Totes, if there is an episode, that is a marking of the moment between hey guess what you had the set up and hey guess what you have the payoff this is it
This is one of those WOW episodes of B5. Completely unexpected, the 15th episode of the season and so much happened. Vorlons showed that they can kick ass if they want to, but Kosh finally wasn't cryptic, he did the most heroic and brave thing he could, and Sheridan didn't understand. But he saw that Sheridan was willing to die there, for the cause, just like the inquisitor showed he could, and Kosh decided to do the same thing. Be brave and help how he could. Such an amazing episode.
What I took away from the Vorlons doing as well as they did made me ask one question: "What do you mean you're not ready? They barely scratched you like the Narn scratched the Shadows! Something isn't right here!"
JMS cast Rance Howard (actor/director/producer Ron Howard's father) as Sheridan's father. This choice turned out to have significant impact beyond B5 for JMS. B5's critical success never translated into ratings success, and the efforts JMS had to make just to complete his vision left him exhausted and alienated from the much of rest of the industry for several years afterward, until Ron Howard approached JMS, saying "You gave my father a job when no one else would - let's make a movie together" JMS went on to write the movie "Changeling" which Howard produced, jumpstarting JMS's movie writing career.
Oh this episode hits you left right, a little slap to distract you and bamm...Kosh was right. You do not udnerstand, but you will. Rewatching the series is rewarding for Kosh´s talk alone.
The death of Adira definitely makes your heart break a little for Londo, and then seeing him go ask Morden for help, breaks it a little more. And as many times as I've watched the show, the death of Kosh, especially as he's speaking to Sheridan, it still causes a few tears.
Its interesting how small characters will have such a big impact later in the show. You don't realize when Adira was first introduced what an impact her character has on Londo.
This episode illustrates the JMS mastery of true Epic story arcs - grown from little seeds that were planted YEARS in advance. GRRM learned from JMS - I don't think GoT would have been the phenomenon for HBO that it was if JMS had never been able to blaze the path and show that this type of story could be done on TV.
When a weapon strikes a shield, the shield subsequently strikes the ship. You can experience the same effect with a trash can lid in your hand: You get the full energy of the hit, but it gets slowed down and spread out so it won't pierce your arm.
There was a podcast called The Babble-on Project that had a lot of fun with Franklin's "Thirteen! Thirteen! Thirteen!" meltdown. "Hey, Dr Franklin, how many are in a baker's dozen?" "Hey, Dr Franklin, what's 7 plus 6? "Hey, Dr Franklin, how many people were at the Last Supper?"
15:40 - Doctor Franklin should have been reduced in hours and serving as a teacher, rather than just being allowed to abandon his post. His skills are still needed, especially now. 17:50 - Kosh also could not flee the Shadows. If Kosh had fled, the Shadows would have gone after other targets instead (i.e. the B5 command staff). But I bet Kosh didn't go down easily.
The Vorlons and the Shadows have very powerful ships, but if you look back, we have seen the Shadows using mostly surprise attacks. It's like a battleship suddenly appearing beside you and engaging you at point-blank-range before you can even sound the alarm. Just saying we haven't seen them in an engagement where their opponent knew what they were and that they were coming. It might still be the equivalent of a destroyer going up against a battleship, but knowing what a battleship can do and with enough destroyers some will get close enough that even destroyers can eventually take down a battleship. With heavy losses of course. But as so often, we will see. As you just saw, the show has still some surprises left.
@@geoffharper8650 Three Narn ships managed to damage a Shadow ship. That's more damage than a tireme could to to a destroyer. Besides, with enough triremes there is a chance one will get close enough for some boarding action. Not a big one,. but it's there.
The Vorlon fleet comprises 1 dreadnought, 3 cruisers and several fighters. They are all equipped with shields and Vorlon lightning cannons. A Vorlon dreadnought is actually more powerful than a Shadow Battlecrab but nowhere near as fast or agile.
@@Shoomer88Actually, the old Agents of Gaming starship combat game produced a supplement called Ships of the Fleet, which included essays on the histories and space forces of the major powers. JMS wrote an introduction calling it canon, praising the attention to detail. They lost the license when WB wanted to give Mongoose the RPG license, and were too ignorant to realize those were not the same product. Mongoose then used much of the material themselves, because the standard WB contract required licensees to show continuity.
@@NZBigfoot JMS has likely changed his mind, on some of that. Broad outlines should at least be relevant, though. When there was talking of writing new tie in novel books, the relationship fell through however.
@@NZBigfoot As I understand it JMS rescinded the endorsement because of all the drama that happened with Mongoose. Now you can argue one can't "un-canon" something but it seems he did. At least verbally. Make of that what you will - there's been endless debate ever since.
Good questions. Answers are coming, guys. Also keep in mind that often things change between episodes based on the needs of the story. Maybe not so much as characters but for ships and alien species. One week they are powerful and the next not as much. JMS had a plan for the show over the years but not so much on the details and specifics. In D&D terms, Story trumps Rules. Also he was just one guy writing all this stuff. No one really to bounce ideas against or question the logic of things.
B5's story, acting, and characters are awesome. I do wish the space battles would be "remastered" so to speak to today's capabilities. At the time they were great, still are, but when you did deeper into the lore you find out how much is left out or "dumbed down" because it was too expensive/out of reach at the time to display. The starfury fighters for example have 6 or 8 guns on them along with missiles, but the show makes you think they only have 2 guns like a tie fighter. Much like the Expanse, most of the warships fight by launching missiles, torpedoes, etc... along with their energy weapons. They defend with ecm jamming, stealth, and point defense more than shields as space is so big. As for the shadows, the show never really pointed it out but they have a mastery over entering different dimensions like hyperspace. That's why their ships just appear rather than you seeing a jump opening. Consequently they aren't just invisible but/also phased out partially when on B5, otherwise they could never sneak about in crowded areas without bumping into people/things. Point is, heat sensors and the like wouldn't be reliably able to detect them. Someone else may know better, but when Sheridan saw them on camera it was only for a moment before their phasing made them invisible again.
The circumstances of Franklin's resignation are almost exactly the same as the woman who discovered the alien healing device in season 1, although he hadn't killed anyone through negligence (yet)
Of all the first season episodes, The Quality of Mercy is the one that just keeps coming back, in many different ways. The most obvious are the re-use of the healing device in Revelations, and the closer look at mindwipes in Passing Through Gethsemane, but there are loads of other callbacks throughout the series.
Kosh knew he couldn't explain up front what would happen. If he did, Sheridan wouldn't risk it and the whole thing could fail. Kosh even said it had to happen, but he wasnt actually in the battle.
We have seen that Londo is lethally scary, and willing to do things he hates in service to goals he considers important. Now, what limits will he feel? How far will he go? I would be afraid.
My opinion may not be the most popular, but I sincerely believe you should watch In The Beginning after War Without End Part 1. Thats... War Without End Part 1 In The Beginning (movie) War Without End Part 2 Trust me, it's perfectly suited to be slotted right there.
Ambassador Kosh's phrase “We are few” can be interpreted in three ways. 1) The faction of “lovers of young races” in the Vorlon Senate is in the minority. 2) The Army of Light is outnumbered. 3) *Spoiler* will be explained in the middle of season 5.
These Shadow ships are not designed to deal with the Vorlons. The Shadows use them against lesser races. The Shadows weren't expecting a direct confrontation with the Vorlons, and Babylon 5 fans know why.
The Vorlons and Shadows have engagement rules that they follow, Koshos violated one such rule and the Shadows killed Him for it. As the series continues it will be clear to you
yeah .,.. the Shadows were designed after real insects i think.. one of those variations on bugs, that actually looks like a twig with leaves.. when not moving. ( unless I'm wrong )
I've always wondered, is Kosh appearing as Sheridan's father a sign of Kosh's arrogance? Or of Sheridan's respect for him? Either way, when you know what happens, everything about that "discussion" takes on a new angle, Most of all Kosh's almost pleadeing when he say "Its not yet time"!
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“You do not understand…but you will.” 😢 Hits me every time! Big, BIG episode!
Agree. That hits hard now.
SPOILER
Kosh knew what was coming and *was afraid to die*.
We are all Kosh.
@@Mike80528 we are all Kosh
It cost them the one Vorlon ally the station had. Vorlons didn't care who lived or died, as long as they won a petty argument between siblings.
For such an innocuous title, this episode is absolutely _huge._ It's another example of a "Nothing's the same anymore" episode.
Totes, if there is an episode, that is a marking of the moment between hey guess what you had the set up and hey guess what you have the payoff this is it
This is one of those WOW episodes of B5. Completely unexpected, the 15th episode of the season and so much happened. Vorlons showed that they can kick ass if they want to, but Kosh finally wasn't cryptic, he did the most heroic and brave thing he could, and Sheridan didn't understand. But he saw that Sheridan was willing to die there, for the cause, just like the inquisitor showed he could, and Kosh decided to do the same thing. Be brave and help how he could. Such an amazing episode.
What I took away from the Vorlons doing as well as they did made me ask one question: "What do you mean you're not ready? They barely scratched you like the Narn scratched the Shadows! Something isn't right here!"
@@7WhitePhoenix7 we later on know what he meant by that.
JMS cast Rance Howard (actor/director/producer Ron Howard's father) as Sheridan's father. This choice turned out to have significant impact beyond B5 for JMS.
B5's critical success never translated into ratings success, and the efforts JMS had to make just to complete his vision left him exhausted and alienated from the much of rest of the industry for several years afterward, until Ron Howard approached JMS, saying "You gave my father a job when no one else would - let's make a movie together"
JMS went on to write the movie "Changeling" which Howard produced, jumpstarting JMS's movie writing career.
a great story about JMS I never actually knew about.
Oh this episode hits you left right, a little slap to distract you and bamm...Kosh was right.
You do not udnerstand, but you will.
Rewatching the series is rewarding for Kosh´s talk alone.
YES .
The death of Adira definitely makes your heart break a little for Londo, and then seeing him go ask Morden for help, breaks it a little more. And as many times as I've watched the show, the death of Kosh, especially as he's speaking to Sheridan, it still causes a few tears.
Its interesting how small characters will have such a big impact later in the show. You don't realize when Adira was first introduced what an impact her character has on Londo.
This episode illustrates the JMS mastery of true Epic story arcs - grown from little seeds that were planted YEARS in advance. GRRM learned from JMS - I don't think GoT would have been the phenomenon for HBO that it was if JMS had never been able to blaze the path and show that this type of story could be done on TV.
22:16 The races shown in the seasons do not have “shields”. What you take for a shield is the dispersion of damage by armor.
When a weapon strikes a shield, the shield subsequently strikes the ship. You can experience the same effect with a trash can lid in your hand: You get the full energy of the hit, but it gets slowed down and spread out so it won't pierce your arm.
There was a podcast called The Babble-on Project that had a lot of fun with Franklin's "Thirteen! Thirteen! Thirteen!" meltdown.
"Hey, Dr Franklin, how many are in a baker's dozen?"
"Hey, Dr Franklin, what's 7 plus 6?
"Hey, Dr Franklin, how many people were at the Last Supper?"
In Valen's name, you cut Kosh's final words to John!
Some episodes keep you coming back, because they are memorable, and stay in your memory all throughout your watch of the series...
Did you notice Londo heard Morden’s associates? Seems like a weakness. 10:07
15:40 - Doctor Franklin should have been reduced in hours and serving as a teacher, rather than just being allowed to abandon his post. His skills are still needed, especially now.
17:50 - Kosh also could not flee the Shadows. If Kosh had fled, the Shadows would have gone after other targets instead (i.e. the B5 command staff). But I bet Kosh didn't go down easily.
The Vorlons and the Shadows have very powerful ships, but if you look back, we have seen the Shadows using mostly surprise attacks. It's like a battleship suddenly appearing beside you and engaging you at point-blank-range before you can even sound the alarm.
Just saying we haven't seen them in an engagement where their opponent knew what they were and that they were coming.
It might still be the equivalent of a destroyer going up against a battleship, but knowing what a battleship can do and with enough destroyers some will get close enough that even destroyers can eventually take down a battleship. With heavy losses of course.
But as so often, we will see.
As you just saw, the show has still some surprises left.
Its more like a modern missile destroyer appearing next to a roman trireme . No chance at all .
@@geoffharper8650 Three Narn ships managed to damage a Shadow ship. That's more damage than a tireme could to to a destroyer.
Besides, with enough triremes there is a chance one will get close enough for some boarding action. Not a big one,. but it's there.
@@Dreamfox-df6bg reality check. A trireme could sink a Missile Destroyer. The Ram would puncture the light steel hull.
The Vorlon fleet comprises 1 dreadnought, 3 cruisers and several fighters. They are all equipped with shields and Vorlon lightning cannons. A Vorlon dreadnought is actually more powerful than a Shadow Battlecrab but nowhere near as fast or agile.
Non of that is cannon though. Just some stuff they made up for the RPG.
@@Shoomer88 Except JMS has said that the RPG fluff is cannon.
@@Shoomer88Actually, the old Agents of Gaming starship combat game produced a supplement called Ships of the Fleet, which included essays on the histories and space forces of the major powers. JMS wrote an introduction calling it canon, praising the attention to detail. They lost the license when WB wanted to give Mongoose the RPG license, and were too ignorant to realize those were not the same product. Mongoose then used much of the material themselves, because the standard WB contract required licensees to show continuity.
@@NZBigfoot JMS has likely changed his mind, on some of that.
Broad outlines should at least be relevant, though.
When there was talking of writing new tie in novel books, the relationship fell through however.
@@NZBigfoot As I understand it JMS rescinded the endorsement because of all the drama that happened with Mongoose. Now you can argue one can't "un-canon" something but it seems he did. At least verbally. Make of that what you will - there's been endless debate ever since.
finally the vorlons showed some firepower! 👽💥💥💥
Really looking forward to the next two episodes! Hope you upload them together.
How to bring people to tears over what is basically an overgrown muppet.
Good questions. Answers are coming, guys. Also keep in mind that often things change between episodes based on the needs of the story. Maybe not so much as characters but for ships and alien species. One week they are powerful and the next not as much. JMS had a plan for the show over the years but not so much on the details and specifics. In D&D terms, Story trumps Rules. Also he was just one guy writing all this stuff. No one really to bounce ideas against or question the logic of things.
B5's story, acting, and characters are awesome. I do wish the space battles would be "remastered" so to speak to today's capabilities. At the time they were great, still are, but when you did deeper into the lore you find out how much is left out or "dumbed down" because it was too expensive/out of reach at the time to display. The starfury fighters for example have 6 or 8 guns on them along with missiles, but the show makes you think they only have 2 guns like a tie fighter.
Much like the Expanse, most of the warships fight by launching missiles, torpedoes, etc... along with their energy weapons. They defend with ecm jamming, stealth, and point defense more than shields as space is so big.
As for the shadows, the show never really pointed it out but they have a mastery over entering different dimensions like hyperspace. That's why their ships just appear rather than you seeing a jump opening. Consequently they aren't just invisible but/also phased out partially when on B5, otherwise they could never sneak about in crowded areas without bumping into people/things. Point is, heat sensors and the like wouldn't be reliably able to detect them. Someone else may know better, but when Sheridan saw them on camera it was only for a moment before their phasing made them invisible again.
Some people are doing that. Amusingly it's not that much of a change and correcting the studio format choice (they had the option of 16x9 or 4x3)
The circumstances of Franklin's resignation are almost exactly the same as the woman who discovered the alien healing device in season 1, although he hadn't killed anyone through negligence (yet)
Of all the first season episodes, The Quality of Mercy is the one that just keeps coming back, in many different ways. The most obvious are the re-use of the healing device in Revelations, and the closer look at mindwipes in Passing Through Gethsemane, but there are loads of other callbacks throughout the series.
Kosh knew he couldn't explain up front what would happen. If he did, Sheridan wouldn't risk it and the whole thing could fail. Kosh even said it had to happen, but he wasnt actually in the battle.
Get ready for the roller coaster ride. Be prepared to watch several episodes together. Though we all had to wait a week or more between episodes
Back in the 90s this show was our "weekly watch party" - a group of friends waiting a whole week to get the next story.
Oh, great. An episode called "Interludes and Examinations". I'm sure that it will be a nice, calm episode.
Totally chill. Probably a filler episode…
For this show, Episode Walkabout has the deepest personal meaning to me.
We have seen that Londo is lethally scary, and willing to do things he hates in service to goals he considers important. Now, what limits will he feel? How far will he go? I would be afraid.
My opinion may not be the most popular, but I sincerely believe you should watch In The Beginning after War Without End Part 1. Thats...
War Without End Part 1
In The Beginning (movie)
War Without End Part 2
Trust me, it's perfectly suited to be slotted right there.
Ambassador Kosh's phrase “We are few” can be interpreted in three ways. 1) The faction of “lovers of young races” in the Vorlon Senate is in the minority. 2) The Army of Light is outnumbered. 3) *Spoiler* will be explained in the middle of season 5.
WHAM!!!
Wham! Wham! Wham!
Looking forward to your reaction to the next two episodes
These Shadow ships are not designed to deal with the Vorlons. The Shadows use them against lesser races. The Shadows weren't expecting a direct confrontation with the Vorlons, and Babylon 5 fans know why.
Too many Shadows on Babylon 5 might be detected by the Vorlons.
So what?
The Vorlons and Shadows have engagement rules that they follow, Koshos violated one such rule and the Shadows killed Him for it. As the series continues it will be clear to you
yeah .,.. the Shadows were designed after real insects i think.. one of those variations on bugs, that actually looks like a twig with leaves.. when not moving. ( unless I'm wrong )
Shadows are creatures of light, energy beings (like the Vorlons). These insect-like forms are their encounter suits
Oh boy here we go. WWE TIME man I'm so excited.
I've always wondered, is Kosh appearing as Sheridan's father a sign of Kosh's arrogance? Or of Sheridan's respect for him? Either way, when you know what happens, everything about that "discussion" takes on a new angle, Most of all Kosh's almost pleadeing when he say "Its not yet time"!
Kosh appears as GKars father in Dust, so it’s his way to impart meaning to the vision. 8:55
After Babylon 5 (my favorite sci-fi show), you need to watch The Expanse (my second favorite). Like asap.
The death of a god .
"Interludes and Examinations"
🎶 It might be nice, it might be nice to have Hamilton on your side 🎶 #Ham4B5
But how does this all tie back to the Great Egg?
The white stars are semi organic. in my mind its why the Sheridan's white Star performs better and better against a Shadow ship
Doctor on stims.
Beware of unexciting sounding titles.
I said 13 psi!!
Next episode: Franklin gets a job at a tire and lube express.
A new P rating
I can not wait for the the reaction to WWE.
ITS a Station not a ship
LOndo not Lando come one!!!!!
But both of them enjoy cape-wearing, gambling, beautiful ladies, and making bad deals with shady men dressed in black.
So you missed the best part of the series so far. Thanks, you showed nothing of kosh's death. But who had him in the deadpool. Yea jog on🤣🖕