Incel Convicted For Planning Attack | Dangers of Unwanted Celibacy | Tres Genco Case Analysis
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It is good to finally see a parent that doesn't think their violent criminal kid did nothing wrong.
I don't think that is really a fair statement. I think a lot of parents are horrified by what their kids did. But that doesn't mean they don't go through different stages of grief and I don't think it means they stop loving their kid.
Yes! This mom may very well have prevented mayhem!
Mum did good!!
Right? How many times must we see this? I hope Ethan Crumbleys parents set a new precedent for parent responsibility of their kids. Maybe that will force parents to actually parent and pay attention to their offspring.
She’s the real MVP here. Deserves a medal (though I doubt she’d want it; at best, this is utterly mortifying)
This is what happens when you pay attention to the warning signs, so many deaths could have been avoided, bless his Mother ❤
I bet it was very difficult for her accept that her son that she loved with all her heart was a criminal but she basically did was right and thus, prevented a horrible crime
She did raise him.
You mean when you don’t pay attention
@@fonzarellyplay370 does he mean that?
@@christophergarza9118 No
"Personal improvement is associated with a lot less time in prison." Truer words have never been spoken!
It doesn't work.... He should have accepted that the market ain't for everyone and left...... The fact he didn't spill any blood and has to due time for not taking action and overthinking it means it was all for nothing..... Im pro. Acceleration or anarchy so I am somewhat fascinated by the incels... They seem to be generation X, s worse nightmare..... Yet the failed sexual revolution that generation x ever so proudly flaunts created the conditions for their situation....
Good! I feel bad for young men that are maladapted and can't get any chances with women. HOWEVER no-one has the right to anyone's body!! Teach your children this please.
They need to learn that if they want a partner, they have to work on themselves. People are not psychic, and as a woman I know many men who may he incel leaning. They terrify me. Just in everyday interactions at work. How do they expect even open minded woman to feel safe with them if they are out of the gate being borderline abuse in there interactions with just acquaintance at work? I have had a guy who I barley know try to randomly buy me a $600 camera if I would just date him. After I told him I was not even straight. Then he has gone on to make work when he is there hell. It is on the individual to make there own behaviour appropriate. Not one anyone else. Men who are like this get a pass to often. And as a survivor of csa and assault, I think men are now waking up to the reality that they are being terrible partners and terrible to people around them. And instead of taking accountability and growing and to change, they just blame woman. Or anyone else. If you have agency, you have the ability to not be abusive.
@@iciajay6891 firstly I'm so sorry what you went through as a child 💔!! No child should ever come across a depraved individual that hurts them, breaks my heart.
You are spot on in everything you said 💯!!
I researched these men and went on their sites, truly disturbing stuff.... for example many of them think that the government/society should provide them pr0stitut3s because its their right to have s3x 🤯. Shocking and crazy but also a lot of really sad things, like them posting their s*1cide letters. We live in a world where women FINALLY get to choose who they want to be with, not all women but more than ever before and this completed shakes up the status quo men are so used to. Unfortunately for them women have standars and like you said, they should work on themselves but they just blame women. Scary world truly..
We have to catch them before they go beyond the point of no return. Obviously mental illness in that community is rampant and many of them need help.
There is nothing more dangerous on the planet than desperate man that has nothing to lose.
I don’t feel bad for men who don’t work on themselves and who are entitled 🙄
Come on ladies. Take the L for the greater good. You only got to have sex with him once just to keep him from killing everyone LMAO
I imagine his Mother was so scared of him!! I would be! Good she called Police!
and it is just very sad when a woman has to fear her son more than she fears for her son
WELL WHO TAUGHT THE MAN TO HATE WOMEN??? THIS GUY LEARNED FROM SOMEONE!! DID DAD TEACH HIM?? IF AS A CHILD THIS GUY SHOWED SIGNS OF MENTAL ILLNESS IT IS PARENTS JOB TO GET THE KID HELP.
@@janecoe9407 Maybe you did.
@@janecoe9407 stupidest comment.
@@chuckharding6405 Haha.
im glad the mom called the police and they actually took the situation seriously when responding. without that, who knows what would end up happening.
She should pay him a prostitute. Problem of celibacy can be solved for as little as 20$ in Mexico.
@@mirianakovachevic748 those exist in the united states too, doesn’t solve the problem
@@t6ra What do you think celibacy is ? This is fake problem and propaganda for stupid masses. Low IQ men believe ( because of propaganda ) they should befrend women and girls before having sex with them. Not having female friends is not the same as celibacy.
I feel for the mother, all most want is for there children to be healthy and happy in life, it took great courage for her to do what she did.
"Personal improvement is associated with a lot less time in prison" lol
It really isn't, though.
Elliot Rodger's dad was a Hollywood director, and Elliot was conventionally attractive. Imagine how unbearable his personality was if looks+ money+ connections to Hollywood couldn't get him a pity date.
100% correct
Reading Elliot's manifesto confirms this to be true.
Yes
He was a short half white half Asian Manlet. He lived in a location where he was competing with tall Chads. He had no clout, wasn’t very attractive, and was socially slow. He had no chance.
@@mikemoggerson6651 You are delusional
@@mikemoggerson6651 Manlet haha That term gets me every time haha =)
“Personal improvement is associated with a lot less time in prison.” 😂 I love this man’s dry humour.
WHAT A CONCEPT: Do nice things for people... avoid prison!!!!
@@macforme Personal improvement doesn't necessarily involve doing nice things for people.
@@liamcraddock9539 Oh you're right...but doing nice things for people compared to going on a killing rampage could qualify as personal improvement.
@@macforme Yep. But a lot of guys are too high in agreeableness or are pushovers or act like "niceguys" (to use the internet term) and don't attract girls because of it. I've changed and struggle a little bit less now but this used to be a problem for me.
Right. The humor is what I tune in for.😂
I picture a feedback loop… greater failures w women, increased animosity, social attractiveness to women declining… etc. so much more research is needed. That was so informative! Thanks, Dr. Grande!
That just proves our point. Rejected by one, you are edging, rejected by two, and it's OVER.
my life
I heard that on some incel forums, if someone gets laid, they're shunned from the community.
Kind of the opposite of productive.
I've gotten laid before and I still feel like an incel, I've never tried to interact with the community though, so they probably would shun me, while simultaneously making fun of the way that I look. Really a fun bunch of guys.
That’s a contradiction
@@sethjoseph8152 exactly.
Yep. They are like a cult - when one of them doesn´t fit the criteria to be in that cult, he is kicked out.
Yep.
I went to college over 40 years ago. I had a lot of friends and roommates who were nice looking women; however the men didn't want to dance with them, or talk with them. These guys were looking for women with perfect bodies, they wanted women who looked like Farrah Fawcett or Christie Brinkley. (this was the 70's) These women were horribly rejected and yet they didn't turn to violence.
Great point! No one is entitled to a dating partner.
Women don’t get the best choices and skip over the scraps.
Men and other genders aren’t entitled to sex or companionship either!
This Incel mindset is entitlement on steroids. It’s ridiculous.
@@jhernandez7132014 so men can’t control their emotions because of their hormones 😂
J Hernandez - why? Have you done that sort of research? I highly doubt that. Also, just look at this dude and the rest of them - do they look like have high testosterone levels? Seriously? This guy? They generally look very average- which is not a bad thing, because average looking men have partners.
These guys don’t have partners because of their mindset and their horrible personalities. They feel entitled, although they have very little to offer in return.
Their fathers and grandfathers were able to find partners, for thousands of years, looking exactly like that, having way more testosterone btw. They just had a different mindset and weren’t basement dwelling manchildren.
i’m sorry to hear about how your friends were treated. i hope they’re doing well now and are happy
And outside of college, those women probably found good men or women who were wonderful partners. Frat boys are gross. Glad I went to college with my then bf/now husband. Not that I wasn’t hit on my gross frat guys who didn’t care about what I wanted in life, they just wanted to get laid. Gross.
His mother calling the police most likely saved Many innocent lives!
Excellent video, Dr. Grande!!
I applaud the mom for seeing red flags and taking the concerns seriously. I must be difficult to call the police on your own child, but she weighed her options and came to the conclusion that getting people involved was the best options. She probably saved some lives by her action!
I never got the crazy celibate stuff. Ive had my own droughts in the dating pool. All it made me do was work out more , hang with my friends more , excel at work and play more video games. I think the problem is less about women and more that they have no body. No women , no friends, no family except maybe mom or dad
and that they go online and decide collectively that women are the reason, and continue to reinforce that ideology day after day to more and more people.
Obviously. If they think that being in a relationship is the ultimate achievement of their lives, than they're clearly mistaken.
@@xXluluchanelXx Focusing on hate never served anyone well. But trying to be the best version of yourself certainly helps. I think with Internet, every village idiot found each others.
Having some droughts and having barely/ absolutely no chances for years and years are different things. They'll surely have different effects and different guys won't respond to these the same way.
The difference is when you’re having your droughts, you thought how to improved your quality as a person: working out, socialize, etc. They never thought that way, when they got rejected, they always blamed the women/society.
Why do so many men Believe they have a RIGHT to a woman’s a body or attention as if a woman is not a human being with their own BEING not just an object….but can’t or don’t understand the vibe that they give off as a creep to women
There are a ton of good looking guys who think like that and get plenty of chances with women. Besides, somebody could potentially think like that internally, but externally give off no sign that they thought like that. It doesn't always show through. If women could tell how men thought just by interacting with them universally and without fail there never would have been serial killers with wives or adulterers with wives.
Like why don't they just get those life like dolls? It's not a big deal . There is more than sexual desire at play imo
@@C_U_R_I_E_L well why can’t women get a job instead of stealing their husbands money
@@willnill7946 If you leave your tiny box, you'll see, there are millions of women who work and earn their own money. Many are completely self sufficient. Many women make more money than their partners. You pathetic incel. How about you take a shower and get out of the house for the day?
@Pierre: Exactly!! Bravo!!
I live in Hillsboro and actually served as one of the jurors for this case.. it’s cool to see it on one of my fave channels now.. Glad they caught this guy.
These entitled guys are scary esp when they get guns. Everyone gets rejected but they can't handle it & blame others. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊💙💙
Hi Zena - Why do people lump groups of individuals together? It is so obvious that no two people are alike! Hatred of groups is so dangerous!
@@bthomson what groups? OP said “these entitled guys”, assuming they’re referring to men like the subject, incels, or men who can’t take rejection like the rest of us. And feel actual anger at the people that are not interested in them
The group they feel anger at is the "group" I meant. To me women are not a group but individuals who either like an individual man or not.
@@bthomson Hi friend😊 I was specifically referring to the incels who do consider themselves a group but yes another group is women. Incels are so angry & self righteous they can't see there are many non-shallow females who base a relationship on trust, love, many things beyond the physical. Its generally the immature men who want the young, perfect female haha. Always great to hear from you🌻🌵💟
@Commando Knetter True but also joining groups that down the other sex, like incels, can reinforce the negative beliefs, make people less reflective, prone to group think.
The problem with incels isn't necessarily that they can't have sex. The problem is their outlook. They believe sex is owed to them. They see women as tools to fulfill their desires and not as actual human beings. Their entitlement is the problem. They'd have better luck with women if they changed their outlook.
Exactly. They're filled with so much bitterness and resentment, a lot of which comes from the feeling that the world has wronged them in a fundamental way. In the same way it's said that if you're depressed the best way to break out of it or at least cope with it is to help other people, these men would be happier if they saw life in this way as well. I don't like calling them incels anymore, because its derogatory and a lot of these men are in true pain, and I don't think making fun of them does any good, especially since many of them are just sad and unhappy, not taking it out on others. But these jaded men need help and support, and by learning that the world doesn't owe you anything because you're not the star, but that viewing human relationships as a fruitful, reciprocal situation where both people can get joy and benefit, would help them and all of us a long way.
Yes, they seem to be very focussed on looks as well. They are convinced they can’t get someone because of the way they look. It’s not that, it’s their attitude that gets in the way
That's why prostitution exists lol
@@han1660 They also expect to be able to date 10s when they clearly don't have the looks, personalities, or life success to ever merit that. Unrealistic expectations because mommy told them they're special.
As long as you refer to some women as hos, then using the term incel is fine. Otherwise it is embarrassing.
The mother is a hero. We all owe her a huge thank you
@No Soup For You Dahmer had a father. So did Gacy. Not sure WTF your point is. As if having a father makes a difference.
Your comment was that he had no father figure....I responded to what you wrote. I can't debate you over things you don't actually write.
And trust me I have done a lot of research on both examples.
that mother is a hero for puting her son in prison for life . best mother ever ...
She is a hero and he belongs in jail
Are you saying that its nature's law that some men can never find partners and yet its man's responsibility ? that's not the excuse. We as a society need to find a solution instead of blaming and shaming men for inherent bias in the nature.
Nature’s law is the bs they made up for justifying their decision to ostracize, ridicule and target people they perceive as lower than them. We both know how society treats people that don’t fit in.
“find a solution”? if men want to get laid they need to become more bangable. unattractive males are simply reaping natural consequences if they find sex difficult to access. what’s your “solution”
criminals really should learn how to delete their search history lol
They should remember to pick- up their laptops when they take them to a stranger for repairs too.
@@frankpaya690 Hard when you're licking kræk off the kræk of a kræk-hooar.
That mother is a hero
Compared to the ones who paid no attention
I love the focus on research and personality. Tying it all together like that really helps to understand this peculiar group.
If you want any info ask away. I'm pretty incel and pretty much sympathize with these types of guys.
@@j.b.3502 You're pretty brave for admitting this. The FBI is probably also going to be interested in talking to you lol.
@@j.b.3502 So, what's your story, homie? What all would you feel comfortable sharing here?
@@teru797 it’s not like it’s some “niche” group. It’s a very significant portion of young men who cannot get anything.
@@mc_zittrer8793 Well what do you want to know? Long story short, I've spent 16 years as an incel. Didn't know or have a name for it until Elliot Rodger brought it to the news but when I heard about it, I realized I have the condition as well.
Anyways, they said "work on yourself" and "be yourself" and all that so I did. I tried for over 15 years. I in my early 20s got my act together, went to college, graduated, got a good job, saved money, got a house, a car, and live all alone. And as far as I know, I dont have a bad personality, nor do I have horrible looks although I wonder if people are being nice about it. I've been described as average looking.
Anyways, throughout this entire time, I have not been able to get a girlfriend. I'm actually thinking of making videos about it and explaining all of what I did to try to solve my situation.
His mother is a hero!!!❤
I'm surprised it took so long for him to get arrested.
His mother is a hero! She probably not only saved her own life but countless other women who would have become his victims.
I hope she knows how wonderful and brave she is. She saved many many innocent souls with her ability to recognize the red flags and act on them.
And yet she failed her own son.
She failed her son, she may have saved others but she ultimately is a contributing factor as to why he was the way he was.
Thank goodness for his mother! Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
Respect to this mother!
I want to say THANK YOU to Tres Genco's mother! 🙏🏼 it must not have been easy to make that 911 call. Thanks to her action, a potentially deadly horrific mass shooting was avoided altogether. She deserves great praise. 🙌🤲
Cults and Incels are two of my favourite subjects, in some ways I guess they are one and the same thing and I love Dr Grande's take on these people.
They are certainly dogmatic and have many things in common.
The main difference between cults and incels is that people in cults have sex.
Some men have hostile attitudes toward women because they lack relationships with them. OTOH others have hostile attitudes BECAUSE OF their relationships. To put it another way: Starting intimate relationships is one thing; maintaining them is another.
Yes.
Both require risk and work to achieve.
It's natural for men to feel reduced self-esteem if they are not able to get sex easily. (Being able to get attention, and actually having sex, can be very different things, but that's another matter.) But it's worth asking: What are the influences that promote those feelings? I have a growing suspicion that our society has strongly promoted those cultural influences-in many ways, but especially in entertainment directed to the larger population.
there's a reason mass shootings happen a lot in America.
@@vice2versa Are you being taxed by the word? Please explain a bit more. WHAT reason do you think it is? And what is the connection between mass shootings and sex?
My husband of 33 years asked me what I thought the main reason was for happiness and I immediately said " low expectations! " Some men can only imagine being with beautiful, probably unattainable women. Lower standards might help!
Sure. Lower your expectations is great. However, that sounds like the motivational slogans about people choosing to be happy. It's not like someone has a knob they can turn down to lower their expectations, as much as people don't have a button that switches on happiness.
This is all true. But there are OBVIOUSLY only so many cheer leaders! But there are many more nice, friendly girls (women!) I would like to mention "Men don't make passes at girls that wear glasses" is as old as the hills!
the reason incels even exist is because WOMEN are the ones who refuse to lower their standards. average men are being rejected by average women simply because women these days have inflated egos due to social media.
I think a change in standards rather than lowering standards..just semantics maybe..but i think wording can and does make a difference in the perception of value..for instance shift the focus onto what is really of value in life and in a relationship..the true beauty and gold is inside and is not always reflected as a bright and shiny surface..so, i guess looking for what is real, substantial and true..but if a man possesses no depth to his own character, he likely is unable to perceive it in another person..much less have any sense of true value..so unless he is willing and seeks to grow as a human being he will continue to look for love in all the wrong places..as the song goes
That works both ways
"Tres responded to his mother's concern by acting like having the gun was no big deal." His having a gun wasn't a big deal. Lots of people have guns. What he was planning on doing with the gun was a big deal, however.
Thanks Dr. Grande. Very educational video.
The Y-collective - a German YT channel producing deep dives on societal issues - did a very interesting reportage on this subject. They interviewed, incels, social workers, psychologists and plastic surgeons and went to some of the incel forums. The whole thing really scared me. Asked about preventing violence, one social worker said: "Over time you will notice that some men just cannot be changed. They just can be stopped."
The last phrase is very true. I've tried to talk with some and they usually don't listen at all.
Very dangerous on society
Part of what MAKES them incels is fear and resentment of the idea of having to change, mature, learn, EARN someone's trust or affection in order to access the use of their privates. They want access to some female's body as TRIBUTE to their being men, as though just being male implies the right to regular sex and adoration from SOMEONE they find sufficiently hot to count as a "chick".
@@xminusone1 This man was working in a center that deals with men being violent to women in general, and obviously within the last decade or so increasingly more incels. And to imagine that these are the men that already seek help, and how big - and dangerous - the amount of men is that never do, makes it even more chilling!
One of the incels the (female) reporter interviewed did not even want to speak to her in the first place, that's how much he loathed and disrespected women!
He definitively was one that was unable to listen already...
They should interview sex workers, not social workers.
These uploads continue to get better and better. Thank you 👍🏻
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"Personal improvement is associated with a lot less time in prison" So true lol
I have never understood why it's ok for men to reject women but not women. You are absolutely right Dr. Grande in your assessments. Life ain't fair.
me neither
women rarely face rejection, men face it all the time so it's a lot more frustrating and sometimes a guy can snap after a certain amount of rejections.
@@goonzie95 You don't think a woman can?
@@shawnnewell4541 can what?
@@goonzie95 how do you know?
Thank you, Dr. G, for always delivering a thorough analysis in your inimitable way!
Sometimes incel behavior can be linked to autism spectrum disorder. So having social skills and personality improvement won't work for them.
I won't say I'm an Incel until I'm age 40
I'm autistic and a former incel.
There are men who fall into a gray area, where they can get women but not the “quality” of women they’re convinced they’re ENTITLED to. So many women have experienced guys like this, including me. I’d like to hear your thoughts on this, Dr. Grande. Even guys who have some social skills can be horrible to women in every way, especially when no one is around. They feel like they’re owed attention & access to any woman they want. This can even show up online, with guys who feel entitled to receive messages from women or expect women to offer up nudes etc. I think these men are narcissistic. I think they see all these things in society that basically cater to their sexual desires, which reinforces their notions that women owe them…right down to the commercials during sports events on TV etc. I’m in Las Vegas & so much of this town is sending men these types of messages as well. It’s everywhere you look. These guys can be dangerous on dates too. And on top of all this, there aren’t really any resources out there to help women deal with abusers like people think there are. Stalking victims can find themselves in a really bad situation where the police don’t even do much unless an active crime like assault is taking place. I know because I’ve been stalked twice for extended periods. People don’t even want to hear that a crime like that is taking place. If you don’t have any supportive friends or family, things can get much worse. The types of guys definitely feel over-entitled.
Every word felt! I’ve been stalked a few times myself and the police do absolutely nothing. I’ve had my home broken into, peeping toms, I’ve been digitally hacked and stalked too. It’s exhausting and I’ve felt so vulnerable, exposed, violated and unsafe. It’s mind boggling the amount of men who feel entitled to your body, personal spaces and privacy. It’s scary.
@@__jadedmuse__ It is scary! Sorry to hear you’ve experienced all that too. That sucks! People think the police will intervene & get the perpetrator to stop like the unrealistic endings in cop shows or the movies. “Just go to the police”, people often say. And as you undoubtedly know, restraining orders can cause more violence against women & even murder. Sometimes I think guys who feel entitled to women on social media are only a few steps away from being aggressive or violent on dates or being stalkers themselves. I know not all of them are so inclined, but it’s a huge problem in general that rarely gets talked about. I feel apprehensive about trying to use dating apps etc after being stalked. The guy who stalked me was sexually aggressive in person right away, as if he was used to behaving that way AND getting away with it. I’m curious what Dr. Grande would say on the topic of sexual aggression leading to other crimes, especially after he mentioned it in a true crime analysis.
I don't know if they're in fact narcissist but they are over-entitled for sure. These are what any father nightmares are made of. I've 2 adults daughters, 25-28 years old and it's something I have in the back of my mind. I know they're resourceful but they also know that if they ends up in trouble, they can call me anytime.
It's not a new phenomenon but what's different is that nowadays, they can found each others in forums and messages boards, giving them the impression that it's normal to think that way. I have met some of them and no matter what I said, they don't listen. They just call you names ( that mean nothing to me BTW like "beta, simp, and other ) and beyond any reaches.
They need professional help. It will make the world safer and maybe help them too.
I've watched a video about lions recently, and to hear the lion expert talk about how female lions need to submit to a new male introduced in order to try to build a pack. I think these incels feel like they are dominant, alpha male lions, and they deserve easy access to womens bodies, which WOW. It's a mixture of diluted think and narcissistic think, sprinkle in a dash of cruelty, u got Elliot roger
True ..I pray you are Oki today
I am surprised by the attitude that many incels have regarding what type of woman “should” date them. The assumption that they should date models and gorgeous knockouts is laughable. I know a particular guy from a former workplace who thought he was owed dates from attractive women. And he was definitely a 3 on the 1 to 10 handsome rating scale. And his personality was barely a 1.5. He wouldn’t admit that he was a very mediocre looking person. With a crappy personality. My sympathy generator just won’t fire up for this type of guy.
Men can dress great, smell good and b a good provider without having to b a 7-10. Personality, humor is what I look for.
@@tinawindham6958 people like you are rare, you can have realistic standards all you want that doesn't change the standards of most women these days.
@@tinawindham6958 Absolutely. I am ugly, balding and built like a hobbit. And I wear glasses. I’ve been told that I look like Wilford Brimley. And yet I have had an active social life and seem to have no problems finding wonderful women to date. And no, I am not incredibly wealthy. I’ve found humor and a positive outlook has worked for me in the dating world.
A 3 isn't mediocre. That below average.
@@hidesbehindpseudonym1920 Please... women don't have high standards. Most men simply just don't give 2 shits about how they dress or smell or look or present themselves.
It's amazing how gainful employment, interesting hobbies and a sunny disposition can attract a mate! Thanks for your thoughtful and concise analysis, as always Dr Grande.
If your employment is an even remote reason your other half is with you, end the relationship.
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 It's called reality. No one wants to work their ass off whilst their partner sits on their ass playing video games. Get a job.
@@kina18 If anyone is with me for any other reason than they love me, I'm gone.
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 Lots of people meet their spouses at work.
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 To each their own. Being someone's meal ticket isn't in my plans.
Thank you for another great analysis. 🙏🏼
Always interesting.
Thank you
Peace 💕🇺🇲
Heroic decision making on part of the mother, saved her own and many other lives.
What kind of mother betrays her child?
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 Good, her useless bloodline ends with her
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 I don’t see any betrayal occurring
@@sarahjaye4117 She narc'ed on her own son lmao
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030 True lol but it saved lives and someone needed to
The mix of humor with unrelenting professionalism never gets old! The Doctor is right again.
He is dead wrong actually. Male celibacy has increased to 30% now
You don’t need to know anyone in Greece to go there for ten days - it’s the cradle of civilization! But everything else about him was a creepy red flag so well done to his mother for calling him in.
And a potential disaster was averted. This does raise the question of the difference in mindset between those who plan and obsess over committing a serious crime and those who never commit, not simply because there was external, timely intervention.
It's kinda frightening. I'm not in a country where things like this happen alot but only one is too much. I shouldn't happen at all. But some people are beyond help. They can only be controlled.
Praises to his mother. See (hear) something, say something.
Spoke to this man before he got discharged off the army through basic training. He always gave me weird vibes.
The most unattractive thing a man can do is treat you like a potential conquest, earnestly trying to be something he’s not, then expecting you to reward him for his efforts with your favours. Then being angry and resentful when you don’t keep your end of a bargain that you never even made.
It’s like a dog doing tricks unbidden, then biting you when you don’t give it a biscuit.
No one is stopping you from chasing chad.
I want to lose my virginity
Good morning Dr Grande. With all the information online, I wonder if Trey wanted to get caught before he committed the crimes. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and informative topic.
"He planned to kill 3,000 women but he couldn't make it past his mother" I'm dying.😆
That the most amusing part
Love your work Dr Grande 👏 ❤️ 🙌
When I was incel I only wanted what I desired because I thought I deserved it more than the next guy. Then I realized there are no incels and I was ignoring the undesirable options available to me.
I'm sure there was a unattractive girl interested in him but he wasn't interested in her.
Exactly. That's why the joke about not wanting to be a member of any club that would have you is funny.
True. They only are interested in models and are so focused in being hateful than they don't even try to improve themselves. Improving what you can always make your situation better. Also, if they weren't entitled they won't be incel at all. Another thing: If you don't have other hobbies, can't take care of yourself and depends on your mother to cook for you or doing your laundry, don't shave, don't have a clean looking haircut, take 1 shower by week, no matter how attractive you are, you WILL stay alone because I'm not a woman but I know for a fact, that guys like I just described aren't attractive and these things are major turn off.
Girls and women don't want a kid to take care of, they want a man to share a relationship with. That's very different. Take this from an older man.
You are correct.
I'm a former incel
@xminusone1 you're right. I was an incel for 6 years
@xminusone1 I'm still a virgin but I don't have hatred anymore.
You're spot on well done Dr G 🙌
Wahay! I got love! Does that mean I can request a vid on ezra miller?? Need you to put me off him ( sucker for a pretty face! 😍). Thinking he's like the new Michael Jackson and was probably passed around Hollywood paedo ring as a beautiful and talented young actor. AnywY would love you to cover him 🙏
it literally is a 'problem' with society/another gender if one gender is more selective though
Can you really blame them for not wanting to date abusers? Incels don't have any respect for women.
That's a problem with them.
@@thismeaning9 I can see the Incel message boards dude. I don't have to date someone to see what they post online.
You don't have to date someone to get to know them either.
Dr. Grande in this case analysis I really like how you gave Mrs. Genco the credit instead of the paid professional investigators involved in this case for being able to determine that Trey's behavior leading up to his arrest was clearly a credible threat to the public. I liked your phrase used in this case analysis, "-the tendencies they already possessed-" too.
Good Grief! Terrifying! And planned it, and gave reasons??!!
I know, I was basically just thinking during this video, thank goodness he wasn’t able to go through with it!!
And usually things like this only make the news when they do.
Whew!
Thank you so much, Dr Grande. Very interesting.
Dr Grande, I was vacationing on Belleair beach in Florida this last week, and actually met someone who subs to your channel!
REALLY!! Omgoodness, notify the media!! Wow...
@@sheilagravely5621 what was that all about? I've seen your comments before. You're usually nice.. What the hell?
I know a ton of people irl who also sub to his channel. It’s a neat connection to make w someone. 🍻
@@__jadedmuse__ agree! He has a really friendly community of subscribers 🤗
I always get a good laugh from your dry sense of humor!
The best and worst thing about the internet is that everyone can find other people who share their interests or views. If you have a toxic worldview, you will find others who will support it. The "radicalization" of really any belief has become very common (Qanon for example). Not sure how this pans out over time but it seems it can get a lot more bleak, unfortunately.
Yes
I'm surprised you didn't mention any link between incels and vulnerable narcissism.
And autistic spectrum.
Rock bottom is feeling spiritually connected to Elliot Roger
Listening to doctor grande while studying: *chef's kiss*
A bit of a pointless exercise, seeing as how it is impossible to process reading words and listening to words at the same time. You would only be able to do one or the other, not both at the same time.
@@alostbard It's maths, chill
I went to Walmart today it was full of low value people.
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Why women love Chads?
I've probably said this time and time again, but I just want to say that I wish you well, Dr. Grande.
I really enjoy your professional standpoint regarding your subjects. Really digging the occasional attempt at humour in your videos, they're always worth a chuckle. :)
Hope you're safe and well.
Calling someone an incel in his title is super professional.
The subject of the video self identifies as an incel, so yeah, pretty professional.
@@eriklarson9137 😂 show me where the title hurt you
That was him with the police scanner codes. Thxs for the information. I remember that extremely well
Ty Dr.Grande
Their lack of self esteem is weaponized by giving these guys an enemy to blame for their problems.
Women are sooo into short ugly men with self-esteem. Lmao.
Hi Dr Grande, can you look into the most recently released episode of Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix? It's about a girl friend who (I'm partly speculating) shot her boyfriend in the head while he was asleep, and then then dismembered his body before dumping the parts along a highway. Tammy Renee Williams is the name of the killer girlfriend. She is currently on the run and hasn't been found for a few years now. Her boyfriends name was David, I forget the last name.
This sounds so interesting. I wonder if David abused her.
@@karyannfontaine8757 he did not, she was the abuser. She's just a psycho 100%. Normal people don't dismember bodies.
@@adamkern3548 Thank you.
I'm more mystified about the first episode. Mile marker 45 one
@@annazaman9657 that one's pretty crazy, but I don't think they identified the killer yet, unless I'm not remembering correctly. But yeah I wouldn't mind listening to something about that as well
There is a surprising word missing in this conversation - love. Sex is only part of a loving relationship that also offer companionship, security, friends and so on.
Clearly this young man was a danger and wrong in both potential retaliation and no clue in how to find a loving relationship.
While no one accepts this form of acting on anger, it would be helpful if women could be concerned with the growing trend of disaffected men with few attractive prospects, the majority who don’t act out this way. As a father with two daughters, I pray they will find a good spouse from a seemingly shrinking pool of candidates. With universities enrolling more women (mine is 60% women/40% men) and still promoting notion that women are disadvantaged while ignoring decline in males. The lack of compatible college educated men will not bode well for my daughters generation or society.
This incel trend is one manifestation of men with limited prospects trying to cope with their situation - some acting out in much more angry and dangerous ways.
Adding to this, dating sites and apps have completely skewed the market in favor of women, who now have access to a national if not global pool of potential mates. Short, ugly and even certain ethnicities of men (Asian-Canadian and Asian-American males in particular) have an incredibly hard time getting a mate in such an environment.
Okay
I feel so sad for the mum, but I also respect her very much for her decision. I hope she gets support.
As someone who has been in very toxic relationships and as a DV survivor, I think it's not healthy to blame oneself nor the whole opposite sex. What have worked for me is to focus on myself, what I want for me and take a break from dating and relationships. I guess the fact that depression lowers the libido helps too!
I do feel with item number 5, you are getting into the dangerous territory of the Zero Sum game. This is something that the Incels themselves promote. Part of this is the 80/20 Rule that Incels use to describe attraction. Citing, 80% of women go for the "top" 20% of men for partnering up and reproducing. Meaning that is why they are missing out.
Personally, I don't hold to this.
I personally think (and yes, this is just an opinion) is issue is more with the incels ability to form relationships NOT romantically just with a woman but just normal relationships with other people, particularly men.
I have spoken to Incels (albeit, online, well they claim to be incels) and the one thing that I noticed is that they have few if any male friends. They seen other men as competition. There is no bonding friendships with other guys. Yes, he is online on a community of Incel men but he is boasting. Boasting about what he can do. Like a one upmanship.
The issue here is relationships in general. What is his relationships like with other people in the community?
Move anywhere USA with no skills no kids and no connects and 0 hobbies or work too meet people? Hey be my friend .Disneyland.
Agreed
Alpha male takes all females so 80/20 is right, we are all animals (some smarter with culture but still animals)
Gee wiz wally will you be my friend ?
supposed instead of attacking the women who reject them, they were to attack the men who were in the way so the women are forced to choose them? and not to be crude but there is the oldest profession, they could pay someone to have relations with them.
I'm an autistic woman and was an incel but goddamn when i decided to become a volcel i just felt so glad to be done with the pressure of finding someone.
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You mean celibate? Sorry i hate when people use the term volcel its meaningless
Me too! People dont get it, tho. Sex is very important in our culture. Like money and cars. Im happily celibate! And debt free!
@@HerveyShmervy yes, celibate. I wanted to emphasize that it's voluntary out of habit ig. I'm from a culture where being old but single is looked down upon.
That is a small part of life. There is so much more in life than just finding "someone". Not to worry, perhaps you are better off alone.
Dr. Grande, they cut your talking about the Sponsor, for an ad! Nevermind. You're back!
Hey Dr G nice effects
Thank you so much for this video! Can you do a video on the new Netflix Unsolved Mystery? Tiffany Diamanté was her name she was hit by a train in New Jersey… it’s hard for me to feel like this could be anything but a suicide but her parents and their lawyer seem to think there’s something more to it, the longer I watched it, it had me questioning! I don’t know the layout of the land but it’s weird she didn’t have her clothes found and she got 4 miles in a short time. I can see it both ways as I’m a open minded person. Stranger things have happened I guess, but there’s generally an explanation for everything! I could see how she may have been living a more complicated life than her parents know and mental illnesses seem to surface more rampantly at that age.. I’d LOVE your take on it Dr. Grande!
Valiante
The statistics talk by DrG is so enjoyable 😍
I would roll my eyes at the guy and his manifesto if it wasn't so damn dangerous and deadly.
People's lives were saved but it was a close call.
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So this guy had to Threaten violence in order for you to take someone like him seriously???
Right? Dangerous, yes but so very pathetic!
Poor souls.
Hey Dr Grande, lovin the new camera
It sounds like Tres wanted to be caught beforehand. Maybe, this way, he can get mental help.
When a child fails to feel the warmth of the village, the child will burn down the village to feel its warmth.
When a child fails to feel the warmth? Is that a Freudian slip, or did you intentionally mean to say "when a child is surrounded by warmth but does not acknowledge the blessings and love he has, and fails to feel it."
Yes no. Warmth of the village is like community… not entitled to sex with others
This is an ancient African proverb, stating that when a cognitive mind is neglected it will use its intellect to hurt those neglected them, and if it's a society they feel his neglected them they will attack it and burn it to the ground because that makes them feel better. Because they have felt hurt by others they want to spread their hurt. We don't have communities anymore that pull people in and make better systems we have a bunch of selfish narcissists that tell you to work harder to get where they're at when they stole from others.
@@nicholkola9975 keep coping
@@StillNotMarble No. It´s about people who get bullied everywhere for not fitting in, so they end up mentally fu*ked up and seek revenge on their bullies.
The thumbnail told me all I need to know about this kid
Hi Dr Grande!!! ☺️😘
A lack of sexual intimacy in one's life can be a drag. I've had some pretty long dry spells between relationships (2 years at one point) so I get maybe being a bit frustrated, but the idea of wanting to end the lives of strangers because other strangers didn't want to play doctor with you is simultaneously the most childish and terrifying thing I've ever heard.
Life of prison 😱I mean he didn't kill anyone at least they would give him a more short time on prison like 10 yrs
It's like fr he just committed a lil mistake
That’s the American justice system for y’all
This mom did the absolute right thing. I hope he finds the help he actually deserves and later in life, actual love with a decent partner (- instead of hate and sadness and isolation). Had he committed the horrific crime, he wouldn’t stand a chance in future. But... thanks, mom, for being a hero. :)
Love this voice that relaxes me to sleep
Yep.
Unchecked hypergamy is going to continue creating these people
No sane man want to be celibate by his own. But sometime he may acknowledge to himself that he will be unable to carry on his responsibilities of loving and caring for the woman he want to marry. So he back off because he doesn't want to harm the woman he loved.
T-GRANDE ON THE LOOOOOOOOOOOSE
Once again Dr. Grande speaks the truth and gives great advice, unfortunately I doubt many self-proclaimed incels are watching this video.
A lot of times these men, though want supermodels, they want these most beautiful women in the world and won’t accept anything less.
Most of the time they are fine with an average woman. The average woman want chad and tyrone.
The expectations of women have gone up so that men of below average looks have a harder time than they used to have. There are a lot of men who would be fine with the below average looking woman but can't even get that. A lot of guys who are involuntarily celibate don't feel entitled they just feel embittered that they can't get a chance.
@@hidesbehindpseudonym1920 If they aren't given a chance. there's a good reason for that. They need to better themselves. Most women just want a mentally stable guy who isn't an asshole. Nobody is ever attracted to a pathetic person.
@@zenawan2627 you sure?
@@zenawan2627 ⬅️ found the incel