This ECM Injector Circuit failure can TOTAL many NG Saab 9-3 2.0T from 2003-2011
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2021
- In today's episode, I review how to remove the ECM for a 2.0l engine on a saab 9-3 convertible. This application is good for all model years from 2003-2011 that have the 2.0T engine in their car. A bad ecm can cause the car to loose power and have a check engine light go off. Many shops can charge a lot of money to repair this, which cause many saab owners to give up on their 9-3's! I am hear to stress that this is an easy $200 and 20 minutes of work. The codes that are pertaining to this issue are P0201 P0202 P0203 & P0204 all listed as an injector circuit on the scanner. I hope you find this helpful! Please like, share, and subscribe!
Saab ECM Part Number: ECU ECM PCM CONTROL MODULE 55353231 and/or 55353231
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For information! The component that breaks is a TPIC46L02DB, 6 channel gate driver. When changing, no reprogramming is necessary. Unfortunately, it takes quite a lot of heat for the old one to come off and a hot air soldering station will be needed to do the job! Have done it on an ECM with successful results! The component costs around $2.50 USD.
You in USA? interested In repairing mine?
Me too please
Nah, low temp solder makes it so easy!!
No heat gun
Thanks Kyle! As the owner of a 2008 2.0T six MT convertible (120k km / 70k miles) I’m keenly watching the restoration of your car. My car is in lovely condition and I’m keeping it this way. It’s only ever been a summer car.
You can actually send the ECM to Nick‘s TV repair in Tucson, Arizona. They replaced the one chip that creates the problem from overheating. I sent my door lock circuit boards there, they re-soldered it and checked for continuity, which helped.
A lovely gift from GM. Older gens of Saabs almost never had ECU issue. These new ones have much daintier circuitry according to the shops that told me that no one can repair, and they just replace them. If your serial is still the same when the "repaired" one returns, that would be cool! If it really is repaired, let us know who, since all the places I called except the one in FL, admitted they could not repair them. The one in FL had their own issues according to all the negative reviews. Best of luck! Hope it goes well.
Important for B207 as XWD versions: they need a special ECU which is even more rare. In Germany I didn’t find anybody who wanted to repair mine (all say it’s not fixable), so I had to hunt a used XWD unit worldwide. The one I finally found and purchased is currently at Orio/Saab in Sweden because my Saab workshop wasn’t able to adapt it to my ‘10 9-3X. My car is out of order since November now 😫
Directly ordered the spacer kit now. So important advice for all XWD owners: be even more cautious due to extreme limited availability!
I own a 9-3 XWD Aero MY09 and I bought the kit to protect de ECU from saab savage in Australia. I really hope it will work. Kai Kriss do you know the specific part number for our ECU?
@@dean7571 Yes the Saab number is 55567225, only these are suitable for XWD. Non XWD ECUs will cause problems with the fuel gauge
@@kaiger099 thanks you very much ! I just found one!! They ask 550€... It's the right price?
Have you looked into cloning the ecu …if the board is the same the software can be transferred to a good ecu even if it’s not for that car
Kyle you never gave us the website to send the ECM to. I'm experiencing that problem now!
If anyone finds it let me know
I have a 1.9tdi 16v Saab 9-3, second 9-3. Great cars
I read your description but didn't see the company to send it to for repairs. Am I overlooking it? Does anyone else see the info or link?
Man you are a life saver. Thank you
Excellent video thanks!
Hey Kyle - got any new videos coming of this 9.3 convertible? Looking foward to seeing what else you do with it. I've got an '05 9.3 Arc convertible, love your channel and all of your tips and information for all things Saab.
Hi Kyle, I live in France and saw your video about this ecm problem. I have 2 Saab 9-3, a convertible 2.0 T (185hp) from 1998 without any problem and a 2.0 T (210hp) from end 2006 with power failure problems. I am turning around since a few monthes to fix this problem without succes. I will now follow your advice and send the calculator to Germany to be repaired. I will let you know in a couple of weeks. Thanks again for your performance ! Jean-Pierre - France
What site to send saab ecu to
Kyle, for the love of God, please clean those leaves out of the cowl !!
Where exactly did you send it? I used module experts, they charged me $500 and I still have the same problem
No more issues thanks bro
I made my own spacer out of tuffnol, extended screws,spacer,
Then tuffnol,then spacer,then ecu.
The two spaces allow insulation from heat and airflow.
Secondly either cut a square in your plastic engine cover, directly above ecu, or, leave the plastic cover off.
The combination of the two lowers the temp of the ecu casing by as much as twenty degrees.
The ecu earth strap is the one not to forget when refitting.
Mine runs sweet.
You can prevent ECM failure with a special kit. It is a plate with some spacers ( made out of rubber). This will raise the ECM with 10-15mm and the plate works like a heatshield. Watch the episode from Auto Autopsy, he explain it what and how to do it. Or you can make it yourself like me😃.
Greetings from the Netherlands 👍🏻
Hi Youri, fellow Dutch Saab-owner here. Do you happen to have some information about how you diy-ed it? Did you just raise it or also put a spacer in between? Really curious, as I'd like to do the mod myself :)
great info to learn!
@@royahuis7458i placed it on Facebook, saab-forum.
facebook.com/groups/saabforum/permalink/3920977434614305/
Hi Youri and Roy, also fellow Dutch Saab-owners. On the forum, the tuner called DionHPT (everyone knows him, haha) recently said something about the spacers to prevent the ECM from cooking!
@@unknownvinnumber that's why mine old ECM had a failure. Ik fixt this with a good ECM and spacers. You can click on my link to see what i've done.
AMAZINGNES!!!
There is a kit to prevent the ECM from overheating. You can easily search it up!
This will add rubber spacers between the engine and ECM and a heat shield! :D
I have this kit for my 9-3. The kit you're talking about also helps a lot with engine vibration!
Where can I find one of the kits? I've looked and cannot locate.
@@hughjanus7376 where are you located? Many do self made solutions or ask your Saab dealer/garage
@@unknownvinnumber Texas
SAAB Wreckers Sydney NSW Australia
Thank you!!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
You never said where you sent it out to be rebuilt thanks for the information
I've gotten a spare ECM for 3 of the 4 9-3's in the fleet. Originals are still good but this is definitely one of those things that creep up out of nowhere and can leave a daily down. Definitely worth it if your a Ng 2.0 Saab guy.
I still have not found where to send my ECM unit to get repaired for $200.
Thanks Kyle!! I need to figure out my 95 no start issue. Ugh
What's going on with it? Currently have my 9-5 at the shop for a weird no start issue too.
I’m not seeing the info for the ECM repair shop.
Kyle Pancis - What company did you send it to to get rebuilt?
I work at a GM/SAAB workshop in Sweden. It has been a quality problem with components in the replacement ecu units.
have you given an update to how your experience was with the rebuild of the PCM?
I want that shirt-coat... what is it??? That's a nice jacket - can't believe you're working on the car in it!
I know it's been a long time since you posted this video but do you still have the old ECU I may be interested in it
Replaced my screws on cover and air filter with allen screws - available on Amazon
It was a nice day yesterday - before the snow again today. So it looks like you're keeping this 9-3?
Hey Kyle, getting the same issue with fuel pouring out, but just wondering after i replace the ECM if the overrunning of fuel caused any other parts on your 9-3 to go bad? I'm getting thrown a turbo code that i haven't found consistent with ECM issues on Saab forums
I have an 06 9-3 2.0T. The other night I was taking a sharp corner and it died out on me. I waited forever and finally someone came and gave me a jump. He followed me with repeatedly having to jump the car until it finally wouldn’t start again so I have it home now and it’s cranking but no start. Any suggestions. The car has 243,000 plus on it and it was leaking out throwing codes about coils constantly but I don’t care. I love my car. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance
I believe Nick’s is cheaper. You should also install the spacers from SAAB to lift the ECU off of the manifold to keep it cooler. Good luck.
Did that. Second repaired ecu. Car runs awesome for about 4 days. Then cometh the new codes. Barely runs now flashing check engine light. Always wait 20 cycles before declaring victory on any electronic repair.
Send it back to the company that fixed it
Where did you send your ECU to for rebuild?
Can you replace the ECM with one from another car or do you have to program it?
"Shops charge a lot of money, they'll scare you into totaling out your car and make a lot of money on you, but that's okay...!" No Kyle, it is not okay to lie and overcharge to "make a lot of money on you!"
their entitled to making money! just be cognizant of issues.
Where did you send your ECU , so it can get repaired??
Kyle everyone should make money by being truthful. Enjoy your vids
I have the same problem can you tell me what company you found online and did it work out fine for you please.
I think there is Taiwan Saab shop made a kit to relocate the ecm behind the Fan.
What company did you use to refurbish your ecu?
Hello, do you live in the United States? If so, I would like to know what is the company where you sent the computer to fix
The exhaust manifold is on back of engine next to firewall, hows it heating pcm
Hey where do you send your ECU for repair?
What was the website to send them to fix it the ecm?
Very disappointing. The title held out so much promise that we were going to learn something new about the ECM failure. We ended up learning nothing.
BTW, those screws are T30 not T27, hence why you stripped them.
If Module Experts succeed where many have failed, please question them to death on how they did it. And ask them why they are keeping their light under a bushel. They could make a 'mint' repairing these from all over the world.
I don’t see the link to the company where you sent the info to fix to. I just sent mine to UK from CA, US. Place called ECUTESTING. is that where you sent it?
Great video,I bought a 93 from a guy he said he went in the store and came out and the car wouldn’t start,anyway I bought it as is when I put the scanner on it,it said all 4 injectors was open,any help would be greatly appreciated,thanks a head of time
Just replaced my ECU couple months ago. I cheap out on the Tech 2, and just buy the cable to reprogram from ECU program. End up the eBay ECU did not work, then replacement ECU came in. Then CIM failed. I end up got the MDI. Yes, I did not spend $1K, but the car has sit in my driveway more than 2 months.
I have a 2003 5 speed manual the ecm is going bad. I have a 2007 automatic rusted out part car. Can the 2007 automatic be reprogrammed for the 2003 manual
Another thing you an do before reinstalling the rebuilt ECM is to source a Spacer Kit I've seen online which slightly raises the ECM off the block allowing cooler air to circulate between the block and the ECM. This will extend the life of the rebuilt ECM. I'd also consider slightly modifying the plastic cover to allow outside air to circulate under it, as frankly the whole plastic cover acts like a huge blanket trapping the heat of the engine. It really is a ridiculous piece of design.
I have shipped my failing ECU out for cloning onto a rebuilt unit. When I removed the unit I did not disconnect battery. Will I need to disconnect battery before I install the replacement?
What’s the website to send it off to?
They make a relocation kit for these to move the ecu away from all the heat next to the rite Side radiator fan. No wires needed because stock ones will reach and you will never burn out your ecu.
Got a link for that??
Where did you send ecu to get fixed?
Hi i have a saab 93 2006 vector, i took the battery out to charge for about a week when i put it back in the key will turn everything works but nothing when i go to start car but worked perfectly before i took battery out i took the starter relay out and put 2 wires in the holes motor turned over but wouldn't start i tried again with key but nothing just silent when i go to start any help appreciated.
People should look up the 7-piece dress-up kit , stainless pan head 30 Torx bolts for coil cover, and front plastic cover. their 5 bucks and for 5 bucks more you can have them machined and buy the aluminum "Griffen" oil cap For all Ecotec 4cyl B207 2003-11 (short), 6cyl (tall)
What is the name of the company that you send the ecm to get rebuilt
hi i got a new refurbished ecu he couldnt get the data off my old one
so i had to take the car to them , picked car up got half way home the
engine light come back on so drove it home as it drove normal tried it
again it had loss of power i checked it with my cheap scan tool it
comes up knock sensor 1 circuit bank 1 or single , i rang the place
where i got ecu from he told me to send it back which i did i fitted it
yesterday 20 min engine light came back on checked with my code reader
it says the same thing knock sensor 1 circuit bank 1 or single. ant
suggestions where to look thank you
Can get a spacer kit that lifts ECU and allows air flow
Why did he drill the tops of the screws? All you have to is use a cutoff wheel to cut a slot in the screws and then use an impact driver to remove them. I've NEVER not been able to get those torx screws out. Hope this comment helps
Small correction Kyle, The ECU sits on the intake manifold, the exhaust is on the other side of the engine. I`d like to see a failed unit sometime, I`m curious about what actually fails inside them.
I aint No Bill gates but it cause degradation of the circuit board. due to heat like metal gets hot it expands and the heat shortens the life of the board quicker..
@@mcdonaldg2908 Yes, you are quite right about heat shortening the life of electronics - that's actually how they are rated. when a manufacturer states "20,000 hours life expectancy", they haven't actually tested them for 20,000 hours. they run them at very high temperatures until they fail, then run it through a formula to calculate the life at "normal" temperatures. My main point though was that Kyle said "it sits really close to the exhaust", he's probably thinking of the B2*5 engines in the 9-5 that have the exhaust on the front of the engine. As I said, I`m very curious to know what is actually failing in the ECU's. They are getting quite old now (upto 17 years) and I`m not sure it's necessarily the heat that's killing them. I might do a test sometime to measure the heat since, when running, the ECU will be cooled by the air in the intake manifold. Tuned cars may fair worse than stock cars since, the turbo is probably spooling up more and the intercooler can't get rid of ALL the extra heat. There could also be an issue of heat soak after the engine is turned off.
Me too, @Saab Fever. I've had a failed ECU shipped from Aus so I can have a look at it (these fails are rare in UK). Yet to open it up though. If you've any good ideas what to look for, email me.
@mcdonald C so it's heat! Well, you don't say! If you have any actual information about how it fails, please share. There's a lot us trying to find a solution before there are no more secondhand ones left!
@@CycloneCyd The most obvious thing would be dry solder joints. Have a look (under a microscope) at various pins inside the ECU. they are a bit of a pain to open though! If there's nothing obvious, then you might be looking for a failing capacitor. As I said, given the age of the units, I think it's unfair to declare the cause to be heat though. All of the capacitors inside the ECU are up to 17 years old now. check some of the Retro computer forums etc, people are having to replace capacitors in 25 year old computers and they aren't subjected to engine heat! Sure, they are a bit older than our ECU's but not by much!
What Company did Kyle send the ECU out to have re-built for 200 Bucks?
Did he ever reply? I'd like to know myself.
Make sure you Read the Description
But this is the link this guy knows what hes doing Ive usef him personally
@@NoahBPlays What is the link?
What's the link guys?
I have 2004 convertable 2.0 litre turbo with the injector problem I sure could use the web site for the company with the 200. dollar fix if I send it to them thanks,Jay
I've spent over $4800, over three years because of my ECM....😟
You guys can find ecu repair or cloning services on eBay btw.
Some cloning services can also sell you an ecu if you can't find one.
You just send them your ecu.
I'm in the process of either sending it off to get repaired or cloned.
Not sure yet. Hope that helps.
I have a 2007 Saab 9-3 convertible 2.0t. The car shut off while I was driving. No fueling going to injectors. What could the problem?
Why would you keep the cover on it holds heat DA took mine off years ago
I never saw the company you sent the ECU to. I have a 2.8 liter Turbo. Can you send me the information to the company you sent your ECU to. Hoping for a Quick Reply.
Hey Kyle I am having the same issue with my 2006 Saab 9-3 2.0 Turbo manual. Can you help me with what company I need to sent it to the ecm is going out om mine
How to tell if it’s going out
When you say reprogram is that the SPS reprograming? I had a code in which i checked with ORIO and they confirmed that the sps reprograming. "Update " has to be perform.
RUclips be like that background sounds is music .. When its just nature at it finest...you can see the 9-5 chillin in its habitat. Nice video...
haha! thank you. Thats marrying a new unit to the car.
@@KylePancis What was the name of the company you sent to ECM to be repaired
what the guy did NOT say is that there is a kit you can buy that allows for a gap between engine and ECM. it's less than $100 and worth the price i imagine if one still has the stock set up and ECM or if you plan on keeping the car for years with the rebuilt one
ECU Spacer Kit
Website?
What an engineering catastrophe waiting to happen, what were they thinking, or were they when the put it so close to the engine block knowing it would overheat and kill it eventually? Could it be an ECU sales gimmick, to make you have to buy one every so often?
I have this vid a thumbs down caus Kyle after numerous requests after 3 years STILL HASN'T supplied the web site to send the ECM too. 👇
not sure where he recommends BUT try Kirschmann and koxha in germany. they live test them in working saabs before sending them out. any of the others in the US are pretty hit or miss and you are just lucky if yours works for an extended time. they now distribute directly in the US compared to ~1yr ago when i did 2 replacements and used their US distributor. now they go direct as of Jan 2024:
"Effective immediately, all customers in the USA will receive a refurbished control unit to our new quality standards for 400 US dollars including express shipping. Thanks to the liberal legislation, no import duties are due (this is only the case from 800 US dollars). The prerequisite for this offer is the provision of a repairable unit. If this is not the case, we charge 500 US dollars including express shipping.
Naturally, both offers include a heat shield plate and a 1-year warranty."
unfortunately i spent 650$ each for mine and a friend's whose went bad about the same time
How do I diagnose this problem before I buy the replacement part? I'm fairly certain I have this problem, but I want to be sure before I spend any $$$
You will get a bunch of fuel codes I don’t know why this guy don’t answer. He thinks he is so important 😅😅
What's the website ?
did this work?
i have P0687 consistently. what should i do for that? i have replaced the battery and main relay already.
I had the same exact code on my 08 9-3 2.0T. I just had the ECU replaced and it solved the issue!
@@cjramilo I got the ecm spacer and that seemed to do the trick
@@icestormgaming9357 Here as well, now with my replacement ECU I'm having the p0201-p0204 and p0245 codes so I might have to replace my ECU again.... (SAAB story)
@@cjramilo rip. Good luck
I'm hoping someone can help. I have the 2006 2.8 V6 Turbo 9-3. My car is running on 5 cylinders at the moment. Running diagnostics it's showing cylinder 3 injection timing 0. All the rest are 2.3. Any suggestions? I've changed plugs, checked injectors, checked coils and they're all fine. I'm confused... getting no CEL either 🤔
how did u check the injector? did u unplug it from the manifold?
..and WHEN are you going to reply to the tens of people that have been asking you WHERE DID YOU SEND YOUR EFFING ECU to be repaired?
I thought they were unfixable. Keep us updated if it (or how long) it works. Anyway still not an option to repair them in most countries I think. We have to wait for Orio to start selling new ones.
They can fix it in the UK and recently also in the Netherlands.
@@Catdad_YN can you give a website or email for this ?
Me too, that way I bought the a kit in order to prevent this problem and keep the ECM as cold as posible.
@@MrOikono i just heard of it, don't know a website. But what i do know is that you can ask DionHPT ( Facebook) . He know the company in the UK and a friend of him fix the ecm too in the Netherlands.
I been looking into this it looks like it’s the 2.8 v6 that’s not repairable I had to replace mine and decided to open my broken one just out of curiosity and after I couldn’t find anyone to repair mine and was amazed by how tiny everything is needed a magnifying glass definitely different to the 2.0 ecu’s
Those guys don't wanna spend $1000- to fix their SAAB because they DON'T know Saab ! To protect the ECM/ECU just install a kind of heat shield under the ECM/ECU that cost around $70- ( heat shield price ) and you can easily install by yourself.
What’s the name of the shop that rebuilds the ECM? Anybody have a phone number or website?? Please and thanks!!
Esaabparts.com
Who did you send it off to to be repaired?
who knows who he sent it to... he seems to want to keep it a secret. look up hirschmann & koxha. they are a german comany that repairs ECMs. they used to sell thru a distributor in the US... as of 01/24 they sell direct. $400 if you send in a repairable unit for exchange. $500 without. comes with a 1yr warranty and the heat shield and spacer kit
Hey Kyle, have you ever tried to open the ECU and attempt a repair? Louis Rossmann does similar repairs on Laptops
I have not! Should I try?
@@KylePancis Do you stillhave the failed ECM? If yes -why not, it would be a really interesting video, maybe you can diagnose the problem and resolder a weak link (maybe it’s the same kind of problem like on the 9-5 headlight relay).
@@KylePancis ruclips.net/video/zf1Pb-5jqLo/видео.html , I found a similiar GM ECU repair
@@KylePancis I have found this video, I may be useful someday
ruclips.net/video/FY9-iFdNgog/видео.html&ab_channel=cargoudel
Nice collection of dead leaves on the cowl panel.......🙂
I have a P0300 code that nobody seems to be able to find what's causing it...
The reason is a hole in the intake tract. Check the output of the smoke generator
It's a pity that they put the ECM there... Because the engine itself it's bulletproof.
Totally agree
Well except for the ones with defective valves which self destruct before 100,000 miles (I think MY2007+)
I sent mine out for repair about a month ago to a different company. They were unable to repair because it was it was completely unrepairable. They sent me a replacement ECU and it will have to be reprogrammed using a Tech 2 with a Saab card my mechanic ordered from eBay.
How much did you spend on the new unit?
I need the libk fir the $200 repair
I thought you will show how to repair it, instead of that you just said, that broken part needs to be replaced.
Where can I send the ECM ?
Sage will send you a working unit but that's only place I've found
@@S44BBOIhow can I contact sage for this?
Bruh using tf outta tht screwdriver 😅
I have saab 9-3 2.0t 2008 send me rebuild a ecu web site plz thank you
Please
ecu die from voltage spikes
I thought they were unfixable..