Babylon 5 Newbies React to 3x18 | Walkabout | First Time Watching
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And so it begins, not the war Gerard, the coalition of light.
I think it's pretty clear Lyta isn't a P-5 anymore.
Franklin is one of the show's most normal, flawed human characters. As such he is one of the most hated.
It's a weird thing. I watched the show back in the ninties when it was on tv, and I always loved Franklin. It didn't change when I watched it as an adult either. Like, not my favourite character or anything, but I really never understood the hate.
@@mirawenya I've always liked Franklin, I just know a lot of people don't
This is my favorite episode with Patricia Tallman (Lyta).. when she confronts the Shadow ship.
"We are all Kosh"
Now when Delenn told Sheridan the story of the last great war, she mentioned, that only one of the first ones remained...Kosh. Well what if she was right about it and they´re all...well more or less parts of the one Vorlon left?
"And so it begins..." Gives me chills every time.
I find it interesting that the reaction is "I don't care about this stuff get back to work" That is a little how Franklin views himself which is how the addiction started. Also, with all the chaos you can imagine other staff being like help or get out of the way even if unintentionally. Things like that can have consequences...
The singer that Franklin hooks up with is played by Erica Gimpel. She got her start on the TV series Fame in the 1980s, but she was also in the movie Freaky Friday, and made many appearances on many TV shows...including ER and Boston Legal.
She was in the movie Fame, not the series
@@txheadshots The movie was Irene Cara...TV show was Erica Gimpel.
And she’s gorgeous with a gorgeous smile dem boys would be lucky to have aimed at them.
She was also in True Blood she does have the teeth to be a vampire 😊
I always liked Patricia Tallman on B5, but i really became a fan when I learned about her second career. She worked as a stunt double for many of the women in the Star Trek shows and movies! She regularly doubled for Gates McFadden and Nana Visitor. She even continued this work while playing Lyta on B5. In the movie Star Trek Generations, when Beverly Crusher gets pushed off the holodeck ship into the water, that's our girl Pat doing the stunt.
Pretty easy to see Pat’s face in the fall off the ship. She did the fall off the dinosaur bones for Laura Dern in Jurassic Park.
She also played one of the protagonists in the 1990 color Night of the Living Dead remake.
"She even continued this work while playing Lyta on B5"
Makes sense.
Lyta has a significant part, but not a time heavy one and she was likely paid to match.
She almost certainly would have made more during this time of her acting career than any other, but supplemental income wouldn't have been turned away.
@@mnomadvfx She had two TNG appearances as well, both in prosthetic makeup.
@@mnomadvfx You can definitely say she was the star, or equal co-Star with Tony Todd, having been upgraded significantly from the original semi-catatonic Barbara and actually surviving at the end.
She also appeared in an earlier George Romero film, Knightriders, as Ed Harris’s biker girlfriend I believe. I honestly don’t remember the film.
@Gerard, Lyta is only measured as a P5 for PsiCorp as a Commercial Telepath. When she went to the Vorlon Homeworld, they changed her. We don't know how powerful she actually is.
@Michael "Who's ships are those?" The large green sunfish looking ships are Brakiri. They look almost human with those wrinkly foreheads and deep set eyes. When the Shadows first started fighting openly a few episodes ago, they attacked the Brakiri first. We saw them talking with the alien inside the space suit and the weird bug eyes in that episode, the other aliens were called the Gaim, insectoids. The smaller ships that look like airplanes are Drazy Warhawks. Drazi are the Purple/Green guys. The flying saucers are from aliens called the Vree. We only see them once, the Grey Aliens.
Funnily enough we see them only once in the episode where one of the Vree's is on trial for his grea great grandfather abduction another dude's grea great grandfather.
Ulkesh is the same Vorlon who you have seen on Minbar. He was ambassador there and helped build the White Star. Kosh and Ulkesh were the two Vorlons most often leaving their empire to deal with other races in the Galaxy. Yes, he is more militant than Kosh, a tiny bit younger and is now basically a grieving titan of legend, pissed off it´s partner/spouse was murdered. So when you go all happy about prospect of it going into war, I get cold sweat. Vorlons pretend they are divine beings to other races, you want that kind of ego and power on a battlefield?
JMS said that while Ulkesh and Kosh held mutual respect towards each other, they also harbored suspicion towards each other. Ulkesh thought that Kosh was too soft and allowed the younger races too much leeway, where as Kosh thought Ulkesh is far too short tempered and worried what might happen without him as a moderating influence.
The adventures of Sinclair/Valen the past continue 1000 years in the past where taught every race he met his favorite recipe: Swedish Meatballs.
Spoilers for books:
Catherine Sakai became a Ranger. Goes on a mission and ends up going back in time, meeting Valen and marrying him in the past.
Something you have to remember about Vorlons and Shadows... they are a million to a billion years in advance of us. We are ants, bugs compared to them. Do you care about bugs? Neither do they. Kosh really treated us like pets. Ulkesh, the new one.. is a dick.
Shssssh. 🤫🤐
More domesticated, they know that much at least
You speak too close to the third edge, they haven't even heard the second edge
"I want to see the Vorlon's full capacity"
No, no you don't! First Kosh was the carrot, this one, is the stick
"Hey Boy,I say,hey boy..y'all ain't ready for Immortallidee !" I'm loving the idea of a Southern Accent Vorlon ...
Keep in mind that JMS did almost all the writing for this show. Although he knew the overall concepts ahead of time, he spend nearly all his time writing on-the-fly, pumping out weekly script material.
"We are all Kosh" I'm torn between all the Vorlons being united as nearly one (like the Borg) or the Vorlons are so arrogant that they don't believe the other races deserve to know their real names. Z minus 21. Z minus 21.
Yes.
No, the Vorlons are seperate people, the new ambassador is called Ul'Kesh. It's a plan to not allow the other races to know that Vorlons can die
There's one subtle interaction in "in the beginning" movie, where Kosh and Ulkesh appear.
Kosh is the only one who introduces himself by name, where as Ulkesh stays just silent only acknowledging that he's a Vorlon, but nothing more than that.
This was also Sinclair's experience with Ulkesh, finding him cold and terse compared to Kosh during his stay on Minbar and in the past as Valen. He often wondered which of them represents the "typical" Vorlon.
They're not in a position to play it safe. War is coming, they are very much outclassed. They can't just hunker down and be defensive, when the shadows are on the move. Sheridan needs wins like this to hold this alliance together. It's a risk, but sometimes you have no choice.
The singer's story comes back in an unusual way
The constant complaint about the command staff seems odd. Sheridan is the leads from the front and doesn’t ask anyone to take a risk a he wouldn’t character archetype. Earthforce seems to operate on the Star Trek principal of sci-fi. In fact other then Space Above and Beyond or like Battlestar does any series not do officer boots on the ground?
Lyta knows that Kosh can travel around inside people. That's why she was asking if anyone was with him when he died. Especially as she things she herd Kosh talking to her in Sherdens office.
"And so it begins" (Badass quote always.) was Kosh talking and Lyta being attuned to Kosh (she did carry him around inside her) herd it.
"Walkabout"
🎶 Somebody tells me, “You’d better hide.”
They say Angelica and Eliza-
Were both at his side when he died 🎶 #Ham4B5
during the COVID lockdowns, a friend had a virtual Babylon 5 rewatch party while she recovered from catching it during the first outbreaks (she's a school librarian) I participated, but had caught my daughter's obsession with Hamilton,, and I started to notice how many Hamilton lines were relevant to Babylon 5, so I set out to match a quote from Hamilton to every episode of Babylon 5.
'fraid you're going to have to put up with them - I'm not just going to leave them on my shelf when someone is watching B5!
20:50 Oh, the sweet, sweet payback. The Shadows spent two seasons just killing Narns, but here we have a G'Quan class cruiser descending on a Shadow vessel like an eagle on its prey!!
The Telepaths used onboard Shadow vessels are P11 ans P12 as we saw in the episode with Bester.
Every single main character has at least 3 or 4 focused episodes on them. JMS is great at spreading the love and focus\character development around.
Of all the places I never thought I would hear a Ric flair reference, lol
Don't worry about the copyright for those songs. They were written by JMS (lyrics and basic melody) for this episode.
Breen, famously from the Narn city of I'Kea, which is also famous for flat packed furniture
People keep calling the new Vorl9n ambassador Ulkesh, but that's not his name. He literally says 'We are all Kosh.'
Ulkesh was a name invented by fans the same way you invented a name for him.
I like Dwayne
No it's canon, it's from the canon book "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" and from statements made by JMS so no it's not just a fan name.
I heard you guys say, you dont know what the writers were up to in this. There were no 'writers' per say. J. Michael Straczynski, creator of B5, wrote 92 out of 110 episodes. No one else has ever done such a thing. JMS wrote half of season 1, all of seasons 2 - 4, and most of season 5. So all of this is all part of JMS' big story which he plotted out in its entirety before the show was ever even made. He plotted it out a million years into the past, and a million years into the future. So Franklin's whole story with this woman, it is all going somewhere. I promise you that.
This is why shows today fail -- shows today are written by committees.
@@johnw8578There are dozens of successful dramatic narrative shows with writer rooms on staff. In most cases, it’s led by one head writer (most often themselves the showrunner). The Wire, Person of Interest, Fallout, Arcane, etc, ad nauseum. And that’s not even mentioning episodic and comedy shows.
I love Babylon 5 and worship The Great Maker but sole writer shows and writing team shows are not inherently better or worse. As always with a collaborative pursuit like television production, a great many variables must come together to produce a quality work.
And yes, this includes producer and network input.
In case you missed it, nobody's getting a happier ever after romance
@@johnw8578 Not just committees, but committees of DEI hires mandated to be a certain size by the union.
Guys, only a fraction of Shadow Battlecrabs have telepath cores. Teeps are still a rare resource, even with the blips from Earth.
I can see Kosh 2.0 doing a Hulk Hogan,ripping off the encounter suit and showing off the 12 inch biceps
I would buy a Dwayne shirt!
After staying with the Vorlons, Lyta went from P5 to PV.
Franklin is such a stud, lol
Kosh originally said "And So It Begins" and the end of season 1.
We took it as the war beginning
But I think he actually meant us unifying.
A lot of shows in the 80s would have musical episodes, with a singer or a concert or something. Some hated it, I enjoyed them.
I get what you guys are saying about Franklin, just look at it from this angle, he's a broken soul that has just one true genius, medicine, without that he's nothing. The worst thing about it is that he knows it, and it torments him, so he goes through life distracting himself A) By over working/ throwing himself at his one redeeming trait or B) Searching for validation from some external source.
Kosh 2.0 or Ulkesh, named by JMS but not on-screen, is clearly a nasty and powerful beast. Really frightening to thing of a being so powerful that just doesn't care for lesser life still being so close to us.
I’m looking forward to the next death pool. You all need to dethrone Michael, lol😊
Franklin's story is about him jumping to conclusions based on his own superiority complex. He just assumed that she was a junkie. He obviously has much more to learn on his walkabout.
B5 Hype! :)
"Dwayne" is the very same one that was in Minbar at the beginning of ep 3x16, and in B4 with Valen at the end of 3x17.
The singer (Erika Gimbel) wanted medicine for pain management, but didn't want to talk about her disease, since she must've thought it'd be a buzzkill. I didn't know any terminal patient that I didn't know beforehand their situation, so I don't know how realistic this attitude would be.
Bester, like all Psi-Cops, is a P12, but you missed a few clues about Lyta.
And don't rush to see the healing machine. Using that machine usually kills people. It was used for capital punishment, after all.
Damn you guys missed the rest of the song in the end credits. Sometimes B5 puts up additional sounds in the credits instead of the standard outro. There will be an episode in season 4 where you have to listen to the end credits (not spoiling the name yet) but I will remind you.
I LOVE THAT EPISODE! Back at the time of the show, I had an .mp3 of the song, it was that good!
Most fans agree with the guys, this is an episode where one story works and the other doesn't. We can be glad that the next episode is different...oh yeah.
Valen is not Kosh. That really was her singing. She's performed in a couple other shows back then as well. Kosh 2.0 saw ghe same things Lyta saw. Of course he was enraged. Kosh knew there would be retribution for his actions
Kosher……is he Jewish?😂
Didn't care much for Franklin's story here either. It was sort of out of place with things going haywire and he's backpacking in "Europe"...
And the shitty part here about the Psycic things is that Lyta Alexander was a wee bit altered by the Vorlons during her stay with them and isn't exactly a P5 rating telepath any more... And if the Shadows were importing Psy-cops for their ships, well, those boys tend to be P10 and above.
Yes, I've seen these episodes multiple times and I know what will happen, but no spoilers here.
Btw, love your B5 reactions. They are very entertaining... And your speculations are always interesting. You just have to try to remember that this was the first "non episodic" show with a clear plot running through it. JMS was making it up as it went along... Something worked really well, while others didn't do too well. But changed how the shows were made back then. All the respect to JMS for that.
9 Narn ships are not taking back the home word.
Bester is a Psy Cop, and that requires P12.
Franklin brings her back to his place, turns the lights low, pours some booze, spins up a platter with a little "Me and Mrs. Jones".
Then it's time to do the horizontal mambo.
According to JMS in the Usenet, the name of this guy is Ulkesh. "We are Ulkesh".
A reminder to everyone: Please, no spoilers.
Thank you, and God bless.
🔔 RAY: Thank you for putting in the thumbnail photo one of the hottest women in the history of Sci-Fi! 😉
We all loved Kosh 1.0 as a mentor.
Diet Kosh (Minbari attaché) was less cryptic but less interesting
Kosh 2.0 (Dewayne) DGAF and it's slightly creepy.
But on B4? That was only 1.0 and Diet.
Dewayne hasn't had any time to meet humans or Minbari
Not going to spoil anything but the next two episodes are fantastic.
Ivanova dyed her hair and Garibaldi's hair died.
I agree, Franklin's walkabout story is interminable.🙈 Thankfully there are other things happening too.
Its actually an interesting storyline just probably a little too deep for some audience members it seems.
@@tjtenser7828 Oh, I can appreciate the depth of a story, I just found this a rather dull, predictable and overlong one. Each to their own though.
Lyta left P5 behind a while ago. She's a match for Bester at this point.
It could just be that Kosh means ambassador in Vorlon.
Kosh's stated title is that of "Naranek". There's no mention of it in the show, but I believe it is mentioned in JMS UseNet posts. It's supposedly archaic form of vorlon language that means "speaker".
@@Ruosteinenknight I thought Naranek was his family/last name, sort of like saying Ambassador Johnson.
Haha all I can say is, having not a single guy who is interested in wooohoo all the time despite being a stud in the entire human leadership team would be rather one-note surely. If you looked like Franklin and was the Chief Medical Officer in a space station - it'd be more weird if he didn't get a constant line of ladies I think. I mean Gkar had to step down from the playboy position sadly so someone had to fill it lol.
They are both Kosh... That is the funny thing.
Well .... given you don't know what's coming for Franklin ... i'd say you're ok with those observations :) so far .. have no worries to speak yer mind
My thought is that Kosh is title or designation not a true name.
Dollar Tree Vorlon ;-))
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We don't know how many telepaths the Shadows got. The ship they intercepted might have been the first given them from the PSI Corps. So it's possible that the Shadows don't have many ships with telepaths in them.
The thing about the Narn ship. It's useless without Babylon 5. they need a base to repair and resupply. Without a safe haven the Centauri will hunt it down sooner or later. The more so the other ships they might recover. They won't get them combat ready without a base. Sure, Sheridan going himself was foolhardy, but without him their alliance will fall apart and the Shadows will win. With that any chance for the Narn to get their homeworld back vanishes.
What I never considered is that the studio might have mandated to have the doctor on the station as a main character. It's quite possible. If you look back, the doctor one of the main characters in Star Trek for classic and TNG back then. On Babylon 5 you could make a show of it's own about medical staff. It's been mentioned that there is more than one medlab on the station and with 250,000 people they will always have something to do. Especially as they have to look after the combat readiness of the military part of the crew.
Mufuggan DeWayne!!
Level P 5 is not enough to suppress a Shadow ship. Her level increased the moment Sheridan touched her. Guess why.
Coco Hernandez!
also .. you lads should check out some stuff like muscle distrophy .. and would shut the hell up with yer "it don't matter" when it comes to addiction talk.
My interpretation of "we are all Kosh" is that the Vorlon are not big on individuality, but they are not a true Hive mind. So individual names are not allowed. All are Kosh.
But they did have individual names. Kosh was their senior, their top dog. So, their allegiance was to Kosh, they all represented his principles
You are all so jealous…..Franklin picks up a good lookin’ woman and you all lose your minds. Like any of you would kick her out for eating cookies in bed…. 😂
I love the theory that she's a future Franklin
They seem to have major trouble being mature about any relationship in this show sadly.
Lyta is not a P5
She has been modified, she has gills to breath Vorlon atmosphere in S3E4 when she returned Franklin did a medical check up on her and determined she was in better health than when she left
Also, next episode, 19 "Grey 17 is Missing" is the worst episode in the show
There are 2 plots, Minbari which is great and Grey 17 which is just absolute nonsense
Yeah, Franklin sucks. He's better in season 4, though.
Dwayne it is :D
Pretty much every Franklin centered storyline or episode is worthless tripe, imo.
Speak for yourself. I consider him one of the most human characters in the entire series.
@@tjtenser7828 Same. I enjoyed the storyline with Franklin and I really liked the human aspect.
He's not my favorite character but this statement is pretty harsh.
It's okay to be wrong.