i'm a little late, sorry for that. but exactly those Infos help me right now, to find the points where a newer bike is responsable for some numb hands( a classic), in compare to an older one, which has close the same geometry.
What a revelation. I am 71 years old and been riding all my life. Cycled most of the world's mountain ranges and currently live in the mountains of Southern France and cycle around 1200 kms a month right through the year with thousands of metres of height gain and loss, mostly on a Canyon Grail and a Cannondale Synapse thee days. Trial and error have helped but are no substitute for even a little knowledge. From tomorrow it is a new dawn; never too late to change and modify and improve. Never even thought about cleat position. A few adjustments will hopefully give me another twenty years of pure joy and pleasure. Many, many thanks for opening my eyes.
Finally someone did this. I've had two bike fits in the last year, both with disappointing results. The best result if gotten have come from messing around with things myself, which is only made possible because of the bike fit videos. Thanks a million Can and Neil.
I've been watching your videos for a few years now, but just ran across this one... I recently hit my 70th birthday, been riding many 1000s of miles (casual, long distance, amateur racing) since I started back in the late 1960s. I've been riding cleats for at least 35-40 years. I always set up my cleats so that my big toe joint was directly over the pedal axle. The last year or two I have been having some knee discomfort and did identify the pain as Lateral Collateral Ligament. Not quite debilitating but very annoying and I feared that it would deteriorate; it has discouraged me from some of the longer rides that I enjoy I found this video, and set my cleat position back about 19-20mm (I'm a size 47 shoe). Also lowered my seat about 5mm as the new cleat position had me 'stretching' a bit. ...so far so good...a few 20-30 mile rides in our local hills, and the pains are slowly receding. When we get a break from the rain (and snow in the mountains...even here in the San Francisco Bay Area) I will take a ride over the coast and try to finetune a little. THANX!!!
Cam like the other watchers have said thank you very much!!!! I have Multiple Sclerosis this series has transformed my riding .... I don’t race but I’m pain free on bike you will never know how much you guys have helped me THANK YOU AGAIN
@@2wheelsrbest327 Thank you for the well wishes, I’m doing very well for my situation I was diagnosed 20 years ago and I’m still kicking cheers!!!! Happy Holidays and a good New Years,
The side by side slowmo pedaling of good vs bad saddle height.. incredibly instructive!! The difference is subtle and hard for beginners to understand, this was crystal clear.
@@lio220 Good day friend! In the bad height, the leg is more extended and quadriceps appear to be past it's point of full press. Opposite for the good height.. the leg is slightly less extended and quadriceps appear to be in a position near the end of it's press but not full.
A big thanks to Mark and everyone who has contributed to this cause to support cancer patients & research. We are now family and I will be thinking of everyone. Thank you again Lou & Jane
I never appreciated how difficult it was to properly configure your bike until I heard Neill having to add umpteen qualifiers for any given adjustment. This video has been a tremendous help in better approximating my correct fit
Bike fit is important, I keep hurting my knees whenever I ride and it really is demoralizing. Now I'm trying to fix my position through youtube videos. Thanks for all the free knowledge!
These series of videos are revelatory. Before adjustment my quads would burn, windy days would be an extra pain and I wasn’t enjoying the rides. Post adjustment. I shaved 4 minutes of my routine runs, wind or incline, the riding experience is much more enjoyable. Thanks guys!
Just amazing y’all are out there sharing such fantastic info! Bike fitting has been stopped near me for some time, so trying to do it myself was a challenge. Spent a few hours after this video experimenting and wow what a difference it made!
We are moving back to Brisbane eventually, first thing I do even before unpacking the house (don't tell the wife) is getting a bikefit with Neil. Cannot wait!
wow that's a pro level. great video. even getting on a bike is really detailed process. not riding, just sitting on a bike on a proper way is so detailed.
Just got a new ‘indoor bike’ and trying to self fit. Fought dropping the bars due to misconception of it being to aggressive. But I found myself riding on the drops. Glad to hear the different perspective on this!
I’m really glad I watched this video. I use a turbo trainer lots at the moment. I’ve always used my hybrid bike on it. Recently bought a second hand road bike which put me in a completely different riding position and my lower back, hands and shoulders have been aching since the change. I watched the video and changed my cleat and seat position and noticed a difference on my first ride. Feel different on the bike, more comfortable, not so heavy on the hands and no back ache. Thank you Cam and Neil. 🙂 🏴
Thank you for this! I had picked up a new gravel bike, but at the same time replaced my Speedplay cleats and have been troubleshooting seat height to a new knee pain I was experiencing on longer rides. Turns out the cleat position was the fix. I had seen a different video where they had me line up the center of the cleat pad with the center of the ball of my foot. Using your technique of taping a small screw in the joint and measuring 16mm back (size 43 shoe) resolved it.
Neill descibing me exactly. Long torso, short legs, and very flexible. I am running a -17° stem and just took the last spacer out on Monday's trainer ride. Feels really comfortable still. Great vid as usual from these two!
Anyone else sitting here still trying to spot the difference between the two pedal strokes in the side by side footage? I don’t see the “chopping” of the knee.
@@jackvinz good call. Looking at the shoes and their relation to the pedal, the left side is moving around more whereas the right side shoe is very stable. Thanks!
Lol I understood what he was saying until he showed the videos... It was the same video to me, but I get that if it's too tall, your knee will lock out
Excellent video and instruction. Thank you. We are going to measure our bikes so we can adjust our rentals on a tour to fit us like our own bikes as much as possible.
Although this is the best bike fit video I've seen - thanks Neil and Cam - it also proves the point that you can't transfer the years of training and expertise from experience of either a sports physio or an expert bike fitter in 18 minutes. This is only a starter to give the basics - GET A BIKE FIT. These skills are worth paying for - best money I've ever spent on cycling.
I got fitted by Neil a few years ago absolute star fixed my knee pain issues. Was devastated when I found out he moved away from Melbourne. Can't wait for our next trip to Noosa. Also thanks Cam for bringing him to the people keep doing what your doing legend.
Going back through some of your older videos Cam. This kind of content is great. Neil's advice is much better than what we see from Fancis Cade. His bike guy just rants and always ends up at "this is too complicated, go see a bike fitter"
Also the comparison between correct saddle height and too high is more subtle than I expected. I will be definitely looking at my at my saddle height again.
I love these videos! I had a bike fit done and the day after got into a terrible motorcycle accident. So I never got to try the fit. I don’t want to pay for one again since it’s pretty close to good, and these videos help me tweak things :)
I approve of the advice to fit based on rider feel. Bikefit is dynamic thing and should be constantly reviewed, especially if you are doing flexibility and/or core strength exercises, which will impact your fit significantly. Too many people take the final bike fit at one point in time as gospel. IMO it is just a starting position to adapt as you get more or less fitter and flexible.
Thankyou for this info. I have purchased a racer only for commuting purposes not for racing, but i am researching tutorials for right positions etc for the comfort and speed of my rides, but im not confident enough to go to a specialised bike shop to ask for advise. I have tinkered around to get a idea of wether my position on bike is right for me. But this tutorial has been a great learning lesson for me thankyou for sharing your knowledge and insight
Great vid! I really enjoy your channel. I ordered a set of Camden carbon wheels based on your review. I will be able to enjoy them the other side of winter.
Based on advice from your videos, I moved my seat all the way back. Seems like that may be where my seat should have been all along. Front knee cap pain gone! Interestingly, that new seat position puts the front of my knee closer to right over the pedal spindle in the 3:00 position. Also, riding with my heels on the pedals to set seat height seems to work quite well for me in finding the position that generates a smooth feeling transition at the bottom of the pedal stroke...as long as I don’t inadvertently rock my hips when performing the test. Spot on advice from both of you. Cheers and THANKS SO MUCH from the USA!
16:35 Awesome insight! Got a -35 degree stem and my bar height dropped by almost 55mm and I started to wonder why my quads are burning as if it is too low when I didn't change my seat position. Now I know why!
63 y/o here, limited flexibility due to age and injuries. The examples in the video are why I use my old school steel road bike with quill stems to estimate my optimal saddle/handlebar drop. Easy to adjust as I go, even during a ride -- just pull over, grab the multitool, squiggle the stem up or down 1/4" at a time, ride and evaluate. I was able to guesstimate the appropriate fit for my old 1993 Trek 5900 OCLV with threadless stem that way. But that old Trek is still pretty much a traditional diamond frame with horizontal top tube. Switching to the same type compact drops and same length stems helps, whether quill or threadless -- the end result is the same. Overall I seem to be more comfortable and efficient with a more stretched out position (dare I say the early 2000s era LA type fit on his Treks?), without as much saddle/bar drop as many younger riders use now. After a couple of months I'm still working on optimal fit for a 2011 (approx) Diamondback Podium with compact frame. I think the main problem is the 175 cranks. While 175 a technically within my range (5'11", 33" inseam), with age those long cranks no longer feel right, so I'm converting all my bikes to 170 or 172.5.
I watched all the previous bike fitting videos with Neill and completely changed positions on both road and track bike (for the better) - i used rollers and would analyze position while recording with iphone - pretty easy honestly once you understand the ideas of each area, such as reach, saddle height, drop etc - no pain while riding either bikes and they feel more fast and comfortable than before watching the videos - only area i didn't change which i had pretty dialed in was cleat position
It is a shame you can't give this video 5 thumbs up. It is also a shame Neil lives on the other side of the world to me. Great article, great series of articles tackling the subject of bike fit.
Awesome again and I wish all those Facebook posters asking about this sort of thing on the various groups would start with this. Nothing like a pro bike fit with someone like Neil but a great place to start and then go to the Neils of this World for them to tweak your postion. Quality content again Cam and Neil
Fantastic info. Been watching Neill's videos for a while now. Completely changed my whole fit on the bike. Cleats further back and so much more comfortable. Got some narrower handlebars on order and will probably be going for shorter cranks soon.
I wish I could fly there with my bike. I have had a bike fit and a follow up. I can’t get 95-100% comfortable. I don’t get numbness in my hands but my tricep and front deltoid hurt after an hour of riding. My shoulders do project up , so I’m going to drop my bars and try that.
Thank you so much for all the information. I've been struggling a bit finding a comfortable seat position since returning to the bike four months ago. I struggle a bit sometimes with numbness in the gentleman vegetable department. This video has given me lots to think about and to try. Thank you!
Fantastic information. I guess the takeaway is we are all different and its difficult to get the position correct. I never realize the complexity of bicycle set up.
BRILLIANT! This is gold! Another excellent video from you two. Thank you! I know I’ve said this but I’d love to hear Neill sharing from the sports physio side of things in relation to cycling - stretches, strength training, flexibility etc...
Nice video! Thanks!! Having said that, I still can't see any difference between the "seat too high" and "seat at correct height" videos! 😱 My eyes are not trained enough to reveal the truth. 😢
Hi Cam and Neill! Really awesome videos, thank you both for sharing. One thing that has been coming up lately in my cycling group of friends during this pandemic is indoor vs. outdoor saddle comfort. A few people have noted that the saddles they are comfortable riding for 4-6 hours outdoors - have been brutal on 1.5 - 2 hour rides on an indoor trainer. Any chance you could make a video on this topic?
Beautiful. Best video ever on bike fit....I got all of it. Now back to the trainer and validate my current set up. Personally, I have always struggled with the seat setback. I am going to give this method a go. Thanks you guys.
Winner winner, chicken dinner! After this, I tried a slammed stem, and I was comfortable enough! If it’s still feeling good after another 2-3weeks, the hacksaw will be coming out! Again, this free content is an absolute gold mine! So thanks to both of you. But it’s made me realise how much I really should have a proper fit done due to all the nuances....
Thanks lads for the smorgasbord of info. There is so much utility in the content you produce, keep up the good work! Myself and a mate are just getting into cycling, giving our first event a nudge soon. Keep and eye out for the two late-twentyish kooks on bikes that don't fit yet. Hope to see you on the road!
Great video. Just a word on glutes. Glutes are not part of power production in cycling. This is a very common myth. There is no mechanical advantage provided by “trying “ to force the use of glutes. They’re just not on line with the movement. They simply function as stabilizers.
Excellent series, really helped me engage hamstring for a better pedal stroke. Any chance of getting a current view of you spinning after all the adjustments you have made?
I actually don’t use the drops as often as I would like to, this is due to the busy roads I ride on. I need more practice but when I do I actually enjoy the extra burst of speed especially on the open roads. Safety first though.
@@YouJLT Oh maybe I'm replying to the wrong person. I thought somebody was trying to spot the differences between the two setups. They look almost identical
This was so helpful! I just got a new bike and my hands/ wrists have been feeling so much pressure! Definitely going to make some adjustments based off this video! Thank you!
Thank you so much for this Cam, and Neill. I've been struggling so much with undercarriage numbness I've ordered a Sqlabs ergowave, and I'll go through all these steps and hopefully resolve my issues. The lack of good quality bike fitters in my local scene is upsetting.
Another excellent video. Neill’s tips are truly helping. Still dealing with some neck issues, but things are improving. Experimenting will be easier on a trainer for sure. Maybe Santa can bring one.
Thanks again Cam. If I may? I can add something which might help. I found out that I had a different leg length, when I put both my heals on the padels to set up my saddle heigth. I dicovered that with my left leg I had a good reach to my padel, but with my right leg I really had to stretch out to reach my padel
Thank you! I had my saddle almost all the way back and it still didn't feel right (9:40). Turns out my saddle was too high and my saddle is not clamped roughly in the middle of the rails. It seems like the diagonal plane is a good visualization of what one might need to do to adjust their saddle.
Sure there was 20 minutes of amazing information and insights from a professional whos experience I could never hope to match, but I'm PRETTY SURE my only take away was to ride completely slammed regardless of comfort since I have long monkey arms
I've said it thrice, I'll say it again; I can't believe you give this info away for free. Legends. Thanks Cam and Neill.
Couldn't agree more. I love giving away knowledge, because the world becomes a better place because of it. Glad others see it that way as well!!
I went and saw him after hearing all the stuff he taught online
@@jochem1986i
i'm a little late, sorry for that. but exactly those Infos help me right now, to find the points where a newer bike is responsable for some numb hands( a classic), in compare to an older one, which has close the same geometry.
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What a revelation. I am 71 years old and been riding all my life. Cycled most of the world's mountain ranges and currently live in the mountains of Southern France and cycle around 1200 kms a month right through the year with thousands of metres of height gain and loss, mostly on a Canyon Grail and a Cannondale Synapse thee days. Trial and error have helped but are no substitute for even a little knowledge. From tomorrow it is a new dawn; never too late to change and modify and improve. Never even thought about cleat position. A few adjustments will hopefully give me another twenty years of pure joy and pleasure. Many, many thanks for opening my eyes.
Can I follow you on Strava?
You ever biked Moab or the Wasatch??
Humble brag much?
I’m a 45 year old man and ride 200 miles per week, I still ride the first bike my parents gave me. Training wheels and all. It’s a Red Wagon
Finally someone did this.
I've had two bike fits in the last year, both with disappointing results. The best result if gotten have come from messing around with things myself, which is only made possible because of the bike fit videos.
Thanks a million Can and Neil.
I've been watching your videos for a few years now, but just ran across this one...
I recently hit my 70th birthday, been riding many 1000s of miles (casual, long distance, amateur racing) since I started back in the late 1960s. I've been riding cleats for at least 35-40 years.
I always set up my cleats so that my big toe joint was directly over the pedal axle. The last year or two I have been having some knee discomfort and did identify the pain as Lateral Collateral Ligament. Not quite debilitating but very annoying and I feared that it would deteriorate; it has discouraged me from some of the longer rides that I enjoy
I found this video, and set my cleat position back about 19-20mm (I'm a size 47 shoe). Also lowered my seat about 5mm as the new cleat position had me 'stretching' a bit.
...so far so good...a few 20-30 mile rides in our local hills, and the pains are slowly receding. When we get a break from the rain (and snow in the mountains...even here in the San Francisco Bay Area) I will take a ride over the coast and try to finetune a little.
THANX!!!
Cam like the other watchers have said thank you very much!!!! I have Multiple Sclerosis this series has transformed my riding .... I don’t race but I’m pain free on bike you will never know how much you guys have helped me THANK YOU AGAIN
That's awesome to hear Jason, thanks for sharing on the thread mate.
@@2wheelsrbest327 Thank you for the well wishes, I’m doing very well for my situation I was diagnosed 20 years ago and I’m still kicking cheers!!!! Happy Holidays and a good New Years,
The side by side slowmo pedaling of good vs bad saddle height.. incredibly instructive!! The difference is subtle and hard for beginners to understand, this was crystal clear.
I tried to see a difference between good and bad height but I'm unable!
What do you see?
@@lio220 Good day friend! In the bad height, the leg is more extended and quadriceps appear to be past it's point of full press. Opposite for the good height.. the leg is slightly less extended and quadriceps appear to be in a position near the end of it's press but not full.
thanks cam and neill for all the tips in the past few months
No worries mate, thanks for the channel support.
A big thanks to Mark and everyone who has contributed to this cause to support cancer patients & research. We are now family and I will be thinking of everyone. Thank you again Lou & Jane
I never appreciated how difficult it was to properly configure your bike until I heard Neill having to add umpteen qualifiers for any given adjustment.
This video has been a tremendous help in better approximating my correct fit
So far the best bike fit I've watched. Very detailed and easy to understand. Thanks Cam and Neil!
This, like all of Cam's and Neil's previous ones, are pure gold.. no nonsense and brilliantly explained... Thank you guys!
Bike fit is important, I keep hurting my knees whenever I ride and it really is demoralizing. Now I'm trying to fix my position through youtube videos. Thanks for all the free knowledge!
Thanks for being so generous with your professional advice!
These series of videos are revelatory. Before adjustment my quads would burn, windy days would be an extra pain and I wasn’t enjoying the rides. Post adjustment. I shaved 4 minutes of my routine runs, wind or incline, the riding experience is much more enjoyable.
Thanks guys!
Lads, we've struck youtube gold!! Thanks so much guys, I will definitely put this knowledge to good use :)
. . .
Just amazing y’all are out there sharing such fantastic info! Bike fitting has been stopped near me for some time, so trying to do it myself was a challenge. Spent a few hours after this video experimenting and wow what a difference it made!
We are moving back to Brisbane eventually, first thing I do even before unpacking the house (don't tell the wife) is getting a bikefit with Neil. Cannot wait!
Haha!
Both Cam and Neil r based in Brisbane? Maybe I should buy my next bike from Cam and get it fitted by Neil.
Neil Is my man. This is worth a flight over to the Sunshine coast.
wow that's a pro level.
great video.
even getting on a bike is really detailed process. not riding, just sitting on a bike on a proper way is so detailed.
Neil is a legend. Cam too
Just got a new ‘indoor bike’ and trying to self fit. Fought dropping the bars due to misconception of it being to aggressive. But I found myself riding on the drops. Glad to hear the different perspective on this!
I’m really glad I watched this video. I use a turbo trainer lots at the moment. I’ve always used my hybrid bike on it. Recently bought a second hand road bike which put me in a completely different riding position and my lower back, hands and shoulders have been aching since the change. I watched the video and changed my cleat and seat position and noticed a difference on my first ride. Feel different on the bike, more comfortable, not so heavy on the hands and no back ache. Thank you Cam and Neil. 🙂 🏴
Thank you for this! I had picked up a new gravel bike, but at the same time replaced my Speedplay cleats and have been troubleshooting seat height to a new knee pain I was experiencing on longer rides. Turns out the cleat position was the fix. I had seen a different video where they had me line up the center of the cleat pad with the center of the ball of my foot. Using your technique of taping a small screw in the joint and measuring 16mm back (size 43 shoe) resolved it.
Neill descibing me exactly. Long torso, short legs, and very flexible. I am running a -17° stem and just took the last spacer out on Monday's trainer ride. Feels really comfortable still. Great vid as usual from these two!
Anyone else sitting here still trying to spot the difference between the two pedal strokes in the side by side footage? I don’t see the “chopping” of the knee.
To me, it's the same video, placed side-by-side.
Try check the movement of the shoes...
@@jackvinz good call. Looking at the shoes and their relation to the pedal, the left side is moving around more whereas the right side shoe is very stable. Thanks!
@@jackvinz Hey thanks! Man, you've got eagle eyes or something 🤔
Lol I understood what he was saying until he showed the videos... It was the same video to me, but I get that if it's too tall, your knee will lock out
Excellent video and instruction. Thank you. We are going to measure our bikes so we can adjust our rentals on a tour to fit us like our own bikes as much as possible.
Although this is the best bike fit video I've seen - thanks Neil and Cam - it also proves the point that you can't transfer the years of training and expertise from experience of either a sports physio or an expert bike fitter in 18 minutes. This is only a starter to give the basics - GET A BIKE FIT. These skills are worth paying for - best money I've ever spent on cycling.
Thank you so much, the best bike fit video ever
By far the best bike fitting explanation out there so far. Thx Cam .
Cheers David.
Nothing beats a competent professional doing a knowledge share, with working tips to boot! Aces 👍
I love the examples on the red bike, how it looks if it's wrong. Very good explanation. Thank you.
I got fitted by Neil a few years ago absolute star fixed my knee pain issues. Was devastated when I found out he moved away from Melbourne. Can't wait for our next trip to Noosa. Also thanks Cam for bringing him to the people keep doing what your doing legend.
Going back through some of your older videos Cam. This kind of content is great. Neil's advice is much better than what we see from Fancis Cade. His bike guy just rants and always ends up at "this is too complicated, go see a bike fitter"
A very useful summary. i am putting this in my saved videos! Thanks, Cam!
Also the comparison between correct saddle height and too high is more subtle than I expected. I will be definitely looking at my at my saddle height again.
I love these videos! I had a bike fit done and the day after got into a terrible motorcycle accident. So I never got to try the fit. I don’t want to pay for one again since it’s pretty close to good, and these videos help me tweak things :)
I approve of the advice to fit based on rider feel. Bikefit is dynamic thing and should be constantly reviewed, especially if you are doing flexibility and/or core strength exercises, which will impact your fit significantly. Too many people take the final bike fit at one point in time as gospel. IMO it is just a starting position to adapt as you get more or less fitter and flexible.
THIS. I’ve been preaching this exact statement for years. It’s a starting point, it’s dynamic, our bodies change!!!
Really helpful pushing 62 riding for rehab and to get in shape every thing helps thanks from Minnesota..
Thankyou for this info.
I have purchased a racer only for commuting purposes not for racing, but i am researching tutorials for right positions etc for the comfort and speed of my rides, but im not confident enough to go to a specialised bike shop to ask for advise.
I have tinkered around to get a idea of wether my position on bike is right for me.
But this tutorial has been a great learning lesson for me thankyou for sharing your knowledge and insight
Wow I was flabbergasted about the advice of the cleat set up thank you
Some great advice there gents. This video should help viewers understand how nuanced a good bike fit process is.
Front vs Rear bike position to balance in fit - brilliant
One of the best videos on RUclips. Pure money
Great vid! I really enjoy your channel. I ordered a set of Camden carbon wheels based on your review. I will be able to enjoy them the other side of winter.
Awesome mate! Let me know how they go.
Based on advice from your videos, I moved my seat all the way back. Seems like that may be where my seat should have been all along. Front knee cap pain gone! Interestingly, that new seat position puts the front of my knee closer to right over the pedal spindle in the 3:00 position. Also, riding with my heels on the pedals to set seat height seems to work quite well for me in finding the position that generates a smooth feeling transition at the bottom of the pedal stroke...as long as I don’t inadvertently rock my hips when performing the test. Spot on advice from both of you. Cheers and THANKS SO MUCH from the USA!
Awesome 👏
Thanks for both of you, Cam and Neill
another bike fitting video series couldn't be more helpful than yours
thank you a great deal . i was getting miserable with biking with the adjustment of the heights
16:35 Awesome insight! Got a -35 degree stem and my bar height dropped by almost 55mm and I started to wonder why my quads are burning as if it is too low when I didn't change my seat position. Now I know why!
63 y/o here, limited flexibility due to age and injuries. The examples in the video are why I use my old school steel road bike with quill stems to estimate my optimal saddle/handlebar drop. Easy to adjust as I go, even during a ride -- just pull over, grab the multitool, squiggle the stem up or down 1/4" at a time, ride and evaluate. I was able to guesstimate the appropriate fit for my old 1993 Trek 5900 OCLV with threadless stem that way. But that old Trek is still pretty much a traditional diamond frame with horizontal top tube. Switching to the same type compact drops and same length stems helps, whether quill or threadless -- the end result is the same. Overall I seem to be more comfortable and efficient with a more stretched out position (dare I say the early 2000s era LA type fit on his Treks?), without as much saddle/bar drop as many younger riders use now.
After a couple of months I'm still working on optimal fit for a 2011 (approx) Diamondback Podium with compact frame. I think the main problem is the 175 cranks. While 175 a technically within my range (5'11", 33" inseam), with age those long cranks no longer feel right, so I'm converting all my bikes to 170 or 172.5.
Thanks for sharing mate
Quite a few videos ago I asked for this video, and Cam made it happen! Cam and Neill, you're both LEGENDS!!! Can't wait for the Winspace video!
I watched all the previous bike fitting videos with Neill and completely changed positions on both road and track bike (for the better) - i used rollers and would analyze position while recording with iphone - pretty easy honestly once you understand the ideas of each area, such as reach, saddle height, drop etc - no pain while riding either bikes and they feel more fast and comfortable than before watching the videos - only area i didn't change which i had pretty dialed in was cleat position
Absolute gold content. Bookmarked and referenced again and again!
I’m not even worried about paying $$ for a bike fit but am I getting the right fit? I doubt (where I live). Million thanks for sharing your knowledge!
It is a shame you can't give this video 5 thumbs up. It is also a shame Neil lives on the other side of the world to me. Great article, great series of articles tackling the subject of bike fit.
Another fantastic video Cam - thanks to you and Neill for sharing this - it’s gold dust!
Such a great video, easily the most practical bike fit video I’ve come across
Thanks for such a great video, Neill and Cam...
Awesome again and I wish all those Facebook posters asking about this sort of thing on the various groups would start with this. Nothing like a pro bike fit with someone like Neil but a great place to start and then go to the Neils of this World for them to tweak your postion. Quality content again Cam and Neil
wow...
Amazing.
tanks Nicholls and Neill Stanbury.
Fantastic info. Been watching Neill's videos for a while now. Completely changed my whole fit on the bike. Cleats further back and so much more comfortable. Got some narrower handlebars on order and will probably be going for shorter cranks soon.
I wish I could fly there with my bike. I have had a bike fit and a follow up. I can’t get 95-100% comfortable. I don’t get numbness in my hands but my tricep and front deltoid hurt after an hour of riding. My shoulders do project up , so I’m going to drop my bars and try that.
Congrats! You almost got 200k! Thank you for all the proper info bro.
Thank you so much for all the information. I've been struggling a bit finding a comfortable seat position since returning to the bike four months ago. I struggle a bit sometimes with numbness in the gentleman vegetable department. This video has given me lots to think about and to try. Thank you!
I just wore a mask along with my fitter and he got me setup. I also bought a sworks tarmac so they better have got me fitted for it.
This is above and beyond, lads!!!!!!! Thank you Neill and Cam for this!! Truly!
You guys are top.
Many thanks for the info
Merry Christmas to you and family
Same to you mate 👍
Fantastic information. I guess the takeaway is we are all different and its difficult to get the position correct. I never realize the complexity of bicycle set up.
BRILLIANT! This is gold! Another excellent video from you two. Thank you!
I know I’ve said this but I’d love to hear Neill sharing from the sports physio side of things in relation to cycling - stretches, strength training, flexibility etc...
Nice video! Thanks!! Having said that, I still can't see any difference between the "seat too high" and "seat at correct height" videos! 😱 My eyes are not trained enough to reveal the truth. 😢
Agree. If you look at the exposed length of the seatpost... really a difference?? Rgr
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I asked (amongst others) and you and Neil have delivered. It's brought everything together very nicely.
My dream is to ride my bike from the US to Australia and get a bike fit from Neil.
I would bet with a friend running a camera on you...he could fit you on a zoom call
I’m definitely more comfortable in the drop. That’s a good point. I guess I’ll look into lowering my stem.
Hi Cam and Neill, thanks for your videos! I would be interested on listening Neil’s opinion on cleat wedges and stance width!
I have a touring bike and my bars are above the seat level. Seems most comfortable to me that way.
Cam and Neil all of this content and knowledge is greatly appreciated. Thank you
Hi Cam and Neill! Really awesome videos, thank you both for sharing. One thing that has been coming up lately in my cycling group of friends during this pandemic is indoor vs. outdoor saddle comfort. A few people have noted that the saddles they are comfortable riding for 4-6 hours outdoors - have been brutal on 1.5 - 2 hour rides on an indoor trainer. Any chance you could make a video on this topic?
Great topic, will do!
I've placed an anti fatigue mat under my stationary bike and found planet bike's ars classic saddle to be the most comfortable..I'm 5.8 and 164 lbs..
Can you do one video about neck pain? I already made a bike fit at home but It doesn´t helped and this tips are gold, maybe neill can give me a light.
ruclips.net/video/q36DPGAHHjI/видео.html
although he talks about general overall fit, well, this one is the best - in my opinion. thank ya ;-)
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Beautiful. Best video ever on bike fit....I got all of it. Now back to the trainer and validate my current set up. Personally, I have always struggled with the seat setback. I am going to give this method a go. Thanks you guys.
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Winner winner, chicken dinner! After this, I tried a slammed stem, and I was comfortable enough! If it’s still feeling good after another 2-3weeks, the hacksaw will be coming out!
Again, this free content is an absolute gold mine! So thanks to both of you. But it’s made me realise how much I really should have a proper fit done due to all the nuances....
Thanks lads for the smorgasbord of info. There is so much utility in the content you produce, keep up the good work! Myself and a mate are just getting into cycling, giving our first event a nudge soon. Keep and eye out for the two late-twentyish kooks on bikes that don't fit yet. Hope to see you on the road!
I have been enjoying and looking forward to your Weekly VLogs. Your channel is clearlyunderrated
Great video. Just a word on glutes. Glutes are not part of power production in cycling. This is a very common myth. There is no mechanical advantage provided by “trying “ to force the use of glutes. They’re just not on line with the movement. They simply function as stabilizers.
That’s interesting. I think a lot of people don’t actually know what the gluteus maximus muscles are
Excellent series, really helped me engage hamstring for a better pedal stroke.
Any chance of getting a current view of you spinning after all the adjustments you have made?
I actually don’t use the drops as often as I would like to, this is due to the busy roads I ride on. I need more practice but when I do I actually enjoy the extra burst of speed especially on the open roads. Safety first though.
Amazingly easy to follow and has made a huge difference to my comfort level on the bike. Thank Cam and Neill
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Literally could not see the difference between "saddle too high" and "saddle at correct height" at 7:30, help
Watch the speed of the kneecap as it moves up and down that off-vertical path. You have to pick a point, like those video analyzers do.
I have also played the video again at a slower speed.
I can't see much difference either
@@xJay_030 Freeze-frame at 7:38 the difference of where the knee tracks over the ball of the foot ruclips.net/video/vMmbXAWcgh4/видео.html
@@WowRixter thanks. how is this related to the knee flickering?
@@YouJLT Oh maybe I'm replying to the wrong person. I thought somebody was trying to spot the differences between the two setups. They look almost identical
Many gems in this video. Thanks for sharing .
This was so helpful! I just got a new bike and my hands/ wrists have been feeling so much pressure! Definitely going to make some adjustments based off this video!
Thank you!
Thank you so much for this Cam, and Neill. I've been struggling so much with undercarriage numbness I've ordered a Sqlabs ergowave, and I'll go through all these steps and hopefully resolve my issues. The lack of good quality bike fitters in my local scene is upsetting.
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how did you go with the SQ Labs saddle?
Thank you so much! These videos and this play list is just what I needed. Really appreciate the effort you put into this series.
Another excellent video. Neill’s tips are truly helping. Still dealing with some neck issues, but things are improving. Experimenting will be easier on a trainer for sure. Maybe Santa can bring one.
haha, hopefully! And thanks for sharing mate
This was excellent!!! Might I say it was FREE🤯. Thank you 🙏🏾 definitely helped.
Thanks again Cam.
If I may? I can add something which might help. I found out that I had a different leg length, when I put both my heals on the padels to set up my saddle heigth. I dicovered that with my left leg I had a good reach to my padel, but with my right leg I really had to stretch out to reach my padel
Thanks for sharing on the thread Jan
Thx for sharing all your wisdom and experience Cam and Neill!!!
so excited to see this pop up. cannae wait to watch and get it done
Thank you! I had my saddle almost all the way back and it still didn't feel right (9:40). Turns out my saddle was too high and my saddle is not clamped roughly in the middle of the rails. It seems like the diagonal plane is a good visualization of what one might need to do to adjust their saddle.
Sure there was 20 minutes of amazing information and insights from a professional whos experience I could never hope to match, but I'm PRETTY SURE my only take away was to ride completely slammed regardless of comfort since I have long monkey arms
I need to visit Australian and get bike fitted by Neill.
Amazing Sr, bikkrfitting is the matt but nothing better than listen to a guru and let u know how to proceed :-)