Post-Blizzcon Thoughts and Impacts for TBC Classic
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- More of a listen along video but theres a little bit going on in the visuals if you want to get every last drop of suggestions PeepoHeart.
0:00 - Intro
0:51 - Release Schedule
1:30 - Paladin Seals
3:22 - Paid 58 Boost
5:54 - Pre-patch Draenei and Blood Elves
8:45 - Paid Character Copy
10:24 - Planned Drum Nerf 
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The Amount of good infos in your vids are insane !
you super underratet bro.
keep it up and you will be big !
nice vid as always :)!
Dude. PHENOMENAL video. You read my mind with the monetization aspects. It is a business, after all. Couldn’t have said it better.
On top of that, your general analysis of which way markets will tilt was spot on. Instant sub. Keep up the great content!
I am excited the this new iteration of TBC. It's gonna be different meta than Vanilla TBC and private servers. We gotta adapt and adjust. Can't wait
Pog, nice vid
So far at least, it's good to see them taking a more active role with TBC, felt like with classic there were so many issues left unaddressed, now a bunch are getting talked about right out the gate here.
For sure, it can only bode well for the future that even if mistakes occur, they will be given the required attention.
Would be awesome to watch you cover professions in tbc :-)
Once the quick meta guides are finished (hoping to be within 2-3 weeks), I'll be doing a deep dive series on several topics, I'll add professions to the list :)
Thank for the video! Just voicing my opinion: I think paid boost is bad for the game, bots will use their retail billions of gold, convert it to blizzard balance and plague classic even more. TBC is months away, servers will be progressive, just start playing and you have plenty of time to level up and prepare, ESPECIALLY if you wanna catch up to your friends (as they marketed the boost for) who can help you with gold/groups quests/bags etc.
If drums and sappers shared a cooldown, engineering might be back on top baby lol
Definitely could be!
You get one free copy to TBC or to Classic. If they gave a free copy to Classic and servers moved to TBC they would have to basically double the resources required. Requiring people to pay to get both classic and TBC pays for that additional server space.
Very true, not very good economics, it makes sense to not do that
@@KnotxD Especially given that the vast majority will play on just one of the two environments. I just can't see very many people flipping back and forth on the same character between Vanilla and TBC. This also makes player draw a line in the sand for their characters, so Blizzard will know where to dedicate resources. I assume they feel most people will move on (hence just converting all servers to "progression"), but maybe they'll be surprised to learn that more people than they expect opt to stay in Vanilla. If they just allow both, they'll have no idea until it's likely too late.
So, about the seals. Staysafe had an original developer on the channel and they walked about how ACTUALLY little that paladin seal is to the overall raid dps. its like nothing. They did the *math*
Yeah that makes sense, though in this, I mean more that ret paladins won't "have" to play horde for maximum performance for themselves. So for population balance I think its a net positive regardless.
sure... except.. seal twisting is a thing.. and THAT is why its huge
Jordan took the effect of one part of the Paladin tool kit and figured out int's impact on the DPS of 16 characters which is a ridiculous way to calculate impact. The issue with the Seals is exactly what was mentioned in this video, it will keep Ret Paladins in the raid, which is what they care about. So the impact on Ret Paladins, one of the most played specs in the game, is a lot more significant than calculating extra damage for one out of 16 DPS characters.
Also, sometimes perception is more important than reality.
@@andrewshandle it kind of sounds exactly like what he said. The comparison was a difference to the overall raid dps. And even that the players are better developers than the developers.
@@ericp4834 Jordan was saying that they should;dn't have made the change because he difference between SoV and SoB isn't all that much for the overall raid, but the change was made for individual players, not the raid as a whole. So it's a really bad logic.
It's like saying you don't deserve a raise if you work for a huge company because overall, you don't account for that much of their entire revenue.
If this changes results in Alliance Rets getting raid spots, it adds value to those characters. It's an argument he made in bad faith.
Botting isn't affected by boosts. If a botter gets 5 accounts and pays for 5 boosts and they get banned they have to spend money on accounts and boosts again and they risk losing money on each ban.
People who are going to create alts to make gold are still going to be limited by materials and not by cooldowns. Also people like this likely will already have alts for transmutes or cloth CD's.
That logic holds up pretty well if blizzard aggressively ban bots very regularly but I'm not sure that approach is aggressive enough to actually work out that. But I agree broadly speaking that the bot aspects are definitely overestimated.
I thought the lady at the round table was pretty awkward.
Yeah she seemed nervous to me, I think all three hadn't been at a huge event like this speaking before, plus I guess the format meant they needed to 'act' more rather than deliver a presentation like they might be more used to from their jobs.
I think your video is filled with great information, however I have to disagree with your final point on monetisation. I watched a good podcast with original wow designer Kevin Jordan the other day, he made a really good point that an MMO is a working progress, you are paying a sub fee every month so that we get constant work done and improvements to the game. Retail gets this, but classic players do not in the slightest. Not even an improvement on the botting situation!? I think they have got enough money from re releasing a 15 year old game (very poorly as well) to start charging us for stuff like character copies.
That's a fair take. How do all the retail monetisation aspects factor in though? Because retail is clearly supported by more than just sub fees.
@@KnotxD I don’t think you can factor in things such as store mounts in any relation too classic or mmo’s in general, it’s terrible game design IMO and is a result of corporate greed. I guess how are we expected to pay more than a sub fee? considering this is an already made game, we aren’t paying for more content, updates to the game or anything really other then the server upkeep. Frankly the fact I’m paying this much in sub fees for these awful servers is criminal. Try opening your mailbox on Gehennas in stormwind!
In relation too like paying for shadowlands, it’s a new game and I think warrants the money to buy it. Then the sub fee covers the updates during its lifecycle.
The 'necessary evil' arguement for monetization doesnt hold any water IMO. We all pay $15 a month, which for retails means continuous updates and development. For classic, it has meant ~10 bug fixes in 2 years. We shouldn't need to spend any more money to prove Classic's value to blizzard - classic is the biggest return on investment of any product blizzard has ever made
Whilst I appreciate the viewpoint, retail isn't just subscription, not since wrath of the lich King. Since Wrath they progressively monetised with several services and you can argue its way overboard, which I would agree with. But the truth is that there is alot of additional monetisation beyond the subscription fee for retail and I think having a couple lesser cases in classic will be a net positive even if its a bitter pill. For example, we had the TBC announcement with more changes already than we got all through vanilla classic. I don't think it's a coincidence this approach was paired with some monetisation, and I personally and relieved it's 'only' the copy and 1 boost per bnet. It could have been far worse.
Don't get me wrong though, if they monetise super aggressively over time, I will be very against it but I do believe there's a small amount we do need to be okay with to then expect changes in return. Just my 2 cents though, I'm sure financially classic has been huge for their bottom line and there's definitely scope to question why they'd need more cash flow to generate some changes.
@@KnotxD So I have a thought on. this, especially the boosts. Given they have announced TBClassic so early, plenty of people will have time to level the character they want (outside Space Goats and BElfs) well before even pre-patch, so this isn't a thing that is like "TBC Classic goes live next week, so all you players who quit better get your boost". Instead its for the people who literally _do not_ want to level in the old world and don't care about Vanilla.
I fully expect PvPers to be a lot of these people who will gladly pass on leveling and just use their boost. Vanilla Classic, as fun as it was to play again, was absolutely horrible for PvPers who want a skill based game and didn't want to spend 80 hours a week playing. It was all pre-made BGs, consumables and Rank/Ladder stacking, pretty much the antithesis of what PvP is in TBC. So if the choice was between no boasts at all or level 58 boasts, I think a fair percentage of the paying customer base will be more than happy to pay $60 bucks to avoid all the stuff they hated about Classic to jump into TBC to power level for a week then start getting reading for Arena Season 1.
Blizzard clearly did the math on this, while they won't make a crapload of money, I wouldn't be surprised if they get in the tens of thousands for the number of boosts, all from people with jobs and other commitments who just want to PvP and don't care for what came before them. If they get the Boost + a six month worth of subs from those people, it's a worth while.
@@andrewshandle For sure, there is a very broad portion of players that benefit from this and getting them to dip their toe into TBC classic is only a good thing. PvP players will love the boost as you say, it alllows them to jump into a classic arena experience without having to slog through content that is not their primary motivator.
Technically alliance ret paladins are now better because of passive expertise from their racial.
Very true, I hadn't considered that. Good shout!
Boosts is awful. This isn’t retail. This endgame only mindset is cancerous for the game. TBC is 1-70 whether or not people want to believe it. Recruit a Friend would’ve been a much better, more classic-like approach to catching up. Even without RAF, exp rates are still increased significantly so it’s much faster to level in TBC anyways. If you don’t have time to level then why even play Classic? Why not play Retail, Fortnite or Raid shadow legends (unironically)? Don’t have time to level (which can be done in your own time at your own pace) but have time for a 2 hour raid? Have time to farm mats?? Then what?? The retail players start demanding WoW tokens??
And lmao at you even suggesting ActiBlizz are going to reinvest the profits to deal with the botting. You and I both know that’s a complete lie so I don’t know why it was even said.
I don’t know why every streamer/RUclipsr is just rolling over for Blizzard and letting them ruin classic right in front of us.
I rarely ‘dislike’ videos but this one really rubbed me the wrong way, sorry