Corrections: - Lightweight light attacks do the same damage as adaptive light attacks, my own data shows this but I thought otherwise for some reason - Apparently some archetypes of Ergo Sum are buffed differently by Transcendence, I will test soon and leave results here - More options like Telesto aggressive and Polaris vortex will be added soon as well
Someone mentioned some archetypes/frames gain 21%, some 51. Aggressive Vortex and …possibly caster being the higher ones. Maybe not aggressive. Vortex being relatively strong even with ammo consumption considered. Some such.
Hey question! What’s up with the aerial goldtusk combo in the spreadsheet? Is it that its dps is high- yet unreliable(depending on boss)? I remember it being mentioned as no longer good long ago and was just wanting to confirm
Also one other thing- I watched this one sword dps testing video by a content creator named CptZepos and he uses DDT for his testing and comes to conclusion for all legendary swords, the best dps and total dmg involves combos that Involve light and heavy attacks across all frames, but in certain cases and listings it is said “light spam only”, what is best? Light heavy combos (respective to the swords frame) or light only , specifically on legendary swords.
@@north9372 I always thought it was one of those things where when executed could technically produce high results but input and application can be awkward, some bosses don’t cooperate as nice, and the lasagna code can sometimes just not count stuff that should’ve hit even though you did everything right. I’ve often seen it chalked as “complicated” as a choice because chances are you’re better off just going with a “normal sword” attack cadence because there’s just not really a ton of situations physically in the game where you really need to overthink a sword, let alone something that shines from a particular attack input.
I know that this was hell for you to grind, but if there was ANYTHING in TFS that we needed rigorous testing on, it was Ergo Sum. There's just too many combinations to get straight answers on "what is best" for players that only have access to like a handful of rolls each. So your sacrifice is much much appreciated here
I personally like the Colony + Aggressive or Riskrunner + Lightweight combo, but I've been using it in light content like Overthrow, Standard Breach Executable, Advanced Nightfall, Strikes, Gambit, etc rather than actual boss damage.
It's not, add the 5% dmg boost from trancendance to the others swords and they'll beat Ergo... barely. With really hard to activate perks for dps (surrounded) it's mostly semantics, but Ergo is not the highest dps sword
@@dratoriasgaming9935 He mentioned in the vid that he isn't adding the transcendent dmg on the non-Ergo Sum swords. His reasoning for using it with Ergo Sum and not other swords was that "You're supposed to use Ergo Sum with transcendent"
@@gamingoverlord8854 I'll point out that surrounded is a super inconsistent damage perk, as you need to be able to keep enemies around you without killing them too quickly. Whirlwind blade is the easiest to keep up
all of yall are incorrect, wave frame ergo is highest dps sword. it just doesnt have the sustainable total damage bc of ammo eco. one wave frame swipe hits for 70k+
The Riskrunner Ergo Sum makes add clear / breathing room in the Verity encounter absolutely fucking deliciously divine. Even before the catty you never run out of ammo, you get to go comfort picks for smacking the shit outta the unstops, no one else is worrying about being overrun because everything is dead.
@@aquativity2907did a normal se run the other day and a chick killed herself if she was teleported inside because she could not stay alive in solo rooms. She was a conq x6.
Something I found during my own testing is that Song of Flame allows a Perfect Fifth ignition on every heavy due to the innate scorch stacks on Solar hits. This lets you effectively have Ember of Ashes while Transcendant. Might be something worth testing in terms of overall DPS with it.
Has Perfect Fifth been tested on Solar Song of Flame with Ember of Ashes? Curious if you could increase the number of Ignitions over the course of the reserves or if you could possibly trigger multiple Ignitions per Heavy Attack.
Thanks for the useful video dude! I normally don’t comment on videos, but you put so much effort into this for the community, I wanted to show what appreciation I can through liking and commenting. Your sacrifice is appreciated.
I'm subscribing not just because the analysis was good, but also because you used :3 and haiii in the in-game chat. I know a kindred spirit when I see one.
Thank you very much for the time and effort you spent testing this out. I will definitely be farming for that top tier role, and now I know what to look for thanks to you. I know I speak for many guardians when I say that.
@@r3mxd I know it’s not the first time. But I don’t think there’s been an exclusive meta where you are just using special weapons to kill if I remember correctly. Double slug meta was always with anarchy tractor.
There was a very specific use case with Calus and Coldheart in the first Leviathan raid, but that is all I can think of. When Merciless and the Ikelos shotgun were best in slot for damage, they were still heavy weapons.
Awesome testing, thanks a ton. I knew my caster polaris felt strong, its great to see the numbers. I will vouch for traveler's chosen though! With volatile rounds on grenade kill & lucent blade stacking, it's super easy to hit 10 stacks, swap to refill your grenade, and repeat. Very powerful ad clear choice that rivals pre-nerf chain reaction forbearance. Obviously, ad clear is a dime a dozen, but if you wanted to use this thing specifically *for* ad clear, its a great choice!
I like how the video starts with you peacefully running along, then a hive knight hits you and you spin around like: "Really? In the middle of MY Pale Heart exploration?"
Your obsession earned my sub, sometimes what if consumes you... And this I have found somebody who's answering the questions I want answered but I don't have the time to pursue myself. Welcome to my feed
Most underrated creator this game has ever seen, you’ve got people reading an article and getting hella views, this guy puts his sanity on the line to bring us content like this! (Ps where’s a good solo dps test boss? Dungeons are cooking me solo and the lost sector cabal on nesús died in one punch)
@@zeroshadowzs You can't get to DPS solo on that I'm pretty sure, also she and Kalli take more headshot damage than most combatants. Maybe one of the exotic mission bosses or smth?
My only hope is the slight rollback of the particular relative damage changes are the last thing they change with these. I don't envy your efforts to re-test everything, with both the activity changes AND the entire sandbox (except rockets) getting combatant modifier changes at the same time.
I will note, if you want good dps with wolfpack rounds, avoid wave frame as you end up in the air and you'll lose dps if you get knocked back. Lightweight is definitely the best option for wolfpack. The more grounded you are, the easier it is to keep that dps up
There is a special place of Ergo Sum in PvP with Wave Frame and Arc Conductor because it allows the follow up strike in PvP to one shot thanks to Arc Conductor's activation on Ergo Sum
Im just glad i kept the six egos sums i had, i knew not to delete them till someone made a video on the god roll. I checked my vault during this video and i was happy to see i had the god roll
This video would benefit enormously from showing the damage test on Riven. Also does the caster frame perfect fifth require Wolfpack round buffing + transcendence to reach that damage level? What is it like without it?
I know you're trying a million things, but I really recommend trying Sacred Flame / Ticuu's Divination perk with the wave frame. I have a godroll one, Jagged Edge and Swordmaster Guard, and it is a MONSTER, even against packs of orange bars in underlevel content.
@Aegis Okay. I love everything but…. The risk runner one blew my expectations away. In 4th encounter salvations edge (or really everywhere but final boss) with a wave frame roll went unbelievably hard because of how many red bars got one shot by the lightning after the wave(because it’s activated on heavy attack NOT taking arc damage). I would wave swing then light attack lunge(which is a free attack with this archetype) on the bigger guys meanwhile everything was dying to the arcing because it didn’t have a limit on how many it could hit at once
Can confirm I used the same roll in the day one raid, it went hard. Also the ammo economy is insane with the artifact this season. Getting three kills means each heavy only costs one ammo. And if you get lucky and get kills with the arc conduction after the initial swing it can generate more than that on a single swing
Note for travelers chosen. I have a arc one and ive been using it with arc hunter. Ascension kills give the gathering light stacks, not sure if other abilities do too.
More info on Colony perk on Ergo Sum. It doesn't share your weapon's affinity, it does kinetic damage. Even if your Ergo Sum is Void you cannot proc something like Nezerec's Sin with the insectoid. Making it even less desirable.
Arc conductor is actually juicy. I saw someone use a waveframe arc conductor in salvations edge on master for the first challenge. Dude popped it once and shit was melting around him as he was running to plates
Not me casually checking my ergo sum rolls stashed in my vault waiting for video like this and having a jagged edge, swordmaster guard, caster, perfect fifth just sitting there. Now if Bungie can patch it so we get full transcendence from rally flags that would be awesome. .
Has nothing to do with the damage testing but Ergo Sum is the perfect example of Bungie doing things that make no sense. This thing has so many unique combinations that depending on what you like and what you want to do you could keep 10-20 of these things alone on top of EVERYTHING else that is new like exotic weapons, exotic armor that includes class items that have the same situation as this sword, weapons including many craftables, unique armor that has perks that lend to they want you to keep them and use them… all only here at launch BTW… and you get 100 new vault space for the whole year. That’s absolutely mind boggling.
It's so shame not to be able to attune the Ergo sum roll you want! I'm struggling almost every day to get the damn wave frame arc Ergo... But I'm only getting irrelevant rolls..
I've been saving rolls the last couple weeks and I had 12 saved up so I finally looked up a video on what the good rolls are.... I have one perfect one and one decent one and 10 garbage ones, fuck me. Great video though edit: also where do you test dps at? I'd like to test a few things in my own builds but idk what the current best spot to test is
so is perfect fifth so strong that you should five-stack it (assuming #6 is bringing wolfpack), even though the scorches overlap? and if not, what's the next-best option -- a different ergo sum, or a heavy sword?
Now that whirlwind blade got that indirect buff, do you think the charge rate buff on Nasreddin's field tested can significantly impact its total damage?
@@TheAegisRelic Well in the sense of field tested giving charge rate, eliminating the need for lucent blade and you can have reserve mods in its place. Considering they are also removing reserve swapping, I think it's at least worth trying... Although I also think it's unlikely to have a big effect, seeing how much you need to do to have a full 5 stack of field tested
i was doing a run of crotas with my friends a bit back when the sword came out, i had a caster cloudstrike roll, and i ended up doing over 7mil dmg w just that sword, its literally insane
The currently available version of the Destiny 2: Boss Damage spreadsheet is pretty different from the one in the video. I wanted to look up the numbers in the spreadsheet but there is no entry right now for Ergo Sum caster frame with Perfect Fifth....
@@TheAegisRelic I can't find even the old numbers for ergo sum caster perfect fifth anywhere in the current sheet, am I just not looking in the right place? I've looked through all the tabs... I understand it may all just be in process and I'll check back later
Do you actually need swordmaster? Last I heard all it does is make your ability charge faster after the two second delay, but your heavy does the same damage as long as you have 1% charge
Lol, I've been using a perfect fifth and caster frame with swordmaster and jagged edge roll for the past couple of weeks and come to find out it's the best sword in the game.
for the caster frame argo sum, is the heavy attack the charged heavy attack? or a heavy non charged attack. so would it be 1 heavy attack and then 2 lights, and then wait for the recharge?
I think song of flame adds scorch to solar weapons so that might be a good alternative to the scorch fragment since you lose that by running prismatic instead of solar
ok completely unrelated question i have an enhanced eager edge slammer as well, and i gotta ask… how tf are you moving so fast 😭 i do the same thing as u and i’m 10x slower can we get an aegis movement guide lmao?
There are plenty of skating guides online but the basis of sword movement in Destiny is swapping off your sword after swinging or using some sort of animation to cancel the swing end so that you don't cut your speed
so @theageisrelic i watch 2 time this vid. and i dont know do i delete my perfect fifth sword if i dont have caster frame, i have lightweight and aggressive with that perk and now i dont know what to do with them, i must test myself and im lazy, lol, but caster wont drop to me and i f... reset vendor ghost 4 time
Main thing with the caster/perfect fifth roll is that the perfect fifth explosion occurs after 5 hits. Caster frames do 10 hits per heavy attack meaning you get 2 explosions per heavy attack. Additionally, these explosions deal scorch (I think 40+20 scorch similar to polaris, but not certain) so you get an ignition either every heavy attack (if you have ember of ashes) or every other heavy attack which do a good bit of damage. Lightweights attack pretty quickly, so the lightweight roll might not be the worst for perfect fifth procs.
How much does having caster frame matter for The Perfect fifth compared to a wave frame? Did you not get a wave frame to test with or does caster frame perform better specifically with perfect fifth. Thank you for the great breakdown of this sword. Part of me hopes they fix whatever weird stuff is going on with wolfpack + perfect fifth to make it literally better than heavy ammo swords
one thing for cloudstrike it is cool as fuck, me and 2 friends doing the first run and getting our first swords, me waveframe but colony, other friend had polaris aggressive I believe, last one had caster cloudstrike and it was cool as hell just deleting waves of ads obvious I agree it not being useful in lategame stuff, but still kinda cool so im glad I eventually got one.
Corrections:
- Lightweight light attacks do the same damage as adaptive light attacks, my own data shows this but I thought otherwise for some reason
- Apparently some archetypes of Ergo Sum are buffed differently by Transcendence, I will test soon and leave results here
- More options like Telesto aggressive and Polaris vortex will be added soon as well
Thank you for all you do, and so thoroughly.
Someone mentioned some archetypes/frames gain 21%, some 51. Aggressive Vortex and …possibly caster being the higher ones. Maybe not aggressive. Vortex being relatively strong even with ammo consumption considered. Some such.
Hey question! What’s up with the aerial goldtusk combo in the spreadsheet? Is it that its dps is high- yet unreliable(depending on boss)? I remember it being mentioned as no longer good long ago and was just wanting to confirm
Also one other thing- I watched this one sword dps testing video by a content creator named CptZepos and he uses DDT for his testing and comes to conclusion for all legendary swords, the best dps and total dmg involves combos that Involve light and heavy attacks across all frames, but in certain cases and listings it is said “light spam only”, what is best? Light heavy combos (respective to the swords frame) or light only , specifically on legendary swords.
@@north9372 I always thought it was one of those things where when executed could technically produce high results but input and application can be awkward, some bosses don’t cooperate as nice, and the lasagna code can sometimes just not count stuff that should’ve hit even though you did everything right. I’ve often seen it chalked as “complicated” as a choice because chances are you’re better off just going with a “normal sword” attack cadence because there’s just not really a ton of situations physically in the game where you really need to overthink a sword, let alone something that shines from a particular attack input.
I know that this was hell for you to grind, but if there was ANYTHING in TFS that we needed rigorous testing on, it was Ergo Sum. There's just too many combinations to get straight answers on "what is best" for players that only have access to like a handful of rolls each. So your sacrifice is much much appreciated here
I personally like the Colony + Aggressive or Riskrunner + Lightweight combo, but I've been using it in light content like Overthrow, Standard Breach Executable, Advanced Nightfall, Strikes, Gambit, etc rather than actual boss damage.
Every Pale Heart weapon is a banger. Even the legendary sword is really good for what it is.
False idols incandescent and chain reaction
Thanks for taking the time to do this. No one would have believed me if I said Ergo Sum caster frame is the highest DPS sword in the game.
It's not, add the 5% dmg boost from trancendance to the others swords and they'll beat Ergo... barely. With really hard to activate perks for dps (surrounded) it's mostly semantics, but Ergo is not the highest dps sword
@@gamingoverlord885423:04? I'm gonna assume he went transcendent on all swords.
@@dratoriasgaming9935 He mentioned in the vid that he isn't adding the transcendent dmg on the non-Ergo Sum swords. His reasoning for using it with Ergo Sum and not other swords was that "You're supposed to use Ergo Sum with transcendent"
@@gamingoverlord8854 I'll point out that surrounded is a super inconsistent damage perk, as you need to be able to keep enemies around you without killing them too quickly. Whirlwind blade is the easiest to keep up
all of yall are incorrect, wave frame ergo is highest dps sword. it just doesnt have the sustainable total damage bc of ammo eco. one wave frame swipe hits for 70k+
The Riskrunner Ergo Sum makes add clear / breathing room in the Verity encounter absolutely fucking deliciously divine. Even before the catty you never run out of ammo, you get to go comfort picks for smacking the shit outta the unstops, no one else is worrying about being overrun because everything is dead.
there are like 2 enemies that spawn in verity. even on day 1 the combat wasn’t a threat
Idk if its a bug, but the perk won't attack the exploding hive thralls
@@aquativity2907did a normal se run the other day and a chick killed herself if she was teleported inside because she could not stay alive in solo rooms. She was a conq x6.
What frame you recommend for Riskrunner Ergo, Wave or Caster ?
@@brunogonzales3752i really like waveframe. It makes the add clear even better
I don't know what ungodly spaghetti code allows wolfpack rounds to work with relentless strikes but I enjoy that interaction very much
Whirlwind blade as well.
probably the same code that allowed chill clip rockets to instafreeze and shatter bosses. hopefully it stays this time
@@nightismonochromethat also reduced chunk calculation and lowered team dps.
When the programming is object oriented
@@Alckee6904I sure do love unintended damage increases!
Something I found during my own testing is that Song of Flame allows a Perfect Fifth ignition on every heavy due to the innate scorch stacks on Solar hits. This lets you effectively have Ember of Ashes while Transcendant. Might be something worth testing in terms of overall DPS with it.
Has Perfect Fifth been tested on Solar Song of Flame with Ember of Ashes? Curious if you could increase the number of Ignitions over the course of the reserves or if you could possibly trigger multiple Ignitions per Heavy Attack.
Kept 50 in my vault in preparation for this video
You are Invaluable to the destiny community man, I thank you for all the time you spent testing everything and crunching numbers
Perfect, my opinion has revealed itself.
Hey, I was waiting for you to talk about Ergo Sum but I wasn't expecting a full 28min video about it. Can't wait to finish this one.
Glad I deleted the godroll Ergo Sum on the assumption that caster-frames were still bad :) back to Overthrow!
Thanks for the useful video dude! I normally don’t comment on videos, but you put so much effort into this for the community, I wanted to show what appreciation I can through liking and commenting. Your sacrifice is appreciated.
I'm subscribing not just because the analysis was good, but also because you used :3 and haiii in the in-game chat. I know a kindred spirit when I see one.
:3
Bro your channel is on the come up. Never knew I was such a number nerd for Destiny.
Thank you very much for the time and effort you spent testing this out. I will definitely be farming for that top tier role, and now I know what to look for thanks to you. I know I speak for many guardians when I say that.
It's actually crazy how dedicated to this you were, but then it all payed off.
omg :3 another ellie :3 amazing :3
Kinda crazy to think we’re in a special ammo dps meta. I mean ergo, still hunt, euphony.
not the first time. new light.
@@r3mxd I know it’s not the first time. But I don’t think there’s been an exclusive meta where you are just using special weapons to kill if I remember correctly. Double slug meta was always with anarchy tractor.
There was a very specific use case with Calus and Coldheart in the first Leviathan raid, but that is all I can think of. When Merciless and the Ikelos shotgun were best in slot for damage, they were still heavy weapons.
@@Nautilus_pilot forgot about that ngl
Respect for the amount of effort you put in this video.
Top quality and informative content as usual 🙏
Thank you for existing in the destiny 2 community my man. You just saved me tons of pondering and vault space
Awesome testing, thanks a ton. I knew my caster polaris felt strong, its great to see the numbers. I will vouch for traveler's chosen though! With volatile rounds on grenade kill & lucent blade stacking, it's super easy to hit 10 stacks, swap to refill your grenade, and repeat. Very powerful ad clear choice that rivals pre-nerf chain reaction forbearance. Obviously, ad clear is a dime a dozen, but if you wanted to use this thing specifically *for* ad clear, its a great choice!
a caster frame having the best dps in the game is the last thing i expected to learn from this video
Awesome video! Subscribed
I will say, even on PC these numbers can be hard to read on RUclips if I'm not in fullscreen 9:10
I like how the video starts with you peacefully running along, then a hive knight hits you and you spin around like: "Really? In the middle of MY Pale Heart exploration?"
LMAO
Your obsession earned my sub, sometimes what if consumes you... And this I have found somebody who's answering the questions I want answered but I don't have the time to pursue myself. Welcome to my feed
Most underrated creator this game has ever seen, you’ve got people reading an article and getting hella views, this guy puts his sanity on the line to bring us content like this! (Ps where’s a good solo dps test boss? Dungeons are cooking me solo and the lost sector cabal on nesús died in one punch)
Shuro Chi might be the next easiest if you don't want to fight Dungeon Greg
@@zeroshadowzs You can't get to DPS solo on that I'm pretty sure, also she and Kalli take more headshot damage than most combatants. Maybe one of the exotic mission bosses or smth?
I'm proud to say that i was in your fireteam when you pulled the last ergo you needed o7
Wave frame cloudstrike is slept on af
When it comes to damage and testing there’s no one who does this better and with such depth.
My only hope is the slight rollback of the particular relative damage changes are the last thing they change with these. I don't envy your efforts to re-test everything, with both the activity changes AND the entire sandbox (except rockets) getting combatant modifier changes at the same time.
I will note, if you want good dps with wolfpack rounds, avoid wave frame as you end up in the air and you'll lose dps if you get knocked back. Lightweight is definitely the best option for wolfpack. The more grounded you are, the easier it is to keep that dps up
Finally my opinion has returned
THIS is why I saved every roll I got. Love your work x
There is a special place of Ergo Sum in PvP with Wave Frame and Arc Conductor because it allows the follow up strike in PvP to one shot thanks to Arc Conductor's activation on Ergo Sum
So glad I held on to all my ergo rolls now. I have a Perfect Fifth, Jagged, Swordmasters, Caster.
Im just glad i kept the six egos sums i had, i knew not to delete them till someone made a video on the god roll. I checked my vault during this video and i was happy to see i had the god roll
This video would benefit enormously from showing the damage test on Riven. Also does the caster frame perfect fifth require Wolfpack round buffing + transcendence to reach that damage level? What is it like without it?
Yeah requires both, mid without it
I LOVE WHEN AEGIS UPLOADS STEAMHAPPY
I know you're trying a million things, but I really recommend trying Sacred Flame / Ticuu's Divination perk with the wave frame. I have a godroll one, Jagged Edge and Swordmaster Guard, and it is a MONSTER, even against packs of orange bars in underlevel content.
I have one! It's being tested soon
@Aegis Okay. I love everything but…. The risk runner one blew my expectations away. In 4th encounter salvations edge (or really everywhere but final boss) with a wave frame roll went unbelievably hard because of how many red bars got one shot by the lightning after the wave(because it’s activated on heavy attack NOT taking arc damage). I would wave swing then light attack lunge(which is a free attack with this archetype) on the bigger guys meanwhile everything was dying to the arcing because it didn’t have a limit on how many it could hit at once
Can confirm I used the same roll in the day one raid, it went hard. Also the ammo economy is insane with the artifact this season. Getting three kills means each heavy only costs one ammo. And if you get lucky and get kills with the arc conduction after the initial swing it can generate more than that on a single swing
I might reconsider it if the DR is high enough
Vortex telesto is so satisfying, especiially if you spin right on top of an enemy and every bolt hits em.
Any update on how Polaris Caster functions with other ignition sources. like a second person using it, or song of flame?
Will test soon!
Note for travelers chosen. I have a arc one and ive been using it with arc hunter. Ascension kills give the gathering light stacks, not sure if other abilities do too.
Ascension counts as sword damage or something from what I've heard it's really weird
We appreciate the work you do. Please pace yourself, and don't forget to rest. 🙏
my question is, does it stack with a fire team? like can we all run 5 of these and one gally sword?
Will test soon
More info on Colony perk on Ergo Sum. It doesn't share your weapon's affinity, it does kinetic damage.
Even if your Ergo Sum is Void you cannot proc something like Nezerec's Sin with the insectoid.
Making it even less desirable.
Amazing
Arc conductor is actually juicy. I saw someone use a waveframe arc conductor in salvations edge on master for the first challenge. Dude popped it once and shit was melting around him as he was running to plates
Not me casually checking my ergo sum rolls stashed in my vault waiting for video like this and having a jagged edge, swordmaster guard, caster, perfect fifth just sitting there. Now if Bungie can patch it so we get full transcendence from rally flags that would be awesome. .
I haven't even used this sword other than for wolfpacks on Herald and Crota. That's how good it is just based on that.
I’m actually so upset that Aggressive frames don’t get Pack Hunter. It has to be a bug… right?
Probably
I sure do love my Wave Frame Void Gally Ergo while im running Gyrfalcons. Explosions for weeks!
Wow, thank you so much for doing this! Can finally filter down my collection
Has nothing to do with the damage testing but Ergo Sum is the perfect example of Bungie doing things that make no sense.
This thing has so many unique combinations that depending on what you like and what you want to do you could keep 10-20 of these things alone on top of EVERYTHING else that is new like exotic weapons, exotic armor that includes class items that have the same situation as this sword, weapons including many craftables, unique armor that has perks that lend to they want you to keep them and use them… all only here at launch BTW… and you get 100 new vault space for the whole year.
That’s absolutely mind boggling.
Unyielding dedication 🎉. You're a legend man
YAY! HE'S FINALLY BACK!
21:22 Stronghold Solar/Strand/Prismatic Titans: 😈
I use riskrunner sword in the first encounter of salvations edge. It does pretty good in there for clearing the rooms
My GOAT has returned. Would you do a DPS rotation update specifically on each class? Hunters get nighthawk still hunt but what about other classes?
Yeah
The sword that spawns the void bombs and the solar 5 hit also get Wolfpack. So you only need 1 and they all become effect debuff spamming monsters
i have over 40 of these swords and not one has dropped with the perfect fifth perk. brutal.
It's so shame not to be able to attune the Ergo sum roll you want!
I'm struggling almost every day to get the damn wave frame arc Ergo...
But I'm only getting irrelevant rolls..
I look at the one Ergo Sum I currently have, and it's got jagged swordmasters Polaris caster. Nice to know I don't need another Ergo Sum ever again
so happy i had the polaris caster frame in my vault, i had been deleting some at random cause im a dumbass but luckily i saved this one
Using perfect fifth caster with dawn chorus just makes me feel like a pocket daybreak
I've been saving rolls the last couple weeks and I had 12 saved up so I finally looked up a video on what the good rolls are.... I have one perfect one and one decent one and 10 garbage ones, fuck me.
Great video though
edit: also where do you test dps at? I'd like to test a few things in my own builds but idk what the current best spot to test is
I test swords on Riven nowadays
I really appreciate your work on this video
so is perfect fifth so strong that you should five-stack it (assuming #6 is bringing wolfpack), even though the scorches overlap? and if not, what's the next-best option -- a different ergo sum, or a heavy sword?
Will test soon
You should consider putting some of the perks on screen so we can screenshot them
Now that whirlwind blade got that indirect buff, do you think the charge rate buff on Nasreddin's field tested can significantly impact its total damage?
Charge rate shouldn't affect total, why?
@@TheAegisRelic Well in the sense of field tested giving charge rate, eliminating the need for lucent blade and you can have reserve mods in its place. Considering they are also removing reserve swapping, I think it's at least worth trying...
Although I also think it's unlikely to have a big effect, seeing how much you need to do to have a full 5 stack of field tested
i was doing a run of crotas with my friends a bit back when the sword came out, i had a caster cloudstrike roll, and i ended up doing over 7mil dmg w just that sword, its literally insane
Do you mean Riskrunner, not Cloudstrike?
@@TheAegisRelic i remember it being cloudstrike, every three hits i was doing lightning on the ground bc i was proccing stormbringer
The currently available version of the Destiny 2: Boss Damage spreadsheet is pretty different from the one in the video. I wanted to look up the numbers in the spreadsheet but there is no entry right now for Ergo Sum caster frame with Perfect Fifth....
Testing is being updated but the old numbers should still be correct, I just wanted to do more testing in-depth
@@TheAegisRelic I can't find even the old numbers for ergo sum caster perfect fifth anywhere in the current sheet, am I just not looking in the right place? I've looked through all the tabs... I understand it may all just be in process and I'll check back later
Yeah I've removed them in case they are not accurate in full fireteam settings with scaling
The thumbnail at the 3:46 timestamp is a bit of fanservice. But anyways, much awaited info, we salute you!
Do you actually need swordmaster? Last I heard all it does is make your ability charge faster after the two second delay, but your heavy does the same damage as long as you have 1% charge
It makes your charge start earlier too
Lol, I've been using a perfect fifth and caster frame with swordmaster and jagged edge roll for the past couple of weeks and come to find out it's the best sword in the game.
If you ever make merch, your phrase is Absolutely Excellent
for the caster frame argo sum, is the heavy attack the charged heavy attack? or a heavy non charged attack. so would it be 1 heavy attack and then 2 lights, and then wait for the recharge?
Charged
Did a casual run now and got a perfect fifth caster frame. Enough Rng for this month
I think song of flame adds scorch to solar weapons so that might be a good alternative to the scorch fragment since you lose that by running prismatic instead of solar
Is a lightweight version still close to the caster frame god roll? Want yo know if it’s worth using vs bequest
I'm testing it soon
Great informative video, appreciate the grind👍
Imo travelers chosen is useful because it’s like the travelers chosen sidearm but can be switched off for double special
That's not really that useful though lol
super helpful video, would be interested to see how much the DPS on caster polaris increases with ember of ashes + dawn chorus warlock
Testing soon!
at 7:32 when you noticed that you had to kill the buddy shank 😂😂😂
So happy I didn’t dismantle the caster frame Polaris sword I got this morning 😂
Respect for grinding out that many rolls. Insane that we live in a world where caster is the best option to go with
Are you light attacking between heavys with the caster for DPS?
Yep!
When you say pack hunter do you mean “Wolfpack rounds” or is their a pack hunter trait, ?
Yeah
Bro i got caster frame with jagged edge polaris from the mission, all i need is a wolfpack role. Lets gooooo
Great breakdown - thanks for the work!
This video earned the sub. Great work bro. You probably know more about the sword than bungie at thia point 😂😂😂
I have farmed 30+ ergo sums. But have yet to get a single telesto sword. :[
Can u show us the caster frame polar lance sword dps because I’m wondering why like
I'll include it in the rotation ranking this season
Always hype when aegis drops a vid
ok completely unrelated question
i have an enhanced eager edge slammer as well, and i gotta ask…
how tf are you moving so fast 😭
i do the same thing as u and i’m 10x slower
can we get an aegis movement guide lmao?
There are plenty of skating guides online but the basis of sword movement in Destiny is swapping off your sword after swinging or using some sort of animation to cancel the swing end so that you don't cut your speed
@@TheAegisRelic yeah i do that, but somehow u doing it just is-or at least seems-a heck of a lot faster
so @theageisrelic i watch 2 time this vid. and i dont know do i delete my perfect fifth sword if i dont have caster frame, i have lightweight and aggressive with that perk and now i dont know what to do with them, i must test myself and im lazy, lol, but caster wont drop to me and i f... reset vendor ghost 4 time
Main thing with the caster/perfect fifth roll is that the perfect fifth explosion occurs after 5 hits. Caster frames do 10 hits per heavy attack meaning you get 2 explosions per heavy attack. Additionally, these explosions deal scorch (I think 40+20 scorch similar to polaris, but not certain) so you get an ignition either every heavy attack (if you have ember of ashes) or every other heavy attack which do a good bit of damage.
Lightweights attack pretty quickly, so the lightweight roll might not be the worst for perfect fifth procs.
Keep them for now, I'm testing more soon!
Awesome video again aegis keep it up ❤
Why Polaris/Perfect 5th caster over wave frame?
Testing wave soon, I've heard caster is better
How much does having caster frame matter for The Perfect fifth compared to a wave frame? Did you not get a wave frame to test with or does caster frame perform better specifically with perfect fifth. Thank you for the great breakdown of this sword. Part of me hopes they fix whatever weird stuff is going on with wolfpack + perfect fifth to make it literally better than heavy ammo swords
I'll test other frames with Polaris soon
one thing for cloudstrike
it is cool as fuck, me and 2 friends doing the first run and getting our first swords, me waveframe but colony, other friend had polaris aggressive I believe, last one had caster cloudstrike and it was cool as hell just deleting waves of ads
obvious I agree it not being useful in lategame stuff, but still kinda cool so im glad I eventually got one.
Does the cat really play into it? Haven't bothered with the GM yet and not really keen on LFGing it
Nah it's just for ammo
@@TheAegisRelic Perfect, thanks homie appreciate all you're doing for the community