So I play a lot of the game of thrones mod for Crusader Kings 3. this happened once. Robert married a Dornish noblewoman and then died in a tournament accident. Jeoffrey took the throne at like 7 He was still on the throne when Young Griff invaded. Dorn, Highgarden, the Stormlands under Renley, 90% of the Riverlands and about half the vale jumped at the chance to get a child Psychopath off the iron throne. Westerlands, the North, the other half of the Vale, and most of the crown lands sided with Jeoff war was hell. Young Griff took the throne, married my only daughter, who was also my heir, had tons of kids and that's how I won the game of thrones in 3 generations.
Robert isnt going to magically going to be present in Joffrey's life so he's still raised by maesters and family, primarily Tywin and Tyrion. Joffrey isnt gonna be a nice guy but he isn't a little nutjob or at least, it's more subdued as Tywin and Tyrion arent enablers. He's still cruel but he's smart and tactical now, better at hiding his cruelty.
One thing that was kinda glossed over in this scenario was the Reach. With the Tyrells siding with the Lannisters at the Blackwater and losing, there is no chance in hell they stay Lords Paramount. Especially considering the fact that Stannis already has more than enough reason to dislike Mace for both the siege of Storm's End, as well as declaring for Renly. They are 100% getting stripped of everything, and one of the more prominent houses will get Highgarden. My money's probably on the Florents considering Selyse is one.
@@Freya1412It’s a what if lad, it’s perfectly possible for the Crown Prince the ‘son’ of Robert Baratheon who sees Ned as a brother to be made ward of Winterfell because Robert too was a ward despite being first born and it through that, that he met his best friend. So it’s not impossible at all.
@abford03 if I remember there was talk of sending Joffrey to ward in the Vale that Cercei put a stop to. But the idea of sending him north to Robert's best friend....that might have had more success,
@@abford03 yes I know it's a what if. However this what if makes absolutely no sense. A crown prince will never be sent away from the safety of his home. He also needs to stay at his father, the king's side to learn how to rule and remain at court to be exposed to the politics of court. He will have access to advisors like the king's hand and other members of the small council that he can learn from. For this what if to work you'd have to have a good reason to send him away from Kingslanding so far North where he could be easily killed by enemies of the crown. Winter fell isn't exactly the Red keep now is it? How secure is Winter fell exactly? Then there's the problem with Cersei. Look I'm all for entertaining what ifs however when it's going into absolutely idiocy territory then no🤦♀️. And I'm not a Lad.
Agreed. Yes, Cersei had power. But do not forget the might of Tywin and how well he had his children under his thumb. Yes, he’d absolutely even get rid of Cersei to prevent a senseless war. Justice had already been achieved to his eyes and as much as he cared for his legacy, Cersei had already done her duty by having children, so she was no longer really needed (I know, awful take on women)
i use to think about this all the time because the way joffrey was swinging that sword was crazy. she's quick on her feet even before all the training.
No doubt Aerys would call dibs on a dragon. If there was more than one, he'd allow Rhaella and Rhaegar to have their own but if there were only two (including Aerys' dragon), he'd only give one to Rhaegar since he's the heir. Also I can see Aerys bullying and antagonizing Tywin with his dragon.
Wouldn't Micah tell the same story as Sansa? Or did Micah run off with Nymeria? Cersei might not accept what Sansa and Micah say but I'm pretty sure Robert would. Didn't Robert catch him killing kittens at one point? Or some such Westerosi equivalent?
He killed a pregnant cat and cut out the kittens to show Robert who then hit him so hard Cersei thought Robert killed him. So Robert will fuck up Joffrey if he feels the need
Well technically Joffrey killed a pregnant cat opened up its belly and brought the unborn Kittens to Robert out of curiosity but yeah the same connotation still applies in a way. Knowing how Joffrey grew up under Cersei who fed his delusion and Robert not being there and his secret "True parentage" would lead to a crazed psycho like him.
Micah already ran off in the original when Nymeria just bit Joffrey. No way he's sticking around when 2 highborns are dead lol If anything, he'd suffer his canon fate. Or worse. A distraught Cersei would definitely ask for him to be brought in alive, and dude's getting the Ramsay special 😢 Also, Robert believes it here too. Which is why he didnt punish anyone further. It's really Cersei that needs to be convinced, since she was planning to off Robert anyway. And she holds grudges for life.
@@facesofthechimera right, I couldn't recall when he bounced, it's been about a decade since watching it or reading it. Even so though, if he can be run down he can be found, and without Joffrey saying this lowborn attacked me there's no reason to run him down. His instinct to run would likely still be the same but he's no Show-Gendry he's just not fast enough to cover enough ground to get away from men on horses.
@@silentecho92able yeah I think my brain censored that part lol. Joffrey is great character, horrible person, but he was doomed from the start I believe.
@@Just_a_Dude80 well, why not? It’s an interesting concept for a video, and character traits have been altered in these videos before to explore other interesting conclusions. While the Jamie we know isn’t above killing innocents himself, we know he felt sympathy for Rhaella while she endured marital rape and became disillusioned in his duties enough to kill his king to save the people, why not create a version where after the mad king is slain, rather than sit the throne he seeks out the people he was sworn to protect who, most importantly, DESERVE protecting as a way to atone for his sins and perhaps maintain a sense of honor and duty within himself?
@bibijinnie7184 This is not good for the lannisters. After Robert's death, Joffrey wouldn't be the only heir for the throne. And if the bastards were immediately destroyed by the Lannisters, why wouldn't they kill the Targaryen children? Moreover, if Bobby B wanted Danny dead, why wouldn't he send assassins for all the Targaryens, especially in Westeros. They are also in great danger in the mad queen arc. So they're crapped anyway IMHO
@@Just_a_Dude80 perhaps! But in this scenario I don’t think Jamie would be thinking about his house, I think he would embody the knight he looked up to and wanted to be : Arthur Dayne. I believe the most interesting part of this change would be how it changes Jamie. Would a Jamie who risked it all to protect a mother and his children be so eager to throw bran out of a tower? Would Cersei have made a comment about “saving rhaegars whore wife” and thus making him see her differently, perhaps breaking their incestuous bond? What would happen afterwards would be up for debate, this why I’d like to see the video. Besides, keeping Elia around would certainly be interesting, as I doubt even if robert had the children put to the sword that he would condemn her as well. See, barristan Selme, who worked for and obviously has positive feelings about rhaegar is pardoned and keeps his prestigious position, would it be so insane to think he might have elia just shipped back to dorne? Either way I think I just wanna hear what scenarios this guy would come up with lol
I would definitely want to see that happen. Those three deserve to live and be with family. Plus if they live and the story roughly stays the same, then Rhaenys and Aegon could bond with Daenerys’s other dragons: Daenerys with Drogon, Rhaenys with Rhaegal and Aegon with Viserion.
I imagine they'd get smuggled back to Dorne once Dany is born. Viserys is less messed up as he lives in a more stable environment and there are adults to do the parenting so he isnt forced to raise his sister but Robert still wants his, Dany, Aegon and Rhaenys' heads on pikes so kid is still paranoid even if the Martells promise to protect him, his sister, niece and nephew. Speaking of Robert, yeah, dude still wants them dead but Jon Arryn talks him out of throwing hands with Dorne, especially since Westeros still recovering from the rebellion. Not sure if Dany still gets her eggs but if they do hatch, I'm agreeing with Alexander that Dany, Rhaenys and Aegon get to be riders while Viserys goes to sulk about not getting an egg or having to wait for the dragons to lay an egg for him.
Marry Daena ? Baelor married Daena a year before Daeron died “Baelor married his younger sister, Princess Daena Targaryen, in 160 AC. He refused to consummate their marriage,however, causing his sister, who usually dressed all in black, to change her clothes to only whites in an attempt to shame him, as she had sworn to wear nothing else until she was properly bedded. The plan did not work, as Baelor liked to see his sister all in white, feeling it made her look more innocent.”
he wouldnt have married daena. as another commenter pointed out she was already married to baelor by the time he goes off to dorne. as we see with daeron 2 an instrumental part of any treaty like that would be marriage alliances. he would probably marry a martell (ironically probably myriah since she was the prince of dorne of that period's daughter) or another high ranking dornish woman like a yronwood or a dayne. his two other sisters would probably be married into dorne as well
What if Myrcella “Baratheon” married Robb Stark instead Joffrey & Sansa? What if Jamie Lannister was at the Tower Of Joy instead of Gerold Hightower? What if Rhaelle Baratheon, Robert, Stannis & Renly’s grandmother was still alive during Robert’s Rebellion?
One very tiny thing I wanted to bring up is that this siege would actually be cake for Stanis and for several reasons and a big chunk of it is because the walls would be burned the fuck down. I don't know if you remember but cersei was planning on shooting the wildfire out of a trebuchet a couple of ships would probably get burned but more than likely the wildfire would explode and destroy a section of the wall just thought that was worth bringing up
Pausing at 14:02 to say that without Ned's threat to Cersei about telling Robert about her infidelity, she has no incentive to kill Robert. While the strongwine ruse worked in canon, it wasn't without risk. Without an imminent threat to her children, Cersei has no incentive to take that risk. Remember, this is show-Cersei, who legitimately loves her children. Since there's no situation compelling action, I think she'd be caught up in mourning and nurturing her other children. And who knows, shared grief over Joffrey might bring Cersei and Robert together. And the fact that they now need a back-up heir for Tommen might result in Cersei bearing another black-haired baby. She knows Stannis is suspicious, therefore the best way to sow doubt about his probably-upcoming charges is to have an indisputably Baratheon baby. That's the best way to protect Myrcella and Tommen, so that's what show-Cersei does.
You didn't mention that Arya would have warged into Nymeria and avenged her death through her direwolf Suggestion - What if Jaime didn't kill Aerys and just handed him to Ned
Yeah cause renly only was opposed to stannis because they both knew the Targaryen restoration was coming and Stannis thought the only way to survive was to abdicate a whole kingdom to buy their lives. Renly believed that they could defend the throne. With Eddard then renly and stannis would believe they have a much better chance
I unfortunately need to go to sleep, but can enjoy tomorrow on my break. What If.... Margery Escaped the Wild Fire, everyone else died but the crowed let her go earlier on? Tyrion had told Pycelle Theon or Robin, instead of Trystane? (Can be 1 video or if enough content 2)
In a scenario like this, where Stannis wins and then Danny appears in Westeros, I wonder what would Melissandre do? Switch to the Dragon side? Stay with Stannis? Try to get rid of Selyse and break a wedding pact between Stannis and Danny?
21:23 I don't necessarily think that Ned and the Northern arky would even go through the Twins. Because not only is there another way down south from the Neck, but also, in the canon timeline, Robb and co. were on their way to Riverrun to lift the siege, and they were in a hurry, so they had no choice but to agree to Walder's terms Here? Not only would they not be on their way to Riverrun (because there'd be be no reason since Edmure isn't captured), but also, they;d probably just take the other way since they're not a hurry like they were in canon.
Not enough people are saying this so I'll just say that I loved this video and how much thought was put into it. Everything made sense even if you couldn't add any of the in-betweens or Daenerys’ part to it.
Daenerys would be assassinated at some point, either by Robert's initial attempt (which Tywin is going to be backing 1000%) or by the Qarth wizards, since there's no Selmy around to protect her. And show Euron would likely stay put. I doubt he's very interested in giving Stannis a finger in the bum lol
Sansa would praise Joffrey for his valiance and have his back if someone decided he should be punished. She is a snitch and she wants to become a queen after all. She didnt care much for her sister.
@@chimachukwu3808 idk I think she'd still be shocked cuz someone still died and that's still her sister, even if they dont get along. Like ye, she can lie all she wants about Joffrey killing Arya in self defense but seeing someone you grew up with die at the hands of your crush is still gonna mess you up
@@chimachukwu3808 What are you talking about? Sansa and Arya don't hate each other, they just don't get along like normal siblings. I'm gonna assume you're an only child, but siblings bicker all the time, especially if they are close to each other. Being the two daughters, Arya and Sansa would have been put together often, and their opposite personalities would clash, but that doesn't mean they wanted each other to die. I hate when people villainize Sansa for being a girly girl who lives in her fantasies. She's a child, she's a little foolish, but every child is. Even Arya's done stupid shit, that's just being a child. Sansa believes that the idealized stories she's heard of chivalry are true, and it's on her parents for sheltering her so much, but if she saw Joffrey kill her sister, she wouldn't stay on his side. She immediately hated Joffrey after he killed Ned, and she was still pretty upset with him for what happend to Lady. It doesn't matter how much she bickered with Arya, she wouldn't ignore her murder.
@@KittyOfChess you are right sansa is my least favorite character cause she betrayed her own family twice: once when she didnt take aryas side and second time when she decided to rat ned out. What you are saying makes sense ofc. I was being rather satirical considering how stupid and trecherous sansa has shown to be.
Truest statement: “And with Ned around, there’s no way he’s letting Rob break his oath for Talissa” Yep! Nooooo effing way he’d break an oath with his dad around.
I disagree with you about Robert putting his foot down. We all saw Cersie's reaction when Joffrey simply got bit on the arm. She demanded death for Nymeria- and then Lady in replacement when finding out Nymeria was missing. If Joffrey was DEAD, Cersei would want Sansa dead as repayment- since Arya is also dead in this scenario. And Robert would be the same emotionally battered man he is and demand something drastic of Ned. Their friendship would either inevitably end or Ned would stupidly do whatever Robert tells him to do. Either way, Ned is going back to Winterfell after that. And Robert remains surrounded by lions and isolated from his real allies
I actually dont think the tyrells would work together with the lannisters in this verse. Stannis's army is too big. As a result Renly would likely swear fealty as Renly would have nowhere near enough men to oppose the combined strength of stannis, the north, and the river lands. Seeing how big the force is littlefinger would side with the north and convince Lysa to back the north and stannis. The tyrells would either remain nuetral or even join the northern forces as a way to not piss off stannis as there is already a rivalry there to between them and wants to look good and front of the new king. I could even see a marriage pact being made in order to secure this. Margaery and renly specifically only this time they dont break up and Loras probably joins the kings gaurd to.... Y'know be with renly. Much to Mace's dismay but in the books at least he does have other sons so in the books hes not as disappointed. And in the show. Well mace might be happy giving the seat of high garden away to a nefew or younger brother if it means his line gets to sit on the throne so he'll get over it fast when someone brings that up. Afterall, it is incredibly unlikely stannis and his wife will have anymore kids at this point. Making renly second in line. Could also see a bethrothal between Shireen and a prince from dorne to get them in on it. Although that may not be necessary as Dorne hates the Lannisters regardless so they might just join anyway out if "loyalty to the true king." Basically the lannisters and greyjoys are screwed.
His brother Brandon Stark should've thought of that before breaking into the Red Keep with armed hostile men, a d then threatening to murder the King's son and heir
What if Aerys had multiplied his Wildfire plot x1000 Context: The defiance of Duskendale not only shattered what was left of his sanity. But grounded it what remained into a fine powder and that powder was snorted. He returns to Kings Landing, viewing not only his son Rhaegar and hands Tywin as a traitor. But also everyone in Westeros. So he contacts the Alchemist Guild and has them produce the Wildfire caches to not only stuff under Kings Landing. But in every significant castle and holdfast between The Wall and Dorne. Along with acolytes from said guild to be near the caches so that they can get the message from Aerys. They light the caches, and boom. No more castle and no more traitors. So, instead of sending a message to Jon Arryn to execute Robert and Ned. They Eyrie, Winterfell and Storms End are reduced to smouldering ruins. As well as Casterly Rock for good measure.
@@mappingshaman5280Yes this is how I remembered it. In show he went to Dragonstone to gather forces because he knew about the bastard kids. I could be wrong though.
In both the books and show, Stannis knew the truth. What's different is ned's letter reaching him. In the show, Stannis received the letter, but in the books, he didn’t because the messenger Ned sent was killed in the Lannister's coup before he could leave.
Good stuff. I do wonder about a match between Jaime and Ned. Consider that Ned + 6 others took on 3 kingsguard, who were all apparently better than Selmy, and it is considered that Selmy is still the best in Westeros. Surrounded by personal guards, in the midst of battle, its likely a draw. There is no need to even talk with the Freys. Going down to Kings Landing does not require crossing the larger segments of the Trident. Also, White Harbour has a decent fleet, which could ferry some Northmen down south to join Stannis.
i think ned would kill theon if push comes to shove, if you take the logic of ned not killing daenerys and rhaegars kids because they’re children and have done nothing wrong then theon wouldn’t be killed right then and there. say the iron born invaded and somehow were able to push the north back, ned would send a threat or two. if they didn’t listen, then theon would be next or maybe he’d pull a ramsey and send a part of him lmao. the more likely option is put theon out there like the frey sons did with edmure but actually go through with it. the iron born might accept yara but what if euron returned upon hearing of theon’s death like he did baelon. what i think would be interesting is if upon his death, robert ordered ned to declare what he had him write on his paper, that ned would be regent until jeffery came of age since cersei had ripped the paper saying he should’ve made it public news. i wonder how they would react to it, interesting video topic or theory in my opinion
did you not forget, would Ned not contact Jon at this point before he take the black, to come to Winterfell, even if only to say a final goodbye to Arya?
good video! I thought that maybe shireen the stone skin and bran the broken could have been a likely match but heirs are needed and the cripple probably can't make those so Rikon and Shireen are a better pair lol but Bran ending up as the king in this alternate universe aswell would be hiarious.
Kinda off topic but I think in the main timeline Sansa felt like she was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Contrary to popular belief, Sansa actually loves and cares about Arya (It’s very evident in her POV chapters in the books) but Arya embarrasses her (pre Ned’s death) which is so normal.
Whoa, you threw away a bunch at the end. Daenerys comes back, and Mel and Selyse see her as a prophesied figure, so Selyse walks into a night fire to make way for Stannis to marry her. Stannis is roasted Quentin style, trying to claim a dragon.
I really think there's enough for a part 2 here. If I'm remembering the time line right. Jon would be told about Arya before he takes his vows. So he could come back and stay with his family. And Ned could do 2 things here. Either have Jon legitimized or more likely in my mind. Tell him the truth now that Roberts dead and send him east with say Jory to find Danny. Jon bonds with Rhaegal and Danny much sooner ect. Ect.
What if Sansa and Arya's places were swapped during the attempted coup and Arya became a political hostage in King's Landing and Sansa ran/was brought to the Night's watch crew?
Ok but cat didn't tell ned not to go she said she needed to go after she got the letter to look into John Arron and you left out his motivation behind that. Bed didn't go to kl and then go oh I'll look into this murder. That was his main reason for going.
Allow me to make the first comment that isn’t a suggestion. Winter would come for House Lannister, House Boratheon, and any sorry son of a bitch in their way. Bring the Martells in, the Lannisters would be fucked 10 ways from sunday
@@ifeeldead463 I feel like he would have turned out to be a better person if he wasn’t raised by Cersei. No child is born evil, they are shaped by what they are taught. Stannis could’ve raised him to be honorable and a decent king.
~14:00 your reasoning is flawed here. Cersei only had Robert killed because Ned told her that he’d found out the truth and was going to tell Robert. If that doesn’t happen, Robert doesn’t die on the hunt.
You’re wrong. Cersei was already planning to kill Robert before Ned confronted her. Go back to episode 6, Robert was already on the hunt and Lancel was getting him drunk so he could get killed, Cersei’s plan was already in motion before Ned said anything. Not to mention in episode 6 Ned didn’t even know that her kids were bastards yet until the end of the episode, it’s in episode 7 that he actually confronts Cersei and tells her his plan for when Robert comes back but by that point it’s too late and Robert is already done for.
@@TheEmpyreanSpeaks Respectfully, I don’t agree. Varys heavily alludes to the fact that Ned’s choice to give Cersei the chance to escape was the immediate cause of Robert’s death. I’m paraphrasing, but I believe the line is something like “The wine slowed him, and the boar ripped him open, but it was your mercy that killed the king.” Even if Varys was wrong or, for some reason, lying, the only reason Cersei had to take the risk of killing Robert was to put Joffrey on the throne before the truth could be exposed.
Cersei could certainly have sent word to Lancel to make sure Robert died on the hunt after her conversation with Ned. I’ve always assumed that was what must have happened, given Varys’s dialogue.
I see what you’re saying but I still don’t think that lines up. In your earlier statement you say that Robert dies specifically because Ned chose to confront Cersei and what I’m saying is Robert was already in the process of being killed before that conversation. So Ned confronting Cersei has nothing to do with Robert dying. Even though, yes she did move to kill Robert to cover up her secret, this is before she knew that Ned knew about her and Jaime, but she still knew she wouldn’t be safe forever. Her plan was already in motion regardless of what was or wasn’t said. Not to mention Varys is a man with an agenda. So he’s most likely lying to Ned about his involvement with Roberts death because realistically once Robert left and Lancel went with him there was nothing nothing Ned could do affect what happens to Robert.
With respect I also fail to see the reasoning behind this. If you go back to episode 6 Robert has a very small hunting party and doesn’t seem to have made a camp in the Kingswood so they’re just marching along. How would Cersei even know where they are to get word to Lancel specifically if they keep moving around with no real base? And if we say word does get to Lancel, he’s always next to Robert and there are two other people there, Barristan Selmy and Renly. On the off chance word does get to him via some raven from Cersei wouldn’t they find it suspicious that it’s for the kings squire and not the king? They’d probably assume the message from the raven was something important if it flew all the way out there and the information couldn’t wait until they got back from the hunt.
I don't think Cersei becomes regent, nor will Tywin become hand. Ned was told of he left Bobby would pin Jaime f*n Lannister. Jaime would know Cersei as regent would be a terrible idea
Bobby told Ned that as a threat to bait him because he knew Ned hated Jaime. Honestly if Ned never accepts the position, I think its more likely that he just names Renly his hand.
What if Nymeria killed Joffery at the Trident? Would the War of the five kings still occur? Would Rob get angry or just say, "Give me the grief wine!!"?
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What if Lancel find the "breastplate stretcher"
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@@7dragons7swords in the books cersei wanted him to fight on the melé 👀
Robert participates in the melee and accidentally atomizes The Mountain because he forgot how strong he was
The true hero of the story, lancel
Becomes azor ahai kills white walkers and marries cersei
What if Cersi died in childbirth when she gave birth to Joffery?
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So I play a lot of the game of thrones mod for Crusader Kings 3.
this happened once. Robert married a Dornish noblewoman and then died in a tournament accident. Jeoffrey took the throne at like 7 He was still on the throne when Young Griff invaded. Dorn, Highgarden, the Stormlands under Renley, 90% of the Riverlands and about half the vale jumped at the chance to get a child Psychopath off the iron throne. Westerlands, the North, the other half of the Vale, and most of the crown lands sided with Jeoff
war was hell. Young Griff took the throne, married my only daughter, who was also my heir, had tons of kids and that's how I won the game of thrones in 3 generations.
Robert isnt going to magically going to be present in Joffrey's life so he's still raised by maesters and family, primarily Tywin and Tyrion. Joffrey isnt gonna be a nice guy but he isn't a little nutjob or at least, it's more subdued as Tywin and Tyrion arent enablers. He's still cruel but he's smart and tactical now, better at hiding his cruelty.
@@ifeeldead463that or he might be sent to be a ward for Jon Arryn or Ned. That would probably be the best outcome
@@harryt7363 thats if Tywin would let it happen. Dude would try to pull some strings to keep Joffrey in his clutches
One thing that was kinda glossed over in this scenario was the Reach.
With the Tyrells siding with the Lannisters at the Blackwater and losing, there is no chance in hell they stay Lords Paramount.
Especially considering the fact that Stannis already has more than enough reason to dislike Mace for both the siege of Storm's End, as well as declaring for Renly.
They are 100% getting stripped of everything, and one of the more prominent houses will get Highgarden.
My money's probably on the Florents considering Selyse is one.
Great point!
Damn. Rickon having a claim or succession to the Iron Throne, the Stormlands, the Reach and the North is the glaze he deserves 😂
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You forgot the Riverlands homie, his mom is a Tully
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This is a good point. Knowing Stannis the Tyrells would have been in for it after he took the throne. I don’t know how this slipped my mind.
If Stannis had the North and Riverlands, it's possible houses like the Tyrells wouldn't have supported Renly in the first place
What if Joffrey used the crossbow in the throne room before Tyrion arrived and Sansa died?
Jaime probably dies
Yes great idea
Robb will be more war focused and Lannisters will die on sight, no prisoners
What if joffrey is sent to get raised at winterfield as a kid?
Not possible. He's the crown prince. Maybe Tommen could have been sent but Cersei would not have allowed it.
@@Freya1412It’s a what if lad, it’s perfectly possible for the Crown Prince the ‘son’ of Robert Baratheon who sees Ned as a brother to be made ward of Winterfell because Robert too was a ward despite being first born and it through that, that he met his best friend. So it’s not impossible at all.
@abford03 if I remember there was talk of sending Joffrey to ward in the Vale that Cercei put a stop to. But the idea of sending him north to Robert's best friend....that might have had more success,
@@Freya1412 some princes do get sent away but yes there is no way cersei allowed it
@@abford03 yes I know it's a what if. However this what if makes absolutely no sense. A crown prince will never be sent away from the safety of his home. He also needs to stay at his father, the king's side to learn how to rule and remain at court to be exposed to the politics of court. He will have access to advisors like the king's hand and other members of the small council that he can learn from. For this what if to work you'd have to have a good reason to send him away from Kingslanding so far North where he could be easily killed by enemies of the crown. Winter fell isn't exactly the Red keep now is it? How secure is Winter fell exactly? Then there's the problem with Cersei.
Look I'm all for entertaining what ifs however when it's going into absolutely idiocy territory then no🤦♀️. And I'm not a Lad.
Rickon potentially becoming king consort in a timeline is actually pretty funny for a character that does absolutely nothing in the actual show.
Ned took Theon as a hostage but he raised him as a ward/son. I don’t see any instance where Ned would kill him.
Tywin would try and fail to dissuade Cersei? I think he'd sooner put her under house arrest and rule himself as Tommen's hand.
Agreed. Yes, Cersei had power. But do not forget the might of Tywin and how well he had his children under his thumb. Yes, he’d absolutely even get rid of Cersei to prevent a senseless war. Justice had already been achieved to his eyes and as much as he cared for his legacy, Cersei had already done her duty by having children, so she was no longer really needed (I know, awful take on women)
i use to think about this all the time because the way joffrey was swinging that sword was crazy. she's quick on her feet even before all the training.
What if the dragons were brought back during the tragedy of summerhall
No doubt Aerys would call dibs on a dragon. If there was more than one, he'd allow Rhaella and Rhaegar to have their own but if there were only two (including Aerys' dragon), he'd only give one to Rhaegar since he's the heir.
Also I can see Aerys bullying and antagonizing Tywin with his dragon.
Wouldn't Micah tell the same story as Sansa? Or did Micah run off with Nymeria? Cersei might not accept what Sansa and Micah say but I'm pretty sure Robert would. Didn't Robert catch him killing kittens at one point? Or some such Westerosi equivalent?
He killed a pregnant cat and cut out the kittens to show Robert who then hit him so hard Cersei thought Robert killed him. So Robert will fuck up Joffrey if he feels the need
Well technically Joffrey killed a pregnant cat opened up its belly and brought the unborn Kittens to Robert out of curiosity but yeah the same connotation still applies in a way. Knowing how Joffrey grew up under Cersei who fed his delusion and Robert not being there and his secret "True parentage" would lead to a crazed psycho like him.
Micah already ran off in the original when Nymeria just bit Joffrey. No way he's sticking around when 2 highborns are dead lol
If anything, he'd suffer his canon fate. Or worse. A distraught Cersei would definitely ask for him to be brought in alive, and dude's getting the Ramsay special 😢
Also, Robert believes it here too. Which is why he didnt punish anyone further. It's really Cersei that needs to be convinced, since she was planning to off Robert anyway. And she holds grudges for life.
@@facesofthechimera right, I couldn't recall when he bounced, it's been about a decade since watching it or reading it. Even so though, if he can be run down he can be found, and without Joffrey saying this lowborn attacked me there's no reason to run him down. His instinct to run would likely still be the same but he's no Show-Gendry he's just not fast enough to cover enough ground to get away from men on horses.
@@silentecho92able yeah I think my brain censored that part lol. Joffrey is great character, horrible person, but he was doomed from the start I believe.
Suggestion: what if Jamie was able to protect Elia and her children from the mountain?
Why would he?
@@Just_a_Dude80 well, why not? It’s an interesting concept for a video, and character traits have been altered in these videos before to explore other interesting conclusions. While the Jamie we know isn’t above killing innocents himself, we know he felt sympathy for Rhaella while she endured marital rape and became disillusioned in his duties enough to kill his king to save the people, why not create a version where after the mad king is slain, rather than sit the throne he seeks out the people he was sworn to protect who, most importantly, DESERVE protecting as a way to atone for his sins and perhaps maintain a sense of honor and duty within himself?
@bibijinnie7184 This is not good for the lannisters. After Robert's death, Joffrey wouldn't be the only heir for the throne. And if the bastards were immediately destroyed by the Lannisters, why wouldn't they kill the Targaryen children? Moreover, if Bobby B wanted Danny dead, why wouldn't he send assassins for all the Targaryens, especially in Westeros. They are also in great danger in the mad queen arc. So they're crapped anyway IMHO
@@Just_a_Dude80 perhaps! But in this scenario I don’t think Jamie would be thinking about his house, I think he would embody the knight he looked up to and wanted to be : Arthur Dayne. I believe the most interesting part of this change would be how it changes Jamie. Would a Jamie who risked it all to protect a mother and his children be so eager to throw bran out of a tower? Would Cersei have made a comment about “saving rhaegars whore wife” and thus making him see her differently, perhaps breaking their incestuous bond? What would happen afterwards would be up for debate, this why I’d like to see the video. Besides, keeping Elia around would certainly be interesting, as I doubt even if robert had the children put to the sword that he would condemn her as well. See, barristan Selme, who worked for and obviously has positive feelings about rhaegar is pardoned and keeps his prestigious position, would it be so insane to think he might have elia just shipped back to dorne? Either way I think I just wanna hear what scenarios this guy would come up with lol
@@bibijinnie7184 maybe
Can you do what if aegon Elia and rhaenys are all sent with viserys and rhaella to dragonstone
I would definitely want to see that happen. Those three deserve to live and be with family. Plus if they live and the story roughly stays the same, then Rhaenys and Aegon could bond with Daenerys’s other dragons: Daenerys with Drogon, Rhaenys with Rhaegal and Aegon with Viserion.
What if Jaehaerys II was just excluded from line of succession from Aegon V
I imagine they'd get smuggled back to Dorne once Dany is born. Viserys is less messed up as he lives in a more stable environment and there are adults to do the parenting so he isnt forced to raise his sister but Robert still wants his, Dany, Aegon and Rhaenys' heads on pikes so kid is still paranoid even if the Martells promise to protect him, his sister, niece and nephew. Speaking of Robert, yeah, dude still wants them dead but Jon Arryn talks him out of throwing hands with Dorne, especially since Westeros still recovering from the rebellion.
Not sure if Dany still gets her eggs but if they do hatch, I'm agreeing with Alexander that Dany, Rhaenys and Aegon get to be riders while Viserys goes to sulk about not getting an egg or having to wait for the dragons to lay an egg for him.
Stannis would look Drogon in his eye and say "I too am a scion of Ancient Valyria. Bend the knee or be destroyed."
Oof. This will be a messy one! Suggestion: please do What if Daeron I lived, won over dorne and married daena
Yes
It just might be better for him to marry a Martell unless you mean BEFORE he left to take Dorne.
Marry Daena ? Baelor married Daena a year before Daeron died
“Baelor married his younger sister, Princess Daena Targaryen, in 160 AC. He refused to consummate their marriage,however, causing his sister, who usually dressed all in black, to change her clothes to only whites in an attempt to shame him, as she had sworn to wear nothing else until she was properly bedded. The plan did not work, as Baelor liked to see his sister all in white, feeling it made her look more innocent.”
he wouldnt have married daena. as another commenter pointed out she was already married to baelor by the time he goes off to dorne. as we see with daeron 2 an instrumental part of any treaty like that would be marriage alliances. he would probably marry a martell (ironically probably myriah since she was the prince of dorne of that period's daughter) or another high ranking dornish woman like a yronwood or a dayne. his two other sisters would probably be married into dorne as well
@@faithmoir1637 Myriah Martel would've been too old.
Young
What if Myrcella “Baratheon” married Robb Stark instead Joffrey & Sansa?
What if Jamie Lannister was at the Tower Of Joy instead of Gerold Hightower?
What if Rhaelle Baratheon, Robert, Stannis & Renly’s grandmother was still alive during Robert’s Rebellion?
You should do, “what if Lyanna Stark birthed a daughter instead of a son?”
One very tiny thing I wanted to bring up is that this siege would actually be cake for Stanis and for several reasons and a big chunk of it is because the walls would be burned the fuck down.
I don't know if you remember but cersei was planning on shooting the wildfire out of a trebuchet a couple of ships would probably get burned but more than likely the wildfire would explode and destroy a section of the wall just thought that was worth bringing up
Pausing at 14:02 to say that without Ned's threat to Cersei about telling Robert about her infidelity, she has no incentive to kill Robert. While the strongwine ruse worked in canon, it wasn't without risk. Without an imminent threat to her children, Cersei has no incentive to take that risk.
Remember, this is show-Cersei, who legitimately loves her children. Since there's no situation compelling action, I think she'd be caught up in mourning and nurturing her other children. And who knows, shared grief over Joffrey might bring Cersei and Robert together. And the fact that they now need a back-up heir for Tommen might result in Cersei bearing another black-haired baby. She knows Stannis is suspicious, therefore the best way to sow doubt about his probably-upcoming charges is to have an indisputably Baratheon baby. That's the best way to protect Myrcella and Tommen, so that's what show-Cersei does.
Agree with most of your premise but a black haired child might be the worst thing possible for cersei. It raises way too many questions.
You didn't mention that Arya would have warged into Nymeria and avenged her death through her direwolf
Suggestion - What if Jaime didn't kill Aerys and just handed him to Ned
Ned and Jaime become best friends
I don’t think Arya has developed her warg abilities enough at this point in the story to have a second life in her wolf
If Ned supports Stannis then I think Renly will support him too
Yeah cause renly only was opposed to stannis because they both knew the Targaryen restoration was coming and Stannis thought the only way to survive was to abdicate a whole kingdom to buy their lives. Renly believed that they could defend the throne. With Eddard then renly and stannis would believe they have a much better chance
I unfortunately need to go to sleep, but can enjoy tomorrow on my break.
What If....
Margery Escaped the Wild Fire, everyone else died but the crowed let her go earlier on?
Tyrion had told Pycelle Theon or Robin, instead of Trystane? (Can be 1 video or if enough content 2)
In a scenario like this, where Stannis wins and then Danny appears in Westeros, I wonder what would Melissandre do? Switch to the Dragon side? Stay with Stannis? Try to get rid of Selyse and break a wedding pact between Stannis and Danny?
21:23 I don't necessarily think that Ned and the Northern arky would even go through the Twins. Because not only is there another way down south from the Neck, but also, in the canon timeline, Robb and co. were on their way to Riverrun to lift the siege, and they were in a hurry, so they had no choice but to agree to Walder's terms
Here? Not only would they not be on their way to Riverrun (because there'd be be no reason since Edmure isn't captured), but also, they;d probably just take the other way since they're not a hurry like they were in canon.
Doubt Tywin would allow Cersei to have to much power
Not enough people are saying this so I'll just say that I loved this video and how much thought was put into it. Everything made sense even if you couldn't add any of the in-betweens or Daenerys’ part to it.
Daenerys would be assassinated at some point, either by Robert's initial attempt (which Tywin is going to be backing 1000%) or by the Qarth wizards, since there's no Selmy around to protect her.
And show Euron would likely stay put. I doubt he's very interested in giving Stannis a finger in the bum lol
If Joffrey kill Arya in season 1, i bet Sansa never see her again
Interesting theory 🤔
Sansa would praise Joffrey for his valiance and have his back if someone decided he should be punished. She is a snitch and she wants to become a queen after all. She didnt care much for her sister.
@@chimachukwu3808 idk I think she'd still be shocked cuz someone still died and that's still her sister, even if they dont get along. Like ye, she can lie all she wants about Joffrey killing Arya in self defense but seeing someone you grew up with die at the hands of your crush is still gonna mess you up
@@chimachukwu3808 What are you talking about? Sansa and Arya don't hate each other, they just don't get along like normal siblings. I'm gonna assume you're an only child, but siblings bicker all the time, especially if they are close to each other. Being the two daughters, Arya and Sansa would have been put together often, and their opposite personalities would clash, but that doesn't mean they wanted each other to die. I hate when people villainize Sansa for being a girly girl who lives in her fantasies. She's a child, she's a little foolish, but every child is. Even Arya's done stupid shit, that's just being a child. Sansa believes that the idealized stories she's heard of chivalry are true, and it's on her parents for sheltering her so much, but if she saw Joffrey kill her sister, she wouldn't stay on his side. She immediately hated Joffrey after he killed Ned, and she was still pretty upset with him for what happend to Lady. It doesn't matter how much she bickered with Arya, she wouldn't ignore her murder.
@@KittyOfChess you are right sansa is my least favorite character cause she betrayed her own family twice: once when she didnt take aryas side and second time when she decided to rat ned out. What you are saying makes sense ofc. I was being rather satirical considering how stupid and trecherous sansa has shown to be.
Such a lie by Cersie at that point would see Ned behead every Lanister in that tent.
Truest statement: “And with Ned around, there’s no way he’s letting Rob break his oath for Talissa” Yep! Nooooo effing way he’d break an oath with his dad around.
I disagree with you about Robert putting his foot down. We all saw Cersie's reaction when Joffrey simply got bit on the arm. She demanded death for Nymeria- and then Lady in replacement when finding out Nymeria was missing. If Joffrey was DEAD, Cersei would want Sansa dead as repayment- since Arya is also dead in this scenario. And Robert would be the same emotionally battered man he is and demand something drastic of Ned. Their friendship would either inevitably end or Ned would stupidly do whatever Robert tells him to do. Either way, Ned is going back to Winterfell after that. And Robert remains surrounded by lions and isolated from his real allies
I actually dont think the tyrells would work together with the lannisters in this verse. Stannis's army is too big. As a result Renly would likely swear fealty as Renly would have nowhere near enough men to oppose the combined strength of stannis, the north, and the river lands. Seeing how big the force is littlefinger would side with the north and convince Lysa to back the north and stannis. The tyrells would either remain nuetral or even join the northern forces as a way to not piss off stannis as there is already a rivalry there to between them and wants to look good and front of the new king. I could even see a marriage pact being made in order to secure this. Margaery and renly specifically only this time they dont break up and Loras probably joins the kings gaurd to.... Y'know be with renly. Much to Mace's dismay but in the books at least he does have other sons so in the books hes not as disappointed. And in the show. Well mace might be happy giving the seat of high garden away to a nefew or younger brother if it means his line gets to sit on the throne so he'll get over it fast when someone brings that up. Afterall, it is incredibly unlikely stannis and his wife will have anymore kids at this point. Making renly second in line. Could also see a bethrothal between Shireen and a prince from dorne to get them in on it. Although that may not be necessary as Dorne hates the Lannisters regardless so they might just join anyway out if "loyalty to the true king." Basically the lannisters and greyjoys are screwed.
13:40 “throwing accusations at your enemies at their own homes is stupid” Ned should take notes
His brother Brandon Stark should've thought of that before breaking into the Red Keep with armed hostile men, a d then threatening to murder the King's son and heir
@@benjamingarrett9960 lmaoooo didn’t even think of that
What if Littlefinger won the duel for Cats hand ?
What if Aerys had multiplied his Wildfire plot x1000
Context: The defiance of Duskendale not only shattered what was left of his sanity. But grounded it what remained into a fine powder and that powder was snorted. He returns to Kings Landing, viewing not only his son Rhaegar and hands Tywin as a traitor. But also everyone in Westeros. So he contacts the Alchemist Guild and has them produce the Wildfire caches to not only stuff under Kings Landing. But in every significant castle and holdfast between The Wall and Dorne.
Along with acolytes from said guild to be near the caches so that they can get the message from Aerys. They light the caches, and boom. No more castle and no more traitors.
So, instead of sending a message to Jon Arryn to execute Robert and Ned. They Eyrie, Winterfell and Storms End are reduced to smouldering ruins. As well as Casterly Rock for good measure.
The pyromancers would never be allowed entry unattended. In their own domains the great houses are pretty much royalty.
@@adamantiiispencespence4012 infiltrate the castles and holdfasts.
7 prayer to the butchers son he was the true prince that was promised 😢😂
Ned would have killed Jamie - the only reason Ned lost the fight in the street was because of Jamie's man interfering.
I’m sorry Jack Gleason(and I don’t blame you at all) but you did such a good job playing Joffrey I couldn’t get into Game of Thrones
This one got out of hand FAST. I think I like this alternate timeline most
What if Joffrey got sold as a kid to Lyn Corbray?
I thought in show Canon, Stannis didn't know until Ned's letter, since in book canon the letter didn't make it to Dragonstone, or am I misremembering?
Stannis in show didn't know until neds letter, in books he already knew. he was investigating the truth with Jon arryn before he died
Stannis was the one who found out that Joffrey and his siblings were bastards, but the show changed it. D&D just hated him for no good reason
He must have known in show canon. Why would he have fled to dragonstone and started gathering forces if he didn't?
@@mappingshaman5280Yes this is how I remembered it. In show he went to Dragonstone to gather forces because he knew about the bastard kids. I could be wrong though.
In both the books and show, Stannis knew the truth. What's different is ned's letter reaching him. In the show, Stannis received the letter, but in the books, he didn’t because the messenger Ned sent was killed in the Lannister's coup before he could leave.
Could do a two-fer "What if Robb swore fealty to Renly Baratheon" / "What if Robb declared for Stannis the Mannis?"
I know its maybe a bit redundant but I would love to see what could happen if Nymeria had been absent for that fight, if only Arya had died
What if Jaime leaves the kingsguard after kill Aerys,
by receiving a perdon as a favor for Tywin.
Good stuff.
I do wonder about a match between Jaime and Ned. Consider that Ned + 6 others took on 3 kingsguard, who were all apparently better than Selmy, and it is considered that Selmy is still the best in Westeros. Surrounded by personal guards, in the midst of battle, its likely a draw.
There is no need to even talk with the Freys. Going down to Kings Landing does not require crossing the larger segments of the Trident. Also, White Harbour has a decent fleet, which could ferry some Northmen down south to join Stannis.
What if Summerhall worked in getting Aegon the Unlikely dragons
i think ned would kill theon if push comes to shove, if you take the logic of ned not killing daenerys and rhaegars kids because they’re children and have done nothing wrong then theon wouldn’t be killed right then and there. say the iron born invaded and somehow were able to push the north back, ned would send a threat or two. if they didn’t listen, then theon would be next or maybe he’d pull a ramsey and send a part of him lmao. the more likely option is put theon out there like the frey sons did with edmure but actually go through with it. the iron born might accept yara but what if euron returned upon hearing of theon’s death like he did baelon. what i think would be interesting is if upon his death, robert ordered ned to declare what he had him write on his paper, that ned would be regent until jeffery came of age since cersei had ripped the paper saying he should’ve made it public news. i wonder how they would react to it, interesting video topic or theory in my opinion
11:59 ah yes... those cursed cycle paths strike again
Please do what if Littlefinger won and became King of Westeros
Mycha probably gets to live in this timeline at least
What if rickon was sent to ward with jon arryn or howland reed
what if rhaenyra’s daughter visenya lived?
Next what it: What if Arya kiled Joffrey
What if Bessie united the realms
did you not forget, would Ned not contact Jon at this point before he take the black, to come to Winterfell, even if only to say a final goodbye to Arya?
I must admit,I like some of these "what if version's" of GOT better than what actually happened in the show. Lol
got here right as the live ended damn
good video! I thought that maybe shireen the stone skin and bran the broken could have been a likely match but heirs are needed and the cripple probably can't make those so Rikon and Shireen are a better pair lol
but Bran ending up as the king in this alternate universe aswell would be hiarious.
What if Tommen was the older
If Toen was the eldest of the three, I quite doubt Ned even would be mad
Kinda off topic but I think in the main timeline Sansa felt like she was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Contrary to popular belief, Sansa actually loves and cares about Arya (It’s very evident in her POV chapters in the books) but Arya embarrasses her (pre Ned’s death) which is so normal.
What if Jon was right about the witch being a unreliable source? What if daenerys was pregnant at the end of season 8?
It's probably already been done, but I'm asking anyway in case it hasn't:
What if Robert found out about Jon's true parentage?
Why Robert wasnot close to Tommen and Myrcella?
That would have bean the End of Jophery as Ned would rightfully have exicuted the Lanister spawn where he stould.
Fallowed Amediatly by his imposter queen mother.
Whoa, you threw away a bunch at the end. Daenerys comes back, and Mel and Selyse see her as a prophesied figure, so Selyse walks into a night fire to make way for Stannis to marry her. Stannis is roasted Quentin style, trying to claim a dragon.
I really think there's enough for a part 2 here. If I'm remembering the time line right. Jon would be told about Arya before he takes his vows. So he could come back and stay with his family. And Ned could do 2 things here. Either have Jon legitimized or more likely in my mind. Tell him the truth now that Roberts dead and send him east with say Jory to find Danny. Jon bonds with Rhaegal and Danny much sooner ect. Ect.
Losing Arya for Joffery being mauled to death, hmmm.
Jamie Laster Never stands a chance against Ned or Robbert.
what if ned never told cersei that he knew?
We need a part 2
What if Sansa and Arya's places were swapped during the attempted coup and Arya became a political hostage in King's Landing and Sansa ran/was brought to the Night's watch crew?
So what happens at the wall?
What if Jon never befriended Samwell
What if Joffrey was a good and charismatic person?
You know I got a good what if
What if Oris baratheon got a dragon
Ok but cat didn't tell ned not to go she said she needed to go after she got the letter to look into John Arron and you left out his motivation behind that. Bed didn't go to kl and then go oh I'll look into this murder. That was his main reason for going.
part 2 when?
Allow me to make the first comment that isn’t a suggestion.
Winter would come for House Lannister, House Boratheon, and any sorry son of a bitch in their way.
Bring the Martells in, the Lannisters would be fucked 10 ways from sunday
I don't think Daenerys is a factor in this. Unless I missed it Baristan didn't get released. Which means she likely dies from the manticore.
What if Joffrey was fostered at Dragonstone with Stannis
Poor Shireen's gonna get bullied unless Stannis managed to keep those two separated and properly discipline the boy
@@ifeeldead463 I feel like he would have turned out to be a better person if he wasn’t raised by Cersei. No child is born evil, they are shaped by what they are taught. Stannis could’ve raised him to be honorable and a decent king.
What if Daena the Defiant hatched a dragon?
What if gregor killed sandor as a child
~14:00 your reasoning is flawed here. Cersei only had Robert killed because Ned told her that he’d found out the truth and was going to tell Robert. If that doesn’t happen, Robert doesn’t die on the hunt.
You’re wrong. Cersei was already planning to kill Robert before Ned confronted her. Go back to episode 6, Robert was already on the hunt and Lancel was getting him drunk so he could get killed, Cersei’s plan was already in motion before Ned said anything. Not to mention in episode 6 Ned didn’t even know that her kids were bastards yet until the end of the episode, it’s in episode 7 that he actually confronts Cersei and tells her his plan for when Robert comes back but by that point it’s too late and Robert is already done for.
@@TheEmpyreanSpeaks Respectfully, I don’t agree. Varys heavily alludes to the fact that Ned’s choice to give Cersei the chance to escape was the immediate cause of Robert’s death. I’m paraphrasing, but I believe the line is something like “The wine slowed him, and the boar ripped him open, but it was your mercy that killed the king.” Even if Varys was wrong or, for some reason, lying, the only reason Cersei had to take the risk of killing Robert was to put Joffrey on the throne before the truth could be exposed.
Cersei could certainly have sent word to Lancel to make sure Robert died on the hunt after her conversation with Ned. I’ve always assumed that was what must have happened, given Varys’s dialogue.
I see what you’re saying but I still don’t think that lines up. In your earlier statement you say that Robert dies specifically because Ned chose to confront Cersei and what I’m saying is Robert was already in the process of being killed before that conversation. So Ned confronting Cersei has nothing to do with Robert dying. Even though, yes she did move to kill Robert to cover up her secret, this is before she knew that Ned knew about her and Jaime, but she still knew she wouldn’t be safe forever. Her plan was already in motion regardless of what was or wasn’t said. Not to mention Varys is a man with an agenda. So he’s most likely lying to Ned about his involvement with Roberts death because realistically once Robert left and Lancel went with him there was nothing nothing Ned could do affect what happens to Robert.
With respect I also fail to see the reasoning behind this. If you go back to episode 6 Robert has a very small hunting party and doesn’t seem to have made a camp in the Kingswood so they’re just marching along. How would Cersei even know where they are to get word to Lancel specifically if they keep moving around with no real base? And if we say word does get to Lancel, he’s always next to Robert and there are two other people there, Barristan Selmy and Renly. On the off chance word does get to him via some raven from Cersei wouldn’t they find it suspicious that it’s for the kings squire and not the king? They’d probably assume the message from the raven was something important if it flew all the way out there and the information couldn’t wait until they got back from the hunt.
What if daemon and caraxes lived what if the storming of the Dragon pit failed what if the tragedy at summer hall never happened
What if borros baratheon won the battle of the kingsroad?
what if daemon was hand of the king?
Sansa to Arya: "SHHHHTOLP IT! SHHHHTOLP IT! YO RUINING AAAVERI TING!"
You should do a what if rhaenrya went to rooks rest instead
He already did.
what if tyrion and sansa had a child
What if the Dragonborn from Skyrim was in westeros
Robert wouldn’t get killed bc the reason why he got killed is bc Ned found out about the incest.
Do you mean "What if Arya/Nymeria killed Joffrey?"
22:39 blooper lol
Tywain might kill Cersei for starting a war with the north
What if Ned slept with Cersei?👑
3:52 arya*
Is it bad that this is kinda the best ending?
I don't think Cersei becomes regent, nor will Tywin become hand. Ned was told of he left Bobby would pin Jaime f*n Lannister. Jaime would know Cersei as regent would be a terrible idea
Then she sleeps with him and he gives in. Jaime's life story is trying to resist Cersei's toxic behaviour and just failing.
Bobby told Ned that as a threat to bait him because he knew Ned hated Jaime. Honestly if Ned never accepts the position, I think its more likely that he just names Renly his hand.
Interestinng scenario, bur ypur explanation is boring.
What if Nymeria killed Joffery at the Trident?
Would the War of the five kings still occur? Would Rob get angry or just say, "Give me the grief wine!!"?
I’ve always hated Sansa