How Carl Grimes Death KILLED TWO Shows!
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I will never forgive them for killing him it was so stupid and done purely for shock value i stopped watching when he died
I know the death felt so out of the blue and unnecessary :(
Yea i had stoped watchin and was thinking of coming back and then this happened.
@thurmanstevenson5692 I came back years later to finish the show but it wasn't the same without him I also feel horrible for the actor he spent his whole life on that show and they fucked him over like that just to avoid paying him more
I actually lost interest when they killed Noah off.
@@magoo9279 i know what you mean i was close to losing it then
the fact that he died the lamest way possible too is just salt in the wound
They also refused to pay him an adult salary when he turned 18.
@@fearfulclan2007 ye i heard that too
I did like tragic irony in him getting bitten by just trying to help out another survivor, but yeah…
Carl was not my fave character.... but i left the show after his death.... I really believe that Carl's death was an irreparable blow to the Walking Dead show. Why? Because the story of The Walking Dead is character-oriented and not event-oriented, characters are more important than events in this show. Events make sense with characters. The story of this series started with the story of a man waking up from a coma and looking for his family. The most important person to Rick throughout the story is Carl, and he is the most important member of Rick's family. All Rick is trying to do is build a world for his family's future. The family is getting bigger, but Carl is still the most important place for Rick and is his motivation for life.
By killing Carl, Rick and his life expectancy were killed and nothing, not even Judith and Michonne, could compensate for this defect.
Carl was the only child that existed from the first season and grew up bit by bit in the zombie world. No other child had and could not have such a feature. So Carl could be a unique character who gets more interesting as he gets older. But by killing him, a great opportunity was practically destroyed.
No kid on The Walking Dead could get us involved like Carl. We saw Carl's pains and his experiences and grew with him, but as for the other child characters who entered the story later, they were not at all like Kar and could not replace him...
Carl shouldn't have died... he was Rick's future and an important element in his life... when Carl died, it was as if Rick died too...
That was a beautiful read and a very well articulated comment I totally agree
Obviously Judith was the main character instead of Carl for the TV show
Scott Gimple just ruins everything that he’s in charge of. It’s just that simple.
For some unknown reason AMC decided to give him a promotion after he made the decision to kill Carl...It'll never make sense to me
It was Oviously The Coked Suits desesion however Gimple Cleary didn't push back and used it as a personal opportunity with is exactly what you don't want in a showrunner.
He’s the best thing that happened to TWD and I’m tired of pretending it isn’t. He made the best episodes of the whole show. Both personally and literally the highest rated episodes on IMDB.
@@BoogSReviews by using comic element's/scenes to the point of literally word for word, worst episodes when it's Gimples Original writing, trash people, hospital filler, S7B, world beyond, crm.
Just like him you used someone else's line and rewrote into something else.
Simple gimple
Carl was labeled and viewed as the future of TWD and when they killed him off, it really hurt the show badly. Now it’s down to Judith to be the future of TWD. Really dumb to kill off one character that can carry the show onwards.
Exactly tbf Judiths actor is very good so the franchise is in good hands fingers crossed the don’t ruin her character
I'm of the opinion that Judith should have had her comic death with Lori. Messed up yes, but it would have made Rick such a more compelling character.
@@allaninaet2835I just think it would have been too graphic to kill a new born baby that way on TV because they toned down the Governor from the comics
@@allaninaet2835the show runner kept leaving in bits and pieces and places where they could kill Judith and say “I’d be weird to bring her back now” but the executives wouldn’t let them
Wait the walking dead is still going? Only the first season was something special and I was in high school when it came out
The worst decision in the whole of the franchise. Carl was the core to the TV show and was so important in rhe original comic his perspective being critical to the epilogue. The shock value kill off was such a drastically stupid move.
Although Gimple deserves a lot of blame, the truth is that AMC is as much to blame. Hell they were the ones who got rid of frank darabont, the guy who straight up got the show rolling to begin with because Frank didn’t want to financially cheap out on the show in S2.
I wasnt a big fan of carl in the early seasons and oddly enough when they killed him off i was starting to like his character growth. But like him or not, he was the heart of the show and ricks driving force. Killing him off was a HUGE mistake for the show.
From what I've read, the main reason for Frank Dillane not wanting to continue on FTWD was that he'd just become a father and didn't want to leave his girlfriend alone with their child back in England for several months, while he was off shooting the series in the US. Maybe Gimpel coming over was another reason for it, but I'd say that it's understandable, if him choosing to put his family first was the real reason.
It was clearly Gimple rebrand from family drama to dumbed down z nation.
That’s an interesting perspective
The decision to kill Carl was so dumb, I just KNEW they were going to make him immune. It was the only decision that made sense after having him get bit. Once he died, I gave up on the show and didnt come back until Rick's last episode. Then left again 😂
I dont even like Rick... But felt that was the last straw too.
RIP TWD
Forget two shows it killed the whole franchise
Carl and nick both should survived their deaths were stupid
Agreed!!!
I used to have a crush on nick-
Lets be fr carl was definitely one of the best. He was like his dad but also like glenn where he wouldn't just massacre people for supplies but would use diplomacy just to avoid conflict. Then again whenever they all get captured, carl is usually the one who starts blasting first
Rick Grymes was almost irreplaceable as a protagonist. The only one, who could've taken over after writing Rick off would've been Carl, as he's Rick's legacy and got some mayor character development since the very beginning when he was still a young child.
Daryl and Carol are great side characters, but they fail horribly as protagonists, and so does most of the remaining cast.
I wouldve loved to see a world where Nick didnt die and was running a group in fear, and Carl with the Alexandrians and all run into each other at the end maybe against the commonwealth?
Thats such a cool concept!
I heard long ago that it was rumored for fear and walking dead to merge together and every group and characters to meet up again. Including a reunion of Morgan and Rick. But it never happened. :/
I’ll never forgive Scott for what he did to TWD :(
Great video! Keep it up!
Thank you very much I can’t believe how he ruined twd universe :/
Scott gave us peak TWD. Seasons 3-7 are classic wth are you guys going on about. Chandler Riggs was a cringy actor and Judith is a way better replacement
@@plaguedoctor5657 That's mainly because Robert Kirkman was there through a lot of it until they fucked him over and he sued them too. AMC did a lot of dirty shit to the people that brought it to them. They pretty much straight up stole the show
It still stings that season 3 of fear is where the show really found its footing. It may have been mixed to people in the beginning but it really had something special to it. The acting and the intensity of scenes between certain characters and their dark descents was awesome.
To know it basically was cancelled and transformed into a literal zombie itself, is what hurts.
It is so hard to find a show that does not ruin it later down the road. It was sad because The Walking Dead was an excellent show for the time.
I feel like if they wanted to keep Negan alive so much they should of had Morgan stay in his “all life is precious” faze (even tho Morgan going savage in all out war was one of the best parts of season 8) then have Morgan get bit (but not in a dumb way like Carl) or slowly dying then he asks Rick in his dying words to keep Negan alive and put him in the cell he built because “all life is precious.” It would make Morgan’s death meaningful. It would be better than what they did with adding Morgan to Fear which didn’t really work well. Rick would listen to Morgan’s advice and the cycle of helping and keeping others alive and it would be proven to be true because how useful Negan was in Seasons 9-11 like saving Judith and helping them beat the whisperer war.
Scott M Gimble was the worst thing to happen to not just The Walking Dead but also AMC
Still haven’t finished the show because of his death, plus Rick left the show also. I still don’t plan to go back to finish it thank goddess the comics exist.
I wasn't a fan of Carl's and even I didn't like the decision to kill him. Very, very stupid decision.
I think they could’ve keep Carl if Morgan wasn’t gonna be planned in fear. In the comics Morgan dies which causes Rick to spare Negan.
Morgan like Carol was been completely changed into a Gimple mouth piece so they will Never die.
morgan died before the saviors in the comic when alexandria was overrun with walkers
he was killd off because he turned 18 and they'd have to pay him more money
Amc = Cheap Cheap and more Cheap
I thought they fired him because he was going to college on the side?
@@MASTEROFEVIL he bought a house near set to do both after agreeing to 3 more years, qyiting for school was a lie Amc's pr team was spreading to make themselves not look like total dicks
I don't know why they didn't just follow the graphic novel from start to finish. Carl & Negan both live. Rick dies but becomes a martyr and his memory a source for hope that things can not only go back to normal but be even better than before the apocalypse.
It was extremely stupid as Rick and Carl where the main two, and Ricks main goal was to survive so he could keep Coral surviving, that was the main point of the show.
Letting Negan live was the dumbest, most senseless and out-of-place plot twist I've ever seen in a TV show. Yes, I'm aware he lives in the comic series, no, I don't care. The way the show was framed & the way the plot points were adding up, Negan should have been the one to die, PERIOD. I don't know how or why the writers suddenly decided to turn Rick and company from a cadre of tough and gritty survivors to a bunch of simpering, ball-less pacifists, but it was a stupid decision and they should be ashamed of themselves.
It's not like they cared about comic continuity since they killed off Carl in the show and he didn't die in the comics
Did you pay attention at all? If they killed Negan all the other saviors wouldn’t stand down. Making Negan a martyr for savior moral support smh
Cuz Jeffery dean Morgan is an amazing actor. If someone else played negan it would have been a lot easier to off him haha
@@plaguedoctor5657 Did you pay attention at all? His people weren’t that loyal to him, there was an internal power struggle between the leaders, he basically had slaves running most of the safe houses. Most of his people were just doing what they had to in order to survive, as soon as Negan died they would’ve kept doing what they had to to survive. Sure there would be rouge groups who carried on his ideals, but that happens in the show anyways. Nothing major would’ve changed if he died outside of his redemption.
so many things would not have happened if he died, the reason he lived was cause carl said it would be best, judith would have never been saved in the winter, alpha would prob have never been killed off the way she was
killed him off to avoid paying chandler a fair adults wage
Man that was some good editing
Thank you so much!
I was literally in the middle of binging the show for the first time and having a blast when the carl grimes death controversy happened and it oretty much killed my entire drive to continue where i was at in season 4. Never watched it again and never looked back or regretted it
Scott being responsible for Carl and Nick's deaths are absolutely insane
It would be great to see Carl fighting the whisperers and then going to Philadelphia to search for his father along with michone
When I saw that Carl had been bit, I was furious. I started thinking to myself "he's immune, he's immune, I don't know how they'll make it work but he's immune". And then he wasn't immune, they just killed the one character that should never die under no circumstances. Scott Gimple is a downright horrible person for this atrocity. I will never forgive him for this and the fact that they promoted him for it makes everything so much worse. I will never watch TWD past that point ever again.
Imagine if Carl died when he got shot in the eye by Ron, much better death than what he got
Season 7 and 8 of fear is some of the worst seasons of tv EVER
They tried so hard to make his death sound like this greater message but it fell flat. All it did was piss people off that a badass character died in the dumbest way possible
W take! 👍 keep it up
They wrote off maggie TWICE, Rick, and Michonne looking for Rick, but they thought they NEEDED to kill carl for impact
Carl should at least have gotten him some Enid before he died....
Hahahahah 😭😭😭
Carl not getting himself some Enid makes his death even worse lol 😭
Bruh
I really wish they kept Carl alive & had him look over Judith but as Judith grows she loses someone she loves & shows signs of Shane behaviour (Stay with me here)
And her & Carl basically have some sibling rivalry & fight on some occasions but in a parallel scene of Rick & Shane in the farm field they come together as a family rather than fighting eachother
If they did this with Carl & Judith as characters I think it would be a really interesting arc that shows Carl has the power to bringing people together
And it would also show that family is more than just blood
I would also love to see Negan help Judith get out of that behavior too
World Beyond is a kill count number 3 too.
We could've how gotten older Carl.
them killing carl is like if twdg killed off clementine
I wish chandler was in more stuff he's become like nostalgic to me back when TWD was at its peak
"you are going to beat this world, you are smart, you are strong and you are so brave"
-i quit
XDDDDD
CORLE! !
We can OLIVE together 🗣️
He only died because Rick wasn't there for him Lori only God because Rick wasn't there for her. Shane was right
They gave Carl Andrea's death from the comic for the guy punch.
They could've just had him do what they did with Morgan and have him live on his own - maybe he ran away with Enid or something and they lived together off screen for years only to eventually come back at a later time.
well, can't say i agree with everything in this video, but the episode they revealed he was bitten was the last episode that i watched.
But why???? Why stop watching a show for one character… who wasn’t even important for the show!!!! He didn’t do anything of importance…. Judith on the other hand replaced comic Carl. Why stop watching a good show for a bad actor I don’t get it
@plaguedoctor5657 if you ever read the comics then you'd know he's probably the most important character.... spoiler, the last issue was all about him. at its core TWD was a father and son story
@@plaguedoctor5657 so on the Harry Potter reboot if they randomly kill Harry in Golbet of Fire I should keep watching just cause? Fuck that
@@Jon7763I read the comics for years before the show and hated Carl. I wish he would’ve been piked in issue 144. Carl was not a good character in the show or comics. He was constantly annoying and jeopardizing the group. The whole pike situation in the comics is a result of his idiocy when crossing into the whisperers lands. If he wouldn’t have done that, I genuinely believe they would’ve left the groups alone.
can you please do Chris of fear the walking dead
I was able to forgive them for Glenn, but not Carl. They killed the shows future with that one death. Tragic.
Wow, I didn't realize this was the universal opinion of the viewers. I stopped watching after Carl died, but I had no idea everyone else did, too 😅
I love how you say the quiet parts out loud that the true fans have been saying for YEARS!! Keep up the peak content I love it
Thank you so much for you continued support it means the world!
I need more nick videos ASAP
@@JesusLopez-cg2gq hahaha, I’ll keep them coming I’m going to start doing some travel vlogs as well is this something you’d be interested in?
Y'all got it wrong. it's not Carl, it's Coral!
Cœrl
I’m stopped watching at the end of season 8 too, after Carl died and hearing Rick was leaving too just killed any interest in it for me
damn I miss the old FTWD (S1-3)
I didn't even like that Rick decided not to kill Negan at end of the arc. That was like Last of Us 2 tier frustrating ending, lol. To sacrifice Carl for him is just bad.
Also I can't stand Morgan, he's one of the worst chars in the series IMO. At that point only reason I watched Fear was for Strand but then they made him a villain for no reason 🙄
Not only did they kill one of the best characters. The only logical reason they could find was that it was for Ricks further development. But he stagnated and a Season later he left the show too. And what did we get in return. Carl saved Siddiq who brought absolutely zero value to the show and just died some time later.
What's the OST in the intro
There was a big thing about Chandlers' dad wanting more, or else. Riggs dad was also his manager and there was some unreasonable demands in the contract negotiations. He learned that Carl would be more of the future of the show's storyline and went crazy
That is not true. His dad aired them out on TV because they let his son commit to university of Georgie when he could have went anywhere, and bought a house there where they filmed. Then decided a week after that they were going to kill him off anyways even tho he wasn't supposed to die. Scott gimple Royally fucked up a lot of the characters. Tyrese and Andrea are the biggest examples. Shit he got canned to FTWD after the thing with Chandler and two actors requested to be killed lol
Not Ture, by default he gets a raise at 18 plus royalties for being involved for so long as a child
The plot of the source material is carls coming of age story when they killed carl they completely lost me.
Killing Carl caused that stupid ass time jump that made no sense.
That was the real downfall of the show. A nonsensical time jump and adding a bunch of characters that no one cared about, so they could have a shock death or save money. Angela Kang was a bad showrunner, making Gimple's decisions even worse
Then Gimple made Fear a Morgan, spinoff.
Ruined both the main show and Fear. The main show should have just stopped at Season 8 with a definitive ending there and Fear at Season 7 with Dave Erickson. This way, the franchise would have been much better and I’d be even more fanboyish than for what the franchise is now, a poor attempt at being a Marvel-style one.
You’ve summed it up perfectly, it’s such a shame what Scott Gimple did to this franchise :/
Except Dave Erickson only did 1-3 on Fear and they replaced him with 2 Twit writers who butchered everything. If they kept Dave Erisksons vision we would have seen villains
@@plaguedoctor5657 and an even more organic storyline. Sure Season 1 had flaws, so did Season 2A, but there was improvement in Season 2B and MASSIVE improvements in Season 3 and not only because of Erickson but also his writers. The writers did just as much of a fantastic job as Erickson did. When you watch Season 3, it shows the writers were invested in Erickson’s story and would have absolutely aced Season 4. Scott Gimple just had to sacrifice Fear’s story just to accommodate the character of Morgan who lets be honest, was an average character.
Did Scott even read the comics to say such a dumb reasoning
The funny thing is that Carl and Nick were my least favorite characters from the two shows. In fact, I gave up on FtWD after only 1 season because of the Nick character. I quit watching the original show at the end of the season where Rick left. I recently went back and powered throw the whole series, and now I want to collect all of the comic books so that I can see how the story was supposed to go. I would like to binge-watch FtWD now, but it's only available on a service I would have to pay for. I'm already paying for too many streaming services. We really need to go back to the time when Netflix was the only streaming service, before everyone decided that streaming was a good way to pad their own revenues.
Gimple made many mistakes running this show but this was the major mistake! I believe he disrespected the fan base. It killed the direction/future of the franchise! Carl took over for Rick so why would a major character like that be eliminated for a villain? Stupid mistake!
We could’ve have a show called “Carl the Brave”
I watched TWD from start to finish multiple times, but I always loose interest after season 8.
Bait and Switch. Since we bought into the show the betrayal was never accepted. And bitten on the belly by Enid? Poisonous fangs.
Scoot Gimple is a whole other layer of stupid if he thought they had to kill Carl to keep Negan around, just read the source material you're basing the show off and you can see you can Easily do both. AMC hate making money as much as they hate making good TV.
Imagine they Neva killed off Carl and he got a spin off
Just absolutely wasted potential. Imagine Rick meeting up with Carl instead of RJ (the character he didn't even know existed till days before they met) at the end of his spin off. He could've been good in the spin off. Also maybe Enid's death would've been more impactful. There's just so many problems with killing Carl off no matter what you think of his acting...
You just can't kill off Carl and think Rick will just move on, he doesn't have the same family drive anymore, everything was for Carl.
Lastly the logic some people say of "He needed to die to have Negan live" hell no! Negan lives in the comics and Carl doesn't die there!? That's no logic. He didn't keep Negan alive because Carl died to a random walker saving someone who dies later on anyway making his death even more pointless. He let Negan live because death was too good for him, he needed to suffer.
Stopped watching the show around season nine I think. What annoyed me with the show is that they killed off basically every character you love and add characters you could not care less of, starting with the new random characters at the end of the episode of Andrew Lincoln's exit, Daryl and Carol were still there, but among dozens of character I couldn't care to remember their names and whose supposed dramatic deaths meant nothing to me compared to deaths of Rick Grimes' crew.
Also, killing Carl by getting him bit from the most random walker was just lazy writing and middle finger towards fans only for bringing another character Siddiq to the crew who I couldn't care less about.
rick was supposed to die while carl lives peacefully into late adulthood
Well one if carl was a life perfect show two when he would become the main character he would have earn it since we basically were rick watching to be a kid to almost adults and three has a fan favorite
Honestly i didn't mind Carl dying to much he was an awesome character but the way they decided to do it was terrible same thing goes with nick from FTWD he was my favourite character in FTWD and i would be sad but i wouldn't of minded his sacrifice at the dam to be his death after helping his family escape but no they decided to keep him alive for the next seasons like what first episode only to ruin his character by needlessly killing that dude and getting shot by a little girl they rescued.
It was such a dumb decision both writing and business. because now they are clearly trying to turn TWD into a cinematic universe and before Rick was the face of TWD but he can’t play the same role forever. Having Carl be the new face of the show. A character I and many others grew up with would have kept so many people watching and created plenty of new stories and character arcs. Rick he can’t keep going through character development anymore it’s feeling repetitive.
Honestly if they decided to just pretend Carl never died and they do a time skip after the Negan fight I’d be down.
Honest question, I stopped watching season 6. Did I make a mistake? Cuz the intro of a character literally named Jesus and the general vibes of meleeing zombies like a video game broke my interest
Yeah but Gimple killed like 5😂
I’m confused, I thought everyone hated Carl? I distinctly remember him being annoying being apart of the zeitgeist at the time
we never know how much we like something till it’s gone
I forgot he got bit tbh that’s how long it’s been since I stopped watching
Sorry but Carol was so bad in his teens his choices caused so many issue what killed the show is the let Rick outlive his son. At this point in the show Rick is bassicly the terminator no matter what happens to Rick he keep comming back and surviving all odds like a damn Cockroach.nor rather have caral alive now the Rick .Rick by all mean should have died countless times over and yet the plot armor on Rick is so godly he keep getting back up no matter what happens. They either need to kill off the human Cockroach known as Rick or end the show
They don't care how much we complain so long as they make more spin offs the slop-piggies slurp up it's fine to them.
The dozen people that I know that used to come together every Sunday all stop watching after Glenn died.
So carls death was irrelevant.
Just imagine Jeffrey Dean Morgan actually played the role of Morgan Jones
He wanted out of the whole industry, its not so surprising.
So I want to ask the question: Why is rick grime the protagonist of the walking dead comic. Of all the people we could be following? Why not Eziekiel, or Morgan or Tyrese. The anwsewr is way simpler then you might think. He is the only character we see to raise his child in full on apocalypse conditions. We see other childern live to adulthood, but either becuase they are protected from the apocolypse by walls, or by Rick. He was what a father needed to be in the wasteland
So turning to the TV universe lets ask the same question, Why is rick the protagonist? Is it becuase he is the last man standing? No that would be Carol. Is it because he has what it takes to raise a child in the wasteland? No that would Jerry. He is the main character for 8 seasons of television becuase he was the guy in charge of the group that would get carol, daryl and maggie to Alexandria. But that's a really bad reason and contradicts directly with the reason he was the main character for 7 of those season. Where he was the father who could get his son through the apocalypse.
Killing Carl is such a fundamentally bad move, becuase Carl isn't just the protagonists motivation, he is also what sets Rick apart from characters like Carol, Morgan, Abraham, Michonne, The Governer, and if you want to get a little wider then just biological kids, Tara and Gabriel also both had kids under their care die. With out this, he is just another parent mourning the loss of his child.
To add even more stupidity to the fire, all of the narrative weight put on Carl isn't just to make Ricks story better. It was so that when Rick does die you already have a protagonist with depth, and enough narrative weight to carry to the story. And looking at this comment section i feel like even when people don't actively analyze it this deeply, this still implicitly understand how Carl death doesn't vibe with the core themes the show was presenting
the could’ve had negans men accidentally hurt carl or judith that makes rick think that negan should be alive as, “evidence” as he puts it. or go on another route that makes rick clear his head and realize. keeping carl around would’ve been so much better for judith, even if they decided to keep RJ. again with introducing new characters, we don’t really get attached to RJ, at least like how we do with carl and judith so it feels like another rushed plot point. F U SCOTT GIMPLE
all so they could make spin offs
So they can kill off Carl even though in the comics he’s still alive. So really they could’ve just changed the whole story to save humanity but would rather give the world to the dead
riggs wasnt a good enough actor to carry the show on his own. but they should have kept carl alive and recast him after the time skip imo.
Yes, I understand that this show is all about “any character can die” but cmon carls death is so dumb and sooooo unnecessary, it didn’t shock me or make me go oh my god it made me go…why?
😢😢😢😢 I loved h8m
Such a dumb idea.
4:48 you're welcome
That's when I stopped watching. I've since gone back and seen it, but that was because I wanted to watch the earlier seasons and kept going.
The show became so woke too. Just like everything else.
That is so dumb why that what shot Ricks Sun just because they were not paying him will
Carl is NOT the one who lives
The kill carl with a stupid bite that was wrong should have went down a hero as for Rick he was injured as he was bleeding out he has visions of all but carl why they leave Chandler Riggs out of Rick vision that was his son show was bout farther son they let him be in back cast but be one rick had a vision of belive that screw Chandler Riggs big time
I thought fear twd was terrible. Didn't like any of the characters and didn't care what happened to them