Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness In Review - Every Marvel Movie Ranked & Recapped
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This episode of Kinda Funny's In Review rank, review, and recap the 2016 Marvel Studios MCU film Doctor Strange 2 directed by Sam Raimi and starring Benedict Cumberbatch and Elizabeth Olsen as The Scarlet Witch.
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Can’t believe they didn’t talk about Mordo being stuck in a 5ft tall pit.
I can't believe no one mentioned that they completely brushed off the post-credits scenes from the first movie and Mordo has ALREADY tried to kill Strange (and we haven't seen this)
@@Thunder025 EXACTLY THIS !!!! I Rewatched the first and was like "Oh shit that's right they saving that for part 3 " but NOPE!
@@Thunder025
Mordo's just small time for Strange, they made that clear here. What's funny though is how Aquaman's equivalent small time villain is now actually becoming big time main villain, lol. They both did the same things but went opposite directions.
@@Alex_Logan22 that mordo credit scene from the first movie has yet to be followed up it dont matter
@@chrislopez5301
Strange addressed it as he was goading 838 Mordo into attacking him. Marvel basically handwaved it away.
The chaos that Wanda and Strange created in universe 838. I would like to see the aftermath of other heroes realizing that somebody killed 5 of the strongest heroes in that universe. And maybe that's the incursion that Clea was talking about.
What if season 2 for sure! Or possibly xmen cartoon universe?
Mordo wasnt killed tho
@@chrislopez5301 so he's the one who's going to rally that universe and get revenge in universe 616
@@jeffmor01 duh secret wars
@@chrislopez5301 but it can't be a secret
Wanda lost both parents, was betrayed by Ultron, lost her brother, became hated after the accident in Lagos, had to kill Vision and then watch him be killed by Thanos, had to end the hex and lose Vision again and her children. Then the Darkhold gets her. After all that, it's no surprise that she finally turned heel.
100%
She didn't have to end the Hex, she chose to, big difference. She turned purely because of a cheap plot device, which is disappointing storytelling coming off of WandaVision.
But the actual turn wasn’t shown. Rlm also suggested they show that shift as it pertains to the core of the film
Exactly. She has a turn in the comics as well. I think part of the problem is our own attachments beliefs about characters we like in not being able to see them in a bad way, but this is Exactly why even in real life people are like 90% more likely to be murdered by a spouse, family member, friend or loved one than some scary stranger like we think. Like you said, Wanda grew up tragically, lost her parents, was experimented on by Hydra, betrayed by Ultron, lost her brother, had to kill Vison only to have him immediately brought back to watch him die again, then had to get rid of the Hex where she lost Vision for a 3rd time as well as her kids, had everyone hate her for it, and then got taken by the Darkhold. I'm like, if that isn't a laid out Villan origin story I don't know what is.
Tim looks like he wants to sell me an 8 ball.
Kevin nailed the vibe I got from Scarlet Witch. What's remarkable is MCU provided so much backstory for Wanda, and we spent so much time with her that when the Darkhold corrupts her, it's sad to see her struggle. She tried to manipulate her mind to give her the future she wanted in Wanda...it imprisoned a whole town. She tried everything she could to be good and do the right thing as an Avenger. And she lost everything. She tells Dr. Strange, straight up...what did you lose? So, she turned to the Darkhold for answers. I loved the fake-out because when it was revealed early on, that "hey, im the bad guy here. " I was like, oh, we will get the Scarlet Witch that scorches the Earth in this movie. The Scarlet Witch is the most powerful Mutant in the Marvel Universe.
Yeah, they showed us Strange Supreme being corrupted by the dark hold and Wanda had a whole town captive in Wanda Vision. Her being the baddy of the movie was earned.
Another thing I don’t think the guys realized is that WandaVision takes place in 2023 a few months after Endgame. MoM takes place in 2025, so she had the Darkhold for two full years. That is two full years of the most evil thing in the universe corrupting her. This wasn’t just some sudden shift in personality.
I'm with Kevin, this shit was dope. This was fresh. Only MCU movies/projects I've seen twice since Endgame were this, eternals, and spiderman.
Kevin was an absolute W this entire review. Movie was a blast
I felt like blessing or someone else should have been swapped in. Kevin and Tim piggy backed this review.
@@howdydutt1e I disagree. I feel like these type of reviews are more interesting to watch when you have 2 or more conflicting sides on them rather than just all 5 of them having the same opinion. It’s not that fun when it’s like that.
That's almost all of them hahahaha
@@tristanmayer5373 only ones he didn't see twice were black widow and shangchi
Piggybacking on Tim talking about how Professor X told Doctor Strange to save America and run. I feel like he knew America couldn’t control her powers and like that’s Professor X’s whole deal.
Teaching kids with powers how to control their powers.
Trusting Strange to help teach her.
Wong clearly says that the Scarlet Witch was destined to either rule or destroy the cosmos.
Agatha Harkness in the WandaVision season finale reading from the darkhold - "Your power exceeds that of the sorcerer supreme, it's your destiny to destroy the world"
Greg and Nick - "It doesn't make sense how Wanda got here."
lol
lol....like did he watch or understand the series??
I agree with Greg and Nick. The issue isn't that it doesn't make sense of how Wanda got to that point, only that WandaVision ended with Wanda seeming to have resolved the storyline regarding Vision and her kids, accepting their loss. Yes, there is a post-credit stinger that shows her looking at other multiverses, but without a hint of malice. The movie just kind of goes straight to immediate evil bad guy. Though I understand Andy's point that having an extra scene that kind of shows the Dark Hold having some sway over Wanda making that reveal less surprising, I think it would have made the turn not feel so sudden.
That being said, I think Wanda was an awesome villain and I did like how they resolved her arc in the movie.
@@nokaroundgy8674 How exactly did she resolve her issues?
She let go of... well, her own citizen torture machine.
She didn't face any punishment. That's the best villain maker that exists.
@@nokaroundgy8674 it doesn't matter if you read a book of the damned without malice. Its still a cursed ass book. lol.
I'm with Andy on this one. It was full cheesy Sam Raimi BS, and I was all in. Really fun ride all the way through.
I didn't like it for that same reason. It's a bottom tier Marvel movie for me
sam raimi is really the only thing holding this back from being a top 10 for me. it's good, but damn the cheese takes me out of it sometimes. I would've much rather seen another director have this one
I loved this movie. It was edgier, darker but still heartfelt. Except the usage/lack of cameos, I really liked this one like the first.
Why are we complaining about this film feeling different from the first Dr. Strange? Thor Ragnarok is one of the best Marvel films, and both the film AND Thor feel NOTHING like the first two films, or Thor from the first two films.
This film was a lot of fun. I don't always like Raimi, but man. This film had FLAVOR and it's what Marvel really needs to lean into. Eternals, love it or hate it, really feels like it's a film made by THAT director. Ragnarok is better for having Waititi's touch all over it. Same with the Guardians.
Being different doesn’t automatically make something good just because another thing that was also different was good.
@@R17759 But it was good though...soooo that argument doesn't hold weight because it's a decent movie at worst.
The thing I love about the more recent entries is that Disney is allowing each franchise to have its own identity. Guardians IS James Gunn. Thor IS Taika Waititi. Captain America WAS The Russo Bros. The more we let directors have that creative control, the more that these characters can have their own unique identity.
@@toomastom3827 exactly... lol
I feel like there’s no way John Krasinski won’t return in the Fantastic 4 movie.
I really hope so, he was so great
I think the rubble that Wanda is trapped under in the minds cape is meant to be the rubble of her family home in Sakovia (sp?) where she and her brother are facing the Stark missile, which if true, is a brilliant touch IMO. And I completely agree with Tim that not directly seeing the gore of Scarlet Witch's rampage made it seem so much more brutal than it really was (and it was brutal enough already)
It was definitely meant to reflect that.
Wanda was reading the dark hold at the end of WandaVision. Her story isn't done yet. This film explores the punishment of reading that book both on Wanda and Dr Strange.
Loved this movie. I think a second viewing will cement my opinion on it. Right now I'm at a 8/10.
They also explain WHY she went off the rails reading the Darkhold. Pretty fuckin in depth too lmao.
6.5/10
To comment on the movie not showing America's developing her power. Dr Strange makes the realization that she has been subconsciously using her powers as intended (To get them where they needed to be.) She just needed someone to tell her what she has been doing this whole time. So it was more than just Dr. Strange telling her to "Believe in herself"...
I fully feel the range of reactions from Nick to Kevin. I'm excited for a rewatch but what I'm sure of is how Wanda is easily a top tier villain. Her and Thanos are the two villains I had a real sense of dread with every time they were on screen and the use of her powers was brutal. There's no way she's dead though, she told Agatha she'd come back for her when she needs her. Wanda definitely needs somebody who understands what she's meddled with
This is like a 90s MCU movie and I loved it!!!! Especially the editing when Wanda was dream walking. Felt like something out of a 90s goth horror movie.
10 yr old me watching fox kids would never fathom that black bolt would speak a person out of existence on the big screen, and that Patrick Stewart yellow chair Xavier was next to him.
The watch being repaired was symbolic for Strange because Christine in his world had already moved on but he hadn’t until he got that closure either the other Christine.
Nick is literally the first person I’ve seen complain about Wanda’s role.
I think she’s clearly the best part of the film, and her motivations are, for me, clearly built with a through line of desire for her family.
The problem is it goes against the sacrifices she would make, which they established, so it felt like a cheap plot device was used to turn her into a villain, and WandaVision was all about clever/compelling writing so it was a huge drop for her and her arc. Olsen still did an amazing job working with what she had, but it was significantly weaker than what she just had prior.
Wanda was my big issue in this movie. We had one glimpse of her with the dark hold in the WV post credit after all that character development and she went FULL heel this movie and was killing indiscriminately. Did not like that massive shift, she basically proved Agatha right.
Nah, it’s the second most common complaint about the movie (after Raimi’s style).
I don’t understand the complainants because the turn was strongly hinted at during the final wandavision scene with her creating a hex with an illusion of her for the outside world while she was really studying the dark hold.
Her turn and motivation made complete sense, and it was awesome to see Elizabeth Olsen be absolutely terrifying. And you could see during Charles’ visit in her mind that she’s still there deep, deep down. But clearly the dark hold was corrupting her.
@@AlexLove631
It was hinted at that she was using Astral projection to study the book while laying low, not that she created an exterior illusion for Strange or others. They also hinted at her kids having been kidnapped to another universe with them screaming out for her help, which the movie completely dropped.
The Wanda Xavier was trying to save was the one from his universe, to free her from evil Wanda’s control.
Shocker. The guys who shit all over Raimi’s spiderman 1&2 don’t like Raimi’s Dr strange?! 🥸
I’m surprised that Greg hated the campy Raimi stuff in this, he’s the one who loves the Raimi Spider-man movies.
@@CrowTRobot
Raimi took his Spiderman movies a lot more seriously. In here, the big climax is a zombie Strange telling a kid to believe in herself.
Wanda is this far gone BECAUSE of the Darkhold. They explain multiple times that it warps the user so yes it is a stark difference but it's believable. This is a tragic story for Wanda and for me she has now crossed the line of no return. She is unredeemable and the tragedy of the situation is gut wrenching.
She's never really been to blame for anything she's done though, it would be like saying Bucky is irredeemable. The Hydra brainwashing was just a much better storytelling device than the Darkhold.
The problem isn't that it wasn't believable, but that it was a bad creative decision, or bad execution at least, after all the nuance and care taken with WandaVision. I expect Wanda to be a villain but I don't want storytelling to go backwards. A very easy work around would've been to just have a variant Wanda be the villain, and our Wanda would've still been much weaker without the Darkhold knowledge plus her holding back, so that the villain Wanda still has the same affect. It would've also been a good duality of a Wanda who just sacrificed her kids versus one who's doing everything she can to have them.
I do think the obsession of seeing her real kids being happy ij multiple universe would of driven anyone crazy.
As long as she gets free from the Darkhold, she's totally redeemable for me. Darkhold is bad news, it currupted her to do all those things, With no more darkhold, we'll start to get regular Wanda back
@@Alex_Logan22 Wanda has always been to blame for her actions. She knew full well what she was doing in WandaVision and her grief doesn't excuse her. She completely broke after the events in Westview and Darkhold is merely amplifying her feelings.
@@MikeAvoo
She didn't break after Westview, she broke when seeing the property Vision bought for them. And in that moment she had no idea of her innate abilities to control/alter reality nor what was even happening. For her, her happiness in Westview was like a dream she didn't want to wake up from. The story is far more complex than haters like to give it credit for.
This movie was just what I needed! Such a fun, weird trip. Raimi was really able to genre hop and didn’t have to be precious about characters and it was such a great popcorn flick. Perfect time to release a movie like this since we’re in between Avengers-style cohesion in the MCU.
I'm actually on Kevin's side for once. Hell must have frozen over.
Yeah one of the few times I'm all in agreement with Kevin.
It’s so bizarre to him defend this movie, given how much he really disliked Rami’s Style and the OG Spider-Man Trilogy.
I’m always on Kevin’s side 😃😄 my opinions usually align with his
Strange was Sorcerer Supreme before Infinity War but because he blipped for 5 years it got passed on to Wong. They state that when Peter goes to speak with Strange at the start of No Way Home.
Dark/horror doesn’t automatically equal good. I liked some of the visuals and loved that it had a different feel, but if this wasn’t a Marvel movie connected to other things, I would’ve liked it even less. Not a bad movie by any stretch, but it had a lot problems. I’ll give Marvel the benefit of the doubt and see where this leads
Wanda wreaking havoc in the Illuminati hall was the highlight for me
I'm noticing a lot of reviewers from the same age generation aren't digging this move. And as much as Nick says he "loves" Sam Raimi, I don't really think that's true if you look at his reviews of his Spiderman movies.
This is arguably the most Raimi movie, so idk how fans of him wouldn’t love this
it was too Raimi for me. It was like the Army of Darkness guy came in and played with my toys l like but he doesn't really care about my toys at all and just told his Evil Dead story with them.
Exactly, this is way more Raimi than the Spider-man films.
Yeah Nick just seems down on the movie overall, clearly wasn't for him.
@@toomastom3827 To be fair most movies that don’t start with “star wars” aren’t for Nick.
The part with zombie Strange telling America to believe in herself was 100% intended to be funny. The absurdity of him being a corpse giving the cliche believe in yourself speech was the joke. That humour is all over the Evil Dead films.
Its just kinda hard to believe that he would go through the effort of willingly corrupting himself and in his desperation, that's his plan that he fully believes is going to work.
He does have a soft spot for kids, we've seen that now across 2 movies, but it still makes no sense. I feel like if it was Evil Dead, Wanda would've just vaporized her.
I can't get over how they full on confirmed that we're working up towards a Secret Wars event and I'm so hyped.
Also I think the fact that we didn't get someone like Tom Cruise or anyone else as Iron Man and that none of the variants were different actors (all Strange were Benedict ect..) I think means that John Krasinski will be the main Reed Richards
Captain Marvel was different?
@@brandondean4202 I ment like the same characters same actors. Like Captain Carter and Maria Rambeau took the mantle of their respective characters but are still played by the same actors.
Yes, it sets the rules of the Reed Richards variant. He will be played by John Krasinski
MCU Xavier definitely won't be Patrick Stewart, so that's a hole in your logic. He's way too old for such a long term commitment. He might voice the role in 97 X-Men, but that's a different universe and just voice acting.
@@Alex_Logan22 true, I guess I can justify it in my head because until officially shown, I subscribe to the theory that a House of M type event has already happened and that's why there's not really any mutants currently. I think they can cast a little younger and say something like it had a similar effect of the snap so when they come back they're the same age as when the vanished. That same justification can be used for Magneto can still be a holocaust victim without being as old.
Of course Kevin loved it 😆 I'm surprised his list isn't just every movie tied for #1
I think I might put Wanda right under Thanos for villians.
An idea for a Disney+ show: Multi-Verse of America. Follow America Chavez travel through different multiverses looking for her parents.
I had a big ass pot brownie before seeing it Thursday night. That was the best Marvel opening night experience of my life. I watched it again tonight. Still would put this in my Top 10 favorite marvel movie. Absolutely incredible, despite some cheesy moments I hate. I didn’t care for the cameos, but I’m glad it was handled in the way it was.
Holy hell. Could not disagree with Nick more on this. First Marvel movie I've seen in quite some time that doesn't feel like it was made on a factory line. Sam Raimi is the absolute GOAT.
Wanda was my favorite part part of the movie. The Darkhold corrupts the reader. Which I believe gets around all the concerns of this not being the same Wanda we left in Wandavision.......because its not. Evil book does a lot of bad to the soul. I think we'll see her again but free of the Darkholds influence
Yeah, not sure how this is being skipped over here.
I've seen it twice now and love it. Feels so different from the other MCU movies.
Multiverse of Madness was everything I wanted. Spectacular set-pieces and visuals. Sam Raimi infusing horror into the MCU was a breathe of fresh air, combined with an amazing Danny Elfman score. Moments that shocked me in all the right ways. Awesome villain.
I’m shocked at the divisive nature of this movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it and think it’s a lot better than the first, can’t wait to see it again.
I didn’t know that I wanted Evil Dead 4 for the first major deep dive multiverse movie. Loved how it was a marvel movie but Raimi really had the freedom to flex how he wanted. For all the minor issues I and some may have you have to respect that approach, and I think it paid off for essentially a franchise of 30 plus movies at this point.
Forget the fact that this is a horror film. Forget the mass murder and demons. The scariest thing Raimi does here is make you look inward and ask yourself, “are you happy?”
I’m sorry, but the fucking guitar riff with Zombie Strange using demons as his cape is the coldest thing ever.
Holy shit, Raimi took Disney’s “family friendly” studio money and made a horror film. This film gave me Michael Myers Wanda, and I’M ALL FOR IT. That was amazing in every way possible. I think it could’ve used 15 extra minutes in the runtime to allow some breathing room, but that’s all I can really complain about in terms of structure. This movie is all gas and no breaks. Raimi is a madman. God I missed his style, soul, and heart so much.
Yup those guitars man... wonderful work and as a fan of Sam, it was more than I imagined and pretty self-containing all things considered. Sucks I didn't keep my expectations in check when those trailers and rumors came out but I'm glad I was so suprised by how crazy it ended up going!
100%.
You can make a Perlmutter-era MCU film that adheres to a formula and I forget the next day. Or you can just let Raimi go off the reservation, risk dividing the audience but ultimately end up with something crazy, soulful and weird.
I’m all for it.
I want Raimi to do Strange 3.
Yup and something I appreciate the jokes didn’t feel obnoxious no point does a moment of tension get broken because a character has to say something sarcastic like a lot of this movies tend to do it’s still funny but not during the moments with the villain or the characters actually having a very emotional scene
@@totalcliche3066 YES! I don’t think it was the best humor in the world, but it was certainly more organic. Especially when compared to the first Strange movie with awful stuff like Wong bursting into laughter in the end.
@@AlexLove631 i kept waiting for someone to say something during Wanda’s scenes the closest we got was the comment about the lunch box at the beginning
I got out the cinema about 2 hours ago (it's 1am right now), I just finished watching the screen cast spoiler free review, thinking about heading to bed but was bummed out because there is so much in this movie that I wanted hear you guys talk about, but the in review wasn't up yet. I refresh the feed.... and there it is, baby.
THANK YOU
Hypocrite was a call back from the first movie when Cicilius calls the Ancient One a Hypocrite for using the Dark Dimension powers from their first fight.
So regarding the scene where the watch opens the door and not the eye... I think it was meant to show that this strange is different. He listens to Kristine, and even says thanks, showing that he doesn't always have to "hold the knife."
This is one of the most unique and beautiful marvel movies I’ve seen.
Legit been refreshing YT all afternoon waiting for this. :D
Can't agree that they didn't set up Wanda correctly. Wanda's powers are more than evident in the MCU. She nearly killed Thanos without even trying. She is a villain as Wandavision ends, that's really obvious.
A villain who sacrificed her kids/love/happiness? Makes sense.
Yea but we didnt see wanda fight a full power thanos with the infinity gauntlet
A Deadpool cameo would of been cool during the cell scene. Having him as another prisoner for the Illuminati would of been funny.
I thoroughly enjoyed this movie and I agree with Kevin's point about Wanda's motivation
I felt strange with Wanda because of WandaVision, but only almost at the end of the movie, i understood that she was not herself because of the darkhold
She was almost like a zombie/rabid at the end. I think the darkhold corrupted her a lot more than Agatha because Agatha embraced the evil, Wanda thought she was doing the right thing and the Darkhold fed into that.
@@marvelencyclopedia it's an interesting point
@@marvelencyclopedia
Wanda knew it was wrong when she sacrificed her kids.
Wow I’m surprised this one was so divisive, I loved this movie! You felt the fear and might of Scarlett Witch, you felt the cool mysterious nature of magic in the MCU and the cameos were awesome! The boys are kinda wild for this one.
The point was Doctor Strange's growth and not always 'needing to be the one holding the knife', Nick really missed a lot with this. He acts like they don't set this up, first they mention that more than once like he said. Both Christines mention the exact same thing at different points. Also it is his actions that continue that theme throughout. If you missed main points of the movie, hard for your argument to stand up.
I caught all those points and still agree with Nick personally because man I really felt nothing at all, totally fell flat surprisingly
@@JoshMarshain I don’t think it will be for everyone but it worked for me.
The "Low" bit with Greg and Andy was pure gold
that part of the intro it showed yall standing in action stance was a banger
“That’s a fashion cape for sure” -Kevin 😂😂🤣😂🤣
Had so much fun with this movie. Just got to the part where you're talking about the book getting destroyed in all the universes. I justified it by thinking of it as a Nexus place. Like that temple to the Scarlet Witch only exists in one universe (the same way only one America exists and that only one Scarlet Witch exists). Like this temple only exists in 616 because that's where the Scarlet Witch was prophesied. Since the books were copies of things from that place they also went away for some time/multiverse reason
With the gotee, Tim looks like snow bike Mike
Haven't seen it in the comments yet but the old movie Greg is referencing where a kid grows an eye on his palm is The Gate (1987).
I know you guys might not even see this but The Gate was a movie I grew up on but couldn't figure out the name of. I've tried to Google this movie for years and just buy you guys giving me that small detail, I was able to figure out the movie. Thank you so much!!!! Big fan btw!!!
Am I wrong but didn't this movie explain that the darkhold heavily controls the person who reads/has it?
Kevin is looking mad good, what a stud
Random comment since yall have had it for a while but man, that intro is *really* something very special
If it was a Sony movie it'd be shit city.
Wandavision did NOT have a true resolution and neither did Wanda. She kidnapped and tortured people and had her false reality ripped from her and all we really got was her waltzing away with zero accountability and playing with an obviously dangerous book. Her character needs this movie and her arc is still far from complete.
The thing about this movie is that it both felt like it needed a longer run time, while also feeling like it went on forever at times.
Definitely pacing issues
I’m with Kev on this one. I enjoyed it. I’d say 4/5.
New independent cinema just opened in my small town in the UK for the first time since 90’s (saves a 2hr round trip to the previous cinema) so just walked home from this movie… feels strange haha 👏👏👏👏
Generally it's a bit of a problem on the internet and I see it in the comments where people insist there must be consensus on everything, you seem to get it a lot with fandoms. Disagreeing is ok, let people have a different opinion to yours.
Gets boring otherwise.
It's obvious now how Spider-Man: NWH would have been different. America was learning magic at the end of this. So I think the spell in NWH would have just been a "forget me" spell cast by America, who screws it up and accidentally uses her multiverse power at the same time. I imagine the thing with Wong disappearing from the Sanctum was originally both Strange and Wong having to quickly leave to fight a monster or something, leaving Peter in the Sanctum with America.
It's such a shame because that whole section of NWH with Strange acting out of character is pretty weak, but America doing it makes perfect sense. It would be good if we eventually get an optional "America cut" of NWH but I know that will never happen.
Also, that whole thing with snow being in the Sanctum - I would put money on that being there because there was supposed to be set up for her powers for people who hadn't seen MoM and she would accidentally open a portal and let the snow in that way. I bet that's where those shoveling interns came from - that was meant to be her.
The raising of the hands lol I can't...
5 mins in so don’t know if anyones pointed out but i love how red Tim’s background is
I was never a Dr Strange fan as a kid, so I wasn't expecting to like this
LETS GO. I really enjoyed it! Sam Raimi was a perfect fit for the horror campy feel of it
Wut?
I fucking loved this movie.
As did I!
I guess I'm in the minority. This is top tier MCU for me. I won't rank them, but I'd put it at the bottom of my top tier MCU movies. Edit: Also, Wanda would be great as the MCU's Vader. Turned evil by tragedy and influence. She could be Thanos crossed with Hela, and that would be so badass.
I agree about her being the MCU’s Vader.
Would you rank this above the first movie?
You’re not really in the minority. It’s generally well received. The internet just has a tendency to make it seem like a movie is either amazing or absolute garbage
@@Wagyusoldier I think most people agree it’s a high 7 or low 8 (or in KF scale a high 3 or low 4). It’s definitely not bad, I just think we haven’t seen the MCU ever been this sloppy. Between Eternals, No Way Home, and this, there isn’t a common goal apparent
You’re not in the minority. Plenty of people loved it. Most people. But it’s a bit divisive.
the reason they likely didnt mention Spiderman is because it came out before this and it wasnt supposed to, so they couldn't totally rewrite this one to include that stuff so much without major edits/reshoots or something. On this flip side, I wonder how this movie would have changed or Spiderman would've changed to reflect being in their original release spots
When Wanda started murking Sorcerers, I was like "Holy shit, where did this come from?!".
Weak writers
I just rewatched both Wandavision and Doctor Strange and I am sorry Nick is so wrong, I feel like Sam Raimi style fits perfect for this. You get the weird trippyness of Doctor Strange, you get the quirkiness and weird humor of Wandavision, and you have Wanda with these weird powers acting as the Villian (which reminds me of the start of Age of Ultron) and thus the horror elements. And if you watch Wandavision right before this, you will understand why she is doing what she is doing. It feels like Nick has goldish syndrome here, just forgetting what all this stuff was like and how it built to this. There is some Sam Raimi style that you either like or don't like, the specific camera movements and music cues, but the overall tone and pacing works really well to combine all these elements.
Raimi style was fine, cheap plot devices like the Darkhold and Chavez not. Movie had bad writing compared to WandaVision.
@@Alex_Logan22 you can’t just say “cheap plot points” and feel like something was accomplished
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I didn't say plot points, I said plot devices. The movie didn't have the caliber of writers needed to turn WandaVision's Wanda into a believable/compelling villain, so they used a cheap plot device (the Darkhold) to make it happen, when they could've just used a variant Wanda and preserve the integrity of the Wanda that WandaVision painstakingly created.
@@Alex_Logan22 thanks for not expounding at all.
@@Alex_Logan22 yeah the writing was the issue for me as well. I really liked Raimi’s style for the film and the visuals were amazing, but there was a lot of cheesy moments and the dialogue was average at best too.
You know is crazy is good that you that twice as excited as the mcu in review intro
Loved this! I agree with both Andy and Kevin! Great in review.
I really enjoyed this movie. It could’ve been an easy crowd pleaser, jumping around a bunch of multiverses meeting random characters “OMG DEADPOOL 😱”
Instead, they went for a smaller, personal story that is more Director-Driven than any other MCO film. The score was better than most other Marvel OSTs too. I was very impressed with this movie.
Its not anymore director-driven than Eternals or WandaVision. The notion of Marvel not letting directors make movies how they like was broken a long long time ago. As long as the story is within the parameters of their larger blueprint and established lore, they can always do whatever they want.
We know that’s not true. Even this director was held back.
saw the movie twice yesterday ive been dying waiting for this upload lets goooooo
@I LIVE CREED how?you watch it and then got back in line and bought another ticket
@@paulsmith9192 lol nah i originally had a showing at 715 with a bad seat, and the day of, i found a 3pm showing with a much better seat. So i went to that showing then decided to go again
Marvel's official website, and I believe Benedict Cumberbatch's interviews during the Infinity War press tour, states that Stephen Strange was the Sorcerer Supreme during Infinity War. Even when Peter Parker comes to the Sanctum, he says to Strange "I thought you were the Sorcerer Supreme" meaning Strange (off-screen) told Peter that on the way to Titan.
So it is weird that in this movie, it's treated as if he never held that title. He doesn't know about the Book of Vishanti while Wong does, with Wong explaining that he learned about it in a secret book only Sorcerer Supremes have.
Any chance that we could get an Evil Dead Trilogy in review with the new game coming out and Raimi semi returning to horror?
There's no way Wong could have died in this movie. He still has a storyline to do with Shang Chi and Captain Marvel
Fun fact for Tim and all the other hyper-nerds like me: The creature in the movie actually IS Shuma Gorath, problem being Marvel doesn't own the game. Shuma Gorath was created by Robert E. Howard (creator of Conan the Barbarian) for his story stores "Kull the Conqueror" in the late 1920's. The name is owned by a company called Heroic Signatures, who own all of Howard's works, and their president recently said that Marvel never even asked to license the name. Gargantos is a super doofy looking Namor villain who is literally just a one-eyed octopus, and Marvel just used the name because they already owned it.
When Greg and Andy broke into song with Low by Flo Rida, I paused the episode and put that song on full blast. THEY DON’T MAKE THEM LIKE THAT ANYMORE!
I assumed that all the universes Wanda saw where her kids existed, it had to be taking place during the hex. But Kev’s theory about her finding a universe where her kids made it out of the hex alive is definitely interesting
Not having Bruce Campbell actually be Ash as they’re falling through different universes I think is the biggest missed opportunity for me.
I dunno I just absolutely loved Wanda as a villain and honestly carried the whole movie for me. Loved it. She was legit horrifying, by far scariest villain in mcu and I cannot believe they gave us Krasinski
I feel the run time probably hurt the film.Especially w movie about the multeverse. I want to see the cut footage
It felt too long already
So it turns out Danny Elfman didn't compose Spider-Man 3. That was Christopher Young. Who also worked with Raimi in Drag me to Hell.
Literally walking out of the theater now. This is perfect timing. Love you guys, thank you for all the content MCU and otherwise! :)
In an unrelated note, kinda salty that Inhumans gets a movie shoutout before Agents of SHIELD ever does (and that show featured the Darkhold as essentially the villain of Season 4).
So far this movie seems so divisive in people’s opinions. So many people seem to really not like it and I had such a blast and loved every moment of it that I don’t understand why so many people don’t like this movie.
@Canon every movie,divisive though.I know movies people love,that I dont and vice,versa.no movie loved by everyone
People have opinions. Your opinion is not right, their opinions are not wrong.
Well sure I understand what the concept of an opinion is. It just feels like eating ice cream for the first time and I’m loving it and so many people around me are hating it and saying it’s too cold or too sugary or doesn’t have enough grains in it and I’m just sitting there thinking that this ice cream is the best new desert I’ve had in a long time and have no category for why so many people don’t like it.
I typically like divisive movies since that means it didn’t play it safe.
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Believe it or not, not even everyone likes ice cream, especially older people who start discovering how poorly its treating their health/body versus other foods.
Thank god for Kevin and Andy, I thought I was about to be in for 2hrs of aour grapes :P.
It didnt quite meet my expectations but I still had a really good time with this movie. The visuals were fantastic, the horror was on another level and Elizabeth Olsen killed it as Scarlett Witch. I need to see it again to see I where I really come down on it but right now it would make my top 10 MCU movies.
Expectations would have been better managed if it wasn't called "Multiverse of Madness", I feel like they could have saved that title for a movie down the line, this film didn't really justify it.
I was surprised how quickly Wanda went completely evil considering she redeemed herself at the end of WandaVision. I'm sure they will put it down to the corruption of the darkhold but she did some twisted stuff in this.
The post credit scene was a little weird to me. The end shot of the movie is Strange screaming in horror as his 3rd eye awakens but the post credit is him merrily walking down the same streets, having zero issues when it appears again. Perhaps there is a significant jump in time between these scenes but it really lessened the impact of the final shot for me.
Yea it was no Cap Civil War, killing two birds with one stone.
The apple bottom jeans part 🤣😂🤣😂
What happened to kev at 1:59:07 lmaooo
Just finished this movie @Disney+ right after Kenobi finale.
Whata day, man
I swear if you focus just on Nick, you can tell how hard he's trying to restrain himself from nitpicking every little detail during the plot recap. Now that's character development right there.
Agree with all his complaints so far. I wish he didn't hold back.
For me this has been the best of this phase of marvel films. I hope marvel learns from this and goes forward with the best bits. Side note, fuck knows how they kept the rating they did - the death scenes in this stayed with me for a while after viewing. Well done to the cast and crew on this one.
I think The Batman's sound design and unrelenting/overbearing tone stood out more as far as PG13 goes and stuck with me more. The things in this movie were more about shock value for the sake of entertainment.
Black bolts death actually shocked me. And xaviers.