how about the crank arm length? it doesn't change? took me a lot of trial and error and only after a pro fitter suggested that i use a 145mm only then I felt the comfort and power output that I wanted after a long time. There are a lot of adults who are small, 5ft or even smaller. hope the bike community would extend the possible options for the minority like us.
This looks amazing but the reality of buying a bike just now (I just did) is that 1 there is no choice because virtually nothing is available until 2022 and 2 even good bike shops are struggling to provide any service as they are so flat out trying to cope with demand for sales and repairs. And they want you out of the shop ASAP in case you have COVID 🙁 Reminds me a bit of when I bought a new golf driver a few years ago and they had all this amazing gear but the guy just looked at me, got me to hit a ball then handed me the standard size model and said “that’ll do” 😃
We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.
We all knew that Manon was practically perfect in every way, just like Mary Poppins. But I really want to see Ollie's results. It's fun to take a poke at Ollie, but when you look at his power output, experience, and bike-buying budget, he really does represent a very high end recreational rider/racer.
Ollie's "you don't have to mess about with allen keys" followed by someone using an allen key on the system, is nearly a Dan Lloyd "no vehicles" as a tractor drives past moment.
I think you can guess who i've been watching but i definitely feel the "Fit first, buy later" philosophy is absolutely the way forward. I've been fettling with my position for years now and i know what range i'm comfortable and functional in, and those figures do not line up with recommended figures from bike shops/manufacturers - being 1 or 2 sizes too big, which seems to be somewhat of a pattern for people in general
The first person I thought of when watching this! I trust someone's experience, knowledge and skill combined with tech far more than just tech frankly.
I’m only four and a half minutes in and finding this fascinating. I had a bike fit recently ahead of buying a new bike and it’s improved my riding position immensely. Would highly recommend it.
Raleigh had a similar thing in the 1970s. The "Customsizer" was a fitting machine that was distributed to dealers and worked on much the same basic principle.
Such fun information. I actually got fitted for a bike before buying. And my fitter suggested the bike for me. I am amateur in every way, but no pain, strain or diacomfort.
As a physiotherapist I find this very interesting (man vs machine). I think Manon should fix that shoulder (its one sided pain so could be a result of an injury opposed to bilateral) instead of adapting her bike fit around the shoulder (no bias at all). Love the idea of trying to standardize things but I wonder what the computer is considering optimal (comfort, speed, pelvic tilt angle, etc). Nice video!
@@alynlambert4855 It's not quite what he is saying though. He means more along the lines of measure twice cut once instead of constantly screwing and unscrewing to make adjustments
Really cool to see how tech keeps helping bike set up. It's such a complex topic, and as you said, every fitter interprets numbers differently. Hopefully this will solve that issue. Thumbs up for the video; it shows how the systems is very user friendly. Congrats to Manon on her Bday. Keep up the good work.
What I like most about this going forward is it will work in reverse too, changing the geometry of how we make bikes, to better fit our actual needs more closely.
TBF thats why getting a bike fit first and custom bike made to measure is the best option if you're happy with a beautiful modern steel or titanium frame.
@@bukarin true! I meant more that if this takes off, manufactures will have a large data base of our different shapes and sizes. Casual and pro, and maybe that could make frame design even better.
To answer Ollie’s question, I believe in both. Fit first, buy later. Then fit again. ..Once I feel too comfortable (I feel like I am ready to go more aggressive), then I’ll pay the fitter another visit.
Does anybody have this equipment apart from Selle Italia Head office? How much does a 45 min bike fit cost? Is it available yet to regular cyclists, not just pros? ............. Just a few questions that need answering :)
@@Drip-Soup373 Today in my ride I saw in a store a Cannondale Super Six Evo for $707 per month for 12 months. It is worth more than my 2012 Volvo S60 T4!
I had a bike fit on this system 2 years ago when I bought my road bike at my bikeshop in Como, Italy. It's a nice system. Not sure it can replace an experienced bike fitter though, but it definitely get's you in a really good position, really quick...
Awesome! If money was no issue, I'd like the fit before the bike. However, since it is I'm left with fewer affordable options and twiddling with the fit after.
What a great idea. Best way to shop for a new bike. I have a good fit on my Diamonback, but a lot of it was trial and error so as stuff hurt I googled it and figured out the adjustment. They need to make it easy to find.
This is an evolution of the Guru Dynamic bike fit unit. It's a great idea to have a system for riders to discover what bikes will fit them best rather than buy a bike they like to look of and not be able to get a good fit on it. Over a decade in the bike industry has taught me that people usually want whats pretty.
@@idmatch I'm in the US, San Francisco ( Bay Area) is an amazing bicycle hub and culture. I would love to have your fitting system in my shop! How can aquire that please?
Small issue there: most folk (even the pro tour riders) spend the majority of a ride on the hoods not the drops. So does a bike fit jig that measures you only in the drops miss anything vital?
No. If you can find yourself at home in the drops, you will certainly be comfortable on the hoods. On the contrary, people may find the hoods nice. But they can’t go down in the drops. That’s actually a problem.
great video can't think why nobody before has made a bike fitting rig that can be adjusted remotely whilst you are cycling ... Loved seeing Manon try to keep pedaling whilst you extended all the settings to max and minimum ...hilarious. I have big feet and therefore have a larger than average ankle to plate foot pivot motion than most cyclists but that is never really taken into account in traditional bike fitting . I have to elongate plate adjusting slots to get the ball of my foot over the axle and extend my saddle height also to compensate for the extra length
Back in the Wild West of the USA the wagon driver held the reins and the front seat passenger held the shotgun. Riding shotgun refers to the front seat passenger.
The ability to seamlessly adjust the position of the handlebars and saddle is amazing. Although there is a lot of science behind bike fitting, personal feel on the bike is still important which is probably quite optimized on this. Would definitely love to try this out.
Since I have bought a Ti hardtail 29er, and a Ti gravel bike this year to add to my 2 year old Roubaix I don’t think I will be using this system before I buy a bike any time soon...... it might be useful for checking my setup though.
That is a great machine, showing different settings for different kinds of cycling. It lets cyclist compare the different 'styles' for different situations. They can experience what the position changes do and inform them what they have to do to their body to make the bike body union better. Its missing one setting most of my customers seem to want, riding while they are seated on their living room couch.
Just found and watched this video last night (1.28.22). Fully intrigued. Only "Lab" in US is near Dallas Tx, 1000 miles from my home state of Wisconsin. ..........Appointment scheduled for April 20th...!! 😁😁
If one is planning on investing significant money on a bike, it absolutely makes sense to fit first and buy later. I was totally smitten by the BMC Teammachine , but given my age and more limited flexibility, fitting the bike proved to be a nightmare. The very aggressive position just could not be mitigated to allow more than a 2 hour tops ride. Finally the LBS fitter suggested a more relaxed Specialized Roubaix. Almost 10K miles later I can ride that bike all day and not feel like I've been through torture. If the fit and recommendation were done before selection, I could have been paired with a bike best suited to my riding capabilities
One thing you could elaborate in future episode is the criterium(s) for the fit that are available. What we could see on the screen is selection by a discipline and maybe there is "aggressive" dial within the discipline because you spoke of it during Manon's fit ... It would be really valuable if other criterium then maximum performance is available (ex. comfort, endurance,...).
Would be happy to have that option to fit optimally for new bike. Worth paying for too. Price - if available - should be in your comment to the video. One comment below suggests 400 USD. That's too much for most people for sure.
Yeah definitely a fatal flaw that it doesn't use saddle pressure mapping or even more innovative: computes pressure through the foot to, among other things, determine arch support
@@yannickokpara4861 its not really flaws per se, but its more philosophy of selle italia’s bike fitting system. There is no such thing as perfect fit kit but how the fitter uses that system and technology that matters. Are you both willing to pay for this on top of pressure maps on the saddle and foot for say 750usd plus not including costs of custom insoles, shoes that suits you plus other parts including saddle, handlebars, stem length, pedal system etc? If you factor all that in, thats nearly costs of a new bike with 105 groupset.
@@PhiyackYuh It doesn't cost that much. There are fitters already with 3d capturing + their expertise + pressure mapping in the normal range of 3-400usd that is a bikefit of around 3hours. Custom insoles are not necessarily necessary. Firstly a generic low-high arc insole might suit you or a customizeable insole like the G8 suffices. It is part of the fitting process that the fitter has such things available for trial during it. As per the video saddles are already being pushed and isn't uncommon already to change in a bikefit. So is stem length and handlebars due to the standardised equipment in almost all sizes up until today where that is becoming - a bit more - catering to the sizes of people who use those sizes of frames. Sure it will cost you as much as a new bike with 105 groupset if you insist on carbon aero integrated proprietary everything, speedplay nanogram etc but aside from that it is not a very costly affair and if it is maybe you should reconsider your choice of bike in relation to what you are willing to spend on getting the position right so you can enjoy cycling. That after all looks much cooler than bling parts.
@@PhiyackYuh I would say that it's a flaw based on it being a process whereby you are, in approximately 45min, suggested a position and a bike that you can then just 'get along' with. If the system can't pinpoint discomfort then I don't see how it will ever be superior to a standard 3hr personalized fit and actually truly know which adjustment is the correct/optimal to make for the individual in their situation. I for one can be as stable as ever in a position that is painful for longer time in a different handlebar position or just for longer full-stop or just only become instable when my body becomes too tired to deal with the immense instability of the position. That is not something the system captures. It seems to completely neglect adaption. It better be cheap lol. You'd have to come back idk how often if it veers drastically from your baseline.
Anyone notice this? When you start off a bike fit with grubby little hands much like Ollie's, bike fitting gets tedious and tricky. But if you have normal hands like Manon's, a bike fit is purely optional, as nothing needs to be changed nor updated. Cool.
"Proper cool" indeed. Love the banter between Ollie & Manon - fantastic presenter style. Question - does the machine assess power output in the different positions or does it just adjust positions according to some predetermined algorithm? Seems to me optimising for power output should be the primary focus.
#GCNTech Having purchased a previous model Canyon Aeroad I've since had to get a bike fit and purchase after market parts to make it fit. Would have loved this system to ensure my 5K was for a bike that fit!
The closest one to me (GR Michigan, USA) is Oklahoma USA... that's "only" about 1,000 miles away. Might have to wait a little bit for a dealership to pop up a little bit closer.
Great system and similar to the Guru bike fit set up, Sella Italia need to put a pair of brake lever hoods on the bars as that's where most people ride.
That’s amazing I would definitely get that bike for first before I buy my next bike all my bikes have been bought then made to fit with different stems and cranks and bits
I’d definitely do it before as I’ve never bought a new bike I’ve always bought used bikes and guessed the size. Would be nice to know what a bike is supposed to feel like as apposed to dealing with the mistakes and lack of knowledge on my part
Fit first has clear advantages. Especially with an expensive purchase. Expensive being a movable goal post depending on your income. If you are going to spend more than 10% of your gross income on a bike, it has to be worth making sure your getting the optimal size and geometry up front. Too many bike fitters in the UK don't use jigs. This drives you to buy the bike, then try to get it to fit better after, by spending even more money, probably at the bike fitters. Perhaps I'm cynical, but I'd prefer a system like this, even if it costs more up front. If the end result was being able to buy the right bike that needs little to no changes. Never mind being told that the frame size is just wrong, and the only way it can be made to fit is to change everything around it.
Well I actually done my fit on this idmatch system earlier this year and I didn't like it at all still having some trouble with pain points I'll probably just do another one with a Retul fitter.
The fitter's experience is more important than the platform he/she uses to fit you. Don't be blinded by lasers and computers to solve your own individual functional alignment. Find someone who sees you as an individual with unique issues and wants to help you not just take your money and hope it works.
I welcome this, because data and automation is the way forward. Not saying this is in any way perfect, but the current system is terrible. Most of us end up on a frame that’s too big for us, and bike fitting can be a bit of a lottery to what you get and how far you’re able to travel etc. I would be interested to know if the machine has a function to enable the rider to “self select” their position dynamically while riding, ultimately we will all gravitate to a position we feel comfortable in.
I'm exactly the same size and weight as Manon, and my recommendations are pretty much the same in terms of frame size. While my bike fit is perfect for a long day in the saddle, it was only made for road use, I find that I can't easily get a good TT position just by putting clip-on aerobars. Also I'm very surprised it would recommend an XXS size frame to Manon for the Canyon because it's likely that the stem will be quite long already, not leaving a lot of room for adjustability, not to mention toe overlap which is a pain on smaller size frames. I guess it has to do with stack height. Curious to see what it has to say about Ollie's TT fit. Interesting video nonetheless!
Remember the heyday of GCN with Matt Stephens and Simon Richardson? It was the equivalent of Clarkson's Top Gear to Chris Evans' Top Gear. Charismatic, honestly funny hosts that could make the most banal topic fun. I miss those days
Amazing system. It would be interesting to see a rider who has put on some extra kilos, say 10-15 but has not changed their bike set up to see what changes the Italia system would recommend
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Would you use this to help influence your bike set up? Let us know 👇
If I had access to it, I would! But still go to a pro. fitter as well to make sure
how about the crank arm length? it doesn't change? took me a lot of trial and error and only after a pro fitter suggested that i use a 145mm only then I felt the comfort and power output that I wanted after a long time. There are a lot of adults who are small, 5ft or even smaller. hope the bike community would extend the possible options for the minority like us.
@@roivalenton5962 recumbent riders know about this and love shortened cranks, more aero
I don't want a bike fit...I just want to sit on that machine and perform the dynamic controls🤩🤩
This looks amazing but the reality of buying a bike just now (I just did) is that 1 there is no choice because virtually nothing is available until 2022 and 2 even good bike shops are struggling to provide any service as they are so flat out trying to cope with demand for sales and repairs. And they want you out of the shop ASAP in case you have COVID 🙁 Reminds me a bit of when I bought a new golf driver a few years ago and they had all this amazing gear but the guy just looked at me, got me to hit a ball then handed me the standard size model and said “that’ll do” 😃
We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.
Fit first buy later sounds like a great proposition. Could prevent an expensive mistake.
For sure!
and if you had looked at a few bikes roughly your seize then maybe it could be used for determining which one was best for you
yeah but think of how many people who walk into shops who aren't ready to buy.. fits need to be paid first, then bike later.
We all knew that Manon was practically perfect in every way, just like Mary Poppins. But I really want to see Ollie's results. It's fun to take a poke at Ollie, but when you look at his power output, experience, and bike-buying budget, he really does represent a very high end recreational rider/racer.
Ollie's "you don't have to mess about with allen keys" followed by someone using an allen key on the system, is nearly a Dan Lloyd "no vehicles" as a tractor drives past moment.
I think you can guess who i've been watching but i definitely feel the "Fit first, buy later" philosophy is absolutely the way forward.
I've been fettling with my position for years now and i know what range i'm comfortable and functional in, and those figures do not line up with recommended figures from bike shops/manufacturers - being 1 or 2 sizes too big, which seems to be somewhat of a pattern for people in general
Is it definitely not Tuesday, but still somehow Tuesday?
The guy you are referring to is definitely a wizard. Rather than pay $400 for a chimp to use this machine on me, I think I'd just go to his shop...
The first person I thought of when watching this! I trust someone's experience, knowledge and skill combined with tech far more than just tech frankly.
@@cocorocks88 yeah. It’s the interpretation of why these measurements are this way that I want most.
I tried this out a couple of years ago when it was demoed at the NEC bike show. It was brilliant.
That's cool! Glad to hear it!
I’m only four and a half minutes in and finding this fascinating. I had a bike fit recently ahead of buying a new bike and it’s improved my riding position immensely. Would highly recommend it.
For me who is just trying to get back into cycling. This system would be perfect. Especially when choosing a great option for a bike.
Raleigh had a similar thing in the 1970s. The "Customsizer" was a fitting machine that was distributed to dealers and worked on much the same basic principle.
Such fun information. I actually got fitted for a bike before buying. And my fitter suggested the bike for me. I am amateur in every way, but no pain, strain or diacomfort.
Manon’s face when Ollie says “there’s a manual mode.” Priceless!
Wait till he engages Symbian mode
he should have raised the saddle as high as possible and dropped the handlebars as low as possible :D really stretch her out
As a physiotherapist I find this very interesting (man vs machine). I think Manon should fix that shoulder (its one sided pain so could be a result of an injury opposed to bilateral) instead of adapting her bike fit around the shoulder (no bias at all). Love the idea of trying to standardize things but I wonder what the computer is considering optimal (comfort, speed, pelvic tilt angle, etc). Nice video!
Probably power output
11:30 “this system doesn’t need those pesky allen keys”. 11:50 allen key needed to swap saddle.
HA, spotted that too.
@@alynlambert4855 It's not quite what he is saying though. He means more along the lines of measure twice cut once instead of constantly screwing and unscrewing to make adjustments
Really cool to see how tech keeps helping bike set up. It's such a complex topic, and as you said, every fitter interprets numbers differently. Hopefully this will solve that issue. Thumbs up for the video; it shows how the systems is very user friendly. Congrats to Manon on her Bday. Keep up the good work.
Slowly am beginning to LOVE MANON, I LOVE HER VOICE TOO...
did you see that huge engagement ring? I think everyone subscribed is in love with her already anyway ;)
13:05 got a Bogey in my sights; cameraman smoothly adjusts
What I like most about this going forward is it will work in reverse too, changing the geometry of how we make bikes, to better fit our actual needs more closely.
TBF thats why getting a bike fit first and custom bike made to measure is the best option if you're happy with a beautiful modern steel or titanium frame.
@@bukarin true! I meant more that if this takes off, manufactures will have a large data base of our different shapes and sizes. Casual and pro, and maybe that could make frame design even better.
in conclusion, is manon is perfect
The revelation absolutely no GCN viewer needed
@@conorverbruggen5133 it was pretty obvious from the start lmfao
To answer Ollie’s question, I believe in both.
Fit first, buy later. Then fit again.
..Once I feel too comfortable (I feel like I am ready to go more aggressive), then I’ll pay the fitter another visit.
Does anybody have this equipment apart from Selle Italia Head office? How much does a 45 min bike fit cost? Is it available yet to regular cyclists, not just pros? ............. Just a few questions that need answering :)
imagine if it costs more to fit than a bike
The answer to one of your questions is in the video 😉
400 Usd,,,,,,, non sense,,,, it was the same measurements that are one my Derosa bike ,,, 1 mm. Apart....
@@Drip-Soup373 Today in my ride I saw in a store a Cannondale Super Six Evo for $707 per month for 12 months. It is worth more than my 2012 Volvo S60 T4!
194$ in Poland
Is there a “chimney size” option? I would definitely use this pre-bike purchase 😎
I had a bike fit on this system 2 years ago when I bought my road bike at my bikeshop in Como, Italy. It's a nice system. Not sure it can replace an experienced bike fitter though, but it definitely get's you in a really good position, really quick...
One of the coolest creations in world of cycling. Thanks GCN. 😍
This is a better way to go.This way you dont make a geometry mistake in frame vs flexibility vs style of ride.
This is so exciting because
you KNOW how massive fit is for comfort and output
Perfect bikefit without shifters
Track bikes only ...
very smart using manon as model, i reckon this saved 80% of the people finishing the video
also: LASERS
Is there going to be a fit video for Ollie to see how perfect he is?
my man is asking the real question
Great piece of kit. Can't help to think how many bike shops could afford this.
Awesome! If money was no issue, I'd like the fit before the bike. However, since it is I'm left with fewer affordable options and twiddling with the fit after.
What a great idea. Best way to shop for a new bike. I have a good fit on my Diamonback, but a lot of it was trial and error so as stuff hurt I googled it and figured out the adjustment. They need to make it easy to find.
This is an evolution of the Guru Dynamic bike fit unit. It's a great idea to have a system for riders to discover what bikes will fit them best rather than buy a bike they like to look of and not be able to get a good fit on it. Over a decade in the bike industry has taught me that people usually want whats pretty.
This technology is revolutionary no more guess work measurements. Would love to try this before i purchase a new bike.
I would absolutely use this. I will follow its development and public acceptance. Hope to see this in the US! Great episode.
@@idmatch I'm in the US, San Francisco ( Bay Area) is an amazing bicycle hub and culture. I would love to have your fitting system in my shop! How can aquire that please?
Small issue there: most folk (even the pro tour riders) spend the majority of a ride on the hoods not the drops. So does a bike fit jig that measures you only in the drops miss anything vital?
No. If you can find yourself at home in the drops, you will certainly be comfortable on the hoods.
On the contrary, people may find the hoods nice. But they can’t go down in the drops. That’s actually a problem.
4:57 that smirk lmao
before ... absolutely before buying the bike... this is absolutely tremendous
Manon trying not smirk when Ollie said 'bend over' was it for me...
This is one the most interesting and hilarious GCN videos to date. Keep up the great work!
great video can't think why nobody before has made a bike fitting rig that can be adjusted remotely whilst you are cycling ...
Loved seeing Manon try to keep pedaling whilst you extended all the settings to max and minimum ...hilarious.
I have big feet and therefore have a larger than average ankle to plate foot pivot motion than most cyclists but that is never really taken into account in traditional bike fitting . I have to elongate plate adjusting slots to get the ball of my foot over the axle and extend my saddle height also to compensate for the extra length
There’s actual use for the Kinect?
Our team developed a system converting English sign language into words using a Kinect.
Back in the Wild West of the USA the wagon driver held the reins and the front seat passenger held the shotgun. Riding shotgun refers to the front seat passenger.
The ability to seamlessly adjust the position of the handlebars and saddle is amazing. Although there is a lot of science behind bike fitting, personal feel on the bike is still important which is probably quite optimized on this. Would definitely love to try this out.
Im 5’9 an i ride a 1985 cannondale sr300 56cm the way the previous owner had it setup was the perfect even the seat height
Manon: "I'm perfect."
There's a reason I'm binge-watching you right now but you don't have to rub it in my face.
Even as promoted video, this is an amazing machine. Thank you
Can we get a list/map where in the world they are installed?
Wow! Simply wow! My only fit experience was with good old retul, and this could make life way easier!!
This WAY too cool, would love to get fitted using this. CHEERS!!
Since I have bought a Ti hardtail 29er, and a Ti gravel bike this year to add to my 2 year old Roubaix I don’t think I will be using this system before I buy a bike any time soon...... it might be useful for checking my setup though.
Actually we have had this for years with GURU fitting.
That is a great machine, showing different settings for different kinds of cycling. It lets cyclist compare the different 'styles' for different situations. They can experience what the position changes do and inform them what they have to do to their body to make the bike body union better. Its missing one setting most of my customers seem to want, riding while they are seated on their living room couch.
Need more of these in the US!
I think the smart way to do it is get a bike fit, whether its with this or retul. Knowing measurements in key locations will save you down the road.
Just found and watched this video last night (1.28.22). Fully intrigued. Only "Lab" in US is near Dallas Tx, 1000 miles from my home state of Wisconsin. ..........Appointment scheduled for April 20th...!! 😁😁
Awesome video, but why doesn’t t the bike have hoods ?
If one is planning on investing significant money on a bike, it absolutely makes sense to fit first and buy later. I was totally smitten by the BMC Teammachine , but given my age and more limited flexibility, fitting the bike proved to be a nightmare. The very aggressive position just could not be mitigated to allow more than a 2 hour tops ride. Finally the LBS fitter suggested a more relaxed Specialized Roubaix. Almost 10K miles later I can ride that bike all day and not feel like I've been through torture. If the fit and recommendation were done before selection, I could have been paired with a bike best suited to my riding capabilities
Im just excited to finally know what Manons measurements are. Now the production of Manon robots can begin.
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1:40 - Shows a crank with screws for manual size setting. Presenter: "And one of the key advantages is that it can be adjusted as you pedaling along"
Very impressive....I am so envious....I so wish I could be fitted on one of these.
One thing you could elaborate in future episode is the criterium(s) for the fit that are available. What we could see on the screen is selection by a discipline and maybe there is "aggressive" dial within the discipline because you spoke of it during Manon's fit ... It would be really valuable if other criterium then maximum performance is available (ex. comfort, endurance,...).
Would be happy to have that option to fit optimally for new bike. Worth paying for too. Price - if available - should be in your comment to the video. One comment below suggests 400 USD. That's too much for most people for sure.
There should be pressure sensors all through out the body as well to identify pain points.
Yeah definitely a fatal flaw that it doesn't use saddle pressure mapping or even more innovative: computes pressure through the foot to, among other things, determine arch support
@@yannickokpara4861 its not really flaws per se, but its more philosophy of selle italia’s bike fitting system. There is no such thing as perfect fit kit but how the fitter uses that system and technology that matters. Are you both willing to pay for this on top of pressure maps on the saddle and foot for say 750usd plus not including costs of custom insoles, shoes that suits you plus other parts including saddle, handlebars, stem length, pedal system etc? If you factor all that in, thats nearly costs of a new bike with 105 groupset.
@@PhiyackYuh It doesn't cost that much. There are fitters already with 3d capturing + their expertise + pressure mapping in the normal range of 3-400usd that is a bikefit of around 3hours. Custom insoles are not necessarily necessary. Firstly a generic low-high arc insole might suit you or a customizeable insole like the G8 suffices. It is part of the fitting process that the fitter has such things available for trial during it. As per the video saddles are already being pushed and isn't uncommon already to change in a bikefit. So is stem length and handlebars due to the standardised equipment in almost all sizes up until today where that is becoming - a bit more - catering to the sizes of people who use those sizes of frames. Sure it will cost you as much as a new bike with 105 groupset if you insist on carbon aero integrated proprietary everything, speedplay nanogram etc but aside from that it is not a very costly affair and if it is maybe you should reconsider your choice of bike in relation to what you are willing to spend on getting the position right so you can enjoy cycling. That after all looks much cooler than bling parts.
@@PhiyackYuh I would say that it's a flaw based on it being a process whereby you are, in approximately 45min, suggested a position and a bike that you can then just 'get along' with. If the system can't pinpoint discomfort then I don't see how it will ever be superior to a standard 3hr personalized fit and actually truly know which adjustment is the correct/optimal to make for the individual in their situation. I for one can be as stable as ever in a position that is painful for longer time in a different handlebar position or just for longer full-stop or just only become instable when my body becomes too tired to deal with the immense instability of the position. That is not something the system captures. It seems to completely neglect adaption. It better be cheap lol. You'd have to come back idk how often if it veers drastically from your baseline.
Anyone notice this? When you start off a bike fit with grubby little hands much like Ollie's, bike fitting gets tedious and tricky. But if you have normal hands like Manon's, a bike fit is purely optional, as nothing needs to be changed nor updated. Cool.
"Proper cool" indeed. Love the banter between Ollie & Manon - fantastic presenter style. Question - does the machine assess power output in the different positions or does it just adjust positions according to some predetermined algorithm? Seems to me optimising for power output should be the primary focus.
How could we survive all the years without this fitting?
#GCNTech Having purchased a previous model Canyon Aeroad I've since had to get a bike fit and purchase after market parts to make it fit. Would have loved this system to ensure my 5K was for a bike that fit!
How far off was canyons recomendation to your bike fit result?
i'd love to do a fit like this one. I had so many injuries in my life due to improper fit in different sports u.u
"It has lasers." Have we ever seen Ollie so happy?
very good ! ! ! well done both of you
You kids are having too much fun!
And I’m suffering here, whether I should be 75, or 75.4cm 😡😤
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Manon and Oli are the best presenters couple!
The closest one to me (GR Michigan, USA) is Oklahoma USA... that's "only" about 1,000 miles away. Might have to wait a little bit for a dealership to pop up a little bit closer.
Looks like the team are in Italy, stay safe, have fun.
Love the concept, doesn't look like it is in the US really. challenge will be it reduces the time but increases the cost of the fit.
At 1:54, look how far the trace is from the foot, if the data from the overlay is driving anything then the fit will be off.
Great system and similar to the Guru bike fit set up, Sella Italia need to put a pair of brake lever hoods on the bars as that's where most people ride.
Good tech, well presented guys! Very sensible methodology behind it. Oh, and HBD for the 5th M.L.
Shes the best thing thats happened to GCN
That’s amazing I would definitely get that bike for first before I buy my next bike all my bikes have been bought then made to fit with different stems and cranks and bits
Hannah Barnes is on the XXS Aeroroad, with a 120 stem - must be similar to Manon
No she isn’t - I fitted her two days ago on her XS with a 90 🙃
Great idea. I would definitely try this before my next bike buy!
I like it I would do this before buying my next bike.
Like it. Manon; "I'm perfect!" Course you are....... Apart fromm the wonky right shoulder?
I’d definitely do it before as I’ve never bought a new bike I’ve always bought used bikes and guessed the size. Would be nice to know what a bike is supposed to feel like as apposed to dealing with the mistakes and lack of knowledge on my part
Fit first has clear advantages. Especially with an expensive purchase. Expensive being a movable goal post depending on your income. If you are going to spend more than 10% of your gross income on a bike, it has to be worth making sure your getting the optimal size and geometry up front.
Too many bike fitters in the UK don't use jigs. This drives you to buy the bike, then try to get it to fit better after, by spending even more money, probably at the bike fitters.
Perhaps I'm cynical, but I'd prefer a system like this, even if it costs more up front. If the end result was being able to buy the right bike that needs little to no changes. Never mind being told that the frame size is just wrong, and the only way it can be made to fit is to change everything around it.
Well I actually done my fit on this idmatch system earlier this year and I didn't like it at all still having some trouble with pain points I'll probably just do another one with a Retul fitter.
The fitter's experience is more important than the platform he/she uses to fit you. Don't be blinded by lasers and computers to solve your own individual functional alignment. Find someone who sees you as an individual with unique issues and wants to help you not just take your money and hope it works.
0:44 I didn't realize is Manon smile while pain so cute
Great video. I love watching the two of you together!
I welcome this, because data and automation is the way forward. Not saying this is in any way perfect, but the current system is terrible. Most of us end up on a frame that’s too big for us, and bike fitting can be a bit of a lottery to what you get and how far you’re able to travel etc.
I would be interested to know if the machine has a function to enable the rider to “self select” their position dynamically while riding, ultimately we will all gravitate to a position we feel comfortable in.
I'm exactly the same size and weight as Manon, and my recommendations are pretty much the same in terms of frame size. While my bike fit is perfect for a long day in the saddle, it was only made for road use, I find that I can't easily get a good TT position just by putting clip-on aerobars. Also I'm very surprised it would recommend an XXS size frame to Manon for the Canyon because it's likely that the stem will be quite long already, not leaving a lot of room for adjustability, not to mention toe overlap which is a pain on smaller size frames. I guess it has to do with stack height. Curious to see what it has to say about Ollie's TT fit. Interesting video nonetheless!
Really like the idea of being assessed with this system as I have some fairly severe spine issues.
OMFG the cleat install lasers
Great info, great attitude, congratulations
Cheers from NYC
Remember the heyday of GCN with Matt Stephens and Simon Richardson? It was the equivalent of Clarkson's Top Gear to Chris Evans' Top Gear. Charismatic, honestly funny hosts that could make the most banal topic fun. I miss those days
Looks pretty awesome. Great video guys.
Amazing system. It would be interesting to see a rider who has put on some extra kilos, say 10-15 but has not changed their bike set up to see what changes the Italia system would recommend
Oh, Manon!
sounds great, and will be a great help when planing to buý a new bike.
I’ve had this done a month or two ago to determine the best frame size for me! New bike being delivered in January :)