how about the crank arm length? it doesn't change? took me a lot of trial and error and only after a pro fitter suggested that i use a 145mm only then I felt the comfort and power output that I wanted after a long time. There are a lot of adults who are small, 5ft or even smaller. hope the bike community would extend the possible options for the minority like us.
This looks amazing but the reality of buying a bike just now (I just did) is that 1 there is no choice because virtually nothing is available until 2022 and 2 even good bike shops are struggling to provide any service as they are so flat out trying to cope with demand for sales and repairs. And they want you out of the shop ASAP in case you have COVID 🙁 Reminds me a bit of when I bought a new golf driver a few years ago and they had all this amazing gear but the guy just looked at me, got me to hit a ball then handed me the standard size model and said “that’ll do” 😃
We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.
Ollie's "you don't have to mess about with allen keys" followed by someone using an allen key on the system, is nearly a Dan Lloyd "no vehicles" as a tractor drives past moment.
We all knew that Manon was practically perfect in every way, just like Mary Poppins. But I really want to see Ollie's results. It's fun to take a poke at Ollie, but when you look at his power output, experience, and bike-buying budget, he really does represent a very high end recreational rider/racer.
I think you can guess who i've been watching but i definitely feel the "Fit first, buy later" philosophy is absolutely the way forward. I've been fettling with my position for years now and i know what range i'm comfortable and functional in, and those figures do not line up with recommended figures from bike shops/manufacturers - being 1 or 2 sizes too big, which seems to be somewhat of a pattern for people in general
The first person I thought of when watching this! I trust someone's experience, knowledge and skill combined with tech far more than just tech frankly.
I’m only four and a half minutes in and finding this fascinating. I had a bike fit recently ahead of buying a new bike and it’s improved my riding position immensely. Would highly recommend it.
Such fun information. I actually got fitted for a bike before buying. And my fitter suggested the bike for me. I am amateur in every way, but no pain, strain or diacomfort.
Raleigh had a similar thing in the 1970s. The "Customsizer" was a fitting machine that was distributed to dealers and worked on much the same basic principle.
@@alynlambert4855 It's not quite what he is saying though. He means more along the lines of measure twice cut once instead of constantly screwing and unscrewing to make adjustments
Really cool to see how tech keeps helping bike set up. It's such a complex topic, and as you said, every fitter interprets numbers differently. Hopefully this will solve that issue. Thumbs up for the video; it shows how the systems is very user friendly. Congrats to Manon on her Bday. Keep up the good work.
As a physiotherapist I find this very interesting (man vs machine). I think Manon should fix that shoulder (its one sided pain so could be a result of an injury opposed to bilateral) instead of adapting her bike fit around the shoulder (no bias at all). Love the idea of trying to standardize things but I wonder what the computer is considering optimal (comfort, speed, pelvic tilt angle, etc). Nice video!
Awesome! If money was no issue, I'd like the fit before the bike. However, since it is I'm left with fewer affordable options and twiddling with the fit after.
@@idmatch I'm in the US, San Francisco ( Bay Area) is an amazing bicycle hub and culture. I would love to have your fitting system in my shop! How can aquire that please?
What a great idea. Best way to shop for a new bike. I have a good fit on my Diamonback, but a lot of it was trial and error so as stuff hurt I googled it and figured out the adjustment. They need to make it easy to find.
I had a bike fit on this system 2 years ago when I bought my road bike at my bikeshop in Como, Italy. It's a nice system. Not sure it can replace an experienced bike fitter though, but it definitely get's you in a really good position, really quick...
Does anybody have this equipment apart from Selle Italia Head office? How much does a 45 min bike fit cost? Is it available yet to regular cyclists, not just pros? ............. Just a few questions that need answering :)
@@Drip-Soup373 Today in my ride I saw in a store a Cannondale Super Six Evo for $707 per month for 12 months. It is worth more than my 2012 Volvo S60 T4!
What I like most about this going forward is it will work in reverse too, changing the geometry of how we make bikes, to better fit our actual needs more closely.
TBF thats why getting a bike fit first and custom bike made to measure is the best option if you're happy with a beautiful modern steel or titanium frame.
@@bukarin true! I meant more that if this takes off, manufactures will have a large data base of our different shapes and sizes. Casual and pro, and maybe that could make frame design even better.
Small issue there: most folk (even the pro tour riders) spend the majority of a ride on the hoods not the drops. So does a bike fit jig that measures you only in the drops miss anything vital?
No. If you can find yourself at home in the drops, you will certainly be comfortable on the hoods. On the contrary, people may find the hoods nice. But they can’t go down in the drops. That’s actually a problem.
great video can't think why nobody before has made a bike fitting rig that can be adjusted remotely whilst you are cycling ... Loved seeing Manon try to keep pedaling whilst you extended all the settings to max and minimum ...hilarious. I have big feet and therefore have a larger than average ankle to plate foot pivot motion than most cyclists but that is never really taken into account in traditional bike fitting . I have to elongate plate adjusting slots to get the ball of my foot over the axle and extend my saddle height also to compensate for the extra length
Since I have bought a Ti hardtail 29er, and a Ti gravel bike this year to add to my 2 year old Roubaix I don’t think I will be using this system before I buy a bike any time soon...... it might be useful for checking my setup though.
The ability to seamlessly adjust the position of the handlebars and saddle is amazing. Although there is a lot of science behind bike fitting, personal feel on the bike is still important which is probably quite optimized on this. Would definitely love to try this out.
Just found and watched this video last night (1.28.22). Fully intrigued. Only "Lab" in US is near Dallas Tx, 1000 miles from my home state of Wisconsin. ..........Appointment scheduled for April 20th...!! 😁😁
That is a great machine, showing different settings for different kinds of cycling. It lets cyclist compare the different 'styles' for different situations. They can experience what the position changes do and inform them what they have to do to their body to make the bike body union better. Its missing one setting most of my customers seem to want, riding while they are seated on their living room couch.
One thing you could elaborate in future episode is the criterium(s) for the fit that are available. What we could see on the screen is selection by a discipline and maybe there is "aggressive" dial within the discipline because you spoke of it during Manon's fit ... It would be really valuable if other criterium then maximum performance is available (ex. comfort, endurance,...).
To answer Ollie’s question, I believe in both. Fit first, buy later. Then fit again. ..Once I feel too comfortable (I feel like I am ready to go more aggressive), then I’ll pay the fitter another visit.
#GCNTech Having purchased a previous model Canyon Aeroad I've since had to get a bike fit and purchase after market parts to make it fit. Would have loved this system to ensure my 5K was for a bike that fit!
The closest one to me (GR Michigan, USA) is Oklahoma USA... that's "only" about 1,000 miles away. Might have to wait a little bit for a dealership to pop up a little bit closer.
"Proper cool" indeed. Love the banter between Ollie & Manon - fantastic presenter style. Question - does the machine assess power output in the different positions or does it just adjust positions according to some predetermined algorithm? Seems to me optimising for power output should be the primary focus.
Back in the Wild West of the USA the wagon driver held the reins and the front seat passenger held the shotgun. Riding shotgun refers to the front seat passenger.
That’s amazing I would definitely get that bike for first before I buy my next bike all my bikes have been bought then made to fit with different stems and cranks and bits
@@GCNuser123 haha. In Malaysia? Now now Ollie!! It’s not real and only available at exclusive locations and at non-attainable cost. It’s elitist at best. It won’t be available to the vast majority of your audience at a sensible cost for an eon.
@@nigelstanley3674 shame, it’s certainly available in quite a few european bike shops at what you would expect to pay for a bike fit in this part of the world. i’m sure it will make it’s way over there 👍🏼
@@GCNuser123 we are a bit behind the times here Ollie. Cheap and budget rules so the many can cycle. Theres been an explosion of cycling since lockdown etc which is just brilliant to see. Hopefully that Spurs spending on cycle lanes and then a greater desire for the more premium end of the industry which might spur investment in technologically advanced bike fitting etc. For now we will have to do with the adjustable wrenches and Allen keys!! Thanks for the response. Keep the excellent content coming - always entertaining and informative.
Yeah definitely a fatal flaw that it doesn't use saddle pressure mapping or even more innovative: computes pressure through the foot to, among other things, determine arch support
@@yannickokpara4861 its not really flaws per se, but its more philosophy of selle italia’s bike fitting system. There is no such thing as perfect fit kit but how the fitter uses that system and technology that matters. Are you both willing to pay for this on top of pressure maps on the saddle and foot for say 750usd plus not including costs of custom insoles, shoes that suits you plus other parts including saddle, handlebars, stem length, pedal system etc? If you factor all that in, thats nearly costs of a new bike with 105 groupset.
@@PhiyackYuh It doesn't cost that much. There are fitters already with 3d capturing + their expertise + pressure mapping in the normal range of 3-400usd that is a bikefit of around 3hours. Custom insoles are not necessarily necessary. Firstly a generic low-high arc insole might suit you or a customizeable insole like the G8 suffices. It is part of the fitting process that the fitter has such things available for trial during it. As per the video saddles are already being pushed and isn't uncommon already to change in a bikefit. So is stem length and handlebars due to the standardised equipment in almost all sizes up until today where that is becoming - a bit more - catering to the sizes of people who use those sizes of frames. Sure it will cost you as much as a new bike with 105 groupset if you insist on carbon aero integrated proprietary everything, speedplay nanogram etc but aside from that it is not a very costly affair and if it is maybe you should reconsider your choice of bike in relation to what you are willing to spend on getting the position right so you can enjoy cycling. That after all looks much cooler than bling parts.
@@PhiyackYuh I would say that it's a flaw based on it being a process whereby you are, in approximately 45min, suggested a position and a bike that you can then just 'get along' with. If the system can't pinpoint discomfort then I don't see how it will ever be superior to a standard 3hr personalized fit and actually truly know which adjustment is the correct/optimal to make for the individual in their situation. I for one can be as stable as ever in a position that is painful for longer time in a different handlebar position or just for longer full-stop or just only become instable when my body becomes too tired to deal with the immense instability of the position. That is not something the system captures. It seems to completely neglect adaption. It better be cheap lol. You'd have to come back idk how often if it veers drastically from your baseline.
Great system and similar to the Guru bike fit set up, Sella Italia need to put a pair of brake lever hoods on the bars as that's where most people ride.
I’d definitely do it before as I’ve never bought a new bike I’ve always bought used bikes and guessed the size. Would be nice to know what a bike is supposed to feel like as apposed to dealing with the mistakes and lack of knowledge on my part
This is an evolution of the Guru Dynamic bike fit unit. It's a great idea to have a system for riders to discover what bikes will fit them best rather than buy a bike they like to look of and not be able to get a good fit on it. Over a decade in the bike industry has taught me that people usually want whats pretty.
Would be happy to have that option to fit optimally for new bike. Worth paying for too. Price - if available - should be in your comment to the video. One comment below suggests 400 USD. That's too much for most people for sure.
I'm exactly the same size and weight as Manon, and my recommendations are pretty much the same in terms of frame size. While my bike fit is perfect for a long day in the saddle, it was only made for road use, I find that I can't easily get a good TT position just by putting clip-on aerobars. Also I'm very surprised it would recommend an XXS size frame to Manon for the Canyon because it's likely that the stem will be quite long already, not leaving a lot of room for adjustability, not to mention toe overlap which is a pain on smaller size frames. I guess it has to do with stack height. Curious to see what it has to say about Ollie's TT fit. Interesting video nonetheless!
Well I actually done my fit on this idmatch system earlier this year and I didn't like it at all still having some trouble with pain points I'll probably just do another one with a Retul fitter.
The fitter's experience is more important than the platform he/she uses to fit you. Don't be blinded by lasers and computers to solve your own individual functional alignment. Find someone who sees you as an individual with unique issues and wants to help you not just take your money and hope it works.
I welcome this, because data and automation is the way forward. Not saying this is in any way perfect, but the current system is terrible. Most of us end up on a frame that’s too big for us, and bike fitting can be a bit of a lottery to what you get and how far you’re able to travel etc. I would be interested to know if the machine has a function to enable the rider to “self select” their position dynamically while riding, ultimately we will all gravitate to a position we feel comfortable in.
Would you use this to help influence your bike set up? Let us know 👇
If I had access to it, I would! But still go to a pro. fitter as well to make sure
how about the crank arm length? it doesn't change? took me a lot of trial and error and only after a pro fitter suggested that i use a 145mm only then I felt the comfort and power output that I wanted after a long time. There are a lot of adults who are small, 5ft or even smaller. hope the bike community would extend the possible options for the minority like us.
@@roivalenton5962 recumbent riders know about this and love shortened cranks, more aero
I don't want a bike fit...I just want to sit on that machine and perform the dynamic controls🤩🤩
This looks amazing but the reality of buying a bike just now (I just did) is that 1 there is no choice because virtually nothing is available until 2022 and 2 even good bike shops are struggling to provide any service as they are so flat out trying to cope with demand for sales and repairs. And they want you out of the shop ASAP in case you have COVID 🙁 Reminds me a bit of when I bought a new golf driver a few years ago and they had all this amazing gear but the guy just looked at me, got me to hit a ball then handed me the standard size model and said “that’ll do” 😃
We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.
Fit first buy later sounds like a great proposition. Could prevent an expensive mistake.
For sure!
and if you had looked at a few bikes roughly your seize then maybe it could be used for determining which one was best for you
yeah but think of how many people who walk into shops who aren't ready to buy.. fits need to be paid first, then bike later.
Ollie's "you don't have to mess about with allen keys" followed by someone using an allen key on the system, is nearly a Dan Lloyd "no vehicles" as a tractor drives past moment.
Manon’s face when Ollie says “there’s a manual mode.” Priceless!
Wait till he engages Symbian mode
he should have raised the saddle as high as possible and dropped the handlebars as low as possible :D really stretch her out
I tried this out a couple of years ago when it was demoed at the NEC bike show. It was brilliant.
That's cool! Glad to hear it!
We all knew that Manon was practically perfect in every way, just like Mary Poppins. But I really want to see Ollie's results. It's fun to take a poke at Ollie, but when you look at his power output, experience, and bike-buying budget, he really does represent a very high end recreational rider/racer.
I think you can guess who i've been watching but i definitely feel the "Fit first, buy later" philosophy is absolutely the way forward.
I've been fettling with my position for years now and i know what range i'm comfortable and functional in, and those figures do not line up with recommended figures from bike shops/manufacturers - being 1 or 2 sizes too big, which seems to be somewhat of a pattern for people in general
Is it definitely not Tuesday, but still somehow Tuesday?
The guy you are referring to is definitely a wizard. Rather than pay $400 for a chimp to use this machine on me, I think I'd just go to his shop...
The first person I thought of when watching this! I trust someone's experience, knowledge and skill combined with tech far more than just tech frankly.
@@cocorocks88 yeah. It’s the interpretation of why these measurements are this way that I want most.
I’m only four and a half minutes in and finding this fascinating. I had a bike fit recently ahead of buying a new bike and it’s improved my riding position immensely. Would highly recommend it.
Such fun information. I actually got fitted for a bike before buying. And my fitter suggested the bike for me. I am amateur in every way, but no pain, strain or diacomfort.
For me who is just trying to get back into cycling. This system would be perfect. Especially when choosing a great option for a bike.
Raleigh had a similar thing in the 1970s. The "Customsizer" was a fitting machine that was distributed to dealers and worked on much the same basic principle.
11:30 “this system doesn’t need those pesky allen keys”. 11:50 allen key needed to swap saddle.
HA, spotted that too.
@@alynlambert4855 It's not quite what he is saying though. He means more along the lines of measure twice cut once instead of constantly screwing and unscrewing to make adjustments
4:57 that smirk lmao
Really cool to see how tech keeps helping bike set up. It's such a complex topic, and as you said, every fitter interprets numbers differently. Hopefully this will solve that issue. Thumbs up for the video; it shows how the systems is very user friendly. Congrats to Manon on her Bday. Keep up the good work.
13:05 got a Bogey in my sights; cameraman smoothly adjusts
Great piece of kit. Can't help to think how many bike shops could afford this.
One of the coolest creations in world of cycling. Thanks GCN. 😍
As a physiotherapist I find this very interesting (man vs machine). I think Manon should fix that shoulder (its one sided pain so could be a result of an injury opposed to bilateral) instead of adapting her bike fit around the shoulder (no bias at all). Love the idea of trying to standardize things but I wonder what the computer is considering optimal (comfort, speed, pelvic tilt angle, etc). Nice video!
Probably power output
Manon: "I'm perfect."
There's a reason I'm binge-watching you right now but you don't have to rub it in my face.
Awesome! If money was no issue, I'd like the fit before the bike. However, since it is I'm left with fewer affordable options and twiddling with the fit after.
Slowly am beginning to LOVE MANON, I LOVE HER VOICE TOO...
did you see that huge engagement ring? I think everyone subscribed is in love with her already anyway ;)
I would absolutely use this. I will follow its development and public acceptance. Hope to see this in the US! Great episode.
@@idmatch I'm in the US, San Francisco ( Bay Area) is an amazing bicycle hub and culture. I would love to have your fitting system in my shop! How can aquire that please?
Is there a “chimney size” option? I would definitely use this pre-bike purchase 😎
This is so exciting because
you KNOW how massive fit is for comfort and output
What a great idea. Best way to shop for a new bike. I have a good fit on my Diamonback, but a lot of it was trial and error so as stuff hurt I googled it and figured out the adjustment. They need to make it easy to find.
I had a bike fit on this system 2 years ago when I bought my road bike at my bikeshop in Como, Italy. It's a nice system. Not sure it can replace an experienced bike fitter though, but it definitely get's you in a really good position, really quick...
Does anybody have this equipment apart from Selle Italia Head office? How much does a 45 min bike fit cost? Is it available yet to regular cyclists, not just pros? ............. Just a few questions that need answering :)
imagine if it costs more to fit than a bike
The answer to one of your questions is in the video 😉
400 Usd,,,,,,, non sense,,,, it was the same measurements that are one my Derosa bike ,,, 1 mm. Apart....
@@Drip-Soup373 Today in my ride I saw in a store a Cannondale Super Six Evo for $707 per month for 12 months. It is worth more than my 2012 Volvo S60 T4!
194$ in Poland
Manon trying not smirk when Ollie said 'bend over' was it for me...
This is one the most interesting and hilarious GCN videos to date. Keep up the great work!
Perfect bikefit without shifters
Track bikes only ...
What I like most about this going forward is it will work in reverse too, changing the geometry of how we make bikes, to better fit our actual needs more closely.
TBF thats why getting a bike fit first and custom bike made to measure is the best option if you're happy with a beautiful modern steel or titanium frame.
@@bukarin true! I meant more that if this takes off, manufactures will have a large data base of our different shapes and sizes. Casual and pro, and maybe that could make frame design even better.
This is a better way to go.This way you dont make a geometry mistake in frame vs flexibility vs style of ride.
very smart using manon as model, i reckon this saved 80% of the people finishing the video
also: LASERS
in conclusion, is manon is perfect
The revelation absolutely no GCN viewer needed
@@conorverbruggen5133 it was pretty obvious from the start lmfao
This WAY too cool, would love to get fitted using this. CHEERS!!
Small issue there: most folk (even the pro tour riders) spend the majority of a ride on the hoods not the drops. So does a bike fit jig that measures you only in the drops miss anything vital?
No. If you can find yourself at home in the drops, you will certainly be comfortable on the hoods.
On the contrary, people may find the hoods nice. But they can’t go down in the drops. That’s actually a problem.
Wow! Simply wow! My only fit experience was with good old retul, and this could make life way easier!!
Even as promoted video, this is an amazing machine. Thank you
Can we get a list/map where in the world they are installed?
This technology is revolutionary no more guess work measurements. Would love to try this before i purchase a new bike.
great video can't think why nobody before has made a bike fitting rig that can be adjusted remotely whilst you are cycling ...
Loved seeing Manon try to keep pedaling whilst you extended all the settings to max and minimum ...hilarious.
I have big feet and therefore have a larger than average ankle to plate foot pivot motion than most cyclists but that is never really taken into account in traditional bike fitting . I have to elongate plate adjusting slots to get the ball of my foot over the axle and extend my saddle height also to compensate for the extra length
You kids are having too much fun!
And I’m suffering here, whether I should be 75, or 75.4cm 😡😤
😊
Since I have bought a Ti hardtail 29er, and a Ti gravel bike this year to add to my 2 year old Roubaix I don’t think I will be using this system before I buy a bike any time soon...... it might be useful for checking my setup though.
Im 5’9 an i ride a 1985 cannondale sr300 56cm the way the previous owner had it setup was the perfect even the seat height
The ability to seamlessly adjust the position of the handlebars and saddle is amazing. Although there is a lot of science behind bike fitting, personal feel on the bike is still important which is probably quite optimized on this. Would definitely love to try this out.
Just found and watched this video last night (1.28.22). Fully intrigued. Only "Lab" in US is near Dallas Tx, 1000 miles from my home state of Wisconsin. ..........Appointment scheduled for April 20th...!! 😁😁
Love the concept, doesn't look like it is in the US really. challenge will be it reduces the time but increases the cost of the fit.
Need more of these in the US!
Very impressive....I am so envious....I so wish I could be fitted on one of these.
very good ! ! ! well done both of you
That is a great machine, showing different settings for different kinds of cycling. It lets cyclist compare the different 'styles' for different situations. They can experience what the position changes do and inform them what they have to do to their body to make the bike body union better. Its missing one setting most of my customers seem to want, riding while they are seated on their living room couch.
sounds great, and will be a great help when planing to buý a new bike.
Good tech, well presented guys! Very sensible methodology behind it. Oh, and HBD for the 5th M.L.
Is there going to be a fit video for Ollie to see how perfect he is?
my man is asking the real question
There’s actual use for the Kinect?
Our team developed a system converting English sign language into words using a Kinect.
Looks like the team are in Italy, stay safe, have fun.
I’ve had this done a month or two ago to determine the best frame size for me! New bike being delivered in January :)
One thing you could elaborate in future episode is the criterium(s) for the fit that are available. What we could see on the screen is selection by a discipline and maybe there is "aggressive" dial within the discipline because you spoke of it during Manon's fit ... It would be really valuable if other criterium then maximum performance is available (ex. comfort, endurance,...).
I like it I would do this before buying my next bike.
Im just excited to finally know what Manons measurements are. Now the production of Manon robots can begin.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_Science_(film)
"It has lasers." Have we ever seen Ollie so happy?
before ... absolutely before buying the bike... this is absolutely tremendous
To answer Ollie’s question, I believe in both.
Fit first, buy later. Then fit again.
..Once I feel too comfortable (I feel like I am ready to go more aggressive), then I’ll pay the fitter another visit.
OMFG the cleat install lasers
Great idea. I would definitely try this before my next bike buy!
Awesome video, but why doesn’t t the bike have hoods ?
#GCNTech Having purchased a previous model Canyon Aeroad I've since had to get a bike fit and purchase after market parts to make it fit. Would have loved this system to ensure my 5K was for a bike that fit!
How far off was canyons recomendation to your bike fit result?
The closest one to me (GR Michigan, USA) is Oklahoma USA... that's "only" about 1,000 miles away. Might have to wait a little bit for a dealership to pop up a little bit closer.
"Proper cool" indeed. Love the banter between Ollie & Manon - fantastic presenter style. Question - does the machine assess power output in the different positions or does it just adjust positions according to some predetermined algorithm? Seems to me optimising for power output should be the primary focus.
Shes the best thing thats happened to GCN
Back in the Wild West of the USA the wagon driver held the reins and the front seat passenger held the shotgun. Riding shotgun refers to the front seat passenger.
Actually we have had this for years with GURU fitting.
I see Manon, i click.
Happy birthday Manon!
That’s amazing I would definitely get that bike for first before I buy my next bike all my bikes have been bought then made to fit with different stems and cranks and bits
Great info, great attitude, congratulations
Cheers from NYC
Great video. I love watching the two of you together!
Excellent vid. And ‘if only’ it was available to us mortals!
it is!!!
@@GCNuser123 haha. In Malaysia? Now now Ollie!! It’s not real and only available at exclusive locations and at non-attainable cost. It’s elitist at best. It won’t be available to the vast majority of your audience at a sensible cost for an eon.
@@nigelstanley3674 shame, it’s certainly available in quite a few european bike shops at what you would expect to pay for a bike fit in this part of the world. i’m sure it will make it’s way over there 👍🏼
@@GCNuser123 we are a bit behind the times here Ollie. Cheap and budget rules so the many can cycle. Theres been an explosion of cycling since lockdown etc which is just brilliant to see. Hopefully that Spurs spending on cycle lanes and then a greater desire for the more premium end of the industry which might spur investment in technologically advanced bike fitting etc. For now we will have to do with the adjustable wrenches and Allen keys!! Thanks for the response. Keep the excellent content coming - always entertaining and informative.
Really like the idea of being assessed with this system as I have some fairly severe spine issues.
that's some cutting edge technology right there
There should be pressure sensors all through out the body as well to identify pain points.
Yeah definitely a fatal flaw that it doesn't use saddle pressure mapping or even more innovative: computes pressure through the foot to, among other things, determine arch support
@@yannickokpara4861 its not really flaws per se, but its more philosophy of selle italia’s bike fitting system. There is no such thing as perfect fit kit but how the fitter uses that system and technology that matters. Are you both willing to pay for this on top of pressure maps on the saddle and foot for say 750usd plus not including costs of custom insoles, shoes that suits you plus other parts including saddle, handlebars, stem length, pedal system etc? If you factor all that in, thats nearly costs of a new bike with 105 groupset.
@@PhiyackYuh It doesn't cost that much. There are fitters already with 3d capturing + their expertise + pressure mapping in the normal range of 3-400usd that is a bikefit of around 3hours. Custom insoles are not necessarily necessary. Firstly a generic low-high arc insole might suit you or a customizeable insole like the G8 suffices. It is part of the fitting process that the fitter has such things available for trial during it. As per the video saddles are already being pushed and isn't uncommon already to change in a bikefit. So is stem length and handlebars due to the standardised equipment in almost all sizes up until today where that is becoming - a bit more - catering to the sizes of people who use those sizes of frames. Sure it will cost you as much as a new bike with 105 groupset if you insist on carbon aero integrated proprietary everything, speedplay nanogram etc but aside from that it is not a very costly affair and if it is maybe you should reconsider your choice of bike in relation to what you are willing to spend on getting the position right so you can enjoy cycling. That after all looks much cooler than bling parts.
@@PhiyackYuh I would say that it's a flaw based on it being a process whereby you are, in approximately 45min, suggested a position and a bike that you can then just 'get along' with. If the system can't pinpoint discomfort then I don't see how it will ever be superior to a standard 3hr personalized fit and actually truly know which adjustment is the correct/optimal to make for the individual in their situation. I for one can be as stable as ever in a position that is painful for longer time in a different handlebar position or just for longer full-stop or just only become instable when my body becomes too tired to deal with the immense instability of the position. That is not something the system captures. It seems to completely neglect adaption. It better be cheap lol. You'd have to come back idk how often if it veers drastically from your baseline.
Awesome enjoyed that thanks. 👍
Great system and similar to the Guru bike fit set up, Sella Italia need to put a pair of brake lever hoods on the bars as that's where most people ride.
I’d definitely do it before as I’ve never bought a new bike I’ve always bought used bikes and guessed the size. Would be nice to know what a bike is supposed to feel like as apposed to dealing with the mistakes and lack of knowledge on my part
This is an evolution of the Guru Dynamic bike fit unit. It's a great idea to have a system for riders to discover what bikes will fit them best rather than buy a bike they like to look of and not be able to get a good fit on it. Over a decade in the bike industry has taught me that people usually want whats pretty.
I think the smart way to do it is get a bike fit, whether its with this or retul. Knowing measurements in key locations will save you down the road.
Would be happy to have that option to fit optimally for new bike. Worth paying for too. Price - if available - should be in your comment to the video. One comment below suggests 400 USD. That's too much for most people for sure.
Manon and Oli are the best presenters couple!
I'm exactly the same size and weight as Manon, and my recommendations are pretty much the same in terms of frame size. While my bike fit is perfect for a long day in the saddle, it was only made for road use, I find that I can't easily get a good TT position just by putting clip-on aerobars. Also I'm very surprised it would recommend an XXS size frame to Manon for the Canyon because it's likely that the stem will be quite long already, not leaving a lot of room for adjustability, not to mention toe overlap which is a pain on smaller size frames. I guess it has to do with stack height. Curious to see what it has to say about Ollie's TT fit. Interesting video nonetheless!
Big data is always a good watch. Thanks for this one.
Looks pretty awesome. Great video guys.
Well I actually done my fit on this idmatch system earlier this year and I didn't like it at all still having some trouble with pain points I'll probably just do another one with a Retul fitter.
The fitter's experience is more important than the platform he/she uses to fit you. Don't be blinded by lasers and computers to solve your own individual functional alignment. Find someone who sees you as an individual with unique issues and wants to help you not just take your money and hope it works.
I welcome this, because data and automation is the way forward. Not saying this is in any way perfect, but the current system is terrible. Most of us end up on a frame that’s too big for us, and bike fitting can be a bit of a lottery to what you get and how far you’re able to travel etc.
I would be interested to know if the machine has a function to enable the rider to “self select” their position dynamically while riding, ultimately we will all gravitate to a position we feel comfortable in.
This is awesome, I need this in the us soon 👍🚴🏻
I would love to work with them to develop this system! That would be very cool!
Happy belated Birthday Mannon!
Definitely before buying next bike
i'd love to do a fit like this one. I had so many injuries in my life due to improper fit in different sports u.u
Super helpful video.
Hoods would be a nice add.