57. Scent control Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- This is part 2 of several scent control videos.
For all 12 of John's in depth scent control documents and to have John email you when the ScentLok Saddle Hunter suit will be available, email your request to: deerjohn51@gmail.com
Information on this video includes: how not having to pay attention to wind direction has changed how John scouts, prepares locations and hunts, activated carbon technology, electron microscope photos of activated carbon particles, molecules bonded to activated carbon, a partially bogus podcast I did, how heat from a dryer energizes molecules and examples of it that everyone has witnessed, sodium bicarbonate and water sprays, naysayers and more.
For those of you that have been listening to me for a while, there is a lot of info in this that you already know.
Part 3 will be a hands on video showing gear and garments, while explaining, everything to do with a scent control regimen from A to Z. It will be a 75 minute video.
Part 3 will be posted on June 10th at 7:30 pm and it will be the video most of you have been waiting for. It will be 73 minutes long and other than the intro, it will be hands on where I will be handling and explaining every aspect of a scent control regimen from A to Z. Parts 1 and 2 were to lay a foundation from a technology standpoint so part 3 of showing the goods would be more understandable. Part 4 of 4 will be posted on June 24th and it will be a detailed, yet simple audio video of the 8 steps required for proper care and storage and it will have kill photo's on the screen from some of the bucks I've taken since using ScentLok in 1997.
Instructions unclear, heading out to trade in my ESS for a loin cloth now!🤣
Should sox be a "one and done" apparel. Re wash every time?
I’d say that’s the most important one in done because of the moisture aspect
My only concern is afternoon hunting walking in. I can't setup my stand all decked out in Scentlok without sweating profusely. Especially earlier in the year. So, I still play the wind on certain scenarios. Morning hunts are better for this. I can see why you get in early and stay all day.
Could you possibly make a "in conjunction with" video? I think this is where I'm lagging behind. Thanks
Part 3 will have everything in it and it will be hands on showing gear from A to Z and it will show some items I use for warm weather.
After trying an extreme scent control regime like yourself for 4 years I don’t believe it works. I got the whole works so imma do an experiment with my dogs. They’re very food motivated. Imma buy some hotdogs because they’re oily and pretty smelly. If they can find it rolled up in the middle of a whole set of my sentlok gear then imma stick to my opinion. No I won’t be touching the hotdog and they won’t be around when I prep it. I’ll then place it in an area they frequent to see how long it takes them to find it. I’ll edit this post with the results
John, I'm wanting to learn how to properly use, care for and store sentlock clothing. This is 2 videos now where you really just discuss the same thing over and over. I don't care about what TV hunters are doing, I'm interested in your methods. I'm hoping soon you will talk about how you actually use the technology. I really respect what you have accomplished in your hunting career and was hoping to learn something new from you but honestly your last few videos you just seem pissed at the hunting industry. Anyway I'll still keep watching and waiting, thanks for taking the time to put these videos out.
Send him an email he has a great breakdown of the ScentLok system he uses. It’s a bunch of reading but it has helped me so much.
@@unadillariveroutdoors9690 thanks, I didn't know that was an option.
He has several videos about this
Part 3 will be posted on June 10th at 7:30 pm and it will be the video most of you have been waiting for. It will be 73 minutes long and other than the intro, it will be hands on where I will be handling and explaining every aspect of a scent control regimen from A to Z. Parts 1 and 2 were to lay a foundation from a technology standpoint so part 3 of showing the goods would be more understandable. Part 4 of 4 will be posted on June 24th and it will be a detailed, yet simple audio video of the 8 steps required for proper care and storage and it will have kill photo's on the screen from some of the bucks I've taken since using ScentLok in 1997.
@@johneberhart4062 sounds good, thanks again.
Hi John, I have a question. You have mentioned that you typically don't wear a head covering while walking into a hunting location. I'm assuming you don't want to saturate your hat with sweat, which would make sense. Could you please address this a bit further? One concern I have is getting sweated up while walking into a location. Many times I just wear a t shirt on the way in and get dressed at the base of the tree. If I were to get dressed at the base of the tree, I'd be removing the Scentlock and all of my scent would be free to alert any deer downwind. Is this just a risk you're willing to take as long as your fully protected while up in the tree? Thanks
Great point. I’d like to hear more
The VOCs emitted by your body would stop being emitted when you dress up in the activated carbon. The remnant molecules would find their place but it's a matter of rate/concentration.
Shouldn't you be using a crossbow because the technology gives you advantages over a compound? Maybe Michigan doesn't allow it during archery season. Not to mention firearms season which you eschew. Whatever. I'm learning from you. Thank you.
How do you keep your release aid wrist strap scent free? Or do you use a metal only hand held release? I use on with a wrist strap as that is what I like, but I simply spray that strap with some sort of scent elimination spray. Based on the videos here I assume that does nothing now. Do you have any suggestions or will that be covered in part 3?
John thanks for all of the Informative scientific evidence of scent lol👍But that Being said I bought my first scent lok suit in 2003 and it got me more ground encounters within 1-5 yards and I cared for my clothes just like you I ran across a video of yours as well as charels alsheimer got me started👍That being said I still own my first suit and still have sucess with it I have purchased a new early season suit but need to get a heavier suit for late season if I’m not successful early🙏With that said when I hunt out of a stand I never get winded deer downwind or not it does work thankyou Sr.🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌p.s.I live in ohio and would love to meet you one day I know you hunt here 👍So you can lead a horse to water but if he doesn’t drink what can you do🦌if they saw it work for themselves they would do it but for most people it’s to much I mean the whole scent free regimin you use 👍
Something I was thinking about recently and wanted to bring up, maybe you have already went over it and I just didn’t see it. I know you’ve referenced using rubber boots. But do you have a certain type that you believe hold up better and have better scent resistant properties? I have been using some big bulky lacrosse rubbers for a few years but I’d like to go down to something better for walking longer distances with. I’m a fan of muck boots I just feel like neoprene has a super weird smell to it.
Friends,
Look at the left side of the screen. Low pressured squirrel 22:50 Mr. Eberhart, thank you for this video and sharing your hunting wisdom
Thanks for all your hard work creating content for us John!
Thanks for the information I really appreciate it.
Good info I Thank you for sharing it . Marty🎯
Do you turn your clothes inside out when running them thru the dryer?
John had a question? So should I still wash my scentlok gear like I do all my other gear to de scent it
Shouldnt ever be washed pretending it’s a 10,000$ tuxedo haha before I found this channel I used to get busted cause I washed my first suit bought another an a few years in now without getting blown at 👌🏻when you see deer tracking you you know your doing it right aha
It's true I have never seen nothing like this in my life scentlok is the real deal
Yes it is, when done properly.
Thanks John! I believe in good science and trust you and your intentions and purpose for educating us!
Thanks and I have no reason to mislead anyone.
Ok, my favorite pack is made of xpac and my wife borrowed it and instead of putting it back in its tub in the garage, she put it in the damn guest bedroom where she burns potpourri! How the hell do I de stink the damn thing?? It's a 600$ kifaru pack so I obviously don't want to get rid of it, can't afford to either
I wish I would have had a camera to catch it on I've never seen that like it in my life all my years a hunting man she came in down when she was a matriarch wind blowing straight her face more hard wind than her face why I put nose jammer on my boots to cover my scent so when she hit that it kind of threw her off a little bit She turned around and walked the hill away just a little bit having 5 steps and then everything calmed out in her mind she turned round to come right back last week I've had 4 different occasions now and the last 2 years that deer was directly down when blowing straight in their face and they did not bust
I still need work and am looking forward to the rest of your videos! I guess the only reason I'd still pay attention to wind (not based on being busted) but because it let's me know where to hunt. What side of the thicket or what trail he might use coming off his bed, but I do no longer pay attention based on being busted as much. Like I said I still need a little more work! You clearly know what your doing! And thank you for trying to help us hunters with the truth! I did shoot my first good mature deer at 5 years old here in MI! I think I could've did it sooner though if he didn't get me do to my own faults in the stand!
I also hunt mi all my life over 50 years have used scent love since it's begging with the brown under garment, no one is cleaner than iam,did number of test with scent love made many of my own mask found the majority of scent coming from the mouth,I would like to see a video of you on ground with a mi deer downwind you like to hunt 30 feet in tree unfortunately I only feel comfortable at 20, I still use scentloc but don't believe it works 100 percent
Hey John,
I know you don’t recommend washing your sentlock suit after hunts, but how about when you first receive a new suit from the factory?
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Thx for the video John. I believe this science is indeed effective in hunting clothes. I bought my first scentlok suit 20 years ago. It came in sealed plastic bags. A jacket pants gloves and a hood with a mask and drawstring. It also came with a rubber bag to store it in. The directions said to take the clothes out of the sealed plastic and put them in the dryer at the highest heat setting for about an hr. Then store them in the rubber bag. I was to run them thru the dryer every 40 hours of use. I really liked that suit. It was a Savannah. Since, I have bought 3 more suits off the shelf at cabelas. Savannah pants n jacket. Savannah coveralls and a scentlok rain suit. Those didn’t work nearly as well as the first one. After some thought and study I came to the conclusion that if those suits have been sitting on a shelf in open air for 1 year, they should’ve been put through 220 dryer cycles during that time, as one is required for every 40 hrs of the suit being exposed to open air. That’s like 25 years of hunting hours for the average guy. I can’t prove it but those suits had to be saturated with scent if the science works like it should, no? I just know I will probably never again buy another suit off the shelf anywhere. I really wish they would sell them in those sealed packages again. Is it possible to buy them where they’re put in sealed plastic as soon as they come off the production line? If so I will definitely use them again.
Dan, I appreciate your reply and suits from SLok do come in a plastic bag but that doesn't mean much other than it looks the part. From the moment the activated carbon is made (through the 1450 degree under pressure process), it is exposed to whatever molecules are in the environment and it is exposed through the bonding to fabric process which I'm certain requires handling by humans, through the sewing processes (there are several several of these in the making of a garment) which I'm certain gets handled by humans, then it sits in a store room somewhere where it can soak up molecules and then through the through the folding process and bagging process where I would also assume it gets handles. I do agree that a new suit that was hanging in a store could use more time in the dryer on the initial de-adsorb, but not to that extent.
@@johneberhart4062 I assume they’re only in sealed plastic when bought directly from scentlok? At cabelas they’re all either hanging from a coat hanger or on a shelf unwrapped.
@@danweaver5787 The bags that clothing comes in from ScentLok are not airtight and even if they were, the garments were handled a lot and exposed to the stinky atmosphere they were made in before they were packaged.
John love the videos. I’m going to try saddle hunting for the first time this year. And I am using your ESS saddle. Thanks!
John I really appreciate all the time you took to make this video series. I would like to know what totes or storage you recommend for hunting clothing. I just took advantage of the 25% off from Scentlok a few months ago and loaded up on four different suites from early to late season. I bought their 8k ozone bag but this guy's question got me thinking that this will be attracting odors year around without being in an airtight environment. I am not a fan of the nano ozone that came with it (I do use it in the bathroom which works great but It has an odor in and of itself that I think deer will become wise to) All that said what storage methods and brands do you recommend?
public land is all I hunt. I do keep my clothes in an air tight tub to keep odder off. But I do not care about wind an do not use sentlock. An I do not get winded.
I try to wipe everything I can from Sentlock any chance I get
Great info! You emailed me back about a year ago with all of your info. I appreciate that, and you truly care about helping people kill more deer. 👍🏻
Man is so good to see you so slick and so sharp that you're aint still and I'm not saying you're old or nothing like that to be disrespectful sir sir I'm saying it's awesome and it's real blessing to see you do what you do
Thank you Bill and I take that as a compliment.
Yesterday I was out hanging cell cams. Went to hang a cam and put my pack down. 8 hours later a doe walks by and sniffs the exact location I laid my pack. First time I've ever watched that. It was very interesting.
They can smell lingering human odor for quite some time. Prior to using SLok, I used to have deer smell where I brushed against vegetation on my entries and leave.
@@johneberhart4062 Yeah I have never doubted deer can smell an intrusion. It was very interesting to see first hand though. To pin point my pack like that. Luckily it wasn't a huge buck. Better be more cautious next time.
I suspect that some hunters might NOT want to use scent control because of the challenge presented. I am sure that there are people that look at eliminating the need to mind the wind the same as having sole access to 800 acres worth of groomed/uneducated mature bucks. Being someone who cannot hunt more than a few days a year, I WANT those advantages, but mostly I want the knowledge that those advantages exist and how to correctly apply those advantages. Regardless, keep doing what you are doing! I am going to do my first saddle hunts this year with an ESS. I watch all of your vids. They are invaluable to a "casual' hunter like me. It is immediately obvious that what you do applies directly to me because I am NOT hunting in a zoo. I hunt pressured, wild-ass, public land deer. - thank you for sharing what you do! - Cheers!
Yes. People are into traditional archery and atlatls. This guy uses a compound bow....why not a crossbow which is a superior technology in every way. Why avoid firearms season? It's a tool. Choose to use it. I will learn from this guy and probably will get some scent gear someday because I'm not that good of a hunter yet.
Also, this guy scoffs at hunters in the midwest harvesting MONSTER bucks because theyre doing it on managed land with no pressure. Why choose public hunting and all the scouting a preparation required when thay same energy could be put into procuring and managing a private property (with a group etc.)
Great info on this one! Looking forward to part 3. I am pretty sure I know the answer to this but I have to ask and I’d like your opinion. I have been very successful over the years hunting from the ground, due to not wanting to lug a big climber in the woods. The past two seasons I’ve hunted out of a saddle, and my success has gone up even more. I am a hugeeee fan of a leafy suit to break up my outline. I put in a lot of time and effort on scent control anyways but buying into scent lock even more watching your videos. So my question is. Will the scent lok still be effective if i wear my leafy suit overtop of it, or am I just wasting my time? I treat my clothing (first lite) alot like you do, I’m super strict on myself keeping it scent free as possible. I just really love the warmth of merino and that’s why I wear all first lite gear.
Being from south florida I get cold in anything below 40 hahaha. Thank you for your time making these videos, and maybe spending a minute to answer back. Thanks, John!
Yes and in the next video, treat your leafy wear just as I do my Rivers West raingear which is discussed in the video. I wear merino wool a lot, I just use Icebreaker instead of FirstLite. Merino wool by itself has some odor adsorptive capacity. You can wear a clean merino wool base garment as your shirt for casual wear and it would take several days of wear before you could smell yourself. I explain merino wool in part 3 and why it is the best undergarment material made.
@@johneberhart4062 Great!. Thank you, sir. That’s why I bought first lite. After watching Clay Hayes over the past couple years and seeing how well his first lite clothing performed during his time on Alone I was sold. One thing I always look for is people doing reviews on products they aren’t getting paid to endorse. I know he uses merino because it works well, and same with you and Scent Lok products. Now I’m going to mix the two and have the best of both. I appreciate your time.
Looking forward to part 3!
You're research is extensive and impossible to refute. I think that personal budgets and money plays a big roll in the ideals of deer hunting these days. All "scentless" clothing is expensive and not something that everyone can afford, which is why wind direction is always a very viable option. Thank you for your time and knowledge. Do you ever use something in your mouth to cover your breath?
It really isn't that expensive compared to alot of the other stuff out, if u get it at the right time of the year when it's on sale. I got my savanna coverall suit full suit with hood and mask that pulls up,for 50 percent off. It was $200 I believe and I got it on sale for $99.99. that's not to bad, and they have sales like that alot for all different types of suites and gear.u just got to keep and eye on there website
I have to agree with Ryan on this because you can purchase a complete Savanna coverall for less than $200 and a headcover with drop down and gloves is another $60. I looked at a Sitka lightweight rain jacket the other day ion a store and it was $300 and in my opinion should have cost under $100 the way it was made. It was extremely overpriced with ZERO technology. I know Sitka is not a good example because it is extremely overpriced. You are correct that a hunter can go buy a World famous camo suit for about $80, but you get some real junk for that.
I just looked at there website and the have the full season jacket and pants on sale for only around $80, combined total. U cant beat that!! Then another $60 or so for the rest of the suit and there u go. U probably get that stuff on sale too if u keep an eye out. I don't think u can beat scentlok not only for the technology but it's good quality clothing and u can get it at ah great price in my opinion
@@leatherdaddy4955 Just make sure you DON"T buy used ScentLok as you have no clue how it was cared for.
How do you explain the guys CONSTANTLY killing mature bucks with ZERO scent control ? Just luck ?
It's all about where they hunt. As I've mentioned hundreds of times on podcasts, in my books, in articles and on this channel, if you hunt in an area with lots of mature bucks with minimal to zero hunting pressure, you don't have to be a good hunter to kill a mature buck as you will at some point during the season, get an opportunity to take one. The odds are just in your favor no matter how you hunt. The TV shows are a solid testimonial for this FACT. If you went and hunted whitetails in an enclosure where there are a lot of mature bucks and they all move during daylight, you don't pay unless you kill one, so no matter your skill as a hunter, you will kill one.
@@johneberhart4062 I’m not speaking of guys hunting in zoo’s that’s not the real deal. I’m talking guys who hunt high pressured states on public land and use zero scent control but get it done on mature bucks year in and year out.
@@BornAgainOutdoorsman Can you please give me some names of the hunters and of the states they hunt in, and the amount of book bucks they have. I can't make an assessment without details of exactly who you are speaking about.
@@johneberhart4062 I’m not name dropping anyone and I’m not trying to be obtuse I’m just simply asking your opinion. There are plenty of them out there and we know who they are. Some states are Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. I don’t define their success on “book” bucks but a mature buck for their area. Thanks
@@BornAgainOutdoorsmanNot that you should care, but I'm good with your comments and if there are some hunters in Pa, Ma., NY., W.Va., Va., and a few other states in the northeast that hunt public and free permission lands, and some southern states, I would consider them to be very fortunate to take a lot of mature bucks while paying attention to wind direction. I struggle to comprehend any bow hunter that truly hunts heavily pressured properties where just about all other hunters are targeting any legal antlered buck, taking a lot of book bucks (3 1/2 years old or older), without having an excellent scent control regimen. Sorry.
thanks for your time putting these out.
The next on will be the coupe de gras.
I used it an believe in it
Me too, listening to John nearly 30 year( probably around 26 years to be exact) experience with it and going off my own experience with it which is admittedly only one year, but I can honestly say I didn't pay any attention to the wind and I had deer all around me and I was never busted ( missed ah 100 inch 2-1/2 year old tho,clean miss inch over his back I think my anchor point was off). That never used to happen. I'd hear deer blow from far away and I'd never even see them( not all the time I'd still see deer but it would happen alot)I'd just hear the blowing from far away and never even see them. One time when I was ah teenager,(no scent lok) i rattled in probably ah 3-1/2 year old ( North east highly pressured state) and he came trotting in, I could see him from ah long distance away coming down over the hill and when he got about 45 yards away it was like he hit ah wall. He stopped and whent to circle around me,and just turned around and walked back the direction he came. And I've had other situations like that but that just one of the more memorable experience I have had. So if I use to get busted with out the scent lok and then I use it for ah year and I never get busted the whole year not paying attention to the wind, I have to go off my own experience and assume it works. plus if u watch any of John's videos it seems like he he doesn't play around with equipment that doesn't perform as intended, so I highly doubt he would use ( nearly 30 years) and promote it as passionately as he does if he hasn't seen prove of it's effectiveness and if it didn't perform as intended he wouldn't use it, as simple as that.. this guy will tell u the best handsaw to get, what's the best steps to use, boots,saddle etc..He doesn't play around with equipment that doesn't do what it's suppose to or perform like it's suppose to.
Thanks Darrell and don't let any bloviators detract you from making your point. They want to stifle the technology because many are from a talk forum that doesn't allow scent control to even be discussed. Many of them are very close minded and want to stifle things they don't or more than likely, can't do because they are either too lazy or they are not detail oriented enough to do the process. I have had friends get kicked off that sight for being pro scent control. I've never been on it.
@@leatherdaddy4955 You are correct Ryan, if an equipment doesn't work for me, it's given away or sold at a garage sale. No use for inferior products.
How about old school part 2 old deer story's