The Day Hololive Almost Died

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  • @MarioMasterProductions
    @MarioMasterProductions 4 месяца назад +965

    It's funny how Capcom took down all those videos and then later be like, "We're going to sponsor you.".

    • @demonsofrazg
      @demonsofrazg 4 месяца назад +36

      What if this was their plan all along!!

    • @hazamax2139
      @hazamax2139 4 месяца назад +100

      That's just how money works. PR wise they were OK with it but letting an organization profit from their product like that conveys the message of "everyone can do it." And if everyone can do it, you cannot complain in court.
      This applies to indies too but suing an individual and suing internationally is a whole can of worms that companies just do not want to open, it's just not worth it.

    • @orange._.persik4006
      @orange._.persik4006 4 месяца назад +27

      They didn't take out all videos they took out 2, and it was technically reasonable from their perspective. (I know there's 0 reason to stop people from seeing your game but Japanese companies are auper dumb and think in 20th century logic.)
      Later cover actually asked them officially the permit to play the games and they were happy to oblige to a super popular company compared to a little one it was in 2019-2020

    • @shade0180
      @shade0180 4 месяца назад +28

      @@orange._.persik4006 then mio fan won a capcom cup.

    • @TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog
      @TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog 4 месяца назад +1

      Too bad japan has cancer fair use/copyright laws

  • @suhnih4076
    @suhnih4076 4 месяца назад +762

    It really sucks how we live in a timeline where people need permission to stream music

    • @UnownDepth
      @UnownDepth 4 месяца назад +136

      Music companies are assholes like that

    • @lizlizbianrosethornsword
      @lizlizbianrosethornsword 4 месяца назад +112

      ​@@UnownDepthThe worst part? They abused tf out of RUclips's ©️ system. Which is horse crap.

    • @TheShiningEnergy
      @TheShiningEnergy 4 месяца назад +4

      some are better than others.@@UnownDepth

    • @cucumbermainline
      @cucumbermainline 4 месяца назад +34

      It's an uphill battle to force any changes in the world's old and broken copyright laws. A lot of businesses are benefitting from them.

    • @lionelk.y7233
      @lionelk.y7233 4 месяца назад +11

      ​@@cucumbermainline Not only that
      But the biggest fear of changing the rules
      It makes it worse and the end result would become more predatory

  • @YoRHaDemon
    @YoRHaDemon 4 месяца назад +271

    You know this is ancient because /vt/ wasn't even created and /jp/ was used for the VTuber discussion in 4chan.

    • @kris8569
      @kris8569 4 месяца назад

      Oh man I checked out /vt/ recently and really saw the dark spot in the Vtuber fanbase. So glad I stopped going on 4chan, what fucking freaks man

    • @kris8569
      @kris8569 4 месяца назад

      Imagine still going on 4chan 😂. I checked out the /vt/ board after not going on that site for yeaaars, and the shit I saw there disgusted me lol. It’s definitely a stain on the Vtuber community lol. I hope no Vtubers go on that board and see the gross shit people post and say about them lol. The Biboo thread I saw was just…. ew. Nothing but schizo posting and borderline CP

    • @kris8569
      @kris8569 4 месяца назад

      Imagine still going on 4chan. I recently checked out the /vt/ board and saw a Biboo thread. That entire thread was just… ew. Pretty much everyone was just talking about her “kiddie holes” 🤮. I hope vtubers never go on that board and see the gross shit y’all post about them lol

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 2 месяца назад +6

      @bobokaba123 i mean /jp/ is older than vtubing itself by a good margin so in a discusion about vtubers its imposible to go before /jp/ even existed
      also man i remember the funding of /vt/ i was there when the touhous were getting exterminated in mass by the hololive wave, when the entire board became the fastest board on the entire site for a couple of weeks, and finally when /vt/ was born (still the fastest board on the site every time hololive does anything)

  • @AFO666
    @AFO666 4 месяца назад +103

    tinfoil hat moment: when capcom and hololive struck a deal, mio was specified as being someone who capcom HAD to collab with as part of the agreement to kickstart mio again and as a show of good faith.

    • @Fate862
      @Fate862 4 месяца назад +9

      I did enjoy that. Its like "their is no ill will, just ask us for permission next time" kinda thing. It did help out cover alot. More than half if not mostly all the videos that the hololive girls had on their channels didn't have perms so this helped them understand that having perms in a country where perms are important as there is no fair use law to protect them its better to just ask and get them the right way. Now its an always used system so there is no legal issues or strikes unless an error is made somehow. But you are correct, collabing with Mio was a show of good faith and also getting Mio's name more out there for capcom fans and gamers, while also getting abit of capcom publicity to Hololive fans. Like what Korone does with Sega and her collabs with them and sonic or even her and capcom too lol.

    • @Corrodias
      @Corrodias 4 месяца назад +3

      That would just be cruel, forcing her to play nice with the company that just tried to axe her channel.

  • @yincka
    @yincka 4 месяца назад +187

    Not to be that guy, but i appreciate the new vtuber archivists out there that probably have all their oshi's video's saved to their own personal computers and the like.

    • @sakiamira
      @sakiamira 4 месяца назад +37

      You'll never know when your OSHI will graduate so now we need to archive their sh-+ before it's too late

    • @illiiilli24601
      @illiiilli24601 4 месяца назад

      Same

    • @OnePlayer480
      @OnePlayer480 4 месяца назад +33

      A few people were being called crazy by archiving Mel years or months before February 2024.
      Suddenly they were actually seen as prophets.

    • @rooislangwtf
      @rooislangwtf 4 месяца назад +11

      Mel was too p̶o̶n̶ pure for this world 😭

    • @justlooking070
      @justlooking070 4 месяца назад

      ​@@OnePlayer480 tbf cover also gave them a month to archive shit

  • @lizlizbianrosethornsword
    @lizlizbianrosethornsword 4 месяца назад +427

    The following events and factors Hololive was saved.
    Having a awesome CEO like Yagoo.
    Cover Corp interacting with their fans and embracing the cringe.
    Taking most feedback seriously.
    Their quality in everything is mwah.
    And unlike Nijisanji they know when to to be stubborn and when to fold. After all when they got tf out of China and Fubuki also sacrificed her CN fanbase for her Holo Mems? You know things got real. Many events really saved Hololive.
    Covid really helped them to more than harm really when everybody was stuck at home.

    • @miletilblight2181
      @miletilblight2181 4 месяца назад +16

      The 6 Chinese hologirls basically dropping off the face of the earth hurts still tbh
      Only 2 I really say anything of were the two that spoke fluent English
      Aria and cylvia I think we're there names?
      It's been so long but they had potentially
      One was super competitive and was in legit tournaments and the other was starting to build a RUclips channel to get a western audience...probably hoping to survive the incoming storm tbh

    • @Chinito116
      @Chinito116 4 месяца назад +53

      I'd rather not have those wolf warriors within Hololive. Artia was one of the leading forces among the Antis.

    • @reachlol1
      @reachlol1 4 месяца назад +31

      Only 2 of the CN girls were not involved with the drama. As they were actually from Taiwan. Yogiri and Spade Echo I believe? Which were also bullied by the rest of the CN talents and management due to being Taiwanese. Artia being the main instigator for a lot of it.

    • @FrarmerFrank
      @FrarmerFrank 4 месяца назад +16

      Well, they closed Hololive China cause turned out some of them and their fans were among the Harrasment campaign against Coco
      Of course Coco being closer to a A-Chan is one of the reasons Hololive circled the Wagons around Coco
      Hololive EN was pitched by CoCo with her ending up an Orbiter of the EN Branch as still CoCo thus Omega? Model going unused

    • @shinodamasaru7945
      @shinodamasaru7945 4 месяца назад +7

      plus, Cover corp supports clippers and indie fangames. with policy.

  • @SWIFTO_SCYTHE
    @SWIFTO_SCYTHE 4 месяца назад +211

    The GREEN was what stayed... THE GREY WAS LOST Holy crap

    • @crumpets8266
      @crumpets8266 4 месяца назад +26

      Yeah I was looking at the percentages thinking 10 percent ain't so bad but how come so many of AZki vods were taken down? She hardly streamed gaming content at that time.After DN said the green was what remained it made much more sense

    • @ed_cmntonly
      @ed_cmntonly 4 месяца назад +28

      AZKi, Moona, Iofi, and Risu being the only real survivors of the Holopurge looking at over the endless amounts of lifeless Holo member bodies as Capcom laughs in the distance like a supervillain who just achieved their goals:

    • @randomised3818
      @randomised3818 4 месяца назад +8

      that 4% for ayame is crazy

  • @kirbyx2573
    @kirbyx2573 4 месяца назад +218

    Permissions are one hell of a thing. Mad what could have been if stuff went just a little different.

  • @culade
    @culade 4 месяца назад +136

    Unfortunately Hololive still can't get perms from Sony to play any 1st party games.
    I remember Biboo was really excited to Bloodborne for the first time, had a thumbnail up and everything; but Sony once again said no. She was so sad over that.

    • @neverheard446
      @neverheard446 4 месяца назад +17

      sony have own vtuber and one of share holder of anycolor

    • @mmyr8ado.360
      @mmyr8ado.360 4 месяца назад +70

      Sony deserves what's coming for them then.

    • @Vondular
      @Vondular 4 месяца назад

      ​@@mmyr8ado.360by recent news of Helldivers 2?

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 4 месяца назад +12

      Because Sony is bone and tendon with Nijisanji.

    • @Vondular
      @Vondular 4 месяца назад +32

      ​@@neverheard446oh yes Shareholder, the highest Caste in bussiness entertainment

  • @SWIFTO_SCYTHE
    @SWIFTO_SCYTHE 4 месяца назад +91

    The loss of entire VODS like Subaru's early streams is sad.

    • @vincenttorrijos9680
      @vincenttorrijos9680 4 месяца назад +9

      Especially since Subaru when she was just staring out was kind of a mess (I think she's the only Holo girl who was an actual nobody prior to Holo.)

    • @jeremiahtorrevillas4396
      @jeremiahtorrevillas4396 4 месяца назад

      All of it? Wtf

    • @Mutualititve
      @Mutualititve 4 месяца назад +10

      ​@@vincenttorrijos9680If I remember correctly, wasn't Haachama also a nobody, she was still in highschool when she started? The same can be said for Sora, but she's an exception.

    • @vincenttorrijos9680
      @vincenttorrijos9680 4 месяца назад +2

      @@Mutualititve hachaama was in high school yes but I don't know if she was a nobody, she could have just been young. Sora on the other hand, by definition, was a nobody but her role as basically the progenitor does make her an exception

    • @astuteanansi4935
      @astuteanansi4935 4 месяца назад

      @@vincenttorrijos9680 Subaru is actually such an inspirational story. If I recall correctly, her family's *house burned down* some time before her audition. They were in dire financial straits and Subaru tried out for hololive out of desperation. She was not a content creator, a singer, an idol, she was not even a gamer or an otaku to any particular extent. *And* she somehow misread the CEO's name as YAGOO. There's never been a job interview where the odds were so heavily stacked against the interviewee. And yet the recruitment team saw something special in her, and now she's among the elite vtubers of the world. And Motoaki Tanigo is forever immortalized as YAGOO.
      There's something special about hololive that makes it more than just a corpo. It's a place where *miracles* can happen. Subaru? The hiring of Suisei *as* Suisei, letting her keep her indie identity? Miko going from failure and despair to international stardom by saying the word that usually *ruins* careers? The smashing success of holoEN against all odds despite everyone predicting it would flop horribly, and the meteoric rise of Gura to become *the* #1 vtuber in the world? The salvation of a rejected pair of twins? Hell, going from the original "13 Knights" to millions of fans worldwide is a miracle in and of its own. Dreams can come true in hololive. I know it's probably unrealistic, but I hope they never lose that spark of magic

  • @leandroiuki4337
    @leandroiuki4337 4 месяца назад +15

    That time not just Capcom was abusing the copyright strikes, but many companies around the world. People was blaming Cover for being incompetent, but Capcom only gave permission after 3 months. Nintendo was faster, they gave the permissions 1 month after asking.

  • @星影-o4z
    @星影-o4z 4 месяца назад +39

    I am Japanese. I experienced this too, and the worst part was that Nijisanji fans continued to attack Hololive, even though Nijisanji was also violating copyrights. The attacks and oppression on the message boards continued for over a year. I was watching both Nijisanji and Hololive at the time, but it was so bad that I stopped watching Nijisanji after this incident.

    • @carrot708
      @carrot708 4 месяца назад +11

      And then Niji fans did something even worse a month or two later, sending shit to Mano Aloe's home address and threatening her family

    • @tinlight4032
      @tinlight4032 3 месяца назад +3

      Yes, to this day I always block every video about Nijisanji because of their toxicity (especially their fans) and also Chinese vtubers too.

    • @jamesche7496
      @jamesche7496 3 месяца назад +2

      And now Niji is taking the hit when Holo is chill right now, man how life could turn

  • @chins4tw
    @chins4tw 4 месяца назад +270

    Hololive had grown too large to not ask for perms.
    It was a necessary step to grow further.

    • @Vergil.bin.Sparda
      @Vergil.bin.Sparda 4 месяца назад +7

      they still ask for perms even now

    • @anhkduc7930
      @anhkduc7930 4 месяца назад +8

      They still ask for perms. They just don't need their talents themself having to do that tedious work. Also they only need to asked for the permission once and it applied to the entire company

    • @rawrmonster6782
      @rawrmonster6782 4 месяца назад +35

      bruh these people don't know how to read XD

    • @SnakeSagacity
      @SnakeSagacity 4 месяца назад

      Too large to NOT ask permission guys. Meaning the company has gotten so big that they now HAVE TO ask permission to things that previously got a pass.​@@Vergil.bin.Sparda

    • @leandroiuki4337
      @leandroiuki4337 4 месяца назад +2

      But copystrike a video after 2 years being public is still pointless.

  • @Duplucky5
    @Duplucky5 4 месяца назад +6

    I heard about this Holo purge. I knew more or less what happened, but seeing the ratio of saved videos/deleted videos is really scary. What a horror to imagine now that Hololive could have disappeared at that time and that we would never have discovered all these adorable comedians.

  • @YarugumaSou
    @YarugumaSou 4 месяца назад +115

    7:42 That aged like milk.

  • @jamesche7496
    @jamesche7496 3 месяца назад +3

    Fun fact, after that dark time, on BiliBili you can still find a lot of those videos saved up and translated with subtitle in the website, so there was an archive that people could download, but when the CN incident happenend, everything was deleted or hidden due to the raging CN fans, and so now everything is truly lost

  • @darkshaman98
    @darkshaman98 4 месяца назад +46

    It's crazy people bitch about hololive being strict with permissions as well

    • @grafzeppelin4069
      @grafzeppelin4069 4 месяца назад +25

      This is one of the reasons WHY Hololive is so strict with perms.

  • @Khantlerpartesar
    @Khantlerpartesar 4 месяца назад +60

    New fans nowadays have zero idea what kind of hell Hololive Production went through in 2020. It's an absolute nightmare of a year. They indeed got a super boosted popularity but at the same time the largest known controversy - that's why some folks referred to this era of Hololive as the "Silver/Grey Age".
    Nijisanji, for better or for worse, the negative stuff happening are only affecting the EN side of things - meanwhile their JP side is still thriving strong, despite what others says.
    Meanwhile, Hololive in 2020, they not only fought a branch (CN) who has one or two talents in open rebellion from their real accounts, they also went directly to court and you can see Coco and Haato's vtuber images plastered on a paper regarding about them saying "Taiwan". They managed to survived from a government who not only hates them (historically speaking) and still came out victorious and even more thriving in the international waters.

    • @darkshaman98
      @darkshaman98 4 месяца назад +8

      2020 was the golden age, It's when myth debuted and they skyrocketed to the most popular vtuber company, sure there was the whole CN thing but ultimately Coco would have left anyway

    • @forcexjr1566
      @forcexjr1566 4 месяца назад +14

      As a Singaporean Chinese, it’s also the defining moment that made me dislike irrational mainland Chinese. I was quite chill with them, but when the drama kicked off I was like, nah, I’m going to oppose them for the rest of my life.

    • @OnePlayer480
      @OnePlayer480 4 месяца назад +2

      @@forcexjr1566Honestly they got some cool stuff but they can be so stiff that it actually borders on parody.
      If anything, we understand, there's a lot of reasons why things came to be like that. It's not just something that just happens because, but there's a real historical precedent which explains why it happens, and why it will continue to happen.

    • @LordKoKuyou
      @LordKoKuyou 4 месяца назад

      @@OnePlayer480 No it has nothing to do with history. It's just the CCP being greedy like any other communist/socialist government wanting full control of things. They will never accept Taiwan independence and will fight back hard to prevent the rest of the world to acknowledge and spread this notion.
      This has nothing to do with China hating Japan.

    • @wat_aiwan
      @wat_aiwan 4 месяца назад

      I remember some of Hololive ID fans on Twitter are also anti ID current government meanwhile current ID government are notorious for having close relation with Mainland China government so those HoloID who also ID government haters are now hate the Mainland China government more than ever.
      Based HoloID fans, fuck CCP and fuck the corrupt Indonesian goverment

  • @21Raph___A
    @21Raph___A 4 месяца назад +199

    I can never imagine Hololive dying. Though, I was not in the VTubing community during the Hololive vs China drama
    But I can imagine Kurosanji dying. Sink the yatch

    • @signumxmagnum
      @signumxmagnum 4 месяца назад +36

      The China drama is weird, because it seems to be targeting Coco which were a popular streamer in those days. I'm not surprised if there's some shady hand behind those drama to eliminate competition in China.

    • @lizlizbianrosethornsword
      @lizlizbianrosethornsword 4 месяца назад +32

      ​@@signumxmagnumThe best part? Cover and Coco aka Kson is still on good terms. Evidence has shown via actions and it shows they have a bond together despite the drama.

    • @danielhakim9485
      @danielhakim9485 4 месяца назад +36

      ​@@signumxmagnumThe thing is, Chinese' deep hatred towards Hololive (and Japanese media) was already rooted for a long time ago and the Taiwan incident happened to be the trigger to spark a bigger flame.
      The tragedy actually started from Hachama reading google analytical statistics on her worldwide viewership and mentioned Taiwan as a major part of it. The mainland Chinese fans were offended when Taiwan was mentioned and bombarded her account. Coco, knew about the issue and decided to do the same but highlight the Taiwan part louder which deviated the antis' attention towards her instead (kinda like tanking). And the rest is history.

    • @MICHAELTUMANGDAY
      @MICHAELTUMANGDAY 4 месяца назад +10

      @@signumxmagnum Coco was also hated by the Chinese even back when she was still Kson, before becoming Coco. Heck even she returned to the Kson Persona, her haters are still around.

    • @The73MPL4R
      @The73MPL4R 4 месяца назад

      ​@@danielhakim9485Not to mention the huge plot twist where one of the HoloCN members was revealed to be one of the ringleaders of the harassment campaign

  • @Absolute__Zero
    @Absolute__Zero 4 месяца назад +8

    Hololive has been through many adversities, but that’s what makes their story/rise to success all the more impactful. They rose above it all and got to the point where they’re currently at right now thanks to the talents weathering every storm and continuing to sail through those uncharted waters, Cover’s ever-improving support, the dedication of the fans, and luck.

  • @vanguardRailgun924
    @vanguardRailgun924 4 месяца назад +23

    Now I’m just imagining a timeline where Hololive died early because of this and Kurosanji was the top Vtubing Agency……….
    The Darkest Timeline

    • @kuronoch.1441
      @kuronoch.1441 4 месяца назад +8

      Well Nijisisters were always trying to do that.

    • @wat_aiwan
      @wat_aiwan 4 месяца назад +3

      Normalized woke culture and Chinese supremacy rule, that's what you got in that timeline. Glad that never existed

  • @ps4pro668
    @ps4pro668 4 месяца назад +71

    I’d personally call it the Holo-Purge. Less problematic when discussing about the purge of many streams and nearly the talents themselves.
    Fun fact: That Miko clip was one that I heard long before I actually found out about hololive, along side Fubuki’s Scatman thing and Korone playing Fall Guys.

    • @theultramage
      @theultramage 4 месяца назад +1

      From what I recall, back then it was called the Holopocalypse.

    • @OnePlayer480
      @OnePlayer480 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@theultramageThere's actually a more fitting name used already but I don't think it's appropriate for a broader audience. There's a plethora of extremely well known reasons why you don't see people commenting on it. It's not something that can be debated about either. The reasons stand tall and understandably.

    • @exquisitecanineaficionado
      @exquisitecanineaficionado 4 месяца назад

      let's just say back then, Hololive was still relatively small, and Western fanbase strictly existing as a niche on 4chan. And frankly, Holocaust is really appropriate term considering just how *MUCH* got deleted. This is basically lost media; something which might be acceptable for black and white films - and we got it in modern times. Subaru's WHOLE Undertale playthrough? That's just example. Or that one old ass scary flash game Korone played. There's more content which simply doesn't exist; unless someone archived it and uploaded elsewhere.

  • @jehmarxx2
    @jehmarxx2 4 месяца назад +5

    I dream of an alternate universe where there is an online video platform with no care about copyright.
    Wait, that was RUclips years ago.

  • @maxis2k
    @maxis2k 4 месяца назад +25

    I sense all these companies woke up once they saw how some very minor games would blow up once they appeared on a Pekora or Korone stream. SquareEnix and Capcom weren't letting their big AAA titles be played on Holo streams. But then some unknown game like Getting Over It or a retro game like Ganbare Goemon would show up on the stream and suddenly explode in popularity. And suddenly these companies were all for their latest game being streamed... Even making collab deals with Sonic and Dragon Quest.

  • @buak326
    @buak326 4 месяца назад +8

    I remember this happened. Us Towa fans got many videos saved. I had to save my video of me playing with her. I still have it

  • @clippygoat
    @clippygoat 4 месяца назад +5

    Even though we have FUWAMOCO playing Touhou again, it really hurts alot that Okayu and other JP Holo's gameplay of 2hu was almost lost in existence. I also feel bad for Mio from this.

    • @LilyKazami
      @LilyKazami 4 месяца назад +2

      To those who weren't there, Okayu went from zero bullet hell experience, to decisively beating one of Touhou's Extra bosses in a week. It was truly the stuff of legends.

  • @MICHAELTUMANGDAY
    @MICHAELTUMANGDAY 4 месяца назад +35

    I remember this where you need permission to stream games/music.
    Fast Forward today.. Capcom is repeating the same thing but through the "Mods" eradication BS.
    Also there are rumors Nijisanji Shareholders were bribing capcom at the time to takedown the Holomems' capcom related content as means of taking out the competition. Also there's another one where The niji shareholders were the ones preventing Hololive from getting perms from Konami to stream all games and that includes Yugioh.
    Come to think.. It might be true as the game doesn't need permission to be streamed. While Niji and Indies can stream Yugioh games freely without drawbacks, while Holo can't even touch the game.

    • @puhanlemontian6026
      @puhanlemontian6026 4 месяца назад +12

      in niji's early days, sony was a big shareholder, helped niji to build good connections with other companies, the reason why they can stream all these games is because they signed many comprehensive deals with all major Japanese game companies, they got the highest streaming clearance, like no time limit for pokemon game.

    • @kuronoch.1441
      @kuronoch.1441 4 месяца назад +10

      ​@@puhanlemontian6026 Also, remember that people called the Anycolor CEO a trust fund baby? Turns out, his uber-rich family was involved in making corporations favor Nijisanji more and Hololive less. It was rumored that one of the shareholders, Itochu, was heavily involved in this endeavor.

    • @DeltaAlternative-bk7nj
      @DeltaAlternative-bk7nj 4 месяца назад +3

      The Yu-Gi-Oh! thing is because Hololive closely allied with Bushiroad. Bushiroad is huge TCG distributor which handles Shadowverse, Weiss Schwarz and Cardfight Vanguard. Hololive can’t play much YGO because it is seen as betraying ally and promoting rival’s products.

    • @LilyKazami
      @LilyKazami 4 месяца назад +4

      ​@DeltaAlternative-bk7nj if that was true holo would also be restricted from other card games like Pokémon, and they have been opening those packs forever. The simplest explanation is that Konami is still butt hurt about the stuff with their board game. No conspiracy needed, on either side.

    • @kuronoch.1441
      @kuronoch.1441 4 месяца назад +3

      @@LilyKazami Well with the recent Calli collab, Konami perms are now granted at the regular. Before, they were closely knit with Nijisanji due to them sharing a building. I guess the Pomu situation (where she got unceremoniously hindered from doing a collab, reason why Calli got the job) really did make Konami turn against Nijisanji.

  • @lucia_candela
    @lucia_candela 4 месяца назад +7

    Also, this purge was making FBK meme shorts vanished, including the legendary Scatman.

  • @ultimatevexation8782
    @ultimatevexation8782 4 месяца назад +3

    Damn Mio just went to the hospital and you have this title with her image in the thumbnail.

  • @adamlopez2275
    @adamlopez2275 4 месяца назад +2

    Following Mio at the time was really rough. And then there was the Mio “Rolling Girl” fan animation that came out while she was on break… that nearly broke me at the time. It’s a really shame I can’t find any archive of that animation

  • @AzeharaCh
    @AzeharaCh 4 месяца назад +2

    I remember seeing the whole missing video counter on the sub page and never really understood how big it was despite seeing the numbers. It just seemed to big. In number form, its extremely hard to see.

  • @kressrevo
    @kressrevo 4 месяца назад +3

    this video like time capsule, keep up the work 🔥

  • @TekLura
    @TekLura 4 месяца назад +1

    i never understood why some companies have so harsh rules when it come to games, but now i understand, i didn't knew about this whole situation!
    great video btw!

  • @signumxmagnum
    @signumxmagnum 4 месяца назад +55

    Capcom could just send letter to Cover, letting them making a request for game permissions, but they just copyright strike them, sounds so fishy.

    • @TheShiningEnergy
      @TheShiningEnergy 4 месяца назад +36

      Capcom appears to be to prideful, and greedy.

    • @pngmk2
      @pngmk2 4 месяца назад

      JP gaming industry being themselves, Nintendo, Capcom, Konami, all of them are fucking retard whenever copyright is concerned.

    • @vanguardRailgun924
      @vanguardRailgun924 4 месяца назад +13

      That’s just how Corporate Japan operates and because Fair use and Copyright doesn’t exist over there.

    • @astuteanansi4935
      @astuteanansi4935 4 месяца назад +5

      @@vanguardRailgun924 It's actually insane to see a corpo like hololive being so open to fan content and even letting fans monetize said content to some extent. Nintendo and Capcom could *never*

    • @kuronoch.1441
      @kuronoch.1441 4 месяца назад +3

      @@vanguardRailgun924 It was also rumored that Riku's family pulled some strings in that situation.

  • @KeebeThePlush
    @KeebeThePlush 4 месяца назад +7

    Makes me glad that Nintendo has spared cover corp from strikes since they gave them some permission

  • @ritchieplacemedia9512
    @ritchieplacemedia9512 4 месяца назад +4

    The past can hurt, but you can either RUN from it or LEARN from it.

  • @averagewhiteguy2
    @averagewhiteguy2 4 месяца назад +94

    Never forget that it was Nijisisters who did this. The holocaust, which is what this is called, was started by angry sisters reporting holo's content.

    • @Mikael_Ore
      @Mikael_Ore 4 месяца назад +5

      Who

    • @Geats-IX
      @Geats-IX 4 месяца назад +63

      @@Mikael_Ore
      The cult of Kurosanji fans They''ve been trying to destroy Hololive from day one.

    • @suhnih4076
      @suhnih4076 4 месяца назад +4

      Real?

    • @timetochronicle
      @timetochronicle 4 месяца назад

      They had a site called Nyfco. And theyre still very active

    • @AfterthymeGaming
      @AfterthymeGaming 4 месяца назад +5

      ​@@Geats-IXDo they all only consists of women or are men also part of the Nijisisters?

  • @MildlyOCD
    @MildlyOCD 4 месяца назад +26

    That last pun, more than anything else, is enough to warrant your cancelation.
    Jesus that was bad.

    • @AJarOfYams
      @AJarOfYams 4 месяца назад +3

      One could say it's... a liability

  • @garritsen3783
    @garritsen3783 4 месяца назад +5

    3:51 turn on CC subtitle, even after censored, "Holo*****" is still there lol

  • @Mikael_Ore
    @Mikael_Ore 4 месяца назад +9

    Yup this is a rare day indeed, loving it being this early.

  • @jakeyu2404
    @jakeyu2404 4 месяца назад +4

    Should've mentioned that mio fan that won the street fighter 6 tournament. The irony is almost poetic.

  • @theultramage
    @theultramage 4 месяца назад +2

    I came into hololive just right after the 'caust, having only watched Hana and a few of her colleagues up until then. I went into the youtube vods of the most recommended talents, looking for gameplay of some of my favorite games to have a common starting point. I was left really confused, because I only saw a few streams, and then a few old music videos, and that was it. It made me wonder if they all lived the twitch lifestyle where everything older than 2 weeks is deleted. It took me a while longer to realize what had really happened (either through reddit, comments under clips, or that holo schedule page that started showing those graphs).

  • @akumuryuu
    @akumuryuu 4 месяца назад +16

    What's up with shady Japanese companies using copyright striking as a means to blackmail/send a threat? Same happened with Niji striking False and Khyo. Copyright striking itself makes sense, but blackmail is kinda illegal. Admitting that they specifically targeted Hololive instead of just enforcing the rules is a massive self-report.

  • @osiris7127
    @osiris7127 4 месяца назад +15

    Its always darkest before the dawn.

    • @eriknurwahab2861
      @eriknurwahab2861 4 месяца назад

      allow me to complete it
      "don't close your eyes, so that you could see the new light rising"

    • @osiris7127
      @osiris7127 4 месяца назад +1

      @@eriknurwahab2861 allow me to complete it?
      That is an old phrase not a song lyric.

    • @eriknurwahab2861
      @eriknurwahab2861 4 месяца назад

      @@osiris7127 similar quote from Gintama in the end of Shogun Assassination arc,

    • @nawee242
      @nawee242 4 месяца назад

      Reminds me of the theme of Kuro no Kiseki/Trails through daybreak game.

  • @ConsNSG
    @ConsNSG 4 месяца назад +15

    Ah yes, the vodpocalypse

  • @Moon42069
    @Moon42069 4 месяца назад +1

    The trial and challenges that they had to go through and it what makes them one of the best agency today. Hololive has lived and strived.

  • @Osakarmakun
    @Osakarmakun 4 месяца назад +2

    But what I don't understand is that even if COVER has the permission of the companies, a lot of streams, for example, Choco's Sensei News segment, Mio's Pokemon Black, or HoloSummer 2019 are still private.

  • @crushingon
    @crushingon 4 месяца назад +24

    The trash taste crew being absolutely deadpan in some weird fucking outfits was quite the whiplash

    • @rhodesailant9728
      @rhodesailant9728 4 месяца назад +1

      I personally hate them as cc, but still respect them as normal human being

  • @saeukanoch.8166
    @saeukanoch.8166 4 месяца назад +1

    Still waiting for that gura in depth analysis video. I've been dying to wait and see for when that releases

  • @OneNintendoPlayer
    @OneNintendoPlayer 4 месяца назад +2

    I almost disliked because of that last joke. The reaction I had was visceral. Good job

  • @thelairofthedemongod
    @thelairofthedemongod 4 месяца назад +1

    I thought this was something from right now, so i checked Mio's twitter, she got sick, hospitalized, cancelled her thingy with Sakura Miko saying she doesn't want to do it again, but in may 8 she said that she was still alive and feeling better, or at least, recovering and thinking she will be back in a week or so... just to see it was something from 2020, when i had no idea of Hololive's existence, the only vtuber i know was Kizuna Ai and probably looking at some memes where Watame or Korone was

  • @chobitssofar
    @chobitssofar 4 месяца назад +1

    Ah I remember this and when Capcom admit that they do actually copyright strike Mio , I like "yep that how Japanese game company do". My friend who is streamer he and his wife do playthrough of Phoenix Wright got one strike from Capcom as well back in the day so he have to delete the VOD archive.

  • @HDeDeDe
    @HDeDeDe 4 месяца назад +1

    Outside of Kizuna AI, this event was my first exposure to the concept of vtubers.

  • @Superjohndoe8060
    @Superjohndoe8060 4 месяца назад +2

    Thanks for the video!!!

  • @choopins5370
    @choopins5370 4 месяца назад +3

    damn one minute ago, also its amazing how many things couldve gone wrong with holo

  • @sunggyulee9020
    @sunggyulee9020 2 месяца назад +2

    TBH, I think Capcom were just huge assholes regardless of how wrong cover was.
    In regular corporate scenarios, something like this would be handled privately with a cease-and-desist letter to Cover's lawyers. RUclips strikes were meant to be tools for smaller channels with no legal team to interact with the bigger corpos. Capcom sending 2 strikes onto Mio was just a power move. Anyone who has ever worked in corporates will know this was done in bad faith. Abusing a system that was not designed to be used in this manner.
    It is baffling to me that Hololive later decided to take on the Capcom sponsorship. I guess Cover was too young and didn't realize they got dick smacked by a bigger company.

  • @Cowslippoetry
    @Cowslippoetry 4 месяца назад +6

    Oh I remember this incident. Seems like ages ago, but the outrage was definitely memorable. From my own recollection, the lion's share of bile was spat not at Cover or even Capcom (the talents thankfully escaped any backlash, as this was certainly none of their fault) but at RUclips's busted ass copyright strike system that allows for no creator flexibility, especially now that it's being mostly managed by a schizo algorithm. Louis Rossman sums it up perfectly: "It's like dealing with an AI with a personality disorder, you have no idea what this thing is going to do".
    On a related note, as much as Cover has learned, they still get the occasional bop. I just found out Nerizzler's Lilium cover got axed. Seeing that hole in my Advent playlist will always bug me.

    • @arizeta3540
      @arizeta3540 4 месяца назад +2

      Anya ID gets copyright strike from Anya JP 🤣 RUclips is crazy

  • @risktorise2103
    @risktorise2103 4 месяца назад +5

    Hololive learn to be better, and they thrive today. If only Niji learn to do so,then more opportunities for vtuber. Sio far I heard more vtuber agency make effort to treat talents better. Hope they succeed.

  • @doctjoe
    @doctjoe 2 месяца назад

    Didn't Nintendo do it first like half a year before, and it was the fact that Capcom *also* went for it that made Cover go like "oh frick everyone else might come for our ass, just private everything!"

  • @ThePrastomo
    @ThePrastomo 4 месяца назад +2

    This is a reminder that every company could rise from their ashes and deserved second and third chance.
    .
    But some just fucked their sixth chance.

    • @jinwood
      @jinwood 4 месяца назад +1

      Except nijisanji

    • @piotr004
      @piotr004 Месяц назад

      If you can choose Any Color, but you constantly choose only Black, no wonder you are Kurosanji.

  • @gutiwalravens
    @gutiwalravens 4 месяца назад +1

    saying that the copyrights laws in japan are tight is an understatement

  • @Snakedude4life
    @Snakedude4life 4 месяца назад +11

    Japan and the non-existent fair use.
    🎩
    🐍 no step on snek!🇺🇸🇭🇰

    • @TheShiningEnergy
      @TheShiningEnergy 4 месяца назад +2

      someone should teach them about it.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 4 месяца назад

      ​@@TheShiningEnergy Sure. Just gotta remove any freedom of speech or elective power from the entire Japanese population aged 60 and up. Good luck.

    • @Tamachii12
      @Tamachii12 4 месяца назад +1

      @@TheShiningEnergy It is a waste of time, all the politicians here tries to appeal to old people that have zero understanding about tech and they themselves are such people, the mentality here is that if you're exceptional, you'll be dragged down to a mediocre level, or the nail that sticks will get hammered down, that's one of many reasons Japan is losing edge in many fields.

  • @ErmaPula
    @ErmaPula 4 месяца назад +1

    Completely out of topic question: there are new paintings in minecraft, will you add some of them to the background?

  • @TheRealVordox
    @TheRealVordox 4 месяца назад

    About Subaru deleted vods, fans asked Cover if they wanted the vods back, after a year or so these vods were brought back to Subaru from fans.

  • @Des_kun4033
    @Des_kun4033 4 месяца назад +1

    Damn those were the days, glad were here now

  • @Khashmonet
    @Khashmonet 4 месяца назад +1

    I've been a fan since JP gen 3. How am I just now learning about this?

  • @strippinheat
    @strippinheat 4 месяца назад +2

    Capcom owes a lot to Hololive and other streamers. SF6 wouldn't be nearly as successful if not for the streamer tournaments. To think they now profit off of the people they tried to destroy. Fuck Capcom.

    • @piotr004
      @piotr004 Месяц назад

      Exactly. Fuck Capcom.

  • @iShiinz
    @iShiinz 4 месяца назад +1

    4:27 jesus that marine art

    • @fernygonzalez4010
      @fernygonzalez4010 4 месяца назад

      I know the who the Twitter artist is and I regret knowing that

  • @imanyanemoirchan133
    @imanyanemoirchan133 2 месяца назад

    yuki is back.

  • @qizeaqfile
    @qizeaqfile 4 месяца назад +1

    People need to understand Hololive/Cover still never able to get "monetizable permission" on any Fromsoftware Games(Elden Ring,Sekiro,Dark Souls) They can play their games but no superchats or ads allowed. Yes, they gets no money(except for membership) every time they played Fromsoftware Games.

  • @KB_13247
    @KB_13247 4 месяца назад +2

    people blaming hololive for this is pretty stupid. like it was thought that streaming games was fine back then. capcom purposefully made a big deal out of this in an effort to get the laws and rules down in japan, especially with japan already being since a business friendly nation. with vtubing being new capcom knew they could shit on hololive and the courts would back them. it's not all that surprising to anyone who's ever been a part of any fan made anything related to capcom. they always shut shit down, hell before they officially started sponsoring EVO, capcom tried to shut evo down before it was evo. they just didn't have any legal means to do it since all of those tourneys were held in america.

  • @western_gunner
    @western_gunner 4 месяца назад

    Sadly the Animal Crossing VOD from 2020s also lost, it was a lot of fun since it was the main Switch game during Covid Era, so many contents lost there.

  • @johncrang7026
    @johncrang7026 4 месяца назад

    It did got other games mainstreamed though, thankfully there are a lot of good indie games out there like chilla's art

  • @tigeryo8943
    @tigeryo8943 3 месяца назад

    i remember around this time nijisanji agreed on a deal with nintendo regarding game permissions and sasaki came back from retirement, hence there were many comments like why cant hololive be competent like nijisanji...
    its a bit crazy and ironic talking about this now, but im glad holo learnt from their mistakes

  • @decscuro
    @decscuro 4 месяца назад +8

    Crapcom being Crapcom, maybe you're not wrong about how the Holo management was kinda incompetent in that era, but the way Crapcom act was just malicious, like I understand that their IP and blah blah blah, but that doesn't justify that instead of having a discussion with Cover on how to solve the problem, like it should have been. but not, instead of that they chose violence and started to copyright strike Mio's channel. To me, both parties were incompetent in how they handled the situation.

  • @Lexus7226
    @Lexus7226 3 месяца назад

    One of the many instances:
    Yagoo: I want Hololive to be like Disney.
    Capcom: Better get your big boy pants if you want to stay.

  • @MBrandr
    @MBrandr 4 месяца назад

    I'm so happy that in the end, Hololive managed to mostly reCOVER from that mess.

  • @HowardAltEisen
    @HowardAltEisen 4 месяца назад +1

    Wait, the "grey" in the chart is what was removed? DN, the colors there are green and pink - are you slightly colorblind?

  • @shinodamasaru7945
    @shinodamasaru7945 4 месяца назад +1

    i was there. supposed to watch Miko's COD MW2 (og). then, this happened.

    • @damasake
      @damasake 4 месяца назад +1

      Mw2 is american, unless localizer is also a japanese publisher.

    • @shinodamasaru7945
      @shinodamasaru7945 4 месяца назад

      @@damasake might be the localizer issue. i cant find the vid (maybe im blind). because, when miko tries the airport mission, she cant sh*ot the civs.

  • @v.valclodi8311
    @v.valclodi8311 4 месяца назад +1

    alr grandpa, time to go back to bed

  • @OverLord3693
    @OverLord3693 4 месяца назад

    The day hololive became Thanos. it's so strange that they didn't have hard perm for almost 90 percent of the VODs that their talent produced.

  • @nestorgraciano3316
    @nestorgraciano3316 4 месяца назад +1

    The world will be a better place without copyright 😒

  • @danyDarkneo
    @danyDarkneo 4 месяца назад +1

    what a fucking coincidence.
    She is in hospital now.

  • @muhammadamarzarkafar2216
    @muhammadamarzarkafar2216 4 месяца назад

    Ah yeah, the Holo apocalypse, the most monumental arc during early hololive

  • @nyu1425
    @nyu1425 4 месяца назад

    I think aside from the fact that the game companies are sucks, there's also how even hololive is still learning how to do things yeah it's been years since the agency started but they probably didn't know how such companies decide who to copyright and lastly some people maybe antis were making big deals out of this incident too...

  • @ShiranuiLoki
    @ShiranuiLoki 4 месяца назад

    Permission is important and especially important to have them in Black and White and Signed by both Party. Because fine and jail time is the worst that could have happen.

  • @zanard33
    @zanard33 4 месяца назад

    All Yagoo needs to do is to create his own YT and he'll have an easier time defending his talents from copyright vultures.

  • @c-puff
    @c-puff 4 месяца назад

    Wait so WHY can Capcom just strike people for doing Let's Plays of their games???????? THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS?????

  • @LordAshura
    @LordAshura 4 месяца назад +1

    Japanese laws are also a reason why beside Luna, Hololive has not taken in a single Nijisanji Talent after they leave.
    Hololive must be vigilant when dealing with the law after the horrific experience with the demonization apocalpse.

    • @puhanlemontian6026
      @puhanlemontian6026 4 месяца назад +1

      i think taking talents from other agencies have nothing to do with laws, holo also took people from other corpo, like laplus was from ReAct, bae was from myholotv. i think there is a mutual understanding between niji and holo as the two giants in the industry to not take former talents, so no pouching, talents can't just move to the other company, so these two don't fight over talents, from a company's pov, it's mutually beneficial, otherwise an exodus of talents would be detrimental.

    • @gillettedave
      @gillettedave 4 месяца назад

      I highly doubt cover would need to worry about talents jumping to ninji

  • @thelastwindwaker7948
    @thelastwindwaker7948 4 месяца назад

    3:57 Not surprised to see HoloID go relatively unscathed. Risu especially almost never plays mainstream games.

    • @hohens7118
      @hohens7118 4 месяца назад

      Well, that and it hadn't been that long since their debut so they didn't have that many videos to remove anyway.

    • @thelastwindwaker7948
      @thelastwindwaker7948 4 месяца назад

      @@hohens7118 That too. When I saw that this happened in 2020 that dawned on me. I didn't start watching them until after all of this happened.

  • @DelphinSquared
    @DelphinSquared 4 месяца назад

    Makes Me wonder with the surge of MonHun streams that happened recently.

    • @Cunny_Lord
      @Cunny_Lord 4 месяца назад

      The permissions have finally been granted
      No one can suppress the chuubas urge to monster hunter anymore

    • @DelphinSquared
      @DelphinSquared 4 месяца назад

      @@Cunny_Lord Until Capcom says no again.

  • @TheOmniBlade
    @TheOmniBlade 4 месяца назад +1

    This drama can only happen because it was JP based because of the lack of fair use. If this happened in EN, not a soul would be blaming management and to this day “perms” are absolutely moronic, but so is the Japanese legal system when it comes to these matters

    • @theultramage
      @theultramage 4 месяца назад +2

      TLDR: There's no way in hell that ordinary gameplay streams will ever qualify under US fair use law.
      'Fair use' is a concept in USA copyright legislature, a den of scum and villainy and corporate lobbying. It is super strict and narrow, makes no guarantees, and requires to be tested in court on a case-by-case basis. Somehow, the people have been deceived to think that it gives you freedom to do anything - either through propaganda by the media, or through content pirates lying to themselves and their audience.
      To qualify for fair use of someone else's copyrighted content without a license, you need to meet several criteria developed by decades of case law, and then hire a copyright specialist attorney (very expensive) and go to court and convince a judge that you either fit within existing case law, or establish a new precedent for your case. If you lose the case, you will suffer incredible penalties and fees. And if you don't go to court, you will not be legally safe doing whatever it is you are doing.
      Some criteria include:
      - Does your thing act as a substitute for the original work? A full or partial playthrough of a story game would. A playthrough of a mechanics-heavy game might.
      - Does your thing's existence compete with / cause a loss of revenue for the copyright holder? There is an argument that what you're doing is 'free advertising' and it'll actually benefir them. Good luck arguing that in court though, unless you have real world data to back it up.
      - Is the content 'transformative'? If you're doing a philosophical / artistic analysis of a game/movie, then kinda, yeah. If you're just playing it and the only thing added is your on-the-fly commentary and reactions, then that's probably not enough.
      - What is the purpose of your use? For vtubers, it is most likely just to have something to enterntain the audience with and add variety. The choice of game doesn't really matter. This is an instant fail of the test.

  • @saltedonion
    @saltedonion 4 месяца назад +1

    The 9/11 of hololive

  • @125discipline2
    @125discipline2 4 месяца назад

    miko's gamer word comes to mind

  • @alvintollah
    @alvintollah 4 месяца назад

    Boy, the world would be a whole lot different if Hololive doesn't survive. And I don't want to imagine living in such timeline.

  • @animtok
    @animtok 4 месяца назад

    Oh man, I remembered the day it happened, it was scary times

  • @fumarc4501
    @fumarc4501 4 месяца назад

    2:34 that was hilarious.

  • @_brutalista
    @_brutalista 2 месяца назад

    What a surprise. A Japanese Video Game publisher being extremely protective of their IP to the detriment of anything else.
    Ain't that fun. Totally fun.

  • @Fender178
    @Fender178 4 месяца назад

    This is one reason reason why being an Indie VTuber or a VTuber who is part of an Agency who is in a country that has a fair use doctrine/laws will always be better than be better than being one that is in Japan because you don't have to deal with this nonsense. Maybe VShojo has to deal with this despite them being an American company since they are popular.

  • @seneca983
    @seneca983 3 месяца назад

    0:25 Who's that vtuber? Is it AZKi or someone else?