How Mental Illness Became "Cute" and "Sexy"
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On the topic of Acheron, is it odd that whenever I look at her Alt. form, I picture Dante from Devil May Cry?
Also, word of advice to anyone who wants to "fix" their favorite menhera character, JUST LET HER BE AN EMO!!!
@@rocvan8190 Well, check your wallet after a couple of months playing and you will know why
Oh man, I hate Pay To Win, Free To Suffer games.
Meanwhile, fans of a certain green necromancer:
*“It wasn't an act boys, she was actually mentally ill.”*
Batshit insane 😂
They call her "Amber Heard of vtubing".
@@inquisitorichijou883 I think I'm as blind as a bat but who tf is she
@@Embersofthedark You ever heard of Uruha Rushia? Or Mikeneko?
@@inquisitorichijou883 It is not a story the Holo-council would tell you.
The "BUY BUY BUY/ SELL SELL SELL" voice of Parrot will forever be funny for me and will live rent free in my head lmao
It's definitely near iconic status at minimum
the random scream in the background is what really SELLs it for me.
The parrot's voice itself is meme worthy
I knew a girl with such severe abandonment issues that her reaction to her boyfriend breaking up with her was to bite him into submission and lock him inside the bedroom, then she called me to try to "talk sense into him." I helped him get out instead. So, trust me when I say mentally ill and abusive people need PROFESSIONAL help. It is not your job to "fix" them, nor is it in your best interest to try. Please, for your sake, discard any and all fantasies you may have about being the one who will heal someone who is severely ill, or being the object of their obsessions. Take care of yourself, stay safe, and seek healthy relationships.
it requires money, do you have to pay to fix her Illness? 🤣
Damn, that should've been me not him!!!! But fr tho, it's sad when people are actually like that irl, but as i am now i kinda don't mind, atleast she wouldn't cheat on me. I hope...
@@capperbunsbro you got some fixing to do for urself!!! hang in there
@@capperbunsi cant fix you
boy if she aint like this I don't want her. Gotta spice up life with shenanigans afterall
I've heard that in 19th century tuberculosis was considered romantic and aesthetic. It was associated with pale and weak aristocratic women, so many poets dreamed of dying from that illness
Thats crazy
Okita Nozomi from the Rance game series is exactly this.
"Despite the cough cough disease being easily curable, a group of Hannies who consider her poor health to be "moe" conspire to keep her sick by murdering doctors who offer to cure her, buying out all the medicine in town when she goes to seek a cure, and forcing her to go hiking up mountains."
It was called consumption and Lord Byron actually said he wanted to die from it
It seems like it's in our history, too.
@@shibomi1 lmao, good old Rance games!
As someone peripherally involved with menhera culture/the subcultures surrounding it, I’ve come to realize that, for a lot of girls and women, it’s a way to romanticize, dramatize, and almost justify difficult emotions and states of mind.
It’s easy to define yourself and create an outward identity based on your mental illness- it’s something you experience to varying degrees on a daily basis, and really, it is an intrinsic part of you. Making it into something cutesy, desirable, and relatable is a way to sort of incorporate it into your life in a more outwardly appealing way.
Because it’s also an external and ‘fashionable’ expression of these things, it also serves as a sort of cry for help and needed attention- often times resulting in this self-sexualization and internal need to be viewed as desirable.
It’s a really complex topic that’s shown up in a lot of different ways for a lot longer than you’d expect (consider the emo/scene subculture that took off in the West during the early 2000s), and it’s hard to say whether or not it’s simply a harmless coping mechanism or something that can have profoundly negative effects on the way a woman views herself.
I’ve seen this happen to other girls as well with things like self harm, risky sexual behavior, drug abuse, self isolation, etc. When you aestheticize self-destruction, you begin to treat suffering as a way of life rather than an undesirable experience which can be put into remission or overcame.
For me, personally, one of the specific ways I delved into the subculture was through the pro-eating disorder side of the menhera aesthetic. It allowed me to glamorize my suffering and habits as something that made me a tragic, sexy, broken, manic pixie dream girl. I felt like getting help would make me lose this intrinsic part of myself that made me a hot, quirky irl anime girl. Ultimately, though, the pain this has caused me and all of the moments I’ve lost because of it outweigh the short catharsis of taking hot post-cry selfies with smeared mascara and posting anime girl th!nspo.
I promise recovery is worth much more than the smoke and mirrors of this alternate reality we’ve built ourselves to make suffering feel more compartmentalized and comfortable. Cope, but don’t embrace.
"Cope but dont embrace," a solid philosophy. Hope you're doing better
Wow, It must be hard to admit this especially the part of quirky anime girl irl. I'm glad you acknowledge it yourself, it's the biggest step to grow as a person to realize the part that need fixing on yourself.😊
@@vincenttorrijos9680Thanks so much for the kind words and well wishes :) But yeah, I think it’s definitely an easy trap to fall into, and it shows up in a lot of different ways. I think becoming too comfortable with your own suffering can be a devastating pitfall- but it’s definitely escapable with enough self-awareness and the right kind of help.
@@kiribonkers752Thanks so much! :) And you’re definitely right- it’s coming to the realization that there’s an issue in the way you’re coping with something (especially when it involves an intrinsic part of your identity, like the aesthetics and subcultures you participate in) that’s one of the most difficult parts of recovery. I’m still working on it myself, but I think it’s definitely going to be worth it to come out the other side, though.
Ima be honest as a guy that in a very weird way is the same….this comment is a absolute W. I sorta needed this emotionally at the moment but that aside you speak with wisdom of your experiences and feelings even if it may not feel like that to you. The cope but dont embrace hits especially hard so instead of damping my mood with self loathing and self hate over the things i have messed up again im gonna go poke a friend and have a laugh so i can fight life with a smile
Bro forgot Honkai Star Rail counts as menhera so he decided to add it to the reupload LMAO
Bro got sponsored by a mentally ill gacha game company
To be fair, HSR has a few menharas in-game
To be honest, the random "Download Honkai Star Rail" at the end without any context was pretty damn funny
DN willing to mispresent Honkai Star rail as Menhera game just to get extra buck
Weren't some of the Nihility members fit the Menhera category, tho??? 😂🤣
"...And though most people would have given up, only one thought crossed my deranged mind: "I can fix her.""
- The greatest technician that's ever lived
Salem Weebsperts
The irony is that you can not fix her.
Oh shit a crossover
With your mom's toothbrush and his tiny raccoon-like fingers, he can achieve anything.
Bro forgot to include the sponsor in the OG vid lol
Novellites when they discover Shiori is actually sane despite her appearance: 😭
Bit of a shame. Of course this is because the Vtubers don't choose their model but I would love to see her in particular go off the rails considering how good the design is
@@billclintonsmagicbeefarmSometimes the contrast is pretty funny, though. As a Dead Beat, I love how Calli is only a sexy edgelord in appearance, when in reality she flips between being an adorkable spaz and a chill big sister-type. 😂
Early Novelites discovering Shiori is an Autistic Emo, not a Schitzo/Bipolar Emo: 😡😡😡
@@billclintonsmagicbeefarm Someone being mentally stable and healthy is "a shame"? Are you actually deranged or smth?
I'll forever laugh at the idea that people think Shiori is the poster-child of menheras when every interaction I've seen of her on the bird app has only been kind to random people of her community. Unless she's doing GFE on the side, I wouldn't know why people believe she's one of the people of Michael Gato's caliber.
honestly i thought of lia when i saw the title
It's the model, that's all there is to it. People take one look at her, and that's it, they've now drawn their conclusions.
It's the same IRL, you look a certain way, that means you are X. Good luck beating those allegations. People make up some wild shit in their heads about others without knowing anything about them all the time, and once they made their mind about someone, they will ignore everything even if it flat out proves them wrong in the most obvious way.
Well she's a menhera, but of the quirky girl type, we dunno if she has some kind if stuff like autism or adhd, but even if she doesn't she fits that category fo the trope no matter if it's just a character ot she's just that quirky and dorky.
I wouldn't say Shiori is deranged as people likes to portray her, but I wouldn't doubt her having some sort of mental condition either
@@Ms666slayer
Yeaa she a menhera but of the turbo autism type.
Shiori MODEL is the flagship of what people imagine whe ln they imagine Menhera but in reality she has been a bundle of joy when i see her streams and to be fair the model doesnt determine the person
Great video DN honestly we where expecting it for a while now and it didn't disappointed great job
Also StarRail sponsor ayo? 👀 our boy is back on business
Agree in reality Shiori isn't menhera at all. The real menhera icon is Rushia.
Yeah she's a total sweetie. She's weird but like a healthy amount of weird
I think you've brainwashed yourself into thinking that Shiorin is wholesome. Is she not bat shit insane every second yes. But she is in no way a sweetie, that girl has some serious problems
@@einrin.Turns out she's just actually mentally ill😔
@@YayaFeiLong she's definitely super out there but it's all stuff thts just quirky or kinda outta there like eating with scissors and shit but it's all harmless thts the difference there's weird but harmless and chill then there's weird and literally a threat one is shiori the other is Rushia
Honestly, I've gotten exposed to so much unhinged shit that vanilla is looking like the exotic, more interesting option.
This. Plus when the shock effect of deranged stuff ends - you realize that most of them are just cover up for a total creative impotence, like shitty jump-scare horror.
Also it is hilarious how vanilla became somewhat non-conformistic, everyone today is into unhinged stuff and not many - for vanilla xD
No because like at the end of the day, I come back to vanilla
We must devolve back to solve the issue it seems
you're traumatized dude
I haven't Watched a Vanilla video in awhile tbh 😂
DN: "Shiori is extremely attractive"
Me and every other Novelite: " You god damn right she is"
I think Novelites would start an uprising for such an understatement... if we weren't so down bad for her
Shiori doesnt have fans, she has cultists.
@@ChaosAngel667and cultists worship 24/7
@@Embersofthedark how to sign up?
i can smell the reddit stench exuding from yall
i think a lot of girls who are into this sort of fashion like it as a way of expressing themselves rather than to hide mental illness. for a lot of us it feels good to be open about those feelings while still being cute both because being cute feels nice and we like cute things. it’s kind of comforting to be honest and also to find good or appealing parts of these problems because we already have to live with them. for me personally there’s a big difference between menheras basically with and without empathy so i relate to the ones with it and love them a lot, but the ones without it are just scary to me. the same actions and feelings can exist with both types but it’s cute when it comes from a good place and really disturbing when it comes from a bad one i think.
for me personally its 100% just to express myself! when i was at my worst mentally it was always nice to have a healthy way of expressing emotions you normally are told to keep hidden. that aside, it really bothers me seeing people thirst over people having disorders or use the whole yami kawaii or menhera "aesthetic" without knowing why it exists in the first place and start to think being unstable is cute. if the people who romanticize or even fetishize our struggles could live a day in our place maybe theyd come to the realization that having psychosis and severe suicidal episodes are a real struggle many people deal with and shouldnt be seen as fun.
@@f15hed mhmm i don’t know how i feel about it myself (though i’m pretty strong on fiction is fiction and is best thought of as not reality even if it can influence it). as such, idm people simping for menhera anime characters at all really (it would also be hypocritical honestly), but for real people it’s definitely a bit off-putting. it’s hard because if i could trade to be a normal person i probably would, but i’d be really scared of losing everything about myself since i don’t even remember a time before it and i can see the interesting and valuable parts to being this way sometimes too. in that sense i can understand why people who don’t suffer with it might want to take part seeing those ‘valuable’ aspects, but i think they will realise growing up that it is really really not a fun thing to suffer regularly so much. more than anything, i’d like if people stopped viewing mentally unstable girls as inherently evil and manipulative since i think a lot of us are trying our best just to live and are taking everything out on ourselves (ofc if your partner is abusing you but is also mentally ill, they’re still a nasty person. you don’t deserve that treatment and you shouldn’t forgive it on the basis of mental illness).
also really hope you’re doing okay and stay strong since it is a really tough world sometimes! i’m glad you’re no longer at your worst mentally ♡♥︎♡
But others won't really see a difference, a certain way of acting is enough to put people off
I assure you, plenty of women have their own "hear me out" moments.
The Tumblr Sexyman are proof of that.
Rushia, Nazuna, and Mikeneko are the holy Trinity of menhera.
... But they're the same person
@@NinaMarieNPianoKeys ;)
>Holy Trinity
You got me there.
Not if she's actually schizophrenic
You're kind of there in explaining the Holy Trinity in the context of Vtuber...well done I think
Shiori expectations: goth gf sadistic menhera.
Shiori reality: "If your butt be itchy in the middle of the night
OH BOY!
You got the pinworms~ (8)"
*followed by laughter*
You forgot to mention the actual origin of menhera and its movement in Japan.
Menhera is/was used as a more negative term by people in Japan to describe someone that is open about mental health, a "Mentalhealther" (that's also where the term stems from). In a society that doesn't want to talk about mental illnesses this movement grew especially in younger generations that indulge in pop-culture. It is not originated from anime itself but it's more like it used it as a medium (the manga of Menhera-chan for example)
Menhera people use these elements associated with illness to kind of normalize the presence of mental illness itself like bandaids, pills, syringes etc. I myself got invested in the movement a few years ago surely also because the opposites of cute and brutal speak to me but more importantly because I suffer from mental illnesses myself and try to be an advocate for open discussion about mental illnesses/health.
If I wear my menhera stuff people tend to be curious and I think it is important to practice exposure to certain topics in order for people to become more comfortable for it to be around - in this case the existence of mental illnesses. Luckily where I am from, people aren't as reserved and more like praise me for talking openly about my illnesses compared to Japan but there is still work to be done - globally.
It is sad that it appears to be perceived as a trend and a way to categorize attractiveness in characters... I get the appeal but I want to emphasize the important origin of menhera.
As someone who's Neurodivergent and had mental struggles and trauma, it's nothing to romanticize and if you were to date one, be prepared for your patience to be tested. However, in when it's romanticized in Fictional Media, it feels endearing and makes us feel less of a burden in society. Sometimes I do my best to mask my mental instability but many times I'm like fuck it and let loose without giving a shit.
I used to hide the fact that i was autistic and adhd but one day i snapped at one of my friends for thinking retarded and autistic are the same thing. ive always been blessed with mild autism that just makes me lock in on things i really care about and doesn't impede my ability to talk to people to badly so when i told my friends i'd known for about two years who currently believed that autism and retardation were at least adjacent they were shocked. I was pleasantly surprised when none of my friends cared and if anything were more understanding of my situation and would just kinda give me a pass if i was acting strange
I'd rather be called "cute" and "sexy" than "weird" and "why can't you be normal you'll never amount to anything in your life if you can't even x"
Damn, my man getting sponsored by HSR? Nice, get those gacha bucks! 👏
I think that maybe a lot of people use jirai kei as a way to hide their illness, but I also think that myself and others use it as a way to cope instead! It's nice to be able to be cute and enjoy cute things, and it's something that brings happiness when you're dealing with a lot of other issues. The jirai kei community is a little bit all over the place but, a lot of the people that I've met who are apart of it are actually quite kind (though there are a lot of bad apples too). I think the combination of the dark themes with the cute aesthetic isn't really meant to be a trap or mess with other people, but rather "I can still be cute even if I have problems". I think it's more like a coincidence, the people who have issues with their mental health happened to be drawn to a certain type of fashion and over time it became a community through the shared struggles and interests.
I wonder if the same can be said for men, I personally am cognizant of my attraction to women that are dangerous to my health. I don't want to fix her, part of why I'm attracted to broken people is because I feel broken and hope that they could maybe understand better.. at the same time I have worked on bettering myself and know that odds are those kinds of girls are potentially dangerous to themselves and probably should be avoided. I want to be compassionate to someone who needs extra help in life, but I don't want to be hurt again like I have in the past..
@@BakaPope I think it's important to remember everyone is different and not to generalize! I don't think it's a good idea to put yourself in harms way, but I also know that mental illness is a very broad term and what people experience on a day to day basis can be drastically different. There's also a small group of guys within the jirai kei community but many of them are in Japan, so it's not really a style that only women can enjoy or a community that only women can be apart of, if that's what you meant! I'm not really good at giving advice or something but I think it's good if you just remember that you can be there for people, but at the end of the day it's their responsibility to get better, and if they don't then that's a problem with them not you!
@@riripill I do actively work on not generalizing people, if can't then I at least recognize that I'm doing it and try to do better.
Two words: PHASE CONNECT! Although Shiori from HoloAdvent also counts
Shiori is what hololive need to mimic a fraction of Phase Connect power
Fishman's strategy of kidnapping a mental asylum and putting it on the Internet remains unbeaten
They intimidate the hell out of me. I’ve got a bit of a crush on Tenma, but there’s no way I could handle here. She could flay me to pieces in seconds
Tenma, pippa and the unoffical member kirsha are my favs
@@dextokuyasuweakling.
Shiori my beloved
Even if shes not that menhera crazy her gentle and sweet personality got me
Shes not menhera shes just unhinged and its perfect
Oh no she is the quirky lmao
Her intrusive toughts are too powerfull
Indeed comrade she’s Perfect as the way she is,doesn’t need to be fixed at all OUR MOE vtuber
@@thanupongchiraoranpat774I’m also a big fan of MOE vtubers.
Shiori is a gem, beforehand I’d only seen a few Holo streams over 3+ years, now I’m binging all her vids.
On a serious note i think you did a great job at also explaining the real life problem. Nowadays being just normal and content isnt enough. It always need to be extreme and stimulating. And thats a bad direction we are heading into. You are right that there are truly people in need and that their problems are being idealised. People need to distinct fiction from reality more. Nice video!
Idealizing or fetishizing someone else's problems is as old as time -- as old as the heroic narratives of ancient times. Sure, if you were a Greek being regaled with tales of the Trojan war, it sounded really romantic, full of manly derring-do...less so if you were an actual Greek soldier fighting the war. FAR less so if you were a Trojan on the losing side, haha.
But people love to hear and to tell the stories. That's why we still do it, thousands of years later, long after all the Trojans have vanished. In the final analysis, the fact that they were fetishized so hard is the only reason they're remembered at all, lo these eons later.
As a diagnosed and long term mentally ill person, everyone pretending to be ill because its fashionable makes me paranoidally doubt myself, basically giving me like a mental illness imposter syndrome.
Please stop. My brain being fucked is actively ruining my life and having doubts if I didn't just make up my problems really aint helpin.
>Instead of claming i've got a made up illness for free, I get somebody who makes money if he clams i've got made up mental illnesses 🧠💯
LMAO EVEN.
>My brain being fucked is actively ruining my life
That's a you issue, you're doing it to yourself. Stop trying to drown (please stop YOU from the exterior who is not ME) others but yourself.
>having doubts if I didn't just make up my problems really aint helpin.
Wow so you have doubts, like a functional human, you're not fully gone. You have doubts because your instincts tell you something is sussy.
Stop your 'you have to behave how i want you to behave otherwise i'm going to cry'
It's sad especially when you can't even tell if the people on the internet are just pretending or are actually mentally ill people and it's just the culture or modern medicine being a lot better at diagnosing them so that's why there's a massive increase in diagnosed patients.
Cause when I was a kid I wasn't diagnosed and was just thought to be a hyper active kid now that I am an adult I was diagnosed by my new doctor to have ADHD.
Well as perhaps the only person who doesn't part take in such actions i can only view this Menhera trend with abject horror. though I'm not really sure if you can still call me sane after the global pandemic 4 years ago. Lord know society at large is still feeling the fall out of everyone being trapped in their homes, as people's collective mental health declined as time went on. I'm not even sure today if people are just pretending to be mentality ill online or that society has just become mentality ill.
It's over schizo bros, the voices won.
Blame the internet (minors most of the time) turning serious topics into fads and whole ass personalities bro
"BUY BUY BUY" even not in his channel and I can hear it perfectly
Grande parrot
Perhaps idol stocks rise and fall but parrot is going to the moon.
id never thougt that ive would see a video of u talking about menhera and jiraikei lol, i just can say RELATABLE LMAO
Let me put my two cents as an actual menhera. I have been diagnosed with severe depression and schizoaffective disorder....
What we, actual menheras, don't like are those who are not doing the bare minimum to control their mental disorders and pass them off as excuses for their bad behaviour, not causes.
We also hate those who are FAKING mental illnesses. Several Tiktokers did this and many claim those who are neurotypical cannot take us seriously anymore because now they will doubt if we are actually ill or not.
Some menheras actually do consume menheras content, MALE AND FEMALE, because we RELATE to it. We feel lonely sometimes so when we see a fellow menhera who shares a story we have or do some "quirk" we do while we're mentally ill, we say "that's me fr," and that takes away the loneliness even if it's just for a while.
Just depressed and neurotic with adhd and autism count as menhera?
If so that would explain my love for Shiori.
@@whoareyouwhoamidoesitmatte2726 Yup Mental healther/menhera means those with mental illnesses. ADHD and autism are neurodivergent disorders which count too.
@@sakiamiraGood to know
Yeah i have depression and social anxiety and adhd and im bisexual and im autistic
@@BASEDHITLORLOVER14n88 I’m Aro/Ace
It’s hilarious how people love these tropes yet when a person exhibits these behaviours no one wants to befriend / love them. I’ve always struggled with friendships and hadn’t experienced a relationship. I hate how my existence is fetishised because I have autism too. I hate how men perceive women sometimes, it’s so shallow. Yes, male loneliness exist, but along with lonely men comes with female loneliness.
Some women also do the exact same thing, fetishizing mental illness. You're just unable to empathize with men and are projecting all of your personal failings and experiences onto men.
It's so weird to be mad specifically about male loneliness because you are also lonely. There are better ways to get attention then pulling others down.
Have you considered that the problem is loneliness in general? Or the people around you that fetishize it?
@@sleep3417 I never mentioned that women don’t do the same. I know well that they do the same. I’m not going to empathise with the men who fetishise mental illnesses. And yes, everyone experiences loneliness. I’m not mad at male loneliness.
@@sleep3417where did they mention they were mad about male loneliness? they didn't/aren't trying to invalidate male loneliness, they're simply stating that alongside male loneliness is a loneliness that accompanies a vast majority of people, including women. what they said in their comment was that they hated that their mental disorder was being fetishized. they didn't say that this was caused by male loneliness either, and they definitely didn't say they were mad at male loneliness.
@@sleep3417 your reply is seriously pointless
"It’s hilarious how people love these tropes yet when a person exhibits these behaviours no one wants to befriend / love them."
Well to be fair, the entertainment industry is darwinism for cognitive maladies. Only the most charismatic asylum-needers end up in the spotlight. People who have those traits but are awkward, have difficulty expressing themselves, or just don't have "instinctual cuteness" never make it past the door.
Secondly, I know several women with serious mental issues who have boyfriends they are in long-term committed relationships with, meanwhile perfectly normal dudes I know have zero hope and chance of ever finding anyone, so your story smells like you just friendzoned the guys who were actually interested in you and are pining after men that are out of your league.
TL:DR: Its cool as a fantasy/persona like how people love Yanderes, but like most fantasies, it falls of HARD once it becomes real.
you frogot to include the sponsorship part in the first upload didnt you?
teehee
Bro rats DN out =)))))))
Goddammit DN, the Parrot SELL SELL SELL choked me 😂😂😂😂😂
Me: BUY BUY BUY BUY
(Random screaming)
Good job going into the ways that menheras in the vtuber community are just a product of a much larger trend and issue, didn't expect to find you citing an academic source, but hey, first for everything
"Scott Pilgrim vs. the World Ruined a Whole Generation of Women" - Negative XP
My best guess is that it's attractive for people who are feeling cornered by expectations and lack of options. They see themselves as losers and not worthy of love, but crave for it regardless and thus, a damaged GF or BF could feel so fitting. Plus, a wildcard who helps them release pent up urges and encourages them to go new paths is definitely another aspect.
I love menheras, I love femcels and girlfailures, because they feel do relatable, I want to make her feel better while she makes me feel better, I have a huge thing for helping others because I was abused a bit as a child
I hate things that resemble myself 😂😂😊
Damn nousagi forgot the sponser haha, i'll paste what i said in the first upload.
Great video. this defintley helped me solidify that menhera comes more in variety than just one. I would like to share my outlook on menhera as an artist that discovered the trope and learned one of its message mainly through fashion. a message that nousagi briefly mentions towards the end.
At around 22:23 he metions about how girls could find it relatable and be confident with themself. The way I discovered menhera was through fashion since when drawing characters or the outfits for them i research many fashion styles and get a feel for it, mainly more darker types like punk, goth, gothic lolita since this is the stuff i associtate myself with. i found menhera would be combined with them quite often aswell was the yami kawaii and harujuku style and decided to delve into it. I found menhera chan through research but not the black hoodie one but infact a magical girl seen at 14:21 created by Bisuko Ezaki. This character lead me to learning that the way they fashion stuff like bandages, fake blood, pale skin, razors and other hospital inspired accessories was them showcasing thier mental illnesses, make people more aware of it since in the east mental health is still not talked about there and usually gets ignored.
Them forming a fashion style around thier health just so people would take notice, I found it to be quite powerful. I would say though this aspect of menhera does unfortunatly gets lost in translation here as people are more focused on the personalities that menhera bring which this whole video talks about.
I know this comment is like an essay but i wanted to get my outlook across about a part of menhera that isn't talked about too often. But i am glad nousagi did cover this topic well overall as someone who likes menhera. Also i am a capipi so take that as you will
Ah yes. Shiori "eats with scissor (?!?!), intrusive yabai thoughts, bullying Henmama" Novella. 🤣🤣
Phase Connect is the home of the sad girl and the menhera.
There's a difference between normalizing mental health issues and romanticizing them. I'm so glad that we're moving to not shame people for having mental health struggles or not being neurotypical or whatever. but the problem is if we romanticize disorders no one will ever get healed. people used to avoid help because it was shameful to need to go to a therapist. now people don't want to get better because they make their issues part of their identity. I've fallen into this trap as well several times. I can't just stop having adhd one day, and I'm always going to have it. but that doesn't mean I make the adhd an important part of how I identify with others. I'm more than my disorder, and I refuse to let it take control of my life.
There is something endearing about adhd to some people (including myself). I get distracted a lot which can lead to a good joke. I often hyperfixate on things that live rent free in my head, and which I annoy others about endlessly. if they share such interests, it's pretty neat. and ofc there's the relatability factor, which really draws people in. the way I think and speak is different from a neurotypical person and is probably interesting to those it doesn't annoy. I often throw a lot of random words together when I can't think of the right ones, I mistakenly say a lot of really dumb stuff on accident, etc. (idk if this is due to adhd or smth else? whatever it is I really struggle with verbal communication). I freaked my coworker out because I randomly said "I like owls" and she couldn't see how there was any context to that (made sense in my head).
But whatever it is that's fun and endearing is a very small slice on my pie graph of neurodivergencey. I'm sure there's something cute about my frequent rants about video games and stuff to my boyfriend, but that's discounting the fact that I'm constantly interrupting him when he's trying to talk. I become very consumed in what I'm saying. and that's really the tip of the iceberg. I'm often late to places because of time blindness (class, work, meeting friends, dates, important stuff, etc.). and that's not fun and quirky like it may seem. that can really hurt my success in school or work or hurt my relationships with people. it makes me come off as really lazy (when I'm not trying to be). And it's not something I should use as an excuse. I need to focus on finding coping strategies for that, like scheduling myself to leave much earlier than needed so that if I accidently lose like 20 minutes into the void, I'll still make it on time. I struggle to take care of myself a lot due to time blindness as well. I forget meals, forget to shower, stay up too late because I lose track of time, etc. assignments are left undone, people are left untexted, and I wasted a whole day doing stuff I don't even really remember doing. I'm constantly wasting so much of my time because I cannot get myself on task. my mental health is affected by this as well, ironically enough. if I'm not taking care of myself physically, I'm going to feel worse mentally as a rule (your mind is connected to your body, you know?). AND I won't have time to take care of myself mentally either. everything is just crazy and I feel completely out of control.
It seems to be that adhd is caused by problems releasing dopamine in the brain. it is because of this (I believe, I'm just a senior in college majoring in biology) that people with adhd are more prone to addiction. this could be addiction to a substance or just addiction to the internet (haha, that's me). the brain with adhd seeks the instant gratification I'd say even more than the neurotypical brain. addiction is nasty. I feel like it's also romanticized as well, which is disgusting. I mean, look at all those ads saying "omg this game is so addictive, you should get it!" Not only are they not hiding it, they're advertising it *as if it's a good thing!* Like wtf? My internet addiction has absolutely ruined me. It's hard for me to be away from it, and when I am I'm unable to focus (it's even more difficult than it was when I was a kid, which is odd don't you think?). Phone addiction is very common and is "haha, lmao, relatable." But like, I really should not be spending 11 hours on my phone. that's not okay. I'm not doing my homework, I'm not working, I'm isolating myself from the people who actually give an f, and I am just rotting my brain. it's terrible.
In this society we love to diagnose disorders. "I think I might be autistic" "Oh cool, you should get diagnosed!" okay, yeah, and then what? The diagnosis shouldn't be the end of the journey, *but the beginning of the journy.* I can't magically cure my adhd but I can learn better habits to prevent myself from giving into my urges ever time. I can develop ways to stay on task and get things done. but nobody cares about getting better. being mentally ill is so much cooler.
why did I spend so much time writing this? no one is gonna read it T_T
As a person who has depression as well as probably undiagnosed BPD, this is a very good video DN.
I do wish mental illness was approached with a more nuanced take sometimes in terms of showing it off as blanket insanity (insert deriding comment from parent to suck it up and grow up)
@@sinew1000 I've noticed myself saying things before knowing what the fuck BPD is that seem to be expressing the self-identity disturbance aspects. But anyways, yes, I invite caution considering TikTok and Tics.
@@sinew1000 are you sure that's what fakers hyperfocus on, because I find it to be the least known symptom in the list
what happened to the weird girl
i never simp someone as hard as i simp with shiori, the girl hit all of my strike zone.
Our strike zone bro
Sharing is caring
I'm actually glad she is more mild than marketed. Instead Nerissa is a bit more... heavy handed in some areas than expected.
@@Brandwein42 Heavy handed?
I dont watch Nerissa so I dunno, back before Shiori debuted everybody thought she would be ara ara Rushia.
There was a lot of disappointment about that on 4chan, personally I’m really glad she’s very chill.
Same bro,same but include Fauna
I used to be the sad girl even though I’m a boy until I finally accepted that life is meaningless and does suck but if you just reject all the stuff you don’t like and accept the stuff that makes you happy then life becomes a lot better. I ended up dropping out of school and am spending most of my time doing pottery and being online and I’ve never been happier my future plans is to do pottery as a living even though I probably won’t make a lot of money luckily I have enough support that it will be fine
Also I’ve been doing pottery for 2 years now and only quite school a couple weeks after winter break
Get real help
Sole appeal of a yandere: If shes THAT into me, she probably won't cheat.
internet did really fk up our conception about mental health
It's only downhill from here 🤦♂️
Internet culture is what drove me to seek out a "normal" relationship with a well put together person that had an even temperament and understandable life goals. I am a big fan of vanilla and it's what I actively looked for after having enough crazy in my life.
The Biggest one will always be Rushia/Mikeneko/Nazuna hahahaha.
So crazy she performed mitosis
She should get proper treatment tho.
@@hang_kentang6709All that damage from cyberbullying and traumas for two years will be impossible to heal, all she can do now is try to be strong until the trial and cope on the internet.
And she's still the best lmao.
Get that bag DN! Glad you got a sponsor... Also you made an excellent video about serious topics! Keep up the amazing work!
Surprised there wasn't a mention of the Sad Girls company 😂
17:36 "Because some people genuinely think that mental illnesses are fashionable"
Oh my God yes! I cannot tell you how many girls I knew in junior high and high school 7-12 years ago that would claim to have all sorts of mental illnesses or to be neurodivergent. Legitimately almost every girl in my social circle claimed to have one or more mental illnesses, and I was friends with a ton of girls in junior high and high school (not trying to flex or anything, it was actually kind of odd and at times frustrating as a guy having more girl friends than guy friends, especially being a mostly typical weeb/gamer). Sure, some of them were very real, some of them absolutely did have some of these issues. I remember one of my friends had severe PTSD and androphobia (it took years before she was comfortable with me physically touching her even for something as simple as a tap on the shoulder) due to being sexually abused by her uncle as a young child, which, in retrospect, I met her when we were 13 so it was a relatively recent memory for her.
But one girl in particular I knew claimed to be bipolar, autistic, have DID (which from my understanding isn't even a real diagnosis), be schizophrenic, have depression and on top of that claimed to have a lot of physical disorders such as diabetes, Celiac's disease, and sickle cell anemia. The *only* one that she had any behaviors, habits or anything of the sort that would be consistent with any of those conditions being Celiac's disease, as I recall her taking some sort of medication before eating anything with gluten.
Oh god
I understand the appeal of menhara. Even i get that masculine instinct to protect well up inside me. But ive heard and seen far too many stories of guys going through a shit storm with menhara-type girls, especially when kids are involved. Id rather stick to vanilla and live a life of peace thank you very much.
The most interesting Menheras are a strange mixture of crazy, yet inspiring: a murderous girl who knows a love unmatched by anyone, or a guy who treats a prostitute like a princess because he rotted his brain with chivalirc tales.
We don't (and shouldn't) want to be like such people, but they also feel more strongly about things than the hopelessly cynical among us could ever hope to, and thus bring us to ask who's living the better life.
Personally think Menhera and Jirai culture being so idolized and romanticized is a huge problem. I've seen too many young girls being pulled into the scene because of the cute image around it.
During the Sad Girl segment you also described someone who is nihilistic. Nihilists are usually the Mad Woman type, because they all kinds of 'crazy' stuff due to their view that it won't matter anyway.
The 'Sad Girl' who gave up would be more along the lines of hopeless and inactive rather than careless and active.
And the 'Cutie' description is pretty off. At their core they're just someone that likes and surrounds themselves with cute things. That's just the aesthetic they feel most comfortable with. The dark themes come from someone who thinks they're broken. That's just how such feelings are typically expressed.
It's like with people who enjoy metal rock music. It's themed after violence, brutality and suffering, but fans are typically the most well behaved concert goers. They're actually stand-up people. They just need to express their feelings and frustrations from all the junk life throws at them.
What you're describing is really just #2 again, the 'Mad Woman' who is deceptive and manipulative and purposely uses camouflage to approach their interests, and actually do it in part because they're insanely jealous of the attention and care that the real 'Cutie' gets, and due to their nature as psychopathic or sociopathic nutcases, they don't understand that the 'Cutie' is genuine, and that just fuels the hate, thinking that the 'Cutie' is just as duplicitous as them but unfairly seeing more success despite the 'Cutie' showing poor skills in the things psychopaths and sociopaths typically focus more on.
It's a pretty common phenomenon, grossly apparent in not just vtubing but regular female social life.
She can break me.
Fr though take care of yourselves out there!
She can fix me
Shiori isnt menhera! She's just a dork! A cute dork! I shout it from the rooftops!!
i see kangel in thumbnail, i like
As a wise man said once.. "There's not much of a fucking option anymore."
The editing is so good
It’s all fun and game until the Menhera start to abuse their lovers.
frfr 😭
My man citing academic papers now. Based af
Goths, emos, geeks and nerds paved the way in the west before the menhera of the east flew en masse and started taking their place.
I was a little bit thrown off by Shiori's present in the thumbnail. Tbf some people might not feel like watching the video because of that.
That being said, you did a really great job on this video. Not just explaining menhara or just a funny content, but I can feel you really put your thought into this one. Well done DN.
What do you mean her present? Do you mean presence?
I honestly feel like I can’t say anything for this, I feel like I’m too young to be depressed, not even 16 yet, and yet I still find myself wanting this more than actual relationships, mostly because A: nobody really cares for me, and B: like what he said in the video, some women/girls have unbelievably high expectations or standards, so it makes me feel like I don’t have a place in the world, and all of this coming from a 14 year old boy who hasn’t even started high school yet… I need help, and for anyone else like me feeling like this, you need help too.
This is one of your most broad-reaching videos, and I appreciate it. It's not just going into my vtuber playlist, but the personal current year one I have.
Also, there's a published academic study on the phenomenon? Gotta get this to Aydin Paladin ASAP!
Thank you for writing/recording this video; it helped me re-evaluate my relationships, and how I view relationships. Do I really want a crazy person as a spouse? Do I want to deal with the mental issues of someone truly mentally ill? Should I actually get into a relationship just because I want to help someone with mental health problems I can appreciate? Or is a relationship something we should be more careful with? Should I be looking for someone who can relate to my own derangement? Or look for someone more stable that will actually pull me OUT of my insanity? I think I'll always love the aesthetic of Yandere and Menhera, but it's definitely more healthy to not allow that interest to apply to real life. Perhaps, stable, traditional, and mature are more attractive after all. Thanks again.
My friend is married to one, and I have nothing but respect for him. Feeling special isn't enough, you need to actually be special to pull that off.
7:26 This part was actually quite nice, I appreciate it
Phase connect, the sad girl company
Sad Girl Company?
As a jirai kei girl I appreciate this video, freaked out when I saw my girls Menhera chan and Ame chan
7:26 jezus i didnt expect to just be reminded of my 10 year depression with this rant here. its exactly how i felt for a decade long starting when i was only 11 (im 22 now btw, so its a relatively recent thing for me)
As a lesbian that's both found this attractive in others and related to within myself, I'm really happy I stumbled upon your video!! :D
also the comment "might as well look cute while you're suffering and crying" is so true lol
I like that you used Aberrant Receptacle for HSR
I LOVE JIRAI KEI AND THE CUTIE TROUPE SO THNAK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHEDDING LIGHT TO THIS😢😢😢
No, you can't fix her, and no, I'm not hearing you out, Strawman. You're 14!
your pic goes hard
The random scene of Atsushi taking the bomb off a Kyōka killed me for some reason. (they are #1 siblings)
i'm glad someone actually put into words the 3 appeals (for the Menhera consumers):
- Appeal to the need to protect someone
- Appeal to actually feel not just loved, but loved to an Obsesive level
- a person who's just like nobody you have really met IRL, nor probably will. Societal norms force you to hide your true weirdness
As a wise man once said "Well we ain't got much of a choice anymore"
i always hesitated on calling myself menhera, or even considering myself depressed but the older i got, the more i realized that there's a reason i relate to characters like ame chan and menhera chan (from wrist cut transformation girls). its kinda nice seeing characters who struggle with their mental health in really realistic ways, a lot of them hitting too close to home. i think it was around when rushia became popular that i noticed menhera becoming more of a trend and aesthetic rather than a coping mechanism or way to express yourself. i struggled with wondering if i just liked the culture, or the characters since everyone was confusing pastel goth, goth lolita, and jirai/decora with each other :/ i realized i like those characters because i relate to them and feel seen
Since this video was reuploaded, I'd like to describe and maybe coin a term for a subcategory of Menhera that I've seen but no one has properly acknowledged yet.
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Vantablack is the blackest shade of black in human history. It absorbs all light and leaves viewers wondering if a portal to the void was left open on someone's paintbrush.
If the nuances of human emotions could be put into a spectrum of colors, there must be an emotion to describe the mental sensation of having hit rock bottom and feeling the warmth in your body finally beginning to fade.
*Vantableak* is defined by the protagonist's mental state being so dark and the outside world as being such a hostile and inhospitable environment that the happiest, most virtuous solution is to commit a successful suicide to escape from it. The Protagonist may be a shut-in HikkiNEET or the most popular social butterfly in school but the point still stands that death is the only thing that makes them happy anymore, not even fantasizing about death but taking the steps needed to commit, and often they will commit as many attempts as necessary to ensure their last one will succeed. No one can change their minds.
Sometimes, they will even desire to drag someone else down with them. With or without consent.
Examples of Vantableak:
Hizumi Rei's Metha Luminol
See-kun's Take-Out Suicide
Nekobolo's Nonsense Speaker
The Mandela Catalogue (so far)
Happy Sugar Life(?)
Jin's Additional Memory
Most of Kairiki Bear's songs
Picon's I'm Not Human
Silent Hill 2
Torikago 7 Days
Those are all I can think of off the top of my head, but there are more examples out there.
Vantableak is not Grimdark. In Grimdark stories, the world really IS that hostile with the characters within being forced to make do and die trying or they enjoy being just as evil as their world. While with Vantableak, it's largely irrelevant, the protagonist wants to die regardless.
"people who like menheras don't want them in the real life" is a cope. mafumafu could have (almost) any woman he wanted, but he chose rushia.
Rushia isn't a menhera, she's jsut actually mentally ill
@@bullettime1116 this is what menhera is, LMAO. You can play menhera, or you can actually BE menhera
@Blackwing2345635 oh, but yeah rushia decided pretending was not good enough she had to become THE menhera
Love you Nousagi and your love for menheras, i feel like watching a video of myself, i feel loved by you thanks a lot
I love these kind of videos!
I assume we all agree that yanderes are not appealing in real life. But I never really understood their appeal in fiction either. I understand the fantasy of having someone obsessed with you, but from a storytelling perspective, they are exceptionally boring. Being yandere is often a defining trait and they have no interactions outside of the protagonist. It's as one-dimensional as a character can get.
Character writingwise, sure. You CAN make a complex Yandere, it actually is very possible, and sometimes very enjoyable. Think of it like people describing post-nut clarity, where they sorta start feeling, 'was this really that sexy?'
The Yandere thing just comes from being extremely lonely and having trust issues the fact that a woman that dedicated and unconditionally loving, loyal is just such a nice thing to imagine. Especially when there's no real chance of having a person like that IRL.
Idolmaster Riamu is a HUGE one too I'd say.
Menheras and no Phase Connect mention? I think something is wrong my brain can't process the video.
Thanks for the video!
Legit hadn't heard some of this before
Thanks!
Holy shit you hit this nail right on the head, great job!
Dude this video is deeply informative, nice job!
The bad thing is, the thumbnail and the title are very misleading and leaves and inaccurate bad impression of Shiori.
I suggest you to change them asap
Dang, comparing them to Ryan Gosling. Now I'm definitely interested in them. 😂👍
Great video.
Oh as composed as girlbosses can be, I've seen them IRL melt down, regain composure, then silently obsess about revenge for at least 5-10 years. I would categorize them as Narcissist/Borderline type menhera. Instead of obsessing about you like the yandere, they're obsessed with themselves and see you as both a trophy and a threat. You're right, they manipulate you into behaving in line and it's SUPER subtle. BUT if you slight them in the least or break out of their web, they will discard you at best or destroy you at worst.
My girlfriend, soon to be wife has split personality. We get along well. But nothing is perfect.
THERE ARE TOO MANY JOKES I CANNOT MAKE!
as someone who has mental health issues, the romanticization/sexualization + misuse/warping of terms and disorders used for people who struggle is honestly sickening. my disorder isnt your aesthetic and its not cute or sexy to be mentally ill. i think people abuse depictions of characters that are mentally ill, but are still designed to be conventionally attractive way too much.
Louder for the people on the back !
I’m diagnosed with Asperger’s and ADHD so I guess this kinda relates to me
I can’t tell you how many people find me strange for having an…unconventional approach to social interactions and saying the most out of pocket stuff I guess, It’s very hard for me to actually understand sometimes maybe how some people may feel I mean I have emotions maybe just not the right ways to respond to others and it gets very hard to socialize with others but hey I make people laugh and i like seeing others happy so there’s the good part to it
I just hope some people don’t downplay or fetishize having these disorders
I watched this video when it came out and thought it was interesting. Came back and liked it because of twitter freaking out despite not even watching it.
1:59 i've noticed Shion in there and she is NOT a example of menhara, unfortunaly people on the internet transformed her in one of these "crazy and cute yandere girls"
she has her personal issues of course but her acting violent and insane always depends on her having the Hinamizawa Syndrome her actions in Meakashi-Hen, although similar to the yandere concept (killing for the person she loves) in her initial reasons, Shion didn't have actual control of herself because she couldnt fight against the syndrome and in the ending, her reason to kill wasnt for revenging satoshi anymore, she loses her actual reason when she killed Satoko even thought Satoshi asked Shion to take care of her, something she proceeds to do in other fragments just like she promised to, going as far as wanting to kill her uncle teppei and hurting Keiichi so bad to the point of bleeding in order to save Satoko from the abuses she was suffering in minagoroshi
otherwise, great video about something more people should talk about
thiiiiis, people misinterpret shion's character so much because of how the internet represents her and it's honestly so frustrating because she's my favourite higurashi character
I didn't know a thing about it before I watched this video. Feeling proud about that