Overwatch's Spawn Points Are Not Mirrored
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- Take a sip of water every time I say "spawn point". Yes, even that one.
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┣ 0:00 Introduction
┣ 1:41 Spawn Point Mechanics
┣ 3:56 Spawn Point RNG
┣ 7:34 Unmirrored Spawn Points
┣ 13:12 Missing Spawn Points
┗ 14:44 The Secret of Workshop Island
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hi. I was away due to life issues, extreme burnout, and various gamedev projects. if you're still here, thank you for your unwavering support. 💙🧡
speaking of, consider checking out the marble game I worked on! it's on every platform (except the souljagame): store.steampowered.com/app/864060/Marble_It_Up_Ultra
Hope ur doing great, it's good to have you back bud!!!
It’s good to have you back! Hope you’re doing well.
We'll always be here for marblr content ❤
Happy to have you back whenever you find something interesting!
Also, Venture release is coming up so that could be a fun video with the abilities 👀
so happy you're back my goat 💖🔥
blaming my c9 on a bad spawn location is now valid
we're about to get favored and uphill battle rank modifiers based on our spawns
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What the fudge is c9?
Do people just genuinely not know what C9ing actually is. Suddenly in season 9 everyone is using it incorrectly. Not reaching the point in time isnt C9ing. Its when you forget to touch it while having every opportunity to.
@@Saoshinkid with new players joining since overwatch is free, its obvious not a lot will know the real context/meaning of C9. Heck I just learned it a month ago despite starting OW a year ago
You've found another way for people to cope with losses that were definitely not their fault, but the 0.25 second difference from spawn points.
not gonna lie, matches in wich i ABSOLUTELY reached the payload but the game decided i didnt, did come to my mind.
@@Naza95 this is what i was thinking.my entire team half a step from the objective... it's definitely happened a few times
It matters to characters like Ana.
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@@AlleyCatUwUIt matters to all of the characters, just more to the slower 1s.
@@Naza95 Every player has had these games and as a result this is not a small issue. Every player has had this happen multiple times of they've played 100 games or more.
12:18 "Okay, so Team 1 has twelve spawn points"
This bit of trivia is going to haunt me for the rest of my life
I wonder if this has to do with the bot spawn locations for the cthulu event during season 9 where one of the rooms have a bunch of bots spawning at the same time.
I can't wait to see "adjusted respawn points in order to make more fair and logical spawns" in the next set of patch notes
I can't wait to see which spawn point is canonically gay after the next Actiblizzard controversy.
@@krodmandoon3479 😂
@@krodmandoon3479 ?
@@krodmandoon3479wow never heard that one before! because that’s something that definitely happens!
@@krodmandoon3479 (*exec does sexual harassment*) UH UH SPAWN POINT 3 IS NOW YOUR MOTHER'S NURSE'S CAREGIVER
What I found the most interesting is that Horizon has 5 spawn points despite being an Overwatch 1 map
Maybe some dev thought about reducing the amount of spawn points for all maps but after a few maps got bored and decided there's no point in that
No no, he had a point, a Spawn one.
@@Zen-db5pp they thought of keeping 2CP in Overwatch 2, but scrapped that idea (you can see it in the OW2 trailer having a 2CP Gothenburg)
Im just throwing this out there as my guess as to why (although I have no idea more than anyone else) but maybe the reason it has 5 spawn points instead of the usual 6 is because when they reworked the map to be space opera themed in season 4, maybe someone touched on them then? Again, idk but that's my guess.
@@iro9697 Horizon was also significantly reworked back in 2018, but I'm not sure if the map had 6 spawn points prior to that because...well, old overwatch versions are lost to time.
This is definitely a “how did you guys mess this up” kind of vibe
I think they never really thought about it, it seems like the kind of mistake that you make when you fail to realize the severity of one's current decision.
in OW1 the spawn points were placeholders until they weren't, and deathmatch was, like, intentionally unbalanced.
then during OW2's development, Bobby Kotick had the devs working eighty hour weeks on dumb shit that (surprise!) turned out not to be fun, and not a soul remembers how those spawn points got there.
oh, and then they were fired after the merger
@@robotizedcyborg7788 I think they correctly realized the lack of severity
@@Neuvost yea placeholder definitely is the best option of what happened
I’m pretty sure they probably didn’t think it was a big deal and well… it probably still isn’t as marblr pointed out, no one ever cared about this for 7+ years lmao.
An idea for a video, if you're interested: I've noticed that Kiriko's "Kitsune Rush Assists" stat seems to be weirdly inflated, in that a single use of Kitsune Rush will sometimes result in more assists than there are enemy players to get assists on in the first place. My current theory is that it counts an assist for each teammate that contributed to the kill, but then that leaves the question of why is Kitsune Rush the only ability that counts assists in this way? (Or if it's not, what other abilities do?)
I noticed that too and yeah I think the same thing, if your teammates participate in the same kill it inflates assists. Cool to know someone else noticed this
Oh interesting, so in theory, if all four of your teammates contributed to a team wipe while in Kitsune rush, you'd get 20 assists?
Or hog that can get doble kill with one kill
@@stio_studioi've heard that too, but don't check the stats when it happens, i need to check because i play thinking its an audio bug which casually started with the addition of pig pen
Assists are more of status effect related. Either a positive effect for your teammate such as damage boost or nano...or a negative one towards the enemy such as sleeping and bleed. I've noticed how kill/elim counts are never accurate as well. I've mentioned it to a few streamers about elims not being accurate but I'm pretty much dismissed on it. But yeah, like someone mentioned earlier, if 3 people attacked an enemy, then those 3 will get an elim count instead of the final blow player getting an elim and the other 2 would get an assist like in other games.
guys we didnt lose because we suck, we lost cuz we spawned 0.01m farther than the other team
MARBLR IS THAT YOU????
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@@SimoneBellomonte It’s from the trailer of ‘lies of p’ with glasses edited on. Pretty sure I got it from a thumbnail though. 🤺 your pfp is just as fabulous
no its ME
Played for thousands of hours and never even thought about this mechanic. Thank you Marblr 🙏🙏🙏 another thing I can blame when I lose
the collesieum one has to be fixed thats just straight up unfair
I've thought about the asymmetry of spawns since the very beginning of Overwatch 1 tbh, it's an important consideration in shooter map design
Sometimes the random spawn decides what door is faster to leave from. This is important for heroes like Lucio that do different rollouts out of each door, even if the doors are parallel to each other.
This definitely feels like an oversight. Also I really appreciate your overanalysing of things like this. Going super deep into the "useless" details and exact numbers. It takes a special kind of person with unique dedication and interests to make undoubtedly high quality content like this, and surprisingly there's a healthy amount of viewers who'd watch it.
whoever drew that D.Va must be really cool
DVA main and i agree
“Since these maps are perfectly mirror, there are no differences betwe- oh wait they’re different…” funniest line ever! So happy you’re back Marblr!! Missed you
Oh my gosh. Hi, Lucio main here- thank you for proving that I’m not crazy. I always found the rollouts seemed ever so slightly off depending on team selection and people just told me that I was just spawning in a different spot and that nothing changes between the teams- but I WAS RIGHT! Thank you, that drove me insane when I used to play overwatch.
We finally get the origin of the "Marble-er" name 👀
This was rather intriguing I must admit.
The instance of Colosseo's spawns could be the explanation for why I always see the side with the spawn advantage managing to hold the bot in overtime for ridiculous amounts of time while the other side I rarely see overtime last long.
Good thing their reworking it in season 11. That day can't come any faster.
@@BeastMode-bw2ry All they'll probably do is remove the glass. Do you really expect blizzard to fix spawns?
6:09 I love the added E on the Circuit Royal. It's a subtile statement but it's there
As a QA lead (for a completely unrelated industry) your vids are always fun to watch. It also shows how beneficial a good QA team can be. Either these were caught and the devs said, "F*CK IT! WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!" or the QA team was never assigned to look for these types of issues. I am thinking it is the former and it has never been any sort of issue.
11:11 glad to see Spilo made it into the video xD
1111...what a timestamp
Will they remove the glass first or fix the spawn points first
Spilo?
@@SimoneBellomonte he's hearable in the background and when you enable video captions
"REMOVE THE GLASS!!!!" Lmao
Wait, you work on marble it up ultra?! No way, that's so cool!
the addition of a tiny 'E' for Circuit Royal(e) in the top left makes me happy, it only makes sense
No way you started this off with an Andy hunter song, my childhood memories of playing ssx3 just came back holy shit
When the world needed him most, he came back. Fucking legend.
the return of the king
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@@SimoneBellomontegoogle padoru Nero
from this day onward i will blame everything on the spawnpoints. thank you for covering this.
I really wish you would’ve talked about flashpoint spawns. I’ve felt before that the spawns aren’t fair and getting one point and then the opposite team getting placed right next to the next spawn and your team having to walk across the map has always drove me crazy
I really shouldn’t be surprised that Marblr worked on one of the best Marble games
Finally a new marblr masterpeace. I missed you man, hope you get into regular reuploads - and if not ill just enjoy the inconsistent masterpeaces :) thank you
THIS EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY CLIPS OF PEOPLE SPAWNING ONTOP OF EACH OTHER AND PUSHING EACH OTHER FROM THE INSIDE!! THATS SO NEAT
The king of high quality overwatch content has returned to claim his crown 👑👑👑
I love Marble It Up and was genuinely shocked you worked on it 😅 welcome back!
I love the insane work you put into finding out strange inconsistencies. I'd absolutely would fix this if I could, but I'm sure whoever placed them didn't give it a second thought in favor of reaching a deadline.
man I missed your videos , they are just so pleasant on the eyes
I can't wait to see a whole game dev journey miniseries or just videos outside of OW
the concept of this video is so cool, thank you for making it and doing such a good job! you definitely earned a sub
Wow i started falling out of overwatch about the same time you stopped uploading and ive just gotten back in with the pre-release of venture and here you are! Seriously though take the time you need to make your amazing content!
Venture brings people together
I was rewatching your old videos recently, glad to see you're back!
Glad to see you back! Always love your informative Overwatch videos ♥
didn’t expect it here
Thank you Marblr! Glad you're back :) I have been curious about the formation of spawn points. I like looking back at the team and seeing everyone lined up but this is a rare case as most people tend to move from their starting position right away ):
I love Marble It Up! Awesome to hear you've worked on that, and a new video in general
I absolutely *live* for the silly, hyperspecific details you manage to uncover. Good to see you back!
something else to mention is rollouts. there are a lot of maps with geometry in the spawn room that are used for rollouts, which you can't reach as smoothly/quickly depending on your spawn room. as a lucio main ive noticed it alot, especially in rialto 2nd point attack where you can't smoothly line up for the narrow part and makes it much harder to do the ideal rollout for it
I love Marble it up so much! Really nice surprise to hear you worked on it.
Great video as always :) Keep up the great work
I found you out recently, but when I saw you disappeared a got sad cause I liked your content and wanted to watch more. I’m glad to see you’re back! 😊
so good to see you back! the stuff you make is so consistently excellent :)
thank you so much for this lmao. I've been so curious in the past why because sometimes it feels o weird not spawn in the same place.
Glad you're back, I've been checking in your channel the past few weeks actually! Hope you're doing better. Another fascinating observation and nice to see all the data. We demand symmetrical spawns on symmetrical maps!!
wow youre back! hope youre doing very well with all the projects youre working on!!
This video is strangely specific and really well crafted
Nice job lol
Marblr your videos are always a joy to watch, informative like a vsauce video and edited well enough like a 3blue1brown video. Masterpieces, don't stop!
Omg i watched your videos a few days ago wondering where you were. Glad you're doing well!
No exaggeration when I say seeing you in my sub feed made my day. Genuine excitement seeing your channels name when I opened RUclips.
Awesome video! I’m actually really thankful that someone looked into this because I always thought it was weird on Colloseo how one team always got to point faster, but I just figured I was going insane.
Vindicated!!
Thank you Marblr!
Well remember at the start of the match, everyone can move towards the doors before they open
@@jamesharding7536 It doesn't matter. After that the position of spawning points decide whenever the team will win the match
your game is really good! i watched a streamer playing Marble It Up! Ultra 4 years ago and i still have vivid memories
I will never use this piece of information in my life, but i still find it fascinating, thank you for your work Marblr :D
Dont play the game anymore but I just thought about this channel the other day, glad to see another upload!
When I saw "mirror" in the title I stopped for a moment cos I thought you had insider information on the new Mirror Universe for Season 10...turns out it was about spawn points and was much more interesting too!
actually your comment aged like wine, you've predicted the season's theme
Dude, Marble It Up and all the OG Marble Blasts are some of my favourite games
Had no idea you worked on it!
i literally checked your yt last week and was sad you hadn’t posted in a while AND THEN YOU COME BACK
Welcome back!!!!! We missed you ❤
This guy is so cool man I love this guy
i love the music choice in your videos. usually from games i love and osts i listen to regularly
I was wondering about you just the other day, hope you're doing ok! Please continue to take care of yourself! Your videos are always SO awesome 💕
FINALLY SOMEONE MAKES A VID ABOUT THIS TOPIC
I was getting so bothered on Gibraltar defender spawn points the other day and tried to look stuff up and found nothing.
When we needed him most...
OMG! The way your game took me back to playing marble blast ultra on my parents CRT as a kid! What a throwback! I hope the development goes smoothly that looks like it'll be a blast! (pun absolutely intended)
Your videos are very good. I get a lot out of them to do and study about my game designs. Great job! I hope you can do that with more different games someday
13:42 so that's why sometimes I spawn inside another player and my player model starts drifting around in this map's spawn room.
take as much time as you need
great vid! I'm looking forward to the follow up about deathmatch maps!
the thing that comes to mind for me is that I'm guessing that free-for-all King's Row has exactly eight spawns
I can't BELIEVE you worked on Marble It Up Ultra. I adore that game and the marble blast games too. That's super cool!
4:04 Circuit Royalᵉ
Oh ma god he's alive, W
so glad you're back Marblr. I missed the content so much!
Was just thinking about what you were up to and glad you're back! Idk if you used it before but the windows xp windows for the old counter strike posts were cool!
He lives!
15:53 🤨🤨🤨🤨
I love this content. It's rare to find this level of quality and commitment
“Horizon Lunar Colony, if you can remember it”
This is making me miss ow1
The Spilo voice clip at 11:11 IJBOLLL
ijbol 💀
I missed you, thank you for the informative and humorous video!
So good to have you back !! Last week I've been wondering what happened to you, I hope it's going better. Also your game looks really good and I hope it meets success !
It is nice that you are back, and in terms of the video I would also like to add a bug with spawns I have had a several times. As you both mentioned and showed, when the 3 second period of unavailability of a spawn point after someone spawns there ends, if another player spawns on that point while the previous one is just standing still he will just spawn really close to him or even push him a bit (3:39). However, a rare interaction that has happened to me a couple of times is that basically I spawned the same way as Winston spawned on Tracer on that minute, but instead of pushing the other hero we just sort of mixed together or something, and we were both inside each other, moving really really slowly backwards both at the same time while still being one inside of the other. The weird interaction didnt cause any problem and was fixed when any of us moved, but I found it curious and by seeing the information you gave on the video I have no idea of what could be its cause or to what extend could it be abused (maybe if we moved both at the same time we could have kept on that mixed double character state(?)). It would be nice if you could investigate it and maybe explain it in other video. In case this could be helpful, the few instances I remember this occuring to me where on old control maps such as Nepal, Ilios or Lijiang (I don't really remember which of those)
I didn't think I would watch a 16 minutes video about OW spawning. Very interesting Marblr and I didn't know about your marble game ! Great return
i’m really impressed at how much work you put into this video. new subscriber, keep up the good work. you have to be very smart to research all of this. 🙂
I didn't know you worked on Marble It Up! That's so cool! Love that game lots
Glad 2 see you back, keep up with the good content!!
my goodness i love this video so much. the attention to the details are insain!
Its nice to have you back! I was worried blizzard sent you to a farm upstate because you made a video on portal and not overwatch
Appreciate the editing getting better and better every video.
If I could like a video twice...
Welcome back Marblr, never change.
I can’t believe you’re the person who’s making marble it up. I’ve seen it over the years and was introduced to the game by simpleflips, never would have made the connection that you made it. Keep up the good work big guy!
This is exactly the kind of investigation I find very interesting to watch. Appriciate your video!
"GG, got spawn X... Match is basically lost!"
i cant blieve ur the guy who made marble it up, i found that ganme for like a dollar when it forst came out and i didnt even know it still got updates!!! im glad ytoure doing well thank you so much :)
That break in character at the end has me dying lmao good video
I thought this channel was dormant, glad you're still gameing 💪🏽
welcome back Marblr!!! glad to see you back :) it's funny cuz i never thought that you would be behind marble it up ultra but it does make a lot of sense now that i think about it.. 🤔
WOW YOU WORKED ON MARBLE IT UP ULTRA!????? The original Marble Blast Ultra is one of my favorite games of all time and I LOVE Marble It Up!!! You did an amazing job!!!!!
Watching a video about Overwatch (a game that I don't really care about) and being told that you're a Marble It Up dev (a game that I love) hit me like a sack of bricks.