I feel like when Kang was wondering who scott was he didn't realize it was ant man but as soon as he sees Hank, Kang looks as if he knows exactly who Hank is
He knew exactly who Scott was. He was just patronizing him and playing on his insecurities about being a lesser known Avenger, which is a major theme throughout the movie. He even refers to him as Antman near the end of that scene without being told lol
Like most Marvel and DC Films, It was fun. People take the movies way too seriously. Just watch the movie and have a good time! Not everything has to be Dark Knight or Winter Soldier.
Absolutely, The audience forgets why we even go to movies in the first place. To escape and enjoy they don’t always have to be the political thrillers as long as the good movie with a good story, cast, etc. then I have no problem with it.
In response to the box office, the domestic take for Antman3Q was one whole million less than the domestic for AM&W. I'm sure it was Marvel's fault that China went into the dumps.
“Not everything has to be Dark Knight or Winter Soldier”; Or Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool, or Raimi’s Spider-Man or Blade, or the first Antman movie, or…
Another full circle moment that Quantumania brings to the trilogy is the inclusion of Kang being the main antagonist in the first place. Kang says to Scott that he's "Just a man." then Cassie reiterates in her speech that Kang's "not invincible" that's important because in the first Ant-Man film Hank says, " In the right hands the relationship between man and suit is symbiotic; the suit has the power the man harnesses that power." Both Scott and Kang are just men with suits that have incredible power. But Scott defeats Kang by harnessing the strength of man and not his suit. It's a small detail, but it goes a long way.
i didn't hate on this movie, but i didn't expect this kind of "brilliance" in writing in it. thanks for sharing your observation, i just liked it more now. gotta have to watch the trilogy again soon
I honestly loved this movie. The message to me was it was taking the smallest avenger and proving why he deserves to be an Avenger. Showing how for all of Scott’s life everyone underestimated him or expected him to fail, but here he is taking on an avengers level threat with his family by his side. I loved that message and I walked in without expecting Scott to die at the hands of kang. I don’t think the movie was bad. I think people were glued to their expectations and bashed this movie when their expectations weren’t met.
"I walked in without expecting Scott to die at the hands of kang. I don’t think the movie was bad. I think people were glued to their expectations and bashed this movie when their expectations weren’t met." So much this. I wasn't expecting Scott to die (I don't go in to a solo superhero movie expecting the title character to die, that's just not how the genre works; heroes die in Crisis Crossovers, not solo movies), and I thought it was a great movie. Low bar I'm setting, but it's probably my favorite post-Endgame MCU movie.
everyone hates this version of modok is pretending that the comic version is some serious character with depth. He is portrayed as a joke in comics AND tv…
M.O.D.O.K may not have pathos or anything in the comics, but he is treated like a threat and a leading villain in the comics, not a complete joke with lines like “Look at me, I’m such a dick” he’s the leader of AIM for Gods sake
@@omegaman2846it is the narrow minded sycophants who don’t get the joke of “aim is ran by a big floating head” like all the commentary is lost just bc you’re hyperfixated elsewhere lmao I cannot
@@nailinthefashion sure, AIM is taken seriously by the Avengers as an organization. There may be some occasions where they get the piss taken out of them, but what character doesn’t occasionally get made fun of?
Umm no. Not when he’s presented as killing multiple avengers even Thor. It’s never shown to us is the first mistake. Then he’s defeated in a fist fight with Scott lang. it doesn’t make sense
In the quantum realm, Kang is nowhere near as powerful as he could be. He is restrained by tech issues. The ants were not just bigger, they were evolved and had higher intelligence. This story was to prove that he was a threat, not the Prime Kang or the He who remains (yet/ever). Great movie, but it's bad use of Modok was the only black eye that I had.
Agreed. Just like most of the MCI Phase IV series and films I probably won't revisit soon but I still hold respect for the stories they presented us to build up to the next big event
I love the ants arc in these three movies!!! The first one they're basically slaves, the second, one gets big and becomes part of the family and helps Scott not get caught by Jimmy woo, then in the 3rd one all these interactions and their new head gear their intellect gets higher, then they go through thousands of years of evolution create a civilisation and all work together to help the ant family. It's actually really emosh if you think about it, inspite of the time they've been creating their civilisation as soon as they could went to help save the antfam, they still remembered or had past down the knowledge of their human family that got them there and still had that connection to hank, also they're all huge intelligent armoured and able to lift 100x times their own weight and there's thousands so...kang who in my opinion 🐜
@@HappyBob701what a stupid thing to say. Are you quite alright? 😐 Also just so you're aware, anyone accusing others of not having friends is typically projecting - bet you just have a bunch of people that avoid you yourself. 🤭
I came out of the theatre having really enjoyed this movie and hyped for what was to come from marvel, and then I went on the internet and was confused
same I actually didn't know until I saw a comment on RUclips that a lot of people disliked it? I enjoyed it, almost as much as GotG3 and way way more than Love and Thunder and Multiverse of Madness
The scene of the one building embracing the other as it died in its arms made me shed a tear. Like, there was that good action-comedy into a tradegy gut punch that works well as a combo.
Honestly, I didn't hate it. It was like a 6 or 7 out of 10 for me. Wasn't amazing but I liked the concepts and the character development. It was just a perfect example of how overworked VFX artists and writers were and explains why they struck and why Marvel's VFX department unionized.
One of the reasons I like Quantuamnia so much is because I called Darren Cross becoming MODOK and being the secondary antagonist in the film. I also had to be one of 10 people on Earth that knew Ant-Man wasn't going to die in it. I knew there was no way Marvel was going to kill the MVP of the Infinity Saga in his third film outing, they pulled the same trick with Iron Man's burning broken helmet in the trailers for Iron Man 3.
I just want to know how much time passed before they all got out because at the end of the movie the ant man with the heart and everyone looking at him like he’s a ghost makes me think everyone thought he was dead
I actually really liked this movie when I saw it in theaters. I went into it worried that the heist films, that were some of my favorites in the MCU, would be out of their depth. I was actually surprised that even though the surrounding were other worldly it still felt like an Ant Man film with all the heart and humor that I love. Totally underrated
If it requires this much explanation, they missed the mark Love your explanations. Love the morals and themes. And they just didn’t deliver a quality, understandable movie that has great impact. Execution did not match intentions
Exactly. If you have to try to convince people something they didn't like was actually good, then...it wasn't actually good. I get the need to put up content, but come on. Next thing they are going to say is, "Secret Invasion was actually GREAT!"
Thank you for finally pointing this out, I've been saying for years that the phase 4 films weren't all as bad as people are saying they've just haven't been able to live up to the amount of sheer hype around them. If quantimania had handled Kang the same way Thanos was handled in the the pre infinty war mcu, at least half the criticism would be gone. Hell even if nothing in the film changed, other than people going into the movie having no expectation, the response would have been way better.
They should’ve had kang look stronger in the end fight, and yes I get it the ants were super evolved very fast hence why they beat him. Still doesn’t sit right with me how they just killed him off. He got sucked into the engine core (which should’ve led to a future story down the line) maybe he becomes the beyonder or somehow is able to exit the core which would’ve gave him even more power. The writing was an all time low it really killed the movie in the end imo
@@andrewheath6451 which is valid 100% or if they introduce galactus (after doom or before) They need to build up doom like they did thanos. Throw him in an end credit scene or two before he makes his big screen debut. I’d hate it if he randomly just appears on screen just to barely keep him around.
Here’s my problem with that complaint. Remember when Scott one punched a leviathan in endgame? Kang was tanking hits that put down leviathans. And people forget this is a weak version of Kang who could’ve killed Scott and Cassie when he had them trapped with zero effort. If you want to see a fully powered kang watch the Loki show which was his first introduction
ABSOLUTELY AGREE. KANG should've bodied the ants, taken half of the resistance out, and taken the lives of Jill, Hank, and Janet before beating Scott senseless.
I love Quantumania, alot, seen it a number of times, and in fact Love Mordok, like how goofy he was, and was supposed to be. In fact, I grew to really enjoying it and I agree, is my favourite Antman movie.
I actually really enjoyed this movie. The CGI is iffy in places certainly, but the visuals, the imagination behind them and all the points you make in favor of the film rang true with me as well.
I loved the movie, agree on the kang take and that Darren should have been the main villain, and the idea of giant genius ants is absolutely horrifying and completely believable to me as to why kang was overpowered by them, great video!!
I loved it. I think people dont really get comics, and therefore don't really get comic book movies. Marvel has done a brilliant job making a cinematic representation of what the comics are and have always been. A person isnt going to love every single comic book. Some dont sell and have limited runs, but they are still part of a mosaic. In the cinematic version, we have some movies and shows that don't hit for everyone, and that should be okay.
Kang stood in front of 3 of his biggest opposers at the time for maybe 30 seconds and waited for their ant army to approach him. A minute before his enemies stood in front of him, he was evaporating rebels with his weapons. I suppose he forgot he had those lasers???? Writers forced a loss.
Don't forget that Modok betrayed him and created an opening in the force field that made it easier for the ants. He wasn't beaten by the ants just bombarded by them after beating on Scott Hope came in to save the day. My question is why didn't he just pause time when Janet took the core at the beginning the way he did towards the end after Scott shrunk it down to it's normal size? Plenty of plot holes in this movie to say it was so well written.
I didn't think it was great, but it was pretty good. Now I'd like to hear your praise of Multiverse of Madness. That movie gets too much hate. Watched it twice and I love it.
😂😂😂 This video proves just how easy it is to deconstruct and philosophise about any crappy thing! It's as funny as it is irritating. Do "The Room" next! 😂😂😂
I really liked the movie when I saw it, and was surprised when people started turning against it. I didn't notice anything wrong with the VFX (real life isn't always colorful-- visible light wouldn't be perceptible on a subatomic scale... Neptune isn't really that blue...electron microscope photography shows how weird everything looks on a microscopic level...) I appreciate how you pointed out the thematic unity and hopeful message. It's always welcome in this dumpster fire of a world. No, it's not perfect, but the characters (even MODOK!) were enjoyable, the idea of Kang gets across, and I had a great time. And now, I appreciate it even more. Thank you!
I love how "Eh don't worry about that Kang guy" is literally going to be the solution to the Kang problem after Majors was fired. "It's fine, Loki took care of him."
The "You're so big!" (Said from Scott to Cassie) is a callback to Endgame where Scott sees the older Cassie after the 5 year gap for the first time... that part caught my attention couple nights ago haven't seen anybody mention that one yet.
@@Velhoall i am mute irl so i catch a lot of context that a lot of people miss... but i also miss a lot of stuff that is obvious to others because of tbi... you're welcome and i am glad i am not the only one who found some enjoyment out of it!
@@Velhoall yes it is! Probably why i relate to comics so much more than people... but when i can relate/connect to people the most its usually over comics lol
@@muteninjaturtlethat's amazing!! It's incredible how our bodies compensate if we are lacking in other areas. My older brother is disabled and he never ceases to amaze me. GOD bless you.
Its hated because social media and video sites like youtube have taught people to think that their opinions are worth hearing, and lets be honest, it is way more popular these days to spread negativity...
@arkitekt1623 how did I prove your point thats my opinion that formed. Basically what you're saying is if anyone disagrees with your garbage take they are just proving you right? What are you smoking and where can I get some
One big failing as an Ant-Man film (besides Wasp having nothing to do) is the loss of connectivity to his own other "little guys", his X-Con crew. Yeah, they had MODOK and I'm ok with how they incorporated that. But to really close the trilogy, the X-Cons also needed to be involved. So thus it has 2 bits of being incomplete and unsatisafying. By "killing" Kang (though we know he's not dead), it kinda put a big halt on the Multiverse saga's big-bad before he even started (and this would be true even without Majors' personal matters), and then it fails to totally satisfy as an Ant-Man film because 2 factors of what made the prior films work were removed (X-Con) or reduced (Hope/Wasp). That said, I do like it a lot, and it was great to share w/ my now 12 year old kid.
I could never figure out why there was so much hate for this movie. I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I totally agree it was great. It had a very good villain. It had a great story and the end fight was terrific. Well acted and well directed. Just a good fun Marvel movie.
The ooze they drink to understand each other is none other than Frank, the guy that got shrunk into a blob and flushed down the toilet in ant-man 1 movie, but hey that's just a theory.
this movie only got bad after Scott got the engine core for Kang. Everything after that felt half baked, also the rebels weren’t established well enough to care about their final battle
Now that you've brought my attention back to the live action Rick and Morty movie, specifically the sun harnessing. Have you read Marvel comics Exiles, the crystal castle time bug guys?
I loved this movie on opening night, and I've rewatched it 3 or 4 times since it hit Disney+ From the very beginning, I could not understand the hate - other than to just blame the black-pilled internet hate machine.
I think they should have moved Quantumania to May 2023 and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 to October 2023 while The Marvels to April 2024 and since Deadpool 3 is in July 2024 then we have two movies this year too!
I was hyped for this movie. I was in Spain when it dropped and I couldn't wait to get back home to watch it. Enjoyed it, bought and have watched it about 5x
DUDE.. I am so tired people acting like they didnt watch captain kirk fight a man in a rubber lizzard suit in slow motion - and now are somehow VVX snobs. if you looked at all of this movie and said.. "I do declare! that purple is not purple enough and i think i saw a blah blah blah".... shut up already guys. watch the freakin movie and enjoy the story. whats wrong with you nerds? I swear - EVERY time i hear people say some movie had bad vfx, I watch the movie and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. the big head looked weird, and i just figured they wanted it to look weird. so i forgot about it the exact second after.
I haven't even seen your vid yet SC, but I already love it 😂 Anyone can find flaws in film... it takes little brains and less effort... BUT taking something that struggles and revealing its value and depth... that's creativity (and positivity). I love what you do here on your channel SC and can't wait to watch this vid!
Loved it the first time and I’ve watched it several times since…because I never cared about what critics or the media said or will say. It was a funny movie and, yes, unique in a lot of ways…and when it comes to the cgi, well, I tried to stay updated on what was going on with marvel. The people involved in the making did amazingly with what they had. Still a huge fan of
It is a nice movie the cast is good,the visuals good too just the ending the fight kang vs ant-man 🙄😤 Horrible like kang someway he lost which is a scene I skip every time I rewatch the movie
Here's what I think could've fixed quantumania so just get rid of kang have him be like thanos him sitting on a throne controlling everything and have modok as the main villain but as a general in kang's army just like Ronan the accuser is a top commanrer in thanos army in guardians of the galaxy and I saw some of the rejected concept art for Modok and it looked better than the modok we got in quantumania so i would use one of those rejected concept art and used it for the movie and I would remove the Modok redemption arc now I would continue the trend of a hero losing something in they're 3rd movie maybe modok kills Janet or something and at the end of the movie we will have a scene where a battalion of kang's soldiers report to kang that modok has been defeated but kang just smiles just like Thanos at the end of the avengers movie we can still have the council of kangs mid credits scenes
I personally enjoyed the movie a lot also. Kang talking about how insignificant ants are right before getting attacked by them was pretty epic. Also, my only problem was the casting of Jonathon Majors cause of IRL stuff but that’s not even this movies fault, we could blame it on the Loki series since that’s where he first appeared. Regardless, he’s no longer with Marvel or Disney so all should be right I guess.
Ryan had been trying to make this video for almost an year now. He stated many times that he thought this movie was great but people somehow didn't like it. Glad to finally see this video!
I’ve said it here a few times. I really like Quantumania and I’ve watched it three times now. It really is a great arc for Scott to show him EARNING his spot in The Avengers instead of just coasting in as a Captain America fanboy in Civil War. Ye, there are parts where the CGI is shaky, however, having just rewatching True Lies two nights ago and seeing how genuinely bad early CGI was and being able to point out EVERY scene where you see Arnold’s stunt double’s face so clearly seen, even shaky current CGI looks amaze balls in comparison. Haha. Personally, I’m glad to see this take from Ryan. I’d love to see more videos like this where a dip into the science helps folks better understand why things work in our MCU films. That’s something I’ve always enjoyed about the comics. It was always teaching us important life lessons and science on the sly if you were reading it the way it was intended. I do love a subversive and brilliant group of creatives.
The only thing missing from Quantumania was Luis. I think the hate came from Marvel advertising, who Kang would become instead of letting him be a new villain that would become a thorn in everyone's side. The mistake wasn't him being defeated by hyper intelligent ants. The mistake was not showing Kang survive it.
I honnestly like this Ant Man Movie, and I think it really doesn't deserve all that backlash, except the complains about CGI being rushed. That said, I think Quantumania lacks the scale effects we had in previous appearances of Ant Man in the MCU, especially in the first movie : What I liked about Ant Man was the sense of scale, with some scenes that had that miniature effect. And I think it's a shame that they went away from these shot ideas...
I don't hate this movie, in fact, I enjoyed this movie, very much! I even bought the book, "Watch Out for the Little Guy" because I thought it was an amazing concept. I believe this film was pushed to the back burner and got burnt. So much potential, like you said. I thought Ant-Man was going to die, just like I thought Hawkeye was going to lose his arm in the Disney+ show. But we're talking about perception, and expectations. One day, Marvel will return to it's great story telling time again, and I will be there, Watching!!
I never agree either any of the opinions on this channel but I still love it. That being said, I disagree. I think it was fine. Not great or memorable. But it wasn’t the disaster others said it was. I enjoyed it for what it was.
I don't care what anyone says. I love this movie and will always find the post credit Council of Kang scene as iconic. For Pete's sake, Marvel, just recast. I want Kang to keep going after Kingpin's street level storyline is over. Because im pretty sure the story's pivoting to Kingpin to give them more time to recast Kang.
I had fun watching this movie, the ants overwhelming Kang was fine. I am one of those people who thought Scott should have died or been stuck in the quantum realm
Nice try but honestly here's my main problem: the protagonists do not undergo a challenge and then change as a result. Therefore there is no plot just scenes of things
I agree with so much of the video and appreciate the movie more. However, I still can't get over how inconsistent Kang's powers are. One moment he is levitating around, vaporizing/annihilating people , and can use the force/control gravity. The next he just wants to stay on the ground, knocking people back and hide in a bubble...I get that his powers are only from technology and those ants might have better tech and abilities that can still beat the stronger version of him, but I think they could have done better to show that and stay more consistent.
The sense of scale was off. One of the things that makes Ant Man movies unique is the size of people and things compared to the normal size of the real world. Several times in the QR it was hard to tell if they were shrunken, normal or giant sized compared to the rest of the environment. They should have done something different with Kang, like maybe have him inside an actual prison inside his base. Like he can use his tech to create and control his empire, but he was physically confined to an enclosed area by his variants using some sort of powerful energy field. So he can't really interact with the environment and personally go out and shoot lasers, but his tech, his army and his minions are able to do the physical heavy lifting for him. That would allow the heroes to find a way to defeat him without having to face him as a true big bad. Instead, they'd just sort of thwart his goals and overthrow his empire in the QR. The end however, should foreshadow that by defeating him, they overlooked something and actually gave Kang a way to escape the QR. That would set up the future slate of events and pay off that gut feeling Scott has at the end where he's questioning whether they actually won.
Kang controlling a powerful army from far off would also mirror ant man's ability to Comand an army of ants. However, I feel like it would take longer to explain what's happening in that version of the movie and you lose the connection with Janet that was set up in the second movie.
Guardians did explain the translation issue in a throwaway visual detail where it’s shown during their arrest, the list of details about them has translator implants in some of them.
I honestly didn’t mind the super smart sentient ants at the end, I just wish we would’ve got a good chunk more of them so we could understand them and their motives and what happened to them over the millennia. Would’ve been a lot more believable and just just a random ex machine like we got
Yes! Bill Murray was incredible. 100% agree. Every mannerism aligns with his character every look and reaction to another line. Few can do this. (Jim Carey in early movies being another). I've seen this movie maybe 15x. Bc JM was incredible as this character, I kept needing to see his performance, 2) Paul Rudd is just likeable . 3) Bill Murray big performance in a tiny role. 4) bc I like escapism and space. I'm a passive marvel fan. I watch most movies to escape. I don't know the comics . I didn't watch the other ant mans bc I'm onto powered heros ie mutants. So my standards are for entertainment and escapism. Mission accomplished. I really liked this movie.
I felt that Antman was close to embracing those themes, but Scott did remains the same as ending montage shows he didnt learn Cassie's lesson that he needed to be more proactive as an Avenger rather than protecting the status quo (ie Kang and his timeline). Sacrificing himself wouldve been that arc. What was bad about the movie was its CGI action, abundance of side characters, lack of Wasp, reluctance to show Kang until the midpoint, and the underwhelming ending of Wasp defeating him despite zero character arc in the movie (she kills her mother's lover-- what if Wasp was struggling with a similar conflict to her mother regarding her love for Scott).
People let the guardians get away with not dying in the 3rd movie so why is it a problem that Scott or his family didn’t die? Oh because the internet cherry-picks everything about the mcu
I LOVE this video. Thank you so much for celebrating the awesome parts of a movie that people have made a game of ganging up on. You’ve given a redemption arc to the incredibly hard work of hundreds of talented people. Huge props, you guys.
I personally loved this movie. I don't see why it gets all the hate. I think majors did a GREAT job as kang. Maybe would have done better as an actual kang movie,which u can kinda argue thats wat it is already jus wit the ant man title. Bht I didn't have many problems with the film at all
N ppl complain cuz kang got beat. But I didn't see it that way. I think it was pretty obvious tht kang wasn't meant to be dead. He got sucked into the multiverse and I think that's how he will or was going to become the beyonder
I loved this movie! WTF do they want? The characters to leap out of comic books and bite their @zzes? They are CHARACTERS and fluid. It's nice to have them look and behave exactly like in the books...but most of it doesn't translate well into a movie. Ex. Nick Fury...I would never have guessed Samuel L Jackson to play such a part...but it worked for me. Enjoy the ride or make your own movie.
I’m grateful to hear this take on Quantumania. I really loved this movie the moment I watched it. Not perfect, yes, but it I find it to be great SciFi movie.
I might be the only person that just accepts Marvel shows/movies for what they are and find enjoyment in all of them, i mean except of eternals which i still havent watched yet. Like i absolutely loved She-Hulk, it was really funny meta and subversive. I love the totally new style and tone, its the exact type of episodic show that Marvel lacks, the casual viewer would be able to get into much easier. the CGI looks fine, like she looks like a female hulk, yes people who are green dont look normal, and if you teied painting and actor you wouldnt get the subsurface scatter that cg skin is able to reproduce, ot would look cheap with someone painted. If Secret wars was as it was and wasnt considered "Marvel" it would have been a massive hit for literally any TV or streaming network, the acting and production were pretty top notch. Try findig the good in things and a lot more shows will be good to you
No lie, I loved this movie!! When I took my son to watch it at the movies, I watched it through without ever going to the bathroom and I've seen it three time on Disney.
For me, it was... somewhat boring. I didn't think any of the had to die, but I can understand that any of the staying behind would have been way better than what we ended up having. The ants scene was awesome and I liked it (not that I overthought it so much as you did). :)
I'm glad that you defended this film, as I loved it on my first viewing and may even watch it again in future. Like you said, it wasn't perfect by any means, but it's without doubt the most underrated MCU film to date. Great work as always SC.
Same this was my favorite ant-man movie! Cgi some cgi wasn’t great but a lot of it was. An as you mention Ant man’s personal growth was amazing to watch. He is the super hero of the common man.
He did help drag this movie. When the movie could have used this kind of breakdown he simply jumped on the hate train and helped make fun of it. Like last week he was making fun of ants killing Kang lol
Loved this movie, and really wanted to see what Kang could do to the MCU and really wanted to see him pop up and battle several Avengers one on one before Kang Dynasty (lost opportunity here). .....I did miss Luis and Kurt in Qunatumania
Yes, they should give an accurate look at the content rather than try to make it look good when it isn't, or find other content to review. I feel for them because it's like like they are on a sinking ship trying to stay afloat.
Good points! It was much better than Antman 2 & way more fun besides the worst part is the end, shoving Kang into it when it’s not always given proper set up & pay off in the writing.
I think you have a point. To put it another way, when I saw the first Avengers movie, I wasn't thinking of how all these characters would have to evolve to get to End Game. I was just enjoying seeing the Avengers together for the first time. Marvel might be a victim of its own success in that we all know that there's this great thumping story arc planned for Phase 5 and our expectations are elevated to where we want a truly epic villain that is clearly a universe-breaker from the start. If I think back on some of the best story arcs in the comics, they started out looking like single-issue stories with maybe just a hint that there might be more coming. It isn't until you get toward the end that you see how it's all been building to that point. Most people agree that part of what didn't work in the DC movie universe was how rushed it was to get to the Justice League and Darkseid. One way to look at Quantummania is slowing down and telling some stories that hint at things to come but don't rush to the end. In the case or the first Avengers movie, I think they got the villain right in having Loki as the main opponent and then bringing Thanos in for a cameo. If they'd done the same with MODOK and brought Kang in at the end, it would have worked better and seemed less of a rush. Yet even with Kang being the big bad and also defeated in this movie is that Kang doesn't give up and he gets better each time because he learns from his mistakes. They could have shown him coming back in the next film in the line, having better protection for his gauntlets and a better force field. Or they could have shown some other Kangs coming in to solve the problem that this one Kang couldn't. I also agree with your analysis of the plot in terms of recognizing the power of the little guys, especially when they work together. I'm not sure how the screenwriter could have made it any more obvious without hammering us over the head with it.
This guy really defends marvel so damm much its actually funny. Like spams videos out on why the mcu isn't dead when it is and that superheroes aren't a genre when it is so how can can it be superheroe fatigue like this guy😂
@@Movie_Culture66 good I'm so happy for you if you think they are saying facts watch that's the point of RUclips find someone who you like and watch and if you don't like it don't watch i don't agree with those RUclipsrs I think they are little cry babies vs Ryan who sees the good and the bad or just don't watch he don't yell at the camera and cry but did what makes you happy 👍
Thanks for the video. I didn’t hate Quantumania either or one thing that I do disagree with you on is that I thought that the Bill Murray performance was. Dry weak. he felt like he lacked energy and wasn’t really trying. Still I like a lot of the connections that you made. So keep up the good work.
I feel like when Kang was wondering who scott was he didn't realize it was ant man but as soon as he sees Hank, Kang looks as if he knows exactly who Hank is
Good catch. Hank is the OG Antman!
Probably fought a different version on Hank and the Avengers in another timeline
He knew exactly who Scott was. He was just patronizing him and playing on his insecurities about being a lesser known Avenger, which is a major theme throughout the movie. He even refers to him as Antman near the end of that scene without being told lol
Like most Marvel and DC Films, It was fun. People take the movies way too seriously. Just watch the movie and have a good time! Not everything has to be Dark Knight or Winter Soldier.
Absolutely, The audience forgets why we even go to movies in the first place. To escape and enjoy they don’t always have to be the political thrillers as long as the good movie with a good story, cast, etc. then I have no problem with it.
Love this comment.
In response to the box office, the domestic take for Antman3Q was one whole million less than the domestic for AM&W. I'm sure it was Marvel's fault that China went into the dumps.
Everyone wants to be a film critic nowadays
“Not everything has to be Dark Knight or Winter Soldier”; Or Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool, or Raimi’s Spider-Man or Blade, or the first Antman movie, or…
Another full circle moment that Quantumania brings to the trilogy is the inclusion of Kang being the main antagonist in the first place. Kang says to Scott that he's "Just a man." then Cassie reiterates in her speech that Kang's "not invincible" that's important because in the first Ant-Man film Hank says, " In the right hands the relationship between man and suit is symbiotic; the suit has the power the man harnesses that power." Both Scott and Kang are just men with suits that have incredible power. But Scott defeats Kang by harnessing the strength of man and not his suit. It's a small detail, but it goes a long way.
Huh, it's a little like iron man 3 in that way.
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@@natereath4966 true
i didn't hate on this movie, but i didn't expect this kind of "brilliance" in writing in it. thanks for sharing your observation, i just liked it more now. gotta have to watch the trilogy again soon
If only it worked like that in the non cinematic world, too 😔
I honestly loved this movie. The message to me was it was taking the smallest avenger and proving why he deserves to be an Avenger. Showing how for all of Scott’s life everyone underestimated him or expected him to fail, but here he is taking on an avengers level threat with his family by his side. I loved that message and I walked in without expecting Scott to die at the hands of kang. I don’t think the movie was bad. I think people were glued to their expectations and bashed this movie when their expectations weren’t met.
"I walked in without expecting Scott to die at the hands of kang. I don’t think the movie was bad. I think people were glued to their expectations and bashed this movie when their expectations weren’t met."
So much this. I wasn't expecting Scott to die (I don't go in to a solo superhero movie expecting the title character to die, that's just not how the genre works; heroes die in Crisis Crossovers, not solo movies), and I thought it was a great movie. Low bar I'm setting, but it's probably my favorite post-Endgame MCU movie.
everyone hates this version of modok is pretending that the comic version is some serious character with depth. He is portrayed as a joke in comics AND tv…
Yeah i don't get that either. He's literally called M.D.O.R.K by spiderman lol. Dude has always been a joke villain.
@@GenerallDRK incels dude
M.O.D.O.K may not have pathos or anything in the comics, but he is treated like a threat and a leading villain in the comics, not a complete joke with lines like “Look at me, I’m such a dick” he’s the leader of AIM for Gods sake
@@omegaman2846it is the narrow minded sycophants who don’t get the joke of “aim is ran by a big floating head” like all the commentary is lost just bc you’re hyperfixated elsewhere lmao I cannot
@@nailinthefashion sure, AIM is taken seriously by the Avengers as an organization. There may be some occasions where they get the piss taken out of them, but what character doesn’t occasionally get made fun of?
I never hated this movie. Even the ant scene I actually liked. Makes sense given how strong ants are. And it’s only a temporary defeat.
Seriously. Imo antman barely escaped with his life. Slowing down a single kang variant does need equate to victory.
Umm no. Not when he’s presented as killing multiple avengers even Thor. It’s never shown to us is the first mistake. Then he’s defeated in a fist fight with Scott lang. it doesn’t make sense
@@WawaMarveldid you even watch this movie he’s not as powerful in the quantum realm
You love some socialist ants?
In the quantum realm, Kang is nowhere near as powerful as he could be. He is restrained by tech issues. The ants were not just bigger, they were evolved and had higher intelligence. This story was to prove that he was a threat, not the Prime Kang or the He who remains (yet/ever). Great movie, but it's bad use of Modok was the only black eye that I had.
Hot Take: I don't actually HATE Quantumania. It's not a film I'll be watching again anytime soon, but I don't hate it as much as everyone else.
Ive watched it a couple times. Its funny. And bill murray dude.
Ok they came to same conclusion as me i rescind
For me Ant-Man 3 sits around Iron Man 2 in my ranking, not the best but certainly not the worst. I really like it
Warm take
Agreed. Just like most of the MCI Phase IV series and films I probably won't revisit soon but I still hold respect for the stories they presented us to build up to the next big event
Thank you. I always liked it. And especially the Type II civilization ants. Antman didn't defeat Kang by himself. He had a LOT of HELP.
I love the ants arc in these three movies!!! The first one they're basically slaves, the second, one gets big and becomes part of the family and helps Scott not get caught by Jimmy woo, then in the 3rd one all these interactions and their new head gear their intellect gets higher, then they go through thousands of years of evolution create a civilisation and all work together to help the ant family. It's actually really emosh if you think about it, inspite of the time they've been creating their civilisation as soon as they could went to help save the antfam, they still remembered or had past down the knowledge of their human family that got them there and still had that connection to hank, also they're all huge intelligent armoured and able to lift 100x times their own weight and there's thousands so...kang who in my opinion 🐜
Also scot has always given them names and treated them as individuals and I think they appreciated this
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@@HappyBob701that’s kinda sad you don’t think animals can be friends…
@@HappyBob701what a stupid thing to say. Are you quite alright? 😐 Also just so you're aware, anyone accusing others of not having friends is typically projecting - bet you just have a bunch of people that avoid you yourself. 🤭
Ohh, nice observation there, I didn't pick up on that.
Them managing to sneak Darren back in as MODOK was really clever way to have MODOK in the MCU.
I came out of the theatre having really enjoyed this movie and hyped for what was to come from marvel, and then I went on the internet and was confused
I had this exact reaction!!
Same! But I didn't watch the trailer breakdowns and speculation thus could enjoy it despite the Modok cgi! Same thing happened with Dr strange
same I actually didn't know until I saw a comment on RUclips that a lot of people disliked it? I enjoyed it, almost as much as GotG3 and way way more than Love and Thunder and Multiverse of Madness
The scene of the one building embracing the other as it died in its arms made me shed a tear. Like, there was that good action-comedy into a tradegy gut punch that works well as a combo.
Honestly, I didn't hate it. It was like a 6 or 7 out of 10 for me. Wasn't amazing but I liked the concepts and the character development. It was just a perfect example of how overworked VFX artists and writers were and explains why they struck and why Marvel's VFX department unionized.
Ryan, you BETTER make a video like this for Eternals too!
It deserves it more than any Marvel Movie.
You think it deserves it more than any other MCU film? Is it your favorite?
Wait why did people "hate" it? It was a good fun movie like all AntMan movies are
One of the reasons I like Quantuamnia so much is because I called Darren Cross becoming MODOK and being the secondary antagonist in the film. I also had to be one of 10 people on Earth that knew Ant-Man wasn't going to die in it. I knew there was no way Marvel was going to kill the MVP of the Infinity Saga in his third film outing, they pulled the same trick with Iron Man's burning broken helmet in the trailers for Iron Man 3.
I appreciate you for trying your best to keep everyone invested in the MCU but idk …..
I just want to know how much time passed before they all got out because at the end of the movie the ant man with the heart and everyone looking at him like he’s a ghost makes me think everyone thought he was dead
I actually really liked this movie when I saw it in theaters. I went into it worried that the heist films, that were some of my favorites in the MCU, would be out of their depth. I was actually surprised that even though the surrounding were other worldly it still felt like an Ant Man film with all the heart and humor that I love. Totally underrated
If it requires this much explanation, they missed the mark
Love your explanations. Love the morals and themes.
And they just didn’t deliver a quality, understandable movie that has great impact.
Execution did not match intentions
Exactly. If you have to try to convince people something they didn't like was actually good, then...it wasn't actually good. I get the need to put up content, but come on. Next thing they are going to say is, "Secret Invasion was actually GREAT!"
Finally climax shot Scott thinking he pushed everyone into problem and then welcome back in background!!
Thank you for finally pointing this out, I've been saying for years that the phase 4 films weren't all as bad as people are saying they've just haven't been able to live up to the amount of sheer hype around them.
If quantimania had handled Kang the same way Thanos was handled in the the pre infinty war mcu, at least half the criticism would be gone.
Hell even if nothing in the film changed, other than people going into the movie having no expectation, the response would have been way better.
GOTG - 8.8 (if it's phase 4)
QM - 5.9
Secret Invasion - 5
Loki 2 - 9.3
Shang Chi - 7.7 (watched this year and was solid across the board).
They should’ve had kang look stronger in the end fight, and yes I get it the ants were super evolved very fast hence why they beat him. Still doesn’t sit right with me how they just killed him off. He got sucked into the engine core (which should’ve led to a future story down the line) maybe he becomes the beyonder or somehow is able to exit the core which would’ve gave him even more power. The writing was an all time low it really killed the movie in the end imo
Theyre cutting him anyways. Be done with kang we wrapped it up. Introduce doom as an effect of loki in the world tree.
@@andrewheath6451 which is valid 100% or if they introduce galactus (after doom or before) They need to build up doom like they did thanos. Throw him in an end credit scene or two before he makes his big screen debut. I’d hate it if he randomly just appears on screen just to barely keep him around.
@@DrunkenSocrateshe’s being put on such a pedestal right now that there’s almost no way he meets the unrealistic expectations when he comes in.
Here’s my problem with that complaint. Remember when Scott one punched a leviathan in endgame? Kang was tanking hits that put down leviathans. And people forget this is a weak version of Kang who could’ve killed Scott and Cassie when he had them trapped with zero effort. If you want to see a fully powered kang watch the Loki show which was his first introduction
ABSOLUTELY AGREE. KANG should've bodied the ants, taken half of the resistance out, and taken the lives of Jill, Hank, and Janet before beating Scott senseless.
I love Quantumania, alot, seen it a number of times, and in fact Love Mordok, like how goofy he was, and was supposed to be. In fact, I grew to really enjoying it and I agree, is my favourite Antman movie.
You made me want to watch this again with the agenda of just enjoying what the movie is and not what it means to the huge saga. Thank you.
I actually really enjoyed this movie. The CGI is iffy in places certainly, but the visuals, the imagination behind them and all the points you make in favor of the film rang true with me as well.
You're half right. It was hated but it was not great.
I loved the movie, agree on the kang take and that Darren should have been the main villain, and the idea of giant genius ants is absolutely horrifying and completely believable to me as to why kang was overpowered by them, great video!!
People omit the fact he was literally stabbed in the back by Darren that damaged his force field giving the giant ants the opening they needed.
I loved it. I think people dont really get comics, and therefore don't really get comic book movies. Marvel has done a brilliant job making a cinematic representation of what the comics are and have always been. A person isnt going to love every single comic book. Some dont sell and have limited runs, but they are still part of a mosaic. In the cinematic version, we have some movies and shows that don't hit for everyone, and that should be okay.
Kang stood in front of 3 of his biggest opposers at the time for maybe 30 seconds and waited for their ant army to approach him. A minute before his enemies stood in front of him, he was evaporating rebels with his weapons. I suppose he forgot he had those lasers???? Writers forced a loss.
The ants have extremely advanced exoskeletons and Kang was trying to look like a bad ass, because he has an ego.
Don't forget that Modok betrayed him and created an opening in the force field that made it easier for the ants. He wasn't beaten by the ants just bombarded by them after beating on Scott Hope came in to save the day. My question is why didn't he just pause time when Janet took the core at the beginning the way he did towards the end after Scott shrunk it down to it's normal size? Plenty of plot holes in this movie to say it was so well written.
I didn't think it was great, but it was pretty good. Now I'd like to hear your praise of Multiverse of Madness. That movie gets too much hate. Watched it twice and I love it.
😂😂😂 This video proves just how easy it is to deconstruct and philosophise about any crappy thing! It's as funny as it is irritating.
Do "The Room" next!
😂😂😂
I really liked the movie when I saw it, and was surprised when people started turning against it. I didn't notice anything wrong with the VFX (real life isn't always colorful-- visible light wouldn't be perceptible on a subatomic scale... Neptune isn't really that blue...electron microscope photography shows how weird everything looks on a microscopic level...)
I appreciate how you pointed out the thematic unity and hopeful message. It's always welcome in this dumpster fire of a world.
No, it's not perfect, but the characters (even MODOK!) were enjoyable, the idea of Kang gets across, and I had a great time. And now, I appreciate it even more. Thank you!
totally agree, completely underrated! it’s a shame we won’t get another performance of majors as lang for the big screen.
I love how "Eh don't worry about that Kang guy" is literally going to be the solution to the Kang problem after Majors was fired. "It's fine, Loki took care of him."
Not having Michael Peña do a story recap was the biggest travesty.
The "You're so big!" (Said from Scott to Cassie) is a callback to Endgame where Scott sees the older Cassie after the 5 year gap for the first time... that part caught my attention couple nights ago haven't seen anybody mention that one yet.
Lol, I'd never noticed that!
Just rewatched both scenes: "You're so big" vs "You're huge!" -- both in a very emotional hug.
Txs a lot for this!
@@Velhoall i am mute irl so i catch a lot of context that a lot of people miss... but i also miss a lot of stuff that is obvious to others because of tbi... you're welcome and i am glad i am not the only one who found some enjoyment out of it!
@@muteninjaturtle cool, mate! Getting some "plus" from your "weakness" is a blueprint for so many superheroes origin story, right?
@@Velhoall yes it is! Probably why i relate to comics so much more than people... but when i can relate/connect to people the most its usually over comics lol
@@muteninjaturtlethat's amazing!! It's incredible how our bodies compensate if we are lacking in other areas. My older brother is disabled and he never ceases to amaze me. GOD bless you.
Its hated because social media and video sites like youtube have taught people to think that their opinions are worth hearing, and lets be honest, it is way more popular these days to spread negativity...
Na dude have you seen the hallway scene? That crap is riddled with plot holes and contrivance it's not even funny
@@ChristochatBTWthank the writers for that not the actual cast
@@ChristochatBTW thanks for proving my point. 👍
@arkitekt1623 how did I prove your point thats my opinion that formed. Basically what you're saying is if anyone disagrees with your garbage take they are just proving you right? What are you smoking and where can I get some
@DrunkenSocrates point still stands, the end product was bad
One big failing as an Ant-Man film (besides Wasp having nothing to do) is the loss of connectivity to his own other "little guys", his X-Con crew. Yeah, they had MODOK and I'm ok with how they incorporated that. But to really close the trilogy, the X-Cons also needed to be involved.
So thus it has 2 bits of being incomplete and unsatisafying.
By "killing" Kang (though we know he's not dead), it kinda put a big halt on the Multiverse saga's big-bad before he even started (and this would be true even without Majors' personal matters), and then it fails to totally satisfy as an Ant-Man film because 2 factors of what made the prior films work were removed (X-Con) or reduced (Hope/Wasp).
That said, I do like it a lot, and it was great to share w/ my now 12 year old kid.
I used to keep a movie journal like that too!
I saw it release night in iMax 3D and loved it. Came out of theatre totally taken aback by the backlash from it.
13:52. NOT a Varient of Wilson Fisk mind you.
Lol
I could never figure out why there was so much hate for this movie. I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I totally agree it was great. It had a very good villain. It had a great story and the end fight was terrific. Well acted and well directed. Just a good fun Marvel movie.
The ooze they drink to understand each other is none other than Frank, the guy that got shrunk into a blob and flushed down the toilet in ant-man 1 movie, but hey that's just a theory.
A film theory.
@@CrisisCarter First thing I thought too. *rofl*
this movie only got bad after Scott got the engine core for Kang. Everything after that felt half baked, also the rebels weren’t established well enough to care about their final battle
Now that you've brought my attention back to the live action Rick and Morty movie, specifically the sun harnessing. Have you read Marvel comics Exiles, the crystal castle time bug guys?
ANT- whatever you want to call yourself, was 2nd worse move Disney, the Dumpster Fire Award goes to (drum roll) the Marvels.
I loved this movie on opening night, and I've rewatched it 3 or 4 times since it hit Disney+
From the very beginning, I could not understand the hate - other than to just blame the black-pilled internet hate machine.
Wait, what is black pilled?? 👀
Nevermind, I googled it and wish I never asked.
I think they should have moved Quantumania to May 2023 and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 to October 2023 while The Marvels to April 2024 and since Deadpool 3 is in July 2024 then we have two movies this year too!
The script talked down to me. I felt brain cells dying with every bad joke and bad story telling with Pfeifer.
I was hyped for this movie. I was in Spain when it dropped and I couldn't wait to get back home to watch it. Enjoyed it, bought and have watched it about 5x
I watched it in theaters and it definitely didn’t deserve all the negative publicity it was getting!
DUDE.. I am so tired people acting like they didnt watch captain kirk fight a man in a rubber lizzard suit in slow motion - and now are somehow VVX snobs. if you looked at all of this movie and said.. "I do declare! that purple is not purple enough and i think i saw a blah blah blah".... shut up already guys. watch the freakin movie and enjoy the story. whats wrong with you nerds? I swear - EVERY time i hear people say some movie had bad vfx, I watch the movie and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. the big head looked weird, and i just figured they wanted it to look weird. so i forgot about it the exact second after.
I haven't even seen your vid yet SC, but I already love it 😂 Anyone can find flaws in film... it takes little brains and less effort... BUT taking something that struggles and revealing its value and depth... that's creativity (and positivity). I love what you do here on your channel SC and can't wait to watch this vid!
Loved it the first time and I’ve watched it several times since…because I never cared about what critics or the media said or will say. It was a funny movie and, yes, unique in a lot of ways…and when it comes to the cgi, well, I tried to stay updated on what was going on with marvel. The people involved in the making did amazingly with what they had. Still a huge fan of
What did you think of Quantumania?
It is a nice movie the cast is good,the visuals good too just the ending the fight kang vs ant-man 🙄😤 Horrible like kang someway he lost which is a scene I skip every time I rewatch the movie
Here's what I think could've fixed quantumania so just get rid of kang have him be like thanos him sitting on a throne controlling everything and have modok as the main villain but as a general in kang's army just like Ronan the accuser is a top commanrer in thanos army in guardians of the galaxy and I saw some of the rejected concept art for Modok and it looked better than the modok we got in quantumania so i would use one of those rejected concept art and used it for the movie and I would remove the Modok redemption arc now I would continue the trend of a hero losing something in they're 3rd movie maybe modok kills Janet or something and at the end of the movie we will have a scene where a battalion of kang's soldiers report to kang that modok has been defeated but kang just smiles just like Thanos at the end of the avengers movie we can still have the council of kangs mid credits scenes
No Luis. 😢
i wasn’t a fan. left the theater unconfident in the future of the mcu
I personally enjoyed the movie a lot also. Kang talking about how insignificant ants are right before getting attacked by them was pretty epic. Also, my only problem was the casting of Jonathon Majors cause of IRL stuff but that’s not even this movies fault, we could blame it on the Loki series since that’s where he first appeared. Regardless, he’s no longer with Marvel or Disney so all should be right I guess.
Ryan had been trying to make this video for almost an year now. He stated many times that he thought this movie was great but people somehow didn't like it. Glad to finally see this video!
WE NEEDED THIS VIDEO WHILE THE MOVIE WAS IN THEATRES..
I kept arguing this for a year with my friends. No one ever accepts my ant theory.
I’ve said it here a few times. I really like Quantumania and I’ve watched it three times now. It really is a great arc for Scott to show him EARNING his spot in The Avengers instead of just coasting in as a Captain America fanboy in Civil War. Ye, there are parts where the CGI is shaky, however, having just rewatching True Lies two nights ago and seeing how genuinely bad early CGI was and being able to point out EVERY scene where you see Arnold’s stunt double’s face so clearly seen, even shaky current CGI looks amaze balls in comparison. Haha. Personally, I’m glad to see this take from Ryan. I’d love to see more videos like this where a dip into the science helps folks better understand why things work in our MCU films. That’s something I’ve always enjoyed about the comics. It was always teaching us important life lessons and science on the sly if you were reading it the way it was intended. I do love a subversive and brilliant group of creatives.
The only thing missing from Quantumania was Luis. I think the hate came from Marvel advertising, who Kang would become instead of letting him be a new villain that would become a thorn in everyone's side. The mistake wasn't him being defeated by hyper intelligent ants. The mistake was not showing Kang survive it.
I honnestly like this Ant Man Movie, and I think it really doesn't deserve all that backlash, except the complains about CGI being rushed.
That said, I think Quantumania lacks the scale effects we had in previous appearances of Ant Man in the MCU, especially in the first movie : What I liked about Ant Man was the sense of scale, with some scenes that had that miniature effect. And I think it's a shame that they went away from these shot ideas...
I don't hate this movie, in fact, I enjoyed this movie, very much! I even bought the book, "Watch Out for the Little Guy" because I thought it was an amazing concept. I believe this film was pushed to the back burner and got burnt. So much potential, like you said. I thought Ant-Man was going to die, just like I thought Hawkeye was going to lose his arm in the Disney+ show. But we're talking about perception, and expectations. One day, Marvel will return to it's great story telling time again, and I will be there, Watching!!
I never agree either any of the opinions on this channel but I still love it. That being said, I disagree. I think it was fine. Not great or memorable. But it wasn’t the disaster others said it was. I enjoyed it for what it was.
I don't care what anyone says. I love this movie and will always find the post credit Council of Kang scene as iconic. For Pete's sake, Marvel, just recast. I want Kang to keep going after Kingpin's street level storyline is over. Because im pretty sure the story's pivoting to Kingpin to give them more time to recast Kang.
I had fun watching this movie, the ants overwhelming Kang was fine. I am one of those people who thought Scott should have died or been stuck in the quantum realm
Thanks for the video. But the movie trips over it’s own feet too many times to ignore the mistakes
Nice try but honestly here's my main problem: the protagonists do not undergo a challenge and then change as a result. Therefore there is no plot just scenes of things
I agree with so much of the video and appreciate the movie more. However, I still can't get over how inconsistent Kang's powers are. One moment he is levitating around, vaporizing/annihilating people , and can use the force/control gravity. The next he just wants to stay on the ground, knocking people back and hide in a bubble...I get that his powers are only from technology and those ants might have better tech and abilities that can still beat the stronger version of him, but I think they could have done better to show that and stay more consistent.
This movie is definitely over hated, I thought it was pretty good and that end credit scene incredible
The sense of scale was off. One of the things that makes Ant Man movies unique is the size of people and things compared to the normal size of the real world. Several times in the QR it was hard to tell if they were shrunken, normal or giant sized compared to the rest of the environment. They should have done something different with Kang, like maybe have him inside an actual prison inside his base. Like he can use his tech to create and control his empire, but he was physically confined to an enclosed area by his variants using some sort of powerful energy field. So he can't really interact with the environment and personally go out and shoot lasers, but his tech, his army and his minions are able to do the physical heavy lifting for him. That would allow the heroes to find a way to defeat him without having to face him as a true big bad. Instead, they'd just sort of thwart his goals and overthrow his empire in the QR. The end however, should foreshadow that by defeating him, they overlooked something and actually gave Kang a way to escape the QR. That would set up the future slate of events and pay off that gut feeling Scott has at the end where he's questioning whether they actually won.
Kang controlling a powerful army from far off would also mirror ant man's ability to Comand an army of ants.
However, I feel like it would take longer to explain what's happening in that version of the movie and you lose the connection with Janet that was set up in the second movie.
Guardians did explain the translation issue in a throwaway visual detail where it’s shown during their arrest, the list of details about them has translator implants in some of them.
@ 23:55 "the Wasp" in the title is the OG Wasp - Janet. It's more Hank & Janet's story, b/c Hank helped Cassie build the tech. Not Scott.
Quantumania is on my Top 10 Best film list of 2023 🤩
I honestly didn’t mind the super smart sentient ants at the end, I just wish we would’ve got a good chunk more of them so we could understand them and their motives and what happened to them over the millennia. Would’ve been a lot more believable and just just a random ex machine like we got
Yes! Bill Murray was incredible. 100% agree. Every mannerism aligns with his character every look and reaction to another line. Few can do this. (Jim Carey in early movies being another). I've seen this movie maybe 15x. Bc JM was incredible as this character, I kept needing to see his performance, 2) Paul Rudd is just likeable . 3) Bill Murray big performance in a tiny role. 4) bc I like escapism and space.
I'm a passive marvel fan. I watch most movies to escape. I don't know the comics . I didn't watch the other ant mans bc I'm onto powered heros ie mutants. So my standards are for entertainment and escapism. Mission accomplished. I really liked this movie.
I felt that Antman was close to embracing those themes, but Scott did remains the same as ending montage shows he didnt learn Cassie's lesson that he needed to be more proactive as an Avenger rather than protecting the status quo (ie Kang and his timeline). Sacrificing himself wouldve been that arc.
What was bad about the movie was its CGI action, abundance of side characters, lack of Wasp, reluctance to show Kang until the midpoint, and the underwhelming ending of Wasp defeating him despite zero character arc in the movie (she kills her mother's lover-- what if Wasp was struggling with a similar conflict to her mother regarding her love for Scott).
It looked amazing, I am mostly hoping they use the tech for more interesting star wars aliens
People let the guardians get away with not dying in the 3rd movie so why is it a problem that Scott or his family didn’t die? Oh because the internet cherry-picks everything about the mcu
100% this
I LOVE this video. Thank you so much for celebrating the awesome parts of a movie that people have made a game of ganging up on. You’ve given a redemption arc to the incredibly hard work of hundreds of talented people. Huge props, you guys.
Personally I love this film!
I personally loved this movie. I don't see why it gets all the hate. I think majors did a GREAT job as kang. Maybe would have done better as an actual kang movie,which u can kinda argue thats wat it is already jus wit the ant man title. Bht I didn't have many problems with the film at all
N ppl complain cuz kang got beat. But I didn't see it that way. I think it was pretty obvious tht kang wasn't meant to be dead. He got sucked into the multiverse and I think that's how he will or was going to become the beyonder
I loved this movie! WTF do they want? The characters to leap out of comic books and bite their @zzes? They are CHARACTERS and fluid. It's nice to have them look and behave exactly like in the books...but most of it doesn't translate well into a movie. Ex. Nick Fury...I would never have guessed Samuel L Jackson to play such a part...but it worked for me. Enjoy the ride or make your own movie.
I’m grateful to hear this take on Quantumania. I really loved this movie the moment I watched it. Not perfect, yes, but it I find it to be great SciFi movie.
I might be the only person that just accepts Marvel shows/movies for what they are and find enjoyment in all of them, i mean except of eternals which i still havent watched yet.
Like i absolutely loved She-Hulk, it was really funny meta and subversive. I love the totally new style and tone, its the exact type of episodic show that Marvel lacks, the casual viewer would be able to get into much easier. the CGI looks fine, like she looks like a female hulk, yes people who are green dont look normal, and if you teied painting and actor you wouldnt get the subsurface scatter that cg skin is able to reproduce, ot would look cheap with someone painted.
If Secret wars was as it was and wasnt considered "Marvel" it would have been a massive hit for literally any TV or streaming network, the acting and production were pretty top notch.
Try findig the good in things and a lot more shows will be good to you
8:26/9:07/9:21-9:30-9:51/15:55/17:10
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No lie, I loved this movie!! When I took my son to watch it at the movies, I watched it through without ever going to the bathroom and I've seen it three time on Disney.
For me, it was... somewhat boring. I didn't think any of the had to die, but I can understand that any of the staying behind would have been way better than what we ended up having. The ants scene was awesome and I liked it (not that I overthought it so much as you did). :)
How much is Disney paying you to shill for this movie?
People aren't allowed to have their own opinion? Try again lil 🐱
I'm glad that you defended this film, as I loved it on my first viewing and may even watch it again in future.
Like you said, it wasn't perfect by any means, but it's without doubt the most underrated MCU film to date.
Great work as always SC.
Just stop already lmao. We all know you just want to stay on Marvel’s good side so you can keep getting early screenings. Embarrassing.
Same this was my favorite ant-man movie! Cgi some cgi wasn’t great but a lot of it was. An as you mention Ant man’s personal growth was amazing to watch. He is the super hero of the common man.
spare me man...
He did help drag this movie. When the movie could have used this kind of breakdown he simply jumped on the hate train and helped make fun of it. Like last week he was making fun of ants killing Kang lol
Loved this movie, and really wanted to see what Kang could do to the MCU and really wanted to see him pop up and battle several Avengers one on one before Kang Dynasty (lost opportunity here). .....I did miss Luis and Kurt in Qunatumania
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for content, huh?
This will be a long year for channels like this.
Yes, they should give an accurate look at the content rather than try to make it look good when it isn't, or find other content to review.
I feel for them because it's like like they are on a sinking ship trying to stay afloat.
Good points! It was much better than Antman 2 & way more fun besides
the worst part is the end, shoving Kang into it when it’s not always given proper set up & pay off in the writing.
... No, it's not great lol. Like, at all.
I think you have a point. To put it another way, when I saw the first Avengers movie, I wasn't thinking of how all these characters would have to evolve to get to End Game. I was just enjoying seeing the Avengers together for the first time. Marvel might be a victim of its own success in that we all know that there's this great thumping story arc planned for Phase 5 and our expectations are elevated to where we want a truly epic villain that is clearly a universe-breaker from the start. If I think back on some of the best story arcs in the comics, they started out looking like single-issue stories with maybe just a hint that there might be more coming. It isn't until you get toward the end that you see how it's all been building to that point. Most people agree that part of what didn't work in the DC movie universe was how rushed it was to get to the Justice League and Darkseid. One way to look at Quantummania is slowing down and telling some stories that hint at things to come but don't rush to the end.
In the case or the first Avengers movie, I think they got the villain right in having Loki as the main opponent and then bringing Thanos in for a cameo. If they'd done the same with MODOK and brought Kang in at the end, it would have worked better and seemed less of a rush.
Yet even with Kang being the big bad and also defeated in this movie is that Kang doesn't give up and he gets better each time because he learns from his mistakes. They could have shown him coming back in the next film in the line, having better protection for his gauntlets and a better force field. Or they could have shown some other Kangs coming in to solve the problem that this one Kang couldn't.
I also agree with your analysis of the plot in terms of recognizing the power of the little guys, especially when they work together. I'm not sure how the screenwriter could have made it any more obvious without hammering us over the head with it.
This guy really defends marvel so damm much its actually funny. Like spams videos out on why the mcu isn't dead when it is and that superheroes aren't a genre when it is so how can can it be superheroe fatigue like this guy😂
Gotta play both sides if they don’t want to lose viewership 🤷♂️
It's just his opinion if you don't like it go find one of those RUclipsrs that cry about everything dying this is a positive place
@omaurioncouncil564 I will thank you very much because they talk facts unlike him who is trying 2 defend it so much its just funny
@@Static1583 true but he is probably gonna lose more from this vid
@@Movie_Culture66 good I'm so happy for you if you think they are saying facts watch that's the point of RUclips find someone who you like and watch and if you don't like it don't watch i don't agree with those RUclipsrs I think they are little cry babies vs Ryan who sees the good and the bad or just don't watch he don't yell at the camera and cry but did what makes you happy 👍
Thanks for the video. I didn’t hate Quantumania either or one thing that I do disagree with you on is that I thought that the Bill Murray performance was. Dry weak. he felt like he lacked energy and wasn’t really trying. Still I like a lot of the connections that you made. So keep up the good work.
Nope!