eoin colfer had been trying to get it made into a movie for 20 years, and it's so disappointing to see what they did with my favorite book series from when i was a kid. maybe after 20 years he was so worn down from trying to get a movie made that he let them trample all over his story (says he's happy they made the changes they did, but come on, entire character arcs make no sense now). disney hyperion published several of the books in the series, so maybe if it had been published by someone else he would've been able to get a movie made by someone else. i feel like even then, it still would have been a bad adaptation, just nowhere near as atrocious as the disney one.
I just read the first book and holy shit, what the hell happened to the plot in the movie. Like why couldn't they just adapt the solid good plot from the book. No, let's not make artemis a criminal. That was such a stupid move
Yeah, those emails from Riordan to the studio were an amazing read one night. He just bashes the script in every way possible. And there was more he didn't post where he nitpicked, like, every line of dialogue. They reeeeally shot themselves in the foot by not including the author in the pre-production process.
@brandonhicks9926 yeah, and then there's all those scenes in the show where they just knew what the situation was. There was no build up or letting the characyers slowly figure it out. They just knew. At least these movies have moments that felt right out of the book, like the Casino scene in Lightning Thief. The show seemed to think it was clever to not even bother with setting the stage, and they just somehow knew everything. Very infuriating.
A big issue for me is that by now, Harry Potter had been released, where the kids started off at 11 and grew throughout the franchise. The PJ films were in such a rush and desperation to get the YA market that they pretty much used the source material as a frame.
I have this little theory that Chris Columbus took Macaulay Culkin's family troubles/downward spiral into depression and substance abuse a little too personally and got burned out of directing kids. There's one particularly telling interview during the Chamber of Secrets press tour where he is very somber about the weight of the responsibility of directing/tutoring child stars, trying to maintain a good relationship with their parents and making sure success doesn't go up their heads. So I guess when he took helm of Percy Jackson he decided to avoid this kind of situation entirely.
I watched Sea of Monsters on cable tv one day and, at the time, it completely killed off any curiosity I had about the books. That's by far the biggest crime these book based failed franchises commit, killing off interest in the actually well written source material.
Riordan has confirmed in the past that the studio didn't care about the source material, believing the audience of the book doesn't matter due to the small percentage of moviegoers they make up, and that they won't care about differences from the book so long as the movie is good. And this was circa 2010; nowadays, studios seem to find it outright offensive that fans don't like major deviations from the source material. I have to ask, why do studios bother buying the rights to books when they think so lowly of the fans?
Probably easier to convince a studio to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a movie if the story has precedence of selling, makes the ones investing in the movie happy.
Money. Studios usually prefer to BUY the rights, not merely license them. Thus, even if they don't own the original books, they have the sole authority to make any adaptation. In the short-term they can pump out a product with minimal oversight and make a quick buck. Long-term, once the pesky author is dead they can make whatever they want and become the only association with the name. Also, because buying the rights to a possible Next Big Thing prevents their rivals from doing anything with them.
Oh my god I remember all these fondly because I was like, 8 when I saw them. I remember the Poker Face scene down to a T from Lightning Thief, and also having a huge crush on Alexandra Daddario (didn't we all though). Highway to Hell as well... that was a stacked soundtrack and a cute girl, all 8 year old me needed. Eragon was fun too, the bug people were disgusting, the big battle seemed Epic to a little kid, and dragons! I think while these were all not "good" movies by source material standards, they're "fun" if not taken seriously. Hence why we recall them better from our childhoods
@@Swullmark Alexandra Daddario can do whatever she wants and I am onboard, even today. But I always thought it was a little odd casting and acting/direction for Annabeth. Especially in the first movie, where it felt like they merged her character with Clarisse.
having Kronos not be established in the first movie and then all of a sudden be mentioned in the second movie as well as showing up way too early is a mistake and this feels like having Sauron not be mentioned in Fellowship of the Ring then right of the blue shows up in the Two Towers and appears in person to fight the Fellowship
Or even Thanos in the Infinity Saga where he doesn't show up in the post end credits for the first Avengers movie then have him show up too early in Age of Ultron or Guardians of the Galaxy with maybe the latter having him as a boss for the Guardians to fight
I remember when my friend and I saw the first movie in theaters for my birthday. Being fans of the books, we had such high hopes for the movie. Needless to say, we were both very disappointed. We didn’t even bother with the second movie.
I think people involved in making movies can request that their names be left off of the credits, so the screenwriters *might* have seen that this was going to be a train wreck and asked to be taken off of it 😬
The show is significantly better than the movies and sticks way closer to the source material.however, it still has its own problems, such as a lack of emotion in majority of the scenes and an over reliance on exposition. However, unlike the movies, the put themselves in a position where they would be able to work out the kinks and get more creative in future seasons.
Another great critique on the why something didn’t work/take off. Three animated titles for consideration for future videos: Beowolf, Final Fantasy: The Spirit Within, and The Adventures of Tin Tin. Three different animation styles, established directors, all failed to capture audiences as intended.
That Beowulf one was a trip! My english teacher showed it to us after reading the text and it's such a weird movie you would not expect sequel bait lmao.
Tin Tin was an excellent movie, though. As far as I know, everyone who watched it liked it. Final Fantasy was a bit of a nonsensical mess. Don't know what's up with Beowulf, though. It's an established story with an ending. Why would anyone want to see a sequel?
@@Dreadjaws if everyone likes Tintin, if the movie made enough money, then where is the sequel? I think there’s more to talk about with these movies that I mentioned. With Beowulf, the whole motion, capture animation thing that Zemekis was going for with PolarExpress in that movie seemed to die right here with Beowulf. And you have to talk about it as a franchise, you can just talk about how motion capture animation at that time failed to resonate with audiences, why didn’t work, etc. That would be a great video inandof itself.
I saw this movie in theaters, and only because a friend asked me to go see it with her. I’ve never read any of the books, didn’t see the first movie. We had arrived that evening in Anaheim to visit Disneyland the following day and throughout the week. Since we didn’t have plans for the rest of the day, she asked if I’d see it with her at the AMC in Downtown Disney. I had absolutely no idea what was going on this movie. By the time the credits rolled, I overheard that this movie crammed ideas from at least two (or more) books, which probably explained in part its messiness. The only part I remember was funny, was when Percy started singing “It’s a Small World”, and really only because of where I was watching the movie.
I remember hating the adaptation so much when I was 12 that I wrote a five page essay on why the movie sucked as an adaptation for a homework assignement
The entire 8th grade went to watch the first one in theaters when it came out. As a little movie fan back then, I felt the movie was just ok. I remember the girls being excited to watch it bc of Logan so there's that.
To be fair to the movies, Kronos and the Titans barely feature in the first two books either, it's only the prophecy that tells you that he is the looming threat, and nothing more than that, so I don't think the first movie made a mistake there. It's only really the third book where that comes to the forefront. His full on appearance in the second is a different story.
The Disney plus series is much better, and if the show runners correct their mistakes from season 1, it could turn out to be an ideal adaptation. As it is so far though, the dialogue is super exposition heavy to the point of being really distracting and ruining any excitement or pace that the books have. I’ll give season 2 a shot but I can’t say I’ll finish it if the same problems exist with it as season 1
I remember my elementary school showed the first movie in our Auditorium, and my friends were so hype because we were all ready the books it good but I wasn’t happy with the changes in the story
You should consider doing a video on mortal engines. It’s interesting because they wanted it to be the next LOTR and got Peter Jackson involved. But the film completely went against the books.
I am glad this franchise got a second chance as a series, however I will just stick to the books. I just cannot like the casting of one of my favourite characters; AnnaBeth. The actor really does not match the book discription for me at all. I always liked the idea of the ,stereotypically portrayed as slightly dumb, blonde california surfer girl actually being the super smart one 🤷♀️ Now she is just another ordinary girl who is very smart instead of someone that we expect to be slightly dumb based on her looks that subverts that expectation by actually being super smart 🤷♀️
As a fan of the tv show, i can say that the first season is not perfect and has some flaws, but it doesn't feel disrespectful and you can feel that it was made with love and respect for the source material. It's very promising and i feel it will only get better as the seasons go. As a start, it was very solid, unlike the first movie which was flawed beyond any fixing
I read the books and loved them. I enjoyed the first movie, even with the issues with their adaptation choices. When I saw this movie, I was so disappointed. Another case of "In name Only".
*sighs* honestly i didnt much care of the movies they were just so bad and i can remember my friends in school being die hard fans and after a weekend of seeing the movies they just said to me "dont bother, not worth the 2 hours" years later least Disney got on the right track
The movies were pretty bad in my opinion. The writers who wrote those films showed great disrespect to Mr. Riordan’s source material, thus making the writers themselves downright selfish and mean spirited towards the author of such a masterpiece.
I saw both films in theater with my grandpa and thought they were good films before my quality tastes kicked in I was always disappointed they never continued making more of these but I never read the books until COVID and realized just how much they were lacking in Riordan's fun and silly writing style. The show is muuuuuuuch better but I can never really turn on these two movies since they introduced me to Percy Jackson in the first place.
I'm so sad that they never got to adapt The Battle of the Labyrinth. They had such good source material, how do you mess up this bad? I mean a sentient labyrinth that has chambers from all eras of history with monsters lurking everywhere and you can pop up basically anywhere in the Americas? Such a cool concept, it's probably my favorite of all the PJ books, including the Heroes of Olympus series.
I don't dislike the movies, however my feelings are that they are indeed extremely derivative, the acting isn't the best, and it feels like the films target audience is squarely 8 year olds.
I wasn’t a fan of the second movie, and I was a huge fan of the books and much of Riordan’s other novels growing up. I might be an outlier but I always liked the first movie, I thought it had some genuinely funny moments and was an entertaining watch. Even watching it 10+ years later it still has value, however a good majority of Percy Jackson’s fanbase are uh, pretty strange groups, so this movie franchise and it’s direction was surely gonna piss them off.
Saying something got "second life" on Disney+ is like saying the corpse is good and healthy and lives a fulfilling because it was put into mausoleum onto display instead of buried.
I remember trying to watch the lightning thief and I was struck by how terrible the lighting is in the movie. The scene where they are fighting the minotaur outside the gates of camp. I was watching that and could not see anything at all. I was a teenager and picked up on how bad the movie was
While the show was marketed to be an "accurate" adaptation by Riordan himself, the show does a lot of the things the movie did but with a different code of paint. The show changed a lot of the story arcs (for the worse) and out a crap ton of content. In my opinion, I don't think Percy Jackson can be done right in a live-action setting; an animated show would work much better.
I disagree. I do think it's capable of being great in live action. But it requires a director that actually takes the source material seriously and is willing to stick to it fully. Riordan's work is perfect as is, it doesn't need changing. I personally am of the opinion that book series arr always better suited to TV shows rather than movies, since a lot more detail can be put into a TV show than you can fit into a 90 minute movie. I think the PJ franchise could still make a great live action. It just requires a team that actually respects it AND its fans.
Never saw the film or had any interest in the books... ...however I can make a pretty good guess as to what went wrong: Hollyweird has always struggled with the hubris of it's denizens. Add to that having been taken over by ideologues who have poisoned the whole business to the point they don't even acknowledge they are in the entertainment business paid for by the customers they are supposed to attract, not turn away through preaching evil ideology, and disasters are now normal. Where once the problem was failing to adapt popular series properly through the hubris of thinking they knew better than the author who had gained a loyal fanbase, while actually having little to no ability of their own.... ...that has been more recently compounded by generally using every property as a platform to preach ideology at paying customers who only hand over their money to be entertained, made worse that said attempts at public indoctrination go counter to the morality of the vast majority of those fleeing customers.
Changing source material is not necessarily always terrible. BUT, if you're going to change the source material, you have to be damn sure that your new stuff is just as good, if not better than the source material. The new stuff in these movies was absolute slop, whereas in cases like Lucifer, it was well written and stood on it's own as a great story even if it didn't follow the source material
finding out that they cast the lightning thief movie with sequels in mind is baffling like what do you MEAN, you aged the characters way way up, how do you expect them to still be believably young by the time you get to book five???
Even though they’re terrible, the movies are still enjoyable and funny in some parts. The new Disney+ show just feels lifeless to me. Even if it’s closer to the source material, I find myself bored of the constant monologues.
I really like the first film and the dynamic of that cast. The second one was horrible. I never read the books, so had no incling of how inaccurate it was until the new series came out haha
How can you make a mess of Harry Potter just Follow the Books thanks to the Auther no one else if Anything The owners who bought the rights to HP cut out a lot to make as much Money as Possible They made a Fortune even beating SW I believe
I've always felt they changed the ages since the movie would be competing with, the latter 16/17 year old Harry Potter films. They wanted to appeal to the teens who already grew up on Harry Potter, instead of making their own audience to grow alongside of.
I personally really liked the fist movie as a kid, while yes it has its flaws it was very entertaining, sadly I never watched the second movie until about a year ago and it really is a disaster of a film, could be my nostalgia for the first film speaking but it really wasnt enjoyable.
I've never read the Percy Jackson books, but I enjoyed the two movies. You don't need the same villain in every movie (James Bond doesn't have that). In contrast, I recently watched all 8 Harry Potter movies (haven't read the books): Voldemort seemed to show up briefly and be quickly defeated in each initial movie, but it wasn't until the seventh movie that I really got a sense of what the stakes were: i.e. what Voldemort actually wanted, and why it would be a problem for everyone else if he won.
James Bond isn’t a serialised property though, Percy Jackson and the Olympians is five stories making up one story arc so serialised elements are inherent to it including the Big Bad’s identity and presence either in person or through other characters.
Imagine what would happen if Harry Potter was made where the kids were 16 or 15 in the first movie where J.K didn’t get her dream come true and everyone not liking the films and Percy Jackson got the opposite.
That would be placed in an alternate universe the way I see it. And have Voldemort never be mentioned in the first film, only for him to be resurrected in the second film.
How in the world did Rick Riordan get a movie deal before his book even hit bookshelves? I guess someone was pulling strings for this guy, and that really explains the series' success, cuz these books suck tbh (sorry Gen Z)
I remember these coming out in theaters and just never caring to see them, seemed to be the sentiment of many people. The premise is just too weak, not every book needs to be adapted to the screen.
I’d rather watch both of the Percy Jackson films than to ever watch “Woke” Disney’s TV series adaptation of it. Which is kinda ironic as Rick Riordan himself is a “woke” writer starting with the fourth book of his Heroes of Olympus book series.
And you’ve just discredited your credibility. When Riordan incorporates things like LGBT it’s it explore characters and their identities. One character comes from the 40’s when being gay was far more culturally taboo and with what else he goes through is no extrovert. The reveal also recontextualises scenes in previous books. It’s using a character trait to flesh out who that character is and why they are the way they are, it’s character writing not ticking off a check list.
@@jbcatz5 You do realize that the Percy Jackson series is supposed to be a middle grade book series, right? As all that it’s doing is just indoctrinating kids against their wills in normalizing something that isn’t normal just for the sake of defying human nature that is apparently common for humans with weak perception and sense. So you can sugarcoat it all you’d like, but Rick Riordan is nothing but a “woke” shameless “lgbt” worshipping hack.
It’s cute to think that something turned “woke” (a term you are using that I legitimately don’t think you fully understand the meaning of) when the entire series was written as a way for Riordan to help his son, who had ADHD and dyslexia, see himself as a hero when the kid was struggling. It’s literally written for a marginalized group - children with disabilities. Is that “woke” enough for you?
@@gracesw9906 There’s a reason why I use the word in quotations as I don’t use stupid modern slang terms like “woke,” “latinx” “based,” “sus,” and “mid.” So “lgbt” is a disablement, and Riordan’s son is “lgbt,” good to know. thanks 😉.
Same. Being a loyal fan of the book, I lost interest when I saw the movies because the problem with the films was it was too far from the source material. When I saw that they were making a Netflix adaptation, I was happy but when they announced the cast, be it as it may seem, I saw how they had the chance to stick to the source material but chose representation over it. I can't just watch it with a straight face and ignore that uncomfortable feeling of the series' hypocrisy. Same with One Piece
@@grbrrrrr I know exactly what you're talking about and yeah same. Like look, I am Asian. But I still would not want to see Annabeth as an ASian when Rick CLEARLY said she has blonde hair and blue eyes. it really irritated me when Rick himself defended his choice and said the actress was EXACTLY as he imagined Annabeth to be. stop lying. you wrote those books before the whole woke shit.
I thought this was the worst YA novel adaption for a long time, but Artemis Fowl made this look like Citizen Kane by comparison.
eoin colfer had been trying to get it made into a movie for 20 years, and it's so disappointing to see what they did with my favorite book series from when i was a kid. maybe after 20 years he was so worn down from trying to get a movie made that he let them trample all over his story (says he's happy they made the changes they did, but come on, entire character arcs make no sense now). disney hyperion published several of the books in the series, so maybe if it had been published by someone else he would've been able to get a movie made by someone else. i feel like even then, it still would have been a bad adaptation, just nowhere near as atrocious as the disney one.
I just read the first book and holy shit, what the hell happened to the plot in the movie. Like why couldn't they just adapt the solid good plot from the book. No, let's not make artemis a criminal. That was such a stupid move
Yeah, those emails from Riordan to the studio were an amazing read one night. He just bashes the script in every way possible. And there was more he didn't post where he nitpicked, like, every line of dialogue. They reeeeally shot themselves in the foot by not including the author in the pre-production process.
The worst part though, is that the Disney adaptation makes a couple of the same mistakes he called out
@brandonhicks9926 yeah, and then there's all those scenes in the show where they just knew what the situation was. There was no build up or letting the characyers slowly figure it out. They just knew. At least these movies have moments that felt right out of the book, like the Casino scene in Lightning Thief. The show seemed to think it was clever to not even bother with setting the stage, and they just somehow knew everything. Very infuriating.
A big issue for me is that by now, Harry Potter had been released, where the kids started off at 11 and grew throughout the franchise. The PJ films were in such a rush and desperation to get the YA market that they pretty much used the source material as a frame.
Chris Columbus directing Harry Potter 1+2 and the first PJ movie will always confuse me
I always assumed they knew there would be no third movie so they killed Kronos off to finish the story.
that's what i thought as well, which makes the Thalia reveal at the end even dumber lol
I have this little theory that Chris Columbus took Macaulay Culkin's family troubles/downward spiral into depression and substance abuse a little too personally and got burned out of directing kids. There's one particularly telling interview during the Chamber of Secrets press tour where he is very somber about the weight of the responsibility of directing/tutoring child stars, trying to maintain a good relationship with their parents and making sure success doesn't go up their heads. So I guess when he took helm of Percy Jackson he decided to avoid this kind of situation entirely.
Watching you talk about failed films has made me fall in love with your channel
I watched Sea of Monsters on cable tv one day and, at the time, it completely killed off any curiosity I had about the books. That's by far the biggest crime these book based failed franchises commit, killing off interest in the actually well written source material.
Riordan has confirmed in the past that the studio didn't care about the source material, believing the audience of the book doesn't matter due to the small percentage of moviegoers they make up, and that they won't care about differences from the book so long as the movie is good. And this was circa 2010; nowadays, studios seem to find it outright offensive that fans don't like major deviations from the source material. I have to ask, why do studios bother buying the rights to books when they think so lowly of the fans?
Probably easier to convince a studio to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a movie if the story has precedence of selling, makes the ones investing in the movie happy.
Money.
Studios usually prefer to BUY the rights, not merely license them. Thus, even if they don't own the original books, they have the sole authority to make any adaptation. In the short-term they can pump out a product with minimal oversight and make a quick buck. Long-term, once the pesky author is dead they can make whatever they want and become the only association with the name.
Also, because buying the rights to a possible Next Big Thing prevents their rivals from doing anything with them.
This reminded me that the Eragon movie exists. Pain.
if there's one thing good about it is that i read the books after watching the movies and man i'm glad
Oh my god I remember all these fondly because I was like, 8 when I saw them.
I remember the Poker Face scene down to a T from Lightning Thief, and also having a huge crush on Alexandra Daddario (didn't we all though).
Highway to Hell as well... that was a stacked soundtrack and a cute girl, all 8 year old me needed.
Eragon was fun too, the bug people were disgusting, the big battle seemed Epic to a little kid, and dragons!
I think while these were all not "good" movies by source material standards, they're "fun" if not taken seriously. Hence why we recall them better from our childhoods
@@Swullmark Alexandra Daddario can do whatever she wants and I am onboard, even today. But I always thought it was a little odd casting and acting/direction for Annabeth. Especially in the first movie, where it felt like they merged her character with Clarisse.
having Kronos not be established in the first movie and then all of a sudden be mentioned in the second movie as well as showing up way too early is a mistake and this feels like having Sauron not be mentioned in Fellowship of the Ring then right of the blue shows up in the Two Towers and appears in person to fight the Fellowship
Or even Thanos in the Infinity Saga where he doesn't show up in the post end credits for the first Avengers movie then have him show up too early in Age of Ultron or Guardians of the Galaxy with maybe the latter having him as a boss for the Guardians to fight
I remember when my friend and I saw the first movie in theaters for my birthday. Being fans of the books, we had such high hopes for the movie. Needless to say, we were both very disappointed. We didn’t even bother with the second movie.
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It's amazing how much they got wrong about the source material. It's nowhere near as bad as The Last Airbender, but still very insulting.
I think people involved in making movies can request that their names be left off of the credits, so the screenwriters *might* have seen that this was going to be a train wreck and asked to be taken off of it 😬
Screenwriters will also use an alias or pen name for that same reason too.
@@jackson5232Alan Smithee is a famous example
The show is significantly better than the movies and sticks way closer to the source material.however, it still has its own problems, such as a lack of emotion in majority of the scenes and an over reliance on exposition. However, unlike the movies, the put themselves in a position where they would be able to work out the kinks and get more creative in future seasons.
No it's not. Casting is an even bigger mess, plot is just as bad.
@@GothPaokithe casting is great! they kinda leapt off the page
I'll just watch it again and pretend I didn't notice
Lol thank you
Lmao same
Another great critique on the why something didn’t work/take off. Three animated titles for consideration for future videos: Beowolf, Final Fantasy: The Spirit Within, and The Adventures of Tin Tin. Three different animation styles, established directors, all failed to capture audiences as intended.
That Beowulf one was a trip! My english teacher showed it to us after reading the text and it's such a weird movie you would not expect sequel bait lmao.
Tin Tin was an excellent movie, though. As far as I know, everyone who watched it liked it. Final Fantasy was a bit of a nonsensical mess. Don't know what's up with Beowulf, though. It's an established story with an ending. Why would anyone want to see a sequel?
@@Dreadjaws if everyone likes Tintin, if the movie made enough money, then where is the sequel? I think there’s more to talk about with these movies that I mentioned. With Beowulf, the whole motion, capture animation thing that Zemekis was going for with PolarExpress in that movie seemed to die right here with Beowulf. And you have to talk about it as a franchise, you can just talk about how motion capture animation at that time failed to resonate with audiences, why didn’t work, etc. That would be a great video inandof itself.
@@9Lando945 Just because everyone who saw it liked it it doesn’t mean a lot of people saw it.
@@Dreadjaws Yes, we are saying similar things.
I saw this movie in theaters, and only because a friend asked me to go see it with her. I’ve never read any of the books, didn’t see the first movie. We had arrived that evening in Anaheim to visit Disneyland the following day and throughout the week. Since we didn’t have plans for the rest of the day, she asked if I’d see it with her at the AMC in Downtown Disney. I had absolutely no idea what was going on this movie. By the time the credits rolled, I overheard that this movie crammed ideas from at least two (or more) books, which probably explained in part its messiness. The only part I remember was funny, was when Percy started singing “It’s a Small World”, and really only because of where I was watching the movie.
I remember hating the adaptation so much when I was 12 that I wrote a five page essay on why the movie sucked as an adaptation for a homework assignement
The entire 8th grade went to watch the first one in theaters when it came out. As a little movie fan back then, I felt the movie was just ok. I remember the girls being excited to watch it bc of Logan so there's that.
The Absolute Chokehold this movie had on middle school girls at release!! 😂
@@maverickhuntersyd 🤣🤣 Very true
The Disney Plus show might be more faithful, but it lacks fun, energy, mystery or suspense. We deserve better.
Perhaps one day, there might be an animated series that adapts it the closest of them all
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I think the show was great!
Loved every second of it, can’t wait for season 2
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I honestly liked the first film but I think that the TV series is a massive success/improvement; I love what they're doing with that show!
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To be fair to the movies, Kronos and the Titans barely feature in the first two books either, it's only the prophecy that tells you that he is the looming threat, and nothing more than that, so I don't think the first movie made a mistake there. It's only really the third book where that comes to the forefront. His full on appearance in the second is a different story.
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The Disney plus series is much better, and if the show runners correct their mistakes from season 1, it could turn out to be an ideal adaptation. As it is so far though, the dialogue is super exposition heavy to the point of being really distracting and ruining any excitement or pace that the books have. I’ll give season 2 a shot but I can’t say I’ll finish it if the same problems exist with it as season 1
I remember my elementary school showed the first movie in our Auditorium, and my friends were so hype because we were all ready the books it good but I wasn’t happy with the changes in the story
You should consider doing a video on mortal engines. It’s interesting because they wanted it to be the next LOTR and got Peter Jackson involved. But the film completely went against the books.
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I am glad this franchise got a second chance as a series, however I will just stick to the books. I just cannot like the casting of one of my favourite characters; AnnaBeth. The actor really does not match the book discription for me at all. I always liked the idea of the ,stereotypically portrayed as slightly dumb, blonde california surfer girl actually being the super smart one 🤷♀️ Now she is just another ordinary girl who is very smart instead of someone that we expect to be slightly dumb based on her looks that subverts that expectation by actually being super smart 🤷♀️
honestly I never read the books so I genuinely enjoyed the movies lol I’m curious on how they would’ve casted Nico
As a fan of the tv show, i can say that the first season is not perfect and has some flaws, but it doesn't feel disrespectful and you can feel that it was made with love and respect for the source material. It's very promising and i feel it will only get better as the seasons go. As a start, it was very solid, unlike the first movie which was flawed beyond any fixing
I grew up with the movies so to me the movies are Percy Jackson and I love them
I read the books and loved them. I enjoyed the first movie, even with the issues with their adaptation choices. When I saw this movie, I was so disappointed. Another case of "In name Only".
*sighs* honestly i didnt much care of the movies they were just so bad and i can remember my friends in school being die hard fans and after a weekend of seeing the movies they just said to me "dont bother, not worth the 2 hours" years later least Disney got on the right track
I like the nostalgia critics review on this the first one
im a little worried at the speed of the upload rate on this channel
but also might never run out of movies to talk about
The movies were pretty bad in my opinion. The writers who wrote those films showed great disrespect to Mr. Riordan’s source material, thus making the writers themselves downright selfish and mean spirited towards the author of such a masterpiece.
2:08 - the cast was so perfectly picked that none of them actually matched their book prototypes. Whoops!
I saw both films in theater with my grandpa and thought they were good films before my quality tastes kicked in
I was always disappointed they never continued making more of these but I never read the books until COVID and realized just how much they were lacking in Riordan's fun and silly writing style.
The show is muuuuuuuch better but I can never really turn on these two movies since they introduced me to Percy Jackson in the first place.
I'm so sad that they never got to adapt The Battle of the Labyrinth. They had such good source material, how do you mess up this bad? I mean a sentient labyrinth that has chambers from all eras of history with monsters lurking everywhere and you can pop up basically anywhere in the Americas? Such a cool concept, it's probably my favorite of all the PJ books, including the Heroes of Olympus series.
i liked the first one, didnt love it, but it was good... i didnt know that the sequel existed
I don't dislike the movies, however my feelings are that they are indeed extremely derivative, the acting isn't the best, and it feels like the films target audience is squarely 8 year olds.
8:43 that’s the problem I have with alien swarm
I wasn’t a fan of the second movie, and I was a huge fan of the books and much of Riordan’s other novels growing up. I might be an outlier but I always liked the first movie, I thought it had some genuinely funny moments and was an entertaining watch. Even watching it 10+ years later it still has value, however a good majority of Percy Jackson’s fanbase are uh, pretty strange groups, so this movie franchise and it’s direction was surely gonna piss them off.
I personally liked it. Wished they had gotten their act together sooner. Lots of books could have been made into movies.
funniest part of the movie for me was them teasing thalia at the end like they were gonna make a titan's curse movie... like How was that gonna work
Saying something got "second life" on Disney+ is like saying the corpse is good and healthy and lives a fulfilling because it was put into mausoleum onto display instead of buried.
I loved the first one so much.
Are you gonna make Disney’s Next Big Thing for any Touchstone/Hollywood Pictures?
Actually next week's video is a touchstone pictures movie
I Am Number Four? I never watched it but I’ve watched a couple reviews and listings in countdown videos
I remember trying to watch the lightning thief and I was struck by how terrible the lighting is in the movie. The scene where they are fighting the minotaur outside the gates of camp. I was watching that and could not see anything at all. I was a teenager and picked up on how bad the movie was
While the show was marketed to be an "accurate" adaptation by Riordan himself, the show does a lot of the things the movie did but with a different code of paint. The show changed a lot of the story arcs (for the worse) and out a crap ton of content. In my opinion, I don't think Percy Jackson can be done right in a live-action setting; an animated show would work much better.
I disagree. I do think it's capable of being great in live action. But it requires a director that actually takes the source material seriously and is willing to stick to it fully. Riordan's work is perfect as is, it doesn't need changing.
I personally am of the opinion that book series arr always better suited to TV shows rather than movies, since a lot more detail can be put into a TV show than you can fit into a 90 minute movie.
I think the PJ franchise could still make a great live action. It just requires a team that actually respects it AND its fans.
And the casting, can't forget the casting.
Never saw the film or had any interest in the books...
...however I can make a pretty good guess as to what went wrong: Hollyweird has always struggled with the hubris of it's denizens. Add to that having been taken over by ideologues who have poisoned the whole business to the point they don't even acknowledge they are in the entertainment business paid for by the customers they are supposed to attract, not turn away through preaching evil ideology, and disasters are now normal.
Where once the problem was failing to adapt popular series properly through the hubris of thinking they knew better than the author who had gained a loyal fanbase, while actually having little to no ability of their own....
...that has been more recently compounded by generally using every property as a platform to preach ideology at paying customers who only hand over their money to be entertained, made worse that said attempts at public indoctrination go counter to the morality of the vast majority of those fleeing customers.
Nah script just sucked and wasn’t accurate
1:00 well, dont mind if i do
iZombie shares pretty much nothing with the source material, and for the first four seasons it was awesome and beloved.
Similar story with Lucifer.
Changing source material is not necessarily always terrible. BUT, if you're going to change the source material, you have to be damn sure that your new stuff is just as good, if not better than the source material.
The new stuff in these movies was absolute slop, whereas in cases like Lucifer, it was well written and stood on it's own as a great story even if it didn't follow the source material
finding out that they cast the lightning thief movie with sequels in mind is baffling like what do you MEAN, you aged the characters way way up, how do you expect them to still be believably young by the time you get to book five???
Even though they’re terrible, the movies are still enjoyable and funny in some parts. The new Disney+ show just feels lifeless to me. Even if it’s closer to the source material, I find myself bored of the constant monologues.
Rick could have been a little nicer in the emails when pointing out flaws in the scripts.
prefer the movies over what they're doing with the series as the series at least to me & some others is enough talking & get on with it
I really like the first film and the dynamic of that cast. The second one was horrible. I never read the books, so had no incling of how inaccurate it was until the new series came out haha
How can you make a mess of Harry Potter just Follow the Books thanks to the Auther no one else if Anything The owners who bought the rights to HP cut out a lot to make as much Money as Possible They made a Fortune even beating SW I believe
Honestly still like the first movie over the tv show tbh
ngl, i only watched the movies because of logan lerman
I won’t lie, I liked the movie more than the recent TV show, which feels soulless.
It was a classic childhood film until I read the books now I’m disgusted by the movies
I hope you’ll make a video about Harry Potter.
0:09 I understand
I enjoyed the Percy Jackson movies for what they were, but at the same time, I was as disappointed in them as the next Rick Riordan book fan.
The real reason it failed is because Sean Bean didn't die onscreen. It was therefore cursed from the start.
Heroes please
I've always felt they changed the ages since the movie would be competing with, the latter 16/17 year old Harry Potter films. They wanted to appeal to the teens who already grew up on Harry Potter, instead of making their own audience to grow alongside of.
Also, Twilight and maybe even The Hunger Games, wich featured older protagonists than Percy.
I personally really liked the fist movie as a kid, while yes it has its flaws it was very entertaining, sadly I never watched the second movie until about a year ago and it really is a disaster of a film, could be my nostalgia for the first film speaking but it really wasnt enjoyable.
The show needs to be better as well. Lot of room for improvement.
YA: films for children too intellectually challenged to understand films for adults!
New version?
yeah I made some mistakes that were bothering me
Disney+ is dead to me. #IwillNotComply #WelcomeToTheRebelion
Personally the first one was perfect in my eyes, the second not so much. I hated the grover recast too much
I wonder why this got re-uploaded?
Hm intro got shorter I think
@@NpcManDoesStuff I mispronounced some stuff. Pronunciation is my Achilles heel.
@@isenhartproductions2677 really didn't even noticed it, still a great video 100%
I've never read the Percy Jackson books, but I enjoyed the two movies. You don't need the same villain in every movie (James Bond doesn't have that). In contrast, I recently watched all 8 Harry Potter movies (haven't read the books): Voldemort seemed to show up briefly and be quickly defeated in each initial movie, but it wasn't until the seventh movie that I really got a sense of what the stakes were: i.e. what Voldemort actually wanted, and why it would be a problem for everyone else if he won.
James Bond isn’t a serialised property though, Percy Jackson and the Olympians is five stories making up one story arc so serialised elements are inherent to it including the Big Bad’s identity and presence either in person or through other characters.
The books aren't that great tbh
What is next video?
Imagine what would happen if Harry Potter was made where the kids were 16 or 15 in the first movie where J.K didn’t get her dream come true and everyone not liking the films and Percy Jackson got the opposite.
That would be placed in an alternate universe the way I see it. And have Voldemort never be mentioned in the first film, only for him to be resurrected in the second film.
Yessssss
The show is a lot more faithful, but it lacks personality. In that sense I think the movie is better.
The disney plus one just race swapped most of the characters.
Still a big problem in my eyes.
These movies looked really cheap.
I realy liked the first one and I didn’t even think to compare with Harry Potter😂 it’s nothing alike
because these are kids movies,
and they think we are dumb so it's ok for them to do a shlti job.
I actually prefer the cast of the first two films compared to the Disney series. Mostly because I just hate the race swapping Disney did.
Wah wah
The movies are better than the show though. The show feels so stale wlhile the movies got that hype. It's an adaption after all.
The first one has unbearablely cringe dialogue, I can’t watch it, the second one was good but I wish it had more vore.
Every year? Dude, you're an amateur crazy. I watch lord of the rings at least once every 3 months ;)
Pronounes it correctly, then apologizes for pronouncing it correctly while pronouncing it incorrectly.
How in the world did Rick Riordan get a movie deal before his book even hit bookshelves? I guess someone was pulling strings for this guy, and that really explains the series' success, cuz these books suck tbh (sorry Gen Z)
After I watched the Tv show, I feel like the first movie was much better 😂
I remember these coming out in theaters and just never caring to see them, seemed to be the sentiment of many people. The premise is just too weak, not every book needs to be adapted to the screen.
The Disney tv series is not even good, what are they yapping about?
I’d rather watch both of the Percy Jackson films than to ever watch “Woke” Disney’s TV series adaptation of it.
Which is kinda ironic as Rick Riordan himself is a “woke” writer starting with the fourth book of his Heroes of Olympus book series.
And you’ve just discredited your credibility. When Riordan incorporates things like LGBT it’s it explore characters and their identities. One character comes from the 40’s when being gay was far more culturally taboo and with what else he goes through is no extrovert. The reveal also recontextualises scenes in previous books. It’s using a character trait to flesh out who that character is and why they are the way they are, it’s character writing not ticking off a check list.
@@jbcatz5 You do realize that the Percy Jackson series is supposed to be a middle grade book series, right?
As all that it’s doing is just indoctrinating kids against their wills in normalizing something that isn’t normal just for the sake of defying human nature that is apparently common for humans with weak perception and sense.
So you can sugarcoat it all you’d like, but Rick Riordan is nothing but a “woke” shameless “lgbt” worshipping hack.
It’s cute to think that something turned “woke” (a term you are using that I legitimately don’t think you fully understand the meaning of) when the entire series was written as a way for Riordan to help his son, who had ADHD and dyslexia, see himself as a hero when the kid was struggling. It’s literally written for a marginalized group - children with disabilities. Is that “woke” enough for you?
@@gracesw9906 There’s a reason why I use the word in quotations as I don’t use stupid modern slang terms like “woke,” “latinx” “based,” “sus,” and “mid.”
So “lgbt” is a disablement, and Riordan’s son is “lgbt,” good to know. thanks 😉.
@@johnnyd3158Yet you unironically use the term to justify your refusal to watch the Disney+ adaptation.
I loved the books so much and was really annoyed at the time when they didn't bother to dye Annabeth's hair blond. such a simple gripe but it irked me
Same. Being a loyal fan of the book, I lost interest when I saw the movies because the problem with the films was it was too far from the source material. When I saw that they were making a Netflix adaptation, I was happy but when they announced the cast, be it as it may seem, I saw how they had the chance to stick to the source material but chose representation over it. I can't just watch it with a straight face and ignore that uncomfortable feeling of the series' hypocrisy. Same with One Piece
@@grbrrrrr I know exactly what you're talking about and yeah same. Like look, I am Asian. But I still would not want to see Annabeth as an ASian when Rick CLEARLY said she has blonde hair and blue eyes. it really irritated me when Rick himself defended his choice and said the actress was EXACTLY as he imagined Annabeth to be. stop lying. you wrote those books before the whole woke shit.