I’m a nonbinary lesbian who was born and raised Mormon (I’m from Utah). Even after leaving the church years ago, I definitely still have a lot of internalized homophobia/transphobia and a bunch of religious trauma.
So I grew up Mormon and am transgender, I had to leave the Church in order to embrace who I am however much to my surprise my friends from the Church continued to support well after my transition. It turned out that the members wee not as closed offed as what I had perceived growing up.
Grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. I came out so they kicked me out, my brothers and friends shunned me and I am currently healing from PTSD from it. Such traumatic event.
Only by being told all the time by Christians that I am a sinner and I’m going to hell. I’m not sure why this always happens and people poke their nose in and force their beliefs on me. I don’t treat people that way.
PINEAPPLE oh please 🙄 I’m a catholic and personally I don’t mind it love is love and pressuring people to repent or reconcile for it is pretty absurd. God loves all his children and truthfully we never know what is right or wrong. Scripture is misinterpreted all the time and it evolves, “sis”
My first experience was pretty bad as well and for a while I tried to convince myself I was straight. Eventually that didn’t work and I excepted the fact I was gay and had an amazing experience the second time.
I’m a former Seventh Day Adventist and I used to be very homophobic based on how I was brought up and now I’m an atheist. Looking back, I don’t understand why so many religious people in my country and in the world are so concerned about where people put their genitals. I’m so much more open minded now and I see people as just people and I see love as love. The concept of sin is something nonsensical to me. Taking care of each other as humans and doing no harm to each other is of utmost importance.
That's awesome that you are open-minded. Non-harm is the basis of true morality, people like Buddha and Confucius understood that thousands of years ago.
@@K3n_biggest I don't have to prove the concept of a higher power false at this particular point in time that's like trying to prove to someone that reindeer do not live in the center of the sun, that doesn't give these insane Abrahamic religions a pass though. Benevolent creator creates evil as an offset to good which would place many people in a fiery misery for eternity. God even killed the first thing ever to make clothing. Slavery is okay, a 40 year old marrying a 12 year old girl is okay, but being gay is a sin and "back in the good ol days" people stoned those gays to death. Also if you like the Jews you have to realize they're all going to hell because they have no temple to sacrifice livestock in. Also if you believe in the global flood you are a hyper evolutionist unless you truly believe every species could fit on a boat. I could go on but I feel like you'll just jump for joy because of the first sentence because all religious people have the cognition of a child.
this is so important. a a gay man and strong christian I can say that leaving your faith OR surpassing your identity both are not the right path. It hard, I'm not going to lie. But find a community that loves you and you feel safe and comfortable in.
proudblackjynx our religion also says women are under men, that we must cover out heads. However, that’s not enforced now. We don’t believe “being gay” will make you burn in hell. We believe you are born gay and can still date, you’re just expected to practice chastity. If I’m being honest (catholic school girl here), not many people practice chastity regardless of sexuality...it’s not considered a mortal sin (I.e. you do the sin you get a straight way ticket to hell.) just a minor one. I don’t know about other branches of Christianity but Catholicism will welcome you with open arms and won’t try to “convert” you or anything. I’m sorry you think that.
"Homophobia comes from lack of exposure." Exactly! Sheltering your child from diverse worldviews is potentially one of the most psychologically damaging things you can do as a parent.
@James Nguyen I was exposed to it too but then I saw that my religion doesn't support it so I dropped my religion like a hot rock because religion is always a matter of choice.
@@beastcarleeto707 They cant make babies bc their partner isn’t fertile 😐a man and a women are naturally supposed to have babies. Your argument is stupid cuz man and man cant make babies naturally
I'm not gay neither I'm religious but both homosexuals and Christians need to understand one thing. What did Christ command? His greatest commands are. 1. Love Thy God with all Thy heart and soul. 2. Love one another as I have loved you. There is nothing greater than these two commandments and everything in this universe rests on these. He also asked, not judge anyone. If both the groups followed these two things, everything will resolve.
@@23_taza Uneducated clowns like you are everywhere who do not understand the basic idea of Christianity. The old Jewish Bible is irrelevant to Christians. The old Covenant is dead as it was fulfilled with the bloody sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross who bought redemption for everyone who believes in him. Therefore, neither does the old Bible nor the ten commandments or anything has any value, it's rubbish. What matters is Christ and his commands. Jesus has already died for my sins, so I can have hell lots of parties on this earth.😂😂
I am an atheist but don't disrespect any religion, but there should be no excuse to use religion to hate on a group of people. in Christianity, God loves everyone, yet some people say "you will go to hell if your gay." which is not true at all because it says nothing in the bible about being gay being a sin.
@@23_taza this is a year old hop off, what are you even on about? It sounds like your saying “oh your wrong, we actually hate all gay people and God loves everyone except gays” im confused? if I followed christianity, Im pretty sure I would love anyone regardless.
I'm catholic and I identify as Pansexual. I came out to my parents at 13... And they were not so much worried about me "burning in hell"or some sort of thing like that... But they were worried about me not being able to have a normal life, a normal job or family... Wich is like "?????". From that point on we starded going to church and started to walk in a community from the Neo Cathechumenal Way and I fell in love with God, my faith and conviction of loving God and been Catholic got stronger. I came out to my parents again last year when I was 18 (I'm now 19) and their response was so much loving and accepting all because they now know God made me that way it made me for some reason whether it is my salvation or theirs though having a Queer daughter. The explanation is so much deep and has a lot of catechesis but this is my history
As a Catholic that will die in the lords name you can have a relationship with God but to pursue to have a chance to go to heaven you have to stop being gay.
@@ovider6625 you don’t get to determine what standards requires people to go to heaven or not. She accepted Jesus in her heart and that’s more than enough already.
Back in the day, White Christian ministers taught that "Negroes" didn't have souls. They said they took that information from their bibles. Later, Black ministers, using the same bible that was used against them, preached, and still do, that God hates homosexuality. Those books were and are used as weapons against humanity, and yet people are so smitten with that word HOLY, that they are certain is attached to the bible ... they keep repeating the same mistakes over, and over again, causing nothing but harm to other humans.
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 A lot of people say that they don't understand why there are so many contradictions in the bible. For instance, Jesus is supposed to have told us to love one another, yet, the same supposed Jesus, supports the dogma, that wicked souls should be punished in the afterlife. No matter which religion ... man-created myths never should have been believed as being true.
Yet words words of God and the Bible further encouraged people like MLK to fight for black civil rights. Don’t just take the words of people who use it for discrimination. Even if you just payed attention to history or even ELA in a school setting, you would see how people in history have twisted the words religions into totally different forms. form that aren’t only bad.
@@jessesotheysay People that wrote all those books that they labeled as being holy information from a god, or gods, were simply hallucinating. “We are all hallucinating all the time, including right now. It’s just that when we agree about our hallucinations, we call that reality.” Anil Seth … neuroscientist.
As a Christian, I found this video super super interesting. Nothing but love for each and every person in this video 😊💕 Also would love to hear more stories about people with positive experiences so we can learn more about how other churches and faith communities love and support those in the LGBT+ community. Would find that super helpful :)
@@RushD256 Sounds to me like oxymoron I constantly support LGTQ+ Community in celibacy I’m Pansexual comes to love someone regardless of their gender and sexuality.
I'm straight, but I must say homophobia is one of the key factor that prevents me from any form of spiritual awakening. It is extremely hard to get into any for of spiritualism when the community of a denomination just suddenly (and it happens often) go full blown homophobic. I joined a FB page some days ago called Bible Verses to help your day (I'm suffering from clinical depression) and it went smoothly at first. Then, out of nowhere, the posts on that page became extremely focused on homophobic verses and the likes. It was my "get-out of there" call for me.
Gay People are GUYS WHO NATURALLY HAPPEN TO BE ATTRACTED TO GUYS and GIRLS BEING ATTRACTED TO GIRLS🌟 that's all..... Being Gay is NOT ABOUT wearing the opposite gender clothes, NOT ABOUT guys being feminine or girls being masculine..... Gay Guys are SAME AS COMMON GUYS, ONLY THE ROMANCE PATH IS DIFFERENT☀️
No matter what denomination, there's levels to how seriously people take it. My family takes Catholicism very seriously and when I told my parents they said they loved me, but then my dad sent me this website for Courage International. Courage is a sub-cult of Catholicism which treats being gay like it's the same as alcoholism and tries to get gay people to be celibate. It's really conflicting because I know my parents and siblings (who are all still super Catholic) love me but the "love the sinner, hate the sin" still makes me feel suicidal.
Yeah I get what you mean. I am a Queer person and I tried coming out to one of my parents. My mom said I was probably confused but she did say she wouldn’t stop me if I wanted to marry a girl. We are Roman Catholic and I am seriously considering to convert to some form of Protestant depending on their general stance on the community.
In my opinion as a Christian, people should do what they want because at the end of the day I won't be the one suffering the consequences (if you believe there are consequences), so imma mind my business and people mind theirs. Its your own life to live, do what you want to do. I could come here preaching all I want but ik that wouldn't make a difference to people so imma sip my tea and walk away.
It really depends in the country's culture. Being gay in a Catholic/Christian country I never had a hard time growing up and even didn't experienced bullying because of my gender. We can freely visit and attend masses. My family loved me for who I am and I think that was the most important part of my experience while I'm growing up. I received the support from my family and friends and neighbors, the gangs of boys never harassed me, they where even courteous to me (maybe because I was thought to respect myself and others, that there's the right place and people for me to express myself fully, I have to have reservations from time to time).
My story is… fundamental baptist church, christian school, Uber strict parents… religious trauma left and right for me.. just now trying to heal that part of myself. For me, the church, is highly toxic! As a gay man, it was horrendous!
I was raised Christian and really took to it. I even wanted to be a pastor, but decided that I would rather date men than be a Christian. I instead embraced the worship of Lucifer and married a man.
As A black gay woman growing up in the Baptist community, I have seen so much rejection. Still experiencing it currently. Yet, I love God and am not seeking the acceptance of the Christian community.
I don’t agree with the first woman... you cannot just take of a religion (specially christianity) what you want and ignore the parts that you don’t like... if you do that then you’re not truly part of that religion. Christianity is all about sacrifice. (Which means you cannot just ignore the sins that you don’t like) I believe that Christian community should not hate on lgbt communities but you cannot force Christians to support it either.
hanzib31 if you are Christian you #1 do not believe religion is man made and #2 cannot choose what sins you like and which ones you don’t according to what fits best your lifestyle.
Nikki Alegria #1 organised religion IS man made. It is not debatable. Its a fact. #2 people can interpret the bible in different ways. Most Christians don't follow the bible literally. They all pretty much pick and choose. It's a sin to wear clothes of two different cloths. It's a sin to pierce or tattoo your body... I don't see most Christians complaining about that. Things change and have been lost throughout history of Christianity. Try looking into how it originally began. It is not that same as today. People have changed it. Hence, man made.
The bible also says you shouldn't wear ripped clothes. And you shouldn't eat many animals that most Christians eat. And that you should have a mixed harvest.... It even says a woman shouldn't wear jewellery in Timothy. There are sooooo many rules people don't follow.
hanzib31 if you actually knew how to read the Bible you would understand. The Bible has two parts the Old Testament (world before Jesus) and the New Testament( world after Jesus was comcived)... The whole point being that after Jesus was born a new Kingdom of God emerged... and the rules that Christians follow now are those of the NEW testament. And those of the Old Testament are not. Sure, all of those weird rules you stated are in the Bible... but not in the part of the Bible that Christians follow. :)
Let's recognize that until now there's still 13 islamic countries where gay people are facing the death penalty in cruel ways because of sharia law and let's recognize more importantly that our fight is not over just yet
@@mochitime9728 denying human rights isnt a respect. There are reason why gay rights isnt legilize both in Sharia law and muslims majority countries :/
@@mochitime9728 they do respect bcuz if u have the feelings they will try and help u recognize its not good or natural, but once u commit it thats when u face consequnces
It's always nice to see religious people who are supportive of the LGBT community, but I feel like most people who talk about this subject on the internet are wearing rose-tinted glasses. Think about it this way: imagine you're a jew in Nazi Germany. Lots of people around you are members of the Nazi party, but when you talk to them about being a jew, they tell you it doesn't matter to them and that they love you anyways. It's great, but it doesn't change the fact that their community kills and tortures your people on the daily basis, and that telling the wrong Nazi about your identity could get you killed. To all religious people: no matter how loving you are, if you identify with a religious group, you're associating with people who kill, torture and oppress innocent folks because of something they were born with. The fact that you don't leave that group and condemn them means that you're giving more weight to their actions, by adding to their numbers. Believing in a god is not a choice, but being part of a religious group is. Why not be a deist then, or create your own sect? Why are you associating with murderers? Is it out of habit or out of fear? Your voice won't change anything to the awful things that are going on all over the world because of a group you joined or chose to remain in.
Marine Drille ok... believing in God IS a choice (that’s logic) you’re saying that Christians are oppressing a group of people while YOU are trying to oppress Christianity (so that’s just hypocrisy). Real Christians should NOT hate on ANYONE no matter what... but no one can FORCE us to believe in something that we don’t or to change reality to fit someone’s perception
Marine Drille you’re giving a Nazis example... I’m gonna give you a different one: If a girl has annorexia, she believes she’s fat, but in reality she is super skinny... so, what must change? Her perspective or everyone else’s reality in order to make her feel she’s right? When your perspective doesn’t match reality... what needs to change is your perspective NOT reality. So if in reality you have a vagina (sorry for being explicit here) and in your perspective you’re a man... what must change is your perspective NOT reality... 😬
@Herro, I exist and here comes another arrogant fool. You have given me no perpetual meaning behind you’re statement, rather indulge in the fact I’m by you’re standards ‘Wrong’ what is wrong? what is right? Everyone answers the question differently. I have no mean to indulge in this conversation any further, if you want to put a word in go ahead, I won’t read it, no matter how many insults you throw. Good day.
The dumbest shit is when people cherry pick or essentially 'change' the religion in their head to something that fits their desires or lifestyle... either stick to the religion the way it's always been or leave & stop morphing it into something else.
True, but the only difference I can make from what you mentioned and the people in the video is that they aren't recognising that the lifestyle they've chosen (in regards to the religion) is considered very sinful. If I were to decide to drink alcohol or have premarital sex, I'd admit that I'm doing wrong within my religion instead of changing the religion just to fit my fancy.
Linda oh I don’t think anyone can hate on anyone. True Christians can’t handpick what sins they like and which they don’t. No matter WHAT sin that is. I think Christians shouldn’t hate, after all one of the 10 commandments is “love other as thyself” but no one can force Christians to support the lgbt community either.
It's the way religion is - religion isn't meant to be cherry picked by its believers & if your only argument is how you think religion is mostly nonsense/rude then there's no point in having this debate because you aren't accepting religion for what it is in the first place. If you're properly part of the religion you believe in, you'd understand the lifestyle and fundamentals of it. In the eyes of religions, there are such things as sinful lifestyles (because it opposes the religions rules) & there's only 1 version of the religion at hand. No believer on earth can change the religion they say they believe in - it's actually considered blasphemous. Religion isn't some fictional young adult story you can have your own individual perspective of.
Linda if a close friend/family of yours was doing drugs would you stop loving them? Even if you don’t support their decision to do drugs? It’s the same in Christianity. Even if someone is living a lifestyle you don’t support, you shouldn’t stop loving them.
Im bi abd non binary horrible just horrible just 5 mins ago my mom was researching monkeypox and when she realised gay PPL were getting infected she said that's good god is removing the bad PPL tgats all fun but u realise homosexuality exists in dogs also everynight she'll lecture me to not be like those PPL it was truly horrible i was molded into a perfect girl(my at birth gender) i hated it i thought of commiting suicide more than once but then i would always look up to these PPL who made it out no it's not Abt my lover it's Abt me abd u not loving a part of me they thought me how to hate myself i thought myself love cause no one's goin to love me like me (their also racist and sexist)
Same, plus as I got older I quickly realized what a shame organized religion is. The fact that so much of the world still believes in most of the same nonsense simply "because god says so" is troubling.
Most monsterous thing is that they make feel people likethere is something wrong with them. If you say there is something wrong with pastors they say you are mistaken. How is it possible that they are so blind yet cast judgment on others.
At least it shouldn’t be your sole identity. If you do believe in God, then it’s said he created us with unique personalities and interests. Putting all of those aside for one relationship is stupid and hurtful.
@@bounty8438 I can't stop being gay.. But I can swap out religion's like socks.. You can still live without it!! You can't pray the gay away.. Grow up! Dumbass!
@@hunley1872 no all scripture was written by HUMANS thousands of years ago. Bottom line is people don't have to believe in a series of books and the quicker all these fanatics understand that the better.
@@colettesargeant6581 All scripture is God breathed. God created everything. It is not just a bunch of stories. They are real. Even science lines up with the Bible. But that is because God created science basically.
Please do a vid on ME/CFS and POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome) and those individuals experience in medicine. There is a clinical care crisis...Rep. Grijalva is requesting a hearing bc this. These people are suffering, similar experience to AIDS individuals in the early days...except a "living death." Some of the original ACT UP activists have graciously come alongside us. Some die from ME/CFS organically, more from suicude bc suffering and lack of help. Check out #MEAction ! Unrest doc on Netflix...won Sundance award & others. Also, just the chronic illness community in general and their experience in medicine. The book Doing Harm by Maya D is REALITY for too many women. Dismissed. It took me about a yr to be diagnosed w/ ME/CFS...during which time I was mostly bedbound, another 7 yrs to be educated on the illness after a Dr told me to exercise and made me more ill...4 yrs later still, 8 YRS to be diagnosed w/ POTS and 9 YEARS to be diagnosed w/ endometriosis. No FDA approved drug for ME/CFS in U.S....one has been trialed for 20+ yrs in U.S. and now approved in Argentina. Injustice is an understatement.
Almost everything is haram in Islam. Example: Celebrating something that is not related to Islam, music and song, arts (because it contains imagery), not covering yourself as a woman, men wearing earrings or silk clothing, apostasy, shaving your beard as a man, alcohol, rejecting your husband for sex, etc.
I am a Christian and choose not to be friends with a gay person just like i choose not to be friends with a gambler or an alcoholic or a liar or a very wealthy person, etc. It's not my cup of tea, I'm not interested in these lifestyles.
Who said we would want to even be friends with you? From that comment alone I can already tell you're a miserable person to be around, and being gay isn't a lifestyle it's how we're born and we don't have a choice, please educate yourself it's embarassing
two people cannot walk unless they agree. G-d wants to help you but you have to be willing to accept that help. You shouldn't accept the worst but the best and being part of the alphabet community is not the best.
What propaganda? That gay people exist,and have horrible experiences with religion,because religion treats queer people horribly? Queer people exist. Get over it.
@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes I don't belong to a tribe. So don't say my kind. I personally believe I have a right to say whatever the hell I want. Whenever the hell I want. I'm sorry if that bothers you. Now why don't you go do something with self.
Has religion affected your life directly in any way? Comment your experiences here!
I’m a nonbinary lesbian who was born and raised Mormon (I’m from Utah). Even after leaving the church years ago, I definitely still have a lot of internalized homophobia/transphobia and a bunch of religious trauma.
+shutupsavannah Thanks for sharing!
So I grew up Mormon and am transgender, I had to leave the Church in order to embrace who I am however much to my surprise my friends from the Church continued to support well after my transition. It turned out that the members wee not as closed offed as what I had perceived growing up.
Grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. I came out so they kicked me out, my brothers and friends shunned me and I am currently healing from PTSD from it. Such traumatic event.
Only by being told all the time by Christians that I am a sinner and I’m going to hell. I’m not sure why this always happens and people poke their nose in and force their beliefs on me. I don’t treat people that way.
My first gay experience, I was literally mumbling, "No. No. I'm going to go to hell." I was shaking. She ended up just hugging me.
PINEAPPLE oh please 🙄 I’m a catholic and personally I don’t mind it love is love and pressuring people to repent or reconcile for it is pretty absurd. God loves all his children and truthfully we never know what is right or wrong. Scripture is misinterpreted all the time and it evolves, “sis”
@@chloe7582 this is the worst thing ive ever read ever about the bible
100th
My first experience was pretty bad as well and for a while I tried to convince myself I was straight. Eventually that didn’t work and I excepted the fact I was gay and had an amazing experience the second time.
That's so sweet! What a keeper!
Anyone else finds the music distracting?
I loved how well the host listened to the various stories without being judgmental & how well spoken she was.
+elisakate Thanks for checking it out!!
I’m a former Seventh Day Adventist and I used to be very homophobic based on how I was brought up and now I’m an atheist.
Looking back, I don’t understand why so many religious people in my country and in the world are so concerned about where people put their genitals.
I’m so much more open minded now and I see people as just people and I see love as love. The concept of sin is something nonsensical to me. Taking care of each other as humans and doing no harm to each other is of utmost importance.
That's awesome that you are open-minded.
Non-harm is the basis of true morality, people like Buddha and Confucius understood that thousands of years ago.
God is real
@@tnl-warrior3218 Prove it
@@DjWyu prove God isn't real
@@K3n_biggest I don't have to prove the concept of a higher power false at this particular point in time that's like trying to prove to someone that reindeer do not live in the center of the sun, that doesn't give these insane Abrahamic religions a pass though.
Benevolent creator creates evil as an offset to good which would place many people in a fiery misery for eternity. God even killed the first thing ever to make clothing. Slavery is okay, a 40 year old marrying a 12 year old girl is okay, but being gay is a sin and "back in the good ol days" people stoned those gays to death. Also if you like the Jews you have to realize they're all going to hell because they have no temple to sacrifice livestock in. Also if you believe in the global flood you are a hyper evolutionist unless you truly believe every species could fit on a boat. I could go on but I feel like you'll just jump for joy because of the first sentence because all religious people have the cognition of a child.
this is so important. a a gay man and strong christian I can say that leaving your faith OR surpassing your identity both are not the right path. It hard, I'm not going to lie. But find a community that loves you and you feel safe and comfortable in.
+andrewmiller This is lovely advice. Thank you for sharing!!
Good for you to find people and a community that loves you. But don't ignore the fact that your religion states that you're gonna burn in hell.
proudblackjynx our religion also says women are under men, that we must cover out heads. However, that’s not enforced now. We don’t believe “being gay” will make you burn in hell. We believe you are born gay and can still date, you’re just expected to practice chastity. If I’m being honest (catholic school girl here), not many people practice chastity regardless of sexuality...it’s not considered a mortal sin (I.e. you do the sin you get a straight way ticket to hell.) just a minor one. I don’t know about other branches of Christianity but Catholicism will welcome you with open arms and won’t try to “convert” you or anything. I’m sorry you think that.
You should check out Sam Alberry, Christopher Yuan, Jackie Hill Perry, and Samuel Perez. All Christians living with same-gender attraction.
"Homophobia comes from lack of exposure." Exactly! Sheltering your child from diverse worldviews is potentially one of the most psychologically damaging things you can do as a parent.
@James Nguyen I was exposed to it too but then I saw that my religion doesn't support it so I dropped my religion like a hot rock because religion is always a matter of choice.
My guy your a fucking furry 😐u dress up as a wolf and u think dats normal? Yall jus delusional yall gotta wake up. A man and a man cant make babies 😐
@@ABP_ you realise many straight couples cant make kids right? Are they "sick" aswell?
@@beastcarleeto707 They cant make babies bc their partner isn’t fertile 😐a man and a women are naturally supposed to have babies. Your argument is stupid cuz man and man cant make babies naturally
@@beastcarleeto707 And if u wanna call people who arent fertile “sick” go ahead 😪
I'm not gay neither I'm religious but both homosexuals and Christians need to understand one thing. What did Christ command?
His greatest commands are.
1. Love Thy God with all Thy heart and soul.
2. Love one another as I have loved you. There is nothing greater than these two commandments and everything in this universe rests on these. He also asked, not judge anyone. If both the groups followed these two things, everything will resolve.
leviticus 20:13
@@23_taza Uneducated clowns like you are everywhere who do not understand the basic idea of Christianity. The old Jewish Bible is irrelevant to Christians. The old Covenant is dead as it was fulfilled with the bloody sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross who bought redemption for everyone who believes in him. Therefore, neither does the old Bible nor the ten commandments or anything has any value, it's rubbish. What matters is Christ and his commands. Jesus has already died for my sins, so I can have hell lots of parties on this earth.😂😂
I feel very lucky that the church I grew up in the pastor was a gay woman and so were many of the people that came!
What religion was it ?
@@destineerogers6803 💀
I feel so bad for you
No not a good thing
@@thetornadocrusader968 if they feel safe within their religious community it has nothing to do with your opinion
I am an atheist but don't disrespect any religion, but there should be no excuse to use religion to hate on a group of people.
in Christianity, God loves everyone, yet some people say "you will go to hell if your gay." which is not true at all because it says nothing in the bible about being gay being a sin.
leviticus 20:13, please do atleast 5 mins of research before making claims on the internet.
@@23_taza this is a year old hop off, what are you even on about? It sounds like your saying “oh your wrong, we actually hate all gay people and God loves everyone except gays” im confused? if I followed christianity, Im pretty sure I would love anyone regardless.
@@23_taza what are you even on about?
I'm catholic and I identify as Pansexual. I came out to my parents at 13... And they were not so much worried about me "burning in hell"or some sort of thing like that... But they were worried about me not being able to have a normal life, a normal job or family... Wich is like "?????". From that point on we starded going to church and started to walk in a community from the Neo Cathechumenal Way and I fell in love with God, my faith and conviction of loving God and been Catholic got stronger. I came out to my parents again last year when I was 18 (I'm now 19) and their response was so much loving and accepting all because they now know God made me that way it made me for some reason whether it is my salvation or theirs though having a Queer daughter. The explanation is so much deep and has a lot of catechesis but this is my history
+huiliiauzza Thank you so much for sharing your personal journey!!
As a Catholic that will die in the lords name you can have a relationship with God but to pursue to have a chance to go to heaven you have to stop being gay.
@@ovider6625 you don’t get to determine what standards requires people to go to heaven or not. She accepted Jesus in her heart and that’s more than enough already.
Back in the day, White Christian ministers taught that "Negroes" didn't have souls. They said they took that information from their bibles. Later, Black ministers, using the same bible that was used against them, preached, and still do, that God hates homosexuality. Those books were and are used as weapons against humanity, and yet people are so smitten with that word HOLY, that they are certain is attached to the bible ... they keep repeating the same mistakes over, and over again, causing nothing but harm to other humans.
Alot of people dont understand the teachings of the bible
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 A lot of people say that they don't understand why there are so many contradictions in the bible. For instance, Jesus is supposed to have told us to love one another, yet, the same supposed Jesus, supports the dogma, that wicked souls should be punished in the afterlife. No matter which religion ... man-created myths never should have been believed as being true.
Yet words words of God and the Bible further encouraged people like MLK to fight for black civil rights.
Don’t just take the words of people who use it for discrimination. Even if you just payed attention to history or even ELA in a school setting, you would see how people in history have twisted the words religions into totally different forms. form that aren’t only bad.
Religious spirit is bad, the bible says “my people suffer because lack of knowledge “
@@jessesotheysay People that wrote all those books that they labeled as being holy information from a god, or gods, were simply hallucinating.
“We are all hallucinating all the time, including right now. It’s just that when we agree about our hallucinations, we call that reality.” Anil Seth … neuroscientist.
I love how you included people from different religions good job 💕
+moonlightbae Thanks for checking it out! :)
As a Christian, I found this video super super interesting. Nothing but love for each and every person in this video 😊💕
Also would love to hear more stories about people with positive experiences so we can learn more about how other churches and faith communities love and support those in the LGBT+ community. Would find that super helpful :)
+daniyap Thanks for your positive input and sharing your experience!
As a Muslim, I don’t support LGBT+ but I respect the LGBT people
@@RushD256 u can keep that we don't want it
@@feltonhicks2731 When it's 2 months old:
@@RushD256 Sounds to me like oxymoron I constantly support LGTQ+ Community in celibacy I’m Pansexual comes to love someone regardless of their gender and sexuality.
I'm straight, but I must say homophobia is one of the key factor that prevents me from any form of spiritual awakening. It is extremely hard to get into any for of spiritualism when the community of a denomination just suddenly (and it happens often) go full blown homophobic.
I joined a FB page some days ago called Bible Verses to help your day (I'm suffering from clinical depression) and it went smoothly at first. Then, out of nowhere, the posts on that page became extremely focused on homophobic verses and the likes. It was my "get-out of there" call for me.
Gay People are GUYS WHO NATURALLY HAPPEN TO BE ATTRACTED TO GUYS and GIRLS BEING ATTRACTED TO GIRLS🌟 that's all..... Being Gay is NOT ABOUT wearing the opposite gender clothes, NOT ABOUT guys being feminine or girls being masculine..... Gay Guys are SAME AS COMMON GUYS, ONLY THE ROMANCE PATH IS DIFFERENT☀️
No matter what denomination, there's levels to how seriously people take it. My family takes Catholicism very seriously and when I told my parents they said they loved me, but then my dad sent me this website for Courage International. Courage is a sub-cult of Catholicism which treats being gay like it's the same as alcoholism and tries to get gay people to be celibate. It's really conflicting because I know my parents and siblings (who are all still super Catholic) love me but the "love the sinner, hate the sin" still makes me feel suicidal.
Yeah I get what you mean. I am a Queer person and I tried coming out to one of my parents. My mom said I was probably confused but she did say she wouldn’t stop me if I wanted to marry a girl. We are Roman Catholic and I am seriously considering to convert to some form of Protestant depending on their general stance on the community.
In my opinion as a Christian, people should do what they want because at the end of the day I won't be the one suffering the consequences (if you believe there are consequences), so imma mind my business and people mind theirs. Its your own life to live, do what you want to do. I could come here preaching all I want but ik that wouldn't make a difference to people so imma sip my tea and walk away.
So you aren't a disciple and disciple maker then I guess?
I agree that it probably wouldn't make a difference but your whole minset is.....well, selfish.
@@cerealfruitsnacks3250 not really, religious debates 90% of the time wont lead anywhere and people will continue to live sinfully. dont waste ur time
As a lesbian this made me cry
How does it feel being a homosexual?
Is it really incurable?
My dad said he was “sickened” by me because I’m gay :/
Cant blame em i would be sickened too 🤷♂️
I'm sickened by you as well
@@JobinH you replying to a 3 year old comment clown
@@ABP_ clowns lmao
@@ussinussinongawd516 you're also replying to my comment?
It really depends in the country's culture. Being gay in a Catholic/Christian country I never had a hard time growing up and even didn't experienced bullying because of my gender. We can freely visit and attend masses. My family loved me for who I am and I think that was the most important part of my experience while I'm growing up. I received the support from my family and friends and neighbors, the gangs of boys never harassed me, they where even courteous to me (maybe because I was thought to respect myself and others, that there's the right place and people for me to express myself fully, I have to have reservations from time to time).
My story is… fundamental baptist church, christian school, Uber strict parents… religious trauma left and right for me.. just now trying to heal that part of myself. For me, the church, is highly toxic! As a gay man, it was horrendous!
I was raised Christian and really took to it. I even wanted to be a pastor, but decided that I would rather date men than be a Christian. I instead embraced the worship of Lucifer and married a man.
As A black gay woman growing up in the Baptist community, I have seen so much rejection. Still experiencing it currently. Yet, I love God and am not seeking the acceptance of the Christian community.
leviticus 20:13, maybe theyre not accepting it 4 a reason love
I am gay and grow up in hindu brahamin(prist) family. I never have a problem with religion. I am happy that I was born in hindu family and society.
I don’t agree with the first woman... you cannot just take of a religion (specially christianity) what you want and ignore the parts that you don’t like... if you do that then you’re not truly part of that religion. Christianity is all about sacrifice. (Which means you cannot just ignore the sins that you don’t like) I believe that Christian community should not hate on lgbt communities but you cannot force Christians to support it either.
Nikki Alegria religion is man made. If you believe in the core values but not other parts, of course you can still be a part of the community.
hanzib31 if you are Christian you #1 do not believe religion is man made and #2 cannot choose what sins you like and which ones you don’t according to what fits best your lifestyle.
Nikki Alegria #1 organised religion IS man made. It is not debatable. Its a fact. #2 people can interpret the bible in different ways. Most Christians don't follow the bible literally. They all pretty much pick and choose. It's a sin to wear clothes of two different cloths. It's a sin to pierce or tattoo your body... I don't see most Christians complaining about that. Things change and have been lost throughout history of Christianity. Try looking into how it originally began. It is not that same as today. People have changed it. Hence, man made.
The bible also says you shouldn't wear ripped clothes. And you shouldn't eat many animals that most Christians eat. And that you should have a mixed harvest.... It even says a woman shouldn't wear jewellery in Timothy. There are sooooo many rules people don't follow.
hanzib31 if you actually knew how to read the Bible you would understand. The Bible has two parts the Old Testament (world before Jesus) and the New Testament( world after Jesus was comcived)... The whole point being that after Jesus was born a new Kingdom of God emerged... and the rules that Christians follow now are those of the NEW testament. And those of the Old Testament are not. Sure, all of those weird rules you stated are in the Bible... but not in the part of the Bible that Christians follow. :)
Let's recognize that until now there's still 13 islamic countries where gay people are facing the death penalty in cruel ways because of sharia law and let's recognize more importantly that our fight is not over just yet
Tbh as a Muslim it upsets me because in islam we should respect everyone weather they are gay or not :(
Because it's forbidden in Islam, y in west ppl are giving death penalty for murder, the ppl are changing ecosystem of world.
It can't be justified
@@mochitime9728 denying human rights isnt a respect. There are reason why gay rights isnt legilize both in Sharia law and muslims majority countries :/
@@mochitime9728 they do respect bcuz if u have the feelings they will try and help u recognize its not good or natural, but once u commit it thats when u face consequnces
I am an atheist myself.
It's always nice to see religious people who are supportive of the LGBT community, but I feel like most people who talk about this subject on the internet are wearing rose-tinted glasses.
Think about it this way: imagine you're a jew in Nazi Germany. Lots of people around you are members of the Nazi party, but when you talk to them about being a jew, they tell you it doesn't matter to them and that they love you anyways. It's great, but it doesn't change the fact that their community kills and tortures your people on the daily basis, and that telling the wrong Nazi about your identity could get you killed.
To all religious people: no matter how loving you are, if you identify with a religious group, you're associating with people who kill, torture and oppress innocent folks because of something they were born with. The fact that you don't leave that group and condemn them means that you're giving more weight to their actions, by adding to their numbers.
Believing in a god is not a choice, but being part of a religious group is. Why not be a deist then, or create your own sect? Why are you associating with murderers? Is it out of habit or out of fear? Your voice won't change anything to the awful things that are going on all over the world because of a group you joined or chose to remain in.
Marine Drille ok... believing in God IS a choice (that’s logic) you’re saying that Christians are oppressing a group of people while YOU are trying to oppress Christianity (so that’s just hypocrisy).
Real Christians should NOT hate on ANYONE no matter what... but no one can FORCE us to believe in something that we don’t or to change reality to fit someone’s perception
Marine Drille you’re giving a Nazis example... I’m gonna give you a different one:
If a girl has annorexia, she believes she’s fat, but in reality she is super skinny... so, what must change? Her perspective or everyone else’s reality in order to make her feel she’s right?
When your perspective doesn’t match reality... what needs to change is your perspective NOT reality.
So if in reality you have a vagina (sorry for being explicit here) and in your perspective you’re a man... what must change is your perspective NOT reality... 😬
@@nikkialegria2925 then you can’t force us to believe in a sexuality we know is wrong.
@@ovider6625 you believe is wrong*
@Herro, I exist and here comes another arrogant fool. You have given me no perpetual meaning behind you’re statement, rather indulge in the fact I’m by you’re standards ‘Wrong’ what is wrong? what is right? Everyone answers the question differently. I have no mean to indulge in this conversation any further, if you want to put a word in go ahead, I won’t read it, no matter how many insults you throw. Good day.
The dumbest shit is when people cherry pick or essentially 'change' the religion in their head to something that fits their desires or lifestyle... either stick to the religion the way it's always been or leave & stop morphing it into something else.
True, but the only difference I can make from what you mentioned and the people in the video is that they aren't recognising that the lifestyle they've chosen (in regards to the religion) is considered very sinful. If I were to decide to drink alcohol or have premarital sex, I'd admit that I'm doing wrong within my religion instead of changing the religion just to fit my fancy.
Linda because everybody does it then it becomes ok?
Linda oh I don’t think anyone can hate on anyone. True Christians can’t handpick what sins they like and which they don’t. No matter WHAT sin that is. I think Christians shouldn’t hate, after all one of the 10 commandments is “love other as thyself” but no one can force Christians to support the lgbt community either.
It's the way religion is - religion isn't meant to be cherry picked by its believers & if your only argument is how you think religion is mostly nonsense/rude then there's no point in having this debate because you aren't accepting religion for what it is in the first place.
If you're properly part of the religion you believe in, you'd understand the lifestyle and fundamentals of it. In the eyes of religions, there are such things as sinful lifestyles (because it opposes the religions rules) & there's only 1 version of the religion at hand.
No believer on earth can change the religion they say they believe in - it's actually considered blasphemous. Religion isn't some fictional young adult story you can have your own individual perspective of.
Linda if a close friend/family of yours was doing drugs would you stop loving them? Even if you don’t support their decision to do drugs? It’s the same in Christianity. Even if someone is living a lifestyle you don’t support, you shouldn’t stop loving them.
Im bi abd non binary horrible just horrible just 5 mins ago my mom was researching monkeypox and when she realised gay PPL were getting infected she said that's good god is removing the bad PPL tgats all fun but u realise homosexuality exists in dogs also everynight she'll lecture me to not be like those PPL it was truly horrible i was molded into a perfect girl(my at birth gender) i hated it i thought of commiting suicide more than once but then i would always look up to these PPL who made it out no it's not Abt my lover it's Abt me abd u not loving a part of me they thought me how to hate myself i thought myself love cause no one's goin to love me like me (their also racist and sexist)
i like the topic but the music is very distracting. I wish there was no music when they were talking.
Thank you for this video, very well done and informative
My only religious encounters have been negative so I have some very negative views on religion as a whole
Same and don’t let anyone ever tell you your feelings are wrong ❤
Same, plus as I got older I quickly realized what a shame organized religion is. The fact that so much of the world still believes in most of the same nonsense simply "because god says so" is troubling.
Clicked because the thumbnail looked like Shane Dawson and Jeffree Star 😭😂
love this video and love the taboo series!!!
Wow, this video is so important. Applause to you, Refinery29!
Someone wanna drop Josh's instagram??
m an LGBT Christian so other When i meat other Christians its a bit akward
I feel u...
@@as2s3hf7gff Yea
You can't be an lgbt christian. Saying you're an lgbt christian is like saying you're a vegan who eats meat.
@@Pomni740 yea ik I'm atheist now
love you guys
+hannahvlogs
Oh my god the quantity of vocal fry in this video
Most monsterous thing is that they make feel people likethere is something wrong with them. If you say there is something wrong with pastors they say you are mistaken. How is it possible that they are so blind yet cast judgment on others.
I just don’t get why they’re allowed to use a book as some objective truth against other people.
why is this caricature so common 3:00? Guy guy with super religous parents it seems to always happen.
Very very interesting.
I'm so tired
Drop the background music.
God is good
Religion is Not an identity..
At least it shouldn’t be your sole identity. If you do believe in God, then it’s said he created us with unique personalities and interests. Putting all of those aside for one relationship is stupid and hurtful.
@@bounty8438 I can't stop being gay.. But I can swap out religion's like socks.. You can still live without it!! You can't pray the gay away.. Grow up! Dumbass!
Yes It Is And You Have To Talk About GOD As If He Was Real Otherwise You'll Hurt My Feelings And YOU'LL Be Considered A Bigoted Fascist 🙃
This gives me insight on how one of my friends must feel
God says homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Correction - that's what MAN WROTE. The Bible was written by man not by God
@@colettesargeant6581 But all scripture was God breathed.
@@hunley1872 no all scripture was written by HUMANS thousands of years ago. Bottom line is people don't have to believe in a series of books and the quicker all these fanatics understand that the better.
@@colettesargeant6581 All scripture is God breathed. God created everything. It is not just a bunch of stories. They are real. Even science lines up with the Bible. But that is because God created science basically.
@@hunley1872 blah blah blah. Tell someone who cares
Please do a vid on ME/CFS and POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome) and those individuals experience in medicine. There is a clinical care crisis...Rep. Grijalva is requesting a hearing bc this. These people are suffering, similar experience to AIDS individuals in the early days...except a "living death." Some of the original ACT UP activists have graciously come alongside us. Some die from ME/CFS organically, more from suicude bc suffering and lack of help. Check out #MEAction ! Unrest doc on Netflix...won Sundance award & others. Also, just the chronic illness community in general and their experience in medicine. The book Doing Harm by Maya D is REALITY for too many women. Dismissed. It took me about a yr to be diagnosed w/ ME/CFS...during which time I was mostly bedbound, another 7 yrs to be educated on the illness after a Dr told me to exercise and made me more ill...4 yrs later still, 8 YRS to be diagnosed w/ POTS and 9 YEARS to be diagnosed w/ endometriosis. No FDA approved drug for ME/CFS in U.S....one has been trialed for 20+ yrs in U.S. and now approved in Argentina. Injustice is an understatement.
LGBTQ in the title, LGQ in the video
Where’s the H?
Wait isn't being in the LGBTQ+ Community when your Muslim Haram?
Almost everything is haram in Islam. Example: Celebrating something that is not related to Islam, music and song, arts (because it contains imagery), not covering yourself as a woman, men wearing earrings or silk clothing, apostasy, shaving your beard as a man, alcohol, rejecting your husband for sex, etc.
@@XfromDarkHorse and source? Or ye just making it up, nah
@@troll5436 source: ruclips.net/video/K63xnGVX7KI/видео.html
I am a Christian and choose not to be friends with a gay person just like i choose not to be friends with a gambler or an alcoholic or a liar or a very wealthy person, etc. It's not my cup of tea, I'm not interested in these lifestyles.
Who said we would want to even be friends with you? From that comment alone I can already tell you're a miserable person to be around, and being gay isn't a lifestyle it's how we're born and we don't have a choice, please educate yourself it's embarassing
Perhaps you should read into the sorts of people Jesus associated with.
@@mushroomgal9614 associates or friends? I help all kinds of people as Jesus does. His friends are the disciples. Don't cast your pearls before swine.
God is real
prove it.
Hail Satan
@@fla8623 Hail Neither.
Both God and Satan are cringe imo
@@urotaion9879 but least i can admit that satan is fake
@@SweatierAcorn They never can.
two people cannot walk unless they agree. G-d wants to help you but you have to be willing to accept that help. You shouldn't accept the worst but the best and being part of the alphabet community is not the best.
Yeah no fucking thanks bye
Who else thought of the Judy chop once he said Judaism? 😂 Wait just me ok
Relativism at its finest.
First
Aaaaaannd with that last phrase I can now see she’s a Christian 😂
The muslim ajahahah amzing
he's not Muslim dumass🤣🖕
scruffy girls
May god judge them
@James Nguyen I rather have god judge them then other people do
I’m homofobic
That’s funny
Thanks
Lol
Are you talking to yourself
No
Stop with your gay propaganda. This is a disgrace
FUCK RELIGION
What propaganda? That gay people exist,and have horrible experiences with religion,because religion treats queer people horribly? Queer people exist. Get over it.
Free speech. Deal with it.
@@thepanda1044 Your Kind Doesn't Believe In Free Speech.
@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes I don't belong to a tribe. So don't say my kind. I personally believe I have a right to say whatever the hell I want. Whenever the hell I want. I'm sorry if that bothers you. Now why don't you go do something with self.