I was molested by a friend of my brothers at the age of 6. I told my parents and they confronted his parents. They literally threw my parents out of their house and my brother wasn't allowed to see him again. His parents never believed that their son could do something so horrible. You never know what anyone is capable of.
I imagine later in his life, his parents knew. I wonder if his parents prayed for forgiveness from you. Anyways, tragic, sorry for your pain. God bless
I am sincerely sorry to hear that. I hope one day you'll be able to find justice, as I do for every real victim. In the case of Michael Jackson however the difference is there is a lot of evidence against the accusers that expose their financial motives and hole-ridden allegations; absolutely nothing adds up with them.
Silver Bullett Your case doesn't speak to MJ's technically, but I did see those sorts of "My child can do no wrong" parents when I was growing up. It caused a lot of distress for a lot of people I will say.
@@Eyes-of-Horus it's a good thing facts don't care for emotions. That's why MJ was acquitted resoundingly FOURTEEN times in spite of the fact that there were so many malicious people gunning for him. "The man is innocent - he always was" Tom Messereau.
@@apersonwhoknows the reason people support Michael is because the FACTS and evidence catastrophically undermine all the allegations made against him and overwhelmingly support his innocence. Anyone who exercises due diligence will rationally conclude that HE was the victim.
By the 80s he was the most recognized human ever to have existed by an order of magnitude. The Beatles were bigger than Jesus, MJ was more popular than the Beatles.
But Dr. Grande probably wasn't born, certainly not old enough to be following music trends, when Michael Jackson was part of the Jackson 5. Jackson's career as a private artist did take off in the 80s when Dr. Grande says he was a kid.
Such a weird story from any possible angle. An adult befriending kids, even sleeping in the same bed without feeling extremely awkward or being aware how suspicious this looks. The parents of the kids involved in this being ok with and supporting this friendship. And the huge amount of money on top of it all that gives everybody involved their own incentives for doing nefarious things.
@@sweetdreamscr are you kidding? no parent of any child involved with MJ has said that parents could spend the night in the room with them. the doors would shut and michael would be either alone w a child or alone w multiple children.
@@Donyalicious ARE YOU? None of the kids in Living Neverland slept alone with Michael. Where is the evidence showing that they could not be there with the kids? I will wait....
One interesting thing that Macauley Culkin has said was that Michael didn't really enjoy meeting or hanging out with other adults aside from a select few. To Michael, all the adults were just interested in his money or a business opportunity, whereas kids could actually see him as a friend. He also mentioned that the kids Michael chose to befriend were aspiring child stars. This is important because Michael wanted to protect them and provide guidance to them because he knew how cruel the industry can be.
@Tararyze 11 bs. MJ remained friends with those, who didn't turn out to be vultures. He even helped Robson's and Safechuck's career. It wasn't his fault they couldn't really make it (esp Safechuck). However he remained cloes with Mac Culkin, Brett Barnes, Emmanuel Lewis, Mark Ronsond and Sean Lennon still speak fondly of him, He remained friends with the Cascio family (which he probably shouldn't have, either), the Schleite family and God knows how many more. Mac keeps defending MJ - yet you believe - agaisnt his own words, which he repeated over and over again, under oath, in public even against his own interests... - he lies about being MJs victim? You are utterly dumb. And you obviously haven't read ANYTHING about this topic. I mean anything reliable... Yet you comment about it... You should have a better judgement: never comment about something you don't know sht about.
@Tararyze 11 you’re litteraly just talking biased at this point everything you’re talking about is an accusation against the biggest artist at the time, maybe actually do research and stop believing everything you hear on the internet
Okay but your whole experience with him would be completely over tv and magazines. So that makes your perspective also not factual. From the looks of it you’re young, so am I. That means it’s very likely that you have no personal experience with him at all. Your argument can completely be turned around against you, so think about that next time you post something that controversial. Also you are talking about pedophilia that’s a very sensitive topic.
@Sally Ann we are not talking about you being a fanatic for 40y we're talking about someone who was being accused of pedophilia and he was ACQUITTED. There is no need to be a fan to know and search about the subject and allegations of 93,2005 and last year. Ppl are so manipulated by all these claims that they don't want to know the truth.🤦♀️ pathetic.
I met and conversed with Michael Jackson on a plane trip from El Paso to Dallas his brother's sat behind me and Michael to my left. Their father, Joe was seated up toward the front of the plane. Michael was to perform for the Ed Sullivan show in New York. Before boarding the plane, I saw Michsel practicing dance moves before boarding. I got the impression that his brothers were indulgent. But during the flight, Michael chewed his fingernails and focused on Joe, who constantly called Michael forward on the plane. The parental control he was subject to was overwhelming. I see Michael as a nervous and frustrated kid who just wanted to escape the controlling adult world. Children would be his escape. But Children grow and change rapidly. So their presence would never be on a plateau like adulthood. So, he sought out more than a few. This would be his neverland.
That's a really good analysis. I agree. I don't think he sought out s*xual gratification from children. He definitely wanted an escape, to be a child and to maintain a presence of innocence that was robbed from him by fame. Who could blame him? He just wanted to be the child who he wasn't allowed to be.
@@Anal_Flute there's nothing wrong with wanting to experience a childhood that was robbed of you. but as a grown adult you're gonna raise some eyebrows when your pursuit of a childhood includes sharing your bed with minors. that's when you break the law, people get pissed and the witch hunt begins.
@@haintedhouse2990 Yes, what does recovering a childhood have to do with sharing a bed with children? Maybe he would like to play with children and appreciate their energy but children don't regularly share their bed with other children anyway.
He was still friends with them all when they got older The Casio's worked for him, Mac was Godfather to his kids, Wade wanted to get married at Neverland, James did get married at Neverland. And Bret and 3t still were around.
@@jayaom4946 yes they do he grew up sharing with all his brothers. You do not sound like you had a lot of fun growning up. I have shared a bed with several friends even after a night out when i was older, no sex or any thought of sex involved.
When your a grown man you don’t spend the night with children in your own bed. It’s weird and it’s wrong. He should have known this but his fame and power got in the way of his judgement. Michael had a ton of psychological problems stemming from his childhood and his abusive father. He didn’t have a proper childhood and decided to have another childhood as an adult. He was a 50 year old child. Dr. Grande is right, we don’t know 100% if he was a predator but his weird behavior made him look guilty.
It's weird to us, but our mistake here is judging his behavior based on our intuition. He was chemically neutered by his father to keep his high voice which caused all kinds of development issues. People who talked to him said his interest was that of a 12-year-old. Comics, cartoons, etc. To me, it makes perfect sense, given these facts, that he would feel more comfortable with children in a non-sexual way.
@@Wtiberon True and by even our judgment the way this all could have gone down in the path of Michael’s he could have made a choice to take those issues inside and make his feelings towards children a sexual thing or not. An I believe he didn’t but sense everyone just focused so hard on his interest and mental stress of not having a child hood they assumed the worst. An thats sad but I’m not saying it’s easy to not assume that way either just the sad cases of some pedophlies they were molested and then done the same to their victims. But we should keep an open mind because that victim can have a choice to be better..and not harm anyone else and that’s what I think Michael made that choice but how hard the media was..I don’t he had a chance to even be taken seriously.
Michael Knapp Yes we can know if he was predator or not, it only takes a few hours of research to find how where those allegations originated (NAMBLA pedophiles who targeted him since childhood and one of them assisted Evan Chandler to concoct allegations) and how absolutely ridiculous they are for literally hundreds of reasons. His sleepovers have nothing to do with fame and power. What power did he have anyway when America treated him like less than human any nobody could tell any lie about him and get away with it? MJ grew up sleeping with others all the time including unrelated adults who treated him better than his own father. He literally considered sharing his bed as an act of hospitality. Also, he loved strangers like family. That is an alien concept to most people. People fear what they don't understand and what they fear they want to destroy. Keep in mind without money and jealous being a factor MJ would have never been accused.
@@scarletshadedblack6502 Wade's dad killed himself because his wife left him and took the kids to states and the man was also an alcoholic. What does his suicide have to do with Jackson?
@Sally Ann grandma your dementia is acting up. I never said Jackson was hardly ever at neverland so I have no idea what this " Highlighted reply Sally Ann 8 minutes ago (edited) Lola why do you all say that Jackson was hardly ever at neverland but then spend your lives going on only about his room AT neverland? " is about. I stated a fact that his room was the size of a house and who is " you all " supposed to be? I spoke on behalf of myself . Are you okay grandma?
@Sally Ann this is getting sad now. Clearly something is wrong in your life that you are are all over the place calling people liars and looking for attention. It was funny for about a minute but now it's just sad. You are too old to be this desperate for attention.
Even if Michael Jackson didn’t do it, the fact that he had young boys spending the night at his house without other parents around, and in his bed, is just weird. That crosses so many boundaries in itself.
Why do you like to preume they were on their own? It is very obvious that their parents were always there too Fact. If you can prove they weren't, go for it. Tabloid media won't count.
I totally agree with you. I would NEVER have let my child have a sleepover/s with an adult. I don't care how famous or rich the fucker was. It's a major red flag. Having said that... Michael was an oddball. He lost his childhood thanks to mean Joe. But I really don't think he sexually abused any children. Not 1 famous rich person/ child has ever said he touched them. Like the Doc says, He should not of settled. I understand it was a nightmare for Michael, but think about this too... If you were 100% convinced your child was molested, would you want Money, or would you want that person in prison so they can never do this to another child? The parents of the child were perfectly happy taking the 22M. Now.... what if he were guilty..... I guess that makes the parents Pimps! Shame on them!!!!! I still believe to this day Michael was the victim. He was a strange man that acted like a child in many ways. Immature. Trying perhaps to have the experience of what normal children have in the sleepover thing, and making friends. Strange.... yes. But that alone does not make him a pedophile.
@@dragonflysteampunk4266 one of the main reasons he settled was because his team and lawyers advised him too because if a case goes to civil court before a criminal court then all the evidence would have to be laid out and if the accusers team had inconsistencies and holes in their story they could then change dates and evidence and that would leave Michaels defence going in blind. It makes complete sense that he would want to pay them. It’s strange to me that even when the 1993 accusations went to court the parents didn’t want to be involved anymore and refused to testify
@An Armchair he only had 2 before he died, one in 1993 then again in 2005. So he abused 4 boys even though he was around hundreds of children throughout his life? Each family that accused him have holes all over their stories and a clear financial gain
I went into show business and started doing concerts at age 14, and my emotional and social development was seriously arrested at that age. I’m still learning how to be an adult. So I can only imagine what doing concerts from age eight would do to Michael’s development. I believe Michael’s development was arrested at eight and thus he felt confident and at ease with other little kids, because that’s how old he felt inside. In show business, you get used to a very unusual way of relating to people, because you’re on stage and everyone else is clapping for you and loving you - not the real you though, only the performer. Then you go home and you’re all alone again. It’s very extreme. You begin to get “off stage fright”. You know you can sing and play but how do you talk to people? I’ve got fourteen years of normal life to draw on, but Michael only had seven or eight years, and those years were far from normal. Plus he was a million times more famous than I ever was. Maybe children were the only people who related to him as a person and not just a celebrity.
A handful of people enter careers in showbiz at a young age but not all of them are asking young boys to sleepover without their parents for who knows how many nights.
Bb 8 I hear what you’re saying. I saw a book MJJ gave one of his child friends and it was called “Boy”; full of photos of naked prepubescent boys. I thought it looked very pedo. I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but he doesn’t make it easy...
Bb 8 yes, I can’t understand how people are so naive here. He had kids staying with him in his bed - yes that can be done innocently, but an adult spending majority of their time with kids, in locked rooms, or bedrooms, never having a proper adult relationship, his kids weren’t even his biologically. It’s very obvious he was either a pedophile, or asexual with the mind of a child.
I cannot wrap my mind around parents letting their kids spend the night with him, or really spend much time at all with him. You are a parent. Protecting your children is your job. Do your damn job.
“This movie was exceedingly boring...I’m not a fan of boring things..I found it to be kind of a waste of time.” 😂🤣🤣 Dr. Grande you’re my new favorite channel. Finally, content that is educational as well as entertaining. Thank you so much!
Marcee F I haven’t been very tempted to watch it. I’m kind of tired of this subject with MJ who’s been dead for years now. No matter if he was guilty or not, he’s dead, what’s the point of rehashing this in a movie at this point? I grew up in the 80’s and I adored him🤷🏼♀️
@@teamcougars - as TheDizzleHawke says - to bring awareness to the problem of child sex abuse - but also because those he hurt are still alive and their lives have been affected by their experiences. This film shows how predators like Jackson operate and that is valuable information for all of us: too many people have unrealistic notions that sexual predators grab kids in a dark alley and rape them, or are hateful people that we can identify easily. This film showed that often times their victims love and respect the person who abuses them - this leads to them denying the abuse when asked as they wish to protect their abuser. Guilt over sexual behaviour - still far too prevalent in most societies - also acts to silence abused children - this film dealt sensitively with all of these issues. I do not agree that it was boring - I found it riveting and informative.
@@honeychurchgipsy6 Exactly! That is why Leaving Neverland is so important. I suspect many MJ fans are afraid to watch it because they might actually believe the victims. I found the documentary to be many things, but boring was definitely not one of them.
Culkin said the alarm system to the bedroom was installed after a home invasion. Allegedly a crazy fan got into the house and hid in Michael's closet. Naturally this freaked him out, and the story goes that he installed this security system around his bedroom to help him sleep.
It was to get notified of employees who used to sneak on him and listen to private conversations and sell them to the tabloids for hundreds of thousands of dollars. The secret hideout was the one created because of that particular incident
@@josephg6260 Culkin described the alarm system during the trial, and also talked about it in interviews. I think the part about the fan breaking in being the cause is hearsay - but it’s true that people did break in.
The thing is when you are in an abusive relationship, if you "love" that person you will deny that they did anything wrong. It's when you are able to come to terms with it, it's when you can talk about it openly. At least that was how it was for me.
World AL You probably just don’t know many cases of molested children. It’s horrible, but more often than you think the children fall in love with their abuser and only acknowledge their situation long after it’s over.
@@stephaniebm However, there are people, who MOCK real victims... for their own gain. Remember the Salem girls? There were 2 girls, who accused a few people with being the devils servants and practically abusing them. And people believed them, because they showed the symptoms... Over a hundred people suffered because of two girls wanted attention....
I was abused and think he didn’t do it he had house staff on the estate all the time the mothers hopefully can’t be that stupid so they must have trusted him.
I’m sorry @SallyAnn but you do NOT know me to make such affirmative statement as to say that I did not watch it. However, I’ll respectfully respond to the congruent portion of your odd reply to me & gladly explain you how to review & evaluate media content. Even if someone had not accessed or had limited access to a documentary or let’s say a movie for an instance, you can perceive how something is well-constructed in the way in which they outline their central ideas, whether the vocabulary & mannerism is biased and/or discriminated, conform their explanatory argument, and unify their findings in the closing remarks in way in which the general public make reason of it. I hope this helps xo! Blessings 🙏🏻💫
@sallyann Hello, it is called being an adult. Having different points of view, and BEING AFFECTED DIFFERENTLY BY THE SAME THING. I watched it, as soon as it made it to HBO, and there are many things that appeal to me as a human being, and there are other things that are highly QUESTIONABLE. But I am NO ONE to come on here and OPENLY go against Dr. Grande or any of the individuals whose opinions differ from mine. THIS IS THE LAST RESPONSE I AM GIVING YOU CONSIDERING THAT YOU ARE EVEN CURSING AT ME AND I DO NOT HAVE TO ESTABLISH CONVERSATIONS WITH A PERSON THAT CARRY THEMSELVES IN SUCH QUESTIONABLE WAY. LIKE, IF I AM A STRANGER AND YOU TREAT ME LIKE THIS, THEN HOW DO YOU TREAT THOSE AROUND YOU?🤔 Blessings🙏🏻💫
@Sally Ann There you go bullying, insulting & name calling again. You are just a low class, morally bankrupt, hater troll that thinks just because 2 destitute, proven pathological liars starred & acted in an abomination of a disgusting film, devoid of any facts or evidence, a film which promotes the pro - pedophilia NAMBLA narrative & vocabulary, is highly manipulative to emotionally brainwash gullible, and non critical thinkers. One sided on purpose with more holes in it than a cheese grater - based on word alone by 2 accusers - not victims - replaces a verdict by a Judge and Jury?. Nope. It is so excruciatingly boring that most people figured it was a far -fetched fraud based on the 3 hours of drone footage, no substance and very bad acting by 2 cowardly frauds - Not victims - trying & failing to extort $millions by falsely accusing an exonerated in life, conveniently dead man. THAT'S what YOU support. YOU are disgusting.
@@jennikaesquivel-mendez1002 It is a troll. It attacks anyone and everyone with an opposing view or opinion. It even insults Dr Grande. It has taken up residence on this video along with a handful of other trolls, with numerous fake profiles. It/they have mental health issues. This would make an interesting case study for Dr Grande.
I remember years after Michael Jackson's death. One of his body guards answered a question "Did Michael Jackson have a secret room?" The guard said "before Michael Jackson moved into mansion it was owned by a rich person. That person had a safe room installed. When Michael Jackson moved in, the safe room was used when people would drop into the grounds. Michael Jackson would gather his family, and stay in the safe room." The person asked the guard "what do you mean drop into the grounds?" The guard replied "people would use a parachute."
It was mentioned, but one of the most important considerations to me is that he was so very famous and rich. The fact that so many people depended on him for money or wanted money from him throws shade on their motivations - this goes for people who would defend him or the people who say they were abused by him. It’s difficult to know the reality of the situation when everyone involved is potentially compromised.
i think some people forget that wade and james mentioned another childhood friend of michael claiming he was abused as well to back their stories up ... but this guy responded saying that no he was actually never molested and that wade and james were lying and literally sued them
@john doe well you have to look around, people is not going to be making the task for you. I searched a lot of stuff and I just let it go, but I know that if I look again I would find, just go ahead and research deeply, RUclips will be helping you to do the task, they will be sending you pros-and-cons videos, people who are defending him, and against him, so then you can make your decision. There are people from all kind of filds all kind of careers, all kind of backgrounds, people who are fans, people who are no fans, and a lot of stories that they analyze and show details of their analysis. I concluded Michael was innocent You can conclude different from different sources, but you had to see both sides, as the doctor says, if this documentary was so true why it is not showing the other side?.
I graduated with a post graduate degree in documentary filmmaking, and I want to address a common misconception. Many people think that a documentary is supposed to provide all the information on a topic (ie: both sides of a story or all of the research), however the foundation of documentary film is simply non-fictional storytelling. Documentaries are just capturing life or a story as it is happening in real time. In the case of a film that is retelling the story after the event has occurred, you are more likely to have a lot of research and development prior to filming & as a result have more information provided. Documentary films should never be mistaken for or replacing investigations or research.
Or Court Documents, files & unadulterated evidence of expulpatory innocence. A tv film, made for profit, by two proven actor con -men & their equally, extremely nefarious 'director'.
@@Angela-gc3kr to be fair, James or Wade had zero financial gain from appearing in Leaving Neverland. Subjects and individuals can't earn any money from being featured in a documentary. The first thing we learn is that subjects should never ever be compensated for appearing in your film. And I looked into Dan Reed's audits, and neither James or Wade were paid.
@@kallymcdonnell The thing is that they are actually suing the MJ Estate for 1.5 billion dollars yet they claim their accusations have no financial motivation. Safechuck’s got dismissed a couple of months ago (for like the fifth time) and robson’s may be as well.
@@thecollector4332 yes, you are totally right. James and Wade could have pursued legal action & filed a lawsuit. However, a lawsuit and documentary are separate channels of income. I stated that they didn't receive any financial compensation from appearing in a documentary, and that is true. James and Wade were not paid by the filmmakers for appearing as subjects / giving testimony, they do not own the documentary, and they have no rights to any residual profit of the film. If either of the men have financial profits from a lawsuit to the MJ estate, then they would be receiving income form the lawsuit & that is not money earned from the documentary. I hope that makes sense.
@@kallymcdonnell I completely understand that, but the point is that they have lied insisting they have nothing to gain from the estate and that they aren’t doing what they are doing for money. Wade at first pursued a book deal for crying out loud.
I feel like Michael Jackson was the only one who didn't change his story every 5 minutes. His accusers and now people who worked for him seem to have very changeable accounts of what went down.
Childhood trauma can critically impact memory. I have major gaps of my childhood that are missing from memory and sometimes the brain wants to fill in the gaps. It doesn't necessarily mean the abuse didn't happen, but certain details around the trauma can change.
yeah well when you live in your own reality completely separate from the real world, it’s easy to paint your own narrative. that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a predator.
Maybe you didn't mean to come off as rude but it did hurt a little. As a childhood sexual assault victim, I don't "live in my own reality " just because some details may have changed. Was his shirt orange or yellow, I can't say exactly. As a child you don't have the vocabulary to describe certain events accurately. I was simply stating that perhaps the "story changed" as more memories came up or little details might change but the overall story is consistent. But I think MJ showed a lot of grooming behavior that I can't overlook.
@@kittyticklehips I didn't say he wasn't a predator, I was referring to the people who have a financial gain in the situation changing their stories over and over again again.
I’m late to the party, but I feel that somebody have to point out that an adult man should not be sleeping in a bed with young boys unless he’s related to them. There’s something wrong with that in itself, whether or not he touched them.
Also of note: one of the maids, and one of the star “witnesses” in that movie, was fired by Michael in the 90s (I believe- don’t quote me on exact dates) and subsequently lost a lawsuit and was sued by Jackson. I couldn’t think of a more believable motive. Every single person who accused him of anything had something to gain. And those who didn’t need the money or fame- at least not as much(Macaulay Caulkin, Corey Feldman, and Aaron Carter), said their relationship was one of the purest, safest, and most innocent in their young lives.
As someone who was a victim of abuse since childhood I understand how victims can not understand what they experience was abuse, I was in my 40’s before I could come to that realization. But I never changed my story, I always knew and could tell anyone exactly what had happened. I don’t want to claim a person who is a victim is just trying to manipulate the system. At the same time people who put out false claims ruin it for those of us who are real victims. I will never be able to come to a real conclusion about MJ.
I saw some of their interviews in Leaving Neverland, and I think that they definitely knew what happened, but that Michael managed to persuade them that he needed their help to save him, and their protection against the accusations - so he cast them as the heroes in their own little fantasyland, and that's why they denied all the charges back then. I found that quite believable - but then, I am neither a psychologist, nor an abuse victim, so I wouldn't know to which point you could actually be gaslit into defending your abuser.
Interesting. Thanks 🙏 for adding. I lost l my son age 39 two years ago. He told me the year before he died what happened to him age 7. He sadly self harmed and took meds and didn’t deal with it to well. I know what he went through. You have to be so strong to carry abuse.
@@lenkacfk7155 For me, when I watched the documentary for the first time without having any prior knowledge I initially found it believable. But then I started doing research. The explanation they said in the doc of being manipulated and why they changed their story is believable until you actually read court docs. They changed their stories about 6 times over the course of their lawsuits alone. Their stories kept evolving with each contradicting the last over the course of the lawsuit. Like looking back doc after reading court docs, there are many things that really do not make sense and they left out a lot. Like one that that really jumped out to me was Wade’s story of when he was first abused. When you read his and his mother’s depositions on Wade’s first claim of his abused it completely does not make sense.
Unbiased? Todd Grande is obviously a Michael Jackson fan. That seems to be clouding his judgment, like that of many other fans who refuse to believe the artist they grew up with, and whose music they loved so much, was a pedophile and child molester. Meanwhile, a ton of other psychologists who are experts in the field of CSA believe the victims. The mental gymnastics some people do to justify sleeping with dozens of little boys, switching them for younger ones once they age out, taking them on world tour (all the while never sustaining a credible relationship with an adult man or woman), and owning books with naked little boys typically found in the posession of pedophiles (found in MJs bedroom during the raid) is astounding. Occam's razor says MJ was guilty.
I’m curious about how a psychologist isn’t aware that there’s a phenomenon in psychiatric literature that’s referred to as “emotional congruence with children”, and it describes Michael Jackson to a T. Not only does this description fit him, but it’s also made explicitly clear that emotional congruence with children is highly positively correlated with primary sexual attraction to children. The man fits the profile of a pdf like no other public figure I’m aware of. It’s weird that Dr. Grande either doesn’t know this, or seems to ignore that fact.
His fans are in denial, a million red flags and they ignore each and every one of them. These are the people whose relatives would be doing the same to their children and they’d be oblivious about it. That’s how kids get hurt all the time, they have naive parents.
Even being ‘inappropriate ‘ as some claim about Michael doesn’t make you a child molester. Sleeping in the same room or the same bed as a child doesn’t make you a child molester. People are very quick to fill in details that just aren’t there.
Rob Wilde again filling in blanks. Those allegations have been proven false even after unexpected raids by the FBI, which are actually documented. Had he had actual child pornography he would have been arrested just for that. They found some pornography aimed at heterosexual males, but that’s all.
@@robwilde6857 The two books about boys didn't have MJ finger prints on them at all. If he was looking at it, his finger prints would have been all over those books. The boy a photographic essay is an art book and a gift from a fan. Boys will be boys and the boy a photographic essay are art books that you can buy on Amazon so there is nothing illegal. Some stupid people whould say that Renaissance paintings with naked characters are pornographic works and book or painting with cherubs are child pornography.
@@Sullivanin I don't understand why some people when they saw adults hanging out with someone younger, they autommatically assume that there are sinister and disgusting things which happen between them especially if the adult is a guy. Oprah did an interview when she said that she was having a good old pajama party, texting and having hour-long calls with the girls from the Oprah Winfrey Leadership for girls where sexual abuse took place. Oprah had restricted the parents from seeing THEIR OWN CHILDREN more than once per month for a maximum of 2 hours whereas Michael Jackson always insisted that families stay with their kids.
I think with poverty, homelessness and starvation it is presented at face value, there is no sugarcoating it. With fame, there is a facade of everything being glitter and cupcakes, but the famous individual is dead inside. To be able to pull the curtain back on stardom would present a dark and broken individual. Michael, Whitney, Brittney Spears, they are/were the most famous people on earth but look how their lives ended, or their lives presently, in Britney’s case, it’s sad.
Not if they have the right attitude and don't take their fame so seriously. MJ was convinced he couldn't walk down the street without getting mobbed or stared at. So what does he do ? Puts veils on his kids faces. Of course people stared. He was guilty of being an idiot.
Carolina Sousa Yes you’re spot on in your comment about the destitute and starving of this world. But the truth of being rich and famous is that it then becomes possible to live life in an extreme way, unfettered by many of the constraints that most of us have to live with. And that can cause great damage. Sadly, I have personal experience of that happening. The person can easily tip into a world that is unbalanced, and sometimes quite dark. They can then begin to see reality in a distorted way - the usual ‘moderators’ are not there. The most obvious example being with the use of drugs, which can then go on to cause even greater distortions. Even on a low level, and without drug use, a person who is largely unfettered by things like money can end up overplaying their hand, and wielding too much power, which I have seen backfire and damage relationships and self worth. There is much to be said, from what I have seen, for the things that moderate our lives. Even being extraordinarily talented can bring the shadow side of human nature into the equation. Being an artistic genius is not necessarily a recipe for happiness. It can lead you to question yourself and what you are doing, to anguish and torment in some cases, and it can also build a climate of distrust, as you get to be more and more suspicious of people’s motives for befriending you. At this point you can even begin to doubt those friends and family members who you have always trusted. So not only the genius suffers, but those close to them, too. Not for everyone. Some manage to handle great wealth and great fame. But many get burnt. It’s that old one about absolute power corrupting absolutely. And people with huge wealth and fame can also fall foul of unscrupulous people around them, who want a chunk of the action. Genius is, it seems to me, a bitter sweet thing in which you fly extraordinarily high, but also have the ability to fall from these exceptional heights. It’s a difficult one, but I have seen people undone by fame and fortune, and adopting extreme and unhealthy ways of living. What an irony that having money, power, fame - things many of us would secretly rather like to dabble with - myself included -can have the potential to wreck lives.
15:40- Michael Jackson actually addressed this point in an interview. He said that his lawyers advised him to stop putting himself in a position to be extorted like this, but he indignantly maintained that since he is doing nothing wrong, there is no need for him to stop. It showed a spectacular naiveté that was sad to watch. They say he had Peter Pan Syndrome, stunted emotional growth. If that is the case, it would explain a lot.
@Lizzie Allen Exactly. It´s also worth noting that there was never ever any physical evidence/traces of any sexual contact. All allegations came years later and all were preceded by extortion attempts.
He didn't have any Peter Pan syndrome. He was just a person that related well to children, but was around lots of people including a lot of adults. People only focus on children because it's salacious. If you have ever seen videos of Michael playing, you'd see he was really an adult being goofy rather than a person with some kind of syndrome.
@Lizzie Allen Damned if you do damned if you don't. What a bind with the stakes so high. You make a very good point. I can see feeling indignant if I was innocent and then following up by not changing my behaviour. Makes sense.
@@brownin329 Buddy, it was Dr. Stan Katz, the psychologist for the prosecution in 1993 and in the 2005 trial, who stated under oath, that based on what the accusers told him 10 years apart (1st the Chandler kid, then the Arvizo kids), that MJ had Peter Pan syndrome and was no way a pedophile. Read the 2005 trial scripts.
Patrick thank you for sharing this comment. He was sheltered and I believe that definitely lead to him being naive. Besides screaming fans and people wanting stuff from him he didn't get a lot of socialization to see what was normal and what wasn't. He said that kids didn't want anything from him, they had no bad intentions...But adults always wanted something from him.
Interesting that Corey Feldman went to the police about Hollywood predators who targeted him, cops asked him specifically about MJ and Feldman flat out said he’d never been abused by him.
@@sandervanduijvenbode5541 It would have back then, but that reasoning doesn’t make sense in context: If he was that afraid of his career being killed in Pedowood, he never would’ve gone to the cops to begin with.
@@sandervanduijvenbode5541 Yeah but Corey’s been on that train since forever.. The fact the authorities won’t name the other people he’s asked to and he can’t name them on TV but the name “Michael Jackson” has been published in relation to interfering with children, since he was alive (and was still the living king of pop) should raise alarm bells if nothing else. It wouldn’t have hurt Corey’s career as much as it would’ve attributed to MJ’s already damaged reputation. If Feldman is to be believed, he did name names to the authorities at the time and they didn’t believe him, nor did they pursue those allegations at the time.
He also said flat out that he never abused the "Angels" himself. They said otherwise. Corey Feldman is a lunatic. I have video of him thinking he can play the drums on my channel. Go look at it. He is a world-class narcissist.
@@ausgamecollector the idea that Michael Jackson was his best friend and not his abuser is central to Corey Feldman's identity. Maybe it's true. Having seen Corey Feldman play his emotional drama out in front of a crowd that was mostly laughing directly in his face, I really doubt Corey has things straight in his head.
I have to disagree in regards to law enforcement being viewed as competent; I work with several victims of childhood sexual trauma who had law enforcement drop the ball, in regards to the crimes committed. It's not an uncommon commentary; I myself was a victim of childhood sexual trauma by an adult and when law enforcement was notified, they took a report and it didn't go any farther than that. It's probably the most egregious category of lack of justice within the US legal system.
Right? The FBI investigating him and saying he's innocent means absolute shit to me when the person being investigated was one of the richest, most powerful people in world.
The FBI aren't local PD.....I would assume their 90%+ conviction rates are due to the in depth investigations they produce. Your local law enforcement are generally useless.
The Lapd and Santa Barbara police interviewed more than 400 people, MJ was raided two times, the fbi was involved also, and there were two grand juries and one criminal jury.
most children don't reveal their abuse until they're adults because they feel guilty, and when they comprehend what happened, they don't want anyone to know
Wade was 22 when he testified for MJ. Still very possible that a victim doesn’t realize what actually happens until very later on in their life, I don’t think dr. G denied that
@@holding4space i disagree .I speak from my own experience and i knew even at young age that it was very wrong.There isnt such a thing 'that realize later' ... plus you want to naturally distance yourself from a predator. Not like these two. Please guys make a research about the two men and you see it clearly
@milwaukeemotor5995 , I know that's what happened with me. My therapist finally convinced me to tell my Mom. The man that abused me was my Dad's brother. She confronted him and of course, he denied it. My mom ended up believing him. That only made my depression worse. It was absolutely terrible time. I eventually worked through it and forgave my mom for not supporting me. I didn't forgive that uncle until long, long afterwards. If I would have to Council a fellow victim, I would tell them to forgive their offender. That actually is very freeing for your mental health.
I was abused my whole childhood, and yes I didn’t tell my friends or extended family, but all of my immediate family knew cause I talked about it. Obviously they intervened but that’s not the point. Some people don’t say anything until they are adults, but there’s no one who waits until they are 30+ years old and waits for that person to be dead for several years before disclosing the abuse. No one goes to the estate asking for a silent pay day if they were abused. No one writes a tell all book instead of going to a lawyer if they were abused.
I'm reminded a whole lot like Michael Jackason myself, as my childhood was cut short, due to disabilities and due to a neurological condition that which made me obeese. As a result, I was expected to grow up too God dam fast. And that while Michael Jackson did not suffer what I went through, in my childhood, his childhood was cut short, because of how famous he was and his abusive father! Thank You!
I watched some interviews of ppl who worked and produced him.. and they swear he was some kind an angel.. a creature.. not capable of the sinister deeds he's been accused of.
I never thought Michael Jackson was guilty of child abuse. He was guilty of simply being weird. I saw MJ as a person who never had a real childhood and tried to create his childhood after becoming famous. The name of his ranch is a good indicator that MJ never wanted to grow up. As for the parents, every one of them failed to show good judgment regardless by allowing their children to stay overnight at the ranch.
If you google, was Michael Jackson really a child molester, then you will be shocked at the amount of matter of fact information that he indeed was. And I say that as a fan, I have all his records. It stings alittle at first but once you read into it you will feel a bit like an idiot for ever thinking he was innocent. Good luck god speed
@@johnb.8687 What Court documents have you read? ''Matter of fact'' infor? Do tell Troll because if you were indeed a fan or even a supporter you'd know he is totally innocent..but that wouldn't suit your agenda now would it? What records,? because I have read them all 😈
@@Angela-gc3kr Michael claimed his whole life he was a heterosexual male. Yet no Michael Jackson fan in the world can name 5 women he slept with. Elvis had no problem with women. So go ahead Angela name 5 women Michael slept with. Good luck hahah
@@thesecretkey9845 educate me. Honestly, not being sarcastic. Can you point out examples of this biased rhetoric? Again, I’m not being argumentative, I really would like to know what you’re referring to.
@@Bowblaxian_Tricknology Can you point out where you saw this? I reiterate I am not trying to argue but if I missed something biased I genuinely would like to educate myself. Recognizing biases has never been more important than now. Thanks in advance.
@@thesecretkey9845 I think your full of bs…. What type of rhetoric? I actually do know a lot on the subject..I noticed others have asked and you haven’t given an answer…
I believe that if Michael had done anything wrong the FBI could have got him. The fact that they investigated him for 10 yrs and found nothing is huge on its own in absolving Michael of any offences leveled against him. Let his soul rest in peace.
They found a boatload of evidence at neverland. It’s all on the public record. Not going to type a book here but the evidence of all kinds is absolutely overwhelming.
@@brandonrhymez2961 To be clear, there wasn’t any literal CP found. (At least to my knowledge) The only things of that nature found were two books that, while most would view as CP, are technically legal to own because they’re classified as art
I know he was very child like due to years of abuse, I've seen it a lot and actually deal with the same thing myself. He, however did not keep proper boundaries when interacting with kids and that is where all the issues stemmed from.
super geeky: exactly: it is a horrible crime which can perpetuate through many generations: ie: a generational curse which can only be broken by Jesus Christ: THE Saviour of the world, amen!!
@Izabella Aof EXACTLY!!! Apparently MJ actually paid a lot of so called "parents" off to keep them quiet: "money talks" or in this case kept a lot of unbelievably greedy idiots who did not even care about their own precious children: QUIET!!! 😲😧😨😰😢😭😤
The story of the train station changed the entire narrative of Leaving Neverland, which was that MJ would no longer have sexual attraction for boys over the age of 14. Safechuck claims to have been sexually abused by MJ between 1988 and 1992 and one of the places where he was allegedly abused was the train station, which was not finalized until 1994. However, in 1994 he was 17 or 18 years old and this does not fit the narrative mentioned above at all. Moreover, in Leaving Neverland Wade and James said that they had never met each other before Leaving Neverland and that MJ was trying to keep his "victims" apart. However, behind the scenes of the production of the Jam video clip filmed in 1991, we can see that Wade, Brett Barnes and James Safechuck are together.
wrong. it was built in 93. so he could have been 15. Wade also said after a long time not seeing Michael when he came to his room he was higher than him, Michael proceeded the usual oral routine but not only that it was the first time he wanted more, he attempted anal. So it still all fits. And he continued to have relationships with boys. The next was Omar Batti from a poor village in Norway. He moved that kid to his house too, bought him cars, etc. the same grooming.
Lol it is so funny that this type of comment which contains true facts does not have any haters. Hates just know how to say fake informations but does not know how to accept true facts. I would like to see how haters gonna say about this😂
@@kresimirzex2720 Wrong the building permit was approved in dec 93 and it was completed in 1994, thats solid evidence because camera crew were there to film him and Lisa Marie Presley when the train station finally opened,and that was 94. So now get the facts straight.
@@kresimirzex2720 it was being built in 93 but it was completely finished by 94 so that twisted their narrative because they said the abuse ended in 92 but being abused at a train station that was barely being built by the end of 93 and finish to give to the public by 94? Its alittle fishy to me cuz thats 2 yrs after they said the abuse stopped the "director" himself said they were wrong when the builter or whoever it was that built the train station showed a document of the outline of how it was going to be built and showed the date of this document which was around December of 1993
MJ was ‘smart enough’ to know which boys he needs to hold back on & which he can go all the way with. While he was best friends with Macaulay Caulkin, MJ knew to not cross the line with Caulkin because of his popularity. Now kids like James & Wade were kids not in the limelight so it would be easier for MJ to get away with it… in my opinion.
I came to the same conclusion, and I will add this: To me, it is suspicious that these two accusers waited until Michael was dead. It makes me suspect their motives as being purely financial gain; perhaps justified by them telling themselves it can't hurt Michael because he's no longer here. Regardless, again I concur, it's tragic.
There is nothing that suggests that the two specifically waited for Michael to pass away. Both Safechuck and Robson explain in the documentary that the phase of having their own children is what significantly contributed to helping them recognize and accept that they indeed were abused by Michael. That being said it is not unusual for victims to come forward after the perpetrator is no longer present; just take a look at Jimmy Saville's case. Are you to suggest that the hundreds of alleged Saville's victims were also driven by financial gain?
@@McYaballow So hundreds of alleged victims came forward to testify in Jimmy Saville's case and in Michael Jackson's case where are the hundreds? Where are they? If Michael were guilty why will it be only 2 to 5 people? Why don't you use your head? Even though the handwriting is on the wall yet people with wicked and malicious intent keep peddling lies. Ample investigations were clearly carried out and nothing was found. Michael was being monitored for several years, also his house was turned upside down yet nothing was found. Even his accusers told blatant lies which were proved beyond all reasonable doubts to be lies. One of these accusers said Michael molested him at the train house at Neverland when he was a certain age in a certain year. It was found that the train house had not been built at the year he mentioned when he was that age. And a host of other allegations that don't add up. These accusers will end up going to jail if they keep pushing it because what they are doing is criminal offence.
That is why I like Dr. Grande's channel. Even when he is going to catch a lot of flak he is still honest and sticks to the facts as they are known (since a lot of the facts never become public knowledge).
Normally I like Dr. Grande's reviews and analysis. But not this one. I found the movie not boring at all and I feel like Grande misses the bigger picture about the kind of offender Michael might have been. The master criminal theory is not in that movie at all imo. I don't know what Grande watched but this time I can see he was previously biased. The offender Michael might have been is not a master criminal but more of a naive pedophile with too much power and an unique way of grooming based on his persona. I would have expected a totally different kind of analyses even though Grande does make some reasonable points.
@@hinglemccringleberry7265 My sentiment exactly! Whether you believe the victims or not.... how in the world do you find the documentary boring? Seems disingenuous.
@@jeffreyking4448 How do you *not* find it boring? At least 30% of the “documentary” is repeated drone shots from high in the sky. It just goes on and on. Also, I was born in 1978, and like Dr. G, I lived this in real time. I remember everything as it occurred. I remember Michael being my first favorite artist, my first crush, my first huge confusion over his ever-changing appearance and the constant tabloid reports. I remember when the first accusations happened and, on live television, Michael (via satellite from his home) spoke out and urged the world to allow him to prove his innocence. Then, I recall that he settled, rather than doing so. As a lifelong, hardcore MJ and Janet fan (I honestly do not love any artists more than them), I recall feeling conflicted and questioning his innocence. That went on for a number of years, though it never deterred my adoration for his craft. Still, I doubted him. I recall when the Basher documentary was aired. It looked so bad. Michael seemed so lost and so opposite of the man I’d loved from the age of 2. It was difficult to look at him. It hurt my spirit. It was painful to imagine all of the craziness. But, again, I watched and lived all of this stuff in real time, and I’m leaving out things, as there’s just so damn much (his marriage and on/off relationship with Lisa Marie, his absurd sham of a marriage to Debbie because she was his surrogate and he was still seeing Lisa Marie, how he looked and seemed at his celebration that was filmed in NYC just a day or two before the 911 attacks, etc). Phew. There’s more to unpack than I have the energy. But NONE of it was boring. This movie is one-sided trash with absolutely no evidence, and though it shouldn’t exist at all, if it had to, it should’ve been 90 minutes, at most. Finally, I have read, watched, and listened to every piece of evidence from the State of California and the FBI files, as related to Michael Jackson and these allegations. It took a long damn time to do, but I did it. And, finally, Wade Robson is a snake in the grass. Just a few years before this “documentary,” he can be found singing Michael’s praises and insisting he will be apart of the Vegas show that was created. Wade was not hired or used for said gig. Wade is not a honest or noble person. Read up and learn about him. He’s after money. That’s a fact. He feels entitled to said money. As for Safechuck, he just seems easily swayed and desperate, too.
Debbie Smith its already 2020 and you still believe that sh!t 🙄 have you ever heard about gavin arvizo wrote a letter to his teacher about how he lied that mj didnt molest him??? please do some research or watch mj documentaries
@Debbie Smith Dude, people 4get to mention these children never slept alone at Michael Jackson's two floorsuite, there were always other adults around and girls as well. Michael always slept upstairs. They like to dirty things and say there were only boys. There were always girls as well.
Arthur Summers not according to the testimony of his defence witnesses, Bret Barnes, Wade Robson and Macaulay Culkin in the 2005 trial. It’s not even disputed by MJ himself that he had spent HUNDREDS of nights ALONE sharing a bed overnight with pre pubescent boys.
@@duanedibbley258 Michael Jackson never shared his bed entirely alone with any boy. If you really were aware of the real situation regarding the 2005 Trial you would know that.
Duane Dibbley Liar liar pants on fire! If you don’t want karma to bite you in the behind and have you falsely accused of a serious crime, then stop lying about innocent people. All of those children have said he was an angel to them and never hurt them. It’s their greedy evil parents who will pay the price. Using such a disgusting claim to exploit their children for money. They will never have peace of mind.
I think MJ was asexual and remained a child in his heart and soul for not having had a childhood himself. He wanted to catch up on a lost childhood and didn’t realized that we was an adult longing to have friends who were children, the friends he missed as a child. Poor MJ, RIP.
I always felt that even if he was totally innocent, as an adult, regardless of his past or present emotions, he should've known and considered how his behavior would look and be interpreted.
I think it was his childhood trauma from his father. He don't realize how weird it is to share a bed with children, especially boys because they're the same sex and Michael's not gay. The children he invited to the house were orphans, seriously ill and had no childhood, he just thought it was right to share love with them, and everyone should do it. He never invited anyone to his bed, they played around his house and slept wherever they wanted, he used to sleep on the ground or go to another room to sleep. It's funny that anyone who gets into your bed means you sexually abuse them😂An important detail ignored, Michael's bedroom has two floors. And the kids who took the initiative to come and make friends with Michael are the ones who sued him for sexual assault, obviously they had a motive to get acquainted with Michael. Michael had worked with a lot of kids before, and nothing happened after Michael was first sued in 1993, and this lawsuit, needless to say, clearly they lied about money.
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 he was a big star since he was five. As he said himself that is the reason why he was not normal. Adding all the trauma and abuse he went through and being sold to executives in hotels that explains why he was so stunted
I want everyone to watch what I'm about to upload about that 1993, 1st case that will ABSOLUTELY prove MJ was innocent. After you watch it, you will see that I have info going back decades.
@@scottdavidson526not the bed that you think of. you maybe think just a bed, but MJ’s bedroom was huge dive bed into three rooms with games and the a lots of beds and the bunk bed.
I once read an interview with Meryl Streep. She said she was once in the same dressing room as Michael Jackson and she asked him what happened. He looked at her dead in the face with tears in his eyes and told her that he created Neverland so disadvantaged children could have the childhood he never had. He said something like, "I wanted to make the world a better place for children but now its all been ruined by them." And then he started crying and Streep cried with him and they bawled their eyes out in that room. So ever since then, she is a staunch believer in his innocence. After reading this, I believe in his innocence, too. I don't understand why it's hard for people to get their minds around the fact that MJ liked the company of children more then say....women? If anyone has seen or watched biographies of his childhood, they'll come away with one single fact. MJ NEVER had a childhood. He was a money-making machine for his father since 5! Imagine working and being around adults your whole life. He never had sleepover parties, he never had parties full stop. His health was ruined while working (he was burnt pretty badly during the commercial, that is a LOT of pain to deal with). He had all this money and the only thing he really wanted was his childhood back. You don't think after finally getting away from his father and having all this money, he would want to live vicariously through the children that he befriended? That's just my take.
Oh please ! Liars are real good at FAKE tears. GMAFB ! Oh he's innocent cuz...Meryl ! Really ? His house keeper said she saw him in the shower nude with a child. Is she lying ?
I also think that was a lot of the reason why he did so much to his face with plastic surgery. I think every time he saw a glimpse of his father Joe in his own face he wanted to cut that part of his face right out... so his was more than just an addiction to plastic surgery. Or some attempt to "whiten" himself.
South Park actually raised a pretty good point about whether or not he's innocent or guilty when Cartman uses the same arguments people used about him just wanting a childhood and doing so by using children he befriended, with there being nothing sexual at all going on. It doesn't matter why he was doing what he was doing. He was a grown adult with adult responsibilities and children of his own to take care of. His weirdness was not appropriate, whether it was sexual or not, and enabling his behavior because you sympathized with his situation just makes him worse. Whether or not he was abusing children, he needed therapy and professional help, not to be allowed to do whatever he wanted unchallenged. In fact, his weirdness would eventually lead to his death.
@@daliakm178 I think that separating the art from the art means that whatever he did or who he was shouldn't reflect on his art. I hate Polanski, but Chinatown is one of my favorite movies, for instance. Whatever Michael did (I'm sure that he did mention kissing one of the boys at one point) shouldn't mean that you can't appreciate Thriller.
Wade and James's stories actually haven't been consistent. Wade has changed his story multiple times since 2013 and James didn't hop on board until he knew of Wade's lawsuit with the Michael Jackson estate.
I'm not sure totally either way but, since there's no credible evidence of such antics unfortunately I must rule in the favor of the Michael Jackson estate
@@greatest_bumble_bee_dude I find it incredibly difficult to believe that only after becoming a father, Wade didn't realize a 30 year old man having anal sex with him as a 7 year old was abuse.
Dr. Grande, thanks for this video and all other videos you put out here. It truly shows how objective you are in analyzing these situations and people. I think the news media could learn a thing or two from you on how to be objective in reporting on issues. I really admire you as a person of integrity. The world needs more people like you. God bless you 🙏
i’ve heard that people can become stuck at the maturity level they had at the time of being traumatized. we KNOW joe jackson was a monster who abused and exploited every member of his family, forcing a very young michael to work like an adult performer. it makes sense to me that MJ never really matured past that early time in his life. perhaps mentally, he was 9 years old, and could only relate to other people at that level. because he was forced to work harder than any child ever should, he had an amazing work ethic throughout his life, and of course he was extraordinarily talented, leading to his success. but he never really had any successful romantic relationships. personally, i believe MJ was a generous person who loved helping others; and he spent his free time playing with kids with whom he could identify. we can never know for sure, but i do believe MJ was innocent, and an easy target
There’s a Brazilian documentary called “Michael Jackson: innocent or guilty?”, and there we can see that all of that accusations were inconsistents in many matters. The film doesn’t defend Michael, just the truth. They did a lot of analysis, including facial.
Adding to your perspective, its also known that children with abusive parents can form abusive habits themselves. Micheal didnt mature mentally, but sexually he was. If you cant see the red flags there u just dont want to.
I developed through Dissociative Identity Disorder from my abuse, definitely not stuck at the age I was abused, but I do happen to have a fragment of me in the form of a child-like alter that is
I agree, Michael was most likely emotionally stuck in childhood. If you watch the Bashir special "Living with Michael Jackson" and you go toward the end when Bashir is interviewing the boy who recovered from cancer, there's a moment that the boy says: "he really a child at heart, he acts just like a child." I think that's it. I think the other kids just saw him as a big kid because maturity wise and emotionally he was. Also, if you watch Michael's face he looks very sad as the boy continues on comparing Michael to a child. I wonder if Michael was a bit self-aware in his naming of Neverland Ranch. If he realized, either through counseling or just being self-aware, that he was the living embodiment of Peter Pan...unable to mentally grow up.
@@UnBroken11100 I knew somebody with PeterPan syndrome. They are an adult physically but child mentally, he did end up being arrested and charged as a sexual predator. No matter the age, there is still a need of a system of discipline in order to learn, which children often have trouble grasping unless something mundane traumatizes a child, usually something such as touching hot objects, getting bit by an insect etc. Children will often repeat an action without proper discipline. Michael might not have realized what he was doing was wrong, but being America's pop sweetheart proceeded to protect him. Children are capable of lying when confronted as well this includes adult children. The parents were obviously part of the problem. If Michael were here today, I feel he should have had at least a fair trial, bit not without consequence. From what we know, based on his upbringing, the man wasn't right in the head from the start. His musical concepts were good, but when it came to everything else such as mental health, there we need consider it wasn't all glitter and glory
From the person that saw the movie and did his research. Leaving Neverland is just a one-sided documentary that doesn't have no evidence or anything to backup the claim that Michael Jackson molested children
@@katrinetroelsen But we can't look into their heads if it was their actual experience or made up. I mean other men had the experience Michael was innocent. Should what they say be proof too? Just because they say it was their experience? I don't think so
@@katrinetroelsen An accusation is not proof. How would you like it if we went around saying you were a child diddler without proof? What would you hope people would do? Believe us because we said so? That would be stupid. Thank God that is not how this country is supposed to run. Look up Due Process.
When I worked as a medical social worker I discovered that clients who were being untruthful with me usually embellished their stories in order to attempt to add validity to their claims. Sadly, I finally began to notice an unsettling pattern which was that people who were dishonest often went over the top with their accusations. It appears as though Wade Robson and James Safechuck have fallen into the same pit. It's always astonishing to see just how far people will go for money--they will completely ignore the harm done to others in endeavors to get what they want.
Kittygirl C Exactly! The two fools gave themselves away with how over the top and graphic they were. They did that to compensate for the fact that they were lying their asses off. Also what “victim” refers to abuse as “sex”?
I got the same feeling about it. I thought Jame's descriptions were too vividly detailed to really be a memory. I still think hey were either coached or they scripted it.
I’m not sure if he was criminally guilty, but he clearly had an unusual and In my opinion unhealthy fondness for children. For me that’s the bottom line.
The idea that a child might lie under oath - to save the reputation of a man who has abused them but whom they still care for/love (not to mention the child's own feelings of shame) is not necessarily a 'problem' IMO. I would imagine it is fairly common for children to deny abuse when asked by those in authority. Here we have children who are being asked to speak in public - to the world no less - to tarnish the reputation of a man who is godlike - I do not find this problematic.
@Lizzie Allen - you sound a bit annoyed - all I said was that, in principle, the idea that a victim would deny - even under oath - that abuse had taken place is not necessarily a problem. The relationship between the abuser and his/her victim is often complex and involves genuine feelings of love, jealousy (against other kids they see being given attention) and perhaps most importantly shame. All of these emotions may make it hard to admit anything happened - fear of what might happen to the person they love is another one. read May Angelou's autobiography I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings: she told about a man who raped her and he was beaten up - he might have been killed - long time since I read it - Angelou was so mortified that she remained mute for over a year. You might just want to take a moment to think about why a person's demeanour might change (as you point out above) from apparently polished/rehearsed to being hesitant/mumbling etc. And incidentally it is strange that you point this out because another MJ supporter has said the opposite - that they were rehearsed/scripted and too polished during their interviews. These historic cases are always difficult to prove because there is, effectively, no evidence. Because of this the police look for details in the witness testimony - especially minute, intimate and peculiar details - details that could only be known to someone who had been intimate with the accused. When they find 2 or more witnesses - especially witnesses who do not know each other - and they both give the same details then they have their smoking gun.Their abuser had a particular Modus Operandi - all abusers have one: these boys were sexually abused by someone - if not MJ then whom do you think it was?
Okay, so I was skeptical to watch this. I haven't watched this gentleman before. That said, I was surprised at how well said this is. What he said, for me, was definitely thought provoking. Well done.
@@philipphawk MJ fans are “flying monkeys” who will attack anyone who claims he’s guilty. The analysis was ultimately neutral which he didn’t expect from a “professional”.
Michael Jackson has always been innocent of everything, as has been proven. These two guys are in financial trouble, and that's all this is about. If Michael were still living, you can bet your life, none of this would be happening. The truth is the truth is the truth!!
i was held to high expectations and abused at a young age, which has affected my wellbeing as I’ve been navigating adulthood. I grew up at a young age as a result of trauma, and lost contact with my inner child, and ability to be happy or enjoy anything, and i had a disdain for children and happy people. i started babysitting/nannying this year, and quickly realized that working with children is extremely fulfilling and rewarding to someone like me, because i can practice mindfulness and skills to help both the children and myself grow. i have unconditional love for the children, and i denied it out of fear of seeming creepy. but children are innocent, naturally happy, developing human beings and interacting with them has been the most fulfilling experience i’ve had. mj’s case is different, but im just explaining how older people can form positive healthy relationships with children
@@saoirserubio536 no never. i’m affectionate when they want me to be and when they don’t, i enjoy using it as an opportunity to teach them how to enforce boundaries
i have always felt that Michael was likely guilty of poor boundaries and probably had developmental issues. I'm the same age as he would be and i remember how famous he was at such a young age, it's likely he never had 'normal' childhood experiences. it was also always rumored that his father was harsh and demanding, pushing him beyond his limits, using Michael and the other children for his own aggrandizement. How could a child raised in that way possibly learn to develop healthy human relationships and boundaries? (of course one could argue that a few of his siblings may have turned out to be reasonably functional adults) The scope of his talent and generosity makes him appear to be sensitive and emotional, but with no other outlet than fantasy which he had the means to express creatively, but not interpersonally. I don't know if this was addressed in the movie but he was also a pretty severe drug addict, which further impacted his judgement and behavior, and ultimately led to his death. I'm not ruling out that he may have been sexually inappropriate, but I don't see him as doing it for manipulation or control. I believe he was a lonely tragic man, trying to live the childhood he never had and found joy in sharing that with other disadvantaged children who would also been deprived of a 'normal' childhood. Alas, as you said, we will never know. R.I.P. MJ
Yeah he had developmental issues. He was abused severely by his father, and was forced to work as a performer from a young age. That’s not gonna produce a normal person.
Not to mention the fact that the media has always painted him as weird and bizarre, allowing us to believe any narrative that could be construed about him. For example like when they used to say his skin was white because he didn’t want to be black anymore. A lot of us believed that and not until he died did the autopsy actually tell us he had been telling the truth. :/
@smarts Can't, or won't? Because if you can't, you should get some remedial assistance. If you won't, then don't. Good luck trying to change one random person's writing on the internet. 👍
Pediphiles in general are people that are stuck at certain age. Hence the love of hanging out around kids of certain gender and age. That's where they feel comfortable, sexually...
I appreciate the objective analysis in this video. During 2019 I was really disappointed at the number of people who watched leaving neverland and ignored how one sided it was and assume Michael Jackson’s guilt. I’ve always been skeptical about the molestation accusations leveled at Jackson. They always had the smell of being financially motivated. Of course it’s impossible for me to say with absolute certainty what happened because I wasn’t there and the available evidence isn’t enough to draw a conclusion that goes beyond the shadow of doubt. But at the same time some of Jackson’s choices did him no favors. The decision to settle the 1993 civil case rather than prove his innocence and the time he spent with kids don’t look good on the most basic optics level and they made him appear to be an easy target to an unscrupulous operator. I do think there could be an interesting deep dive into how Jackson became the kinda guy who always felt that affinity with children. something I assume was a result of a childhood spent in the spotlight, which invariably robbed him of a normal childhood and left him as an ultra wealthy man trying to reclaim his lost childhood in his thirties and forties. Everyday people have a particular reaction when wealthy and famous people use their money to gain access to people significantly younger than themselves. When it’s an old rich man essentially buying the affection of a beautiful woman in her twenties a combination of disgust and envy is common. But when it’s a grown man using his wealth and fame to hang out with kids in their tween years bits not hard to frame that as the actions of a groomer. It makes me wonder if anyone on Jackson’s staff urged him to reconsider based on how it might look. Somehow I doubt anyone on his payroll dared to have that discussion with him based on a desire to not compromise their source of income. And even if someone tried it’s unlikely he’d have listened.
Michael Jackson was killed by the forces that be. They are the ones who paid for this campaign to tarnish his image. Notice how this doc was released just before the 10 year anniversary of his death? I’m convinced of this more than ever, he said it many times that these people were going to kill him one day. Please believe me, this is not a conspiracy.
Michael Jackson's attorney's talked him into settling that 1993 civil lawsuit out of court. He had also disclosed to his attorney's how much it would break his heart to force a completely innocent child to testify(lie) under oath, in a court of law. He knew that the child had been traumatized enough by his own parents and putting him on the witness stand would only further traumatize the child. It is so disgusting that people would actually emotionally and psychologically abuse their own child/children just for money. What so many people did to Michael Jackson is so heartbreaking.
The Michael Jackson case reminds me so much of a Sherlock Holmes tale. Michael Jackson looked and acted in a way that made him LOOK guilty to the casual observer, but when the facts and circumstances are actually studied, the accusations against him fall apart. Once you get past that, you can go back and look at why Jackson acted the way he did, and it’s really just a tragedy. Assuming he is innocent (which, again, the facts strongly sugges), his life is one of the saddest you could possibly have. My belief is he desperately wanted to be loved by his father and others, but instead he took constant abuse and his way to cope with it was to create a place where he could both experience what it was like to be a child and also act as a father figure for children he believed could have had lives similar to his. He didn’t want any child to grow up the way he did. It was socially inappropriate at times, but I do not believe he was a predator and I believe he was genuinely naive and good-natured.
I only started believing this recently. I was watching Michael's eyes as he performed at 11. Go back to those videos. He was in fear, definitely of Joseph. Because he worked so much as a child, he was uneducated, so when he said things like the most loving thing you can do is share your bed, is definitely misunderstood.
Oh yes because telling a child, "if you love me you'll sleep in my bed" That sentence alone says everything. And the families basically sold their kids. There are so many pedos that hide In plain sight. Reminds me of Jimmy Saville here in the UK.
@@roxannemoser he was not uneducated, he was actually very smart and very well read. But he did not have the social building blocks the rest of us have, no friend, clubs, school or social life. Locked away from the world and working the main bread winner for the family at 11. Can you imagine parents dependent on an 10 year old.
y'all don't seem to realize that michael jackson didn't actually sleep with children on a daily basis or even a regular basis. the only real testimony of him sleeping in the same bed as a child is Gavin Arvizo. which is what you all talk about but you're doing it from a 5 second clip where gavin says "michael said if you love me you'll get on the bed" however when you watch the whole damn thing, the context of the situation is that gavin wanted to sleep with michael but michael decided that he'd sleep on the floor and leave the bed to gavin. gavin insisted but michael stood his ground and said that quote to him. on top of that, they werent actually alone. frank cascio (michael's assistant at the time and family friend) said that michael invited him to sleep on the floor with him because apparently he didn't trust the arvizo family and he didn't want to sleep alone with the kid.
I also just read that his niece was there the whole time Wade Robson was there and they actually ended up dating as teens. So she contradicts his story
@Sally Ann I'm honestly curious which video? I'm not instigating. I've found a few with the whole conversation/interview and he says Michael wanted him to sleep on the bed and Michael would sleep on the floor. So they went back and forth with "no, you sleep on the bed" "no, you sleep on the bed" and to end it Michael says "if you love me, you'll sleep on the bed" meaning the final you (Gavin) sleep on the bed with your brother and I'll (Michael) will sleep on the floor. Not "if you love me you'll sleep with me in the bed"
@@valerie362 Correct. You saw the same interaction as I & everyone else did but that person is an agenda driven, full time deranged hate Troll. It didn't reply to you because it knows you're right. It distorts the truth all over the comments & frankly, I don't know how it sleeps at night, because what it does is so wrong.
@Sally Ann Do you need for the whole video & the whole dialogue to be posted, you f'n fantasist? Stop trying to bully people, you're obviously a deranged, paid Troll with a whole lot time on your hands.. He was insistent because as in the video, Gavin Arviso, his brother, Frank Casio, and Michael were ALL in the room. As explained before, Troll, as in the unedited video the OP explained to you - Gavin Arviso and his brother asked to stay in MJ's quarters. YOU know this, yet you desperately try to twist the dialogue between them, why? because you are a particularly sick p*edo fantasist. Arviso wanted to sleep on the floor with his brother, MJ wanted to give the best to the guests & so insisted he & his brother take the bed - END OF. The rest of your rant is YOUR own fantasy projected onto an innocent man. Your imagination is very sick.
@@Angela-gc3kr Exactly. All the people that believe him to be guilty distort the facts given. They add the little twist needed of it to seem like he is guilty. Thats why I feel so much an anwser that Michael gave once. He said that only a depraved minds could automatically associate SLEEPING on a bed with a child to sex. Their minds are so depraved that the simple image of a bed equates to sexual activity. It is a child. A sane mind would not even think anything sexual about a child on a bed.
I think this movie was crap too. I've always felt that because of Michael's own history of abuse and trauma that he stopped growing emotionally at some point, like 10-13. He wanted friends. He loved the innocence of kids and felt like they didn't want anything from him like every other adult in his life did. I don't think he ever abused kids, he just didn't comprehend that it looks bad. He was so innocent in his heart that it didn't click. Also because of his massive wealth and fame, no one ever told him no. That's a bad combination. Oh and Wade Robson has changed his story a million times. I know Aaron Carter isn't the best character witness but he has a bunch of videos about Rob lying. Last edit*. As odd as their marriage was, Lisa Marie Presley said he was very much attracted to women. She gave interviews after these charges were made.
As a survivor myself..i feel much more comfortable around kids because i know they wont harm me. Being a victim doesnt make you an adult predator. I just believe he felt safe amongst children. Also the bells and alarms to his room..the monster comes at night..its best to be warned when he comes walking down the hall to your door.
He didn't stop growing emotionally. He was an adult who liked being goofy because it was fun and brought him publicity. Without the first accusation, no one would have thought twice about Michael. Michael had adult friends and girlfriends. He befriended families and would go visit them. He wasn't shy, he just was bashful at times.
@@brownin329 Do you know what he went through as a kid? He was shoved into the spotlight form the age of seven and danced and sang like a monkey for hours every day. He never went to normal school and never had friends. His dad beat him constantly and his older brothers did drugs, smoked and had sex in front of him while they were on tour. Then, when he did grow up, he was used as a punching bag by the paparazzi. No wonder he preferred spending time with children. He was clearly seriously abused and that screwed with his head so much that I don't believe he ever really learned how to grow up properly.
@@brownin329 when a kid gets traumatized (could be by fame, emotional abuse, physical abuse, verbal abuse, religion, sexual abuse etc theres a lottt of things that can cause a child trauma) michael jackson most likely experienced at least in moments of stress and anxiety a sort of age regression because if a situation reminds him of his past trauma its likely he'll revert back to whatever age he was in that moment
@@anyatindall5678 , that's a cakewalk compared to tens of millions of lives the world order who did not become world famous, beloved superstars. None of it can possibly excuse the actions of a serial child rapist.
Dr. Grande, you crack me up. I'm glad you're not a fan of boring things. Same for me! :) With that said, I've watched several of your videos before landing on this one. I was scared to view it. Being an 80s baby, I grew up watching Michael Jackson on MTV and was a big fan in my teens. After this boring movie came out (which I didn't watch) I spent a considerable amount of time researching the allegations, previous cases, family history, inconsistencies, and even driving out to Neverland Ranch, I am convinced Michael Jackson is innocent. Thank you for presenting this case as unbiased as possible.
The alleged room alarm looks suspicious if you don't factor in the fame factor. The greater one's celebrity, the greater target one becomes. I wish George Harrison had had an alarm/safe room.
Also, the alarm helped Michael's case at the trial. The defence used it disprove one of the accuser's claims. Star Arvizo said he sneaked into the room, crept up the stairs and witnessed abuse, but the alarms prevented anybody without keys from accessing Michael's room without the bell going off.
Yeah. I'm also wondering if it could have been due to the abuse he suffered as a kid. Kind of like PTSD. He always struck me as someone stunted. Or maybe something similar to a dissociative disorder. And as such created a world and state of mind he felt safe in, a childlike world & mind...places he never got a chance to inhabit as an actual child. So he turned his home into a child's paradise, filled it with the little ppl he wasn't allowed to be & ppl that couldn't hurt him (children), and secured the place where we are most vulnerable (bedroom while sleeping) with alarms to keep out the proverbial monsters.
MJ fans try to excuse the bed sharing by one way or another. I’d say that if any other grown man were sharing a bed with a child that wasn’t their own child, but even that to a degree, would be considered suspicious.
It might be for you. But for MJ he was deprived completely of his childhood. He never had friends to play with. His childhood consisted of abusive strict practicing. He has said several times he is childish and sees himself as peter pan, he made a huge play ranch in his home which says a lot. Even his voice was always that of a child. According to psych when a child doesn't complete a developmental phase healthily, It will follow as an adult. So for that sort of circumstances I don't find it weird he liked to play with children. In fact I find it weird he kept his selfless nature despite all.
You do know that sex crime victims feel so much shame and mixed feelings for the perpetrator and don’t always come forward immediately. Rape victims are rarely believed.
That would apply to REAL victims of real abuse. NOT two crap, broke actors out to fleece a convientely dead icon's children since 2013. And the fkers keep failing.
@@TheDivayenta The fact that victims of sex crimes are not quick to come forward and might be in denial about what happened to them is not evidence that MJ did anything.
Yea wow. They told their story after he died. My cousin molested me at 3. He was shot and killed when I was 9. I didn't tell anyone til I was 13. When I was 9 my dad molested me. I'm 31 now. My mom died four years ago and I never told her. I didn't really understand what happened. My father was schizophrenic and the abuse involved a lot of catatonic behavior. So I was left confused and disocating. I wouldn't understand this until a few years ago while in therapy. I don't find these circumstances to be strange at all. And I don't find the story to be unbelievable either!
What people don't realize is MJ was a Billionaire with people fixing things for him- he could put a hit out on people who talked. ...Anyone defending him does not know his own words of confession.
OK but what was most suspicious about the documentary was the mother of Safechuck said she "danced for joy when MJ died for what he did to her son" in 2009 when he would have been nine years old, ´when Safechuck himself said both in a sworn court deposition and on Oprah that he "didn't realize he was molested until he was 13 years old", so the mother couldn't have known back in 2009. Also Safechuck alleged that the abuse intensified in 1989 after MJ's Grammy performance in New York, despite the fact that the Grammy's was held in LA that year. But leaving all that aside, where is the hard evidence? All we have to go on is their word. Last time I checked it was only women who got believed without question, I thought men still had to provide proof? Yeah I smell a massive money grubbing rat.
@@Crypticmind242 Everybody has to remember everything perfectly. Dates, places, details all have to be in order, otherwise it's not true. Why don't you look back at your life and see how much you remember, and all the things you get wrong.
If there was ever a "victim" who wasnt looking for money; you might have a point. But all of them only went in TV fir paid interviews and they all looked for handouts.
That's definitely what I think. I'm a huge MJ fan, I won't deny he was a strange man. Not Criminal, not even perverse. Obviously he was quite different from the start, being on stage from a young age. Those parents saw an opportunity and they took it.
Reading this as a Brit who's watched the Jimmy Saville scandal, you definitely don't need to be a criminal mastermind to get away with years of abuse, you just need to keep your mouth shut, because you are surrounded by people who have a huge vested interest in not believing in the abuse and protecting you.
That may be so, but Saville's case bears no resemblance to the MJ case. Saville was protected by the BBC and the police wilfully and deliberately ignored multiple reports of abuse and undertook a huge cover up instead of serious investigation. The press made him out to be some kind of hero. Saville was also protected by the royal family. Hundreds of victims and people who witnessed the abuse came forward and did not ask for money and saville's former associates at the BBC have stated that his behaviour was lude and predatory; this was common knowledge amongst staff. Staff at the hospitals where he used vulnerable and sick children have also come forward and talked about how their concerns were ignored and were not listened to. Nurses, secretaries. Dozens of people talked about how he would take caravans onto the road with him so that he could lure children into them. Saville had free and unlimited access to several establishments for which he had keys and was allowed to roam freely around independently, with no-one to question or challenge him. Many children, who are now adults have come forward and talked about their experiences of being rounded up by saville and his accomplices to be taken to paedophilia dens where he and others would subject multiple children to abuse. MJ was subjected to gruelling and inhumane investigatory procedures by various agencies, was vilified in the press was under constant surveillance for the best part of two decades which culminated in a criminal trial which returned FOURTEEN 'not guilty' verdicts and exposed multiple lies and contradictions and efforts to deceive by the prosecution (including attempts to falsify evidence against him). Every single accuser exposed as liars, grifters, extortionists and self- entitled scam artists. So you see, completely different😏Research is key my friend. Subjecting anyone, especially children, to any kind of abuse, is horrific and dispicable and destroys people's lives. But so does making false accusations - especially where those have been proven inauthentic time and time and time again😖.
I would love to hear you breakdown the case of Kurt Cobain, or, more so if you believe the information we have access to points more to his suicide or to him being killed. Thanks for all of the amazing content. EDIT: I did not mean to spur any arguments in the replies to this comment. I was just asking for Dr. Grande’s expert opinion on the mental health aspects of the topic as most books and documentaries about Cobain/Nirvana tend to brush over that aspect of his life and death, especially because the world was not as informed on the subject back in 1994. Thanks for the feedback!
There is absolutely nothing to support the idea that Kurt was murdered...he was in awful shape and had nearly died on tour in Italy just before his death. The shotgun shell that was on the wrong side of his body could have ricocheted off the wall after ejection or moved/accidentally kicked by the guy that found him first. But IF someone did it, how skank wife was involved. But I doubt it.
@@barefootroofer That is not correct. There is plenty to support a supposition of murder. There is a book called Who Killed Kurt Cobain. It will help you understand that Kurt was most likely murdered.
eydie sanders sooo, you’re stupid and gullible? I read that tripe...It led absolutely nowhere. And much like the guy on the grassy knoll, nothing solid EVER existed other than the fact that he’d attempted suicide on several occasions...grow up...
My take on Michael Jackson is that he was extremely screwed up by his father's abuse, and being a child star who never really got to be a child. I think he just wanted to be a kid, and saw kids as more genuine and trustworthy than adults. So had a LOT of problems, but I don't think pedophilia was one of them. Then again I grew up in the early 90s when he was still famous, but also very weird so I had no memories of him being more normal to fall back on.
I grew up in the 60s so my sister n I loved the Jackson 5 and I was clubbing when he went solo and huge success with Thriller in the 80s. Michael Jackson was everywhere in the 80s. So age wise I’m a contemporary to him. Since you guys are younger you’ve got a different view. Believe it or not there were constant jokes out there about his “strange behavior” and odd affinity to kids. Joke after joke about him liking kids TOO MUCH. When accusations began everyone I knew was NOT shocked. It made sense. I always believed he didn’t do this with every kid in his life, but it looked like he “fell in love” with some. When he had that quick marriage to Lisa M. Presley and did that kiss on some awards show EVERYONE thought that confirmed what we we’re thinking, it was weird and then over so fast...left everyone thinking Lias Marie saw something that scared her off quick! I never thought he was “evil” just obviously a mess in his personal life. No one but the parties involved will ever know the truth.
He didn't just have bells on the way to his room. He had a giant two story bedroom in his house that was more like an apartment. The door leading to it had a lock / keypad. He also had a secret/hidden room with the entrance disguised deep in his giant closet. I believe it also required you to crawl some distance to get in, forcing anyone entering to take quite awhile. It was also filled with VHS tapes lol. Then there's all the testimony of his maids and everyone else.
@@brusselsprout5851 my house has notifications ring when someone pulls into drive way or crosses certain locations on security cameras with movement and i dont even live in a large property ... imagine living in a freaking mansion complex with all the money in the world and not having a means of dinging my room with various notifications for various things..... i just think that's a short sighted reason to call guilty .... cuz... does that make me guilty??
Thank you for your interesting analysis. I keep thinking about Michael's last voice recording by Dr. Murry (Michael's personal physician who was charged for 2 years imprisonment as responsible for michael's death ). I was completely amazed by what Michael said to Dr. Murrey in that tape while he was under the influence of Propofile and was in a horrifying state of being. In that recording, right before dying, the only thing he talked about to his Dr. was to build more hospitals for children, how much he loved children, how much he felt their pain, and the fact that he himself had never had a childhood. He obviously could not have been calculating or lying about his deep sense of care, responsibility, and love for children to the last minute of his life. Can such a person be a child abuser? If you haven't heard this recording, please find it on the internet. I would love to hear your comments about it. I am not a"fan" of MJ, but I believe that he is completely innocent and these guys are after money! Thank you.
The answer is yes, such a person CAN still be a child abuser. There's a possibility that MJ thought that what he was doing wasn't 'abuse'. He probably believed that's how he was showing love and affection, in his own twisted way. He was probably delusional. I think the reasons Dr. Grande lays out as making him look 'suspicious' and guilty are enough to convince anyone of his guilt. This isn't normal behavior, and the only reason it was tolerated and he got away with it every single time was BECAUSE he was so famous and loved. He could do whatever he wanted, and he did. Also, Dr. Grande should look into the list of items that FBI found in his home that also would add to some highly 'suspicious' behavior. The man literally had a children's theme park in his backyard. His whole behavior, the things he would choose to surround himself with, the clever manipulation of families and victims, the fact that he did not stop after the first accusation. You can't stop a compulsion. You can't stop being attracted to a certain type of person that you're attracted to. He had a 'type'. He didn't sleep with 'kids', he slept with cute little boys, that he would "dispose" of later after they'd grow up. That man was sick and he should have gotten help. Please stop defending a man that abused children just because he was talented and famous. You can still like and listen to his music, and also see his behavior as sickening.
@@lbthir13en Nothing you wrote is factual. Everything you wrote is based on rumors, lies and prejudice. For example you wrote: "Also, Dr. Grande should look into the list of items that FBI found in his home that also would add to some highly 'suspicious' behavior." Maybe you should take your own advice because nothing that was found was child pornography. You are literally repeating lies that you read from either long since debunked articles or from MJ detractors that repeat their lies online. You don't know anything of what you are talking about. If the FBI really did find child pornography, Michael Jackson would've been immediately sent to prison. This demonstrates a complete lack of critical thinking. The proof that exists points to his innocence and it's not even close. Leaving Neverland literally presents no proof of any of its claims and in fact Wade and James are proven liars. Wade even got his first attempt at suing the Michael Jackson Estate thrown out of court because he got caught lying. "Please stop defending a man that abused children just because he was talented and famous" Please stop accusing a man who is innocent and has been proven to be so in a court of law. And don't bring up the "OJ got off too" cliche because if you do it'll show again how ignorant you are of the 2005 Michael Jackson trial where the prosecution's case and witnesses were so thoroughly debunked and discredited in cross examination that the defense team actually had a conversation about whether or not it was even necessary to put on a defense at all. It is this ill mentality you are showing where you throw away critical thinking and instead launch into a lynch mob mentality that does not care about facts nor truth that has gotten innocent people like Emmett Till murdered for false accusations. It is your push for no justice and to not hear the accused defend themselves that caused innocent men like the Central Park 5 to serve time in prison and have their lives ruined for being falsely accused of sex crimes.
@@NomadFlow I think you should spend some time researching other non-famous convicted child abusers to get a fresh perspective. You'll notice lots of similarities in the cases, and very similar patterns of behavior and manipulation that MJ has displayed in the past with his own victims. It's become too easy now to make excuses for MJ's inappropriate behavior and people get too easily blinded by their own denial and love for MJ.
@@lbthir13en Safechuck, Robson, Reed and the media have done a wonderful job on you... you've convinced yourself that their "stories" are correct, when you have NO ACTUAL PROOF AT ALL that they are telling the truth. It's alllllllll about the money... wake up 'n' smell the coffee!!!!! >>> $$$$$$$$$$$
@Sally Ann Now I know for a fact you're either being paid to troll OR YOU have major unresolved issues that you are projecting OR you have drug issues that trolling funds or IMO it's ALL of the above. You are literally cyber bullying people. GET HELP.
@Mary Marron Michael was an oddball. He lost his childhood thanks to mean Joe. But I really don't think he sexually abused any children. Not 1 famous rich person/ child has ever said he touched them. Like the Doc says, He should not of settled. I understand it was a nightmare for Michael, but think about this too... If you were 100% convinced your child was molested, would you want Money, or would you want that person in prison so they can never do this to another child? The parents of the child were perfectly happy taking the 22M. Now.... what if he were guilty..... I guess that makes the parents Pimps! Shame on them!!!!! I still believe to this day Michael was the victim. He was a strange man that acted like a child in many ways. Immature. Trying perhaps to have the experience of what normal children have in the sleepover thing, and making friends. Strange.... yes. But that alone does not make him a pedophile.
Yes, this topic and every other one he talks about. Non-biased, non-emotional and factual. Plus he's got some sass and that's the icing on the proverbial cake!
Keep in mind. Wade was trying to get a job as director of my CIRQUE Dr soule show in 2011. Only when he WAS REJECTED and a failed book deal did he come forward with his claims of 'molestation' in 2013. From 1993 to 2013 wade did nothing but praise Michael. He wanted to be involved in any/ everything mj. Only AFTER he didn't get the job he had already bragged about getting in interviews. 2011 A crumbling marriage.an unstable career ... being financially strapped ..drive him to create these claims! As for James.pretty much everything he said isACTUALLY in A BOOK. " MICHAEL JACKSON WAS MY LOVER " by Victor Gutierrez .... .. research that and its author ( mj sued the author for slander in 97 and WON) the book is supposedly based on jordan Chandler (93 accuser) supposed "diaries" ( that were never found) I. The book there are references to "mock weddings" etc...
James also needs money. His family's business (trash business) was sued for a lot of money. Right after that happened James decided he also was "molested" by Michael.
Definitely MJ’s actions and behavior looked suspicious. As an overprotective father I would not have left my child alone with Michael but at the same time everyone is innocent until proven guilty and there is really no absolute proof.
@Create Account let me tell you something, why was MJ proved innocent countless times, in 2005? in 2021? and every time wade was thrown off court, if you mention staff im assuming adrian mcmanus correct? she lied under oath, and admitted lying lmao, no one uses that as evidence anymore so people move on to other reasons why they think mj was a pedophile, if your talking about the underwear stuff and semen dna, if you check the documents it was never meant to be introduced in court, dnas never matched and some other underwear from a local laundry, if you check leaving neverland comments its all against the documentary, its ironic to say all mj fans are pedophiles because his fanbase is over 1 billion, MJ isnt cancelled and is too big to be, home alone actor defended him for years, robson family was only in neverland and mj was onl;y present 4/14 times they were there, and he says "abused 100s of times. one of the 2 accusers lied about getting abused or they saw something in neverland train 1992, but it was built in 93 and opened in 94. Adrian mcmanus was only fired because she stole stuff from neverland. if your thinking wade isnt doing it for the money why do you think he pulled up trying to sue the estate for 1.5 billion dollars, wade and safechuck themselves admitted to lying. MJ literally admitted using the word bed because he defined it as sleeping beside/putting them to sleep or sleeping on the ground. wades on mother called wade out at one point. Lot of media change up the story such as "abused to abuser, there is a quote saying people on social media use opinion as evidence and is high fived by people who know even less, i gave extra information, this isnt made up by head nor quora answers, this is literally what happened. you can see why people defend MJ.
@Create Account where does it say that? so they could get paid more (1.5) billion after mj dies? Adrian admitted to lying her self not in the oath even after that, Mjs lawyer challenged her, see here there is no actual proof for anything. if you include the nude books they were legal art with no genital's and no sexual image, i hated michael jackson until October 2021 until one fan showed me everything, i just got everything thats the opposite to the proof at the time. im not trying to convert you but media can easily brainwash you, sorry for being rude earlier.
@Create Account if the man mculkin said let the man be, he is alive and can speak for himself, he doesnt need others to speak for him. people lie through him, he said it himself, "i wasn't abused neither did i see anyone abused". lot of people get rasons to accuse mj and there always answers for it, the second they have answers the other question follows along, i have seen it and others have to.
It's the fact you brought up about the guy who said he didn't think there was anything wrong about the relationship between him and MJ but then he claimed MJ told him they would both go to jail if he didn't lie. So he goes on the stand and denies everything, without error, hesitation, or even crying once. I would think that a child being manipulated so well in one way would experience some kind of conflict of thoughts or slip of response while trying to cover what he believes is true and innocent in the face of interrogation...but I could be wrong. Also, I didn't see the trial.
I grew up in the 80's as a teenager. I was wondering if Michael Jackson had some form of depression? He also had an accident on a Pepsi commercial where he suffered 3rd degree burns. After that they said that he started to become addicted to painkillers. Dr. Grande have you ever heard of the Peter Pan syndrome? They say that Michael suffered from this because of how he was thrust into the limelight at a very young age? I'm new to your channel and I really am enjoying your videos and analysis. Keep up the good work. I am a psychology major myself. Just an undergraduate though.
@@PonzWasTaken He did not say that. He said that if they were no children left on earth, he would have nothing to live for. He had a pure heart and wanted to help starving children in Africa(he saw on tv) when he was 5/6yo, said his mom, Katherine. He said when he got $$$$, he would help children!!!
@@auntyleda8036 He said it in an interview with Piers Morgan. Michael's exact words "If it wasn't for children I would throw in the towel, I would kill myself - I wouldn't care to live"
There are tons of famous people that were in the spotlight from a very young age and they don't turn out like Jackson. I've always wanted to know what exactly made him the way he was. Very bizarre. A lot of people close to him said a lot of his persona was an act including his voice. He's real voice was a regular voice of a man his age.
@@HavanaSyndrome69 Ultimately, I just don't think he was a very normal person. Nobody can explain why he was the way he was other than Michael. I wouldn't be surprised if his persona was an act, as it got him the media attention and kept him in the spotlight even when he wasn't releasing. As for his voice, you can probably get a glimpse of what it really sounded like at the 2009 This Is It announcement. I think at the end of the day, he had some personal issues with his childhood - and he had the bank account to try and re-live it which ultimately just made him out to be a 30 year old child, the pain medication problem in the 2000s wouldn't have helped that
Michael actually became famous in about 1969 with the Jackson 5. He was becoming an adult when he went solo, around 1979. By the mid eighties he had already done Billie Jean, Thriller, and Beat It. So he was SUPER STAR famous by the mid 80s.
He joined the group in 1965, and that's about when Joe Jackson started to push to get them noticed; by 1968 they were being shopped to national record companies; their first album was released in 1970 when MJ was 11-12 years old. (It had SEVERAL Top 40 hits; crossover hits, which was not all that common. Michael specifically, as lead, was on heavy {4 hour} rotation, *per song* for months, with as many as four or five different songs in rotation. For a young black guy that was spectacular. Stevie Wonder was singing, but not charting anywhere near that rate, at age 12.) He was a superstar as far back as that. People who think Thriller was the beginning are missing a lot.
@@cashcodeclub How old were you in 1970? Because everybody I knew in the 7th grade in 1970 was a Michael Jackson fan, and I lived in a predominantly white town. The Jackson Five with Michael singing lead had four number ones on the Hot 100, which was a predominantly white chart. Don't be telling me. I was there.
The part about children being related to him not being harmed: Children of murderers sometimes do not know their father or mother were that evil. Not all pedophiles will abuse children they are related to. Rare, but true. I am not saying he did or did not do anything
I think there are different motivations for murder and sexual assault especially when it comes to children. The one factor in both would be remaining undetected as the perpetrator. Now going about this differs depending on if it's a murderer or child molester. I'm sure there are a few crossovers but I would maintain the paths to be undetected are very different. First is a Serial killer. The first thing police look for in a murder investigation is motive. Most people murdered are done so by people that are close to them. A good portion of cereal killers stalk and kill people they do not know. Why? To further there chances of remaining anynamous. If you dont know the person the police are much less likely to suspect you. So in cases were serial killers are relatively passive when it comes to there families I would say the biggest factor is just that. A higher chance of getting caught. It's easy to see someone has been murdered it's harder to know if someone is being molested. So the tactics change. For the murderer it's more about precision execution and extraction. For child molesters it's more about keeping the crime hidden. There best protection is psychological control of the vitcim. It is easier for pedophiles to control children who trust them and and children most trust there family members. So I think staying under there radar is ther first priority. Both use different tactics to do so.
They usually do though.2 males in my life raped me when i was little. They abused others in their families and communities. They knew them all. Easy pickins when you know the family.
The reason Michael Jackson had an alarm because one of his fans sneaked in his house and it was in his closet for about a week. All those people that was in the house I will be paranoid as well.
you are just the kind of person who if MJ had been seen in his own garden, engaged in a sexual act with a prepubescent boy, would scream out loud, "just an ALTEREGO! he sneaked in 'coz he wants us to blame it on Michael!" you very stupid, starstruck people... all heads in the sand.
I remember reading about that. When he found out his fan had not eaten, he heated up a meal, fed them and called his chauffeur to take them home. Shows what type of person he truly was.
This is the best analysis I have seen since LN was broadcast. Thank you very much Dr. Grande. I had the same thoughts but couldn't express them the same way as you can. I'm 34 and come from Russia and I never was MJ's fan but I watched LN because I'm interested in psychology and because MJ is a legend. Something made me doubt these stories while I was watching it. Towards the end of the film, I was inclined to believe them, though. After that, I started to do a research on the Internet and look for arguments supporting or exposing both sides of the story. After having weighed a lot of pros and cons, I would say now I rather believe MJ was innocent, given the weakness of the cases against him, the result of the trial in 2005, and the questionable credibility of the accusers. I also trust Tom Mesereau and find his arguments very rational and reasonable.
After many hours of watching videos and a 2-month investigation of looking at the facts from the OTHER side, I am now 100% convinced Michael Jacson was one of the purest souls on the planet. Not even the FBI could find anything criminal about him after a 10 year investigation. Every single accuser has been proven to be a liar and extortionist by others' testimony. I don't rather believe his innocence, I now know for a FACT he's innocent.
@@jdenino6022 the same jordan chandler said:that his dad fabricated everything just for money.And that MJ had never abuised him.His dad commited suiced after MJ'death and that's why chandler came forward.And MJ didn't pay anything.Get your fact straight before you comment.
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I was molested by a friend of my brothers at the age of 6. I told my parents and they confronted his parents. They literally threw my parents out of their house and my brother wasn't allowed to see him again. His parents never believed that their son could do something so horrible. You never know what anyone is capable of.
I imagine later in his life, his parents knew. I wonder if his parents prayed for forgiveness from you. Anyways, tragic, sorry for your pain. God bless
@@christophersoren1768 its important that a victim gets a justice
I wouldn't have even gone to their house i would have took it to court and got the kid arrested.
I am sincerely sorry to hear that. I hope one day you'll be able to find justice, as I do for every real victim. In the case of Michael Jackson however the difference is there is a lot of evidence against the accusers that expose their financial motives and hole-ridden allegations; absolutely nothing adds up with them.
Silver Bullett Your case doesn't speak to MJ's technically, but I did see those sorts of "My child can do no wrong" parents when I was growing up. It caused a lot of distress for a lot of people I will say.
“Strong emotions interfere with critical thinking.” Exactly.
Strong emotions interfere with any kind of thinking.
@@Eyes-of-Horus it's a good thing facts don't care for emotions. That's why MJ was acquitted resoundingly FOURTEEN times in spite of the fact that there were so many malicious people gunning for him. "The man is innocent - he always was" Tom Messereau.
And yet still people support Michael.
@@PhysicalGraffiti97 you're an idiot if you actually think this. You honestly think republicans don't pander to emotion?
@@apersonwhoknows the reason people support Michael is because the FACTS and evidence catastrophically undermine all the allegations made against him and overwhelmingly support his innocence. Anyone who exercises due diligence will rationally conclude that HE was the victim.
*Becoming* really famous in the 80's..? Dude was super famous as a little kid. By the 80's he was a global superstar.
You really caught the main point, didn't you.
By the 80s he was the most recognized human ever to have existed by an order of magnitude. The Beatles were bigger than Jesus, MJ was more popular than the Beatles.
But Dr. Grande probably wasn't born, certainly not old enough to be following music trends, when Michael Jackson was part of the Jackson 5. Jackson's career as a private artist did take off in the 80s when Dr. Grande says he was a kid.
Probably means as a solo act
@@jamesmccreery250 they never said they were bigger than Jesus, they said more popular
Such a weird story from any possible angle. An adult befriending kids, even sleeping in the same bed without feeling extremely awkward or being aware how suspicious this looks. The parents of the kids involved in this being ok with and supporting this friendship. And the huge amount of money on top of it all that gives everybody involved their own incentives for doing nefarious things.
If it were a female people wouldn’t bat an eye
They never slept alone with him, their parents were there, plus nannies and staff
Their parents sold the children for money. All of them knew he was abusing them.
@@sweetdreamscr are you kidding? no parent of any child involved with MJ has said that parents could spend the night in the room with them. the doors would shut and michael would be either alone w a child or alone w multiple children.
@@Donyalicious ARE YOU? None of the kids in Living Neverland slept alone with Michael. Where is the evidence showing that they could not be there with the kids? I will wait....
One interesting thing that Macauley Culkin has said was that Michael didn't really enjoy meeting or hanging out with other adults aside from a select few. To Michael, all the adults were just interested in his money or a business opportunity, whereas kids could actually see him as a friend. He also mentioned that the kids Michael chose to befriend were aspiring child stars. This is important because Michael wanted to protect them and provide guidance to them because he knew how cruel the industry can be.
@Tararyze 11 bs. MJ remained friends with those, who didn't turn out to be vultures. He even helped Robson's and Safechuck's career. It wasn't his fault they couldn't really make it (esp Safechuck). However he remained cloes with Mac Culkin, Brett Barnes, Emmanuel Lewis, Mark Ronsond and Sean Lennon still speak fondly of him, He remained friends with the Cascio family (which he probably shouldn't have, either), the Schleite family and God knows how many more. Mac keeps defending MJ - yet you believe - agaisnt his own words, which he repeated over and over again, under oath, in public even against his own interests... - he lies about being MJs victim? You are utterly dumb. And you obviously haven't read ANYTHING about this topic. I mean anything reliable... Yet you comment about it... You should have a better judgement: never comment about something you don't know sht about.
@Tararyze 11 you’re litteraly just talking biased at this point everything you’re talking about is an accusation against the biggest artist at the time, maybe actually do research and stop believing everything you hear on the internet
@Tararyze 11 Theres plenty of evidence he didnt do it. The fuck wrong with you man.
@Tararyze 11 when did you see Macauley in LA. He has lived in New york and Paris and avoided LA for years.
@Tararyze 11 what about Wades sister, Mac's sister, Jordy's sister, Brandy, Nicol and many more. All there with their brothers
Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on the tv screen don’t make it factual..
*Though everybody wants to read all about it*
Okay but your whole experience with him would be completely over tv and magazines. So that makes your perspective also not factual. From the looks of it you’re young, so am I. That means it’s very likely that you have no personal experience with him at all. Your argument can completely be turned around against you, so think about that next time you post something that controversial. Also you are talking about pedophilia that’s a very sensitive topic.
that is a two-way street right there
Tabloid junkie(s)
@Sally Ann we are not talking about you being a fanatic for 40y we're talking about someone who was being accused of pedophilia and he was ACQUITTED. There is no need to be a fan to know and search about the subject and allegations of 93,2005 and last year. Ppl are so manipulated by all these claims that they don't want to know the truth.🤦♀️ pathetic.
Can you talk about Prince Andrew and his involvement with Epstein.
John Ashley He already has. Look on his channel for a critique of Andrew’s interview as well as another one about Epstein. Enjoy. ;)
no no no...let's talk about YOU having the attention span of a GNAT...
Puttentane Same woah why so hostile?
@@puttentanesame6687 whaaat chill out bro
@@puttentanesame6687 what's wrong with you? Ridiculous
I met and conversed with Michael Jackson on a plane trip from El Paso to Dallas his brother's sat behind me and Michael to my left. Their father, Joe was seated up toward the front of the plane. Michael was to perform for the Ed Sullivan show in New York. Before boarding the plane, I saw Michsel practicing dance moves before boarding. I got the impression that his brothers were indulgent. But during the flight, Michael chewed his fingernails and focused on Joe, who constantly called Michael forward on the plane. The parental control he was subject to was overwhelming. I see Michael as a nervous and frustrated kid who just wanted to escape the controlling adult world. Children would be his escape. But Children grow and change rapidly. So their presence would never be on a plateau like adulthood. So, he sought out more than a few. This would be his neverland.
That's a really good analysis. I agree. I don't think he sought out s*xual gratification from children. He definitely wanted an escape, to be a child and to maintain a presence of innocence that was robbed from him by fame. Who could blame him? He just wanted to be the child who he wasn't allowed to be.
@@Anal_Flute there's nothing wrong with wanting to experience a childhood that was robbed of you. but as a grown adult you're gonna raise some eyebrows when your pursuit of a childhood includes sharing your bed with minors. that's when you break the law, people get pissed and the witch hunt begins.
@@haintedhouse2990 Yes, what does recovering a childhood have to do with sharing a bed with children? Maybe he would like to play with children and appreciate their energy but children don't regularly share their bed with other children anyway.
He was still friends with them all when they got older The Casio's worked for him, Mac was Godfather to his kids, Wade wanted to get married at Neverland, James did get married at Neverland. And Bret and 3t still were around.
@@jayaom4946 yes they do he grew up sharing with all his brothers. You do not sound like you had a lot of fun growning up. I have shared a bed with several friends even after a night out when i was older, no sex or any thought of sex involved.
When your a grown man you don’t spend the night with children in your own bed. It’s weird and it’s wrong. He should have known this but his fame and power got in the way of his judgement. Michael had a ton of psychological problems stemming from his childhood and his abusive father. He didn’t have a proper childhood and decided to have another childhood as an adult. He was a 50 year old child. Dr. Grande is right, we don’t know 100% if he was a predator but his weird behavior made him look guilty.
It's weird to us, but our mistake here is judging his behavior based on our intuition. He was chemically neutered by his father to keep his high voice which caused all kinds of development issues. People who talked to him said his interest was that of a 12-year-old. Comics, cartoons, etc. To me, it makes perfect sense, given these facts, that he would feel more comfortable with children in a non-sexual way.
@@Wtiberon True and by even our judgment the way this all could have gone down in the path of Michael’s he could have made a choice to take those issues inside and make his feelings towards children a sexual thing or not. An I believe he didn’t but sense everyone just focused so hard on his interest and mental stress of not having a child hood they assumed the worst. An thats sad but I’m not saying it’s easy to not assume that way either just the sad cases of some pedophlies they were molested and then done the same to their victims. But we should keep an open mind because that victim can have a choice to be better..and not harm anyone else and that’s what I think Michael made that choice but how hard the media was..I don’t he had a chance to even be taken seriously.
Those kids parents were scam artists too
Or maybe that’s just what he wanted us to think? He definitely used his power to get what he wanted and to manipulate.
Michael Knapp Yes we can know if he was predator or not, it only takes a few hours of research to find how where those allegations originated (NAMBLA pedophiles who targeted him since childhood and one of them assisted Evan Chandler to concoct allegations) and how absolutely ridiculous they are for literally hundreds of reasons. His sleepovers have nothing to do with fame and power. What power did he have anyway when America treated him like less than human any nobody could tell any lie about him and get away with it? MJ grew up sleeping with others all the time including unrelated adults who treated him better than his own father. He literally considered sharing his bed as an act of hospitality. Also, he loved strangers like family. That is an alien concept to most people. People fear what they don't understand and what they fear they want to destroy.
Keep in mind without money and jealous being a factor MJ would have never been accused.
I would never let my kids sleep over in bed with a grown man. Just saying.
Nikki one of the parents literally killed himself
they never slept in the same bed together. Micheal's room was the size of a house.
@@scarletshadedblack6502 Wade's dad killed himself because his wife left him and took the kids to states and the man was also an alcoholic. What does his suicide have to do with Jackson?
@Sally Ann grandma your dementia is acting up. I never said Jackson was hardly ever at neverland so I have no idea what this "
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Lola why do you all say that Jackson was hardly ever at neverland but then spend your lives going on only about his room AT neverland? " is about. I stated a fact that his room was the size of a house and who is " you all " supposed to be? I spoke on behalf of myself . Are you okay grandma?
@Sally Ann this is getting sad now. Clearly something is wrong in your life that you are are all over the place calling people liars and looking for attention. It was funny for about a minute but now it's just sad. You are too old to be this desperate for attention.
He wouldn't be a "master criminal". IF he were any type of criminal, it would be a Smooth Criminal.
Dammit, I posted a similar comment before I saw this! LMAO!
LOL 😂
Shamon!
😂😂😂
This is true haha 😆
Adults should never be hanging out or sleeping with children, no matter what "affliction" one may have. It's never appropriate.
I'm disturbed by how few likes this has honestly😬
Exactly, his fans and him were utterly disgusting.
For real, even if he did not do what the accusers are alleging, his behavior with children was inappropriate at best, and he should have known that.
@@americangirl6654 watch the movie about his childhood i doubt he knew much about right and wrong tbh :(
if satans seed even says it looks bad, it looks bad. lol
I love how blandly he says “I don’t like boring things”
Hahaha!!!!
Lol. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm pretty sure every person on earth feels the same, boring is dull and a negative feeling and who would like being bored?
It’s fantastic!
Hear!Hear! When you act odd people are likely to think that you are.
Even if Michael Jackson didn’t do it, the fact that he had young boys spending the night at his house without other parents around, and in his bed, is just weird. That crosses so many boundaries in itself.
Why do you like to preume they were on their own? It is very obvious that their parents were always there too Fact.
If you can prove they weren't, go for it. Tabloid media won't count.
He didn't sleep in the bed with them but the parents certainly didn't have an issue with it.
I totally agree with you. I would NEVER have let my child have a sleepover/s with an adult. I don't care how famous or rich the fucker was. It's a major red flag. Having said that... Michael was an oddball. He lost his childhood thanks to mean Joe. But I really don't think he sexually abused any children. Not 1 famous rich person/ child has ever said he touched them. Like the Doc says, He should not of settled. I understand it was a nightmare for Michael, but think about this too... If you were 100% convinced your child was molested, would you want Money, or would you want that person in prison so they can never do this to another child? The parents of the child were perfectly happy taking the 22M. Now.... what if he were guilty..... I guess that makes the parents Pimps! Shame on them!!!!! I still believe to this day Michael was the victim. He was a strange man that acted like a child in many ways. Immature. Trying perhaps to have the experience of what normal children have in the sleepover thing, and making friends. Strange.... yes. But that alone does not make him a pedophile.
@@dragonflysteampunk4266 one of the main reasons he settled was because his team and lawyers advised him too because if a case goes to civil court before a criminal court then all the evidence would have to be laid out and if the accusers team had inconsistencies and holes in their story they could then change dates and evidence and that would leave Michaels defence going in blind. It makes complete sense that he would want to pay them. It’s strange to me that even when the 1993 accusations went to court the parents didn’t want to be involved anymore and refused to testify
@An Armchair he only had 2 before he died, one in 1993 then again in 2005. So he abused 4 boys even though he was around hundreds of children throughout his life? Each family that accused him have holes all over their stories and a clear financial gain
I went into show business and started doing concerts at age 14, and my emotional and social development was seriously arrested at that age. I’m still learning how to be an adult. So I can only imagine what doing concerts from age eight would do to Michael’s development.
I believe Michael’s development was arrested at eight and thus he felt confident and at ease with other little kids, because that’s how old he felt inside.
In show business, you get used to a very unusual way of relating to people, because you’re on stage and everyone else is clapping for you and loving you - not the real you though, only the performer. Then you go home and you’re all alone again. It’s very extreme.
You begin to get “off stage fright”. You know you can sing and play but how do you talk to people? I’ve got fourteen years of normal life to draw on, but Michael only had seven or eight years, and those years were far from normal. Plus he was a million times more famous than I ever was. Maybe children were the only people who related to him as a person and not just a celebrity.
Lizzie Allen yes! Exactly.
A handful of people enter careers in showbiz at a young age but not all of them are asking young boys to sleepover without their parents for who knows how many nights.
Bb 8 I hear what you’re saying. I saw a book MJJ gave one of his child friends and it was called “Boy”; full of photos of naked prepubescent boys. I thought it looked very pedo. I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but he doesn’t make it easy...
Hence why he could’ve easily been a pedophile - he could not relate to adults whatsoever, but only children.
It’s pretty logical.
Bb 8 yes, I can’t understand how people are so naive here. He had kids staying with him in his bed - yes that can be done innocently, but an adult spending majority of their time with kids, in locked rooms, or bedrooms, never having a proper adult relationship, his kids weren’t even his biologically.
It’s very obvious he was either a pedophile, or asexual with the mind of a child.
The accusers stories sound really good when they’re the only one telling them.
my favourite quote so far: "I'm not really a fan of boring things." 😆
He is not a fan of boring things, but he is making a profit out that boring film by making this somewhat long video
Not going to lie I did skip a lot 🙄🤫
Did you receive a Jesuit education? I've always wondered why Micheal..
With a Baptist background couldn't "avoid the appearance of evil".
@@debrarohner412 what Baptist background? His background was Jehovah's witness
@@beautifulsungoddess2015 I think I saw you at Burning man wearing a bra less wet T shirt
I cannot wrap my mind around parents letting their kids spend the night with him, or really spend much time at all with him. You are a parent. Protecting your children is your job. Do your damn job.
The FACT is that they were also always there, in every room with their own children. Imagine that? Fool.
Yeah but my child's orifices could make me a MILLIONAIRE!!!!!!!!
Well, people shouldn’t molest kids either.
@@toughntiny michael didnt molest anyone.
Do you know that there are evil in the world?
“This movie was exceedingly boring...I’m not a fan of boring things..I found it to be kind of a waste of time.” 😂🤣🤣 Dr. Grande you’re my new favorite channel. Finally, content that is educational as well as entertaining. Thank you so much!
Every video is worth watching!
Marcee F I haven’t been very tempted to watch it. I’m kind of tired of this subject with MJ who’s been dead for years now. No matter if he was guilty or not, he’s dead, what’s the point of rehashing this in a movie at this point? I grew up in the 80’s and I adored him🤷🏼♀️
teamcougars to bring mass awareness to the problem of child abuse.
@@teamcougars - as TheDizzleHawke says - to bring awareness to the problem of child sex abuse - but also because those he hurt are still alive and their lives have been affected by their experiences.
This film shows how predators like Jackson operate and that is valuable information for all of us: too many people have unrealistic notions that sexual predators grab kids in a dark alley and rape them, or are hateful people that we can identify easily.
This film showed that often times their victims love and respect the person who abuses them - this leads to them denying the abuse when asked as they wish to protect their abuser.
Guilt over sexual behaviour - still far too prevalent in most societies - also acts to silence abused children - this film dealt sensitively with all of these issues. I do not agree that it was boring - I found it riveting and informative.
@@honeychurchgipsy6 Exactly! That is why Leaving Neverland is so important. I suspect many MJ fans are afraid to watch it because they might actually believe the victims. I found the documentary to be many things, but boring was definitely not one of them.
Culkin said the alarm system to the bedroom was installed after a home invasion. Allegedly a crazy fan got into the house and hid in Michael's closet. Naturally this freaked him out, and the story goes that he installed this security system around his bedroom to help him sleep.
It was to get notified of employees who used to sneak on him and listen to private conversations and sell them to the tabloids for hundreds of thousands of dollars. The secret hideout was the one created because of that particular incident
Source ?
@@josephg6260 on which point?
@@diogenes3300 the culkin part sorry I’m new to this case . Did he testify to that ? Or was it said during an interview?
@@josephg6260 Culkin described the alarm system during the trial, and also talked about it in interviews. I think the part about the fan breaking in being the cause is hearsay - but it’s true that people did break in.
The thing is when you are in an abusive relationship, if you "love" that person you will deny that they did anything wrong. It's when you are able to come to terms with it, it's when you can talk about it openly. At least that was how it was for me.
SynnJynn Wick denies it day 1
There is no way a child loves his child molester , no freaking way , u ppl r not fooling me LOLZ
World AL You probably just don’t know many cases of molested children. It’s horrible, but more often than you think the children fall in love with their abuser and only acknowledge their situation long after it’s over.
@@stephaniebm However, there are people, who MOCK real victims... for their own gain. Remember the Salem girls? There were 2 girls, who accused a few people with being the devils servants and practically abusing them. And people believed them, because they showed the symptoms... Over a hundred people suffered because of two girls wanted attention....
I was abused and think he didn’t do it he had house staff on the estate all the time the mothers hopefully can’t be that stupid so they must have trusted him.
“I’m not really a fan of boring things”- Dr. Grande’s personality is a whole mood😁👌🏻 Very engaging, honest, and organized insight of the documentary
I’m sorry @SallyAnn but you do NOT know me to make such affirmative statement as to say that I did not watch it. However, I’ll respectfully respond to the congruent portion of your odd reply to me & gladly explain you how to review & evaluate media content. Even if someone had not accessed or had limited access to a documentary or let’s say a movie for an instance, you can perceive how something is well-constructed in the way in which they outline their central ideas, whether the vocabulary & mannerism is biased and/or discriminated, conform their explanatory argument, and unify their findings in the closing remarks in way in which the general public make reason of it. I hope this helps xo! Blessings 🙏🏻💫
Jennika Ochoa-Mendez 👆🏼 Mic drop
@sallyann Hello, it is called being an adult. Having different points of view, and BEING AFFECTED DIFFERENTLY BY THE SAME THING. I watched it, as soon as it made it to HBO, and there are many things that appeal to me as a human being, and there are other things that are highly QUESTIONABLE. But I am NO ONE to come on here and OPENLY go against Dr. Grande or any of the individuals whose opinions differ from mine. THIS IS THE LAST RESPONSE I AM GIVING YOU CONSIDERING THAT YOU ARE EVEN CURSING AT ME AND I DO NOT HAVE TO ESTABLISH CONVERSATIONS WITH A PERSON THAT CARRY THEMSELVES IN SUCH QUESTIONABLE WAY. LIKE, IF I AM A STRANGER AND YOU TREAT ME LIKE THIS, THEN HOW DO YOU TREAT THOSE AROUND YOU?🤔 Blessings🙏🏻💫
@Sally Ann There you go bullying, insulting & name calling again.
You are just a low class, morally bankrupt, hater troll that thinks just because 2 destitute, proven pathological liars starred & acted in an abomination of a disgusting film, devoid of any facts or evidence, a film which promotes the pro - pedophilia NAMBLA narrative & vocabulary, is highly manipulative to emotionally brainwash gullible, and non critical thinkers. One sided on purpose with more holes in it than a cheese grater - based on word alone by 2 accusers - not victims - replaces a verdict by a Judge and Jury?. Nope.
It is so excruciatingly boring that most people figured it was a far -fetched fraud based on the 3 hours of drone footage, no substance and very bad acting by 2 cowardly frauds - Not victims - trying & failing to extort $millions by falsely accusing an exonerated in life, conveniently dead man. THAT'S what YOU support. YOU are disgusting.
@@jennikaesquivel-mendez1002 It is a troll. It attacks anyone and everyone with an opposing view or opinion. It even insults Dr Grande. It has taken up residence on this video along with a handful of other trolls, with numerous fake profiles. It/they have mental health issues. This would make an interesting case study for Dr Grande.
I remember years after Michael Jackson's death. One of his body guards answered a question "Did Michael Jackson have a secret room?" The guard said "before Michael Jackson moved into mansion it was owned by a rich person. That person had a safe room installed. When Michael Jackson moved in, the safe room was used when people would drop into the grounds. Michael Jackson would gather his family, and stay in the safe room." The person asked the guard "what do you mean drop into the grounds?" The guard replied "people would use a parachute."
Wow!!!
That's crazy!!
The MJ superfans always scared me!!
It was mentioned, but one of the most important considerations to me is that he was so very famous and rich. The fact that so many people depended on him for money or wanted money from him throws shade on their motivations - this goes for people who would defend him or the people who say they were abused by him. It’s difficult to know the reality of the situation when everyone involved is potentially compromised.
i think some people forget that wade and james mentioned another childhood friend of michael claiming he was abused as well to back their stories up ... but this guy responded saying that no he was actually never molested and that wade and james were lying and literally sued them
@john doe Go look up Brett Barnes.
@john doe well you have to look around, people is not going to be making the task for you. I searched a lot of stuff and I just let it go, but I know that if I look again I would find, just go ahead and research deeply, RUclips will be helping you to do the task, they will be sending you pros-and-cons videos, people who are defending him, and against him, so then you can make your decision.
There are people from all kind of filds all kind of careers, all kind of backgrounds, people who are fans, people who are no fans, and a lot of stories that they analyze and show details of their analysis.
I concluded Michael was innocent You can conclude different from different sources, but you had to see both sides, as the doctor says, if this documentary was so true why it is not showing the other side?.
I graduated with a post graduate degree in documentary filmmaking, and I want to address a common misconception. Many people think that a documentary is supposed to provide all the information on a topic (ie: both sides of a story or all of the research), however the foundation of documentary film is simply non-fictional storytelling. Documentaries are just capturing life or a story as it is happening in real time. In the case of a film that is retelling the story after the event has occurred, you are more likely to have a lot of research and development prior to filming & as a result have more information provided. Documentary films should never be mistaken for or replacing investigations or research.
Or Court Documents, files & unadulterated evidence of expulpatory innocence. A tv film, made for profit, by two proven actor con -men & their equally, extremely nefarious 'director'.
@@Angela-gc3kr to be fair, James or Wade had zero financial gain from appearing in Leaving Neverland. Subjects and individuals can't earn any money from being featured in a documentary. The first thing we learn is that subjects should never ever be compensated for appearing in your film. And I looked into Dan Reed's audits, and neither James or Wade were paid.
@@kallymcdonnell
The thing is that they are actually suing the MJ Estate for 1.5 billion dollars yet they claim their accusations have no financial motivation. Safechuck’s got dismissed a couple of months ago (for like the fifth time) and robson’s may be as well.
@@thecollector4332 yes, you are totally right. James and Wade could have pursued legal action & filed a lawsuit. However, a lawsuit and documentary are separate channels of income. I stated that they didn't receive any financial compensation from appearing in a documentary, and that is true. James and Wade were not paid by the filmmakers for appearing as subjects / giving testimony, they do not own the documentary, and they have no rights to any residual profit of the film. If either of the men have financial profits from a lawsuit to the MJ estate, then they would be receiving income form the lawsuit & that is not money earned from the documentary. I hope that makes sense.
@@kallymcdonnell
I completely understand that, but the point is that they have lied insisting they have nothing to gain from the estate and that they aren’t doing what they are doing for money. Wade at first pursued a book deal for crying out loud.
I feel like Michael Jackson was the only one who didn't change his story every 5 minutes. His accusers and now people who worked for him seem to have very changeable accounts of what went down.
fact
Childhood trauma can critically impact memory. I have major gaps of my childhood that are missing from memory and sometimes the brain wants to fill in the gaps. It doesn't necessarily mean the abuse didn't happen, but certain details around the trauma can change.
yeah well when you live in your own reality completely separate from the real world, it’s easy to paint your own narrative. that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a predator.
Maybe you didn't mean to come off as rude but it did hurt a little. As a childhood sexual assault victim, I don't "live in my own reality " just because some details may have changed. Was his shirt orange or yellow, I can't say exactly. As a child you don't have the vocabulary to describe certain events accurately. I was simply stating that perhaps the "story changed" as more memories came up or little details might change but the overall story is consistent. But I think MJ showed a lot of grooming behavior that I can't overlook.
@@kittyticklehips I didn't say he wasn't a predator, I was referring to the people who have a financial gain in the situation changing their stories over and over again again.
I’m late to the party, but I feel that somebody have to point out that an adult man should not be sleeping in a bed with young boys unless he’s related to them. There’s something wrong with that in itself, whether or not he touched them.
Watch his interview talking about this. It’s you that’s making it sexual.
Everybody has said that ya dummerd
Sleep ≠ Sex
@@CJCreativeJuice By matter of common sense an adult should sleep in the same bed with young boys he is not related to him.
Also of note: one of the maids, and one of the star “witnesses” in that movie, was fired by Michael in the 90s (I believe- don’t quote me on exact dates) and subsequently lost a lawsuit and was sued by Jackson. I couldn’t think of a more believable motive. Every single person who accused him of anything had something to gain. And those who didn’t need the money or fame- at least not as much(Macaulay Caulkin, Corey Feldman, and Aaron Carter), said their relationship was one of the purest, safest, and most innocent in their young lives.
Probably Adrienne McManus. She was fired for stealing a lot from Michael's property. Blanca Francia was a maid that was with Michael in the 1980s.
MJ was a pedophile, but keep fooling yourself into believing he was a normal guy.
@@candyjohnson3302 He was just a weirdo, not a paedo. A really big weirdo.
yep!
also most people found accusing him have literal paper trails of being money hungry and dishonest!
As someone who was a victim of abuse since childhood I understand how victims can not understand what they experience was abuse, I was in my 40’s before I could come to that realization. But I never changed my story, I always knew and could tell anyone exactly what had happened. I don’t want to claim a person who is a victim is just trying to manipulate the system. At the same time people who put out false claims ruin it for those of us who are real victims. I will never be able to come to a real conclusion about MJ.
I saw some of their interviews in Leaving Neverland, and I think that they definitely knew what happened, but that Michael managed to persuade them that he needed their help to save him, and their protection against the accusations - so he cast them as the heroes in their own little fantasyland, and that's why they denied all the charges back then. I found that quite believable - but then, I am neither a psychologist, nor an abuse victim, so I wouldn't know to which point you could actually be gaslit into defending your abuser.
Interesting. Thanks 🙏 for adding. I lost l my son age 39 two years ago. He told me the year before he died what happened to him age 7. He sadly self harmed and took meds and didn’t deal with it to well. I know what he went through. You have to be so strong to carry abuse.
@@ladylaois8184 , I'm so sorry for your loss!
@@lenkacfk7155 For me, when I watched the documentary for the first time without having any prior knowledge I initially found it believable. But then I started doing research. The explanation they said in the doc of being manipulated and why they changed their story is believable until you actually read court docs. They changed their stories about 6 times over the course of their lawsuits alone. Their stories kept evolving with each contradicting the last over the course of the lawsuit. Like looking back doc after reading court docs, there are many things that really do not make sense and they left out a lot. Like one that that really jumped out to me was Wade’s story of when he was first abused. When you read his and his mother’s depositions on Wade’s first claim of his abused it completely does not make sense.
Michael is definitely inncoent
The most calm and unbiased talk about this I've heard yet, congrats.
This is incredibly biased, are you kidding me?
@@13ig13ones agree
Unbiased? Todd Grande is obviously a Michael Jackson fan. That seems to be clouding his judgment, like that of many other fans who refuse to believe the artist they grew up with, and whose music they loved so much, was a pedophile and child molester.
Meanwhile, a ton of other psychologists who are experts in the field of CSA believe the victims.
The mental gymnastics some people do to justify sleeping with dozens of little boys, switching them for younger ones once they age out, taking them on world tour (all the while never sustaining a credible relationship with an adult man or woman), and owning books with naked little boys typically found in the posession of pedophiles (found in MJs bedroom during the raid) is astounding.
Occam's razor says MJ was guilty.
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The problem here is who is and who isn’t?
@@13ig13ones yes, from the start
I’m curious about how a psychologist isn’t aware that there’s a phenomenon in psychiatric literature that’s referred to as “emotional congruence with children”, and it describes Michael Jackson to a T. Not only does this description fit him, but it’s also made explicitly clear that emotional congruence with children is highly positively correlated with primary sexual attraction to children.
The man fits the profile of a pdf like no other public figure I’m aware of. It’s weird that Dr. Grande either doesn’t know this, or seems to ignore that fact.
His fans are in denial, a million red flags and they ignore each and every one of them. These are the people whose relatives would be doing the same to their children and they’d be oblivious about it. That’s how kids get hurt all the time, they have naive parents.
Being "eccentric" or "weird", doesn't make you a criminal.
Even being ‘inappropriate ‘ as some claim about Michael doesn’t make you a child molester. Sleeping in the same room or the same bed as a child doesn’t make you a child molester. People are very quick to fill in details that just aren’t there.
...and having books with naked kids? - nah, that doesn't make you a kiddie fiddler - just "eccentric" LOL.
Rob Wilde again filling in blanks. Those allegations have been proven false even after unexpected raids by the FBI, which are actually documented. Had he had actual child pornography he would have been arrested just for that. They found some pornography aimed at heterosexual males, but that’s all.
@@robwilde6857 The two books about boys didn't have MJ finger prints on them at all. If he was looking at it, his finger prints would have been all over those books. The boy a photographic essay is an art book and a gift from a fan. Boys will be boys and the boy a photographic essay are art books that you can buy on Amazon so there is nothing illegal. Some stupid people whould say that Renaissance paintings with naked characters are pornographic works and book or painting with cherubs are child pornography.
@@Sullivanin I don't understand why some people when they saw adults hanging out with someone younger, they autommatically assume that there are sinister and disgusting things which happen between them especially if the adult is a guy. Oprah did an interview when she said that she was having a good old pajama party, texting and having hour-long calls with the girls from the Oprah Winfrey Leadership for girls where sexual abuse took place. Oprah had restricted the parents from seeing THEIR OWN CHILDREN more than once per month for a maximum of 2 hours whereas Michael Jackson always insisted that families stay with their kids.
Fame is the Worst Thing that can happen to a person.
How about poverty, homelessness and starvation?
I think with poverty, homelessness and starvation it is presented at face value, there is no sugarcoating it. With fame, there is a facade of everything being glitter and cupcakes, but the famous individual is dead inside. To be able to pull the curtain back on stardom would present a dark and broken individual. Michael, Whitney, Brittney Spears, they are/were the most famous people on earth but look how their lives ended, or their lives presently, in Britney’s case, it’s sad.
Not if they have the right attitude and don't take their fame so seriously. MJ was convinced he couldn't walk down the street without getting mobbed or stared at. So what does he do ? Puts veils on his kids faces. Of course people stared. He was guilty of being an idiot.
Carolina Sousa Yes you’re spot on in your comment about the destitute and starving of this world. But the truth of being rich and famous is that it then becomes possible to live life in an extreme way, unfettered by many of the constraints that most of us have to live with. And that can cause great damage. Sadly, I have personal experience of that happening. The person can easily tip into a world that is unbalanced, and sometimes quite dark. They can then begin to see reality in a distorted way - the usual ‘moderators’ are not there. The most obvious example being with the use of drugs, which can then go on to cause even greater distortions. Even on a low level, and without drug use, a person who is largely unfettered by things like money can end up overplaying their hand, and wielding too much power, which I have seen backfire and damage relationships and self worth. There is much to be said, from what I have seen, for the things that moderate our lives. Even being extraordinarily talented can bring the shadow side of human nature into the equation. Being an artistic genius is not necessarily a recipe for happiness. It can lead you to question yourself and what you are doing, to anguish and torment in some cases, and it can also build a climate of distrust, as you get to be more and more suspicious of people’s motives for befriending you. At this point you can even begin to doubt those friends and family members who you have always trusted. So not only the genius suffers, but those close to them, too. Not for everyone. Some manage to handle great wealth and great fame. But many get burnt. It’s that old one about absolute power corrupting absolutely. And people with huge wealth and fame can also fall foul of unscrupulous people around them, who want a chunk of the action. Genius is, it seems to me, a bitter sweet thing in which you fly extraordinarily high, but also have the ability to fall from these exceptional heights. It’s a difficult one, but I have seen people undone by fame and fortune, and adopting extreme and unhealthy ways of living. What an irony that having money, power, fame - things many of us would secretly rather like to dabble with - myself included -can have the potential to wreck lives.
Michael loved his fame. He felt it was God's way of providing him with love and provisions for not only poor children but for a damaged world.
15:40- Michael Jackson actually addressed this point in an interview. He said that his lawyers advised him to stop putting himself in a position to be extorted like this, but he indignantly maintained that since he is doing nothing wrong, there is no need for him to stop. It showed a spectacular naiveté that was sad to watch. They say he had Peter Pan Syndrome, stunted emotional growth. If that is the case, it would explain a lot.
@Lizzie Allen Exactly. It´s also worth noting that there was never ever any physical evidence/traces of any sexual contact. All allegations came years later and all were preceded by extortion attempts.
He didn't have any Peter Pan syndrome. He was just a person that related well to children, but was around lots of people including a lot of adults. People only focus on children because it's salacious. If you have ever seen videos of Michael playing, you'd see he was really an adult being goofy rather than a person with some kind of syndrome.
@Lizzie Allen Damned if you do damned if you don't. What a bind with the stakes so high. You make a very good point. I can see feeling indignant if I was innocent and then following up by not changing my behaviour. Makes sense.
@@brownin329 Buddy, it was Dr. Stan Katz, the psychologist for the prosecution in 1993 and in the 2005 trial, who stated under oath, that based on what the accusers told him 10 years apart (1st the Chandler kid, then the Arvizo kids), that MJ had Peter Pan syndrome and was no way a pedophile. Read the 2005 trial scripts.
Patrick thank you for sharing this comment. He was sheltered and I believe that definitely lead to him being naive. Besides screaming fans and people wanting stuff from him he didn't get a lot of socialization to see what was normal and what wasn't. He said that kids didn't want anything from him, they had no bad intentions...But adults always wanted something from him.
The film came out 2 months before the appeals of their $1.5 Billion dollar lawsuits that a judge had already thrown out for being not credible.
If I remember correctly it wasn’t credibility but the fact that the judge thought it was filed too late. An important distinction if so…
@@nicholasantoniak1758 Source?
Spreading falsehoods. There was no specific dollar amount pursued.
Interesting that Corey Feldman went to the police about Hollywood predators who targeted him, cops asked him specifically about MJ and Feldman flat out said he’d never been abused by him.
Cause that.... still... would kill his 'career' in hollywood... whatever is left of it anyway.
@@sandervanduijvenbode5541 It would have back then, but that reasoning doesn’t make sense in context: If he was that afraid of his career being killed in Pedowood, he never would’ve gone to the cops to begin with.
@@sandervanduijvenbode5541 Yeah but Corey’s been on that train since forever.. The fact the authorities won’t name the other people he’s asked to and he can’t name them on TV but the name “Michael Jackson” has been published in relation to interfering with children, since he was alive (and was still the living king of pop) should raise alarm bells if nothing else. It wouldn’t have hurt Corey’s career as much as it would’ve attributed to MJ’s already damaged reputation. If Feldman is to be believed, he did name names to the authorities at the time and they didn’t believe him, nor did they pursue those allegations at the time.
He also said flat out that he never abused the "Angels" himself. They said otherwise. Corey Feldman is a lunatic. I have video of him thinking he can play the drums on my channel. Go look at it. He is a world-class narcissist.
@@ausgamecollector the idea that Michael Jackson was his best friend and not his abuser is central to Corey Feldman's identity. Maybe it's true. Having seen Corey Feldman play his emotional drama out in front of a crowd that was mostly laughing directly in his face, I really doubt Corey has things straight in his head.
I have to disagree in regards to law enforcement being viewed as competent; I work with several victims of childhood sexual trauma who had law enforcement drop the ball, in regards to the crimes committed. It's not an uncommon commentary; I myself was a victim of childhood sexual trauma by an adult and when law enforcement was notified, they took a report and it didn't go any farther than that. It's probably the most egregious category of lack of justice within the US legal system.
Right? The FBI investigating him and saying he's innocent means absolute shit to me when the person being investigated was one of the richest, most powerful people in world.
The FBI aren't local PD.....I would assume their 90%+ conviction rates are due to the in depth investigations they produce. Your local law enforcement are generally useless.
sorry about your experience btw
@@dotkiarika1026 prove it.
The Lapd and Santa Barbara police interviewed more than 400 people, MJ was raided two times, the fbi was involved also, and there were two grand juries and one criminal jury.
most children don't reveal their abuse until they're adults because they feel guilty, and when they comprehend what happened, they don't want anyone to know
Wade was 22 when he testified for MJ. Still very possible that a victim doesn’t realize what actually happens until very later on in their life, I don’t think dr. G denied that
@@holding4space i disagree .I speak from my own experience and i knew even at young age that it was very wrong.There isnt such a thing 'that realize later' ... plus you want to naturally distance yourself from a predator. Not like these two. Please guys make a research about the two men and you see it clearly
@milwaukeemotor5995 , I know that's what happened with me. My therapist finally convinced me to tell my Mom. The man that abused me was my Dad's brother. She confronted him and of course, he denied it. My mom ended up believing him. That only made my depression worse. It was absolutely terrible time. I eventually worked through it and forgave my mom for not supporting me.
I didn't forgive that uncle until long, long afterwards. If I would have to Council a fellow victim, I would tell them to forgive their offender. That actually is very freeing for your mental health.
I was abused my whole childhood, and yes I didn’t tell my friends or extended family, but all of my immediate family knew cause I talked about it. Obviously they intervened but that’s not the point. Some people don’t say anything until they are adults, but there’s no one who waits until they are 30+ years old and waits for that person to be dead for several years before disclosing the abuse. No one goes to the estate asking for a silent pay day if they were abused. No one writes a tell all book instead of going to a lawyer if they were abused.
I'm reminded a whole lot like Michael Jackason myself, as my childhood was cut short, due to disabilities and due to a neurological condition that which made me obeese. As a result, I was expected to grow up too God dam fast. And that while Michael Jackson did not suffer what I went through, in my childhood, his childhood was cut short, because of how famous he was and his abusive father! Thank You!
Do you share your bed with other people's kids as well?
@@an.d.m.a mj went through a different type of childhood tramua than he did
@@XanderBit what kind of trauma leads you to sharing your bed with other people's kids?
@@an.d.m.a idk, maybe not having a goddamn childhood, and growing up being friends with adults
@@XanderBit not having a childhood is not an excuse to share his bed with other people's kids. Only PDF files want to do that.
Michael Jackson did seem to have a very child like personality because of his childhood.
@@pinkpugginz i was saying he was not a pediphile.he did not do anything to those boys.
I watched some interviews of ppl who worked and produced him.. and they swear he was some kind an angel.. a creature.. not capable of the sinister deeds he's been accused of.
He wasn't child like. Just watch a rehearsal video and he's a stern taskmaster. Very much an adult
@@shazzyfez6737 it does not prove anything. Someone can have a child like personality and still seem like an adult in certain situations.
@@superneilcomics8196 switching back and forth?! Like Jekyll and Hyde 🤣🤣🤣
I never thought Michael Jackson was guilty of child abuse. He was guilty of simply being weird. I saw MJ as a person who never had a real childhood and tried to create his childhood after becoming famous. The name of his ranch is a good indicator that MJ never wanted to grow up. As for the parents, every one of them failed to show good judgment regardless by allowing their children to stay overnight at the ranch.
If you google, was Michael Jackson really a child molester, then you will be shocked at the amount of matter of fact information that he indeed was. And I say that as a fan, I have all his records.
It stings alittle at first but once you read into it you will feel a bit like an idiot for ever thinking he was innocent. Good luck god speed
@@johnb.8687 What Court documents have you read? ''Matter of fact'' infor? Do tell Troll because if you were indeed a fan or even a supporter you'd know he is totally innocent..but that wouldn't suit your agenda now would it? What records,? because I have read them all 😈
@@Angela-gc3kr Michael claimed his whole life he was a heterosexual male. Yet no Michael Jackson fan in the world can name 5 women he slept with. Elvis had no problem with women.
So go ahead Angela name 5 women Michael slept with. Good luck hahah
@@Angela-gc3kr Being found not guilty doesn’t mean innocent. Remember oj simpsons was found not guilty.
@@Angela-gc3kr You said the word *court documents* wow I’m soo impressed
Unbiased analysis is rare these days, love it.
It's biased and you're getting fooled by a particular type of rhetoric.
@@thesecretkey9845 educate me. Honestly, not being sarcastic. Can you point out examples of this biased rhetoric? Again, I’m not being argumentative, I really would like to know what you’re referring to.
I actually sensed a pretty emotionally reflexive tone in his arguments and I was surprised
@@Bowblaxian_Tricknology Can you point out where you saw this? I reiterate I am not trying to argue but if I missed something biased I genuinely would like to educate myself. Recognizing biases has never been more important than now. Thanks in advance.
@@thesecretkey9845 I think your full of bs…. What type of rhetoric? I actually do know a lot on the subject..I noticed others have asked and you haven’t given an answer…
I believe that if Michael had done anything wrong the FBI could have got him. The fact that they investigated him for 10 yrs and found nothing is huge on its own in absolving Michael of any offences leveled against him. Let his soul rest in peace.
What?
They found CP at Neverland ranch what are you talking about. How about look up the facts
They found a boatload of evidence at neverland. It’s all on the public record. Not going to type a book here but the evidence of all kinds is absolutely overwhelming.
@@brandonrhymez2961 To be clear, there wasn’t any literal CP found. (At least to my knowledge) The only things of that nature found were two books that, while most would view as CP, are technically legal to own because they’re classified as art
@@brandonrhymez2961 I’m not defending it one bit, but it’s important to be clear about the facts. And that is factual as I know it anyway
I know he was very child like due to years of abuse, I've seen it a lot and actually deal with the same thing myself. He, however did not keep proper boundaries when interacting with kids and that is where all the issues stemmed from.
AKA, child abuse...
super geeky: exactly: it is a horrible crime which can perpetuate through many generations: ie: a generational curse which can only be broken by Jesus Christ: THE Saviour of the world, amen!!
All paedos have been paedoed
@@calebpaulsen3159 E X A C T L Y: WELL SAID: SOOO OBVIOUS!!! "IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK", ETC!!!
@Izabella Aof EXACTLY!!! Apparently MJ actually paid a lot of so called "parents" off to keep them quiet: "money talks" or in this case kept a lot of unbelievably greedy idiots who did not even care about their own precious children: QUIET!!! 😲😧😨😰😢😭😤
The story of the train station changed the entire narrative of Leaving Neverland, which was that MJ would no longer have sexual attraction for boys over the age of 14. Safechuck claims to have been sexually abused by MJ between 1988 and 1992 and one of the places where he was allegedly abused was the train station, which was not finalized until 1994. However, in 1994 he was 17 or 18 years old and this does not fit the narrative mentioned above at all. Moreover, in Leaving Neverland Wade and James said that they had never met each other before Leaving Neverland and that MJ was trying to keep his "victims" apart. However, behind the scenes of the production of the Jam video clip filmed in 1991, we can see that Wade, Brett Barnes and James Safechuck are together.
wrong. it was built in 93. so he could have been 15. Wade also said after a long time not seeing Michael when he came to his room he was higher than him, Michael proceeded the usual oral routine but not only that it was the first time he wanted more, he attempted anal. So it still all fits. And he continued to have relationships with boys. The next was Omar Batti from a poor village in Norway. He moved that kid to his house too, bought him cars, etc. the same grooming.
@@kresimirzex2720
Debunking Leaving Neverland 'Lie By Lie' ~ Lie #4: "Sex at the Train Station"
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Lol it is so funny that this type of comment which contains true facts does not have any haters.
Hates just know how to say fake informations but does not know how to accept true facts.
I would like to see how haters gonna say about this😂
@@kresimirzex2720 Wrong the building permit was approved in dec 93 and it was completed in 1994, thats solid evidence because camera crew were there to film him and Lisa Marie Presley when the train station finally opened,and that was 94. So now get the facts straight.
@@kresimirzex2720 it was being built in 93 but it was completely finished by 94 so that twisted their narrative because they said the abuse ended in 92 but being abused at a train station that was barely being built by the end of 93 and finish to give to the public by 94? Its alittle fishy to me cuz thats 2 yrs after they said the abuse stopped the "director" himself said they were wrong when the builter or whoever it was that built the train station showed a document of the outline of how it was going to be built and showed the date of this document which was around December of 1993
It is a pleasure to listen someone that makes me think, instead of trying to convince me, thank you !
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making you use your head is pretty fundamental to making any convincing argument
@@torstenheling3830 I mean yeah anyone that has access to even basic cognition knows MJ was a monster.
MJ was ‘smart enough’ to know which boys he needs to hold back on & which he can go all the way with. While he was best friends with Macaulay Caulkin, MJ knew to not cross the line with Caulkin because of his popularity. Now kids like James & Wade were kids not in the limelight so it would be easier for MJ to get away with it… in my opinion.
I came to the same conclusion, and I will add this: To me, it is suspicious that these two accusers waited until Michael was dead. It makes me suspect their motives as being purely financial gain; perhaps justified by them telling themselves it can't hurt Michael because he's no longer here. Regardless, again I concur, it's tragic.
There is nothing that suggests that the two specifically waited for Michael to pass away. Both Safechuck and Robson explain in the documentary that the phase of having their own children is what significantly contributed to helping them recognize and accept that they indeed were abused by Michael. That being said it is not unusual for victims to come forward after the perpetrator is no longer present; just take a look at Jimmy Saville's case. Are you to suggest that the hundreds of alleged Saville's victims were also driven by financial gain?
@@McYaballow B.S. Both are opptunist vultures. And so are their families.
@@McYaballow exactly
Or maybe Micheal can't hurt them because he's dead.
@@McYaballow So hundreds of alleged victims came forward to testify in Jimmy Saville's case and in Michael Jackson's case where are the hundreds? Where are they? If Michael were guilty why will it be only 2 to 5 people? Why don't you use your head? Even though the handwriting is on the wall yet people with wicked and malicious intent keep peddling lies. Ample investigations were clearly carried out and nothing was found. Michael was being monitored for several years, also his house was turned upside down yet nothing was found. Even his accusers told blatant lies which were proved beyond all reasonable doubts to be lies. One of these accusers said Michael molested him at the train house at Neverland when he was a certain age in a certain year. It was found that the train house had not been built at the year he mentioned when he was that age. And a host of other allegations that don't add up. These accusers will end up going to jail if they keep pushing it because what they are doing is criminal offence.
Can we get "I'm not a fan of boring things" on a t-shirt please? 😂🙌
YEA good idea :)
With the cactus with glasses. Which is kinda boring - the juxtaposition would be beautiful
I would buy that shirt
@@mylastestaddiction739 So would I !
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The only unbiased, nor emotionally driven review I've heard so far. Thank you, you have my respect!
That is why I like Dr. Grande's channel. Even when he is going to catch a lot of flak he is still honest and sticks to the facts as they are known (since a lot of the facts never become public knowledge).
Absolutely I throughly appreciate this...
Normally I like Dr. Grande's reviews and analysis. But not this one. I found the movie not boring at all and I feel like Grande misses the bigger picture about the kind of offender Michael might have been.
The master criminal theory is not in that movie at all imo. I don't know what Grande watched but this time I can see he was previously biased. The offender Michael might have been is not a master criminal but more of a naive pedophile with too much power and an unique way of grooming based on his persona. I would have expected a totally different kind of analyses even though Grande does make some reasonable points.
@@hinglemccringleberry7265 My sentiment exactly! Whether you believe the victims or not.... how in the world do you find the documentary boring? Seems disingenuous.
@@jeffreyking4448 How do you *not* find it boring? At least 30% of the “documentary” is repeated drone shots from high in the sky. It just goes on and on. Also, I was born in 1978, and like Dr. G, I lived this in real time. I remember everything as it occurred. I remember Michael being my first favorite artist, my first crush, my first huge confusion over his ever-changing appearance and the constant tabloid reports. I remember when the first accusations happened and, on live television, Michael (via satellite from his home) spoke out and urged the world to allow him to prove his innocence. Then, I recall that he settled, rather than doing so.
As a lifelong, hardcore MJ and Janet fan (I honestly do not love any artists more than them), I recall feeling conflicted and questioning his innocence. That went on for a number of years, though it never deterred my adoration for his craft. Still, I doubted him. I recall when the Basher documentary was aired. It looked so bad. Michael seemed so lost and so opposite of the man I’d loved from the age of 2. It was difficult to look at him. It hurt my spirit. It was painful to imagine all of the craziness. But, again, I watched and lived all of this stuff in real time, and I’m leaving out things, as there’s just so damn much (his marriage and on/off relationship with Lisa Marie, his absurd sham of a marriage to Debbie because she was his surrogate and he was still seeing Lisa Marie, how he looked and seemed at his celebration that was filmed in NYC just a day or two before the 911 attacks, etc).
Phew. There’s more to unpack than I have the energy. But NONE of it was boring. This movie is one-sided trash with absolutely no evidence, and though it shouldn’t exist at all, if it had to, it should’ve been 90 minutes, at most. Finally, I have read, watched, and listened to every piece of evidence from the State of California and the FBI files, as related to Michael Jackson and these allegations. It took a long damn time to do, but I did it. And, finally, Wade Robson is a snake in the grass. Just a few years before this “documentary,” he can be found singing Michael’s praises and insisting he will be apart of the Vegas show that was created. Wade was not hired or used for said gig. Wade is not a honest or noble person. Read up and learn about him. He’s after money. That’s a fact. He feels entitled to said money. As for Safechuck, he just seems easily swayed and desperate, too.
Money money money money, money. Some people will do anything for it.
Debbie Smith its already 2020 and you still believe that sh!t 🙄 have you ever heard about gavin arvizo wrote a letter to his teacher about how he lied that mj didnt molest him??? please do some research or watch mj documentaries
@Debbie Smith Dude, people 4get to mention these children never slept alone at Michael Jackson's two floorsuite, there were always other adults around and girls as well. Michael always slept upstairs. They like to dirty things and say there were only boys. There were always girls as well.
Arthur Summers not according to the testimony of his defence witnesses, Bret Barnes, Wade Robson and Macaulay Culkin in the 2005 trial. It’s not even disputed by MJ himself that he had spent HUNDREDS of nights ALONE sharing a bed overnight with pre pubescent boys.
@@duanedibbley258 Michael Jackson never shared his bed entirely alone with any boy. If you really were aware of the real situation regarding the 2005 Trial you would know that.
Duane Dibbley Liar liar pants on fire! If you don’t want karma to bite you in the behind and have you falsely accused of a serious crime, then stop lying about innocent people. All of those children have said he was an angel to them and never hurt them. It’s their greedy evil parents who will pay the price. Using such a disgusting claim to exploit their children for money. They will never have peace of mind.
I think MJ was asexual and remained a child in his heart and soul for not having had a childhood himself. He wanted to catch up on a lost childhood and didn’t realized that we was an adult longing to have friends who were children, the friends he missed as a child. Poor MJ, RIP.
Usually asexual people don't get married - unless of course they wanna cool down the rumors of 'attraction to little boys'. Poor Lisa Marie.
he wss defo a peado
No he was not he made kids with Debbie Rowe naturally .
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@@haintedhouse2990 regardless if Michael was or wasn’t ace, that’s just not true. Many asexuals get married out of love or companionship.
I always felt that even if he was totally innocent, as an adult, regardless of his past or present emotions, he should've known and considered how his behavior would look and be interpreted.
Exactly. A grown man should never have underage boys sleeping in his bed with him. 2:48
I think it was his childhood trauma from his father. He don't realize how weird it is to share a bed with children, especially boys because they're the same sex and Michael's not gay. The children he invited to the house were orphans, seriously ill and had no childhood, he just thought it was right to share love with them, and everyone should do it. He never invited anyone to his bed, they played around his house and slept wherever they wanted, he used to sleep on the ground or go to another room to sleep. It's funny that anyone who gets into your bed means you sexually abuse them😂An important detail ignored, Michael's bedroom has two floors. And the kids who took the initiative to come and make friends with Michael are the ones who sued him for sexual assault, obviously they had a motive to get acquainted with Michael. Michael had worked with a lot of kids before, and nothing happened after Michael was first sued in 1993, and this lawsuit, needless to say, clearly they lied about money.
@@jeremiahsymonette4781 he was a big star since he was five. As he said himself that is the reason why he was not normal. Adding all the trauma and abuse he went through and being sold to executives in hotels that explains why he was so stunted
I want everyone to watch what I'm about to upload about that 1993, 1st case that will ABSOLUTELY prove MJ was innocent. After you watch it, you will see that I have info going back decades.
@@scottdavidson526not the bed that you think of. you maybe think just a bed, but MJ’s bedroom was huge dive bed into three rooms with games and the a lots of beds and the bunk bed.
I once read an interview with Meryl Streep. She said she was once in the same dressing room as Michael Jackson and she asked him what happened. He looked at her dead in the face with tears in his eyes and told her that he created Neverland so disadvantaged children could have the childhood he never had. He said something like, "I wanted to make the world a better place for children but now its all been ruined by them." And then he started crying and Streep cried with him and they bawled their eyes out in that room. So ever since then, she is a staunch believer in his innocence.
After reading this, I believe in his innocence, too. I don't understand why it's hard for people to get their minds around the fact that MJ liked the company of children more then say....women? If anyone has seen or watched biographies of his childhood, they'll come away with one single fact. MJ NEVER had a childhood. He was a money-making machine for his father since 5! Imagine working and being around adults your whole life. He never had sleepover parties, he never had parties full stop. His health was ruined while working (he was burnt pretty badly during the commercial, that is a LOT of pain to deal with). He had all this money and the only thing he really wanted was his childhood back. You don't think after finally getting away from his father and having all this money, he would want to live vicariously through the children that he befriended? That's just my take.
Oh please ! Liars are real good at FAKE tears. GMAFB ! Oh he's innocent cuz...Meryl ! Really ? His house keeper said she saw him in the shower nude with a child. Is she lying ?
I also think that was a lot of the reason why he did so much to his face with plastic surgery. I think every time he saw a glimpse of his father Joe in his own face he wanted to cut that part of his face right out... so his was more than just an addiction to plastic surgery. Or some attempt to "whiten" himself.
Sexual abusers are manipulators. I am a victim of sexual abuse and on the outside the individual was praised and seen an innocent man.
South Park actually raised a pretty good point about whether or not he's innocent or guilty when Cartman uses the same arguments people used about him just wanting a childhood and doing so by using children he befriended, with there being nothing sexual at all going on.
It doesn't matter why he was doing what he was doing. He was a grown adult with adult responsibilities and children of his own to take care of. His weirdness was not appropriate, whether it was sexual or not, and enabling his behavior because you sympathized with his situation just makes him worse. Whether or not he was abusing children, he needed therapy and professional help, not to be allowed to do whatever he wanted unchallenged. In fact, his weirdness would eventually lead to his death.
@@daliakm178 I think that separating the art from the art means that whatever he did or who he was shouldn't reflect on his art.
I hate Polanski, but Chinatown is one of my favorite movies, for instance. Whatever Michael did (I'm sure that he did mention kissing one of the boys at one point) shouldn't mean that you can't appreciate Thriller.
Wade and James's stories actually haven't been consistent. Wade has changed his story multiple times since 2013 and James didn't hop on board until he knew of Wade's lawsuit with the Michael Jackson estate.
AlecoSound exactly!
I'm not sure totally either way but, since there's no credible evidence of such antics unfortunately I must rule in the favor of the Michael Jackson estate
@D B There are, a lawsuit against the estate for that 1.5 Billion dollars from that mockumentary. Disgusting piece of shit.
That is a fact indeed.
@@greatest_bumble_bee_dude I find it incredibly difficult to believe that only after becoming a father, Wade didn't realize a 30 year old man having anal sex with him as a 7 year old was abuse.
Dr. Grande, thanks for this video and all other videos you put out here. It truly shows how objective you are in analyzing these situations and people. I think the news media could learn a thing or two from you on how to be objective in reporting on issues. I really admire you as a person of integrity. The world needs more people like you. God bless you 🙏
i’ve heard that people can become stuck at the maturity level they had at the time of being traumatized. we KNOW joe jackson was a monster who abused and exploited every member of his family, forcing a very young michael to work like an adult performer. it makes sense to me that MJ never really matured past that early time in his life. perhaps mentally, he was 9 years old, and could only relate to other people at that level. because he was forced to work harder than any child ever should, he had an amazing work ethic throughout his life, and of course he was extraordinarily talented, leading to his success. but he never really had any successful romantic relationships. personally, i believe MJ was a generous person who loved helping others; and he spent his free time playing with kids with whom he could identify. we can never know for sure, but i do believe MJ was innocent, and an easy target
There’s a Brazilian documentary called “Michael Jackson: innocent or guilty?”, and there we can see that all of that accusations were inconsistents in many matters. The film doesn’t defend Michael, just the truth. They did a lot of analysis, including facial.
Adding to your perspective, its also known that children with abusive parents can form abusive habits themselves. Micheal didnt mature mentally, but sexually he was. If you cant see the red flags there u just dont want to.
I developed through Dissociative Identity Disorder from my abuse, definitely not stuck at the age I was abused, but I do happen to have a fragment of me in the form of a child-like alter that is
I agree, Michael was most likely emotionally stuck in childhood.
If you watch the Bashir special "Living with Michael Jackson" and you go toward the end when Bashir is interviewing the boy who recovered from cancer, there's a moment that the boy says:
"he really a child at heart, he acts just like a child."
I think that's it. I think the other kids just saw him as a big kid because maturity wise and emotionally he was.
Also, if you watch Michael's face he looks very sad as the boy continues on comparing Michael to a child.
I wonder if Michael was a bit self-aware in his naming of Neverland Ranch. If he realized, either through counseling or just being self-aware, that he was the living embodiment of Peter Pan...unable to mentally grow up.
@@UnBroken11100 I knew somebody with PeterPan syndrome. They are an adult physically but child mentally, he did end up being arrested and charged as a sexual predator. No matter the age, there is still a need of a system of discipline in order to learn, which children often have trouble grasping unless something mundane traumatizes a child, usually something such as touching hot objects, getting bit by an insect etc. Children will often repeat an action without proper discipline. Michael might not have realized what he was doing was wrong, but being America's pop sweetheart proceeded to protect him. Children are capable of lying when confronted as well this includes adult children. The parents were obviously part of the problem. If Michael were here today, I feel he should have had at least a fair trial, bit not without consequence. From what we know, based on his upbringing, the man wasn't right in the head from the start. His musical concepts were good, but when it came to everything else such as mental health, there we need consider it wasn't all glitter and glory
You really handled this is a fair, unbiased way. After hearing this, I don’t know either. I didn’t see the movie. I don’t think I want to. Thank you.
From the person that saw the movie and did his research. Leaving Neverland is just a one-sided documentary that doesn't have no evidence or anything to backup the claim that Michael Jackson molested children
It's a real waste of 4 hours. I only managed to watch an hour of it and that was more than enough
@MARIAMA BARRY Yes the mens experiences is not proof (that was sarcasm in case you were wondering). You probably also believe Bill Cosby is innocent.
@@katrinetroelsen But we can't look into their heads if it was their actual experience or made up. I mean other men had the experience Michael was innocent. Should what they say be proof too? Just because they say it was their experience? I don't think so
@@katrinetroelsen An accusation is not proof. How would you like it if we went around saying you were a child diddler without proof? What would you hope people would do? Believe us because we said so? That would be stupid. Thank God that is not how this country is supposed to run. Look up Due Process.
When I worked as a medical social worker I discovered that clients who were being untruthful with me usually embellished their stories in order to attempt to add validity to their claims. Sadly, I finally began to notice an unsettling pattern which was that people who were dishonest often went over the top with their accusations. It appears as though Wade Robson and James Safechuck have fallen into the same pit. It's always astonishing to see just how far people will go for money--they will completely ignore the harm done to others in endeavors to get what they want.
Very interesting, about the embellished stories. More Psych's need that insight.
Kittygirl C Exactly! The two fools gave themselves away with how over the top and graphic they were. They did that to compensate for the fact that they were lying their asses off. Also what “victim” refers to abuse as “sex”?
As a real csa survivor,,,,I absolutely don’t believe these two
Genevieve Hansen me too on both counts (survivor of csa and I don’t believe these men are telling the truth).
I got the same feeling about it. I thought Jame's descriptions were too vividly detailed to really be a memory. I still think hey were either coached or they scripted it.
I’m not sure if he was criminally guilty, but he clearly had an unusual and In my opinion unhealthy fondness for children. For me that’s the bottom line.
Mostly boys and that is scary
The idea that a child might lie under oath - to save the reputation of a man who has abused them but whom they still care for/love (not to mention the child's own feelings of shame) is not necessarily a 'problem' IMO.
I would imagine it is fairly common for children to deny abuse when asked by those in authority. Here we have children who are being asked to speak in public - to the world no less - to tarnish the reputation of a man who is godlike - I do not find this problematic.
They didn't lie under oath, you Fool - They told the truth then. Read: themichaeljacksonallegations.com/
@Lizzie Allen - you sound a bit annoyed - all I said was that, in principle, the idea that a victim would deny - even under oath - that abuse had taken place is not necessarily a problem. The relationship between the abuser and his/her victim is often complex and involves genuine feelings of love, jealousy (against other kids they see being given attention) and perhaps most importantly shame. All of these emotions may make it hard to admit anything happened - fear of what might happen to the person they love is another one. read May Angelou's autobiography I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings: she told about a man who raped her and he was beaten up - he might have been killed - long time since I read it - Angelou was so mortified that she remained mute for over a year.
You might just want to take a moment to think about why a person's demeanour might change (as you point out above) from apparently polished/rehearsed to being hesitant/mumbling etc. And incidentally it is strange that you point this out because another MJ supporter has said the opposite - that they were rehearsed/scripted and too polished during their interviews.
These historic cases are always difficult to prove because there is, effectively, no evidence. Because of this the police look for details in the witness testimony - especially minute, intimate and peculiar details - details that could only be known to someone who had been intimate with the accused. When they find 2 or more witnesses - especially witnesses who do not know each other - and they both give the same details then they have their smoking gun.Their abuser had a particular Modus Operandi - all abusers have one: these boys were sexually abused by someone - if not MJ then whom do you think it was?
It happens all the time. I know man who was abused by his high school coach, and now, in his 60s, he says he still loves his coach.
@Lizzie Allen They keep changing their allegations and stories so I'm kinda confused now :///
exactly! many abused love their abusers
Okay, so I was skeptical to watch this. I haven't watched this gentleman before. That said, I was surprised at how well said this is. What he said, for me, was definitely thought provoking. Well done.
What conclusion did you end up reaching?
@@philipphawk MJ fans are “flying monkeys” who will attack anyone who claims he’s guilty. The analysis was ultimately neutral which he didn’t expect from a “professional”.
Michael Jackson has always been innocent of everything, as has been proven. These two guys are in financial trouble, and that's all this is about. If Michael were still living, you can bet your life, none of this would be happening. The truth is the truth is the truth!!
@@philipphawk Above anything else, that this "doctor" is full of crap.
He’s so annoyed at the fact it was 4 hours I can’t blame him 😂😂
i was held to high expectations and abused at a young age, which has affected my wellbeing as I’ve been navigating adulthood. I grew up at a young age as a result of trauma, and lost contact with my inner child, and ability to be happy or enjoy anything, and i had a disdain for children and happy people. i started babysitting/nannying this year, and quickly realized that working with children is extremely fulfilling and rewarding to someone like me, because i can practice mindfulness and skills to help both the children and myself grow. i have unconditional love for the children, and i denied it out of fear of seeming creepy. but children are innocent, naturally happy, developing human beings and interacting with them has been the most fulfilling experience i’ve had. mj’s case is different, but im just explaining how older people can form positive healthy relationships with children
Dd you ever bring them into your bed?
@@saoirserubio536 no never. i’m affectionate when they want me to be and when they don’t, i enjoy using it as an opportunity to teach them how to enforce boundaries
self proclaimed disdain of happy people and kids...appreciate your honesty 😲
That Robson mother really irritated me and I agree that the appalling lack of judgement displayed (by both mothers) was egregious.
@nemoran That's not a tremendous shock. I understood why Wade & his wife didn't trust her alone with their children, to be honest.
What is especially repulsive is the lack of judgement from Michael Jackson, absolutely disgusting
@nemoran Excellent. Your comments are always totally accurate.
@nemoran Or that Michael is dead.
@@forestofthoughts4223 What "lack of judgement"?
MJ was one of the few celebrities in history who becomes more innocent the more you research not only him but the ones around him. RIP brother
The deeper you go down the rabbit hole that was MJ's life, the more you see how otherworldly pure he was.
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Very very true!!
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That's weird, the more I do research, the more guilty he appears to me. Go figure...
Solange Beaumarchais and where are you getting your research from...?
i have always felt that Michael was likely guilty of poor boundaries and probably had developmental issues. I'm the same age as he would be and i remember how famous he was at such a young age, it's likely he never had 'normal' childhood experiences. it was also always rumored that his father was harsh and demanding, pushing him beyond his limits, using Michael and the other children for his own aggrandizement. How could a child raised in that way possibly learn to develop healthy human relationships and boundaries? (of course one could argue that a few of his siblings may have turned out to be reasonably functional adults) The scope of his talent and generosity makes him appear to be sensitive and emotional, but with no other outlet than fantasy which he had the means to express creatively, but not interpersonally. I don't know if this was addressed in the movie but he was also a pretty severe drug addict, which further impacted his judgement and behavior, and ultimately led to his death. I'm not ruling out that he may have been sexually inappropriate, but I don't see him as doing it for manipulation or control. I believe he was a lonely tragic man, trying to live the childhood he never had and found joy in sharing that with other disadvantaged children who would also been deprived of a 'normal' childhood. Alas, as you said, we will never know. R.I.P. MJ
Yeah he had developmental issues. He was abused severely by his father, and was forced to work as a performer from a young age. That’s not gonna produce a normal person.
Not to mention the fact that the media has always painted him as weird and bizarre, allowing us to believe any narrative that could be construed about him. For example like when they used to say his skin was white because he didn’t want to be black anymore. A lot of us believed that and not until he died did the autopsy actually tell us he had been telling the truth. :/
@smarts Can't, or won't? Because if you can't, you should get some remedial assistance. If you won't, then don't. Good luck trying to change one random person's writing on the internet. 👍
@@threelena3879 HE TOLD THE WORLD DURING OPRAH'S INTERVIEW.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE DIDN'T BELIEVE HIM!!!
R.I.P. MICHAEL~~~
Pediphiles in general are people that are stuck at certain age. Hence the love of hanging out around kids of certain gender and age. That's where they feel comfortable, sexually...
I appreciate the objective analysis in this video. During 2019 I was really disappointed at the number of people who watched leaving neverland and ignored how one sided it was and assume Michael Jackson’s guilt.
I’ve always been skeptical about the molestation accusations leveled at Jackson. They always had the smell of being financially motivated. Of course it’s impossible for me to say with absolute certainty what happened because I wasn’t there and the available evidence isn’t enough to draw a conclusion that goes beyond the shadow of doubt. But at the same time some of Jackson’s choices did him no favors. The decision to settle the 1993 civil case rather than prove his innocence and the time he spent with kids don’t look good on the most basic optics level and they made him appear to be an easy target to an unscrupulous operator.
I do think there could be an interesting deep dive into how Jackson became the kinda guy who always felt that affinity with children. something I assume was a result of a childhood spent in the spotlight, which invariably robbed him of a normal childhood and left him as an ultra wealthy man trying to reclaim his lost childhood in his thirties and forties. Everyday people have a particular reaction when wealthy and famous people use their money to gain access to people significantly younger than themselves. When it’s an old rich man essentially buying the affection of a beautiful woman in her twenties a combination of disgust and envy is common. But when it’s a grown man using his wealth and fame to hang out with kids in their tween years bits not hard to frame that as the actions of a groomer. It makes me wonder if anyone on Jackson’s staff urged him to reconsider based on how it might look. Somehow I doubt anyone on his payroll dared to have that discussion with him based on a desire to not compromise their source of income. And even if someone tried it’s unlikely he’d have listened.
Michael Jackson was killed by the forces that be. They are the ones who paid for this campaign to tarnish his image. Notice how this doc was released just before the 10 year anniversary of his death? I’m convinced of this more than ever, he said it many times that these people were going to kill him one day. Please believe me, this is not a conspiracy.
Michael Jackson's attorney's talked him into settling that 1993 civil lawsuit out of court. He had also disclosed to his attorney's how much it would break his heart to force a completely innocent child to testify(lie) under oath, in a court of law. He knew that the child had been traumatized enough by his own parents and putting him on the witness stand would only further traumatize the child. It is so disgusting that people would actually emotionally and psychologically abuse their own child/children just for money. What so many people did to Michael Jackson is so heartbreaking.
The Michael Jackson case reminds me so much of a Sherlock Holmes tale. Michael Jackson looked and acted in a way that made him LOOK guilty to the casual observer, but when the facts and circumstances are actually studied, the accusations against him fall apart.
Once you get past that, you can go back and look at why Jackson acted the way he did, and it’s really just a tragedy. Assuming he is innocent (which, again, the facts strongly sugges), his life is one of the saddest you could possibly have. My belief is he desperately wanted to be loved by his father and others, but instead he took constant abuse and his way to cope with it was to create a place where he could both experience what it was like to be a child and also act as a father figure for children he believed could have had lives similar to his. He didn’t want any child to grow up the way he did. It was socially inappropriate at times, but I do not believe he was a predator and I believe he was genuinely naive and good-natured.
I only started believing this recently. I was watching Michael's eyes as he performed at 11. Go back to those videos. He was in fear, definitely of Joseph. Because he worked so much as a child, he was uneducated, so when he said things like the most loving thing you can do is share your bed, is definitely misunderstood.
Michael Jackson was guilty. and anyone who defends him is probably guilty too!
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Oh yes because telling a child, "if you love me you'll sleep in my bed"
That sentence alone says everything. And the families basically sold their kids.
There are so many pedos that hide In plain sight. Reminds me of Jimmy Saville here in the UK.
@@roxannemoser he was not uneducated, he was actually very smart and very well read. But he did not have the social building blocks the rest of us have, no friend, clubs, school or social life. Locked away from the world and working the main bread winner for the family at 11. Can you imagine parents dependent on an 10 year old.
y'all don't seem to realize that michael jackson didn't actually sleep with children on a daily basis or even a regular basis. the only real testimony of him sleeping in the same bed as a child is Gavin Arvizo. which is what you all talk about but you're doing it from a 5 second clip where gavin says "michael said if you love me you'll get on the bed" however when you watch the whole damn thing, the context of the situation is that gavin wanted to sleep with michael but michael decided that he'd sleep on the floor and leave the bed to gavin. gavin insisted but michael stood his ground and said that quote to him. on top of that, they werent actually alone. frank cascio (michael's assistant at the time and family friend) said that michael invited him to sleep on the floor with him because apparently he didn't trust the arvizo family and he didn't want to sleep alone with the kid.
I also just read that his niece was there the whole time Wade Robson was there and they actually ended up dating as teens. So she contradicts his story
@Sally Ann I'm honestly curious which video? I'm not instigating. I've found a few with the whole conversation/interview and he says Michael wanted him to sleep on the bed and Michael would sleep on the floor. So they went back and forth with "no, you sleep on the bed" "no, you sleep on the bed" and to end it Michael says "if you love me, you'll sleep on the bed" meaning the final you (Gavin) sleep on the bed with your brother and I'll (Michael) will sleep on the floor. Not "if you love me you'll sleep with me in the bed"
@@valerie362 Correct. You saw the same interaction as I & everyone else did but that person is an agenda driven, full time deranged hate Troll. It didn't reply to you because it knows you're right. It distorts the truth all over the comments & frankly, I don't know how it sleeps at night, because what it does is so wrong.
@Sally Ann Do you need for the whole video & the whole dialogue to be posted, you f'n fantasist? Stop trying to bully people, you're obviously a deranged, paid Troll with a whole lot time on your hands.. He was insistent because as in the video, Gavin Arviso, his brother, Frank Casio, and Michael were ALL in the room. As explained before, Troll, as in the unedited video the OP explained to you - Gavin Arviso and his brother asked to stay in MJ's quarters. YOU know this, yet you desperately try to twist the dialogue between them, why? because you are a particularly sick p*edo fantasist. Arviso wanted to sleep on the floor with his brother, MJ wanted to give the best to the guests & so insisted he & his brother take the bed - END OF.
The rest of your rant is YOUR own fantasy projected onto an innocent man. Your imagination is very sick.
@@Angela-gc3kr Exactly. All the people that believe him to be guilty distort the facts given. They add the little twist needed of it to seem like he is guilty. Thats why I feel so much an anwser that Michael gave once. He said that only a depraved minds could automatically associate SLEEPING on a bed with a child to sex. Their minds are so depraved that the simple image of a bed equates to sexual activity. It is a child. A sane mind would not even think anything sexual about a child on a bed.
I think this movie was crap too. I've always felt that because of Michael's own history of abuse and trauma that he stopped growing emotionally at some point, like 10-13. He wanted friends. He loved the innocence of kids and felt like they didn't want anything from him like every other adult in his life did. I don't think he ever abused kids, he just didn't comprehend that it looks bad. He was so innocent in his heart that it didn't click. Also because of his massive wealth and fame, no one ever told him no. That's a bad combination. Oh and Wade Robson has changed his story a million times. I know Aaron Carter isn't the best character witness but he has a bunch of videos about Rob lying.
Last edit*. As odd as their marriage was, Lisa Marie Presley said he was very much attracted to women. She gave interviews after these charges were made.
As a survivor myself..i feel much more comfortable around kids because i know they wont harm me. Being a victim doesnt make you an adult predator. I just believe he felt safe amongst children. Also the bells and alarms to his room..the monster comes at night..its best to be warned when he comes walking down the hall to your door.
He didn't stop growing emotionally. He was an adult who liked being goofy because it was fun and brought him publicity. Without the first accusation, no one would have thought twice about Michael. Michael had adult friends and girlfriends. He befriended families and would go visit them. He wasn't shy, he just was bashful at times.
@@brownin329 Do you know what he went through as a kid? He was shoved into the spotlight form the age of seven and danced and sang like a monkey for hours every day. He never went to normal school and never had friends. His dad beat him constantly and his older brothers did drugs, smoked and had sex in front of him while they were on tour. Then, when he did grow up, he was used as a punching bag by the paparazzi. No wonder he preferred spending time with children. He was clearly seriously abused and that screwed with his head so much that I don't believe he ever really learned how to grow up properly.
@@brownin329 when a kid gets traumatized (could be by fame, emotional abuse, physical abuse, verbal abuse, religion, sexual abuse etc theres a lottt of things that can cause a child trauma) michael jackson most likely experienced at least in moments of stress and anxiety a sort of age regression because if a situation reminds him of his past trauma its likely he'll revert back to whatever age he was in that moment
@@anyatindall5678 , that's a cakewalk compared to tens of millions of lives the world order who did not become world famous, beloved superstars. None of it can possibly excuse the actions of a serial child rapist.
Dr. Grande, you crack me up. I'm glad you're not a fan of boring things. Same for me! :) With that said, I've watched several of your videos before landing on this one. I was scared to view it. Being an 80s baby, I grew up watching Michael Jackson on MTV and was a big fan in my teens. After this boring movie came out (which I didn't watch) I spent a considerable amount of time researching the allegations, previous cases, family history, inconsistencies, and even driving out to Neverland Ranch, I am convinced Michael Jackson is innocent.
Thank you for presenting this case as unbiased as possible.
The alleged room alarm looks suspicious if you don't factor in the fame factor. The greater one's celebrity, the greater target one becomes. I wish George Harrison had had an alarm/safe room.
Also, the alarm helped Michael's case at the trial. The defence used it disprove one of the accuser's claims. Star Arvizo said he sneaked into the room, crept up the stairs and witnessed abuse, but the alarms prevented anybody without keys from accessing Michael's room without the bell going off.
Yeah. I'm also wondering if it could have been due to the abuse he suffered as a kid. Kind of like PTSD. He always struck me as someone stunted. Or maybe something similar to a dissociative disorder. And as such created a world and state of mind he felt safe in, a childlike world & mind...places he never got a chance to inhabit as an actual child.
So he turned his home into a child's paradise, filled it with the little ppl he wasn't allowed to be & ppl that couldn't hurt him (children), and secured the place where we are most vulnerable (bedroom while sleeping) with alarms to keep out the proverbial monsters.
It's also just a story. Probably a story made up to make him look bad 😭 there's home clips of Michael's house where there's no bell by his room bruh.
Its just weird for a grown ass man to "share his bed" with children no matter how you look at it.
MJ fans try to excuse the bed sharing by one way or another. I’d say that if any other grown man were sharing a bed with a child that wasn’t their own child, but even that to a degree, would be considered suspicious.
@@lovecraftscat5044 suspicious and guilty of sexual abuse are two different things though.
michael has stated that he’s slept on the floor
Absolutely. It’s definitely weird. I feel like most people would agree. It doesn’t make him guilty of literally molesting kids though.
It might be for you. But for MJ he was deprived completely of his childhood. He never had friends to play with. His childhood consisted of abusive strict practicing. He has said several times he is childish and sees himself as peter pan, he made a huge play ranch in his home which says a lot. Even his voice was always that of a child. According to psych when a child doesn't complete a developmental phase healthily, It will follow as an adult. So for that sort of circumstances I don't find it weird he liked to play with children. In fact I find it weird he kept his selfless nature despite all.
One thing is for certain this video was way more interesting than the "Leaving Never Land Documentary"
You do know that sex crime victims feel so much shame and mixed feelings for the perpetrator and don’t always come forward immediately. Rape victims are rarely believed.
That would apply to REAL victims of real abuse. NOT two crap, broke actors out to fleece a convientely dead icon's children since 2013. And the fkers keep failing.
As a trained clinician in psychology, I'm sure he's aware of that.
@@tylerchambers6246 his comments fail to reflect that.
@@TheDivayenta The fact that victims of sex crimes are not quick to come forward and might be in denial about what happened to them is not evidence that MJ did anything.
Lol wut? They are pretty much ALWAYS believed, even when all the evidence clearly shows they are lying
Yea wow. They told their story after he died. My cousin molested me at 3. He was shot and killed when I was 9. I didn't tell anyone til I was 13. When I was 9 my dad molested me. I'm 31 now. My mom died four years ago and I never told her. I didn't really understand what happened. My father was schizophrenic and the abuse involved a lot of catatonic behavior. So I was left confused and disocating. I wouldn't understand this until a few years ago while in therapy.
I don't find these circumstances to be strange at all. And I don't find the story to be unbelievable either!
I am so sorry to hear that. You are extraordinarily strong. God Bless you. The demonic realm is real and it was using your father against you.
What people don't realize is MJ was a Billionaire with people fixing things for him- he could put a hit out on people who talked. ...Anyone defending him does not know his own words of confession.
OK but what was most suspicious about the documentary was the mother of Safechuck said she "danced for joy when MJ died for what he did to her son" in 2009 when he would have been nine years old, ´when Safechuck himself said both in a sworn court deposition and on Oprah that he "didn't realize he was molested until he was 13 years old", so the mother couldn't have known back in 2009. Also Safechuck alleged that the abuse intensified in 1989 after MJ's Grammy performance in New York, despite the fact that the Grammy's was held in LA that year. But leaving all that aside, where is the hard evidence? All we have to go on is their word. Last time I checked it was only women who got believed without question, I thought men still had to provide proof? Yeah I smell a massive money grubbing rat.
@@Crypticmind242 Fact check: James Safechuck was born in 1978. That would make him 31 at the time of MJ's death.
@@Crypticmind242 Everybody has to remember everything perfectly. Dates, places, details all have to be in order, otherwise it's not true. Why don't you look back at your life and see how much you remember, and all the things you get wrong.
This one is hard. It could just be that Michael was a weird dude and the alleged victims parents saw a paycheck
If there was ever a "victim" who wasnt looking for money; you might have a point. But all of them only went in TV fir paid interviews and they all looked for handouts.
That's definitely what I think. I'm a huge MJ fan, I won't deny he was a strange man. Not Criminal, not even perverse. Obviously he was quite different from the start, being on stage from a young age. Those parents saw an opportunity and they took it.
This is exactly it. He was the biggest star we had back then and very a sweet/trusting persona.
Michael was just a weird guy. It was all about the money believe it.
That is what I think. I do not think MJ molested anyone.
Reading this as a Brit who's watched the Jimmy Saville scandal, you definitely don't need to be a criminal mastermind to get away with years of abuse, you just need to keep your mouth shut, because you are surrounded by people who have a huge vested interest in not believing in the abuse and protecting you.
Exactly. And after his death many people have come out about what they knew was going on.
That may be so, but Saville's case bears no resemblance to the MJ case. Saville was protected by the BBC and the police wilfully and deliberately ignored multiple reports of abuse and undertook a huge cover up instead of serious investigation. The press made him out to be some kind of hero. Saville was also protected by the royal family. Hundreds of victims and people who witnessed the abuse came forward and did not ask for money and saville's former associates at the BBC have stated that his behaviour was lude and predatory; this was common knowledge amongst staff. Staff at the hospitals where he used vulnerable and sick children have also come forward and talked about how their concerns were ignored and were not listened to. Nurses, secretaries. Dozens of people talked about how he would take caravans onto the road with him so that he could lure children into them. Saville had free and unlimited access to several establishments for which he had keys and was allowed to roam freely around independently, with no-one to question or challenge him. Many children, who are now adults have come forward and talked about their experiences of being rounded up by saville and his accomplices to be taken to paedophilia dens where he and others would subject multiple children to abuse.
MJ was subjected to gruelling and inhumane investigatory procedures by various agencies, was vilified in the press was under constant surveillance for the best part of two decades which culminated in a criminal trial which returned FOURTEEN 'not guilty' verdicts and exposed multiple lies and contradictions and efforts to deceive by the prosecution (including attempts to falsify evidence against him). Every single accuser exposed as liars, grifters, extortionists and self- entitled scam artists.
So you see, completely different😏Research is key my friend.
Subjecting anyone, especially children, to any kind of abuse, is horrific and dispicable and destroys people's lives. But so does making false accusations - especially where those have been proven inauthentic time and time and time again😖.
I wonder what part NAMBLA had in all this?
BBC covered for saville and were aware of his behaviour. There were loads of people went to police they were not seeking money
@Sally Ann Gavin; MJ said; "You sleep in the bed, I sleep on the floor" @BS Bashir doc!
Another skillful analysis. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
I would love to hear you breakdown the case of Kurt Cobain, or, more so if you believe the information we have access to points more to his suicide or to him being killed. Thanks for all of the amazing content.
EDIT: I did not mean to spur any arguments in the replies to this comment. I was just asking for Dr. Grande’s expert opinion on the mental health aspects of the topic as most books and documentaries about Cobain/Nirvana tend to brush over that aspect of his life and death, especially because the world was not as informed on the subject back in 1994. Thanks for the feedback!
Watch this guy
There is absolutely nothing to support the idea that Kurt was murdered...he was in awful shape and had nearly died on tour in Italy just before his death. The shotgun shell that was on the wrong side of his body could have ricocheted off the wall after ejection or moved/accidentally kicked by the guy that found him first. But IF someone did it, how skank wife was involved. But I doubt it.
@@barefootroofer That is not correct. There is plenty to support a supposition of murder. There is a book called Who Killed Kurt Cobain. It will help you understand that Kurt was most likely murdered.
eydie sanders sooo, you’re stupid and gullible? I read that tripe...It led absolutely nowhere. And much like the guy on the grassy knoll, nothing solid EVER existed other than the fact that he’d attempted suicide on several occasions...grow up...
@@barefootroofer no need to insult her. stay calm and be nice.
“It’s not going to take 4 hours like it did in the movie”. 😂
Four hours of everything but the facts,
@@fightersfan5363 Everything but with facts if you don't include the other eyewitnesses that goes against what the documentary is saying.
@@hideofreakingkojima5457 could you add to that?
@@fightersfan5363 watch Square One please. You'll know the truth. Whenever you want. ✌🏼
@@miriamkiss yeah I’m on your side man. I’ll watch it.
My take on Michael Jackson is that he was extremely screwed up by his father's abuse, and being a child star who never really got to be a child. I think he just wanted to be a kid, and saw kids as more genuine and trustworthy than adults. So had a LOT of problems, but I don't think pedophilia was one of them. Then again I grew up in the early 90s when he was still famous, but also very weird so I had no memories of him being more normal to fall back on.
I grew up in the 60s so my sister n I loved the Jackson 5 and I was clubbing when he went solo and huge success with Thriller in the 80s. Michael Jackson was everywhere in the 80s. So age wise I’m a contemporary to him. Since you guys are younger you’ve got a different view.
Believe it or not there were constant jokes out there about his “strange behavior” and odd affinity to kids. Joke after joke about him liking kids TOO MUCH.
When accusations began everyone I knew was NOT shocked. It made sense. I always believed he didn’t do this with every kid in his life, but it looked like he “fell in love” with some.
When he had that quick marriage to Lisa M. Presley and did that kiss on some awards show EVERYONE thought that confirmed what we we’re thinking, it was weird and then over so fast...left everyone thinking Lias Marie saw something that scared her off quick!
I never thought he was “evil” just obviously a mess in his personal life. No one but the parties involved will ever know the truth.
He didn't just have bells on the way to his room.
He had a giant two story bedroom in his house that was more like an apartment. The door leading to it had a lock / keypad.
He also had a secret/hidden room with the entrance disguised deep in his giant closet. I believe it also required you to crawl some distance to get in, forcing anyone entering to take quite awhile. It was also filled with VHS tapes lol.
Then there's all the testimony of his maids and everyone else.
Spenser Roger I saw interviews with stag maids etc I missed the whole hidden areas....xtra not pointing to a good thing!
@@brusselsprout5851 my house has notifications ring when someone pulls into drive way or crosses certain locations on security cameras with movement and i dont even live in a large property ... imagine living in a freaking mansion complex with all the money in the world and not having a means of dinging my room with various notifications for various things..... i just think that's a short sighted reason to call guilty .... cuz... does that make me guilty??
The housekeeper saw him in the shower with boys. He also sounded like a creepy molester
I'm late here but this is a very well thought out video Dr Grande
Thank you for your interesting analysis. I keep thinking about Michael's last voice recording by Dr. Murry (Michael's personal physician who was charged for 2 years imprisonment as responsible for michael's death ). I was completely amazed by what Michael said to Dr. Murrey in that tape while he was under the influence of Propofile and was in a horrifying state of being. In that recording, right before dying, the only thing he talked about to his Dr. was to build more hospitals for children, how much he loved children, how much he felt their pain, and the fact that he himself had never had a childhood. He obviously could not have been calculating or lying about his deep sense of care, responsibility, and love for children to the last minute of his life. Can such a person be a child abuser? If you haven't heard this recording, please find it on the internet. I would love to hear your comments about it. I am not a"fan" of MJ, but I believe that he is completely innocent and these guys are after money! Thank you.
That video made me cry!😭😭😭 MJ is the kindest person!🙏🙏🙏
The answer is yes, such a person CAN still be a child abuser. There's a possibility that MJ thought that what he was doing wasn't 'abuse'. He probably believed that's how he was showing love and affection, in his own twisted way. He was probably delusional. I think the reasons Dr. Grande lays out as making him look 'suspicious' and guilty are enough to convince anyone of his guilt. This isn't normal behavior, and the only reason it was tolerated and he got away with it every single time was BECAUSE he was so famous and loved. He could do whatever he wanted, and he did.
Also, Dr. Grande should look into the list of items that FBI found in his home that also would add to some highly 'suspicious' behavior. The man literally had a children's theme park in his backyard. His whole behavior, the things he would choose to surround himself with, the clever manipulation of families and victims, the fact that he did not stop after the first accusation. You can't stop a compulsion. You can't stop being attracted to a certain type of person that you're attracted to. He had a 'type'. He didn't sleep with 'kids', he slept with cute little boys, that he would "dispose" of later after they'd grow up. That man was sick and he should have gotten help.
Please stop defending a man that abused children just because he was talented and famous. You can still like and listen to his music, and also see his behavior as sickening.
@@lbthir13en Nothing you wrote is factual. Everything you wrote is based on rumors, lies and prejudice. For example you wrote:
"Also, Dr. Grande should look into the list of items that FBI found in his home that also would add to some highly 'suspicious' behavior."
Maybe you should take your own advice because nothing that was found was child pornography. You are literally repeating lies that you read from either long since debunked articles or from MJ detractors that repeat their lies online. You don't know anything of what you are talking about. If the FBI really did find child pornography, Michael Jackson would've been immediately sent to prison. This demonstrates a complete lack of critical thinking. The proof that exists points to his innocence and it's not even close. Leaving Neverland literally presents no proof of any of its claims and in fact Wade and James are proven liars. Wade even got his first attempt at suing the Michael Jackson Estate thrown out of court because he got caught lying.
"Please stop defending a man that abused children just because he was talented and famous"
Please stop accusing a man who is innocent and has been proven to be so in a court of law. And don't bring up the "OJ got off too" cliche because if you do it'll show again how ignorant you are of the 2005 Michael Jackson trial where the prosecution's case and witnesses were so thoroughly debunked and discredited in cross examination that the defense team actually had a conversation about whether or not it was even necessary to put on a defense at all. It is this ill mentality you are showing where you throw away critical thinking and instead launch into a lynch mob mentality that does not care about facts nor truth that has gotten innocent people like Emmett Till murdered for false accusations. It is your push for no justice and to not hear the accused defend themselves that caused innocent men like the Central Park 5 to serve time in prison and have their lives ruined for being falsely accused of sex crimes.
@@NomadFlow I think you should spend some time researching other non-famous convicted child abusers to get a fresh perspective. You'll notice lots of similarities in the cases, and very similar patterns of behavior and manipulation that MJ has displayed in the past with his own victims.
It's become too easy now to make excuses for MJ's inappropriate behavior and people get too easily blinded by their own denial and love for MJ.
@@lbthir13en Safechuck, Robson, Reed and the media have done a wonderful job on you... you've convinced yourself that their "stories" are correct, when you have NO ACTUAL PROOF AT ALL that they are telling the truth. It's alllllllll about the money... wake up 'n' smell the coffee!!!!! >>> $$$$$$$$$$$
“Emotions interfere with critical thinking!” Remember that!!!
@Sally Ann Now I know for a fact you're either being paid to troll OR YOU have major unresolved issues that you are projecting OR you have drug issues that trolling funds or IMO it's ALL of the above. You are literally cyber bullying people. GET HELP.
@Mary Marron Michael was an oddball. He lost his childhood thanks to mean Joe. But I really don't think he sexually abused any children. Not 1 famous rich person/ child has ever said he touched them. Like the Doc says, He should not of settled. I understand it was a nightmare for Michael, but think about this too... If you were 100% convinced your child was molested, would you want Money, or would you want that person in prison so they can never do this to another child? The parents of the child were perfectly happy taking the 22M. Now.... what if he were guilty..... I guess that makes the parents Pimps! Shame on them!!!!! I still believe to this day Michael was the victim. He was a strange man that acted like a child in many ways. Immature. Trying perhaps to have the experience of what normal children have in the sleepover thing, and making friends. Strange.... yes. But that alone does not make him a pedophile.
This is the most unbiased and well thought out discussion on this topic I've ever seen. Great job!
OMG Stop kissing his ass!
Yes, this topic and every other one he talks about. Non-biased, non-emotional and factual. Plus he's got some sass and that's the icing on the proverbial cake!
This was his most biased. I stopped watching him after that. Scientifically informed rubbish.
Your videos are fascinating. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and skill.
Keep in mind. Wade was trying to get a job as director of my CIRQUE Dr soule show in 2011. Only when he WAS REJECTED and a failed book deal did he come forward with his claims of 'molestation' in 2013. From 1993 to 2013 wade did nothing but praise Michael. He wanted to be involved in any/ everything mj. Only AFTER he didn't get the job he had already bragged about getting in interviews.
2011
A crumbling marriage.an unstable career ... being financially strapped ..drive him to create these claims!
As for James.pretty much everything he said isACTUALLY in A BOOK. " MICHAEL JACKSON WAS MY LOVER " by Victor Gutierrez .... .. research that and its author ( mj sued the author for slander in 97 and WON)
the book is supposedly based on jordan Chandler (93 accuser) supposed "diaries" ( that were never found) I. The book there are references to "mock weddings" etc...
James also needs money. His family's business (trash business) was sued for a lot of money. Right after that happened James decided he also was "molested" by Michael.
Yes girl! Follow the money. Wade started this after he didn't get Circle Soliel. Not credible!
I laughed every single time Dr. Grande said how excruciatingly boring this movie was.
I found t interesting.
I thought it was a very interesting and compelling documentary.
@@DiverseLA They you fell for it like sheep, this was just a scam to get money.
@@DiverseLA Actually it was made for u
@@rodneyboehner3007 I get this video but what about other videos?
Definitely MJ’s actions and behavior looked suspicious. As an overprotective father I would not have left my child alone with Michael but at the same time everyone is innocent until proven guilty and there is really no absolute proof.
facts
@Create Account let me tell you something, why was MJ proved innocent countless times, in 2005? in 2021? and every time wade was thrown off court, if you mention staff im assuming adrian mcmanus correct?
she lied under oath, and admitted lying lmao, no one uses that as evidence anymore so people move on to other reasons why they think mj was a pedophile, if your talking about the underwear stuff and semen dna, if you check the documents it was never meant to be introduced in court, dnas never matched and some other underwear from a local laundry, if you check leaving neverland comments its all against the documentary, its ironic to say all mj fans are pedophiles because his fanbase is over 1 billion, MJ isnt cancelled and is too big to be, home alone actor defended him for years, robson family was only in neverland and mj was onl;y present 4/14 times they were there, and he says "abused 100s of times. one of the 2 accusers lied about getting abused or they saw something in neverland train 1992, but it was built in 93 and opened in 94. Adrian mcmanus was only fired because she stole stuff from neverland. if your thinking wade isnt doing it for the money why do you think he pulled up trying to sue the estate for 1.5 billion dollars, wade and safechuck themselves admitted to lying. MJ literally admitted using the word bed because he defined it as sleeping beside/putting them to sleep or sleeping on the ground. wades on mother called wade out at one point. Lot of media change up the story such as "abused to abuser, there is a quote saying people on social media use opinion as evidence and is high fived by people who know even less, i gave extra information, this isnt made up by head nor quora answers, this is literally what happened. you can see why people defend MJ.
@Create Account istg i have no clue lmao.
@Create Account where does it say that? so they could get paid more (1.5) billion after mj dies? Adrian admitted to lying her self not in the oath even after that, Mjs lawyer challenged her, see here there is no actual proof for anything. if you include the nude books they were legal art with no genital's and no sexual image, i hated michael jackson until October 2021 until one fan showed me everything, i just got everything thats the opposite to the proof at the time. im not trying to convert you but media can easily brainwash you, sorry for being rude earlier.
@Create Account if the man mculkin said let the man be, he is alive and can speak for himself, he doesnt need others to speak for him. people lie through him, he said it himself, "i wasn't abused neither did i see anyone abused". lot of people get rasons to accuse mj and there always answers for it, the second they have answers the other question follows along, i have seen it and others have to.
It's the fact you brought up about the guy who said he didn't think there was anything wrong about the relationship between him and MJ but then he claimed MJ told him they would both go to jail if he didn't lie. So he goes on the stand and denies everything, without error, hesitation, or even crying once. I would think that a child being manipulated so well in one way would experience some kind of conflict of thoughts or slip of response while trying to cover what he believes is true and innocent in the face of interrogation...but I could be wrong. Also, I didn't see the trial.
I grew up in the 80's as a teenager. I was wondering if Michael Jackson had some form of depression? He also had an accident on a Pepsi commercial where he suffered 3rd degree burns. After that they said that he started to become addicted to painkillers. Dr. Grande have you ever heard of the Peter Pan syndrome? They say that Michael suffered from this because of how he was thrust into the limelight at a very young age? I'm new to your channel and I really am enjoying your videos and analysis. Keep up the good work. I am a psychology major myself. Just an undergraduate though.
He was extremely depressed, to the point where he said that if he didn't have his children he would kill himself.
@@PonzWasTaken He did not say that. He said that if they were no children left on
earth, he would have nothing to live for. He had a pure heart and wanted
to help starving children in Africa(he saw on tv) when he was 5/6yo, said
his mom, Katherine. He said when he got $$$$, he would help children!!!
@@auntyleda8036 He said it in an interview with Piers Morgan. Michael's exact words "If it wasn't for children I would throw in the towel, I would kill myself - I wouldn't care to live"
There are tons of famous people that were in the spotlight from a very young age and they don't turn out like Jackson. I've always wanted to know what exactly made him the way he was. Very bizarre. A lot of people close to him said a lot of his persona was an act including his voice. He's real voice was a regular voice of a man his age.
@@HavanaSyndrome69 Ultimately, I just don't think he was a very normal person. Nobody can explain why he was the way he was other than Michael. I wouldn't be surprised if his persona was an act, as it got him the media attention and kept him in the spotlight even when he wasn't releasing. As for his voice, you can probably get a glimpse of what it really sounded like at the 2009 This Is It announcement. I think at the end of the day, he had some personal issues with his childhood - and he had the bank account to try and re-live it which ultimately just made him out to be a 30 year old child, the pain medication problem in the 2000s wouldn't have helped that
Michael actually became famous in about 1969 with the Jackson 5. He was becoming an adult when he went solo, around 1979. By the mid eighties he had already done Billie Jean, Thriller, and Beat It. So he was SUPER STAR famous by the mid 80s.
+Donna P While Michael Jackson did start to break off in 1979, he was making solo albums since age 13, the first being "Got To Be There" in 1971.
He joined the group in 1965, and that's about when Joe Jackson started to push to get them noticed; by 1968 they were being shopped to national record companies; their first album was released in 1970 when MJ was 11-12 years old. (It had SEVERAL Top 40 hits; crossover hits, which was not all that common. Michael specifically, as lead, was on heavy {4 hour} rotation, *per song* for months, with as many as four or five different songs in rotation. For a young black guy that was spectacular. Stevie Wonder was singing, but not charting anywhere near that rate, at age 12.)
He was a superstar as far back as that. People who think Thriller was the beginning are missing a lot.
His first solo album was in 1972, when he was +/- 14.
melissa thompson He was famous before thriller but majority of his fanbase were still blacks.He changed that with thriller
@@cashcodeclub How old were you in 1970? Because everybody I knew in the 7th grade in 1970 was a Michael Jackson fan, and I lived in a predominantly white town. The Jackson Five with Michael singing lead had four number ones on the Hot 100, which was a predominantly white chart. Don't be telling me. I was there.
The part about children being related to him not being harmed:
Children of murderers sometimes do not know their father or mother were that evil. Not all pedophiles will abuse children they are related to. Rare, but true.
I am not saying he did or did not do anything
I think there are different motivations for murder and sexual assault especially when it comes to children.
The one factor in both would be remaining undetected as the perpetrator. Now going about this differs depending on if it's a murderer or child molester. I'm sure there are a few crossovers but I would maintain the paths to be undetected are very different.
First is a Serial killer. The first thing police look for in a murder investigation is motive. Most people murdered are done so by people that are close to them. A good portion of cereal killers stalk and kill people they do not know. Why? To further there chances of remaining anynamous. If you dont know the person the police are much less likely to suspect you. So in cases were serial killers are relatively passive when it comes to there families I would say the biggest factor is just that. A higher chance of getting caught.
It's easy to see someone has been murdered it's harder to know if someone is being molested. So the tactics change. For the murderer it's more about precision execution and extraction.
For child molesters it's more about keeping the crime hidden. There best protection is psychological control of the vitcim. It is easier for pedophiles to control children who trust them and and children most trust there family members.
So I think staying under there radar is ther first priority. Both use different tactics to do so.
I agree that testimony of others saying, "I was never abused by him" means nothing. A perpetrator can be selective.
My father sexually abused my older brother , my younger brother and me (female)
They usually do though.2 males in my life raped me when i was little. They abused others in their families and communities. They knew them all. Easy pickins when you know the family.
After doing my own extensive and thorough research, i reached my own conclusion that MJ was innocent.
The reason Michael Jackson had an alarm because one of his fans sneaked in his house and it was in his closet for about a week. All those people that was in the house I will be paranoid as well.
you are just the kind of person who if MJ had been seen in his own garden, engaged in a sexual act with a prepubescent boy,
would scream out loud, "just an ALTEREGO! he sneaked in 'coz he wants us to blame it on Michael!"
you very stupid, starstruck people... all heads in the sand.
@@nigel727 what he is sayong is not wrong tho. it is reported that a female fan broke into his house and stayed in his closet for awhile
Zoli we are not starstruck. We care about facts not feelings. There is no proof of MJ’s guilt and never has been. Just hearsay
And his employees stole his stuff.
I remember reading about that. When he found out his fan had not eaten, he heated up a meal, fed them and called his chauffeur to take them home. Shows what type of person he truly was.
This is the best analysis I have seen since LN was broadcast. Thank you very much Dr. Grande. I had the same thoughts but couldn't express them the same way as you can. I'm 34 and come from Russia and I never was MJ's fan but I watched LN because I'm interested in psychology and because MJ is a legend. Something made me doubt these stories while I was watching it. Towards the end of the film, I was inclined to believe them, though. After that, I started to do a research on the Internet and look for arguments supporting or exposing both sides of the story. After having weighed a lot of pros and cons, I would say now I rather believe MJ was innocent, given the weakness of the cases against him, the result of the trial in 2005, and the questionable credibility of the accusers. I also trust Tom Mesereau and find his arguments very rational and reasonable.
I agree. MJJ is innocent❤💕💞❣💖
After many hours of watching videos and a 2-month investigation of looking at the facts from the OTHER side, I am now 100% convinced Michael Jacson was one of the purest souls on the planet. Not even the FBI could find anything criminal about him after a 10 year investigation. Every single accuser has been proven to be a liar and extortionist by others' testimony. I don't rather believe his innocence, I now know for a FACT he's innocent.
Well said on all points tbh.
@@jdenino6022 the same jordan chandler said:that his dad fabricated everything just for money.And that MJ had never abuised him.His dad commited suiced after MJ'death and that's why chandler came forward.And MJ didn't pay anything.Get your fact straight before you comment.
@@jdenino6022 Do more research. The discriptiin if his penis was NOT A MATCH
Always looking forward to your vids, you’re very intelligent, thanks for your input!
Hey Dr. Grande, unsure if you check comments on these older videos, but just wanted to say I really enjoy these conversation-style, unedited videos from you. Hope to see more in the future!