Did the Whisperers appear in Season 3 of TWD (Fan Theory)
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Thank you so much for watching my video on the walking dead fan theory of the whisperers spreading in season 3, it is a cool concept with some interesting ideas however I think it’s basically impossible to have happened due to the time lines not matching up. But if you enjoyed please like and subscribe thank you so much for watching!
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Axel was not the serial killer in the comics. You're mistaking Axel with Tomas Richards. Axel was originally going to adapt Tomases role in the show, probably to surprise comic readers, but this storyline was dropped early in season 3.
Yeah sorry my bad I didn’t explain it very well, but yes axel’s character was going to be based of Tomas’s from the comics apologies
@@theohunttThey changed around the character names and roles in season 3 in really odd ways so its easy to confuse them. Like how the made Dexter into a Latino then gave him Tomases name.
@@jonathanjameson5050thank you for the clarity I’ll pin your comment so other people can read it clearer, Thank you!
@@theohuntt Lizzie isn't based on ANYONE from the Prison at all. Lizzie is based on Ben. Literally ALL of her storyline is Ben's storyline in the comics. Maybe actually read the comics instead of skimming on the internet before covering a topic lol.
@theohuntt
It's not that you "didn't explain it very well" but rather made an incorrect statement.
Everyone makes mistakes dude, but just own up to it. It's not a big deal if you do as such.
Nick in FTWD was the original Whisperer...... he even had a moment where he thought they were talking to him (after eating the dog meat) very similar to Betas scene 'hearing' walkers talk / sing
Yeah he was such a cool character I miss him :(
Yeah he was such a cool character I miss him :(
miss nick too
Morgan could/would write off anything he perceived during his "crazy" time as just him not being all there. But the whisperers not even being conceived yet is pretty huge
I really wanted to see Rick vs the Whispers
Same. I think Rick would had learned from his mistakes with what happened with Negan and he would had definitely taken down Alpha and Beta quickly. Had this happened, Negan would’ve never be let go of the cell and sooner or later Maggie was gonna take Negan out.
Read the comics. The walking bread on youtube will covering them soon
Plus don't forget that 1 episode when Eugene and rosita was walking around somewhere and he threw up you could see that there was a Walker behind a fence looking directly at them that looked like a whisper..
What episodes?
@@grimlim all i remember is that it is the episode before Eugene is captured by The Saviors, i could be wrong
@@grimlim season 8 episode 15
It was the scene you have to look very closely it was the scene when rosita called Eugene a pathetic coward as they walk pasted thr fence you will see someone standing behind it. 25:49 in the episode.
@@grimlim @grimlim season 8 episode 15
It was the scene you have to look very closely it was the scene when rosita called Eugene a pathetic coward as they walk passed the fence you will see someone standing behind it. 25:49 in the episode.
@@grimlim The reason I was able to find It so fast is because I remember It was the episode when Eugene made himself throw up.
honestly, as much as i would love to give the writers credit for that whole "Morgan came into contact with walkers" I highly doubt he did. The man was crazy, and the "dead wearing peoples faces" Is probably him seeing his wife, his son, because remember, his son he never killed him at first, and that essentially sent him into a crazy state where his memories probably merged with his current trauma and he saw people he knew but as zombies
Even though its officially stated as not true (i also think its just a hair too early in the timeline to logically fit) its a fun thing to think about. Morgan CLEARS some walkers, loots the bodies, finds one is in a mask, mind is further broken
In another universe, maybe Beta is actually Nick from fear instead of halfy
Alas we can only dream
I think Lizzie and Morgan did encounter some Whisperers when Alpha and Beta were not yet in charge of the group.
As for Lizzie I think she may had encountered a Whisperer member in the prison. It’s possible that some, if not all members of Whisperers got to the prison and then decided to leave cause Rick and his members where taking out some of the Walkers and they didn’t want to be caught by Rick. And again, it’s completely possible that around this time Lizzie may had encountered some of Whisperers and she thought the Walkers were actually still human and also able to talk. I think that’s what messed up her head and made her do what she did.
All of the stuff with Lizzy happens in season 4, not three
Yes but the stuff with Morgan happens in season 3, hence the title
i love how the whisperers brought back the horror aspect of twd. i might rewatch the whisperer story around halloween time🎃
The idea of the whisperers is terrifying as without prior knowledge people get overconfident and get done like Jesus in a single confrontation
Lizzie was not based off Axel, (Thomas Richards was the serial killer in the comics not Axel), Lizzie and Mika were based off the twin boys Billy and Ben who were part of the group from the beginning. Ben killed animals various times then killed his brother believing that he'd come back since the brain wasn't damaged, almost verbatim Lizzie's lines from the show. Also Beth did not exist in the comics, in her place were twin girls, Rachel and Susie Greene
It makes sense that enemies in future seasons were around in earlier seasons. I mean the saviors were introduced in season 2
I remember that Morgan quote stood out to me the first time I saw a whisperer was human
I have issues with the whisperers and their camouflage methods. In Season One, we watch Rick and Glen hang walker intestines around their necks, smear walker guts and blood all over multiple layers of clothes with walker body parts tied to them in an attempt to mask their alive scent so they could get from the store to the box truck only a few blocks away. The walkers were on them the entire time but docile yes, and the second it started raining just a little, the walkers were totally zoned in on Rick and Glen. No way making and wearing a walker mask hat from a walker's skin would hide you in a herd of walkers for hours.
And another thing...
Also in Season One at the department store in Atlanta, there was a walker holding a rock or busted section of curbing with both hands above his head and pounding it against the glass doors of the store...
Walkers don't use tools.
You cant compare the walkers from season 1 with the rest bcs they changed their writer and the direction of the show since season 2. But yeah, season 1 walkers were so cool and interesting.
Season 1/2 walker behaviour was retconned
Robert Kirkman was still in the process of deciding on what the walkers behavior should be during the first season
It’s canon that the whisperers been watching from the start
Axel wasn't a killer in the comic. It was Thomas and it wasn't Beth it was the twins Susie and Rachel Greene. Plus im pretty sure Lizzie and Mika were based off Billy and ben from the comic were ben kills ben for the same reason as lizzie kills mika before Carl kills him for the safety of everyone else.
Thank you these corrections where made in the pinned comment
Im curruntly at the prisoner arc right now and is axel the big long haird dude
morgan was talking about rick, he hadnt seen rick in so long nore did he ever hear from him again even tho rick said he would contact him daily on the radio so obviously he assumed rick to be dead, he then started to have a brake down after the death of his son witch effected his mental state badly, he then sees rick, going so long believing rick to be dead and his mental state being shot to bits instead of thinking normally of the situation his mind lead him to think that it wasnt rick and that it must have been some one wearing ricks dead face to fk with him, he says "people wearing dead peoples faces" and the immediately after says "i dont know you"
this was him essentially him showing that he recognised ricks face yet as he believed rick to be dead it carnt have been rick thus some sick person wearing ricks face (people wearing dead peoples faces - the person standing in front of him wearing ricks face) and again he says i dont know you because well yea he dosnt know whos under the mask and is tying to make it clear to this person whos in his mind trying to mess with him by wearing ricks dead face that he dosnt know who he is or why his there as well yea this person obviously knows morgan and went as far as to take ricks face to mess with him even after all of these years
morgan genuinely believed that this was someone wearing ricks face that is what he was talking about and why it was never mentioned ever again because well yea he realised it was rick and there was no significant reason to bring that conversation up ever again as it was just a misunderstanding due to him believing rick was dead and his mental state being all over the place at that time
as for lizzy well yea she was genuinly tapped in the head, she didnt understand what was going on and was going insane she very likly alredy had mental health issuses before the whole apocalypse happend witch worsend over time as they typaclly tend to do without the right medication + with the way the world had gone those things would have just made her mental state far worse for her, her mental state legit pushed her in to insanity, the voices she heard, not being scared of the monsters trying to kill her, finding it hard to fit in with the rest of the kids, killing her own sister and wanting to end the baby without showing any real emotions until after she is confronted about it suggest she may have had something like Schizophrenia along with other mental health issues witch again without medication/ proper support + just in general how fked the world had gone would have only often worse over time hence why she started out as a some what normal child and then started acting weird out of no where feeding rats to the walkers, trying to befriend them, claiming they talk to her and then killing her own sister and attempting to kill the baby to save them, her metal state detreated over time causing her to go insane due to Schizophrenia, the group verly likly just didnt pick up onher metal health issuses as well yea its hard to identify them in young people and when young people do something out of the ordinary we just chalk it up to them being young like when she gets cought feeding rats to the walkers or trying to befriend them no one really questions wtf shes doing sure they confront her about it and she gets emotianal but no one thinks to keep eyes on her they just tell her no dont do that that bad lizzywizzy now go play in the mud, no one ever questioned her mental state as again it was just being chalked up to her being a child and not understanding what was going on, over time it got worse and again no one payed any attention untill it was to late
Morgan was talking to Rick. Morgan thought that Rick was dead because Rick never answered Morgan call on the radio so Morgan thinking Rick dead saying I see somebody wearing Rick’s face. That’s all that it is. No secret meaning
Quick answer, NO. Now could people have been using this technique in Georgia. Yes. But was it the whispers we know?? No. They were strictly located in Washington. There was a scene where a couple of the people of the whispers was talking about relocating but we never heard much of that afterwards, and to our imagination we just had to imagine why they never said anything else or talked about it anymore
A quick and easy NO!
In regards to the theory about Morgan meeting the Whisperers, the episode Clear predates the Whisperers appearing in the comics. The writer of the episode (Gimple) has explained that it was just a fluke mention.
We are resently work g on ways to extend life for space flight. Even live DNA from 40,000 years could be sent into save. Imagine if properly preserved. Thats 40,000 light years away ir a range of human AI performed placement of DNA into frozen eggs.
I dont really like the theory, while I love the entire concept and execution of The Whisperers, the idea that they came in to contact with Lizzie and thats what made her the way she was takes a lot away from the actual tradegy of her story, the childhood innocence and not really understanding what happened to the world, it's pretty believable that a child could be messed up like that, a Whisperer coming into contact with her causing it takes away the impact of it all. Morgan was already going crazy which is why I haven't mentioned him yet, but the line in question falls perfectly inline with why he wasn't just killing walkers, but people too.
if this is true it is not the whisperers led by Alpha and Beta it is the original whisperers because if it was alpha they both would've been killed
Nah alpha wasn't a "kill for no reason" type. She was fond of espionage and deep planning. That being said its not true at all.
I think Lizzie and Morgan did encounter some of the original members of the Whisperers. With how Morgan was out of his mind I think Morgan had attacked some of the Whisperers in fear they were actually Walkers. As for Lizzie with everything she lost and encountering some Whisperers, that may had damage her mind and cause her to hurt her sister.
Who's to say Morgan didn't come into contact with the whisperers when the were lead by the original leader?
So, let's clear up the massive amount of misinformation in this video:
Lizze isn't based on Axel/Thomas or ANY of the Prisoners at all.
Lizzie is based on BEN. Ben kills their brother for the same reasons/implications Lizzy killed their sister, and thinks walkers are people too.
In the comics, the group doesn't know how to deal with Ben, so at night, a VERY YOUNG Carl (about 8 years old) kills him whilst everyone is asleep.
There is absolutely ZERO elements of comic Axel or any Prisoner's storylines in Lizzie's storyline. ALL of her storyline happens nearly 1:1 as it does in the show in issues 60 and 61, right down to killing animals.
Pls read the pinned comment, this has been cleared up days ago and it’s literally the first thing you see when you go to type a comment so I’m not sure how you’ve missed it :)
@@theohuntt No bud, the pinned tweet is telling you that you mistook Axel and Thomas. I'm correcting you on implying that her actions could be considered proof that she encountered whisperers. My point is, it happening 1:1 in the comics completely tears apart the whole whisperers theory here.
Like I said in my other reply, read the comics before covering them and you won't be corrected by those who have. It's very clear that you skimmed with wiki for your fact check.
@@_AGONY okay Two things if you watched the video you would realise I tear apart the theory at the end and if you actually check out my videos you would realise I have read the comics and I just made a simple mistake in this video :)
@@theohuntt you seriously need to learn to take criticism lol. This entire comment section is rightfully calling you out and you are responding like a child almost every time
This is a good theory but it unfortunately doesn’t work because the whisperers weren’t introduced in the comics until 2014 meaning Robert kirkman Didn’t create them until a bit before the season 5 premiere. So Morgan was just crazy and Lizzie was just a Psycho.
The the doylist perspective which is boring you need to adopt a watsonian perspective itll allow yoj view fiction with actual imagination
@@Cosmicshambler huh
@@TripleA09YT theyres two ways to view media doylist and watsonian
That's why it's called a fan theory not evidence
@@Weltshmerz Well a theory would be trying to find evidence to something that isn’t confirmed. If the creator knew that the whisperers wouldn’t even be a thought at the time this would be considered a headcanon not a theory
to bad its been confirmed he wasnt talking about whisperers and that they hadnt even come up with the idea for the whisperers back then
I'm actually a real big fan of the rick, theory I feel like all the people who are Rick's friends in the show are people he knows in real life coming to visit him and while they're visiting there in the apocalypse dream and that the reason catchers die off is because they eventually lose interest or stopped coming to visit that explains why Lori dies because she eventually moves on with Shane leaving Carl to be the only one who ever comes to visit where eventually Carl get to the point where he can't come anymore because he's getting to that age where he's about to go off to college when he dies in the show
Rick finally met back up with Daryl and others in one of the spinoffs
@@riverdayton3292 I was talking more in particular about the comics as I've not seen the entire show
this theory has been shot down multiple times by the creator of TWD. search up Matpat with the creators name ( i forgor) and they talk about it being fake
But how does that tie in to everything that happened after season 9? Also you're not telling me people like the wolves or those random saviours he killed visited him.
The whisperers hadnt even appeared in the comics when season 3 was released
If I ever hear another whisper, the slogan of the whisperers, or see Alpha or Beta, I swear I will puke. How I survived this season, I have no idea.
You're totally crossed on comics. Axel wasn't the killer, Thomas was. And Mika and Lizzie were based on Ben and Billy ... a set of twin boys who were too young to understand and 1 brother killed the other
If you view the pinned comment you can see the corrections as I didn’t explain it well in the video
What about alpha repeating to carol exactly what lizzy said to carol before being killed
The walkers hadn't even been introduced in the comments yet during season 3 and 4, so no.
interesting theories!!!!!
It really is I wonder how many more are out there
@@theohuntt and Nick could be and amazing whisperer, what a terrible mistake to kill him off
@@diegopablotenorio7486so true!
Good thought 😮😮
This is so stupid, Lizzie is schizophrenic, we literally see her having auditory hallucinations of walkers conversating with her and Morgan said “people wearing dead people’s faces” because that whole arc was about how he stays away from people because they all die and he’s left to survive by himself, he’s saying all the people he could care about are already dead and it’s just a matter of time before he’s alone again
you mean season 4 because lizzies death and such takes place in season 4. also there's a lot that you need to factor into before even thinking of if the whisperers where a thing then or not
As stated in the video the Morgan situation is season 3 hence the title, and also if you watched the video I dismiss the theory and say my own opinions on the matter. :)
Lizzy and mika are based off of Billy and Ben literally the exact same people
Dude you should have done more research into your video, lizzy is actually based off of Ben from the comics.
Very Observant!
The group used the same technique of fooling Walker noses back in season 1 with guts and blood. Then Morgan clearly says it. "Wearing" dead peoples faces. Id imagie hearing them talking by himself would disturb sanity. Then Liz seems to have encoutered them S well.
Assumption:
that there is more backstory to those statements by show characters.
That the technique of " scent " was in fairly common use. Pile of dead bodies in front of an entrance might foolthem away from a house are yard.
( What and where is the area of the brain that has the sense of smell? So that part not dead. Then i recall trying to eat wild onions and chitlings at a festival. A steamibg pile on my plate. Id raise the fork not breathibgvand the vape of hot pig feces up my nose. Nope. Just Frankfurters. So you dont have to breath to smell.
My guess is that whispers might also have joined the main group from the South. Or that many of the hordes were driven by survivors. Destroy the farm then return to loot. Never went back. Howillogical is that? Housefull of food, fuel, water, and survival packs left behind. Plus medical tools for Hersal.
Remember zombie throwing his football forearm into the fence? Was that muscle memory, logic, memory, whisperer, or a variant?
( Cold water drownings. Peope can drown and be brain dead in warm water in two minutes. In cold water or under ice they have been revived for up to 10 minutes. The prison- the dead tossed in a cooler room. ( You dont want to open that. Varients ) Logically encountered more in the north where IQs ate higher.
So now I believe Morgan met whisperers as did Liz and even others. Even Hershel was not entirely sure. Pickled.
Morgan also tells Rick he's wearing a dead man's face so he's not exactly the best judge of what is and isn't a Whisperer and neither was Liz.
7 minutes of my life I'm never getting back for a 'No' lmao
It’s literally a fan theory breakdown video? No one forced you to watch it hahaha
Nope, they didnt.
Season 4 not 3
The Morgan stuff happens in season 3
Lame.😂