97. Healthcare Ethics & Philosophy with Jennifer Lahl, Karen King, & Jake Wiskerchen
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Today I welcome back former guests Jennifer Lahl, Karen King, and Jake Wiskerchen for a collegial group chat. We catch up on their latest projects, including Jennifer’s new documentary on detrans men, The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood, and Karen’s Ideological Oasis group for counseling graduates and interns.
We dive into the topics of distress tolerance, emotion regulation, and parenting. We also touch on the latest news, including the recent New York Times article on detransitioners and the growing backlash against the medicalization of gender dysphoria. Throughout the episode, we examine the underlying philosophical and societal issues that contribute to the current state of mental health care.
Jennifer Lahl is an author, filmmaker, and founder of The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network. Her films include Trans Mission: What’s the Rush to Reassign Gender? (2021), The Detransition Diaries: Saving Our Sisters (2022), and The Lost Boys: Searching for Manhood (2024). Her new book, The Detransition Diaries (co-authored with Kallie Fell) also came out this year. She was originally featured in episode 52, Surrogacy: Liberation or Exploitation?
Karen King is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in Washington who provides clinical supervision, ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, and education on psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. She created The Ideological Oasis, a place where interns and graduate students can find support and clinical clarity through group and individual mentorship. Find her offerings at Ideologicaloasis.com and more about her psychedelic work at karencking.com. She was originally featured in episode 81, The State of Psychedelic Therapy in 2023: Karen King on Ketamine, MDMA, & Institutional Capture.
Jake Wiskerchen is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in Nevada; founder and CEO of Zephyr Wellness; and host of the podcasts Noggin Notes and Guns and Mental Health. In partnership with Walk the Talk America, he offers a low-cost CEU training to therapists on cultural competency in working with firearms owners. He was originally featured in episode 2, Jake Wiskerchen, LMFT: Demystifying Firearms and Other Taboo Topics in Mental Health.
Books mentioned in this episode:
Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier: amzn.to/4bHTgQn
Feminism Against Progress by Mary Harrington: amzn.to/3SMulCH
The Detransition Diaries by Jennifer Lahl & Kallie Fell: amzn.to/3ON381E
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00:00 Start
[00:02:33] Surrogacy and exploitation.
[00:05:01] Detransitioning and mental health.
[00:08:56] Erosion of medical ethics.
[00:12:06] Therapy ethics and ideologies.
[00:16:30] Ethical base and biological reality.
[00:19:37] Mental health professionals and detransitioners.
[00:24:05] Medical scandals and public awareness.
[00:27:43] Lack of preventative care.
[00:30:08] Compassion and enabling the problem.
[00:34:21] Unconscious sadism in our culture.
[00:37:06] Shifting Philosophical Perspectives.
[00:41:30] Ethical codes in counseling.
[00:45:36] Seeking consent in ethical debates.
[00:48:11] Medically transitioning children at 15.
[00:54:26] Psychedelics and disindoctrination.
[00:56:08] Exploring unconventional therapeutic practices.
[01:02:03] Unlocking the potential within.
[01:04:10] Threats to establishments and effectiveness.
[01:08:09] Our essential nature.
[01:11:37] The process of self-discovery.
[01:15:36] The duties of adolescence.
[01:20:54] Calling to task the medical profession.
[01:24:40] Creating parallel economies.
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Great conversation. Thank you very much.
So happy to see Stephanie get acknowledgement for all her work 💗✨
Fine work Stephanie. 🐿
I want to know more about precisely how "gender affirmative" practices do and do not follow the written standards and ethical frameworks of various professional bodies.
Re: young graduates who don't know much yet, but they'll perfectly recite DEI (quoting from memory).
As someone who came back to school later in life for my master's, meaning I see first hand how it looks like there today, but also coming as a mature person and from a different 'age': it's because the way the higher education is now, it's very difficult to differentiate what is the ideology and worldview part and what is the actual knowledge/theory of the discipline.
A young person who is very close to me, well, was, sadly, took LSD and came out of his "journey" AS A TRANSWOMAN. He saw that his True Self was, in fact, a woman. So, these journeys of self-discovery that are taken through the shortcut of chemicals instead of the hard, difficult, long-term path of living with one's eyes, mind, senses open and connected, reading, learning, speaking, being connected with others, studying, reflecting, moving, etc., can apparently lead a person to transition as well as to detransition... If self-discovery and self-healing can be accomplished with the use of chemicals, permit me to doubt the depth of such healing and discovery.
It's not Sadism it's slavery. The medical industrial complex views these patients as their property and you are stealing their property by convincing them to walk away. This is their investment, it's their plantation that they have tended too, it's a farm. These aren't patients they are livestock and they care about these patients the way a farmer cares about their livestock and the rage they feel is the rage of someone that feels they are being stolen from.
"We can't go full Anarchist Libertarian..."
We can, because Libertarian Anarchy, properly understood, is just a property rights-based legal framework, and does not imply some kind of moral commitment to maximized freedom and toleration of all behaviors. Individual owners, joint owners, and organizations can enforce whatever codes of conduct they want on their property. The rotary club that owns the local park can enforce the posted hours, can prohibit public drug use or graffiti art or whatever.
I don't mean to be pedantic or distract from the valid point the guest was making, but he's mischaracterizing the beliefs of many people outside of Portland who call themselves Libertarian Anarchists.
By the way, Haidt's research on Social Media and depression is extremely flawed:
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It's worth remembering that civilizations have endured various bizarre social manias as far back as human memory records. No particular technology is the common denominator, but it makes a convenient scapegoat.
What unit of measurement does 'extremely' fall under?
Writing is a technology. Writing is an extension of speech whether it be through paper & pencil, printing press, television, radio or digital technology. It would be foolish to suppose speech has not served as a 'common denominator' feeding or spreading a social contagion. Modern media is speech on nuclear steroids. It is capable of amplifying all emotions, including depression. 🐿