Yeah, I wish there had been two or three more episodes. We could have seen more of Criston, his early days in the King's Guard and some more hints of his background. Even yes, him getting bullied because he's Dornish. I don't know or remember if the show has talked or mentioned how Dorne isn't a part of the Seven Kingdoms yet. I wish we could have seen Viserys and Alicent's wedding. There's a deleted scene with Alicent and Rhaenyra before the wedding. Show more of Laena. Like her relationship with her brother and especially Rhaenyra. It said in the Fire and Blood novel that they were close and planned to marry off their children. Finally I would like to have seen more of Harwin Strong. I mean I don't mind that we don't see much of him and Rhaenyra, instead of most is implied, but I wish we seen how it began I guess. Maybe we could have had one more episode after Laenor and Rhaenyra's wedding, how they try to have a child, and it doesn't go well. Then it's implied she's seeing someone else. Then we find out after the time jump it's Harwin.
Ultimately it comes down to how the show is framing the narrative, the major character perspectives, how the audience engages with the text, and the overall format of the adaptation. There’s only so much a production team can squeeze into a 10-episode season which is supposed to cover around 10 - 15 years of character development, and with such a huge cast to boot! Because of how HOTD S1 was formatted, we only get snapshots of who Criston is, and it leaves casual fans with nothing but a terrible first impression. I can only speak for myself when I say that I believe Criston Cole was done a disservice in Season 1. Instead of leaning into this idea that Criston is a thug, I think the showrunners could’ve added more complexity by further highlighting the fact that he was initially a lower-class man working his way through the system and once reaching a position in the upper echelon, he realized that the whole system itself was nothing but a mummer’s farce and that some of the people in such high positions of power don’t adhere to the values they espouse. This realization would understandably cause anyone who worked that hard to achieve an esteemed position (that they’re now stuck in) to feel embittered and distrustful. The problem is how the writers and showrunners chose to portray Criston in and after Episode 5. It’s harder for the audience to empathize with a man who openly committed an inexcusable hate crime against another innocent man, instead of partaking in a “supposed” accident against said man at a tourney where it could be made more ambiguous. There were plenty of other ways Criston could’ve been characterized going forward, perhaps emotionally distancing himself from Rhaenyra and choosing to immerse himself in the duties expected of a kingsguard to “repent” for his error in judgment. Hell, show him being more of a father figure to Alicent’s kids since there were no scenes of Viserys putting in the effort. Instead, he is not given any degree of self-reflection or opportunity to discuss the ethics of the court amongst his fellow knights, shown to have close friends he can feel safe around, or even basic hobbies that would humanize him whenever he’s off duty. Overall, while I won’t disparage anyone for feeling the way they do about whichever character in whichever work of fiction, I believe there’s merit in exploring Criston Cole and its nice to see that despite some misgivings among the fandom, there’re some willing to discuss potential facets of him.
"hate crime against another innocent man" More like Cole committed a crime against a man who made a veiled threat towards him about the very treason that has pushed him to his breaking point. Ultimately that crime paints Cole in a terrible light in the public eye given how most ppl won't know the full context as Criston did. Edit: It's not a "hate crime" but simply a *crime*. Also I firmly believe Cole is one of the top3 most misunderstood and unfairly despised characters in the show. His story is a tragedy like many in this story and like the Dance as a whole.
Atleast in the show i had a really bad feeling as rhaenyra and cole did it. He seemed so unwilling. Also how could anyone not see his reaction with joffrey as his breakingpoint. Honestly i read the book and had the feeling that man is either going to kill someone or throw himself from the redkeep
This video was so good. Criston is so interesting, he's easily in my top 3 or 4 with Alicent and Armond. I think a video on Helaena would be great too.
A knight's vow especially a Kingsguard's vows is holy and sacred like a priest's Breaking his vows has made him dishonorable to himself and sinful to the gods Poor Cris thinks he's going to Hell and the viewers just say he's being dramatic
One interesting thing I realized is that both Criston and Alicent 2 people most affected by the system of Westoros are the ones fighting the most to keep it...... I find that very interesting cause in any other story they'd be fighting to end the system
Copy and paste: It's insane how the fanbase collectively whitewashes Rhaenyra while hating on Cole as just an incel/simp 'who raged at being rejected' and miss the intricacies so badly. Rhaenyra abused her power and disregarded Cole's honour, vows and duty entirely to get herself off, using him like Daemon did her. Then, when he tried to restore his honour and give her an out (admittedly stupid but desperate), after years of her whining to him about how 'nobody has ever held my position' when Cole had to remind her what a privileged, well off little royal she was, she then suddenly threw the 'I may chafe at my duties' rubbish at him and happily didn't give one thought to the vows and oaths she had coerced him to break, while then hilariously going straight to using her own duties ('I am the crown') as a get out of jail free card. Imagine if in 2022 a male CEO locked his receptionist in a room, kissed her twice, began undressing her and did so while she said 'Stop' and physically tried to prevent him? Cole got MeToo'd. But no. People just see it that 'he tried to marry her and got salty because she rejected him'. Rhaenyra is more to blame than anyone that she made such a nasty enemy out of Cole.
I was leaning toward team black at the start with Daemon and Rhaenyra. But Rhaenyra is the TRUE villain in my opinion. Aegon is a mid king. But Aemond as King regent with the greens I'm on his side.
@@kelphiuspolluxeldanimus6426 Aegon Is A Better Ruler Than Aemond so what are you talking about shorty🤔🤔 The realm is in better hands under Aegon lmao💯💯
Criston is a underrated character in the show he very reliable character in the show and book but the show is tryna paint a depiction of certain team as bad and one good that’s why I believe that’s why they don’t have daeron in the show cause I think people would see the blacks for what they are and they don’t want the greens to have to much sympathy that’s why I never understood why they made aegon to be terrible then he truly was but that hbo and director and writers for you.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 dude I don’t need you telling me I seen the last episode and we still haven’t seen him and I don’t really care after this horrible season they just going to mess his character up and not follow the book canon I don’t care about this lesbianex show
People calling him an incel confuse me. He doesn't hate or mistreat women, he loathes one woman for a pretty significant reason. She used him for sex, he gave up his honour because he loved her, something he valued more than his own life, only to find out he meant nothing to her. Pretty good justification for hating her if you ask me.
She was... a child. Nobody can ever convince me that he was the victim and not a total incelly nutjob for being so enraged and vengeful that a woman didn't reciprocate her feelings. He broke his honor and at the end of the day that's his responsibility, not hers
@Arigost she straight up was a minor. In fact, he's known her since she was a 14 year old so that makes it even weirder. Men just want to be the victim all the time when they CHOOSE to sleep with barely legal teenagers.
@@KyRogersyou’re looking at the show with the privilege of a 21st western century. This shit takes place in fantasy Middle Ages lmao so the same morals and values society has today aren’t as relevant
@@KyRogers 19 isn't a child, it's a young adult and that's how old Rhaenyra was here. Also, you're so incorrect it's not even funny. Exit your 2024 female bias and privilege for a moment and imagine if a male CEO in 2024 locked his receptionist in a room, kissed her twice, began undressing her and did so while she said 'Stop' and physically reached out to try to prevent him? This is EXACTLY what Cole did but you just throw out delusions like 'Men just want to be the victim all the time'? He got MeToo'd. Also, Rhaenyra didn't reciprocate her feelings? What the hell are you talking about? She was the one who wanted to continue sleeping with him on the side, it was him, the supposed incel nutjob, who put a stop to it because she was happy risking him having his nuts chopped off and being executed for the crime of sleeping with her, something she as a fully grown 19 year old woman pushed for.
Sir Criston is a tragic character, even tho lots of fans is belittling him and calls h a simp and a pathetic man. The truth is that he had worked his hole life for the role as kingsguard and then was raped by the one that gave him the role in the firstplace. Than he was getting more and more paranoid with a lowering state of sanity thinking that he would be executed any moment so he begs Rhaenyra to flee with him so he can leave and not risk being eather mutilated or killed. She refuses and of course that infuriates him. She raped him belittling his honour and when he practically begs for mercy she asks him to be her hore. In the wedding he was paranoid and on the brink of suecide because wich he tries to do after killing Joffrey. Alicent saved him from that fate and therefore he is loyal to her but still holds a grudge against the women who nearly ruined his entire life. That is the tragidy of Criston Cole, a flawed man who did everything he was supposed to and nearly lost everything in the process.
@@widowrumstrypze9705 "Shes 14"💀💀💀. She's 18 in this show and of legal age while being lined up for hundreds to marry her. Everything you just said just fell apart. She's the rapist if anything putting him in that situation he didn't want to be in. It's ALL Rhaenyras fault. Cole knew she could say whatever she wanted if he perhaps rejected her. He went thru with it because he knew the risks saying no could be way worse. His anger toward her is justified.
@@widowrumstrypze9705brother she is a princess with a dragon she could have him killed if he rejected her there is always that one fear you clearly did not watch the video
…are you a wizard? lmaooo but no, seriously, you have a true gift for making people see things in a grayer lighting. i mean, i’m about as black and white as a person can be, yet by the end of this, i *genuinely* understand the motivations behind Cole’s character. you should be a speaker at the United Nations or something. i bet you could convince the entire world to stop and empathize from different, non bias perspectives lol 💀
Yeah, episode 9 was shit, it was the episode that was the woke episode, and it destroyed so many characters. Or ripped out so many cool scenes. Instead, we got to find the prince, Alicent what you are plotting against Rhaeyra without my knowledge robbing her of agency, and the mass murder Rhaenys and Idoit for not burning the greens to ash.
Alicent offered crispon a way to take the horrible things he'd done and place the blame for him doing them on Rhanyra. Like without her, he wouldn't have done either thing, she's the villain, and bringing her down will clense your white cloak and make up for everything. I think Alicent got that point across to him and that she'd be on his side cause she feels she knows how he kinda feels. They both feel as if Rhanyra is the root cause of all the trouble in their lives and the thirst for revenge against her is the driving factor. More so for Crispon where Alicent just wants to do what she thinks is right. Crispon just turned an innocent man's face into what looked like a partially sliced up roast beef and that was his goal in the moment. He grabbed the dudes mushy face by the chin and turned it side to side to make sure he'd smashed it good enough and then gets up and flees. I'd say he's got a bigger motivation in viewing Rhanyra as evil and needs to "bring her to justice" for being a teenage girl with power(something he forgets about) to make himself feel better about his own giving in to temptation(both for sex and murder). All that being said, Joffree was dumb af and never shoulda acted like he even knew cole.
@@johnnymontanez9847 accidentally murdered beesburry & with Joffrey…Joffrey sexually assaulted criston by slapping his ahh & Joffrey Was Being Caviler, Basically Rubbing The Dishonor In His Face & He Also Knew Cristons Secret so criston snapped
“for being a teenage girl with power(something he forgets about)” She was a teenager yet she was still grown…. She was 18 in episode 4 & 19 by episode 5… mind you 16 is a adult for a girl in Westeros’s so she been grown
“make himself feel better about his own giving in to temptation” He got r*ped by midnyra…Criston literally said STOP Which means NO & TRIED to LEAVE‼️ SWITCH the ROLES & the MAN gets ALL of the BLAME💯💯‼️ She RUINED the THING he put his ENTIRE SELF WORTH into Potna…💯💯‼️ If somebody says NO & Then you "seduce" them, Its Not Seduction. It’s Coercion & R*pe!!
He's not from Dorne, the Dornish marches is part of the Stormlands. His book counterpart also doesn't look Dornish they're a minor house to house Dondarion who are from the Stormlands
Hmm. Definitely agree with some of your views on him but also can’t vibe with a few of them. To me-- Criston Cole is very-- Catholic/Christian coded, and in many ways a very hypocritical bitter and prideful man. That’s not to say he’s without his virtues, he has many but ultimately at the end of it all his choices and where they lead him are his own. Also regarding his beating and murder of Joffrey I DO absolutely believe that he was very much at a breaking point regarding EVERYTHING BUT--- I also like to believe at this time Criston was still very much doing his duty to the royal family including Rhaenyra…. Joffrey KNEW about him and Rhaenyra. He doesn’t know this man beyond him being the paramour of Rhaenyra’s fiancé and that he is AWARE of his and Rhaenyra’s relationship. Wether Cole truly thought Joffrey was trying to taunt or threaten him with this knowledge or truly meant his words regarding camaraderie in their positions as lovers and protectors of their individual partners. It didn’t matter. Joffrey knew the truth and was a potential threat to Rhaenyra. And so Cole silenced him permanently. And admittedly in a far more brutal manner than was actually needed but as you said, at this time, Cole was at a breaking point and some of that most definitely came out in how exactly he chose to handle Joffrey. But that’s just how I viewed his actions.
I have always hated how the fandom just over simplifies him into just a incel, when in reality he’s so much more complex. He’s just someone who wants to matter and will desperately cling onto something if that gives him purpose. When you strip it all away he’s such an empty, depressed and almost suicidal man. However, I suppose the majority of this fandom lacks reading comprehension.
A lot of what you said makes sense, but watching him take out his resentment on innocent kids leaves me with no sympathy for him. Whatever feelings drove him too it, he’s a bully.
While I can understand how his position could lead to such a spiral. It doesn't take away from the fact that he help instigate one of the bloodiest conflicts in Westeros. Criston could've found any other way to deal with his hang-ups but decides to push Aegon to steal the one thing Rhaenyra is meant for. Very clear act of revenge with thoughts for how it might effect the very class of people he came from.
Criston Baited & Played Tf out of that goofy ahh Harwin dude & Then Laughed Once Or Twice While Getting Hit & Then Laughed Again After💯 Criston Took A W In That Scene💯
Nah Alicent is all about honor and would never do that. She saved Cole after he dishonored himself and wouldn't put him in that position again. Its their courtly love and respect for each other that I find so interesting. Alicole allday
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Yeah, I wish there had been two or three more episodes. We could have seen more of Criston, his early days in the King's Guard and some more hints of his background. Even yes, him getting bullied because he's Dornish. I don't know or remember if the show has talked or mentioned how Dorne isn't a part of the Seven Kingdoms yet.
I wish we could have seen Viserys and Alicent's wedding. There's a deleted scene with Alicent and Rhaenyra before the wedding. Show more of Laena. Like her relationship with her brother and especially Rhaenyra. It said in the Fire and Blood novel that they were close and planned to marry off their children. Finally I would like to have seen more of Harwin Strong. I mean I don't mind that we don't see much of him and Rhaenyra, instead of most is implied, but I wish we seen how it began I guess. Maybe we could have had one more episode after Laenor and Rhaenyra's wedding, how they try to have a child, and it doesn't go well. Then it's implied she's seeing someone else. Then we find out after the time jump it's Harwin.
Ultimately it comes down to how the show is framing the narrative, the major character perspectives, how the audience engages with the text, and the overall format of the adaptation. There’s only so much a production team can squeeze into a 10-episode season which is supposed to cover around 10 - 15 years of character development, and with such a huge cast to boot! Because of how HOTD S1 was formatted, we only get snapshots of who Criston is, and it leaves casual fans with nothing but a terrible first impression.
I can only speak for myself when I say that I believe Criston Cole was done a disservice in Season 1. Instead of leaning into this idea that Criston is a thug, I think the showrunners could’ve added more complexity by further highlighting the fact that he was initially a lower-class man working his way through the system and once reaching a position in the upper echelon, he realized that the whole system itself was nothing but a mummer’s farce and that some of the people in such high positions of power don’t adhere to the values they espouse. This realization would understandably cause anyone who worked that hard to achieve an esteemed position (that they’re now stuck in) to feel embittered and distrustful.
The problem is how the writers and showrunners chose to portray Criston in and after Episode 5. It’s harder for the audience to empathize with a man who openly committed an inexcusable hate crime against another innocent man, instead of partaking in a “supposed” accident against said man at a tourney where it could be made more ambiguous. There were plenty of other ways Criston could’ve been characterized going forward, perhaps emotionally distancing himself from Rhaenyra and choosing to immerse himself in the duties expected of a kingsguard to “repent” for his error in judgment. Hell, show him being more of a father figure to Alicent’s kids since there were no scenes of Viserys putting in the effort. Instead, he is not given any degree of self-reflection or opportunity to discuss the ethics of the court amongst his fellow knights, shown to have close friends he can feel safe around, or even basic hobbies that would humanize him whenever he’s off duty.
Overall, while I won’t disparage anyone for feeling the way they do about whichever character in whichever work of fiction, I believe there’s merit in exploring Criston Cole and its nice to see that despite some misgivings among the fandom, there’re some willing to discuss potential facets of him.
"hate crime against another innocent man"
More like Cole committed a crime against a man who made a veiled threat towards him about the very treason that has pushed him to his breaking point. Ultimately that crime paints Cole in a terrible light in the public eye given how most ppl won't know the full context as Criston did.
Edit: It's not a "hate crime" but simply a *crime*. Also I firmly believe Cole is one of the top3 most misunderstood and unfairly despised characters in the show. His story is a tragedy like many in this story and like the Dance as a whole.
@@browniebearcouldn’t agree more
Criston and Aegon, as characters, had so much to explore, we just needed the right narrative.
@@yasmina3999 I agree. The show did a huge disservice to both
@AlicentHighTower__lol I know like what hate crime? He didn’t kill the dude because he was gay lol
Atleast in the show i had a really bad feeling as rhaenyra and cole did it. He seemed so unwilling.
Also how could anyone not see his reaction with joffrey as his breakingpoint. Honestly i read the book and had the feeling that man is either going to kill someone or throw himself from the redkeep
This video was so good. Criston is so interesting, he's easily in my top 3 or 4 with Alicent and Armond.
I think a video on Helaena would be great too.
A knight's vow especially a Kingsguard's vows is holy and sacred like a priest's
Breaking his vows has made him dishonorable to himself and sinful to the gods
Poor Cris thinks he's going to Hell and the viewers just say he's being dramatic
I believe Alicent and Cole will bring that night up in the Godswood again next season and talk about what happened that night.
RIP Ser Criston Cole the Kingmaker. My favorite psychopathic peacock and one of the most deadliest Knights of his time.
One interesting thing I realized is that both Criston and Alicent 2 people most affected by the system of Westoros are the ones fighting the most to keep it...... I find that very interesting cause in any other story they'd be fighting to end the system
Yes please do Helaena next. I would understand if you waited until season 2 is done but that’ll be a long time from now
YAY I've been hoping you'd do a video for him
Same here one of the most misunderstood and overhated character on the show
Copy and paste: It's insane how the fanbase collectively whitewashes Rhaenyra while hating on Cole as just an incel/simp 'who raged at being rejected' and miss the intricacies so badly.
Rhaenyra abused her power and disregarded Cole's honour, vows and duty entirely to get herself off, using him like Daemon did her. Then, when he tried to restore his honour and give her an out (admittedly stupid but desperate), after years of her whining to him about how 'nobody has ever held my position' when Cole had to remind her what a privileged, well off little royal she was, she then suddenly threw the 'I may chafe at my duties' rubbish at him and happily didn't give one thought to the vows and oaths she had coerced him to break, while then hilariously going straight to using her own duties ('I am the crown') as a get out of jail free card.
Imagine if in 2022 a male CEO locked his receptionist in a room, kissed her twice, began undressing her and did so while she said 'Stop' and physically tried to prevent him? Cole got MeToo'd. But no. People just see it that 'he tried to marry her and got salty because she rejected him'. Rhaenyra is more to blame than anyone that she made such a nasty enemy out of Cole.
I was leaning toward team black at the start with Daemon and Rhaenyra. But Rhaenyra is the TRUE villain in my opinion. Aegon is a mid king. But Aemond as King regent with the greens I'm on his side.
@@kelphiuspolluxeldanimus6426 Aegon Is A Better Ruler Than Aemond so what are you talking about shorty🤔🤔
The realm is in better hands under Aegon lmao💯💯
All You Do Is Speak Fact💯💯‼️
Criston is a underrated character in the show he very reliable character in the show and book but the show is tryna paint a depiction of certain team as bad and one good that’s why I believe that’s why they don’t have daeron in the show cause I think people would see the blacks for what they are and they don’t want the greens to have to much sympathy that’s why I never understood why they made aegon to be terrible then he truly was but that hbo and director and writers for you.
Be patient. Season 2 is about to change all that. There is no “good side” by the time the show ends.
@@fireandblood2919I reckon at the end of season 2 the blacks will look more like the bad guys.
Daeron is in the show mate, he’s seen from a distance at the end of season 2.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 dude I don’t need you telling me I seen the last episode and we still haven’t seen him and I don’t really care after this horrible season they just going to mess his character up and not follow the book canon I don’t care about this lesbianex show
@@elijah5182 💯💯
Can do Helena next
People calling him an incel confuse me. He doesn't hate or mistreat women, he loathes one woman for a pretty significant reason. She used him for sex, he gave up his honour because he loved her, something he valued more than his own life, only to find out he meant nothing to her. Pretty good justification for hating her if you ask me.
She was... a child. Nobody can ever convince me that he was the victim and not a total incelly nutjob for being so enraged and vengeful that a woman didn't reciprocate her feelings. He broke his honor and at the end of the day that's his responsibility, not hers
@Arigost she straight up was a minor. In fact, he's known her since she was a 14 year old so that makes it even weirder. Men just want to be the victim all the time when they CHOOSE to sleep with barely legal teenagers.
@@Vorian_96 incels projecting onto criston due to media illiteracy as per usual
@@KyRogersyou’re looking at the show with the privilege of a 21st western century. This shit takes place in fantasy Middle Ages lmao so the same morals and values society has today aren’t as relevant
@@KyRogers 19 isn't a child, it's a young adult and that's how old Rhaenyra was here. Also, you're so incorrect it's not even funny. Exit your 2024 female bias and privilege for a moment and imagine if a male CEO in 2024 locked his receptionist in a room, kissed her twice, began undressing her and did so while she said 'Stop' and physically reached out to try to prevent him? This is EXACTLY what Cole did but you just throw out delusions like 'Men just want to be the victim all the time'? He got MeToo'd. Also, Rhaenyra didn't reciprocate her feelings? What the hell are you talking about? She was the one who wanted to continue sleeping with him on the side, it was him, the supposed incel nutjob, who put a stop to it because she was happy risking him having his nuts chopped off and being executed for the crime of sleeping with her, something she as a fully grown 19 year old woman pushed for.
I think we are all on the “team green”
They couldn’t expand on Cole in season 1 because of all the time jumps. He is one of my favorite characters. Him, Daemon, Aegon, and Aemond.
100% agreed.
That cheer of thousands was awesome though! It’s like the first time Aegon felt love and appreciated.
It was a really cool scene. Wish it could have just ended their
love your analysis's, you bring out sides of characters i hadn't even thought of
Sir Criston is a tragic character, even tho lots of fans is belittling him and calls h a simp and a pathetic man. The truth is that he had worked his hole life for the role as kingsguard and then was raped by the one that gave him the role in the firstplace. Than he was getting more and more paranoid with a lowering state of sanity thinking that he would be executed any moment so he begs Rhaenyra to flee with him so he can leave and not risk being eather mutilated or killed. She refuses and of course that infuriates him. She raped him belittling his honour and when he practically begs for mercy she asks him to be her hore. In the wedding he was paranoid and on the brink of suecide because wich he tries to do after killing Joffrey. Alicent saved him from that fate and therefore he is loyal to her but still holds a grudge against the women who nearly ruined his entire life. That is the tragidy of Criston Cole, a flawed man who did everything he was supposed to and nearly lost everything in the process.
She was FOURTEEN YEARS OLD. HE was almost THIRTY, and supoosed to *guard* her. HE'S the literal *rapist* NOT HER!
@@widowrumstrypze9705 "Shes 14"💀💀💀. She's 18 in this show and of legal age while being lined up for hundreds to marry her. Everything you just said just fell apart.
She's the rapist if anything putting him in that situation he didn't want to be in. It's ALL Rhaenyras fault. Cole knew she could say whatever she wanted if he perhaps rejected her. He went thru with it because he knew the risks saying no could be way worse. His anger toward her is justified.
@@widowrumstrypze9705brother she is a princess with a dragon she could have him killed if he rejected her there is always that one fear you clearly did not watch the video
@@widowrumstrypze9705 In the show, I believe they were roughly the same age. In the books, there was more of an age difference.
…are you a wizard?
lmaooo but no, seriously, you have a true gift for making people see things in a grayer lighting. i mean, i’m about as black and white as a person can be, yet by the end of this, i *genuinely* understand the motivations behind Cole’s character.
you should be a speaker at the United Nations or something. i bet you could convince the entire world to stop and empathize from different, non bias perspectives lol 💀
Yeah, episode 9 was shit, it was the episode that was the woke episode, and it destroyed so many characters. Or ripped out so many cool scenes. Instead, we got to find the prince, Alicent what you are plotting against Rhaeyra without my knowledge robbing her of agency, and the mass murder Rhaenys and Idoit for not burning the greens to ash.
Alicent offered crispon a way to take the horrible things he'd done and place the blame for him doing them on Rhanyra. Like without her, he wouldn't have done either thing, she's the villain, and bringing her down will clense your white cloak and make up for everything. I think Alicent got that point across to him and that she'd be on his side cause she feels she knows how he kinda feels. They both feel as if Rhanyra is the root cause of all the trouble in their lives and the thirst for revenge against her is the driving factor. More so for Crispon where Alicent just wants to do what she thinks is right. Crispon just turned an innocent man's face into what looked like a partially sliced up roast beef and that was his goal in the moment. He grabbed the dudes mushy face by the chin and turned it side to side to make sure he'd smashed it good enough and then gets up and flees. I'd say he's got a bigger motivation in viewing Rhanyra as evil and needs to "bring her to justice" for being a teenage girl with power(something he forgets about) to make himself feel better about his own giving in to temptation(both for sex and murder). All that being said, Joffree was dumb af and never shoulda acted like he even knew cole.
Still Cole should not have Murdered people in Frustration.
@@johnnymontanez9847 accidentally murdered beesburry & with Joffrey…Joffrey sexually assaulted criston by slapping his ahh & Joffrey Was Being Caviler, Basically Rubbing The Dishonor In His Face & He Also Knew Cristons Secret so criston snapped
“and the thirst for revenge against her is the driving factor.”
INCORRECT
“for being a teenage girl with power(something he forgets about)”
She was a teenager yet she was still grown…. She was 18 in episode 4 & 19 by episode 5… mind you 16 is a adult for a girl in Westeros’s so she been grown
“make himself feel better about his own giving in to temptation”
He got r*ped by midnyra…Criston literally said STOP Which means NO & TRIED to LEAVE‼️
SWITCH the ROLES & the MAN gets ALL of the BLAME💯💯‼️
She RUINED the THING he put his ENTIRE SELF WORTH into Potna…💯💯‼️
If somebody says NO & Then you "seduce" them, Its Not Seduction. It’s Coercion & R*pe!!
Cole didn’t say that, mushroom did after cole injured Harwin inside competition
How is he Dornish? He’s from the Stormlands
He's not from Dorne, the Dornish marches is part of the Stormlands. His book counterpart also doesn't look Dornish they're a minor house to house Dondarion who are from the Stormlands
Hmm. Definitely agree with some of your views on him but also can’t vibe with a few of them. To me-- Criston Cole is very-- Catholic/Christian coded, and in many ways a very hypocritical bitter and prideful man. That’s not to say he’s without his virtues, he has many but ultimately at the end of it all his choices and where they lead him are his own.
Also regarding his beating and murder of Joffrey I DO absolutely believe that he was very much at a breaking point regarding EVERYTHING BUT--- I also like to believe at this time Criston was still very much doing his duty to the royal family including Rhaenyra…. Joffrey KNEW about him and Rhaenyra. He doesn’t know this man beyond him being the paramour of Rhaenyra’s fiancé and that he is AWARE of his and Rhaenyra’s relationship. Wether Cole truly thought Joffrey was trying to taunt or threaten him with this knowledge or truly meant his words regarding camaraderie in their positions as lovers and protectors of their individual partners. It didn’t matter. Joffrey knew the truth and was a potential threat to Rhaenyra. And so Cole silenced him permanently. And admittedly in a far more brutal manner than was actually needed but as you said, at this time, Cole was at a breaking point and some of that most definitely came out in how exactly he chose to handle Joffrey.
But that’s just how I viewed his actions.
I have always hated how the fandom just over simplifies him into just a incel, when in reality he’s so much more complex.
He’s just someone who wants to matter and will desperately cling onto something if that gives him purpose.
When you strip it all away he’s such an empty, depressed and almost suicidal man.
However, I suppose the majority of this fandom lacks reading comprehension.
Criston is not really a Dornishman, he was born in the Stormlands with Westerosi values. He's more of a Stormlander than anything.
Is this your actual voice??
A lot of what you said makes sense, but watching him take out his resentment on innocent kids leaves me with no sympathy for him. Whatever feelings drove him too it, he’s a bully.
While I can understand how his position could lead to such a spiral. It doesn't take away from the fact that he help instigate one of the bloodiest conflicts in Westeros. Criston could've found any other way to deal with his hang-ups but decides to push Aegon to steal the one thing Rhaenyra is meant for. Very clear act of revenge with thoughts for how it might effect the very class of people he came from.
Harwin was defending his Kids. 14:58
Criston Baited & Played Tf out of that goofy ahh Harwin dude & Then Laughed Once Or Twice While Getting Hit & Then Laughed Again After💯
Criston Took A W In That Scene💯
Idc what anyone says I totally believe that Cole clapped Alicent Hightower's cheeks
Nah Alicent is all about honor and would never do that. She saved Cole after he dishonored himself and wouldn't put him in that position again. Its their courtly love and respect for each other that I find so interesting. Alicole allday
lol yeah
I retake everything I said. I didn't expect to see what I saw
He called it
@@Thrawn23. Lmao. Yeah about that... (yeah you saw it already ay)
Nah F this, all your reviews just prove that you're team green.
Team black all the way...