I was someone that was on ozempic, or one of their sister brands to be honest. It felt so great to not feel hungry, to only be able to eat small portion so I don’t get sick, like my thin friends… It felt virteus. Even getting sick, throwing up every day was something i veiwed as making me a better person… I’m not smart, don’t have a job worth braging about, quite ugly and fat. And this kinda gave me hope that now, maybe, I could have something; thinnes. I’ve been off it a year now, as my prescription ran out and I could not afford the price. Getting off it felt terrible, the hunger hit me like a brick, and all the compliments I got from friends and family stopped. I haven’t really gained the weight as I found out I have some other medical issues that incrised my weight gain, and I remain stable, not losing or gaining. It’s a bit weird getting so personal in a RUclips comment section, but I felt like sharing, to not be sitting so alone with this. Thank you
i feel this so hard. i dont have ozempic experience but my weight has fluctuated throughout the years to where i have relatives "complimenting" my body, usually at points when im super stressed out and not the healthiest. its really weird to go from compliments like that to nothing because it leaves you with the feeling that they are still surveilling ur body but dont have a compliment for u anymore
so appreciate that you told us what it's really like from your own personal experience. I've not taken Ozempic, but the thought process of equaling eating less with virtue is painfully familiar. Wish you the best x
I haven't tried ozempic, but I feel your pain. Years ago, my doctor tried to push me on to liraglutide, which is essentially the same thing (suppresses hunger). I was scared, so I tried bulimia instead, and oh my gosh the compliments started rolling in. It felt incredible to be treated as a human. But of course, it didn't last, because it never can (you either stop or you die). So I gained it all back and then some over the pandemic, but I'm trying to find other parts of life to find joy in. I got married at my heaviest, and had a baby not too long after, and am now studying medicine. I love my life, but nothing feels quite the same as when people saw me as a human. They don't know they're doing it, but you can feel it. And I miss that inclusive feeling.
When someone mentions Ozempic to me, my first thought is diabetes. As a diabetic, this is freaking frustrating to keep up my maintenance meds when they are out of stock because of the weight loss side.
I feel like they push this dichotomy on us to get us to fight. Ozempic is cheap to make. it doses in tiny quantities. 1 55 gallon drum of it is a thousand years worth of it for one person. making more of it would be as easy as opening a couple valves. I also think if weight control could help you avoid or delay diabetes, making you wait until you get the diagnosis to get the drug is both expensive in the long term for everyone involved and cruel. saying at an a1c of 6.2 you get it covered but at 5.9 you get "wait till you're 'sick'" is messed up imo. Like...how bout we stop it now while there's still some tread on my pancreas' tires?
@@moustik31my vyvanse (elvanse here) was out of stock for months over here in Europe, at least they also have it for kids from a different manufacturer and my doctor has a license for adults and kids so was able to prescribe me the kids brand to substitute
I will say, as someone taking Zepbound (same drug as Mounjaro, just produced and marketed for weight loss), I was .1 A1C shy of a prediabetes diagnosis. I'd rather take this medication and not become diabetic, and I'm feeling well on it. Access is a struggle for everyone, but it's unfair to blame people taking it to lose weight (and avoid diabetes in the first place) when it's the companies who can't keep up with demand. Most doctors won't prescribe Ozempic or Mounjaro to non-diabetics (as those are the branded versions specifically for diabetes), and send them towards Wegovy or Zepbound, which have the allocations for obesity/every other condition that is helped by these medications. I can't help how much of one or the other the companies are making.
I know! I've always loved listening to her, and just had to rewind because missed commentary when noticed her make-up and got caught up admiring it! This duo is fabulous!
great episode, one minor correction (UGH I feel ANNOYING nitpicking this), but the Roman "vomitorium" was not a way to vomit out food, it's just a name for an aisle in a stadium where people "spew forth" after an event. Otherwise, great episode
Thank you, it annoys me greatly when people spread this misinformation. especially because it is interesting linguistically how the term Vomitorium is related to vomit in modern English, despite meaning two very different things.
@Thundermikeee I wouldn't call getting a very minor non-relevant detail wrong misinformation. Also the words vomit and vomitorium have the same root word in Latin, vomere.
The part at the end where Aubrey talks about having her blood pressure checked multiple times because the tech couldn't believe she could be in normal range... it just really hit something home for me that fat phobia affects everyone's experience in Healthcare. I am a relatively thin person and i do believe because I "look healthy" is why I could not receive adequate care for me autoimmune disease without trying multiple drs who were really willing to look at the whole picture of my health and not just what they perceived by the way I look.
they always find a way to invalidate whoever they want. if you're fat its "just lose weight" and if you "look healthy" nothing could possibly be wrong. :( im thin and i get that a lot and my friend who is fat gets everything blamed on their weight. it just sucks so much im sorry you had the same struggle 💔💔
Y'know, I would absolutely watch a SERIES of the two of y'all making content together. Without hesitation. You have such amazing energy with each other, and I'm absolutely living.
I think that a thin body is seen as a REWARD for what’s considered good character-disciplined, cares about their health, intelligent enough to know how take care of themselves, etc. But achieving a thin body through taking something like Ozempic is seen as cheating - getting the reward without having the desirable character traits/without putting in the work. When of course thin/fat bodies have little to no relation to the possession of these character traits. The mentality it just so gross.
“Shallow understanding leads to shallow acceptance” Mother is so smart. Great discussion! I’ve never heard of her before but Aubrey is such an engaging speaker.
Like my mom saw those soap ads years ago and was like yeah they got somebody my size to be on the bottle and all but like okay thanks I guess, but your soap still dries my skin out so bad that it’s painful and isn’t even vegan. There are so many options out there that don’t make me want to peel my skin off and are also vegan
wait I somehow didnt put it together until THIS COMMENT that hes supposed to be the "before" picture😭I just thought it had to be the "after" even though that doesn't make sense...
I'm pre-diabetic, I was on wagovy for 6 months and then my insurance decided to stop paying for my meds. I'm trying to appeal, but its kinda terrifying waiting. Type 2 Diabetes runs in my family. I've seen the horrors it inflicts on my loved ones, despite them doing everything "right". I eat pretty healthy and regularly exercise but I'm still here; pre-diabetic. Its kinda infuriating to hear about celebrities that have the privilege to look down on the people taking these drugs. Meanwhile, I'm here just not wanting to loose a leg in the future and have to fight so hard for that little thing.
Excuse me 😭 Are we the same person????? Except it wasn’t wegovy that they stopped. I forgot which one it was. But I 100% understand what you’ve been through and are going through. My dad and uncle & cousin are diabetic, (all different though). My dad is on Ozempic though, and he was having trouble getting it. I’m on wegovy for weight loss, and for my eating stuff. Also I’m sorry that ur going through that, but i’m glad to feel seen.
i was prediabetic since i was 10, last year at age 29 it tipped into type 2. i knew immediately by how i felt honestly. i was able to control it and push it back into prediabetic range, but it was really hard and i ONLY managed bc of medication. i hope things work out for you.
this happened to me as well!! It had only been a month bc of how long it took for insurance to approve it. But it’s SO frustrating to see how easy it is for these rich people do get it and take it from us who need it. :( Hoping that we can both get the medicine that we need soon!! also ty for your comment, it’s nice to see we’re not alone in this!!!
and the insurance companies are already trying to justify their decision by pouring to the weight loss side of prescribing. that’s discriminatory and awful. i’m so sorry.
I have been listening to maintenance phase since 2021 and am subscribed to the patreon and I now realize I have never actually seen Aubrey's face before now. Wild.
get your hands on her documentary asap, I'm also a patreon subscriber and cannot tell you how wonderful it was to spend 90 minutes in the cinema on that journey and putting a face to the sounds of her wonderful laugh!
omg my wife and I went to a wedding show and there was a clinic there advertising Wegovy and Ozempic injections to help you lose weight to fit your dress and we were like UMMM?!
as a fat person who worked in a weight loss clinic i have a looooot of thoughts on this. big agree with everything you both said. it was so crazy and sad to hear the way patients would talk abounded their own bodies especially as i watched them change. very indicative of how society still views fat people as a whole. i worked there for 2 years and had initially considered getting bariatric surgery with one of our surgeons but after i started therapy i realized it wasn't something i needed in order to love my body. it was wild to me tho how bold some of the patients were in their comments to me and my body. i got lots of assumptions that i just HAD to be working up for surgery since i'm fat and had access. same with assumptions that i was taking one of these weight loss drugs as my clinic prescribed A LOT of them. but a lot of my coworkers were taking them and after seeing the side effects 1st hand it was a no from me, dog 👀 i had also reached a point of acceptance for my body where i didn't feel the need to do something like that. no judgement to those who do of course. i just know that losing the weight isn't always the self image bandaid people think it is and that healing your relationship with your body goes deeper than seeing the number go down on the scale. i really appreciate your video and that you're bringing awareness to the larger implications of the ozempic trend. i love this podcast and will absolutely be checking out aubrey's ASAP 💕
as a fat person that works at a clothing store that caters to skinny people & then a little bit of the ugliest plainest most boring tiny selection for plus sizes, so many fat customers assume i must also be self-hating about my weight. a woman looking for longer sleeves said "don't they know *we* hate our arms?" she was in her 40's or 50's... i am in my late 20's & haven't felt that way since highschool at it's peak & it's just becoming less & less of an issue. my partner loves my chubbiness everywhere, including my arms, & so do i. it just made me feel so sad for her that she's still in that painful self consciousness :( i mainly get skinny people saying fatphobic things about themselves to me directly or right next to me & i have to make a moment where they have to be self aware what they did was awful while also trying not to get fired or angry cry (i cry so easily when i get angry & i hate it so much 😭) if skinny customers say something like "ugh i feel so fat now" after trying on clothes, i just cheerfully look at them saying "i wouldn't know what that's like :))" or something like that. people are so deranged in their fatphobia, but that's the nature of any bigotry or unjustified hatred: it doesn't make sense at all, there is so logic for it.
Spot on! I lost 70 lbs and thought I was going to love my body after that. Honestly, it made me way more insecure about it. Because I had proven I could do it. So then I felt the need to go harder and if I didn't lose any more weight I was a failure. I was obsessed. I've gained a little of the weight back but I've done a ton of work on changing my relationship to both food and my body and I'm much happier and at peace then I was when I was thinner.
i feel like people who have never looked into what bariatric surgery actually is have no idea what it really entails. even if you're really big, and even if you're big and really want to lose weight, surgery is such a big change and often causes issues that are permanent, nutrient deficiencies, and i've seen people say that they could never eat normally again afterwards. i strongly believe that those surgeries (and the less permanent/invasive ones too) are very useful tools and possibly life saving for a lot of the people who get them, but they're not easy mass solutions that you can just get in lieu of working on yourself, whether that be weight loss, other health measures, or just self acceptance and finding a way to be comfortable with yourself.
It is sad that people think that way about their bodies, but I don't like that your chalking a want to lose weight as solely being about body image issues. I long ago stopped caring what people think about my body, my thoughts on it are neither positive or negative. And that's fine, but when I got a health issue solely caused by obesity I had to lose weight and I know it's something I should've done long before. It's good to be comfortable in our bodies, but it needs to be said that obese people don't have a long time where they will be comfortable. We all reach health issues eventually, and you are moving the needle forward if you're obese.
Aubrey is so unbelievably smart, especially what she said about unintentional body checking. Opened a whole new perspective that I wasn’t really aware of
@FilzupBilburp *Loud incorrect buzzer noise* Funny that you actually bring that up, because one of the first things she brings up on her podcast is y’all’s weird fascination with equating cigarette use to fatness. Aubrey isn’t arguing for you to live a sedentary life, she has on numerous occasions said that exercise does make you healthy, what you seem to have missed is the part where she argues that weight and health aren’t correlated. Which they aren’t, you can diet and exercise as much as you want, but that does not remove other factors like medication, health issues, or just a predisposition to being fat. She is not the “opposite of smart”, when what she’s saying is well documented information. Also why do you care? Is there a mysterious fat boogie man causing you issues? Why does the look of someone else’s body bother you? That’s her whole point. The pseudoscience that is diet culture is predicated on the idea that you, the consumer, will continue to advocate for diet culture by using terms like “scientific evidence” when science itself doesn’t back your claims.
god, Aubrey's look is torn straight out of a color-analyst's dreams. yt watchers are getting a FEAST!! im literally salivating as im typing this. SHE IS SUCH A WARM SPRING!!!! GOD!! HER MAKEUP, HER HAIR, ESPECIALLY HER BLUSH???!?!??! ***IM*** BLUSHING JUST LOOKING AT IT!! IT'S NOT EVEN FAIR TO SAY THEY COMPLIMENT HER BLOUSE, THEY HAVE BEEN DATING FOR 6 YEARS AND ENGAGED FOR 3!!! THE WEDDING IS SET FOR THIS AUTUMN!!! DEAR LORDDD-- great episode, too, ofc!!💕
I'm going to be THAT ANNOYING PERSON. Roman Vomitoria aren't what they sound like. There's a translation issue: the root word means something like "to spew forth" and vomitoria are just stadium exits, named so because people flow out of them. They're not special barfing rooms.
As someone who has struggled with eating disorders in the past. My only concern about Ozempic is people on it developing eds. I see videos of people saying they’re never hungry and barely eat. If you go off the medication will some be tempted to keep up the barely eating.
I worry it's sometimes being prescribed to "treat" eating disorders. I read an article where an lady (who wasn't fat btw) said that before Ozempic thinking about what she ate was like a full time job for her, then after Ozempic she would have, like, an apple and a xanax for dinner and feel totally fine. If someone who doesn't have any health issues is so consumed with calorie counting that it's making it hard to live life, that's a psychological issue that needs therapy, not an injection to make their eating disorder less distracting.
@@jaynestrange as someone with binge eating disorder, medications that help you stop thinking about food so much can be such a relief. Obviously they shouldn’t be prescribed to people with restrictive eating disorders. I was on Vyvanse for a while, it wasn’t about weight loss, it was about being able to get through the day without having intrusive thoughts about Pringles.
I can tell you from being on and off ozempic the cravings come back, I would be unable to function in society if I tried to maintain that diet unmedicated.
@@jaynestrange Ozempic can absolutely help those of us with BED or food addiction. Just because someone "isn't fat" doesn't mean they aren't struggling with those things, and your comment is kind of trivializing tbh.
Aubery is the sound of my day, I wash the pots- maintance phase, have a shower, take a bath- maintance phase. And now I get Aubery while I relax and spin yarn this evening, talking about something I can't stop thinking about!
This whole weight obsession thing is odd from the outside looking in. I'm a member of the bear community so I don't feel any desire to be thin. I don't feel any shame or disgust towards being fat or towards fat people. My focus has always been on "how can I take care of my body" and not "How can I look as slim as possible"? Every time I see people actively destroying their health in order to drop a few extra pounds I find myself asking "Why? Isn't the purpose of losing that weight to be healthier"? When those same people tell me that I'm destroying my health because I have a belly on me I just roll my eyes. If we really want to improve people's health, weight shaming is not the solution. It's a distraction from actual solutions. The two things we should try to do right now: 1. Make our cities more walkable. Cars should be a luxury not a necessity. This will enable people to get out and walk more. Exercise will become a natural part of our lives. People will tough grass more. We'll natuarlly get more sunlight, which will help boost our mood. We'll be able to meet more people out on the street which will help combat lonliness. All of this has positive outcoms for mental AND physial health. 2. Make food more affordable. Consider putting price caps on grocery items so Walmart/Target and friends can't co-ordinate to raise prices 300% and pretend it's inflation. When clean/healthy food is something everyone can access it'll be easier to stock up on good food instead of the cheap/cost effective junk like hot dogs and ramen noodles. Instead of doing this, we take the the hyper individualist approach of just shaming people who look a certain way. It could not possibly be more counter-productive.
You are assuming the point is weight loss promotion, we know that shaming doesn't work, we know that dieting doesn't work, we know that a society that actively harms people for existing does not work. The goal is not weight loss. That might be individual goals for some people (as in, for themselves) but as a whole, the point is not to make people thinner or healthier, by fat shaming and hurting them and making sure they never go to a doctor again. It's just bigotry. It's the same with the concern trolling, it's been proven to make people feel worse, and besides that doesn't do anything for anyone's weight or health. "Oh, if you just lost 8000000 pounds, you'd be healthier!" But they don't know anything about anyone's health at all, they just want to be mean bullies to fat people without other people calling them out for bullying, they pretend they are not actually hurting people by acting as if it's about general health, when it's just bullying. It's not and has never been about actual concern.
You are right. Hating minorities has become a social taboo. But fatphobia is not only accepted, it's encouraged. To not partake in this bullying is seen as "Enabling". Fat people are the holy grail of plausible deniablility for bigoted people. I'm not going to be a part of that. Studies have shown that people who experience fatphobia experience more negative health symptoms than those who do not. This is after you factor out weight as a variable. This should come as a surprise to no one. Stress alone is proven to take years off your life and cause a person to age faster. I don't need to explain how experiencing bigotry from close friends/family and strangers can cause a person significant long-term stress. When you also factor in the increased risk of guilt, shame, anxiety, and depression this causes. It should be dead obvious that shaming people is not the solution. Whether you think it comes from good intentions or not. Bigotry is never the solution. It masqurades as one while distracting us from the real solutions.
Honestly point 3 should be "encourage intuitive eating principles". Reject diets, actually eat when you're hungry, pay attention to your food as you eat it, and stop when you're feeling full. Exercise and eat food based on what you enjoy and what makes your body feel good, not because you're performing suffering for other people! Like they're all principles about reconnecting with your body and sensuality and just letting yourself experience joy and satisfaction - I can't see a world where that's not the ideal way of building your life and eating habits, and yet people criticise it because "oh, it's not guaranteed to help people lose weight, they might just eat bad wrong terrible food instead of eating 1 salad a day."
yes!! the walkable cities point is like number one answer to improving health if that is what people are actually interested in. When I can walk places it makes my life so much better, even living in texas when its hell to walk places like 60% of the year lol
The capitalist approach of overlooking systemic solutions to address a wider problem, and instead taking an individual approach that is less effective so they can sell more solutions is... very frustrating
My partner was put on Ozempic and his diabetes finally got under control, but then we couldn't get it for MONTHS because of people using it for weight loss or other reasons, and his diabetes got out of control again. We've only just recently been able to get it for him again.
You're so good at selecting really intelligent guests and then having really intelligent conversations with them. Very easy to listen to, still. Love you ❤
I remember those ads from like over 10 yrs ago on TV when I was a kid, I remembered it well cause my dad was diabetic so my kid brain paid attention and brought it up to my dad since it was advertised for diabetics
wild that Americans get such pharmaceuticals advertised, the most they’re legally allowed to advertise here is indigestion tablets or hayfever antihistamines
the fact that that is even allowed is crazyy. I get annoyed when I see an ad for a painkiller on tv. ads for any type of drug should not be allowed on tv or at movies. full stop.
I have heard it said that the purring of cats has healing qualities, not just for the cats themselves but for adjacent humans. I don’t know if that’s scientifically true but a good Aubrey cackle soothes me - I hear that deeply joyful noise in my headphones and I feel less alone in all this mess
I've read that too, the idea is that the purr is at a frequency that causes tissue and bone to repair, but I've not seen academic sources on it, only articles in magazines type mentions. But aside from that, the psychological effect of stroking or cuddling an animal is beneficial in and of itself.
i was so baffled by how anti-fat the medical field can be when theres no health warnings. my partner (totally healthy and a little fat) got their gallbladder removed and was asked twice by their surgeon if they wanted to be recommended a weight loss specialist. like just completely unnecessary especially after the first firm 'no'
I just started breastfeeding and I was over producing breast milk, and everyone kept telling me to sell it to gym bros. I was like, is that a thing??? Then did some research to find out it absolutely is. An episode about what men will put in their bodies to "maximize" their efficiency would be so fascinating. Like, why do these men want to be machines? Why do they fetishize perfection in every single one of their decisions? It's like they're collectively creating a culture designed to give them all OCD.
First appointment with a new dr and he offered ozempic injections for weight lose. I had to push for bloodwork and other basic shit and rejected the offer
It's so wild. I was talking to my 76 year old dad he told me his doc did the same to him. Fun fact, he is a pharmacist and said ABSOLUTELY NO. (He is maybe 10-15 pounds overweight max) It's really reminiscent of these doctors who pushed opiods. We really do not know the long term effects this will have on society. It's scary.
@@caseyw.6550 The opioid comparison is pretty apt. During the beginnings of the opioid epidemic, a lot of prescribers were trained to readily treat patients' pain. They started being told pain was another vital sign to be monitored and treated as needed, and it was wrong to be stingy with the pain meds and let their patients suffer. And of course, there is some truth in that. But the risks of opioids were massively downplayed and other pain treatment options weren't promoted as much, and the result was a generation of doctors who had been taught to consider opioids as a completely reasonable treatment option for way more patients than it really should have been. And now weight loss is much the same. So many doctors have been trained that the "obesity epidemic" is killing millions and that the number one thing overweight patients need to do is lose weight. They are primed to assume that if you are overweight and your lab values aren't bad yet, they very soon will be, and that most health concerns you might come to them with could be solved with weight loss. And so they're pushing these drugs because they've been trained that obviously everyone needs to lose weight. It's simply not true, but it will take quite a bit of a paradigm shift to correct it, just as it did with opioids.
I think it’s so interesting at 25:11 I think it’s interesting how many people are so swayed by the almost performative aspect of being “fit” like having to do all the hard stuff to get fit and if you don’t people are angry but then if you choose not to lose weight people are still angry . It reminds me of when people loved seeing model workouts and eating vids of what their diet was almost releshing in like their two workouts a day and small eating sizes and trying to copy but also saying it was “hard work to be a model” because of the restriction and praising them. It’s so odd
its a byproduct of us learning our worth correlates with work and how much you can dedicate yourself to it. working hard is seen as a virtue in capitalist society, so it is no wonder that when we have been pushed to see health and thin bodies as virtous, and in order for that incorrect facade to be upheld we also need to show the hard work that goes behind it. otherwise, when people are faced with the reality that often how you look like is a symbol of class, and that most without wealth will never be able to outrun the genetic and environmental cards we've been dealt, it stings because its a reality most do not want to face. they want the story of the virtous fat person who worked hard and now looks fit, someone who is able to masquerade as the upper class good looking person, because acknowledging the immense wealth blockades to conventional beauty is depressing.
eating well and exercising have ten million benefits outside of weight. we should be doing both of them regardless of whether we have the specific goal of weight loss etc.
this was such a good episode, i could've listened to y'all talk for another hour easy. aubrey's bit about the "half-life" of body-judging comments is so resonant. i still think about comments i heard when i was a kid.
Aubrey is SUCH a freaking delight!! Found her podcast, Maintenance Phase - I'm LIVING for it!! Thanks, Matt, for introducing me to Aubrey. 💙 Happy Pride from Toronto 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🇨🇦
Aubrey is amazing. She's had to deal with a culture that tells her to take up less space, and she refuses. She takes up so much space with her joy, and knowledge, and laugh, and we're all the better for it.
I went to my general practitioner for an ear infection and before she even addressed WHY i was there, she tried to talk to me about ozempic. I refused to be weighed too so all she did was look at me
At around 1:11:10 there is a mention of "Roman Vomitorium" which made me jump up instantly because it is a pet peeve of mine that people think it was for vomiting. In reality, Vomitoriums were passages in Amphitheaters or similar structures which allow a crowd to exit swiftly. The word comes from a term meaning "to spew forth" which is likely where we get the modern English term vomit from. Here's a link to Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomitorium#:~:text=A%20vomitorium%20is%20a%20passage,the%20end%20of%20an%20event. I know Wikipedia is not the best of sources, but for something as basic and well-known as this, it should suffice. I hope we can get a correction in the description, a comment or some other way to prevent the spread of misinformation.
the idea that someone used ozempic and "cheated" their way to thinness is such a bizarre chain of thought. Workout classes are just tools for losing weight (and more generally better health), but, so is ozempic. It's the same kind of energy I get around student loan forgiveness discourse, that train of thought of 'because I had it rough, you have to have it rough too,' it just strikes me as a type of weird envy.
Another side of this discourse is the idea that fat people are lazy, have earned their disgusting condition, are letting themselves go etc. Basically being fat is a reflection of your inner poor moral substance. Which of course is a gross misunderstanding of differences in metabolism, genetics, what a healthy body looks like, intersectionalism with poverty, race or other minorities. But it's easier to think people are pathetic and miserable (which is of course only assumed and not necessarily true, and if true at least in part due to a fatphobic atmosphere rather than isolated personal conditions) by their own fault and moral failure than because we fail each other as a society, that our health system is broken and that the profit of a few has taken over the greater good we owe each other (That's why we want fat people to to earn their weight loss and improved status through suffering, and surgery or medication are considered cheating because it's a shortcut with no repentance)
29:44 I think part of this also has to do with people wanting to hide behind their judgments of people's bodies and fat phobia by adding this kind of moral judgment that makes it seem as if they're somehow superior when they judge fat folks. They use the whole "If they just had the willpower, they could lose the weight", "If they just ate salads instead of fast food and made healthier choices then they could lose weight". So by framing it as something that the person is responsible for, it makes it easier to blame them for not having a body that society expects, and being able to control a myriad of factors that were never in their control in the first place. But of course when you really look at the innumerable factors that make up a person's life, you see that it isn't so simple and that we have a lot less control than we like to believe. It also doesn't help that we're brainwashed by marketing and told that we can have, do, or be anything we want if we just follow these 5 easy steps or buy this supplement or do this workout by unscrupulous people looking to make money off of our insecurities by feeding into them. Shaming ourselves and others into fitting a societal mold is so toxic. Realizing that you can't simply blame someone for not having a body you think they should because you believe they're lazy or careless or lacking willpower leaves that person with the fact that they have issues with other people's bodies and are judging them for it. The problem isn't with the person who's fat, it's with the person who is so cruel, shallow and critical of the fat person and how they treat them. But as I said, it's easier to hide behind blaming someone for their failure to be what you expect than to realize you're just a shitty person who is mean to other people who don't necessarily have the privileges you have to look "acceptable" in our society.
I would love to mention that my family members gallbladder was necrotic and rotting in their body due to ozempic. Not AT ALL judging anyone who takes it!!! Side effects are different for everyone!! It just scared tf out of me and my fam (Amazing podcast, thank you!!!!)
Like I’m pretty sure that there is nobody in my entire family that can take it because like we just naturally have weird thyroids and do not want to mess with them any more
a little late to adding to this conversation though the "right way to lose weight", the character judgement, and moralization of suffering reminds me a lot of a quote from youtuber @That Dang Dad . that quote being, "American culture is predicated on the crippling fear someone, somewhere, is getting something they don't deserve."
Love his videos! I remember that one too. Such a great point. So true. I feel this sentiment deeply as a recovering drug addict when I hear all of the discourse around drug addicts “doing this to themselves”
exactly, unless your weight loss plan includes the soundtrack to boogie nights and a pack of Lucky Strike’s I don’t wanna hear it ✋come back when you’ve matured a little lol
Blaming individual people for pharmaceutical companies not producing enough medication in order to pump up their prices and create a shortage artificially is a horrendous practice. MAKE MORE OZEMPIC and let everyone be able to buy it, The End.
I didn't know about Aubrey before this video, and my bf and I have become such big fans of hers since I first watched this. Maintenance Phase and Your Fat Friend are incredible. I'll definitely continue to dig into her work. Thanks for having her on, Matt.
As a fat person who is currently trying to lose weight, what Aubrey said about people checking their own bodies is so true. I didn't even realize it until she had said it that I did it to another large person at a restaurant the other day, and it was really eye opening to think about it from this angle.
I love Aubrey so much! MP deserves all the praise as a podcast. It's a guiding star for all journalism but also media literacy. It really teaches us to break down ideas carefully, factcheck and consider things deeply. Anyway, this was a wonderful ep, thank you.
Love an Aubrey Gordon crossover....... if anyone liked her here & haven't read her books or listened to Maintenance Phase, I really can't recommend them enough.
This was a great episode and I'm doubly great to have stumbled across it because now there are new Maintenance Phase podcasts up that I've missed and I'm so excited!! According to Spotify the break was only from October 2023-March 2024 but it felt like an ETERNITY.
been listening to maintenance phase since the first episode but i had never actually SEEN aubrey before and it's so nice to put a smile to the infectuous laughter
Omg the body surveillance!!! I have been not super interested in Ozempic content and I didn't realize that was why. I hate the way I feel when I try to discern stuff like that based on looks alone. So glad this won't be that ❤
As a fat gay man, one thing that helped me have a better body image was to hang out with queer people who find bigger guys attractive. It's a struggle definitely.
My viewpoint is around body autonomy. If you want to live in a thinner body I'm not going to judge you for that and I support you doing that in whatever way is available to you that doesn't hurt you or anyone else. I have zero beef with anyone who takes Ozympic and experiencing life changing weight loss, I'm v happy for them I'm sure it feels like a miracle.
On doctors being a major source of fatshaming- I went to the cardiologist just to have a check up. All my test results were great. He asked me about my weight, I said yes I’ve always struggled going up and down since childhood. He actually fucking asked me “what does your husband think about your weight?” 🤯🤯🤯
I looove Aubrey! Seeing someone you've only listened to on a podcast is always so trippy. Like when their voice is that of a familiar friend but their face is completely new to me
Wow that Ozempic parade ad was one of the most dysoptian ads I've seen in a minute. And that's saying a lot 😅 edit: Did you just say "flavored oxygen"?
Sometimes I click onto an hour plus podcast and I drop off. I am 1:01:31 in and it has felt like 15 minutes. Fabulous back and forth and true discussion all around. 🎉
I ove Aubrey Gordon and I'm hooked on maintenance phase since 3 months now. I just savor every episode since they are wonderful, I really love her laugh and her humor. I discovered your podcast and channel now Matt and I'm happy to have another deep dive of great discussions and debunking to enjoy.
Bless you for actually explaining what Ozempic is. As a Brit who doesn't use social media and doesn't follow celebrities, I'd never heard of it, so I spent the first 5 mins of this vid desperately confused and hoping you'd explain, haha.
@@sonnentausnest Haha, hi5 for being clueless. Our lack of celebrity knowledge, and living in countries that aren't constantly parading branded drugs around really did us dirty for this one.
Lol I didn't even know that this was new. I was just listening to another video with Matt, ate some dinner and put on this about 10min ago and I see now that it's completely new. Nice
aubrey's laugh always makes my day 100x better
TIL kelly osborne and kelly clarkson are different people
I agree, it's the best laugh on the internet
My best friend's mom has a very similar laugh and hearing it makes me feel comforted 😊
Same! She brought such a smile to my face
I would want her on every episode just for the laughs
I've read somewhere something along the lines of "poor people get body positivity and rich people get ozempic" and I think that's very fitting lol
Was it Southpark?
Omg South Park
I say I'm down for both.
@@VANILLAMILKISGUD God I hate that show.
@@tristanband4003 For good reason. It's pure centrist "equal offense" bothsideism.
I was someone that was on ozempic, or one of their sister brands to be honest. It felt so great to not feel hungry, to only be able to eat small portion so I don’t get sick, like my thin friends… It felt virteus. Even getting sick, throwing up every day was something i veiwed as making me a better person… I’m not smart, don’t have a job worth braging about, quite ugly and fat. And this kinda gave me hope that now, maybe, I could have something; thinnes. I’ve been off it a year now, as my prescription ran out and I could not afford the price. Getting off it felt terrible, the hunger hit me like a brick, and all the compliments I got from friends and family stopped. I haven’t really gained the weight as I found out I have some other medical issues that incrised my weight gain, and I remain stable, not losing or gaining. It’s a bit weird getting so personal in a RUclips comment section, but I felt like sharing, to not be sitting so alone with this. Thank you
Thanks for sharing your experience -- it was insightful. I'm sorry it's been a difficult journey for you with this.
i feel this so hard. i dont have ozempic experience but my weight has fluctuated throughout the years to where i have relatives "complimenting" my body, usually at points when im super stressed out and not the healthiest. its really weird to go from compliments like that to nothing because it leaves you with the feeling that they are still surveilling ur body but dont have a compliment for u anymore
Thank you for sharing your experience with us ❤
so appreciate that you told us what it's really like from your own personal experience. I've not taken Ozempic, but the thought process of equaling eating less with virtue is painfully familiar. Wish you the best x
I haven't tried ozempic, but I feel your pain. Years ago, my doctor tried to push me on to liraglutide, which is essentially the same thing (suppresses hunger). I was scared, so I tried bulimia instead, and oh my gosh the compliments started rolling in. It felt incredible to be treated as a human. But of course, it didn't last, because it never can (you either stop or you die). So I gained it all back and then some over the pandemic, but I'm trying to find other parts of life to find joy in. I got married at my heaviest, and had a baby not too long after, and am now studying medicine. I love my life, but nothing feels quite the same as when people saw me as a human. They don't know they're doing it, but you can feel it. And I miss that inclusive feeling.
I CLICKED SO FAST QUEEN AUBREY IS HERE
Same!!! I love her and her work!
Saaaame!
Absolute SAME
SAME I HAVE HER BOOK ON MY SHELF I LOVE HER
Love her!
(Lol doh! Typo on that fragment of a post.)
When someone mentions Ozempic to me, my first thought is diabetes. As a diabetic, this is freaking frustrating to keep up my maintenance meds when they are out of stock because of the weight loss side.
Right? Same issue with adderall and adhd patients. The US is a medical hellscape!
I feel like they push this dichotomy on us to get us to fight. Ozempic is cheap to make. it doses in tiny quantities. 1 55 gallon drum of it is a thousand years worth of it for one person. making more of it would be as easy as opening a couple valves.
I also think if weight control could help you avoid or delay diabetes, making you wait until you get the diagnosis to get the drug is both expensive in the long term for everyone involved and cruel. saying at an a1c of 6.2 you get it covered but at 5.9 you get "wait till you're 'sick'" is messed up imo.
Like...how bout we stop it now while there's still some tread on my pancreas' tires?
@@moustik31my vyvanse (elvanse here) was out of stock for months over here in Europe, at least they also have it for kids from a different manufacturer and my doctor has a license for adults and kids so was able to prescribe me the kids brand to substitute
I will say, as someone taking Zepbound (same drug as Mounjaro, just produced and marketed for weight loss), I was .1 A1C shy of a prediabetes diagnosis. I'd rather take this medication and not become diabetic, and I'm feeling well on it. Access is a struggle for everyone, but it's unfair to blame people taking it to lose weight (and avoid diabetes in the first place) when it's the companies who can't keep up with demand. Most doctors won't prescribe Ozempic or Mounjaro to non-diabetics (as those are the branded versions specifically for diabetes), and send them towards Wegovy or Zepbound, which have the allocations for obesity/every other condition that is helped by these medications. I can't help how much of one or the other the companies are making.
My mum has the same problem.
That blouse is SO cute and I'm not seeing enough comments about it.
OMG Aubrey is GLOWING in it! She's so stunning
I’m obsessed with the fabric, it’s a great color choice for her!
It’s adorable!
Came to comment that! It’s beautiful xx ♥️🇵🇸🍉🍉🇵🇸♥️
It's from Nooworks! A wonderful little company
Aubrey is the GOAT. Her makeup? Flawless. Her style? Sensational. Her laugh? Pure joy. Her research and communication skills? Unparalleled.
I know! I've always loved listening to her, and just had to rewind because missed commentary when noticed her make-up and got caught up admiring it!
This duo is fabulous!
Fr!! ❤❤❤
I had never heard of her before this and now I’m OBSESSED
great episode, one minor correction (UGH I feel ANNOYING nitpicking this), but the Roman "vomitorium" was not a way to vomit out food, it's just a name for an aisle in a stadium where people "spew forth" after an event. Otherwise, great episode
Thank you, vilifying history because of a falsehood doesn't help anything really.
True, even when unpleasant, is better than a pretty lie.
It was probably just a slip of the tongue. She probably meant an antimonial cup (calice vomitorii) or another emetic used at Roman banquets.
Thank you, it annoys me greatly when people spread this misinformation. especially because it is interesting linguistically how the term Vomitorium is related to vomit in modern English, despite meaning two very different things.
@Thundermikeee I wouldn't call getting a very minor non-relevant detail wrong misinformation. Also the words vomit and vomitorium have the same root word in Latin, vomere.
@@shwing1428if it's incorrect information, it's misinformation. disinformation is the word for deliberate or pernicious / destructive misinformation.
The part at the end where Aubrey talks about having her blood pressure checked multiple times because the tech couldn't believe she could be in normal range... it just really hit something home for me that fat phobia affects everyone's experience in Healthcare. I am a relatively thin person and i do believe because I "look healthy" is why I could not receive adequate care for me autoimmune disease without trying multiple drs who were really willing to look at the whole picture of my health and not just what they perceived by the way I look.
they always find a way to invalidate whoever they want. if you're fat its "just lose weight" and if you "look healthy" nothing could possibly be wrong. :( im thin and i get that a lot and my friend who is fat gets everything blamed on their weight. it just sucks so much im sorry you had the same struggle 💔💔
Y'know, I would absolutely watch a SERIES of the two of y'all making content together. Without hesitation. You have such amazing energy with each other, and I'm absolutely living.
id watch anything aubrey helped make
Yes!! Make it so! 😊
I think that a thin body is seen as a REWARD for what’s considered good character-disciplined, cares about their health, intelligent enough to know how take care of themselves, etc. But achieving a thin body through taking something like Ozempic is seen as cheating - getting the reward without having the desirable character traits/without putting in the work. When of course thin/fat bodies have little to no relation to the possession of these character traits. The mentality it just so gross.
aubrey has such an aura of joy idk how to explain it
Her laugh always makes me smile :D
a sunny gal
the HAAA! she let out when told she doesn't hold back made my day
tbh goals
“Shallow understanding leads to shallow acceptance” Mother is so smart.
Great discussion! I’ve never heard of her before but Aubrey is such an engaging speaker.
Like my mom saw those soap ads years ago and was like yeah they got somebody my size to be on the bottle and all but like okay thanks I guess, but your soap still dries my skin out so bad that it’s painful and isn’t even vegan. There are so many options out there that don’t make me want to peel my skin off and are also vegan
idk how she dropped the "sister act 2: back in the habit" line so casually. that joke unexpectedly wiped me out
It was SO GOOD I had to pause the episode to cackle
Aubrey is the queen of dropping sly little comments/jokes that absolutely kill me.
timestamp?? i zone outs sometimes 🥲
@@directionallychallenged973334:52 :)
@@directionallychallenged9733 34:50, I heard it maybe 5 seconds after reading this comment xd
this guest was so lovely, also absolutely killed by the man on the 90$ injections ad being fully already skinny
Ikr? They are BLATANTLY advertising it for pure "aesthetics" reasons. Have we learned nothing from the still on-going opioids crisis?!
🤦🏾♀️
Aubrey is a treat. She's super smart, hilarious as hell, and really speaks deeply about topics she knows well.
wait I somehow didnt put it together until THIS COMMENT that hes supposed to be the "before" picture😭I just thought it had to be the "after" even though that doesn't make sense...
You should check out her podcast maintenance phase! It's excellent
@@blueisasomedancer I was about to say this! She does such great work!
I'm pre-diabetic, I was on wagovy for 6 months and then my insurance decided to stop paying for my meds. I'm trying to appeal, but its kinda terrifying waiting. Type 2 Diabetes runs in my family. I've seen the horrors it inflicts on my loved ones, despite them doing everything "right". I eat pretty healthy and regularly exercise but I'm still here; pre-diabetic. Its kinda infuriating to hear about celebrities that have the privilege to look down on the people taking these drugs. Meanwhile, I'm here just not wanting to loose a leg in the future and have to fight so hard for that little thing.
Excuse me 😭 Are we the same person?????
Except it wasn’t wegovy that they stopped. I forgot which one it was. But I 100% understand what you’ve been through and are going through. My dad and uncle & cousin are diabetic, (all different though). My dad is on Ozempic though, and he was having trouble getting it. I’m on wegovy for weight loss, and for my eating stuff.
Also I’m sorry that ur going through that, but i’m glad to feel seen.
i was prediabetic since i was 10, last year at age 29 it tipped into type 2. i knew immediately by how i felt honestly. i was able to control it and push it back into prediabetic range, but it was really hard and i ONLY managed bc of medication. i hope things work out for you.
this happened to me as well!! It had only been a month bc of how long it took for insurance to approve it. But it’s SO frustrating to see how easy it is for these rich people do get it and take it from us who need it. :( Hoping that we can both get the medicine that we need soon!! also ty for your comment, it’s nice to see we’re not alone in this!!!
and the insurance companies are already trying to justify their decision by pouring to the weight loss side of prescribing. that’s discriminatory and awful. i’m so sorry.
I have been listening to maintenance phase since 2021 and am subscribed to the patreon and I now realize I have never actually seen Aubrey's face before now. Wild.
get your hands on her documentary asap, I'm also a patreon subscriber and cannot tell you how wonderful it was to spend 90 minutes in the cinema on that journey and putting a face to the sounds of her wonderful laugh!
Seconding get your hands on her documentary
@@lmturtonnoted!! It's also amazing that she caught onto Matt's outline just like she does with Mike. Legend. Lol
I said this exact thing lol she’s just too smart!!!
@@missybarbour6885 me hearing Michael's voice "Aubrey! stop SPOILING the episode!"
Another day, another moral panic. Our underlying obsession with weight hurts EVERYONE.
omg my wife and I went to a wedding show and there was a clinic there advertising Wegovy and Ozempic injections to help you lose weight to fit your dress and we were like UMMM?!
Ew! As if the wedding industrial complex wasn’t hard enough to navigate already!
As a wedding photographer, I hate that sh*t so much!! The pressure of perfection around weddings is so mentally, emotionally, and physically taxing.
crazy idea: everyone could just ... .get a dress that fits the body they have!?! omg am i a genius?
@@salligator humanistic...but you wont get your pharmaceutical friends rich that way!
Another reason I'm glad I just eloped lol
I've never actually seen Aubrey on video before. So funny to actually see her do her trademark laugh. Best crossover episode ever lol.
My comment exactly! Such a treat to see her on video!
Y'all should watch the doc about her, Your Fat Friend!
Same😊
It’s the first time I’ve seen her on video as well- so freaking beautiful and adorable. I love her so much.
as a fat person who worked in a weight loss clinic i have a looooot of thoughts on this. big agree with everything you both said. it was so crazy and sad to hear the way patients would talk abounded their own bodies especially as i watched them change. very indicative of how society still views fat people as a whole. i worked there for 2 years and had initially considered getting bariatric surgery with one of our surgeons but after i started therapy i realized it wasn't something i needed in order to love my body. it was wild to me tho how bold some of the patients were in their comments to me and my body. i got lots of assumptions that i just HAD to be working up for surgery since i'm fat and had access. same with assumptions that i was taking one of these weight loss drugs as my clinic prescribed A LOT of them. but a lot of my coworkers were taking them and after seeing the side effects 1st hand it was a no from me, dog 👀 i had also reached a point of acceptance for my body where i didn't feel the need to do something like that. no judgement to those who do of course. i just know that losing the weight isn't always the self image bandaid people think it is and that healing your relationship with your body goes deeper than seeing the number go down on the scale. i really appreciate your video and that you're bringing awareness to the larger implications of the ozempic trend. i love this podcast and will absolutely be checking out aubrey's ASAP 💕
as a fat person that works at a clothing store that caters to skinny people & then a little bit of the ugliest plainest most boring tiny selection for plus sizes, so many fat customers assume i must also be self-hating about my weight.
a woman looking for longer sleeves said "don't they know *we* hate our arms?" she was in her 40's or 50's... i am in my late 20's & haven't felt that way since highschool at it's peak & it's just becoming less & less of an issue. my partner loves my chubbiness everywhere, including my arms, & so do i. it just made me feel so sad for her that she's still in that painful self consciousness :(
i mainly get skinny people saying fatphobic things about themselves to me directly or right next to me & i have to make a moment where they have to be self aware what they did was awful while also trying not to get fired or angry cry (i cry so easily when i get angry & i hate it so much 😭)
if skinny customers say something like "ugh i feel so fat now" after trying on clothes, i just cheerfully look at them saying "i wouldn't know what that's like :))" or something like that.
people are so deranged in their fatphobia, but that's the nature of any bigotry or unjustified hatred: it doesn't make sense at all, there is so logic for it.
@@MossTunic omg yes! it's always what people say about their own size that gives away how they feel about mine
Spot on! I lost 70 lbs and thought I was going to love my body after that. Honestly, it made me way more insecure about it. Because I had proven I could do it. So then I felt the need to go harder and if I didn't lose any more weight I was a failure. I was obsessed. I've gained a little of the weight back but I've done a ton of work on changing my relationship to both food and my body and I'm much happier and at peace then I was when I was thinner.
i feel like people who have never looked into what bariatric surgery actually is have no idea what it really entails. even if you're really big, and even if you're big and really want to lose weight, surgery is such a big change and often causes issues that are permanent, nutrient deficiencies, and i've seen people say that they could never eat normally again afterwards.
i strongly believe that those surgeries (and the less permanent/invasive ones too) are very useful tools and possibly life saving for a lot of the people who get them, but they're not easy mass solutions that you can just get in lieu of working on yourself, whether that be weight loss, other health measures, or just self acceptance and finding a way to be comfortable with yourself.
It is sad that people think that way about their bodies, but I don't like that your chalking a want to lose weight as solely being about body image issues.
I long ago stopped caring what people think about my body, my thoughts on it are neither positive or negative. And that's fine, but when I got a health issue solely caused by obesity I had to lose weight and I know it's something I should've done long before.
It's good to be comfortable in our bodies, but it needs to be said that obese people don't have a long time where they will be comfortable. We all reach health issues eventually, and you are moving the needle forward if you're obese.
Aubrey is so unbelievably smart, especially what she said about unintentional body checking. Opened a whole new perspective that I wasn’t really aware of
@FilzupBilburp *Loud incorrect buzzer noise* Funny that you actually bring that up, because one of the first things she brings up on her podcast is y’all’s weird fascination with equating cigarette use to fatness. Aubrey isn’t arguing for you to live a sedentary life, she has on numerous occasions said that exercise does make you healthy, what you seem to have missed is the part where she argues that weight and health aren’t correlated. Which they aren’t, you can diet and exercise as much as you want, but that does not remove other factors like medication, health issues, or just a predisposition to being fat. She is not the “opposite of smart”, when what she’s saying is well documented information. Also why do you care? Is there a mysterious fat boogie man causing you issues? Why does the look of someone else’s body bother you? That’s her whole point. The pseudoscience that is diet culture is predicated on the idea that you, the consumer, will continue to advocate for diet culture by using terms like “scientific evidence” when science itself doesn’t back your claims.
Clearly I have to check out maintenance phase because everything Aubrey says is like, "YES, THANK YOU"
IT IS A LIFECHANGING PODCAST
Maintenance phase is fantastic. Michael and Aubrey are just so in sync and wonderful together, it is perfection
It is SO GOOD! Aubrey and Michael are both so delightful and it’s so informative and interesting.
Maintenance Phase has done so many good things for my mental health around my body.
@@queenninnymuggins same 🥰
Love Matt acting like a middle schooler with a crush in front of Aubrey
god, Aubrey's look is torn straight out of a color-analyst's dreams. yt watchers are getting a FEAST!! im literally salivating as im typing this. SHE IS SUCH A WARM SPRING!!!! GOD!! HER MAKEUP, HER HAIR, ESPECIALLY HER BLUSH???!?!??! ***IM*** BLUSHING JUST LOOKING AT IT!! IT'S NOT EVEN FAIR TO SAY THEY COMPLIMENT HER BLOUSE, THEY HAVE BEEN DATING FOR 6 YEARS AND ENGAGED FOR 3!!! THE WEDDING IS SET FOR THIS AUTUMN!!! DEAR LORDDD-- great episode, too, ofc!!💕
Right😭 she is glowing, popping right off my screen
LOVE LOVE Maintenance Phase!
My farts are better than Matt’s farts 💨
I'm going to be THAT ANNOYING PERSON. Roman Vomitoria aren't what they sound like. There's a translation issue: the root word means something like "to spew forth" and vomitoria are just stadium exits, named so because people flow out of them. They're not special barfing rooms.
As someone who has struggled with eating disorders in the past. My only concern about Ozempic is people on it developing eds. I see videos of people saying they’re never hungry and barely eat. If you go off the medication will some be tempted to keep up the barely eating.
I worry it's sometimes being prescribed to "treat" eating disorders. I read an article where an lady (who wasn't fat btw) said that before Ozempic thinking about what she ate was like a full time job for her, then after Ozempic she would have, like, an apple and a xanax for dinner and feel totally fine. If someone who doesn't have any health issues is so consumed with calorie counting that it's making it hard to live life, that's a psychological issue that needs therapy, not an injection to make their eating disorder less distracting.
@@jaynestrange as someone with binge eating disorder, medications that help you stop thinking about food so much can be such a relief. Obviously they shouldn’t be prescribed to people with restrictive eating disorders. I was on Vyvanse for a while, it wasn’t about weight loss, it was about being able to get through the day without having intrusive thoughts about Pringles.
I can tell you from being on and off ozempic the cravings come back, I would be unable to function in society if I tried to maintain that diet unmedicated.
Oxempic is just medically induced eating disorder.
@@jaynestrange Ozempic can absolutely help those of us with BED or food addiction. Just because someone "isn't fat" doesn't mean they aren't struggling with those things, and your comment is kind of trivializing tbh.
Aubery is the sound of my day, I wash the pots- maintance phase, have a shower, take a bath- maintance phase. And now I get Aubery while I relax and spin yarn this evening, talking about something I can't stop thinking about!
I just keep re-listening to it over and over
Spinning to the sounds of Aubrey’s laughter sounds dreamy!
This whole weight obsession thing is odd from the outside looking in.
I'm a member of the bear community so I don't feel any desire to be thin.
I don't feel any shame or disgust towards being fat or towards fat people.
My focus has always been on "how can I take care of my body" and not "How can I look as slim as possible"?
Every time I see people actively destroying their health in order to drop a few extra pounds I find myself asking "Why? Isn't the purpose of losing that weight to be healthier"? When those same people tell me that I'm destroying my health because I have a belly on me I just roll my eyes.
If we really want to improve people's health, weight shaming is not the solution. It's a distraction from actual solutions.
The two things we should try to do right now:
1. Make our cities more walkable. Cars should be a luxury not a necessity. This will enable people to get out and walk more. Exercise will become a natural part of our lives. People will tough grass more. We'll natuarlly get more sunlight, which will help boost our mood. We'll be able to meet more people out on the street which will help combat lonliness. All of this has positive outcoms for mental AND physial health.
2. Make food more affordable. Consider putting price caps on grocery items so Walmart/Target and friends can't co-ordinate to raise prices 300% and pretend it's inflation. When clean/healthy food is something everyone can access it'll be easier to stock up on good food instead of the cheap/cost effective junk like hot dogs and ramen noodles.
Instead of doing this, we take the the hyper individualist approach of just shaming people who look a certain way. It could not possibly be more counter-productive.
You are assuming the point is weight loss promotion, we know that shaming doesn't work, we know that dieting doesn't work, we know that a society that actively harms people for existing does not work. The goal is not weight loss. That might be individual goals for some people (as in, for themselves) but as a whole, the point is not to make people thinner or healthier, by fat shaming and hurting them and making sure they never go to a doctor again. It's just bigotry.
It's the same with the concern trolling, it's been proven to make people feel worse, and besides that doesn't do anything for anyone's weight or health. "Oh, if you just lost 8000000 pounds, you'd be healthier!" But they don't know anything about anyone's health at all, they just want to be mean bullies to fat people without other people calling them out for bullying, they pretend they are not actually hurting people by acting as if it's about general health, when it's just bullying. It's not and has never been about actual concern.
You are right.
Hating minorities has become a social taboo.
But fatphobia is not only accepted, it's encouraged. To not partake in this bullying is seen as "Enabling".
Fat people are the holy grail of plausible deniablility for bigoted people.
I'm not going to be a part of that. Studies have shown that people who experience fatphobia experience more negative health symptoms than those who do not. This is after you factor out weight as a variable.
This should come as a surprise to no one. Stress alone is proven to take years off your life and cause a person to age faster. I don't need to explain how experiencing bigotry from close friends/family and strangers can cause a person significant long-term stress.
When you also factor in the increased risk of guilt, shame, anxiety, and depression this causes. It should be dead obvious that shaming people is not the solution. Whether you think it comes from good intentions or not.
Bigotry is never the solution. It masqurades as one while distracting us from the real solutions.
Honestly point 3 should be "encourage intuitive eating principles". Reject diets, actually eat when you're hungry, pay attention to your food as you eat it, and stop when you're feeling full. Exercise and eat food based on what you enjoy and what makes your body feel good, not because you're performing suffering for other people! Like they're all principles about reconnecting with your body and sensuality and just letting yourself experience joy and satisfaction - I can't see a world where that's not the ideal way of building your life and eating habits, and yet people criticise it because "oh, it's not guaranteed to help people lose weight, they might just eat bad wrong terrible food instead of eating 1 salad a day."
yes!! the walkable cities point is like number one answer to improving health if that is what people are actually interested in. When I can walk places it makes my life so much better, even living in texas when its hell to walk places like 60% of the year lol
The capitalist approach of overlooking systemic solutions to address a wider problem, and instead taking an individual approach that is less effective so they can sell more solutions is... very frustrating
My partner was put on Ozempic and his diabetes finally got under control, but then we couldn't get it for MONTHS because of people using it for weight loss or other reasons, and his diabetes got out of control again. We've only just recently been able to get it for him again.
You're so good at selecting really intelligent guests and then having really intelligent conversations with them. Very easy to listen to, still. Love you ❤
I was at the movie theatre yesterday and they're STILL playing ads for ozempic
That’s insane!
I remember those ads from like over 10 yrs ago on TV when I was a kid, I remembered it well cause my dad was diabetic so my kid brain paid attention and brought it up to my dad since it was advertised for diabetics
wild that Americans get such pharmaceuticals advertised, the most they’re legally allowed to advertise here is indigestion tablets or hayfever antihistamines
the fact that that is even allowed is crazyy. I get annoyed when I see an ad for a painkiller on tv. ads for any type of drug should not be allowed on tv or at movies. full stop.
@@feltfrog it's extra crazy because I'm Canadian. Americans, y'all keep your crazy ads across the line 🤣
I have heard it said that the purring of cats has healing qualities, not just for the cats themselves but for adjacent humans. I don’t know if that’s scientifically true but a good Aubrey cackle soothes me - I hear that deeply joyful noise in my headphones and I feel less alone in all this mess
I've read that too, the idea is that the purr is at a frequency that causes tissue and bone to repair, but I've not seen academic sources on it, only articles in magazines type mentions.
But aside from that, the psychological effect of stroking or cuddling an animal is beneficial in and of itself.
As a cat mama, I can confirm this.
screaming crying throwing up i've been waiting for this collab for so long
Your funny expression is mine now >:)
i was so baffled by how anti-fat the medical field can be when theres no health warnings. my partner (totally healthy and a little fat) got their gallbladder removed and was asked twice by their surgeon if they wanted to be recommended a weight loss specialist. like just completely unnecessary especially after the first firm 'no'
"Gotta get that Parade body"
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As another maintenance phase stan, i gotta say it’s so fun to actually see aubrey’s facial expressions during this podcast. 10/10 conversation 👏
I was today years old when I learned about Aubrey and now my life will never be the same
I am so excited for you. You have so much fun stuff to listen to for the first time!
It really wont! Envious you get to listen to all of her stuff for the first time!
When I kept saying “Lana looks so freaking good @ coachella,” I didn’t realise every1 else saying it wasn’t talking about her hair, makeup, & outfit 💀
You should do one about the male physique and the obsession with gyms and legal drugs to comply with the beauty standards
I just started breastfeeding and I was over producing breast milk, and everyone kept telling me to sell it to gym bros. I was like, is that a thing??? Then did some research to find out it absolutely is.
An episode about what men will put in their bodies to "maximize" their efficiency would be so fascinating. Like, why do these men want to be machines? Why do they fetishize perfection in every single one of their decisions? It's like they're collectively creating a culture designed to give them all OCD.
@@AniseShaw ..... I kinda assume it more like a fetish thing
First appointment with a new dr and he offered ozempic injections for weight lose. I had to push for bloodwork and other basic shit and rejected the offer
It's so wild. I was talking to my 76 year old dad he told me his doc did the same to him. Fun fact, he is a pharmacist and said ABSOLUTELY NO. (He is maybe 10-15 pounds overweight max) It's really reminiscent of these doctors who pushed opiods. We really do not know the long term effects this will have on society. It's scary.
@@caseyw.6550 The opioid comparison is pretty apt. During the beginnings of the opioid epidemic, a lot of prescribers were trained to readily treat patients' pain. They started being told pain was another vital sign to be monitored and treated as needed, and it was wrong to be stingy with the pain meds and let their patients suffer. And of course, there is some truth in that. But the risks of opioids were massively downplayed and other pain treatment options weren't promoted as much, and the result was a generation of doctors who had been taught to consider opioids as a completely reasonable treatment option for way more patients than it really should have been. And now weight loss is much the same. So many doctors have been trained that the "obesity epidemic" is killing millions and that the number one thing overweight patients need to do is lose weight. They are primed to assume that if you are overweight and your lab values aren't bad yet, they very soon will be, and that most health concerns you might come to them with could be solved with weight loss. And so they're pushing these drugs because they've been trained that obviously everyone needs to lose weight. It's simply not true, but it will take quite a bit of a paradigm shift to correct it, just as it did with opioids.
i feel like aubrey only lives as a little voice inside my podcast app so seeing her in video form is so lush!
Honestly, as a person who's spent many years fighting an eating disorder, this was very healing to listen to. Aubrey is wonderful (you too, Matt ❤️)
I think it’s so interesting at 25:11 I think it’s interesting how many people are so swayed by the almost performative aspect of being “fit” like having to do all the hard stuff to get fit and if you don’t people are angry but then if you choose not to lose weight people are still angry .
It reminds me of when people loved seeing model workouts and eating vids of what their diet was almost releshing in like their two workouts a day and small eating sizes and trying to copy but also saying it was “hard work to be a model” because of the restriction and praising them. It’s so odd
its a byproduct of us learning our worth correlates with work and how much you can dedicate yourself to it. working hard is seen as a virtue in capitalist society, so it is no wonder that when we have been pushed to see health and thin bodies as virtous, and in order for that incorrect facade to be upheld we also need to show the hard work that goes behind it.
otherwise, when people are faced with the reality that often how you look like is a symbol of class, and that most without wealth will never be able to outrun the genetic and environmental cards we've been dealt, it stings because its a reality most do not want to face. they want the story of the virtous fat person who worked hard and now looks fit, someone who is able to masquerade as the upper class good looking person, because acknowledging the immense wealth blockades to conventional beauty is depressing.
eating well and exercising have ten million benefits outside of weight. we should be doing both of them regardless of whether we have the specific goal of weight loss etc.
those pride nails are such a fuckin slay omg 😍😭
this was such a good episode, i could've listened to y'all talk for another hour easy. aubrey's bit about the "half-life" of body-judging comments is so resonant. i still think about comments i heard when i was a kid.
You've got some of the best guests and conversations. You deserve so many more eyes on your channel, I swear. Great job!
Aubrey is SUCH a freaking delight!! Found her podcast, Maintenance Phase - I'm LIVING for it!!
Thanks, Matt, for introducing me to Aubrey. 💙
Happy Pride from Toronto 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🇨🇦
Huge fan of Aubrey and Maintenance Phase (I also have her new book). Love this crossover on your podcast, great guest and topic!
Matt I think we're gonna need a "Taylor Swift Revisited" episode now
Maintenance phase is one of my all time favorites, Aubrey is my fave!!! So happy to see this criss over 🎉
The grindr sound with the graphic took me out 😂😂
Aubrey is amazing. She's had to deal with a culture that tells her to take up less space, and she refuses. She takes up so much space with her joy, and knowledge, and laugh, and we're all the better for it.
I have only heard Aubrey's voice on podcasts, but seeing her was 10X more amazing. Such a light
I went to my general practitioner for an ear infection and before she even addressed WHY i was there, she tried to talk to me about ozempic. I refused to be weighed too so all she did was look at me
Truly a gem of an episode. This is my first time hearing Aubrey Gordon and I'm so excited to check out "Maintenance Phase!"
the maintenance phase podcast helps so much my mental health. I love it so much!
At around 1:11:10 there is a mention of "Roman Vomitorium" which made me jump up instantly because it is a pet peeve of mine that people think it was for vomiting. In reality, Vomitoriums were passages in Amphitheaters or similar structures which allow a crowd to exit swiftly. The word comes from a term meaning "to spew forth" which is likely where we get the modern English term vomit from.
Here's a link to Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomitorium#:~:text=A%20vomitorium%20is%20a%20passage,the%20end%20of%20an%20event.
I know Wikipedia is not the best of sources, but for something as basic and well-known as this, it should suffice. I hope we can get a correction in the description, a comment or some other way to prevent the spread of misinformation.
the idea that someone used ozempic and "cheated" their way to thinness is such a bizarre chain of thought. Workout classes are just tools for losing weight (and more generally better health), but, so is ozempic. It's the same kind of energy I get around student loan forgiveness discourse, that train of thought of 'because I had it rough, you have to have it rough too,' it just strikes me as a type of weird envy.
Another side of this discourse is the idea that fat people are lazy, have earned their disgusting condition, are letting themselves go etc. Basically being fat is a reflection of your inner poor moral substance.
Which of course is a gross misunderstanding of differences in metabolism, genetics, what a healthy body looks like, intersectionalism with poverty, race or other minorities. But it's easier to think people are pathetic and miserable (which is of course only assumed and not necessarily true, and if true at least in part due to a fatphobic atmosphere rather than isolated personal conditions) by their own fault and moral failure than because we fail each other as a society, that our health system is broken and that the profit of a few has taken over the greater good we owe each other
(That's why we want fat people to to earn their weight loss and improved status through suffering, and surgery or medication are considered cheating because it's a shortcut with no repentance)
29:44 I think part of this also has to do with people wanting to hide behind their judgments of people's bodies and fat phobia by adding this kind of moral judgment that makes it seem as if they're somehow superior when they judge fat folks. They use the whole "If they just had the willpower, they could lose the weight", "If they just ate salads instead of fast food and made healthier choices then they could lose weight". So by framing it as something that the person is responsible for, it makes it easier to blame them for not having a body that society expects, and being able to control a myriad of factors that were never in their control in the first place. But of course when you really look at the innumerable factors that make up a person's life, you see that it isn't so simple and that we have a lot less control than we like to believe. It also doesn't help that we're brainwashed by marketing and told that we can have, do, or be anything we want if we just follow these 5 easy steps or buy this supplement or do this workout by unscrupulous people looking to make money off of our insecurities by feeding into them. Shaming ourselves and others into fitting a societal mold is so toxic. Realizing that you can't simply blame someone for not having a body you think they should because you believe they're lazy or careless or lacking willpower leaves that person with the fact that they have issues with other people's bodies and are judging them for it. The problem isn't with the person who's fat, it's with the person who is so cruel, shallow and critical of the fat person and how they treat them. But as I said, it's easier to hide behind blaming someone for their failure to be what you expect than to realize you're just a shitty person who is mean to other people who don't necessarily have the privileges you have to look "acceptable" in our society.
How incredibly well put, wow. Thank you for writing this down.
I would love to mention that my family members gallbladder was necrotic and rotting in their body due to ozempic. Not AT ALL judging anyone who takes it!!! Side effects are different for everyone!! It just scared tf out of me and my fam (Amazing podcast, thank you!!!!)
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Like I’m pretty sure that there is nobody in my entire family that can take it because like we just naturally have weird thyroids and do not want to mess with them any more
a little late to adding to this conversation though the "right way to lose weight", the character judgement, and moralization of suffering reminds me a lot of a quote from youtuber @That Dang Dad . that quote being, "American culture is predicated on the crippling fear someone, somewhere, is getting something they don't deserve."
Love his videos! I remember that one too. Such a great point. So true. I feel this sentiment deeply as a recovering drug addict when I hear all of the discourse around drug addicts “doing this to themselves”
@@ARareAndDifferentTune_13 as a fellow addict in recovery, i understand the sentiment from the level too
@@amberball3020 aw thank you so much, I wish you the same ❤️🩹
"Let's All Just Be Less Annoying" New Aubrey merch perhaps? Feels perfect for a coffee mug!
I love Maintenance Phase!!!!!!!!!! I already listened to their Ozempic episode but I will be listening to this too
I miss the days when people did tons of cocaine to lose weight - ya know, like an adult
exactly, unless your weight loss plan includes the soundtrack to boogie nights and a pack of Lucky Strike’s I don’t wanna hear it ✋come back when you’ve matured a little lol
now this is being a real one
LMAO
Blaming individual people for pharmaceutical companies not producing enough medication in order to pump up their prices and create a shortage artificially is a horrendous practice. MAKE MORE OZEMPIC and let everyone be able to buy it, The End.
YES. it's such a strange, yet convenient way to shame people for using a prescription drug.
Better yet, get rid of the patent system that keeps life-saving medications in limited supply and unaffordable
I didn't know about Aubrey before this video, and my bf and I have become such big fans of hers since I first watched this. Maintenance Phase and Your Fat Friend are incredible. I'll definitely continue to dig into her work. Thanks for having her on, Matt.
I’ve never been so happy for a show (and to find out she has a podcast). Can’t wait to binge all of the episodes!
As a fat person who is currently trying to lose weight, what Aubrey said about people checking their own bodies is so true. I didn't even realize it until she had said it that I did it to another large person at a restaurant the other day, and it was really eye opening to think about it from this angle.
The serotonin hit every time Aubrey says "boy oh boy" 😩👌
I love Aubrey so much! MP deserves all the praise as a podcast. It's a guiding star for all journalism but also media literacy. It really teaches us to break down ideas carefully, factcheck and consider things deeply. Anyway, this was a wonderful ep, thank you.
Love an Aubrey Gordon crossover....... if anyone liked her here & haven't read her books or listened to Maintenance Phase, I really can't recommend them enough.
This was such a great conversation. I adore Aubrey for all the work she does and Matt is the best for giving her a platform!
I saw this crossover and I came running. I am so excited for this episode!
This was a great episode and I'm doubly great to have stumbled across it because now there are new Maintenance Phase podcasts up that I've missed and I'm so excited!! According to Spotify the break was only from October 2023-March 2024 but it felt like an ETERNITY.
been listening to maintenance phase since the first episode but i had never actually SEEN aubrey before and it's so nice to put a smile to the infectuous laughter
The chemistry between you two is heartwarming. What a great watch. Subscribed!
Omg the body surveillance!!! I have been not super interested in Ozempic content and I didn't realize that was why. I hate the way I feel when I try to discern stuff like that based on looks alone. So glad this won't be that ❤
As a fat gay man, one thing that helped me have a better body image was to hang out with queer people who find bigger guys attractive. It's a struggle definitely.
got served 2 of your podcasts and both have been EXCELLENT so now im subbing x
I KNOW THAT LAUGH ANYWHERE AUBREY THE LOVE OF MY LIFE ❤❤❤❤❤
My viewpoint is around body autonomy. If you want to live in a thinner body I'm not going to judge you for that and I support you doing that in whatever way is available to you that doesn't hurt you or anyone else. I have zero beef with anyone who takes Ozympic and experiencing life changing weight loss, I'm v happy for them I'm sure it feels like a miracle.
I need you both to record as many more episodes as possible about whatever you want. You’re so delightful individually and even more so together
body shaming is 100% of the time cringe and projected insecurity and frankly we must all band together to ridicule body shamers into eternal silence
aubrey has such charisma, i listened to an episode of her podcast before but thank you for reminding me to listen to more of her, she’s amazing ❤
On doctors being a major source of fatshaming- I went to the cardiologist just to have a check up. All my test results were great. He asked me about my weight, I said yes I’ve always struggled going up and down since childhood. He actually fucking asked me “what does your husband think about your weight?” 🤯🤯🤯
Ohh hell no. I’m so sorry you had to hear that
I looove Aubrey! Seeing someone you've only listened to on a podcast is always so trippy. Like when their voice is that of a familiar friend but their face is completely new to me
Wow that Ozempic parade ad was one of the most dysoptian ads I've seen in a minute. And that's saying a lot 😅 edit: Did you just say "flavored oxygen"?
Great episode Matt! Would love more Aubrey in the future. Definitely going to be checking out maintenance phase for now ❤
Sometimes I click onto an hour plus podcast and I drop off. I am 1:01:31 in and it has felt like 15 minutes. Fabulous back and forth and true discussion all around. 🎉
I ove Aubrey Gordon and I'm hooked on maintenance phase since 3 months now. I just savor every episode since they are wonderful, I really love her laugh and her humor. I discovered your podcast and channel now Matt and I'm happy to have another deep dive of great discussions and debunking to enjoy.
Bless you for actually explaining what Ozempic is. As a Brit who doesn't use social media and doesn't follow celebrities, I'd never heard of it, so I spent the first 5 mins of this vid desperately confused and hoping you'd explain, haha.
Oh, I'm not the only one who didn't know then? Good to know! 😅
(Not Brit but Swiss, little use of social media and not following celebrities either.)
@@sonnentausnest Haha, hi5 for being clueless. Our lack of celebrity knowledge, and living in countries that aren't constantly parading branded drugs around really did us dirty for this one.
Omg I’ve been dying waiting on a new video. I was just listening to an old episode when I got the notification for this one yay!
My farts are better than Matt’s farts 💨
Lol I didn't even know that this was new. I was just listening to another video with Matt, ate some dinner and put on this about 10min ago and I see now that it's completely new. Nice
COLLAB FOR THE AGES! Love the laugh from Aubrey to welcome us into the pod
I have loved Aubrey's work for years! So great to see this conversation.
The ad for incognito had me gripped that story was so crazy
I really appreciated this conversation. Thank you!