Corrections: - Lightweight light attacks do the same damage as adaptive light attacks, my own data shows this but I thought otherwise for some reason - Apparently some archetypes of Ergo Sum are buffed differently by Transcendence, I will test soon and leave results here - More options like Telesto aggressive and Polaris vortex will be added soon as well
Someone mentioned some archetypes/frames gain 21%, some 51. Aggressive Vortex and …possibly caster being the higher ones. Maybe not aggressive. Vortex being relatively strong even with ammo consumption considered. Some such.
Hey question! What’s up with the aerial goldtusk combo in the spreadsheet? Is it that its dps is high- yet unreliable(depending on boss)? I remember it being mentioned as no longer good long ago and was just wanting to confirm
Also one other thing- I watched this one sword dps testing video by a content creator named CptZepos and he uses DDT for his testing and comes to conclusion for all legendary swords, the best dps and total dmg involves combos that Involve light and heavy attacks across all frames, but in certain cases and listings it is said “light spam only”, what is best? Light heavy combos (respective to the swords frame) or light only , specifically on legendary swords.
@@north9372 I always thought it was one of those things where when executed could technically produce high results but input and application can be awkward, some bosses don’t cooperate as nice, and the lasagna code can sometimes just not count stuff that should’ve hit even though you did everything right. I’ve often seen it chalked as “complicated” as a choice because chances are you’re better off just going with a “normal sword” attack cadence because there’s just not really a ton of situations physically in the game where you really need to overthink a sword, let alone something that shines from a particular attack input.
I know that this was hell for you to grind, but if there was ANYTHING in TFS that we needed rigorous testing on, it was Ergo Sum. There's just too many combinations to get straight answers on "what is best" for players that only have access to like a handful of rolls each. So your sacrifice is much much appreciated here
I personally like the Colony + Aggressive or Riskrunner + Lightweight combo, but I've been using it in light content like Overthrow, Standard Breach Executable, Advanced Nightfall, Strikes, Gambit, etc rather than actual boss damage.
It's not, add the 5% dmg boost from trancendance to the others swords and they'll beat Ergo... barely. With really hard to activate perks for dps (surrounded) it's mostly semantics, but Ergo is not the highest dps sword
@@dratoriasgaming9935 He mentioned in the vid that he isn't adding the transcendent dmg on the non-Ergo Sum swords. His reasoning for using it with Ergo Sum and not other swords was that "You're supposed to use Ergo Sum with transcendent"
@@gamingoverlord8854 I'll point out that surrounded is a super inconsistent damage perk, as you need to be able to keep enemies around you without killing them too quickly. Whirlwind blade is the easiest to keep up
all of yall are incorrect, wave frame ergo is highest dps sword. it just doesnt have the sustainable total damage bc of ammo eco. one wave frame swipe hits for 70k+
Something I found during my own testing is that Song of Flame allows a Perfect Fifth ignition on every heavy due to the innate scorch stacks on Solar hits. This lets you effectively have Ember of Ashes while Transcendant. Might be something worth testing in terms of overall DPS with it.
Has Perfect Fifth been tested on Solar Song of Flame with Ember of Ashes? Curious if you could increase the number of Ignitions over the course of the reserves or if you could possibly trigger multiple Ignitions per Heavy Attack.
No clue if this is relevant but I'm pretty sure the new arc hunter aspect counts as sword damage. It inherits the perks that you have on your equipped swords while you're holding them. If you have demo on your sword it will give grenade energy back if you kill enemies with the spin. It inherits chain reaction from swords. It grants a stack to whirlwind blade on hit. It inherits Ergo Sum's stormbringer and insectoid robot grenades. If you're holding a sword and spin it will work for bait and switch. It doesn't spawn wolfpack rounds though.
watching this video going through the 10 ergo sums i have. hearing you say the 2 best swords at the end of the video and having those exact same rolls maade me insanely relieved. thank you aegis for another insightful video!
When I found out Perfect Fifth procs with multihits I was expecting caster or vortex frames to be on top immediately, caster's ammo efficiency and being able to proc it from a significant distance gives it a good bit of flexibility over other frames as well.
@@AARONMACKENZIE it doesn't proc multiple times with cold steel? Thats a shame. How about with whirlwind blade? do you get max stacks after 1 heavy then?
Arc conductor wave is super fun to use in anything legend or lower. Fast clearing and crazy ability spam through transcendence. But in master or GM you’ll just die.
Your not immortal but you can run the normal hunter prismatic build with dome grenade and slow shade step and you go invisible and just walk around and get free kills even in master Nightfall
@@kyeda ItsTizzy literally did day 1 raid with lightningSurge felwinter combo. You can do high end content with melee builds/close builds just fine > as long as you know what you're doing and build around it lol. I've been using this with WaveConductor sword since tfs dropped practically lol. Got it on day 2
thank you for your service and the ludicrous amount of time invested to tell us this. Seriously, this is huge info dump and you have to test it to find it.
Thanks for the useful video dude! I normally don’t comment on videos, but you put so much effort into this for the community, I wanted to show what appreciation I can through liking and commenting. Your sacrifice is appreciated.
Thank you very much for the time and effort you spent testing this out. I will definitely be farming for that top tier role, and now I know what to look for thanks to you. I know I speak for many guardians when I say that.
I tested the caster specifically for the overall stacked test and the results checked out but as for specific values without Pack etc. I'm not 100%, I think I tested with a lightweight for the base values
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Thank god I decided to watch this video before getting on a clearing my inventory, I totally would've deleted my caster fram perfect fifth, you sir have saved me a lot of heartache
thanks to your video, i actually bothered to do the GM excision and found a wolfpack godroll. ima try get a perfect fifth godroll now. thanks for your time and effort man, its been a huge help.
Awesome testing, thanks a ton. I knew my caster polaris felt strong, its great to see the numbers. I will vouch for traveler's chosen though! With volatile rounds on grenade kill & lucent blade stacking, it's super easy to hit 10 stacks, swap to refill your grenade, and repeat. Very powerful ad clear choice that rivals pre-nerf chain reaction forbearance. Obviously, ad clear is a dime a dozen, but if you wanted to use this thing specifically *for* ad clear, its a great choice!
That's amazing content, dude! And you have no idea how happy I was when you said Polaris Caster was the best boss dps roll. I just dropped one with jagged and sword master guard. I'm set for this thing.
The best part of the video, and the thing that makes damage numbers tangible is the damage test. Idk if when that happens people just skip to the damage test and that’s why you didn’t include it, but personally, I’d love it if you could include one in these types of videos. (Also a full phase against Templar or Greg is better than testing individual numbers on Nessus lost sectors) Anyway, thanks for the info, love your vids!!!
Whelp I'm keeping at least 3-4 in my loadout I think forever or as long as I'm using Prismatic. Arc Conductor and Sacred Flame Wave frame for add clear and overall fun, Wolfpack Lightweight (Void for Falling G match or Arc for Summum or Goldtusk), and the Caster 5th. Managed to get them all sacrificing some brain cells but man is it fun. Between the shiny BRAVE weapons last "season" and random roll exotics with Ergo Sum and the class items, farming for weapons actually feels semi rewarding when you finally get the roll you wanted.
Another thing to note, is that the Caster Frame Polaris sword can be used on solar aswell with ember of ashes each Heavy attack causes an ignition. It won;t be the best for main dps, but as a swap (Like witherhoard) it does more than most options including withhoard.
The first ESum roll I got-as a reward from the quest-is a caster + sacred flame (ticuus). Been playing with Stronghold and loving it. Depending on how the Perfect Fifth perk activates I might switch to that when I get one, but my current build may be the last I ever use, more or less. A special ammo weapon for Stronghold just made it so much more comfortable and flexible, you don’t need a sword in your heavy slot. I can’t die, the gameplay loop is fun, the caster projectile can hit stuff at range (my Supremacy also can), I can have whatever legendary heavy I want, and special finishers do perfectly fine for maintaining ammo. I haven’t done very hard content with it yet but I don’t really like the master difficulty level anyway.
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@@r3mxd I know it’s not the first time. But I don’t think there’s been an exclusive meta where you are just using special weapons to kill if I remember correctly. Double slug meta was always with anarchy tractor.
There was a very specific use case with Calus and Coldheart in the first Leviathan raid, but that is all I can think of. When Merciless and the Ikelos shotgun were best in slot for damage, they were still heavy weapons.
I’ve never bothered with this exotic because I was never a fan of swords. . Until this video, this weapon is actual insane epically in Transcendence, my friends are looking at my load out & calling me insane because I’m rocking double swords with Wolfpack rounds & putting out insane DPS 😂 you have my like & subscribe quality video. 🔥
Im just glad i kept the six egos sums i had, i knew not to delete them till someone made a video on the god roll. I checked my vault during this video and i was happy to see i had the god roll
I like how the video starts with you peacefully running along, then a hive knight hits you and you spin around like: "Really? In the middle of MY Pale Heart exploration?"
Hey have you tried spamming heavy attack on perfect 5th vortex frame ergo sum? Even with no sword energy perk still activates but because it has no energy spin only consumes 1 ammo. I don't know how it compares to other options but it has way better ammo efficiency compared to 5L1H combo and might be usable for boss dps or at the very least against majors or champions.
There is a special place of Ergo Sum in PvP with Wave Frame and Arc Conductor because it allows the follow up strike in PvP to one shot thanks to Arc Conductor's activation on Ergo Sum
Really nice video ^^ such a chill vibe which is refreshing compared to other Destiny creators who are loud and flashy haha, also nice title, made me click the vid
I did some pretty non-rigorous testing and math on wave ergo sum, and it does about triple forbearance's damage per wave. With the infinite ammo from transcendence and the fact that a gally ergo is pretty much just a utility weapon, I've found myself to have great success using it when swords are viable as a forbearance at home. Definitely don't sleep on the add clear potential of a wave frame with infinite ammo and less range in exchange, since if you can use a wave frame to kill red bars, you can survive being up close to them
The Witness notices your efforts. I'd been checking in with the spreadsheet every now and then and honestly thought you'd just forgot Ember of Ashes on that Perfect Fifth column LOLOLOL
Note for travelers chosen. I have a arc one and ive been using it with arc hunter. Ascension kills give the gathering light stacks, not sure if other abilities do too.
Most underrated creator this game has ever seen, you’ve got people reading an article and getting hella views, this guy puts his sanity on the line to bring us content like this! (Ps where’s a good solo dps test boss? Dungeons are cooking me solo and the lost sector cabal on nesús died in one punch)
@@zeroshadowzs You can't get to DPS solo on that I'm pretty sure, also she and Kalli take more headshot damage than most combatants. Maybe one of the exotic mission bosses or smth?
Great work, but I think you missed a beat with the Telesto swords. Each archetype has a different number and spread of Telesto bolts. Lightweight was by far the best and would be worth trying for DPS. It gives you 8 or 9 bolts right in front of your heavy attack (aim down to place them closer to your feet), so it is very easy to get them all to proc on your target. Which also gives it some great utility against constructs, such as clearing a blight in a single heavy attack (again, aim down at the base so the bolts hit your target). Vortex generates the most at 11 or 12, but sprays them around you like a minefield. Caster gave you just 4 or 5. Waveframe was 5 or 6, but they would appear at the end of a wave and usually go right past my DPS target, doing no damage. It was by far the worst frame for Telesto. I can't remember Aggressive, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't as good as Lightweight. I think fewer bolts and they just sprinkled around your heavy impact, making them less consistent. I would at least try a Lightweight before writing off the Telestos.
My only hope is the slight rollback of the particular relative damage changes are the last thing they change with these. I don't envy your efforts to re-test everything, with both the activity changes AND the entire sandbox (except rockets) getting combatant modifier changes at the same time.
I think there is a unique interaction with arc conductor and stormbringer with ascension aspect that if you have it in hand and do ascension it will proc the sword perk as well.
I still have an old Crown-Splitter with Relentless Strikes + Whirlwind and god damn does this thing chunk now, not like it didn't before, it always was my favourite to use on say crota, but it's just so much more consistent now. Similar situation with the Goldtusk for Hunters, though it at least already attacked relaly fast before, simply spamming light attacks is amazing on it though.
Maybe I missed it (my mistake if I did), but I couldn't tell how much better the perfect 5th caster frame was vs other frames like Wave (which I thought you mentioned was better earlier in the video). I'm assuming it's better, but I can't seem to find the difference.
Appreciate all the research and time you spent, thanks very much, would be curious to see a new total damage number with the catalyst for caster Polaris if that's possible at all. Thanks for all the info!!
@Aegis Okay. I love everything but…. The risk runner one blew my expectations away. In 4th encounter salvations edge (or really everywhere but final boss) with a wave frame roll went unbelievably hard because of how many red bars got one shot by the lightning after the wave(because it’s activated on heavy attack NOT taking arc damage). I would wave swing then light attack lunge(which is a free attack with this archetype) on the bigger guys meanwhile everything was dying to the arcing because it didn’t have a limit on how many it could hit at once
Can confirm I used the same roll in the day one raid, it went hard. Also the ammo economy is insane with the artifact this season. Getting three kills means each heavy only costs one ammo. And if you get lucky and get kills with the arc conduction after the initial swing it can generate more than that on a single swing
Would love to see a video going over all of the new legendary weapon rolls in TFS like how you did in S23 Aegis. That video was very informative and I would love to see another one
Not me casually checking my ergo sum rolls stashed in my vault waiting for video like this and having a jagged edge, swordmaster guard, caster, perfect fifth just sitting there. Now if Bungie can patch it so we get full transcendence from rally flags that would be awesome. .
@TheAegisRelic I've got a sleaper damage strat that I don't think was fully considered in your testing with the way perfect fifth procs. I've used it to great effect on tougher yellow bars and have gotten fantastic damage on bosses with it, but I've not done the math to see which it favors more though I know the math is impressive nonetheless. I know you outlined why vortex powered heavy attacks are pretty not worth it, but unpowered heavy attacks on a vortex frame have a great interaction with perfect fifth: they still do five hits. Compare to something like a caster frame that a powered heavy does five and an unpowered does one hit, this is a pretty significant difference. Factor in that an unpowered heavy attack on a vortex only uses *one* ammunition... see where I'm going? haha. Start with a powered heavy and then just spam heavy the whole time. This also opens you up from needing 3x Lucent and swordmaster's guard, making this a much more easily available weapon/loadout as well since the ammo cost of powered heavy vortex attacks is undesired. Now you can grab something like heavy guard to help utility/survivability against boss stomps and attacks. heck, you can even pop guard to use heavy charge then just spam heavy attacks, though I'm not sure the damage loss is worth saving the ammo. I've been ideating on this particular strat for a while and have been pondering that it might also be worth comparing the transcendent damage boost is better than running solar with ember of ashes/char/eruption to see which really has more damage. I doubt that it will if for no other reason than you're missing out on not just the damage boost, but also the grenade and ammunition bonus, but perfect fifth plays with solar keywords and nobody does solar keywords better than solar.
I will note, if you want good dps with wolfpack rounds, avoid wave frame as you end up in the air and you'll lose dps if you get knocked back. Lightweight is definitely the best option for wolfpack. The more grounded you are, the easier it is to keep that dps up
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Corrections:
- Lightweight light attacks do the same damage as adaptive light attacks, my own data shows this but I thought otherwise for some reason
- Apparently some archetypes of Ergo Sum are buffed differently by Transcendence, I will test soon and leave results here
- More options like Telesto aggressive and Polaris vortex will be added soon as well
Thank you for all you do, and so thoroughly.
Someone mentioned some archetypes/frames gain 21%, some 51. Aggressive Vortex and …possibly caster being the higher ones. Maybe not aggressive. Vortex being relatively strong even with ammo consumption considered. Some such.
Hey question! What’s up with the aerial goldtusk combo in the spreadsheet? Is it that its dps is high- yet unreliable(depending on boss)? I remember it being mentioned as no longer good long ago and was just wanting to confirm
Also one other thing- I watched this one sword dps testing video by a content creator named CptZepos and he uses DDT for his testing and comes to conclusion for all legendary swords, the best dps and total dmg involves combos that Involve light and heavy attacks across all frames, but in certain cases and listings it is said “light spam only”, what is best? Light heavy combos (respective to the swords frame) or light only , specifically on legendary swords.
@@north9372 I always thought it was one of those things where when executed could technically produce high results but input and application can be awkward, some bosses don’t cooperate as nice, and the lasagna code can sometimes just not count stuff that should’ve hit even though you did everything right. I’ve often seen it chalked as “complicated” as a choice because chances are you’re better off just going with a “normal sword” attack cadence because there’s just not really a ton of situations physically in the game where you really need to overthink a sword, let alone something that shines from a particular attack input.
I know that this was hell for you to grind, but if there was ANYTHING in TFS that we needed rigorous testing on, it was Ergo Sum. There's just too many combinations to get straight answers on "what is best" for players that only have access to like a handful of rolls each. So your sacrifice is much much appreciated here
I personally like the Colony + Aggressive or Riskrunner + Lightweight combo, but I've been using it in light content like Overthrow, Standard Breach Executable, Advanced Nightfall, Strikes, Gambit, etc rather than actual boss damage.
I don't know what ungodly spaghetti code allows wolfpack rounds to work with relentless strikes but I enjoy that interaction very much
Whirlwind blade as well.
probably the same code that allowed chill clip rockets to instafreeze and shatter bosses. hopefully it stays this time
@@nightismonochromethat also reduced chunk calculation and lowered team dps.
When the programming is object oriented
@@AlckeeI sure do love unintended damage increases!
Thanks for taking the time to do this. No one would have believed me if I said Ergo Sum caster frame is the highest DPS sword in the game.
It's not, add the 5% dmg boost from trancendance to the others swords and they'll beat Ergo... barely. With really hard to activate perks for dps (surrounded) it's mostly semantics, but Ergo is not the highest dps sword
@@gamingoverlord885423:04? I'm gonna assume he went transcendent on all swords.
@@dratoriasgaming9935 He mentioned in the vid that he isn't adding the transcendent dmg on the non-Ergo Sum swords. His reasoning for using it with Ergo Sum and not other swords was that "You're supposed to use Ergo Sum with transcendent"
@@gamingoverlord8854 I'll point out that surrounded is a super inconsistent damage perk, as you need to be able to keep enemies around you without killing them too quickly. Whirlwind blade is the easiest to keep up
all of yall are incorrect, wave frame ergo is highest dps sword. it just doesnt have the sustainable total damage bc of ammo eco. one wave frame swipe hits for 70k+
Every Pale Heart weapon is a banger. Even the legendary sword is really good for what it is.
False idols incandescent and chain reaction
Kept 50 in my vault in preparation for this video
You are Invaluable to the destiny community man, I thank you for all the time you spent testing everything and crunching numbers
Something I found during my own testing is that Song of Flame allows a Perfect Fifth ignition on every heavy due to the innate scorch stacks on Solar hits. This lets you effectively have Ember of Ashes while Transcendant. Might be something worth testing in terms of overall DPS with it.
Has Perfect Fifth been tested on Solar Song of Flame with Ember of Ashes? Curious if you could increase the number of Ignitions over the course of the reserves or if you could possibly trigger multiple Ignitions per Heavy Attack.
Thank you! We'd all be so clueless without you.
Perfect, my opinion has revealed itself.
Hey, I was waiting for you to talk about Ergo Sum but I wasn't expecting a full 28min video about it. Can't wait to finish this one.
No clue if this is relevant but I'm pretty sure the new arc hunter aspect counts as sword damage. It inherits the perks that you have on your equipped swords while you're holding them. If you have demo on your sword it will give grenade energy back if you kill enemies with the spin. It inherits chain reaction from swords. It grants a stack to whirlwind blade on hit. It inherits Ergo Sum's stormbringer and insectoid robot grenades. If you're holding a sword and spin it will work for bait and switch.
It doesn't spawn wolfpack rounds though.
It can also proc perks like tireless blade and fragments like spark of beacons!
Interesting
Bungie definitely knows this exist and is probably gonna get patched though, this was disabled in the raid race like facet of command was
Tempest strike used to do this
Wait what
watching this video going through the 10 ergo sums i have. hearing you say the 2 best swords at the end of the video and having those exact same rolls maade me insanely relieved. thank you aegis for another insightful video!
When I found out Perfect Fifth procs with multihits I was expecting caster or vortex frames to be on top immediately, caster's ammo efficiency and being able to proc it from a significant distance gives it a good bit of flexibility over other frames as well.
They gave us that but not the same thing for Cold Steel smh
@@life-destiny1196 Yeah, was deeply disappointed by the Vex caster with Cold Steel.
@@life-destiny1196 (that being said, wolfpacks do proc it even if the heavy doesn't)
Is vortex perfect 5th still good? I can't really see it on the sheet, was it tested?
@@AARONMACKENZIE it doesn't proc multiple times with cold steel? Thats a shame. How about with whirlwind blade? do you get max stacks after 1 heavy then?
Arc conductor wave is super fun to use in anything legend or lower. Fast clearing and crazy ability spam through transcendence. But in master or GM you’ll just die.
It's like a Forbearance that is more fun to use and way more uptime, but obviously, you need to be way closer so its ruled out from high-end content.
Your not immortal but you can run the normal hunter prismatic build with dome grenade and slow shade step and you go invisible and just walk around and get free kills even in master Nightfall
@@kyeda ItsTizzy literally did day 1 raid with lightningSurge felwinter combo. You can do high end content with melee builds/close builds just fine > as long as you know what you're doing and build around it lol. I've been using this with WaveConductor sword since tfs dropped practically lol. Got it on day 2
thank you for your service and the ludicrous amount of time invested to tell us this. Seriously, this is huge info dump and you have to test it to find it.
Glad I deleted the godroll Ergo Sum on the assumption that caster-frames were still bad :) back to Overthrow!
Thanks for the useful video dude! I normally don’t comment on videos, but you put so much effort into this for the community, I wanted to show what appreciation I can through liking and commenting. Your sacrifice is appreciated.
Thank you very much for the time and effort you spent testing this out. I will definitely be farming for that top tier role, and now I know what to look for thanks to you. I know I speak for many guardians when I say that.
Oh boy, I just started messing with this sword and this video just popped up. It's a a rabbit hole of its own, thanks for your work.
Are we sure that 51% is true for all frames? I've heard that caster/wave frame ergos don't get buffed as much during transcendant
I tested the caster specifically for the overall stacked test and the results checked out but as for specific values without Pack etc. I'm not 100%, I think I tested with a lightweight for the base values
100% convinced bungie gave us the 100 vault slots because of ergo sum and the class items
We need more than 100 extra tbh
I'm subscribing not just because the analysis was good, but also because you used :3 and haiii in the in-game chat. I know a kindred spirit when I see one.
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FINALLY!! GOOD DAMAGE TESTING
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Thank you! Glad you're enjoying the content :)
Bro your channel is on the come up. Never knew I was such a number nerd for Destiny.
Respect for the amount of effort you put in this video.
Top quality and informative content as usual 🙏
Thank god I decided to watch this video before getting on a clearing my inventory, I totally would've deleted my caster fram perfect fifth, you sir have saved me a lot of heartache
thanks to your video, i actually bothered to do the GM excision and found a wolfpack godroll. ima try get a perfect fifth godroll now. thanks for your time and effort man, its been a huge help.
just watched bro rizz up chloe for 28
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you know what sapphic means right? i don't think he is barking up the right tree there
bro doesn't know what sapphic means
Awesome testing, thanks a ton. I knew my caster polaris felt strong, its great to see the numbers. I will vouch for traveler's chosen though! With volatile rounds on grenade kill & lucent blade stacking, it's super easy to hit 10 stacks, swap to refill your grenade, and repeat. Very powerful ad clear choice that rivals pre-nerf chain reaction forbearance. Obviously, ad clear is a dime a dozen, but if you wanted to use this thing specifically *for* ad clear, its a great choice!
Thank you for existing in the destiny 2 community my man. You just saved me tons of pondering and vault space
Subbed. Awesome information and breakdown of your testing, thank you for testing all of this so I did not have to! 🙏
That's amazing content, dude! And you have no idea how happy I was when you said Polaris Caster was the best boss dps roll. I just dropped one with jagged and sword master guard. I'm set for this thing.
The best part of the video, and the thing that makes damage numbers tangible is the damage test.
Idk if when that happens people just skip to the damage test and that’s why you didn’t include it, but personally, I’d love it if you could include one in these types of videos.
(Also a full phase against Templar or Greg is better than testing individual numbers on Nessus lost sectors)
Anyway, thanks for the info, love your vids!!!
Whelp I'm keeping at least 3-4 in my loadout I think forever or as long as I'm using Prismatic.
Arc Conductor and Sacred Flame Wave frame for add clear and overall fun, Wolfpack Lightweight (Void for Falling G match or Arc for Summum or Goldtusk), and the Caster 5th. Managed to get them all sacrificing some brain cells but man is it fun.
Between the shiny BRAVE weapons last "season" and random roll exotics with Ergo Sum and the class items, farming for weapons actually feels semi rewarding when you finally get the roll you wanted.
Wave frame Sacred Flame is so good.
THIS is why I saved every roll I got. Love your work x
She ergo on my sum till my arc conducts
Shoukd become a poet
Should*
You da real MVP, appreciate all the effort you put in this and your many other excellent videos.
Man i hope u never get any google docs released about you, you are a blessing to this community.
I can promise you I don't have any dirt on me :)
I won't tell them about March 12th of 2011, don't worry your secret is safe. @@TheAegisRelic
What da hell
Why does this sound like a threat…
@@TheAegisReliccap
It's actually crazy how dedicated to this you were, but then it all payed off.
omg :3 another ellie :3 amazing :3
Another thing to note, is that the Caster Frame Polaris sword can be used on solar aswell with ember of ashes each Heavy attack causes an ignition.
It won;t be the best for main dps, but as a swap (Like witherhoard) it does more than most options including withhoard.
you sound tired man.. thanks for all the hard work, you’re invaluable to this community
I'm proud to say that i was in your fireteam when you pulled the last ergo you needed o7
I LOVE WHEN AEGIS UPLOADS STEAMHAPPY
The first ESum roll I got-as a reward from the quest-is a caster + sacred flame (ticuus). Been playing with Stronghold and loving it. Depending on how the Perfect Fifth perk activates I might switch to that when I get one, but my current build may be the last I ever use, more or less.
A special ammo weapon for Stronghold just made it so much more comfortable and flexible, you don’t need a sword in your heavy slot. I can’t die, the gameplay loop is fun, the caster projectile can hit stuff at range (my Supremacy also can), I can have whatever legendary heavy I want, and special finishers do perfectly fine for maintaining ammo. I haven’t done very hard content with it yet but I don’t really like the master difficulty level anyway.
I knew i wasn't crazy! I was telling people after i did personal testing that the caster frame perfect 5th was gonna be a dps king
Your obsession earned my sub, sometimes what if consumes you... And this I have found somebody who's answering the questions I want answered but I don't have the time to pursue myself. Welcome to my feed
Finally my opinion has returned
a caster frame having the best dps in the game is the last thing i expected to learn from this video
You couldnt make this up! I literally have what your god roll is in the vault. Caster frame, perfect 5th jagged edge, swordmasters guard. ❤
Kinda crazy to think we’re in a special ammo dps meta. I mean ergo, still hunt, euphony.
not the first time. new light.
@@r3mxd I know it’s not the first time. But I don’t think there’s been an exclusive meta where you are just using special weapons to kill if I remember correctly. Double slug meta was always with anarchy tractor.
There was a very specific use case with Calus and Coldheart in the first Leviathan raid, but that is all I can think of. When Merciless and the Ikelos shotgun were best in slot for damage, they were still heavy weapons.
@@Nautilus_pilot forgot about that ngl
I’ve never bothered with this exotic because I was never a fan of swords. . Until this video, this weapon is actual insane epically in Transcendence, my friends are looking at my load out & calling me insane because I’m rocking double swords with Wolfpack rounds & putting out insane DPS 😂 you have my like & subscribe quality video. 🔥
Wow, thank you so much for doing this! Can finally filter down my collection
Im just glad i kept the six egos sums i had, i knew not to delete them till someone made a video on the god roll. I checked my vault during this video and i was happy to see i had the god roll
who would have expected a special ammo caster frame to be topping the dps charts
I like how the video starts with you peacefully running along, then a hive knight hits you and you spin around like: "Really? In the middle of MY Pale Heart exploration?"
LMAO
Hey have you tried spamming heavy attack on perfect 5th vortex frame ergo sum? Even with no sword energy perk still activates but because it has no energy spin only consumes 1 ammo. I don't know how it compares to other options but it has way better ammo efficiency compared to 5L1H combo and might be usable for boss dps or at the very least against majors or champions.
Someone mentioned this earlier! I will try it :D
There is a special place of Ergo Sum in PvP with Wave Frame and Arc Conductor because it allows the follow up strike in PvP to one shot thanks to Arc Conductor's activation on Ergo Sum
Subbing and liking just because of the dedication to the sword grind! 👍
So glad I held on to all my ergo rolls now. I have a Perfect Fifth, Jagged, Swordmasters, Caster.
Really nice video ^^ such a chill vibe which is refreshing compared to other Destiny creators who are loud and flashy haha, also nice title, made me click the vid
I did some pretty non-rigorous testing and math on wave ergo sum, and it does about triple forbearance's damage per wave. With the infinite ammo from transcendence and the fact that a gally ergo is pretty much just a utility weapon, I've found myself to have great success using it when swords are viable as a forbearance at home. Definitely don't sleep on the add clear potential of a wave frame with infinite ammo and less range in exchange, since if you can use a wave frame to kill red bars, you can survive being up close to them
Commenting to bump this man's "Prometheus giving fire to humanity" results from Ergo Sum Hell
The Witness notices your efforts.
I'd been checking in with the spreadsheet every now and then and honestly thought you'd just forgot Ember of Ashes on that Perfect Fifth column LOLOLOL
Ember of ashes is irrelevant for ergo sum as you get significantly more damage while transcendent (which you can only do as prismatic)
@@whosurjustin good point 😅
Note for travelers chosen. I have a arc one and ive been using it with arc hunter. Ascension kills give the gathering light stacks, not sure if other abilities do too.
Ascension counts as sword damage or something from what I've heard it's really weird
Thanks for all your hard work Aegis!
You did good with the audio editing dude remember the breathing is fine everyone does it
Thanks!
Unyielding dedication 🎉. You're a legend man
Most underrated creator this game has ever seen, you’ve got people reading an article and getting hella views, this guy puts his sanity on the line to bring us content like this! (Ps where’s a good solo dps test boss? Dungeons are cooking me solo and the lost sector cabal on nesús died in one punch)
Shuro Chi might be the next easiest if you don't want to fight Dungeon Greg
@@zeroshadowzs You can't get to DPS solo on that I'm pretty sure, also she and Kalli take more headshot damage than most combatants. Maybe one of the exotic mission bosses or smth?
When it comes to damage and testing there’s no one who does this better and with such depth.
Great video and really interesting to see how much depth ergo sum has to it and then there is still hunt which is just use nigthwak and get top dps :D
I really appreciate your work on this video
Vortex telesto is so satisfying, especiially if you spin right on top of an enemy and every bolt hits em.
Awesome video! Subscribed
I will say, even on PC these numbers can be hard to read on RUclips if I'm not in fullscreen 9:10
Good god. Thank you, man. Class is in session
Any update on how Polaris Caster functions with other ignition sources. like a second person using it, or song of flame?
Will test soon!
I’m glad I kept every single one of them, I have a perfect role on one!
On vacation, checked my DIM, sees that I have the exact roll. I cant wait to get back
Great work, but I think you missed a beat with the Telesto swords. Each archetype has a different number and spread of Telesto bolts. Lightweight was by far the best and would be worth trying for DPS. It gives you 8 or 9 bolts right in front of your heavy attack (aim down to place them closer to your feet), so it is very easy to get them all to proc on your target. Which also gives it some great utility against constructs, such as clearing a blight in a single heavy attack (again, aim down at the base so the bolts hit your target). Vortex generates the most at 11 or 12, but sprays them around you like a minefield. Caster gave you just 4 or 5. Waveframe was 5 or 6, but they would appear at the end of a wave and usually go right past my DPS target, doing no damage. It was by far the worst frame for Telesto. I can't remember Aggressive, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't as good as Lightweight. I think fewer bolts and they just sprinkled around your heavy impact, making them less consistent. I would at least try a Lightweight before writing off the Telestos.
I will! More testing is underway, I've heard your and other comments loud and clear :)
@@TheAegisRelic I forgot to say "thanks", make sure you hear that!!!
Haha thank you
I sure do love my Wave Frame Void Gally Ergo while im running Gyrfalcons. Explosions for weeks!
Glad we have a trustworthy source for dmg jnfo. Thx mate
My only hope is the slight rollback of the particular relative damage changes are the last thing they change with these. I don't envy your efforts to re-test everything, with both the activity changes AND the entire sandbox (except rockets) getting combatant modifier changes at the same time.
I think there is a unique interaction with arc conductor and stormbringer with ascension aspect that if you have it in hand and do ascension it will proc the sword perk as well.
Finally put up the towel in Destiny glad your the next generation of players thank you for year 6-7
Babe wake up, Aegis posted
I still have an old Crown-Splitter with Relentless Strikes + Whirlwind and god damn does this thing chunk now, not like it didn't before, it always was my favourite to use on say crota, but it's just so much more consistent now.
Similar situation with the Goldtusk for Hunters, though it at least already attacked relaly fast before, simply spamming light attacks is amazing on it though.
Maybe I missed it (my mistake if I did), but I couldn't tell how much better the perfect 5th caster frame was vs other frames like Wave (which I thought you mentioned was better earlier in the video).
I'm assuming it's better, but I can't seem to find the difference.
Will test more soon!
@TheAegisRelic No worries at all, this is already great info. I just thought I had overlooked something haha.
Appreciate all the research and time you spent, thanks very much, would be curious to see a new total damage number with the catalyst for caster Polaris if that's possible at all.
Thanks for all the info!!
Great informative video, appreciate the grind👍
@Aegis Okay. I love everything but…. The risk runner one blew my expectations away. In 4th encounter salvations edge (or really everywhere but final boss) with a wave frame roll went unbelievably hard because of how many red bars got one shot by the lightning after the wave(because it’s activated on heavy attack NOT taking arc damage). I would wave swing then light attack lunge(which is a free attack with this archetype) on the bigger guys meanwhile everything was dying to the arcing because it didn’t have a limit on how many it could hit at once
Can confirm I used the same roll in the day one raid, it went hard. Also the ammo economy is insane with the artifact this season. Getting three kills means each heavy only costs one ammo. And if you get lucky and get kills with the arc conduction after the initial swing it can generate more than that on a single swing
I might reconsider it if the DR is high enough
Would love to see a video going over all of the new legendary weapon rolls in TFS like how you did in S23 Aegis. That video was very informative and I would love to see another one
Will be coming soonish
Not me casually checking my ergo sum rolls stashed in my vault waiting for video like this and having a jagged edge, swordmaster guard, caster, perfect fifth just sitting there. Now if Bungie can patch it so we get full transcendence from rally flags that would be awesome. .
@TheAegisRelic
I've got a sleaper damage strat that I don't think was fully considered in your testing with the way perfect fifth procs. I've used it to great effect on tougher yellow bars and have gotten fantastic damage on bosses with it, but I've not done the math to see which it favors more though I know the math is impressive nonetheless. I know you outlined why vortex powered heavy attacks are pretty not worth it, but unpowered heavy attacks on a vortex frame have a great interaction with perfect fifth: they still do five hits. Compare to something like a caster frame that a powered heavy does five and an unpowered does one hit, this is a pretty significant difference. Factor in that an unpowered heavy attack on a vortex only uses *one* ammunition... see where I'm going? haha. Start with a powered heavy and then just spam heavy the whole time.
This also opens you up from needing 3x Lucent and swordmaster's guard, making this a much more easily available weapon/loadout as well since the ammo cost of powered heavy vortex attacks is undesired. Now you can grab something like heavy guard to help utility/survivability against boss stomps and attacks. heck, you can even pop guard to use heavy charge then just spam heavy attacks, though I'm not sure the damage loss is worth saving the ammo.
I've been ideating on this particular strat for a while and have been pondering that it might also be worth comparing the transcendent damage boost is better than running solar with ember of ashes/char/eruption to see which really has more damage. I doubt that it will if for no other reason than you're missing out on not just the damage boost, but also the grenade and ammunition bonus, but perfect fifth plays with solar keywords and nobody does solar keywords better than solar.
I'll try it out!
Great breakdown - thanks for the work!
The eye contact with the knight at the start was cute
We appreciate the work you do. Please pace yourself, and don't forget to rest. 🙏
I will note, if you want good dps with wolfpack rounds, avoid wave frame as you end up in the air and you'll lose dps if you get knocked back. Lightweight is definitely the best option for wolfpack. The more grounded you are, the easier it is to keep that dps up
I look at the one Ergo Sum I currently have, and it's got jagged swordmasters Polaris caster. Nice to know I don't need another Ergo Sum ever again
Really glad I got both of them within my first ten drops