only be traced back to Medieval times. There is no doubt that Joseph THOUGHT Masonry was some long lost spiritual ceremony. He took it and of course revealed what it "should be"...BUT The Modern Church has fessed up to the truth. @@marisajohnson2958
@@WARDRADIO Yes. It does make sense. Thank you so much dude. Ya know that part in National Treasure? When Riley says "Look... stairs..." I am convinced that every question is like this. A mystery that first dips down, and you think maybe that's all there is.. That's it. The end. Just a black abyss of nothing... And then you find out that every mystery holds a treasure. And you look up and there's the stairs. And the hole that you fell into, holds both the treasure and the stairs that lead the way out of the hole, and back up into the light. And standing in the light for 2nd time, you're grateful for the journey through the tunnels and catacombs and vaults. For now you hold a treasure. And you can finally see it!
Totally looking forward to reading Don's book very soon. Thank you for your kind words and prayers.
And yes. I am a Midnight Mormon.
This has been one of my most favorite videos from y’all yet! I got chills from this, so cool!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is seriously one of the most mind blowing videos y'all have had!
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’ll be watching and sharing a few times. This is so enlightening. Thank you.
Lol! I had the same idea. Watching it for a third time now. Maybe I'm just really bad at geometry, or bad at mental visuals, but I'm not thinking of what Don means at 16:46 when he's saying people can piece the other shapes together.
This makes me want to start a podcast just so I can talk to Don 😂
If you let him talk I’d listen to it
Rock on, Don! thanks for the mind-blowing insights. Im going through your book right now, and enjoying every page and footnote.
These Don Bradley episodes have been so compelling. Better than "Ashoka"
That's the goal! Cardon said Ward Radio is going to be where members of the Church can unite for media.
Not a high bar…
Shabaka stone play tells me we got the temple items from a much older source than FMs.
I love that Joseph become a Freemason and was inspired through the Holy Ghost to create a way to practice ceremonies that help teach, guide, uplift, edify, seal, bless, endow, baptize and bring people into an experience that is powerful. The Mason Ceremony is for the earth while the LDS Temple Ceremony is for Heaven. God can take something that already exists and bring people to create something that is truly more elevated and spiritual to bring restoration to an even greater reality.
Stop being so reasoned and balanced. This is RUclips
@@WARDRADIO Stop making your content so awesome that it's making an ex-M like myself get smothered in promptings from the HG. I left the Church in 2008 and something's beginning to happen. I promise not to be too serious 🙏
God's not gonna let you go... He's not gonna let Himself be defined by imperfect ward members or fumbling priesthood leaders. Thanks for listening, bro.
Masonry has as much in common with the Restoration as apostate Catholicism has with the LDS Church. Bradley shouldn't be super-imposing Masonry upon elements of the Restoration.
I do remember hearing years ago somewhere that Joseph was like a grand mason or ran a lodge in nauvoo but that he changed the ceremony or something. I never could look back to see how true that was.
Maybe you’re right that free masons have nothing to do with lds. But you must admit the symbols free masons have seem to overlap with lds or lds symbols overlap with free masons.
Also look at the beliefs. Lds believes that things are designed in spirit or in heaven before they were created down below in material. Free masons teach similar things about creating with the mind etc. Hermetics or the Jewish kaballah says similar things that all is mind or as above so below.
Remember Joseph smith said all
Material is spirit just refined so you can’t see if. If all material is spirit how then can the Holy Ghost enter our bodies if bodies are also spirit since Joseph said all matter is also spirit
If the masons took their symbolism and whatnot from the jerusalem temple, and lds tenple worship is a christian adaptation to the ancient temple worship, some level of overlap is inevitable. Catholics take the same old testement stuff and incorporate it to some degree.
Awesome episode! Thank you, Don, for sharing your research and testimony.
I am a very active member of the church and have held positions such as High Priest Group Leader , Elders Quorum Pres. etc.. I am also a Freemason. I became interested in Freemasonry because of Joseph Smiths involvement in the Fraternity. He said that The degrees of Freemasonry were an apostate endowment. i believe that means that it came from the ancient gospel. That is why they use the Compass and Square,. The third jewel is the plumb. It's not surprising at all that there are similarities between the endowment and the degrees. The endowment has much deeper and spiritual meanings that pertain to our salvation. Freemasonry does not claim to offer salvation at all. Just a way to become a better man.
I believe the prophet was led to it to learn how to teach symbolic principles. Hugh Nibley said that the Egyptians had the Endowment based on hieroglyphic writings in their temples.
Great conversation.
Very cool, Burnerman! Thanks for the insight. We think that's about right. They're similar in form, but there's nothing so unique and beautiful as the content of the endowment.
34:40 Joseph Smith described the light as Brighter far than noon-day sun. One would need a welders mask to be able to see with the natural eye.
Except when protected by the Holy Ghost.
My most recent visit to the temple, as the endowment session began, my vision changed and there was a literal expansion in my mind and view of something I just could not comprehend. I could feel and knew I was on a deeper spiritual plane. Within a minute of the experience I began to let doubt in and the experience ended. I was left to my mortal state of mind fighting my mild narcolepsy and trying not to doze off so much but I did have another touching experience later in the ceremony. This conversation helped me understand a little bit more about my experience as I was “seeing”. I have dreams and visions but this experience was deeper and sadly short lived. I believe the Lord is working in my hard heart, especially when it comes to my La k of temple attendance. There truly is much deeper things to experience, almost in another dimension where revelation can be opened up to us in a state of peace, minus the anxiety, as you spoke of.
Im surprised you guys didn't bring Kwaku El in for this one. I think there's a lot of good esoteric elements that are connected to all this. Awesome none the less. Can't tell you guys enough how great it has been to have more material from Don Bradley. A scholar and a gentleman.
Next time!
Don "The Dot Connecting, Deliberator, Deliberating Delicious Devotedness, Divulging Dutiful Dogma, to Disciples of Christ" Bradley has been quite helpful in my faith journey, along with Margaret Barker. Sure its not enough to convince non believers, but it is enough to convince struggling believers. Thats all I needed, just that one extra ancient thread connecting our religion to the past. Thank you Don Bradley, and thank you Ward Radio for having him on.
And how about that Shabaka stone?
@rconger24 is that the one Hugh Nibley lectured on? I watched what little lectures of his are on RUclips about it and it was pretty fascinating all the little things he could connect the dots on. Definitely way above my intelligence level. I'm eating chalk and he's playing 4d chess lol
@@MichaelGMoneyBr/Dr Nibley did, but Bruce Porter has covered it lately.
The stone is said to be the oldest known document about actual human thought ever to be found.
It is a stage drama about a council in the heavens that happened before the world was. A Father God chooses between two candidates who both desire to become the Creator God.
The Holy Temple is real.
ALPHA AND OMEGA dude !
@@MichaelGMoney
My source for the Shabaka Stone::
RUclips Channel:
CWIC Media
Video Name:
Inside knowledge of ancient Egypt, The Temple and The Book of Abraham.
Timestamp: 26: 40
You can look for my comment with five likes and you will see timestamps for other cool parallels.
@rconger24 I will have to check that out, is it a lecture or a book? The temple is my favorite part of our religion brother, its ancient in nature, and spirit.
This is one of my favorite episodes from this channel ever! Can’t wait to get his book!
Awesome!
I love everything about this. So many things making sense right now. Also, YT added a Free Masonry context notification. Feels like they show their hand when they do things like this. Definitely doing something right.
YT's algorithm is an idiot anyway. It puts up those kinds of "advisories" even on videos that are completely in tune with "the narrative."
God touches Moses' eyes so that he can see in the Book of Moses too. So cool
So Wonderful!!! Thank you so much!
This is just so uplifting and confirms how God's majesty and knowledge is incredible and how he teaches us is amazing.
WW Phelps wrote the following as part of the hymn "Redeemer of Israel" - published the following words in the 1835 version of the Hymnbook: "As children of Zion,
Good tidings for us. The tokens already appear." Joseph had been teaching elements from the temple ceremonies for many years before becoming a mason.
Yes, because, Hyrum Smith was a member of Mount Moriah Lodge No. 112, Palmyra, New York, in the 1820's...
@@rodneyjamesmcguireIs it your view that Hyrum violated his Masonic oaths for giggles?
@@michaelhutchings6602 I'm just showing a great deal of Masonic source material for Smith to draw from prior to Nauvoo and the Endowment Advent.
Certainly it's a distinct possibility that Hyrum violated his Masonic oaths, especially to his Prophet brother to whom he was so close.
Wondering if that’s a reference to the marks in Christ’s hands, I.e. “the tokens in his hands I knew, the savior stood before mine eyes”
@@RB376-h7x Phelps was fully aware of the Masonic ceremony prior to knowing Smith.
Your Don Bradley episodes are your best episodes so far! Love ‘em!
Wow these same experiences happened to me. I started my own channel about it to try to explain it but in a different way. I realized this when I studied the tabernacle and realized all these stories follow the same patterns and sequences. All leading to becoming a purified vessel and seer stone.
We need a pt. 2 to this one.
Oh ... there's more coming! Be sure you've hit the notification bell!
Part 2 freemasonry is founded in satanism. Mormonism was founded in freemasonry. Mormonism is a satanic lie.
Part 2 Mormonism is rooted in freemasonry. Freemasonry is contrary to the Bible. Freemasonry is Satanic and rooted in witchcraft. This is where Mormonism comes from demonic deception. 🤣🤣🤣🤣Keep lying guys 🤣🤣🤣 You promote a doctrine of demons
As an active member of the craft and having served as Master of my lodge I am VERY familiar with all these issues. I am also an active member of the Church and have served in the temple as an ordinance worker. I also served with FAIR in answering questions regarding these specific issues. I also made many podcasts for FAIR being an expert on the temple/Mason connection and would be well pleased to guest on any further episodes about this subject. I produce a podcast so I have a quality mic/setup for Zoom or other formats....all truth, no scam here on my knowledge base AND a faithful member of the Church....if Ward Radio has concerns they could call Scott Gordon, president of FAIR
Many don't understand that Satan takes holy symbols and perverts them to evil. This is historical. A great example is the symbol of the Nehushtan, or brazen serpent. It began as a symbol for Christ, and morphed into an idol by the Israelites. We read that King Hezekiah actually went out and destroyed them because of this. This symbol is now used for evil in pharmakeia.
The "Star of David" is actually the Star of Remphran described by Stephen in Acts 7. The jews who went into and returned from Babylon were truly corrupted into evil.
The masonic symbols are also an example of perverted symbols today.
God acclimatizes us by degrees to walk back into his presence and be permanently transfigured through the atonement of Jesus Christ in order to live with Him. For we will see as we are seen and know as we are known and we shall see that we are like Him. Sons of God.
I DEMAND MORE DON BRADLEY!!!
Just a note. Anciently in the Bible animal skins were related with callings of prophets but it is also associated with the garments of skin given to Adam and Eve.
This is very fascinating and what surprises me the most about this with this subject of the Seears is how many counterfeits Satan really has had made throughout the history of the world. That he is taking something that is used for righteous purposes and he makes a counterfeit to it. What comes to my mind is like a pentagram.
Swastikas.
I've never understood why the different versions of the first account are a problem for some people. When you read them all they all align and you realize he is telling the truth but he is emphasizing different elements of the experience depending on who he is talking to and what he feel is important to communicate or remembers in that moment. Everyone one in their lives who has recounted an experience of importance to them at different times of their life will all tell it differently simply based on the situation and the audience. I myself have done it sometimes for lack of time or who I was talking to have omitted or consolidated certain points of detail. Sometimes I remember afterwards I forgot to mention certain points just based on the circumstances. This does not mean my experience or event was not real it simply means memory is not photographic. even in my life history I have written things about my life and come back later to add footnotes about something I remembered about the event to add later and sometimes for the ones who will eventually read it I have left little notes translating or explaining what I meant or felt or was using as a definition to myself based on my point of view. For example when joseph in one account mentions only the lord singularly we need to understand a couple of things. 1 when people in his time talked about the lord who is he referencing? When people of his time referenced the year of our lord who are they speaking of. The answer is Jesus Christ. This is consistent with the official 1st vision account in the JSH 1 as the father only addresses joseph and then defers to the Savior. so when he says the lord talked to him he is meaning Jesus Christ. doesn't mean the father was not there or did not speak to him at different times of the same experience. Also even if Joseph had downplayed the fathers presence in the first vision I could understand as a 14 year old boy he didn't realize by just mentioning to the pastors and others his account of seeing 2 people he was already coming into conflict as a heretic with apostate Christianity which had been teaching a false interpretation of the godhead for at least 1600 years. He would later mention just about the members of the church how he could have revealed far more to the saints if they didn't fly apart like glass whenever their TRADITIONS were challenged. He even mentioned to Brigham Young once that if he knew what Joseph knew even he wouldn't stay loyal to which Brigham was wise enough to say well joseph then don't tell me, because I know what I know. That is wise to know where your limits are and where you still need to grow before you gain certain experiences and knowledge.
1. There's no evidence of an 1820 religious excitement in Palmyra.
2. Joseph described that it happened when his mother and siblings joined the Presbyterian church which would be after Alvins death in 1823. So moronis visit took place BEFORE the first vision.
3. No mention of a first vision by ANY of his neighbors and "enemies" in Mormonism Unvailed, so where is the persecution?
4. Inconsistency on the number of heavenly beings.
5. Inconsistency in his age 14-18 year old.
6. One does not simply remembers more details as time passes.
7. If you think the accounts are "consistent", then why was the 1832 account suppressed and not mentioned in any part of the missionary lessons or curriculum?
8. Being attacked by Satan in some versions and not in others.
9. Over 30 theophanies in Joseph's area which have pretty similar language in it.
Ya, I've know about the other versions of FV since the early 1980's. When I asked a question about Dramatized Church History Stories sources, a BYU professor told me of a book written by Milton Bachman.
To me it was a faith builder and I note that it was introduced to me in a faithful tone, not an accusatory or ridiculing tone.
@@rconger24 Good for you, I invite you to share those resources with me. However, I'm a native spanish speaker so I doubt you would find ANY embarrassing church material (book of commandments, journal of discourses, lectures on faith, ensign articles talking about seer stones and FV accounts) translated to Spanish. The church is very good at hiding stuff from Latin Americans, I've been a member for 30 years, served a mission, and this year is the first time I learned about any of this problematic history. You may be able to gaslight English speaking members about how the church never hid anything and the resources were available to them but not me or all latin Americans.
Those are no small "variations" that were given to different "audiciences", either the FV happened as I was taught all my life or it is a fraud. I didn't pray asking about 1 personage, angels, forgiveness of his sins. I read JS History and took that as what actually happened, not this crap about "different audiences that tell a consistent story". I wasn't born yesterday, it's insulting to my intelligence being told that it is not a big deal.
Great example of ignorant AntiMo. Nearly every word of this is wrong. Reboot man. Touch grass.
@@WARDRADIO is that your response, just ad hominem? At least give some substance on how "nearly every word is wrong". Please do share those ensign articles that I keep hearing about from Saint Unscripted or FairMormon that talk about seer stones and FV accounts from the 70s and 80s in Spanish. I'll wait.
Don Bradley’s research and writing are treasures to BoM understanding and interpretation.
We all want to read whatever he publishes next.
This episode was 🔥🔥🔥. Please bring Don Bradley back again!
Thank you for this discussion. It helps more than you guys will ever know.
Thank you all for sharing such valuable insights.
Regarding skins, made me think of Adam and Eve being covered by coats of skins when leaving the garden
Thank you for the discussion!!
God is doing amazing works and giving amazing words even today!
Will you come see and hear them?
Oh my gosh!! The prophets saw one eternal round. Mind blown……
Jeff Bradshaw has a good book on freemasonry and the temple ordinences. Other than the general pedagogy and a few other elements, the temple ordinances have much in common with scripture and ancient Christian and Judaic sources than freemasonry. I do wish it was a longer book as half the book are the reference and citation lists.
Gotta love Qumran and Nag Hammadi. Truly vindicating for Joseph Smith
@@DoctrineofChrist248and the Shabaka Stone.
My source for the Shabaka Stone.
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Inside knowledge of ancient Egypt, The Temple and The Book of Abraham.
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You can look for my comment with five likes and you will see timestamps for other cool parallels.
This video made me make a comparison of the mormon temple and indiana jones and the last crusades end scene. Only the penitent man shall pass? Temple recommends? Kneeling before God? The name of God? Names?? The walk of faith? Taking on covenants and enduring till the end? Choosing wisely to gain eternal life? Keeping the commandments? I love this church 😊
Would have loved to have seen this discussion with one of the Jewish converts on the panel such as Robert Kay, Ross Baron (Los Angeles native) or Avraham Shannon. Seems like there could have been many blanks filled in had there been someone with Tanach background. There were several conclusions kept to that would not be consistent with the law or temple worship.
Was a good show nonetheless is still sad that there is such a strong appeal to frame Joseph Smith by “Mormonism Unveiled”. I am still finding it odd that you are all comfortable peering into the hat of a non kosher animal to do a Levitical act such as seership.
I've been watching a lot of Catholic stuff, and I honestly see some of the temple sprinkled throughout their various practices.
I took a history of Christianity class from Alonzo Gaskill & he went into great detail of their rites & ceremonies … even more so in the Pope & priests ordinations. It was very interesting. They also found a font in one of the oldest Catholic Churches that said “baptism for the dead” over it …
It’s everywhere! And I mean everywhere.
There's pre-Restoration paintings of endowment stuff.
There are parallels between Mormonism and Catholicism.
Is there any relation between the skins Don Bradley talks about and the skins of the Holy Garment?
If you can afford it the is a book by Cohen and Cohen called the Tabernacle that goes line by line through the tabernacle scripture and explain the layers of skins and their purpose. Personally I think there are two extrapolations here that are potential rabbit trails. First the hat is only described in anti Mormon or negative sources. Second the garment is lamb skin and all the Christolic symbols that go along with it. So a badger is not a kosher animal is it does not make sense that a badger skin would represent the messiah. I am having to go look at Leviticus but I thought the layer of skin in the roof was shark or dolphin. I remember it being a fish hide.
Anyway for what it is worth.
After many years, I now see how the U&T that was prepared by the hand of the Lord and given to the Brother of Jared came to the Nephites and could be passed on to Moroni to Joseph.
Very cool topic! I’m totally going to need my Indiana Jones fedora while watching this!
This has made me think a lot about the ways in which the temple endowment is literally preparing us for the presence of God
Its cool to have been here since like 3000 ish subscribers and to see yall reaching 15k now. Wild.
Cardon: "Remove thy feet." 😅
There is great symbolism in the "line" and "plummet" in addition to the square and compass - tools for building/creation
Awesome discussion! Nice job, Cardon, getting an "ohhh!" from Don! And Shaun for his honorable mention of a "yeah". Lol!
AWESOME!!
SUPER fascinating!
Wow, this was an awesome video! Super cool to hear some insight into the lost pages of the BoM
First time watching your channel, definitely subscribing, great conversation guys!
Wow this is fantastic! I want an audio book of Don's book.
On the topic of the Biblical Exodus vs. Mosiah's exodus, I think there's also some supporting evidence seen in King Benjamin's speech. That whole first section of Mosiah bears resemblance to the Feast of Tabernacles, which many other scholars have well documented. However, King Benjamin specifically points out that they're thanking the Lord particularly for their deliverance from the Lamanites (in Mosiah's exodus), while typically, the Feast of Tabernacles is in celebration of deliverance from Egypt.
Do a search for Melchizedek's Temple found and look at the markings carved into the floor.
my mind is exploding holy crap this stuff is awesome
Interestingly, the expansion of the senses that they talk about when different figures experience the presence of the Lord, seems to echo what people who have near death experiences recount. They talk about all their senses being hugely amplified after leaving their bodies. Just something that came to mind watching this video. :D
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Zebulock’s eyes were anointed with hummus. Olive oil and ground legumes. It’s in the book Maccabees II. That’s how he sees Antiochus IV’s armies. That led to them knowing where to position their troops for the double flanking or pincer strategy that allowed the Jews to defeat the Seleucids. Of course this story finishes up with Hanukkah or the Festival of Lights. Good guess Cardon!
Wait… what?! Lol
@@WARDRADIO - you guys are hilarious!
This is probably my favorite episode ever! ❤
Man I’ve been watching a lot of these episodes and it just shows how us humans will contort, bend over backwards, accept changes of the original languages , and so on and so on. I mean hearing them describe what’s smith says reminds me of something like the chronicles of narnia, invented by some kid in the 1800’s , MAN !!! Can anyone say Gullible??
I think we need to be more weary about the things we duscuss and the way we discuss them especially publicly. I love what you are saying, but it invites people to google sacred things that would rather be left discovered going through the sacred processes
Great episode!
Great episode. I wish it focused on free masonry a little more because I’ve studied that subject quite a bit. I will say, the “star of David” and the “seal of Solomon” are SLIGHTLY different in design and uses. Also, there’s conflicting evidence whether the Star of David is actually anciently historical at all.
Don needs to do another book but this time on the lost book of Abraham. When the book of Abraham was first read to members of the church, it was described as taking hours to read. But nowadays if you read the BoA at a leisurely pace it doesn't even take an hour.
Don needs?
@@rconger24 Don Bradley
Is it reasonable to assume the esteemed historian does not answer to us?
I didn't hear all of that as I was drifting in and out of consciousness. But there are ideas associated with freemasonry of a lost word and missing keys.
“I watched national Treasure…” 😂😂😂
You caught that :)
3:15. Temple
4:25. Veil Ether 3: 6,19,20
7:27 a new name that cannot be shared.
13:36 Ether 3 parallels
22:50. Question about what is in his hands. Also exo 3:1. 28:50
36:40. God comes to man's presence and then man us brought up to God's level.
Don is the man!!
Beavers would be considered unclean in Judaism. Why would God use it in the temple??
The finest hat, of Joseph’s time, were beaver pelts. Today’s hats are 10x beaver, 3x beaver, 50x beaver, based on the quality of the specific beaver pelt from which the wool was harvested.
If nothing else good comes from the Tim Ballard fiasco, it got this boomer to start watching your videos. I love these discussions with Don Bradley.
I assume that the account of Mosiah getting the interpreters also includes why the Mulkites accepted him as king.
Strong work gentlemen.
The possibility of Joseph using a hat of skin is fascinating.
Exo26:14 And thou shalt make a covering for the tent of rams' skins dyed red, and a covering above of badgers' skins.
The hebrew word for "badger" in relation to the Tabernacle is תַּחַשׁ, indicating a clean animal with fur. This was used as one of four coverings on the tabernacle roof. The number four is a strong motif throughout scripture. Search this pattern and it will reveal a lot more to this discussion.
Why did the Church remove the blood oath penalties and the 5 Points of Fellowship at the veil from the endowment ceremony in 1990? Both of these were 100% Masonic rituals. What does this say about the Temple and the endowment ceremony if 100% pagan Masonic rituals were in it from its inception? What does it say about the Church if it removed something that Joseph Smith said he restored and which would never again be taken away from the earth?
if it is not doctrine and so not essential for salvation, then the prophet is able to change it under the Lords guidance.
@@carjun2 But doesn't it just sound weird that God is borrowing from pagan masonic ceremonies for supposedly eternal ceremonies? And then God changes His mind and take the throat slitting out when people make it public?
As a member of the Church and as a Freemason myself, I can attest that Joseph Smith received the endowment ceremony and all Temple rituals by revelation from God and not by copying the Masonic rituals. Are there certain superficial similarities, yes there are but it’s just that, superficial similarities. Great show!