June 9th, 2024 Update: Wow, I can't believe this video got 15k views and almost 600 likes already. Hope you guys are having some fantastic one takes out there and making some $$$!! and YES I'm still using the same angle settings on my prototype cinewhoop Proto3C with betaflight 4.5!! So this video is still relevant! I don't think I covered it in this video, but one key thing is make sure your battery is positioned and distributed correctly to the center of gravity between all 4 motors. IE: If your quad was flying great, and then for the next take, you fly again and it's slightly drifting in a direction...Land, and re-position your lipo!!
Patty thanks for sharing dude! Did my first real estate fly thru yesterday using your settings and it was awesome! Trippy feeling the sticks with the throttle limit but I quickly adjusted and got a hang of it. Thanks again!
Nice tutorial and flying. If you still want to have air mode at low throttle , you can map it to the same channel as your throttle and set it to only come on when the throttle is low. Then it won't get sucked into the wall at normal throttle level.
Thank you for the tutorial. I follow your tutorial step by step, and set my geprc cinelog 25. Its work, easy hovering and flying compared with the default setting
thank you friend. Your settings helped me for my first FPV Pavo20. Of course, I didn't start using the PIDsettings. I also realized that I need to buy high-quality batteries (mine are low in amps) and calibrate Tango.
@@octaviom.marquez7239 It's kind of windy where I live. I'd hesitate to fly outside with this config unless it is calm. I have a betaflight config that I load from backup when I fly outside.
Have an eye out for BF 4.5. The devs have reworked Angle mode to make yaw behave differently, more like Air mode. I installed a pull request they did for BF 4.4 and can tell you it makes Angle mode much better in small spaces. I fly 2S/3S, 2-inch whoops, massing up to 125g. I only use Angle mode, with the motor power reduced by 50% or so, depending. I've worked out a throttle curve that puts most of the available power _under_ my thumb. The drone ascends very gently this way, and it rarely sucks itself to things, even with Air mode engaged. My BF throttle settings are very different than yours, and I also use a custom curve for the throttle on my transmitter. But it appears our different approaches achieve the same end: smooth control in small spaces. Nice job.
Thanks for this informative video! I was able to tweak a lot of my settings in angle mode based on your advice, much appreciated! I do have one question though if you could assist - Everything is flying really slow and smooth in angle mode with the added ff feature but I have tried many setting changes to keep my throttle from bobbing up and down including the reference from your video pertaining to the throttle curve and expo. No matter what I do, I still have a slight movement up and down and can't seem to relax the throttle. It really comes through on the naked go pro footage as the horizon of an indoor atmosphere is moving up and down even after stabilization. Are there any extra tips you have that I can mess around with to get the perfect flight feel. Thanks in advance and for all you do for our hobby!
Thanks man!! Hmmm have you tried putting another pass of stabilization using reel steady? I also shoot at 4:3 if that helps and drop it into a 16:9 setting. Possibly you can do some manual key framing too if you need to fix something. For me though a lot of it is practicing as well to prevent the bobbing. I also use hq 6 bladed props for a consistent smooth feel. having less bladed props (like 3) may make the quad perform more jumpy. Let me know!
Patty! Question for you! Im rookie on this. So if i choose the angle mode on my radiomaster i will have that configuration on my sticks. But if i want to do acro after that i just need to active de acro mode on my radio and i will have the previous setup right? I dont need to move the configurations on beta every time i want to change to acro and angle
Hey 👋 before I answer your question, by configurations, do you mean the rate profile? Like for example you use angle mode and it’s using slow rates etc. and when you switch to acro it’s using fast rates. Is this what you mean?
Its ok! No it won’t do that on its own. You need to change a few settings. turn on expert mode in bf , it’s a slider at the top right corner, go to adjustment tabs and in the pull down menu assign “rate profile” to the same rocker switch that you change acro and angle mode. For me, I set it as position 1 acro is normal fast rates (rate profile 1) Position 2 is angle mode with slow rates (rate profile 2), you can test it when the quads rx is powered on and by flicking the switches, it changes the rate profile in the rate tab. That way you know it works.
Hello, from what I have experienced the angle strength is how much the self levelling is. So it doesn't affect the strength to fight the wind. If you turn it to 0 your angle mode will feels like acro. But yes it is true for angle limit the lower it is the lower the strength to fight the wind.
Interesting! which bf version? For my cinewhoop it was 4.2 so I wonder either I got it wrong or would love to try it again on the newer versions and different cinewhoop to see if I get your results just for fun. Thank you for the comment
I am sorry for my late response, I thought I already responded but I thing I discarded the reply because somebody call me or something 😅 It is Betaflight 4.4.3. I am aware of this because I am in the process of learning to fly indoor in acro mode, one youtuber said we can use angle strength as a practice tool and that is what I did. I start it from 30 and reduce it to 5 and in 5 its almost feels like acro, and after use it quite some times now I fly indoors acro. If you use 32 then as far as I know you use 32% of angle mode. 0 will make it 0% angle mode which means acro mode.
Glad to hear it worked out for you :) I use -0.5 ev. ISO 100~800 and auto for shutter and white balance. 4K 60fps 4:3. Colour: Flat. Highest bit rate. Sharpness I think is normal. Hypersmooth On (normal) angle: wide - Let me know how it goes :)
No, that's not what PID's are or what the they do. They are the algorithm between your stick inputs and the motors. You should have a look at some PID tuning video's to make your kwad fly even better. For stuff like this it doesn't really matter, because stick tracking and the 'feel' of the kwad doesn't really matter.
Hi Pat! Thanks for the tuturial. If you switch from Angle to Horizon or Acro, will all the settings I have on my Actual Rates apply to the squad or the Rates changes to whatever is the default on those other Angle modes?
Yes I believe it will apply the rates to any mode. So acro will still be “slow rates” what I do is turn on expert mode and go to adjustment tabs and assign rate profile settings 1 and 2 to a rocker switch. So rocker position 1 is slow rates with angle or something for example. And Position 2 is normal rates with acro etc.
@@PattyFlipz Wow, that's fantastic information! I had noticed the profile options but wasn't sure how to utilize them. I'll definitely check them out and make use of them. I had thought that my rates would only apply to Angle and not impact the other modes. Thanks again 🙏🏼
Hi! Well, for me, I'd recommend to start at $75 ~ $100 per hour. When you do enough of them, then you know how much time will be spent on location and how much time in the editing room, and you can easily give them a quote based on the size of the home.
Thanks man! The cinelog25 can handle the bigger battery it’s fine, though it gets a little louder. I think about 4 min on 720 and 6 minute on the 1100.
thanks for the settings. one question .....Does your Cinelog25 drift if you try to keep it hovering???? i just got one and it keeps drifting during the pack more and more .
Oh did you try putting it on a level table and calibrating the accelerometer? Also the battery placement matters too. Strap your battery in as center as possible to the balance of your quad. If the battery is too much to one side strapped on, quad may be effected and drift towards that direction.
@@PattyFlipz thanks for the response. Yes i did a good calibration and carfully placed the battery on it. Yesterday i the drone with Betaflight 4.4.3 (my Cinelog25 was running 4.3.1) and this really helped dramatically keeping the drone more stable in hovering .What version of Betaflight you are using ?
I think this quad is around 185g with the naked GoPro . So there’s a bit of room to play with a small 4s battery. If you care about every gram being under sub250 I would recommend filming with a naked o3 air unit. Also, when you film inside and don’t go outside there are no rules with weight. At least in Canada!
I have a Pavo 20 and following your indications the throttle still is very agressive.. Do you know what I could modify to make it work smooth... There is no way. Thanks... I could forward you with data about my config... I bought it on purpose for real estate, and no way to co figure it...
In the rate profile tab - Besides cutting throttle scale to 50-60% have you tried throttle expo? The more you increase the more dull your throttle stick will feel when moving it
@@PattyFlipz I set throttle scale to 90% because if I reduce it to 50 or 60% it is hard to take off.... Both Throttle MID abnd EXPO I have tham at 0.57 Everyrthing works fine with the rates I appled, but thew problem is that it is very, very hard to keep the same flying level, Any idea?
The idea is you want to tune your throttle until hover point is around mid stick (1500). And as for the quad not keeping level or bobbing up and down, it’s all about practice and more practice. A turn, going over a table, wind will all effect the drone. It’s definitely not as sophisticated to hold a hover as a DJI avata etc.
Hi, I found this article for you to read. oscarliang.com/rates/#:~:text=Betaflight%20Rates%2C%20unlike%20Actual%20Rates,continue%20to%20rely%20on%20them.
Hello, is just applying the rate in the air enough to fly around? I only fly for acro and I wouldn't want too much substance, currently I fly cinelog 25v2 but the same goes for health insurance which alone cannot be good enough for good to fly
@@PattyFlipz Can the rates you provided in the video be used in acro mode and fly stably indoors without major changes? Is it necessary to set all the options shown in the video to angle mode so that the indoor flight is stable and slow as in your video? I'm asking because so far I've only flown in acro mode and I don't want to make too many changes, but I really want a smooth, stable indoor flight.
Ah ok. Yeah go back to geprc defaults. The tutorial is for cinelog 2.5” with an action camera, quite a bit heavier than your cinelog20 , maybe by 60 grams, and prop size and motor pairing makes a big difference in thrust and efficiency. Though I think at least the angle mode settings , rates, throttle expo and scale would translate over fine. Ignore anything related to pids in the video etc. hope you figure something out for your cinelog20! 👍
June 9th, 2024 Update: Wow, I can't believe this video got 15k views and almost 600 likes already. Hope you guys are having some fantastic one takes out there and making some $$$!! and YES I'm still using the same angle settings on my prototype cinewhoop Proto3C with betaflight 4.5!! So this video is still relevant! I don't think I covered it in this video, but one key thing is make sure your battery is positioned and distributed correctly to the center of gravity between all 4 motors. IE: If your quad was flying great, and then for the next take, you fly again and it's slightly drifting in a direction...Land, and re-position your lipo!!
very useful content, thank you very much, may your days always be filled with health
Thank you. I will try my best to stay healthy 👍
i just bought the cinelog 35 6s and i find your video, you helped me a looot, thank you very much for this video!
I use to have one of those too, and glad you found it helpful!! Enjoy your smooth flying in tight spaces!!
Patty thanks for sharing dude! Did my first real estate fly thru yesterday using your settings and it was awesome! Trippy feeling the sticks with the throttle limit but I quickly adjusted and got a hang of it. Thanks again!
Happy it worked out man!! 👍👍
Nice tutorial and flying. If you still want to have air mode at low throttle , you can map it to the same channel as your throttle and set it to only come on when the throttle is low. Then it won't get sucked into the wall at normal throttle level.
Good to know!!
Just tested these settings on my cinelog...absolutely fantastic!
Really??? Awesome dude! Happy to hear that
Thanks for the tips!! backing up my factory tune and trying your settings out. A+ work my friend!
Excellent!! Let us know how it goes.
Thank you for the tutorial. I follow your tutorial step by step, and set my geprc cinelog 25. Its work, easy hovering and flying compared with the default setting
Awesome! 👏
wow man i just built a cinewhoop and this rates are smooooothh. thank you
Excellent! Glad to hear!!
thank you friend. Your settings helped me for my first FPV Pavo20. Of course, I didn't start using the PIDsettings. I also realized that I need to buy high-quality batteries (mine are low in amps) and calibrate Tango.
Glad I could help! Happy flying bro!!😎
Thanks for the settings! I used them on my Pavo 20 and they worked great! 🙂
Awesome glad to hear it!
Have you tried using these settings to fly outside? or only for interiors?
@octaviom.marquez7239 hi. Mainly for interiors but will venture outside for a short while to get the shot
@@octaviom.marquez7239 It's kind of windy where I live. I'd hesitate to fly outside with this config unless it is calm. I have a betaflight config that I load from backup when I fly outside.
Great video. I've been having problems for months and this was a big help. Thank you. 👌
Happy to hear it helped!
thanks!!
You’re welcome!
Great tips, I will try them on the whoop I'm about to build :)
Awesome!!
Great video, I love shooting tight gaps with my meteor75 and just graduated to the Cinelog20 with the DJI 03 .
Have an eye out for BF 4.5. The devs have reworked Angle mode to make yaw behave differently, more like Air mode. I installed a pull request they did for BF 4.4 and can tell you it makes Angle mode much better in small spaces.
I fly 2S/3S, 2-inch whoops, massing up to 125g. I only use Angle mode, with the motor power reduced by 50% or so, depending. I've worked out a throttle curve that puts most of the available power _under_ my thumb. The drone ascends very gently this way, and it rarely sucks itself to things, even with Air mode engaged.
My BF throttle settings are very different than yours, and I also use a custom curve for the throttle on my transmitter. But it appears our different approaches achieve the same end: smooth control in small spaces. Nice job.
Good to know! Thanks for the comment!
Bro, so in your opinion BF for indoors is better than BF 4.5 ? Tks!
Damn, I just tested now in my tiny apartament and it's a blast, thank you for sharing !
Great!! Glad to hear it.
great guide from A to Z, it will stay for longer 😉
Awesome! Stay as long as you like :)
Just being able to yaw in a bathroom with anything other than a tinywhoop is pretty good
Thanks for this informative video! I was able to tweak a lot of my settings in angle mode based on your advice, much appreciated! I do have one question though if you could assist - Everything is flying really slow and smooth in angle mode with the added ff feature but I have tried many setting changes to keep my throttle from bobbing up and down including the reference from your video pertaining to the throttle curve and expo. No matter what I do, I still have a slight movement up and down and can't seem to relax the throttle. It really comes through on the naked go pro footage as the horizon of an indoor atmosphere is moving up and down even after stabilization. Are there any extra tips you have that I can mess around with to get the perfect flight feel. Thanks in advance and for all you do for our hobby!
Thanks man!! Hmmm have you tried putting another pass of stabilization using reel steady? I also shoot at 4:3 if that helps and drop it into a 16:9 setting. Possibly you can do some manual key framing too if you need to fix something. For me though a lot of it is practicing as well to prevent the bobbing. I also use hq 6 bladed props for a consistent smooth feel. having less bladed props (like 3) may make the quad perform more jumpy. Let me know!
Great vid and flying!!
Thank you Greg!
My cinebot30 flying so wild and fast, maybe I have to do this
update: working well if I use a 6s battery. But on 4s, I think I have to increase the throttle limit
Patty! Question for you! Im rookie on this. So if i choose the angle mode on my radiomaster i will have that configuration on my sticks. But if i want to do acro after that i just need to active de acro mode on my radio and i will have the previous setup right? I dont need to move the configurations on beta every time i want to change to acro and angle
Hey 👋 before I answer your question, by configurations, do you mean the rate profile? Like for example you use angle mode and it’s using slow rates etc. and when you switch to acro it’s using fast rates. Is this what you mean?
@@PattyFlipz that's correct! Im sorry if I wasn't very clear
Its ok! No it won’t do that on its own. You need to change a few settings. turn on expert mode in bf , it’s a slider at the top right corner, go to adjustment tabs and in the pull down menu assign “rate profile” to the same rocker switch that you change acro and angle mode. For me, I set it as position 1 acro is normal fast rates (rate profile 1) Position 2 is angle mode with slow rates (rate profile 2), you can test it when the quads rx is powered on and by flicking the switches, it changes the rate profile in the rate tab. That way you know it works.
Hello, from what I have experienced the angle strength is how much the self levelling is. So it doesn't affect the strength to fight the wind. If you turn it to 0 your angle mode will feels like acro.
But yes it is true for angle limit the lower it is the lower the strength to fight the wind.
Interesting! which bf version? For my cinewhoop it was 4.2 so I wonder either I got it wrong or would love to try it again on the newer versions and different cinewhoop to see if I get your results just for fun. Thank you for the comment
I am sorry for my late response, I thought I already responded but I thing I discarded the reply because somebody call me or something 😅
It is Betaflight 4.4.3. I am aware of this because I am in the process of learning to fly indoor in acro mode, one youtuber said we can use angle strength as a practice tool and that is what I did. I start it from 30 and reduce it to 5 and in 5 its almost feels like acro, and after use it quite some times now I fly indoors acro. If you use 32 then as far as I know you use 32% of angle mode. 0 will make it 0% angle mode which means acro mode.
@@ulungprabowo Thank you! I haven't tried it yet, but makes logical sense!
Hello friend, how are you? I have tested your configuration and it works great indoors. Can you tell me what configuration you have on the Go Pro?
Glad to hear it worked out for you :) I use -0.5 ev. ISO 100~800 and auto for shutter and white balance. 4K 60fps 4:3. Colour: Flat. Highest bit rate. Sharpness I think is normal. Hypersmooth On (normal) angle: wide - Let me know how it goes :)
Ok thank You
also, you drone might drift on hover if your PIDs aren't correct. its not always just the calibration of the FC
Very cool! Good tip!
No, that's not what PID's are or what the they do. They are the algorithm between your stick inputs and the motors. You should have a look at some PID tuning video's to make your kwad fly even better. For stuff like this it doesn't really matter, because stick tracking and the 'feel' of the kwad doesn't really matter.
@@justfpv1432 Thanks guys! Appreciate the back and forth!
`CRACK!!! idolo
Hi Pat! Thanks for the tuturial. If you switch from Angle to Horizon or Acro, will all the settings I have on my Actual Rates apply to the squad or the Rates changes to whatever is the default on those other Angle modes?
Yes I believe it will apply the rates to any mode. So acro will still be “slow rates” what I do is turn on expert mode and go to adjustment tabs and assign rate profile settings 1 and 2 to a rocker switch. So rocker position 1 is slow rates with angle or something for example. And Position 2 is normal rates with acro etc.
@@PattyFlipz Wow, that's fantastic information! I had noticed the profile options but wasn't sure how to utilize them. I'll definitely check them out and make use of them. I had thought that my rates would only apply to Angle and not impact the other modes. Thanks again 🙏🏼
Do you mind to share how much you charge for that kind of work?
Hi! Well, for me, I'd recommend to start at $75 ~ $100 per hour. When you do enough of them, then you know how much time will be spent on location and how much time in the editing room, and you can easily give them a quote based on the size of the home.
Great video man, ty. Did the GNB 1100 weigh your Cine-25 down a lot? What were your flight times on both with your new settings?
Thanks man! The cinelog25 can handle the bigger battery it’s fine, though it gets a little louder. I think about 4 min on 720 and 6 minute on the 1100.
thx !!!!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy!
thanks for the settings. one question .....Does your Cinelog25 drift if you try to keep it hovering???? i just got one and it keeps drifting during the pack more and more .
Oh did you try putting it on a level table and calibrating the accelerometer? Also the battery placement matters too. Strap your battery in as center as possible to the balance of your quad. If the battery is too much to one side strapped on, quad may be effected and drift towards that direction.
@@PattyFlipz thanks for the response. Yes i did a good calibration and carfully placed the battery on it. Yesterday i the drone with Betaflight 4.4.3 (my Cinelog25 was running 4.3.1) and this really helped dramatically keeping the drone more stable in hovering .What version of Betaflight you are using ?
@OscarTheProfessor I’m using 4.2 😂 glad to hear the different version worked for you.
Is this set up over 250g with the naked go pro? If so would you still use it for business doing real estate to be in compliance?
I think this quad is around 185g with the naked GoPro . So there’s a bit of room to play with a small 4s battery. If you care about every gram being under sub250 I would recommend filming with a naked o3 air unit. Also, when you film inside and don’t go outside there are no rules with weight. At least in Canada!
@@PattyFlipz thank you 🙏
I have a Pavo 20 and following your indications the throttle still is very agressive..
Do you know what I could modify to make it work smooth... There is no way. Thanks... I could forward you with data about my config...
I bought it on purpose for real estate, and no way to co figure it...
In the rate profile tab - Besides cutting throttle scale to 50-60% have you tried throttle expo? The more you increase the more dull your throttle stick will feel when moving it
@@PattyFlipz I set throttle scale to 90% because if I reduce it to 50 or 60% it is hard to take off....
Both Throttle MID abnd EXPO I have tham at 0.57
Everyrthing works fine with the rates I appled, but thew problem is that it is very, very hard to keep the same flying level, Any idea?
The idea is you want to tune your throttle until hover point is around mid stick (1500). And as for the quad not keeping level or bobbing up and down, it’s all about practice and more practice. A turn, going over a table, wind will all effect the drone. It’s definitely not as sophisticated to hold a hover as a DJI avata etc.
@@PattyFlipzwould the gravity option be of help?
Hello what the difference between actual rate and beta flight rate ? Bc before i actually adjust the actual rate only.
Hi, I found this article for you to read. oscarliang.com/rates/#:~:text=Betaflight%20Rates%2C%20unlike%20Actual%20Rates,continue%20to%20rely%20on%20them.
@@PattyFlipz thank you sir .
Any advice for the cinelog 30, or would these apply? ✌🏴
Hi, I’m not too sure. You can start with some of the concepts and try it out.
Hello, is just applying the rate in the air enough to fly around? I only fly for acro and I wouldn't want too much substance, currently I fly cinelog 25v2 but the same goes for health insurance which alone cannot be good enough for good to fly
Hi Sorry, I don't understand your question, please write in your own language, I'll translate it myself.
sorry, I think I have a dictionary on my phone because I don't understand the previous comment 😂
@@PattyFlipz Can the rates you provided in the video be used in acro mode and fly stably indoors without major changes? Is it necessary to set all the options shown in the video to angle mode so that the indoor flight is stable and slow as in your video?
I'm asking because so far I've only flown in acro mode and I don't want to make too many changes, but I really want a smooth, stable indoor flight.
@BaksteRollFPV the rates in the video should be ok in acro mode indoor. 👍 just give it all a try and adjust from there 👍
I just tested this and my batteries burn out really fast; only 2 min flight time ever since i used this and my motor gets really hot
Oh that’s too bad. What kind of set up you using?
geprc cinelog 20@@PattyFlipz
Ah ok. Yeah go back to geprc defaults. The tutorial is for cinelog 2.5” with an action camera, quite a bit heavier than your cinelog20 , maybe by 60 grams, and prop size and motor pairing makes a big difference in thrust and efficiency. Though I think at least the angle mode settings , rates, throttle expo and scale would translate over fine. Ignore anything related to pids in the video etc. hope you figure something out for your cinelog20! 👍
Update my motor was actually broken