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My specualtion is, they never had the money for international lawsuit, vtubing doesnt earn that much. And certainly no expertise. Same as two other other black company this year. "subject for 5kk yen under jp judicial system" is a joke, it's literally impossible if your contractor is not jp resident. Though talents have no money to sue back as well.
Are you sure WACTOR's exclusivity arrangement was any different from Nijisanji or Hololive's? They complained that Shino Laila engaged in "VTuber activities (including monetization)". As far as I can tell, while the big two are fine with their talent making money as fleshtubers or pngtubers, I've never seen a member of either use a functioning VTuber avatar while employed with them. Kson, for instance, used a VTuber avatar before joining Hololive, fleshstreamed from her personal account while a member, and went back to using a VTuber avatar a month after leaving.
@@ckmishn3664iirc, Hololive does not restrict the talents to continue engaging on their roommates' career, but strictly against direct connection or even promoting or mentioning it. Some talents still have their past career ongoing without much fuss. But not for Nijisanji though. Even allowing strangers (even friends or family members) to appear on the livestreama.
@@ckmishn3664 Subaru's early days after debuting on Hololive, she in parallel had a second VTuber acount for extra income as an indie. It didn't last that long though, since the company gave her enough income.
And one the cases where it was from the company and the people didn't take it well and side with the talent instead, even more considering this was on the ES side. Good thing she is doing great as Meica now day.
For the people who wanted to know how nuclear the reaction was when Wactor doxxed Hina, let me say that it was so massive that many fans of Wactor decided to fully doxx Wactor's CEO Akira, it was effective enough to actually see what was going down inside the company like the one who was the legal representative was his mom, and she was using some of the accounts to do PR things for Wactor. Hina (Now Meica) is the biggest ESP v-tuber of the Latam Region who actually speak and stream for spanish demographics (Iron and Reimu are in EN parts mostly) so people actually do damage, and yeah, some of those feed the narratives about Lia x Akira being a real thing because of the massive leak of information fans got as revenge. But one of the most interesting part is what happened in the Wactor Discord Server where mods, who were clippers and some of them just "big people who donated a lot" decided to turn into Wactor's side and helped to get info of the girls, ban people who were worried and some of them are working with indies (Especially JP, be careful lads) and even the worst one is a mod for Phase Connect, it was proved that somes of them went to /vt/ threads only to anti the girls because they weren't "pure jap girls" and hating the new ESP girls because racism (When the lad was a just as latin as the rest of us at the end of the day). Some of them until this day go to hate the girls even on twitter or /vt/. Some people while discussing this said that many of these mods were not even paid and just got something like talking to the talents themselves as payment, making them very parasocial with them (Even with leaks about some of them declaring his love to Hina and getting rejected), so when the girls left, they took it very personal and the worst say possible. The entire history of Wactor is a tale of what a black company truly is and yet we don't know the full truth yet, but time will leak that true anyway.
And the worst part is, this guy was the the few parasocial prick from what i know ... or that is what it was imply as well. From other side, getting paid in that is .... creepy. Honestly i will never understand why. I mean sure, i respect them like i respect my artist peer too, but i maintain a level of professionalism as well. I was introduced to Meica (despite know her for all of this already) recently because of the ES Vtuber I'm working with this year (one of the 2, because i been working with another indie since 2021 for the EN side. And i got introduce in similar manner to other EN vtubers).
One thing that must be emphasized about the doxxing of Misora/Meica is that the Spanish community not only saw this as a completely disloyal and reprehensible act, but they also made Meica feel safe by making memes and making jokes with her. How many vtubers can say that they feel safe even when their ID is revealed with their address?
1) They tried to tap into spanish speaking audiences with members that knew NO SPANISH AT ALL. Still, they were received very positively. 2) When they actually started hiring spanish speakers... well you already watched the video, nothing changed. 3) Hina Misora was HUGE in latin america. And Wactor was so stupid to not take care of her, and not try to do the same with other talents that were following her footsteps. 4) When they hired for Wactor ES... it was so sad to see their streams because it felt like they were being held at gunpoint so they don´t speak at all about what is happening, and to just keep smiling and keep working.
@@Sillimant_ Yeah pretty much.... literally they just knew a couple phrases, and their streams were chat full of spanish comments saying they´re cute, and them using something similar to deepL to translate everything. TL:DR it was like a company trying to appeal to EN audience but all the members have the english skills of Elite Miko lol
Man this is insane. I have seen videos about terminations or early graduations of VTubers but never before I have ever heard of this kind of crap happening (the Doxxing etc). I am beyond speechless.
On the "bright" side of things, now Meica is doing great as an independent streamer in terms of numbers at least. I even nominated her to "rising star" for the vtuber awards considering how influential she's being this past year on the spanish side of the vtuber community.
Wactor trying to trick everyone to support their subsideraries was scummy, if you see them (providing they still exist), don't support them with your money & especially don't audition in them. There hasn't been an agency besides Wactor where self harm or worse is the only way to get out of a contract.
El hecho de que la streamers detrás de Hina Misora salió del incidente con la cabeza en alto es un ejemplo de fortaleza mental y profesionalismo digno de admirar.
As a fan of then Hina Misora and the other talents that managed to take off on WACTOR, thank you for covering this story at last. It needs to be heard by the rest of the community on a further international level and I never felt it got the necessary exposure and spread. From the Spanish speaking community and former Misopitas and the like, thank you very much.
Misora Hina was the first vTuber I actually got hooked into, her streams were REALLY good, its so horrible what that guy did to her. At least we got Meica now 💚🌱
Y su modelo de Meica es adorable 🌱 I love to read her good morning statements with her usual "hoja yo" (as sounds the more close to "ohayo" in spanish). She seems to be having some struggles, but still in a better place now.
@@NightmareZV PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!! recien caigo en porque ponia eso. Me tuve que dar un bife a mi mismo por no darme cuenta del juego de palabras (pun).
The alternate timeline where Wactor is dominating the vtuber scene. Possibly the most frustrating part is how many uncertain rumors were born from the overall reputation surrounding the agency.
She has even collabed again with Reimu, which, I thought, would not happen because I expected Nijisanji to distance itself of anything related to that controversy.
@@astranix0198check careful, she streams on Twitch her channel is Meica05, she's currently moving so last stream was on the 12 of this month but she streams a lot
I don't know what to say. This is so terrible, especially for the talens involved. Rumours while often unfounded with evidence,often being parades willy nilly. This reminds me of a case of a female pro wrestler. I think her name was Hana Kimura. While shooting for a reality show by some Japanese TV station,she was told to cause a scene to bring drama to the show. Apparently the contract she signed include nda and some clause that she have to follow the director script. The drama was ruining her reputation and cause her severe depression due unable to defend herself. He mother begs the tv to clear Hana's reputation,by admitting the incident was scripted. Alas the TV refused,until the day Hana decided to end herself. After some times the TV finally made open statements, admitting the incident was a scripted event. The producer and director resigned from the show. But allegedly they still producer and director just in different team within the tv station.
kinda fucking ironic that Fuji TV, the station that aired Terrace House (the show Hana was in) used to be the TV station of All Japan Women's Pro Wrestling - the biggest women's pro wrestling company in Japan
I think for Japan doxxing their talents is a big deal but since Hina grow up with mostly Latin people who are pretty much surviving daily and dont give a fk. She understood there are worst things, thats why she could reply to Wactor the way she did. Other talents probably would shut up and take the big L but she didnt.
There definitely needs to be a part 2. To all those claiming its now Nijikuro after everything thats happened to Doki as horrible as it has been, wactor still manages to make Nijikuro look better by comparison. As fucked as Niji is with everything coming out and is being noticed right now I hope for the sake of the livers that sextortion wont be on the list of crimes. Sink the yacht, but Wactors gotta burn.
To think that of all agency, only Kurosanji was able to exceed WACTOR in infamy, and that's coming from the largest Vtuber Agency in Japan and the second largest in the world.
Wait, Hololive (and Holostars for that matter) let talents do whatever they want with their PL account and personas while still in contract??? Holy cow that explains a lot, now I feel stupid for worrying everytine they did something like that 😅
As long as they dont break the NDA they can go do what they want. Good examples are Calli, Rushia(until she fked up with the NDA), Coco and some other JP members Edit: like Noel where she does some *unseiso* asmr Edit 2: Kiara does some vlogs and streams on her PL acc occassionally as well esp bec she loves Arknights and Holo cant really give perms on it cuz china
Cover for the most part is OK with it as long as it doesn't get in the way of profits and regular operations. As for Anycolor, I think it isn't but might vary per talent or branch; e.g. a reason given for Zaion's termination was using a PL account/persona.
@@teo8446 I mean, I knew it but I thought it was only for the real person, meaning they can stream or do things as themselves but not with another vtuber model (yet some talents like Regis and Kronii do it sometimes), but it seems they can, thats reassuring ngl
I wonder if we'll see the incident involving Production Kawaii's Third Gen, when one got fired and four graduated at the same time. That'd be an interesting thing to see. But the Wactor incident was a slow burn that just got worse and worse as time went on. Really, the company at this point has become untrustworthy that they might as well close their doors permanently.
Those girls really did stick it through together, they even started their own vtuber group company thing. I'm just glad to have my pee drinking oshi back
I follow former wactor members and I can tell you that they are doing a great job, they are happy and we their fans try to do our best to give them a happy place and happy moments
Still possible in Western spheres. JP? You out of luck, no Indies there manage to reach corporate talent levels of viewership without somehow stumbling on a Viral hit on some stream.
The massive big 2 are almost impossible to join (still worth a try tbh) since competition is so high. Phase, Kawaii, IdolEN are honestly the better options for most indies, the problem is that even them are becoming very sought after, but given the chance they are an awesome second or third prize. Henya & The Hornies just like the name implies needs you to be part of the hornies group before even attempting to join.
wactor is whack. Your CEO? Whack! Your name and brand recognition? Whack! Doxxing talents and possibly banging one of them? (unsubstantiated) WHACK! Even if they rebrand like, I dont think anything will change. Once a villain always a villain, it dont matter what your name is. No one will work for, or under you. At least other agencies have the intelligence to know they cant legitimately control peoples lives. Wactor doesnt want talents, they want puppets. So they can control every miniscule aspect of their lives. People they can treat like garbage and have not care. Unfortunately for them, soulless husks dont exist in the real world. People WILL fight back, and have.
The last line is accurate. There's so many small corpo tries to ride the vtuber wave. Recently in Indonesia, I've seen a case of horrible treatment from the company, terminating their talent because they went silent for months, the talent also complaining online, she hasn't got her payments. Then the company posts ALL the receipt of the talent's purchase for the vtuber, and ask the vtuber to pay back publicly. Feels like a insane couple breakup story, rather than a termination
One thing that I think you could have emphasized is exactly how nuclear an issue the Vtuber community views doxxing. Looking at this video from the theoretical perspective of someone from outside, yes doxxing is bad and a health risk, but it is hardly a big enough deal to be such a serious part of Wactors reputational loss from the general community. Vtubing allows secrecy and separation from the IRL, and to even reveal the IRL name of ones Oshi that they have not themselves volunteered is considered one of the highest-level infractions. Hard doxxing them is basically the single worst sin a company can do bar none. Probably viewed worse than outright unfair termination frankly, because at least then your Oshi is no longer related to the bad company.
@@guilguis4820 Sure, but it is much more sensitive topic in Vtubing. Because Streamers at least consent to streaming as their real selves and have themselves and their room on camera. Because of this, doxxing is a lot easier and simpler than it is for a Vtuber on average. In Vtubing there is a serious expectation of privacy about pretty much everything IRL and it is much MUCH harder to find enough info about them to dox them. Only their companies and sometimes other talents they have off-collabed with can really do it without serious difficulty. Which means the community views the power to do so as a taboo for them to ever use. I'm not saying streamers being doxxed isn't bad if they had been trying to keep it hidden. But Vtubers have a lot more power-dynamics relating to secrecy to begin with.
Frankly, a company that crosses that line doesn't deserve to recover. Some things you can't just walk away from and pretend it didn't happen. At least even if they try, I'm sure people will make sure they can't.
Just remembering these events makes me want to unleash my fury for all these guys, who are now taking refuge on that board that is deader than that crappy agency. Here is a fact that only a few know and that is that in their Discord server (Yes, the ideal Message Service for the worst aberrations that can come from a person) they literally did not care what happened to the girls, no I'm lying when I say one of the 3 disgusting moderators, public that he didn't care if a talent left, that in the end a new one would replace him. Anyway, I still wonder how there are still people who believed the story of Hina vs. the Clips and who cling to W. For me, it is not difficult to come across really despicable users who criticize the girls (More like Meica for some reason) as guilty of a crime that they did not commit, knowing that there are people with clear xenophobic thoughts (R) and questionable reality mentalities (If you know what I mean), who are both outside and inside the girls' communities... people completely resentful of destroying their fantasy of having control over them... that makes me paranic. Akira, like a good failed coward, if it weren't for his "Prodigious Ability" to contact really talented and charismatic people, he wouldn't have gotten as far as his own public put him. Because yes, W. didn't do much, everything was done by the Fans and the Talents. "Papa Smurf" just watched and filled his pockets with our money, while at the slightest form of protest to have better treatment, he will make the easiest decision, expel and dox her (In the worst case scenario). Good video, actually, you included both old and current information, including a couple of videos that W. herself unsubscribed. Now, taking advantage of your confidence and the "Hispanica" theme, I was wondering if you were planning to talk about another agency that grew quickly when W. started to go down, maybe you know it, since some of its talents still collaborate with the girls (Meica and Nisha).
There's also the fact that when trying to push for EN, via Rurine Luna (another spanish speaking talent who only entered Wactor cuz she got inspired by Misora Hina) they made her do a few EN streams and then pregented her from doing them. Then there's also (regarding Mitsurugi Lia and the CEO) pictures of a certain place, a certain room and some lil things that almost confirmed the special favors allegations
WACTOR pandered to latam. That includes Mexico. There's a possibility a cartel member watched one of the oshis. They have the CEO's name. We perform a little funky town.
Remember when actor wanted to sue one of the clippers based in michoacan and someone of Twitter said "que alguien le diga a wactor que la ley no existe en michoacan xd"
From a legal standpoint everyone laught at that as the AkioAir one. My sister, who is a lawyer, told me they can't do jackshit unless she is abducted to that country and trial there, but THAT WILL BE EVEN MORE ILLEGAL too. Level of facism illegal. And this was when we're discussing about Nimu's yab on Twitch since she knows i had contact with Vtubers (mainly since i work with 2 Vtubers, 1 EN and 1 ES). So in all of this Wactor never had a legal standpoint because they try to trial under laws of another country and on top they commit slander 1st. SO in other words, the one losing was Wactor and not the talents who quit.
Wactor really is the worst. There might be some equally bad Chinese company in the space, but if we talk international agencies, there is simply no competition. Sad thing is that some of the models were so damn good and even if the talents still exist, it hurts to see some of the models get lost forever, especially if they were fitting the character really well.
As much as we may joke about companies turning/being black, WACTOR being the serious standard for how black a company can get while not being completely in the shadows has been a constant for a while now. One other issue is that, from what I can tell, WACTOR was one of the only 2 bigger companies to branch into the ES demographic, a demographic of the 2nd most common first-language in the world, the other being IDOL which hasn't even happened yet.
Well, there was also Sedai One... But it only had 6 VTubers at it's peak, and after losing half of them in quick succession just decided to disband. Unlike Wactor who, having lost nearly their entire roster of some 2 dozen still refuses to give up
Kinda wild it all happen this year, it looks like something that happen years ago, although this year is almost over, it's crazy how fast things happen in the vtubber world.
Tbh, if only WACTOR not being childish and keep being professional, I'm sure this agency seems promising especially for Spanish speaking fanbase. This agency could be popularized Spanish speaking Vtuber community as if Hololive creating HoloID. Too bad we can't cry over the spilled milk, they already at rock bottom cause their own action. I tbh deep condolences to WACTOR Boys because I really looking forward to them, and I also greeted by one of them when they're still active... it was nice to see them 😢😢
Bit late but I feel like I should add that Hina Misora, now Meica05, is doing great, in fact she's even happier that she was back then and is growing at a similar rythm to when she was Hina. And she's not even scared of her community even tho she was doxxed! She moved countries but instead of keeping it a secret she's open about where she moved and even celebrated it when she got the country's nationality. Even tho she went through so much she remains strong and keeps moving forward with true joy doing what she enjoys. Fuck Wactor.
You just need to follow Meica. She is close to all the new indis, it feels like a generation of indis at this point XD. We have recopilation of the new girls and videos but are in spanish
Hina Misora=meica05 Luna rurine=nisha nixyeva Neon kuroyuri=eru nabura Sezia haruma=shura hiwa Mirelli kuuma=axtre lunaire Himea d'maria=Yamu rozenheart Yumi nekomiya=yukine olwin Rose kurari=merun morino Ito shinonome=natsuri nekoto Anya okumura=sylvie ruru Those are the ones I can remember right now, there are still more
I'm still mad at them, but at least the only good thing they did was creating the best ES VTubers i had the really good luck to met, i always wondered, depsite the good work they did Wactor didn't even aprecciated them, that was really insulting for most of the ES comunity. Many of them now are doing really good as indie VTubers and i still follow many of them, but some of them never returned and i still miss them, specially our Vampire Queen Himea, that really hurted a lot.
Va a volver para enero/febrero como Yamu, ya andaba a diciendo que bien podria volver como png antes de lo que ella planeo por la urgencia de stremear de nuevo XD.
@@enzomartinez2698 Un gusto saberlo, de verdad gracias, esto de encontrarlos se vuelve difícil cuando uno no tiene el dato correcto y mas si lleva un tiempo desaparecida. Así que a la espera de cualquier cosa.
The former Misora, now Meica, was forced to leave Japan after the doxxing, imagine having to leave your family and country right after finishing high school, all because your former boss exposes all your personal info to all Japan. After the Hasekara incident, an event were a guy become the clown of the country after a goup of idiots doxing his personal info, all japanese people are aware of the danger of have their personal data public. And she being only half Japanese, fear the worst and choise to flee. (or thas is what i guess so). She's better now, make new friends in Argentina, especiallly a nurse friend who take care of her health she likes or not, and is going to terapy regularly.
I would say that Wactor should be better by making new leaders and plans to finally become a stable Vtubing company in the future but it's too late due to the dramas. I wish that even though I actually didn't know about the members and this company and only knew this for the first time, hopefully that Wactor will be finally revive again like it should be.
Me gustaria agregar eventos de los que fuí testigo. Existió una generacion posterior a la de Hina Misora, Laila, Kurari Rose y Suzu. Dos de las se graduaron inmediatamente cumpliero el año, eran Pal sumeragi y Himari inumaki (Sabian lo que se aproximaba) de esa generacion quedando luna Rurine quien hablaba español tambien. De la siguiente tercera generacion (o cuarta) habia una hispano hablante que era Himea D'almaria Y una angloparlante kuuma Mirellie y 3 japonesas mas Ito shinonome yue saohime y Mimi yukinoshita que pospuso su debut y cambio su nombre a Lea ( se especula que la chica contratada cambio de opinion y se retiró, la que la reemplazo pidio el cambio de nombre) Yue desaparecio silenciosamente, ito argumenta que por una enfermedad de la vision tenia que descansar un tiempo y no regreso mas. Cuando la generacion ES apareció y despues exploto la polemica con el doxxeo a Hina Misora una Chica de la generacion ES sufrio mucho y hizo un stream forzado para que aparentara que estaba todo bien, en ese stream la Chica llamada Neo estaba sollozando y a la chica Himea D'almaria se le obligo a hacer un stream donde estaba super nerviosa y practicamente era un rehen al que se le obligo a repetir el mismo comunicado que emitió la agencia donde ofrecian a los talentos, que se coordinaron en exponer sus casos injustos, ser reintegradas a la agencia y "olvidar todo" cosa en la que nadie confió. El segundo miembro de la rama ES sezia Haruma eludia las preguntas relacionadas al tema al final todas dejaron en silencio la compañia siendo Himea la que tardó mas. Actualmente lo que queda de wactor es una divisiom de chicas japonesas gamers y para llamar la atencion a toda costa se les ha hecho revelar su rostro (disimulando con cosplay y filtro) y a fecha de hoy 26 de enero de 2023 han anunciado que tendran sus cuentas cuentas "Fantia" (imaginen que es como un onlyfans mas suave) para llamar la atencion y atraer mas publico Tambien se supo de un tweet de un ex moderador de kurari rose quien afirmo incluso con capturas de pantalla (no pondre su nombre ni enlace por respeto a ese hombre talentoso) donde explico que se desligaba de la empresa al que estaba voluntarimente trabajando por simpatia a Kurari Rose y al no deberle nada a nadie expresó que tuvo una experiencia muy extraña con Lia la cual lo contacto en privado y que hablaran en otro servidor donde se sentia segura y supuestamente donde la empresa no la veia, sobre los rumores entre Lia y Kurari Rose pues al parecer decia que habia un mal entendido y que queria conocer la version de los fans de Rose(esto fue ates de que Rose desapareciera). El no le dijo mucho y tiempo despues descubrio que en ese servidor donde le contactó si estaba la cuenta que usaba el CEO de wactor, entre los moderadores y eso le convenció que Lia Mentia pues la hubieran suspendido de inmediato. La misma Rose en su cuenta actual dio me gusta a esos tuits. Ese chico convencio a muchos que habia algo muy raro con lia Actualmente, el talento detras de Mitsurugi Lia tiene una cuenta y canal de youtube donde hace ASMR y tien su propia fantia, su imagen de perfil es colo un fanart de su avatar Lia. Actualmente Luna Rurine, Neon sezia , Himea, regresaron independiente Los moderadores voluntarios del discord de wactor tambien fueron contra las chicas y Hina Misora se especula que tenian contavto cercao con ella y que alguno se les insinuó y lo rechazo y ellos ayudaron a doxearlas. Tambien se comportaron muy despreciablemente con el resto de fans y con ktros moderadores de ahi que "Zona X" perdiera su canal de clips y decidiera romper el silencio. Pero esto ultimo es mas una rencilla entre moderadores que lamian botas y los que estuvieron en desacuerdo de lo que les pasó a las chicas. A un compañero miembro famoso del fandom lo amenazaron tambien con emprender acciones legales, el era de los que mas donaba pero el gestionó con la embajada de japon en mexico y tomaron acciones contra la amenaza. Actualmente solo hay casos abiertos confirmados con Merun Morino (Kurari Rose) y Meica (Hina Misora) pues ellas mismas han confirmado que son las unicas con procesos aun abiertos pero sin llegar a nada tampoco. Yo estoy de su parte y rezo porque superen ese obstaculo y entierren para siempre ese mal momento que es un lastre a su felicidad
Gracias por agregar más información, si no es mucha molestia podría decirme como se llaman los canales actuales de quienes interpretaban a Lia y Himea? Son las únicas que les perdí el rostro y me gustaría ver que tal lo están haciendo
i was there... it was as crazy as it sounds or maybe even more. They shut down clip channels and even attempted to doxx members of the fan community. not every day you get to see such spectacular fall of a company... fortunaltely most of the talents are fine or even great nowadays and those who decided to stay are finding success and doing their best.
They're small company with low budget How come they have the audacity to make fun their talents? Is the founder just jump at the train hype without knowledge?
Who as I've forgotten because I think I might be subscribed to her but not watched in a very long time. I have discovered that mitsurugi lia after almost 7 months from attempting to take her life returned to RUclips making content at the end of September and seeming better in health which is good to see.
There is something good that came out of this crappy company. Hina + three girls from the ES branch are doing great being indie and they collaborate a lot between them. It's nice to see that their friendship remained after this.
Seconded. Brave Group is interesting because they've went through some of the darkest moments a Vtuber agency has gone through, but Brave Group learned from its mistakes and is now once again one of the Elite Orgs in Vtubing. It's should be 3 part series, the first covering thd Game Bu Era, the 2nd being the slow turnaround after, and the 3rd being about their huge expansion this year. Sagi, are you aware of the fact that Brave Group had been growing its EN division at a faster rate than Nijisanji did with Niji EN? It's flying over peoples heads because it's split across three different brands. But V4Mirai's 2nd Gen got 3D in a month after debut.
@lucasLSD Yeah, the old CEO got pushed out, and the new one (Who was an executive there when it was Unlimited) worked on rebuilding Brave Groups goodwill in Japan. Then they purchased Vspo (Because the Vspo talents wanted, but couldn't afford 3D), and things went vertical. They announced V4Mirai (V4Mirai refers to itself as Brave Groups first EN project), and then immediately launched Globie Social (their 2nd EN project, but focused on the EU, and emulating Niji EN), and Vspo very quickly followed up by announcing EN and CN branches. Globie Social had their debuts earlier this month, and Vspo ENs 1st gen is going to be announced at the beginning of February. They're doing an incredible amount of stuff on the JP side, setting up their own version of Virtual Talent Academy, and bringing Vtubing legends HIMEHINA into the agency. I have no clue how all these wild announcements are going to play out, but Brave Group is the single most ambitious Vtuber agency RN.
@@FDW137whoa bud you really are a big shill huh. You just didn't mention that globie and vmirai are 2view for months and haven't even reached 20k. You said it's growing like NIjiEN did but that's not true as it has much less viewers and subscribers at the same time as lazulight had in 2021. Brave is creating a ton of different agencies with none of them outside of vspo having good numbers z and vspo itself was a buy out and is managed independent from them by the original company who owned it
Japanese talents mostly, my theory is that they want a solid fanbase before leaving Fun fact: 2 of them revealed their faces (Himeragi ageha and Mahiru Kumaboshi) and it's theorized they were forced by WACTOR (Tbf Ageha seems to be okay with showing her face to the point of cosplaying her avatar)
don't know if you're a natural english speaker or learned it, but to help you out, its spelled disappear, really, and possible! sorry if this comment seems rude, just here to help!
Good video. The Wactor case is one of those that I investigated the most at the time. Here is a little of what I experienced: In January 2023 I was a little away from the vtuber topic. It no longer caught my attention, but still from time to time a funny clip of some vtubers would appear. The clips that appeared were of Misora Hina and some other Wactor girls. I had already heard about Misora before, she was quite popular in the Spanish community, especially in Latin America, some classifying her as the biggest vtuber in the community, becoming nominated for several awards along with another talent called Rurine Luna, another Wactor talent. At the end of January I was on Twitter when the first bomb of that year went off. Hina Misora is missing and several of her classmates are starting to disappear too. I was immediately interested in all the chaos that was being generated, since I was dedicated to scripting videos for a channel in which I collaborated, I started to investigate. I discovered several things and rumors about past events. The Shino Laila and Kurari Rose case, the rumor that some vtubers were disappeared for deleting company information, the pattern of disappearances that in most cases was due to illness and from there Wactor no longer said anything, the matter of Lia and her CEO, among many other things that it would take me to explain. As the days went by and I discovered more things, the uncertainty, fear and desperation of the fans increased when Rurine Luna, one of the girls who collaborated the most with Hina, made an announcement that she would take a break. The fact is that this announcement was poorly written, as if they had used a translator, without a doubt Luna did not write that. Neon Kuroyuri, Wactor ES talent, was suddenly absent without warning, her last tweet said that she was sleepy. The rumors that Hina had already been fired grew worse and people began to ask the company for explanations, some rudely, but others very politely. Either of them were banned from Twitter accounts. The madness of the Discord server also happened, where the moderators banned anyone who asked about Hina, Luna or Neon. There was a special chat for Hina fans, however they deleted it and the alarms increased. And despite all this Wactor continued without saying anything. A couple of days passed and the announcement was made that legal action would be taken against anyone who spoke ill of Wactor, since that was the moment where the rumor of the CEO and Lia having a relationship spread and where the CEO was most doxed, but also to some girls by people who to date it isn't known if they were fans who wanted to help find the missing girls irresponsibly or if they were haters or people from Wactor. I remember that at that moment it was discovered that Luna on her Twitter had left likes for very varied tweets that formed a farewell message to her fans. That's something that made me very sad, but that's not where it ends. Neon suddenly returned and streamed. She seemed sad and was trying to calm people down, but in the end it seemed like a farewell more than a normal stream. Wactor had used her as a failed smoke screen, only to disappear again. Another talent named Himea was made to read a written script in which she stood against her friends. People began to unsubscribe from all the talents, there was a kind of massive doxing of Wactor, until suddenly Meica appeared. They recognized her from a voice clip and then other talents who had been missing also came together to support Meica. They soon talked about Wactor in public, making a counter move that the company did not know how to respond to. Several vtuber news media had heard about the case, but did not give it enough importance. Wactor was really a very bad company with his talents, forcing them to do and say things they didn't want to, disappearing them when they were no longer convenient without even giving notice to his fans, deleting her work and doxing those who stood against him. Currently Wactor lost all of its past Vtubers, including Hizuki Miu, who was the company's first talent. Now they only have a branch called VV-Gamers, they no longer focus on Spanish. Good luck to those girls and I hope history doesn't repeat itself. For me, the Wactor case was one of those that generated the most suspense and helplessness, but with a happy ending. Meica and most of the girls who have become independent are fine and the company that took advantage of them has fallen into misery. I think it is one of the biggest cases that the Spanish community had in terms of vtubers and there are too many very shady cases out there... That's all from me, sorry for the long text and happy new year.
No matter what they did Wactor is done for. Just hoping remaining talent that still inside wactor can get away safely in a way. Hope laws in their country favor thems. But idk how talent in Japan does tho, since its infamous japanese laws often favor companies, public figure or more famous party than the workers/civilians. Leading to many un alive issues that persist for decades in Japan (Talk about low crime rate lmao).
You realize you can and should use the word suicide in comments like this, right? While RUclips will demonetize a video for using that word, they don't go after comments that happen to contain that word. Using a euphemism like "un alive" is only really an acceptable thing when you are forced to do so by the platform you're using. Using a euphemism diminishes the impact of what you are saying. This has the unintentional effect of minimizing the impact that depression and suicide has on people's lives, and the lives of those around them. Suicide is a serious problem in many countries, especially Japan, Korea, and India, among others. And it should absolutely be something that is discussed openly. It is often seen as something shameful for the surviving families of the victims, and we need to fight against that stigma.
@@Bobbias I repeatedly get my comments deleted when using these words before in some other channels tho. So thats why rather than it being deleted. I forced to input these weird words lol. I agree its not japan exclusively but entire Asia. The eastern work culture that belittle mental damages and exhaustion and that kind of work culture infecting every workplace nowadays. While it propelled the comanies to the top of the market, it cost so many life. But until facing the population decline (3 prominent asia countries Japan, China, and Korea have this exact problems) bcs they dont have time to date/having families, care for others and very expensive educations/living cost. Its really hard to make changes especially if majority already get used to it, as we all know people are always afraid of changes especially companies bcs that work culture make them rich in the 1st place.
@@Nahan_Boker94 if you include links in your posts, RUclips will delete them. That's been by far the most common reason for any of my posts being deleted. If you aren't posting links and they're still being deleted, perhaps people are mass reporting your comments for some reason, at which point you need to consider what you're saying, and how you're saying it.
They had a lot of potential and they wasted it. It even became (supposedly, I never saw the proof that confirmed it) the third most succesful Japanese Vtuber agency at some point, and they screwed it all. And it's such a shame because most of their avatars were really well made and had an excellent design. Even better than many from Holo or Niji. Also the collabs of some of the members were incredibly fun and entertaining, especially Hina and Laila. I'm glad that most of the talents are back now, as independient vtubers or in better agencies, but it's still sad that some of those things are lost forever now. One of the things that upsets me most is what happened to Lia, and it was all for rumors that never were confirmed. She has an unique personality and is really fun, but many people took her as a scapegoat just to vent their frustration over W. So what happened to her really sucks. I'm glad that Hina and Luna, now Meica and Koa, are in IdolES now and will keep growing in popularity. This even could even open the chance of getting ES branches in the most popular agencies.
I'm not entirely sure it's her but I think it is from recent events kinda confirming it but the person behind lia returned to streaming late September after over half a year of recovering from what happened to her when making that attempt. She seems in a better place and aiming to debut a vtuber model by this fall from what I read
I can't describe how much the spanish community had hope of having their representation in vtubing. I remember even a guy who say Wactor will take over Hololive spanish fanbase (LOL). They were all great girls and I'm happy they are doing what they like.
I was there when WACTOR made the spanish community their focus, i saw the ads of Miu and Lia speaking spanish and got hooked inmediatly even if their spanish was like Miko's english it was fun to watch them and they made the trend of Japanese vtubers learning spanish, at that time i always said that "If we don't get HoloES or NijiES soon Wactor will take over that market" but then it hit the fan and the whole spanish community started hating and still hates WACTOR up to this day, there are some people who support the last 4 remaining members In the end i miss some of the Vtubers that did not reincarnated (Miu and Lia) but i think it's best for both of them to stay away, mostly because at least Lia still has haters (The one of the sonic pfp mostly)
More recently, looks like Wactor (now called 910 inc.) is opening auditions to their already graduated vtubers they have, they literally took this personally to be the worst vtuber agency as possible.
Thanks god meica05 is achieving success on her own. It is sad that hina misora, luna rurine will now be taken over other and might suffer the same abuse
By publicly doxxing their own talents, Wactor invented a new kind of stupid, a “damage they could never undo” kind of stupid, an “open all the cages in the zoo” kind of stupid, a “Truly, they didn’t think this through?” kind of stupid! So scared of what their enemies might do to them, yet they’re the only enemy they ever seem to lose to! Do y’all know why COVER can do what they want? They don’t dignify school-level taunts with a response!
I don't know if this is appropriate to say this or not, but I recently found out that my ex-boyfriend who harassed me and did some borderline illegal things, works for this company. Figures... corrupt people attract each other.
I came here since I just watched a video that Wactor is coming back and rebranding so I came here to understand more of Wactor. This is the craziest company I have heard of in the Vtuber industry. This is the first I have heard of companies doxxing their own talents.
What's surprising is why does that company even be a black company in the first place? It doesn't take a fool to know that there's definitely no merit in doing that. If there is, It's only the profits that they gained during the early phase. If only this company started without Its dark intentions, they surely must've been one of the top big companies now.
She was a Vtuber for a company before becoming Indie, but the company went bankrupt and it seems that she had bad experiences about it. From what she said in a stream, she wasn't paid what she deserved, and she even received harassment from someone in the company (specifically, disgusting comments about 'liking young people like her').
this is extremely sad, i was wondering what happened to Hina just to find all this crap about doxxing and terrible management. I hope she is doing fine and that Wactors CEO Akira never gets a chance to get into this scene again... just terrible
@@manusiabumi7673 Spoiler from the Vtuber awards… So basically Depressed Nousagi did a watch along of the vtuber awards and apparently a lot of his predictions of who would win awards were wrong, and so him and chat agreed that if Pekora didn’t win vtuber of the year, he would have to do an apology video. You can probably guess the outcome with the comment above as the award went to Ironmouse. Although tbf I don’t think there was a Japanse vtuber that won an award iirc, which makes sense since the voter demographic is in the US.
My thoughts on wactor extend beyond just vtubers themselves but to the mentality of a black company. A black company that runs things under the table in japan can legally still pursue defamation against anyone saying negative things about them regardless of whether those claims are true. As such this seems to be the common strategy employed by black companies to try to control workers under them. It falls apart when crossing international borders as we see here, but they are stuck in their way of thinking. There appears from a western pov, to be a norm of power dynamic of upholding the speech of a company while suppressing the speech of a worker/consumer that is not the norm in the west. (think about companies verbally harrassing or threatening a product reviewer to leave a positive review, to take down a negative review on amazon or ebay, or to fraudulently report a negative review in order to get it removed for made-up reasons) I would guess that reputable companies dont try to exploit this since they know the optics of exercising self control (even if there is legal allowance), but black companies like wactor do because they ignore the optics of having self-control in these situations because there is a legal allowance of this sort of behavior and they dont have enough reputation in the first place to be worth preserving. Basic advice to be gleaned from this is not to trust a corp with no reputation if they dont show evidence that they value fairness or integrity behind the scenes. And even if they do, one needs to be careful and see if they can show you they value those things even when nobody is looking.
On extra information, Laila was growing big until she get suspended for ridiculous reasons. Rose and Suzu was big on bilibili but Rose was expulsed and some drama happens because of bad management with Suzu before she leaves. Also, some of the ones that wasn't named on the video have good grown rates before what happens with Hina, they was Rurine Luna, Neon and Himea but the first 2 left almost inmediadlly when Hina was fired
I just discovered Meica recently. I had no idea she was originally in Wactor. Sadly, there very few spanish-speaking vtubers. Most of them are indies and they are very small. Probably Wactor's reputation hurted so much the spanish audience that is very hard to new vtubers make a way through it
Man, the whole wactor stuff was bigger in some regards that I didnt know. Tbh, the whole Wactor fiasco ruined a bit more my views in SPA vtubers, it wasnt good when the whole Nimu & Suwie drama happened, and Wactor cemented my views in some sides, even then, props for the fans going to aid Meica and the other girls to stand a little better after so much harm. While currently my views in SPA/LatAm vtubers is a bit muddy having in mind always the past controversies, at least I can see now that there are some that I can say are entretaining and kinda hoping if IdolES gets golden see what could be a good corpo on SPA.
The problem with the Vtubers ES community is usually a cultural thing. The humor and way of being of the people here is very... Chaotic, and many people tend to be quite controversial in themselves, especially if we talk about influencers. For example, I've never seen anything from Nimu. Nothing. At most, his few-minute chat with Hina was quite a while ago. But I did find out about your controversy, and as an Argentine I can say that it is the ABC of how people work in this country. She didn't surprise me at all, in other words, she is a textbook Argentinian. So it's not that the community is bad. We have our things, like everyone else, but in general the problem is more with certain sectors that are quite toxic, and if you avoid them then there are no major problems.
Japanese need to understand that they are building company not only for Japan market BUT also international market. They need to abide to international culture and not bringing their work culture to outside. Black companies are common in Japan so this kind of practices might seem normal to them, but these are nails to the coffin if they force it into outside world.
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My specualtion is, they never had the money for international lawsuit, vtubing doesnt earn that much. And certainly no expertise. Same as two other other black company this year. "subject for 5kk yen under jp judicial system" is a joke, it's literally impossible if your contractor is not jp resident. Though talents have no money to sue back as well.
Are you sure WACTOR's exclusivity arrangement was any different from Nijisanji or Hololive's? They complained that Shino Laila engaged in "VTuber activities (including monetization)". As far as I can tell, while the big two are fine with their talent making money as fleshtubers or pngtubers, I've never seen a member of either use a functioning VTuber avatar while employed with them.
Kson, for instance, used a VTuber avatar before joining Hololive, fleshstreamed from her personal account while a member, and went back to using a VTuber avatar a month after leaving.
@@ckmishn3664iirc, Hololive does not restrict the talents to continue engaging on their roommates' career, but strictly against direct connection or even promoting or mentioning it. Some talents still have their past career ongoing without much fuss.
But not for Nijisanji though. Even allowing strangers (even friends or family members) to appear on the livestreama.
@@ckmishn3664 Subaru's early days after debuting on Hololive, she in parallel had a second VTuber acount for extra income as an indie.
It didn't last that long though, since the company gave her enough income.
The fact that Misora doxxing is still up is one of the most disgusting things to ever happens in the vtuber world.
Idk why any sane person do something so despicable
@@avioracrown6967 Bold of u to assume they're a sane being
@@Sixon6845Sanity is a rare commodity on the internet.
Lucky of us, is happy now be independet
And one the cases where it was from the company and the people didn't take it well and side with the talent instead, even more considering this was on the ES side.
Good thing she is doing great as Meica now day.
This video aged like fine wine,
Nijisanji seems to be catching up with Wactor rn
And still lost
For the people who wanted to know how nuclear the reaction was when Wactor doxxed Hina, let me say that it was so massive that many fans of Wactor decided to fully doxx Wactor's CEO Akira, it was effective enough to actually see what was going down inside the company like the one who was the legal representative was his mom, and she was using some of the accounts to do PR things for Wactor. Hina (Now Meica) is the biggest ESP v-tuber of the Latam Region who actually speak and stream for spanish demographics (Iron and Reimu are in EN parts mostly) so people actually do damage, and yeah, some of those feed the narratives about Lia x Akira being a real thing because of the massive leak of information fans got as revenge.
But one of the most interesting part is what happened in the Wactor Discord Server where mods, who were clippers and some of them just "big people who donated a lot" decided to turn into Wactor's side and helped to get info of the girls, ban people who were worried and some of them are working with indies (Especially JP, be careful lads) and even the worst one is a mod for Phase Connect, it was proved that somes of them went to /vt/ threads only to anti the girls because they weren't "pure jap girls" and hating the new ESP girls because racism (When the lad was a just as latin as the rest of us at the end of the day). Some of them until this day go to hate the girls even on twitter or /vt/.
Some people while discussing this said that many of these mods were not even paid and just got something like talking to the talents themselves as payment, making them very parasocial with them (Even with leaks about some of them declaring his love to Hina and getting rejected), so when the girls left, they took it very personal and the worst say possible.
The entire history of Wactor is a tale of what a black company truly is and yet we don't know the full truth yet, but time will leak that true anyway.
And yes...
Thanks Wactor for feeding the Latin American wota gatekeeping. :(
Holy fuck if what you're saying about those Discord mods is true, then those people are fucking pathetic.
Write a little more clearly, separate or specify some things cuz I thought phase connect was a mod and not a vtuber company
And the worst part is, this guy was the the few parasocial prick from what i know ... or that is what it was imply as well.
From other side, getting paid in that is .... creepy.
Honestly i will never understand why. I mean sure, i respect them like i respect my artist peer too, but i maintain a level of professionalism as well. I was introduced to Meica (despite know her for all of this already) recently because of the ES Vtuber I'm working with this year (one of the 2, because i been working with another indie since 2021 for the EN side. And i got introduce in similar manner to other EN vtubers).
@@Raisen_ch are you a 2D rigger?
I remember that on twitter people's response to every wactor related tweet was to share the name and a photo of the CEO as kind of a counter dox.
One thing that must be emphasized about the doxxing of Misora/Meica is that the Spanish community not only saw this as a completely disloyal and reprehensible act, but they also made Meica feel safe by making memes and making jokes with her. How many vtubers can say that they feel safe even when their ID is revealed with their address?
Delutaya? Sorta. There’s likely a trust issues there, but from the people that she knows are her true fans, I’m sure there’s some safety there.
1) They tried to tap into spanish speaking audiences with members that knew NO SPANISH AT ALL. Still, they were received very positively.
2) When they actually started hiring spanish speakers... well you already watched the video, nothing changed.
3) Hina Misora was HUGE in latin america. And Wactor was so stupid to not take care of her, and not try to do the same with other talents that were following her footsteps.
4) When they hired for Wactor ES... it was so sad to see their streams because it felt like they were being held at gunpoint so they don´t speak at all about what is happening, and to just keep smiling and keep working.
hahaha holy shit, I'm imagaining fuwamoco without knowing english. what a disaster of a business decision
@@Sillimant_ Yeah pretty much.... literally they just knew a couple phrases, and their streams were chat full of spanish comments saying they´re cute, and them using something similar to deepL to translate everything.
TL:DR it was like a company trying to appeal to EN audience but all the members have the english skills of Elite Miko lol
MISOPITA is loved as her new incarnation, I like to see her grow.
I am just glad that the girls tried to stick up for each other against the weight of the higher ups.
@@esaualfaro3447tbf, that's a winning strategy lol
Man this is insane. I have seen videos about terminations or early graduations of VTubers but never before I have ever heard of this kind of crap happening (the Doxxing etc). I am beyond speechless.
Welcome to Wactor
Wactor, put your V-tubers away, Wactor
Waaaaaahck-tuhhh
I'm not having fun with you wactor
Wactor
Wactor I am not streaming with you here Wactor
“I am the one who doxxes my talents”
Indonesian fans are probably the most toxic and mentally unstable group I’ve ever seen.
On the "bright" side of things, now Meica is doing great as an independent streamer in terms of numbers at least.
I even nominated her to "rising star" for the vtuber awards considering how influential she's being this past year on the spanish side of the vtuber community.
Mismo CCV que Misora
Wactor trying to trick everyone to support their subsideraries was scummy, if you see them (providing they still exist), don't support them with your money & especially don't audition in them. There hasn't been an agency besides Wactor where self harm or worse is the only way to get out of a contract.
Akio air?
Such contracts that are one sidedly abusive are often illegal and only used by black companies to bully employees who dont know their legal rights.
...and here we are in april of '24 hearing about similar things in Kurosanji
truly same generation of VT agencies
The CEO based his business plan plan on the terminator, but on the name only lmao
Bro should become a inner city teacher with how fast he makes these girls graduate
El hecho de que la streamers detrás de Hina Misora salió del incidente con la cabeza en alto es un ejemplo de fortaleza mental y profesionalismo digno de admirar.
As a fan of then Hina Misora and the other talents that managed to take off on WACTOR, thank you for covering this story at last. It needs to be heard by the rest of the community on a further international level and I never felt it got the necessary exposure and spread.
From the Spanish speaking community and former Misopitas and the like, thank you very much.
Misora Hina was the first vTuber I actually got hooked into, her streams were REALLY good, its so horrible what that guy did to her. At least we got Meica now 💚🌱
Meica fue tan pro que el drama solo la catapultó a su nueva carrera como vtuber.
Sobrevivo como la sumisa 😂😂😂😂
Ella y las demas tambien. Es uno de los casos donde tuvieron mas exito por su propia cuenta que con Wactor.
Y su modelo de Meica es adorable 🌱 I love to read her good morning statements with her usual "hoja yo" (as sounds the more close to "ohayo" in spanish). She seems to be having some struggles, but still in a better place now.
@@NightmareZV PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!! recien caigo en porque ponia eso.
Me tuve que dar un bife a mi mismo por no darme cuenta del juego de palabras (pun).
update: they took the title back with a landslide victory
The alternate timeline where Wactor is dominating the vtuber scene.
Possibly the most frustrating part is how many uncertain rumors were born from the overall reputation surrounding the agency.
Atleast for Meica, she have been connecting with a lot of latinamerican vtubers since she left Wactor.
She has even collabed again with Reimu, which, I thought, would not happen because I expected Nijisanji to distance itself of anything related to that controversy.
she could even start her own vtuber group at this point
Her last stream was 7 months ago?
@@astranix0198she stream on twitch
@@astranix0198check careful, she streams on Twitch her channel is Meica05, she's currently moving so last stream was on the 12 of this month but she streams a lot
I don't know what to say. This is so terrible, especially for the talens involved.
Rumours while often unfounded with evidence,often being parades willy nilly. This reminds me of a case of a female pro wrestler. I think her name was Hana Kimura. While shooting for a reality show by some Japanese TV station,she was told to cause a scene to bring drama to the show. Apparently the contract she signed include nda and some clause that she have to follow the director script. The drama was ruining her reputation and cause her severe depression due unable to defend herself. He mother begs the tv to clear Hana's reputation,by admitting the incident was scripted. Alas the TV refused,until the day Hana decided to end herself.
After some times the TV finally made open statements, admitting the incident was a scripted event. The producer and director resigned from the show. But allegedly they still producer and director just in different team within the tv station.
kinda fucking ironic that Fuji TV, the station that aired Terrace House (the show Hana was in) used to be the TV station of All Japan Women's Pro Wrestling - the biggest women's pro wrestling company in Japan
I think for Japan doxxing their talents is a big deal but since Hina grow up with mostly Latin people who are pretty much surviving daily and dont give a fk. She understood there are worst things, thats why she could reply to Wactor the way she did. Other talents probably would shut up and take the big L but she didnt.
So in light of recent events, it looks like Wactor saw this video, and took it as a personal challenge.
So, Nousagi what now that Niji went the WACTOR route?
Not even close
As bad as niji is, so far they are not that dumb/desperate
I'm glad the person behind Hina/Meica is still standing strong despite all this terrible ordeal. Much love to her
She reached 100k within five months in both youtube and twitch. She is doing just fine
There definitely needs to be a part 2. To all those claiming its now Nijikuro after everything thats happened to Doki as horrible as it has been, wactor still manages to make Nijikuro look better by comparison. As fucked as Niji is with everything coming out and is being noticed right now I hope for the sake of the livers that sextortion wont be on the list of crimes. Sink the yacht, but Wactors gotta burn.
To think that of all agency, only Kurosanji was able to exceed WACTOR in infamy, and that's coming from the largest Vtuber Agency in Japan and the second largest in the world.
Wait isn’t holo jp based?
@@thaihungphan7255 In Japan Nijisanji is more famous than Hololive, but less famous globally.
@@thaihungphan7255 and the largest in the world is still Hololive
At least Niji didn't dox ANY of their fired talents
@@hideriplays2626 Kurosanji did doxx their talent aka Dokibird.
We’re at a point in VTubing where there can be _multiple_ worst companies in any given year
H-.. hooray? 🍾🥳
Wait, Hololive (and Holostars for that matter) let talents do whatever they want with their PL account and personas while still in contract??? Holy cow that explains a lot, now I feel stupid for worrying everytine they did something like that 😅
As long as they dont break the NDA they can go do what they want.
Good examples are Calli, Rushia(until she fked up with the NDA), Coco and some other JP members
Edit: like Noel where she does some *unseiso* asmr
Edit 2: Kiara does some vlogs and streams on her PL acc occassionally as well esp bec she loves Arknights and Holo cant really give perms on it cuz china
Cover for the most part is OK with it as long as it doesn't get in the way of profits and regular operations. As for Anycolor, I think it isn't but might vary per talent or branch; e.g. a reason given for Zaion's termination was using a PL account/persona.
@@sujin2Zaion got hit cuz she used her PL account to like an anti-niji post
@@teo8446 Makes sense, no company is going to be ok with that
@@teo8446 I mean, I knew it but I thought it was only for the real person, meaning they can stream or do things as themselves but not with another vtuber model (yet some talents like Regis and Kronii do it sometimes), but it seems they can, thats reassuring ngl
Chart grids and this Nousagi: inseparable duo.
I think Wactor has some stiff competition now
Ahh yes, there will be no Company drama without favoritism and sleeping with the higher up staff, classic vtuber major drama
Why does it seems to vibe in with how JP black corpos tend to have such cases....
I wonder if we'll see the incident involving Production Kawaii's Third Gen, when one got fired and four graduated at the same time. That'd be an interesting thing to see.
But the Wactor incident was a slow burn that just got worse and worse as time went on. Really, the company at this point has become untrustworthy that they might as well close their doors permanently.
Those girls really did stick it through together, they even started their own vtuber group company thing. I'm just glad to have my pee drinking oshi back
Oh, the pegasus girl is back? Neat.
0:30 Ah yes the heartwarming story of Kendrick Lamar's rivalry
I follow former wactor members and I can tell you that they are doing a great job, they are happy and we their fans try to do our best to give them a happy place and happy moments
They remind me of the game studio FNTASTIC. Both these companies got what they deserved.
I've read rumors that FNTASTIC was some money laundering operation by some Russian oligarch
The "devs" of the day before? What a bunch of low life scammers
Ah, yes. WACTOR.
The only agency that nearly made me want to commandeer a Glorianna-class battleship just to blast Akira out to kingdom come.
I hoped after WACTOR, agencies will learn, but AkioAIR decided to ask them to hold their beer.
At this point, unless it's Cover, Anycolor, Phase, Kawaii, IdolEN, or Henya & The Hornies™®©, one might just gamble & go indie. :/
Still possible in Western spheres.
JP? You out of luck, no Indies there manage to reach corporate talent levels of viewership without somehow stumbling on a Viral hit on some stream.
@@andrehashimoto8056 ...true.
I recall Rin; Sora the Troll promotes her hard, but...
...I'm sad to say she's... bland on her own...
Henya & The Hornies lol
@@firstnamelastname8006 Hey. I coined it. Add the ™®©
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The massive big 2 are almost impossible to join (still worth a try tbh) since competition is so high.
Phase, Kawaii, IdolEN are honestly the better options for most indies, the problem is that even them are becoming very sought after, but given the chance they are an awesome second or third prize.
Henya & The Hornies just like the name implies needs you to be part of the hornies group before even attempting to join.
wactor is whack. Your CEO? Whack! Your name and brand recognition? Whack! Doxxing talents and possibly banging one of them? (unsubstantiated) WHACK! Even if they rebrand like, I dont think anything will change. Once a villain always a villain, it dont matter what your name is. No one will work for, or under you. At least other agencies have the intelligence to know they cant legitimately control peoples lives. Wactor doesnt want talents, they want puppets. So they can control every miniscule aspect of their lives. People they can treat like garbage and have not care. Unfortunately for them, soulless husks dont exist in the real world. People WILL fight back, and have.
The last line is accurate. There's so many small corpo tries to ride the vtuber wave. Recently in Indonesia, I've seen a case of horrible treatment from the company, terminating their talent because they went silent for months, the talent also complaining online, she hasn't got her payments. Then the company posts ALL the receipt of the talent's purchase for the vtuber, and ask the vtuber to pay back publicly.
Feels like a insane couple breakup story, rather than a termination
Do you know if Lea has another persona?
One thing that I think you could have emphasized is exactly how nuclear an issue the Vtuber community views doxxing. Looking at this video from the theoretical perspective of someone from outside, yes doxxing is bad and a health risk, but it is hardly a big enough deal to be such a serious part of Wactors reputational loss from the general community. Vtubing allows secrecy and separation from the IRL, and to even reveal the IRL name of ones Oshi that they have not themselves volunteered is considered one of the highest-level infractions. Hard doxxing them is basically the single worst sin a company can do bar none. Probably viewed worse than outright unfair termination frankly, because at least then your Oshi is no longer related to the bad company.
Doxxing is extremely dangerous for any internet content creator, not just vtubers.
@@guilguis4820 Sure, but it is much more sensitive topic in Vtubing. Because Streamers at least consent to streaming as their real selves and have themselves and their room on camera. Because of this, doxxing is a lot easier and simpler than it is for a Vtuber on average. In Vtubing there is a serious expectation of privacy about pretty much everything IRL and it is much MUCH harder to find enough info about them to dox them. Only their companies and sometimes other talents they have off-collabed with can really do it without serious difficulty. Which means the community views the power to do so as a taboo for them to ever use. I'm not saying streamers being doxxed isn't bad if they had been trying to keep it hidden. But Vtubers have a lot more power-dynamics relating to secrecy to begin with.
Frankly, a company that crosses that line doesn't deserve to recover. Some things you can't just walk away from and pretend it didn't happen. At least even if they try, I'm sure people will make sure they can't.
Just remembering these events makes me want to unleash my fury for all these guys, who are now taking refuge on that board that is deader than that crappy agency. Here is a fact that only a few know and that is that in their Discord server (Yes, the ideal Message Service for the worst aberrations that can come from a person) they literally did not care what happened to the girls, no I'm lying when I say one of the 3 disgusting moderators, public that he didn't care if a talent left, that in the end a new one would replace him.
Anyway, I still wonder how there are still people who believed the story of Hina vs. the Clips and who cling to W. For me, it is not difficult to come across really despicable users who criticize the girls (More like Meica for some reason) as guilty of a crime that they did not commit, knowing that there are people with clear xenophobic thoughts (R) and questionable reality mentalities (If you know what I mean), who are both outside and inside the girls' communities... people completely resentful of destroying their fantasy of having control over them... that makes me paranic.
Akira, like a good failed coward, if it weren't for his "Prodigious Ability" to contact really talented and charismatic people, he wouldn't have gotten as far as his own public put him. Because yes, W. didn't do much, everything was done by the Fans and the Talents. "Papa Smurf" just watched and filled his pockets with our money, while at the slightest form of protest to have better treatment, he will make the easiest decision, expel and dox her (In the worst case scenario).
Good video, actually, you included both old and current information, including a couple of videos that W. herself unsubscribed. Now, taking advantage of your confidence and the "Hispanica" theme, I was wondering if you were planning to talk about another agency that grew quickly when W. started to go down, maybe you know it, since some of its talents still collaborate with the girls (Meica and Nisha).
There's also the fact that when trying to push for EN, via Rurine Luna (another spanish speaking talent who only entered Wactor cuz she got inspired by Misora Hina) they made her do a few EN streams and then pregented her from doing them.
Then there's also (regarding Mitsurugi Lia and the CEO) pictures of a certain place, a certain room and some lil things that almost confirmed the special favors allegations
WACTOR pandered to latam.
That includes Mexico.
There's a possibility a cartel member watched one of the oshis.
They have the CEO's name.
We perform a little funky town.
There was an internal joke about narcos donating to Hina cuz 2 or 3 members used to give a lot of money in her stream.
Remember when actor wanted to sue one of the clippers based in michoacan and someone of Twitter said "que alguien le diga a wactor que la ley no existe en michoacan xd"
From a legal standpoint everyone laught at that as the AkioAir one.
My sister, who is a lawyer, told me they can't do jackshit unless she is abducted to that country and trial there, but THAT WILL BE EVEN MORE ILLEGAL too. Level of facism illegal. And this was when we're discussing about Nimu's yab on Twitch since she knows i had contact with Vtubers (mainly since i work with 2 Vtubers, 1 EN and 1 ES). So in all of this Wactor never had a legal standpoint because they try to trial under laws of another country and on top they commit slander 1st. SO in other words, the one losing was Wactor and not the talents who quit.
Wactor really is the worst. There might be some equally bad Chinese company in the space, but if we talk international agencies, there is simply no competition. Sad thing is that some of the models were so damn good and even if the talents still exist, it hurts to see some of the models get lost forever, especially if they were fitting the character really well.
MysteriaLive?
As much as we may joke about companies turning/being black, WACTOR being the serious standard for how black a company can get while not being completely in the shadows has been a constant for a while now.
One other issue is that, from what I can tell, WACTOR was one of the only 2 bigger companies to branch into the ES demographic, a demographic of the 2nd most common first-language in the world, the other being IDOL which hasn't even happened yet.
Well, there was also Sedai One... But it only had 6 VTubers at it's peak, and after losing half of them in quick succession just decided to disband.
Unlike Wactor who, having lost nearly their entire roster of some 2 dozen still refuses to give up
@@danielbritoperezyeah I missed that heroine with a skimpy outfit one. She shared the same designer as Crunchyroll-hime. Her name was Lily Endou
Wactor has become synonymous with Black Company and its well deserved
Kinda wild it all happen this year, it looks like something that happen years ago, although this year is almost over, it's crazy how fast things happen in the vtubber world.
It is only the worst one we know of... Yeah, sadly that statement aged all too well.
This is deffo up there though.
Tbh, if only WACTOR not being childish and keep being professional, I'm sure this agency seems promising especially for Spanish speaking fanbase. This agency could be popularized Spanish speaking Vtuber community as if Hololive creating HoloID.
Too bad we can't cry over the spilled milk, they already at rock bottom cause their own action.
I tbh deep condolences to WACTOR Boys because I really looking forward to them, and I also greeted by one of them when they're still active... it was nice to see them 😢😢
Bit late but I feel like I should add that Hina Misora, now Meica05, is doing great, in fact she's even happier that she was back then and is growing at a similar rythm to when she was Hina.
And she's not even scared of her community even tho she was doxxed! She moved countries but instead of keeping it a secret she's open about where she moved and even celebrated it when she got the country's nationality.
Even tho she went through so much she remains strong and keeps moving forward with true joy doing what she enjoys.
Fuck Wactor.
I would love to know all of the wactor talents that rebranded
You just need to follow Meica.
She is close to all the new indis, it feels like a generation of indis at this point XD.
We have recopilation of the new girls and videos but are in spanish
Hina Misora=meica05
Luna rurine=nisha nixyeva
Neon kuroyuri=eru nabura
Sezia haruma=shura hiwa
Mirelli kuuma=axtre lunaire
Himea d'maria=Yamu rozenheart
Yumi nekomiya=yukine olwin
Rose kurari=merun morino
Ito shinonome=natsuri nekoto
Anya okumura=sylvie ruru
Those are the ones I can remember right now, there are still more
@@roninsnake IIRC, Tsukito Hana became Reyu Yumeiri.
@@roninsnake you are so cool
@@roninsnake are any of them vsingers?
Wactor fr is Niji's inspiration.
I'm still mad at them, but at least the only good thing they did was creating the best ES VTubers i had the really good luck to met, i always wondered, depsite the good work they did Wactor didn't even aprecciated them, that was really insulting for most of the ES comunity. Many of them now are doing really good as indie VTubers and i still follow many of them, but some of them never returned and i still miss them, specially our Vampire Queen Himea, that really hurted a lot.
Va a volver para enero/febrero como Yamu, ya andaba a diciendo que bien podria volver como png antes de lo que ella planeo por la urgencia de stremear de nuevo XD.
@@enzomartinez2698 Un gusto saberlo, de verdad gracias, esto de encontrarlos se vuelve difícil cuando uno no tiene el dato correcto y mas si lleva un tiempo desaparecida. Así que a la espera de cualquier cosa.
The former Misora, now Meica, was forced to leave Japan after the doxxing, imagine having to leave your family and country right after finishing high school, all because your former boss exposes all your personal info to all Japan.
After the Hasekara incident, an event were a guy become the clown of the country after a goup of idiots doxing his personal info, all japanese people are aware of the danger of have their personal data public. And she being only half Japanese, fear the worst and choise to flee. (or thas is what i guess so).
She's better now, make new friends in Argentina, especiallly a nurse friend who take care of her health she likes or not, and is going to terapy regularly.
I would say that Wactor should be better by making new leaders and plans to finally become a stable Vtubing company in the future but it's too late due to the dramas.
I wish that even though I actually didn't know about the members and this company and only knew this for the first time, hopefully that Wactor will be finally revive again like it should be.
That's not gonna happen never, Sorry...
@@kurayamikishinkusanagi4598 I mentioned "It's too late due to dramas..."
Me gustaria agregar eventos de los que fuí testigo.
Existió una generacion posterior a la de Hina Misora, Laila, Kurari Rose y Suzu.
Dos de las se graduaron inmediatamente cumpliero el año, eran Pal sumeragi y Himari inumaki
(Sabian lo que se aproximaba) de esa generacion quedando luna Rurine quien hablaba español tambien.
De la siguiente tercera generacion (o cuarta) habia una hispano hablante que era Himea D'almaria
Y una angloparlante kuuma Mirellie y 3 japonesas mas Ito shinonome yue saohime y Mimi yukinoshita que pospuso su debut y cambio su nombre a Lea ( se especula que la chica contratada cambio de opinion y se retiró, la que la reemplazo pidio el cambio de nombre)
Yue desaparecio silenciosamente, ito argumenta que por una enfermedad de la vision tenia que descansar un tiempo y no regreso mas.
Cuando la generacion ES apareció y despues exploto la polemica con el doxxeo a Hina Misora una Chica de la generacion ES sufrio mucho y hizo un stream forzado para que aparentara que estaba todo bien, en ese stream la Chica llamada Neo estaba sollozando y a la chica Himea D'almaria se le obligo a hacer un stream donde estaba super nerviosa y practicamente era un rehen al que se le obligo a repetir el mismo comunicado que emitió la agencia donde ofrecian a los talentos, que se coordinaron en exponer sus casos injustos, ser reintegradas a la agencia y "olvidar todo" cosa en la que nadie confió.
El segundo miembro de la rama ES sezia Haruma eludia las preguntas relacionadas al tema al final todas dejaron en silencio la compañia siendo Himea la que tardó mas.
Actualmente lo que queda de wactor es una divisiom de chicas japonesas gamers y para llamar la atencion a toda costa se les ha hecho revelar su rostro (disimulando con cosplay y filtro) y a fecha de hoy 26 de enero de 2023 han anunciado que tendran sus cuentas cuentas "Fantia" (imaginen que es como un onlyfans mas suave) para llamar la atencion y atraer mas publico
Tambien se supo de un tweet de un ex moderador de kurari rose quien afirmo incluso con capturas de pantalla (no pondre su nombre ni enlace por respeto a ese hombre talentoso) donde explico que se desligaba de la empresa al que estaba voluntarimente trabajando por simpatia a Kurari Rose y al no deberle nada a nadie expresó que tuvo una experiencia muy extraña con Lia la cual lo contacto en privado y que hablaran en otro servidor donde se sentia segura y supuestamente donde la empresa no la veia, sobre los rumores entre Lia y Kurari Rose pues al parecer decia que habia un mal entendido y que queria conocer la version de los fans de Rose(esto fue ates de que Rose desapareciera). El no le dijo mucho y tiempo despues descubrio que en ese servidor donde le contactó si estaba la cuenta que usaba el CEO de wactor, entre los moderadores y eso le convenció que Lia Mentia pues la hubieran suspendido de inmediato. La misma Rose en su cuenta actual dio me gusta a esos tuits.
Ese chico convencio a muchos que habia algo muy raro con lia
Actualmente, el talento detras de Mitsurugi Lia tiene una cuenta y canal de youtube donde hace ASMR y tien su propia fantia, su imagen de perfil es colo un fanart de su avatar Lia.
Actualmente Luna Rurine, Neon sezia , Himea, regresaron independiente
Los moderadores voluntarios del discord de wactor tambien fueron contra las chicas y Hina Misora se especula que tenian contavto cercao con ella y que alguno se les insinuó y lo rechazo y ellos ayudaron a doxearlas. Tambien se comportaron muy despreciablemente con el resto de fans y con ktros moderadores de ahi que "Zona X" perdiera su canal de clips y decidiera romper el silencio.
Pero esto ultimo es mas una rencilla entre moderadores que lamian botas y los que estuvieron en desacuerdo de lo que les pasó a las chicas.
A un compañero miembro famoso del fandom lo amenazaron tambien con emprender acciones legales, el era de los que mas donaba pero el gestionó con la embajada de japon en mexico y tomaron acciones contra la amenaza.
Actualmente solo hay casos abiertos confirmados con Merun Morino (Kurari Rose) y Meica (Hina Misora) pues ellas mismas han confirmado que son las unicas con procesos aun abiertos pero sin llegar a nada tampoco.
Yo estoy de su parte y rezo porque superen ese obstaculo y entierren para siempre ese mal momento que es un lastre a su felicidad
Gracias por agregar más información, si no es mucha molestia podría decirme como se llaman los canales actuales de quienes interpretaban a Lia y Himea? Son las únicas que les perdí el rostro y me gustaría ver que tal lo están haciendo
@@tono423No sé la de Lia pero de Himea es Yamu Rozenheart.
@@tono423Mitsurugi Lia retired 2 weeks after she went indie, stating "mental abuse"
i was there... it was as crazy as it sounds or maybe even more. They shut down clip channels and even attempted to doxx members of the fan community. not every day you get to see such spectacular fall of a company...
fortunaltely most of the talents are fine or even great nowadays and those who decided to stay are finding success and doing their best.
They're small company with low budget
How come they have the audacity to make fun their talents?
Is the founder just jump at the train hype without knowledge?
Next should be the downfall of AkioAIR.
One if them still has problems time to time with this even when it's all over... It's depressing that she have to suffer over and over
Who as I've forgotten because I think I might be subscribed to her but not watched in a very long time.
I have discovered that mitsurugi lia after almost 7 months from attempting to take her life returned to RUclips making content at the end of September and seeming better in health which is good to see.
There is something good that came out of this crappy company. Hina + three girls from the ES branch are doing great being indie and they collaborate a lot between them.
It's nice to see that their friendship remained after this.
Please cover the incident of Unlimited Corp(now renamed as Brave Group)abuse their Game Club Project talents.
Seconded.
Brave Group is interesting because they've went through some of the darkest moments a Vtuber agency has gone through, but Brave Group learned from its mistakes and is now once again one of the Elite Orgs in Vtubing.
It's should be 3 part series, the first covering thd Game Bu Era, the 2nd being the slow turnaround after, and the 3rd being about their huge expansion this year.
Sagi, are you aware of the fact that Brave Group had been growing its EN division at a faster rate than Nijisanji did with Niji EN?
It's flying over peoples heads because it's split across three different brands. But V4Mirai's 2nd Gen got 3D in a month after debut.
@@FDW137 No way, they are V4Mirai? I haven't been following since the game bu fiasco, that's a good turnaround.
@lucasLSD Yeah, the old CEO got pushed out, and the new one (Who was an executive there when it was Unlimited) worked on rebuilding Brave Groups goodwill in Japan.
Then they purchased Vspo (Because the Vspo talents wanted, but couldn't afford 3D), and things went vertical.
They announced V4Mirai (V4Mirai refers to itself as Brave Groups first EN project), and then immediately launched Globie Social (their 2nd EN project, but focused on the EU, and emulating Niji EN), and Vspo very quickly followed up by announcing EN and CN branches.
Globie Social had their debuts earlier this month, and Vspo ENs 1st gen is going to be announced at the beginning of February.
They're doing an incredible amount of stuff on the JP side, setting up their own version of Virtual Talent Academy, and bringing Vtubing legends HIMEHINA into the agency.
I have no clue how all these wild announcements are going to play out, but Brave Group is the single most ambitious Vtuber agency RN.
@@FDW137whoa bud you really are a big shill huh. You just didn't mention that globie and vmirai are 2view for months and haven't even reached 20k. You said it's growing like NIjiEN did but that's not true as it has much less viewers and subscribers at the same time as lazulight had in 2021. Brave is creating a ton of different agencies with none of them outside of vspo having good numbers z and vspo itself was a buy out and is managed independent from them by the original company who owned it
yeah i was waiting for you to make this video, this was a big thing
Wait so they still have talents?? How??? Who in their right mind stay in an agency like wactor?
Japanese talents mostly, my theory is that they want a solid fanbase before leaving
Fun fact: 2 of them revealed their faces (Himeragi ageha and Mahiru Kumaboshi) and it's theorized they were forced by WACTOR (Tbf Ageha seems to be okay with showing her face to the point of cosplaying her avatar)
well...... I saw a lot of my oshis desapiear in the worst way posible... but they are doing relly well now as indis :'D
don't know if you're a natural english speaker or learned it, but to help you out, its spelled disappear, really, and possible! sorry if this comment seems rude, just here to help!
we need a part 2
Good video. The Wactor case is one of those that I investigated the most at the time. Here is a little of what I experienced:
In January 2023 I was a little away from the vtuber topic. It no longer caught my attention, but still from time to time a funny clip of some vtubers would appear. The clips that appeared were of Misora Hina and some other Wactor girls. I had already heard about Misora before, she was quite popular in the Spanish community, especially in Latin America, some classifying her as the biggest vtuber in the community, becoming nominated for several awards along with another talent called Rurine Luna, another Wactor talent.
At the end of January I was on Twitter when the first bomb of that year went off. Hina Misora is missing and several of her classmates are starting to disappear too. I was immediately interested in all the chaos that was being generated, since I was dedicated to scripting videos for a channel in which I collaborated, I started to investigate.
I discovered several things and rumors about past events. The Shino Laila and Kurari Rose case, the rumor that some vtubers were disappeared for deleting company information, the pattern of disappearances that in most cases was due to illness and from there Wactor no longer said anything, the matter of Lia and her CEO, among many other things that it would take me to explain.
As the days went by and I discovered more things, the uncertainty, fear and desperation of the fans increased when Rurine Luna, one of the girls who collaborated the most with Hina, made an announcement that she would take a break. The fact is that this announcement was poorly written, as if they had used a translator, without a doubt Luna did not write that. Neon Kuroyuri, Wactor ES talent, was suddenly absent without warning, her last tweet said that she was sleepy.
The rumors that Hina had already been fired grew worse and people began to ask the company for explanations, some rudely, but others very politely. Either of them were banned from Twitter accounts. The madness of the Discord server also happened, where the moderators banned anyone who asked about Hina, Luna or Neon. There was a special chat for Hina fans, however they deleted it and the alarms increased. And despite all this Wactor continued without saying anything.
A couple of days passed and the announcement was made that legal action would be taken against anyone who spoke ill of Wactor, since that was the moment where the rumor of the CEO and Lia having a relationship spread and where the CEO was most doxed, but also to some girls by people who to date it isn't known if they were fans who wanted to help find the missing girls irresponsibly or if they were haters or people from Wactor.
I remember that at that moment it was discovered that Luna on her Twitter had left likes for very varied tweets that formed a farewell message to her fans. That's something that made me very sad, but that's not where it ends. Neon suddenly returned and streamed. She seemed sad and was trying to calm people down, but in the end it seemed like a farewell more than a normal stream. Wactor had used her as a failed smoke screen, only to disappear again. Another talent named Himea was made to read a written script in which she stood against her friends. People began to unsubscribe from all the talents, there was a kind of massive doxing of Wactor, until suddenly Meica appeared. They recognized her from a voice clip and then other talents who had been missing also came together to support Meica. They soon talked about Wactor in public, making a counter move that the company did not know how to respond to.
Several vtuber news media had heard about the case, but did not give it enough importance. Wactor was really a very bad company with his talents, forcing them to do and say things they didn't want to, disappearing them when they were no longer convenient without even giving notice to his fans, deleting her work and doxing those who stood against him. Currently Wactor lost all of its past Vtubers, including Hizuki Miu, who was the company's first talent. Now they only have a branch called VV-Gamers, they no longer focus on Spanish. Good luck to those girls and I hope history doesn't repeat itself.
For me, the Wactor case was one of those that generated the most suspense and helplessness, but with a happy ending. Meica and most of the girls who have become independent are fine and the company that took advantage of them has fallen into misery. I think it is one of the biggest cases that the Spanish community had in terms of vtubers and there are too many very shady cases out there...
That's all from me, sorry for the long text and happy new year.
No matter what they did Wactor is done for. Just hoping remaining talent that still inside wactor can get away safely in a way. Hope laws in their country favor thems. But idk how talent in Japan does tho, since its infamous japanese laws often favor companies, public figure or more famous party than the workers/civilians. Leading to many un alive issues that persist for decades in Japan (Talk about low crime rate lmao).
You realize you can and should use the word suicide in comments like this, right? While RUclips will demonetize a video for using that word, they don't go after comments that happen to contain that word.
Using a euphemism like "un alive" is only really an acceptable thing when you are forced to do so by the platform you're using. Using a euphemism diminishes the impact of what you are saying. This has the unintentional effect of minimizing the impact that depression and suicide has on people's lives, and the lives of those around them.
Suicide is a serious problem in many countries, especially Japan, Korea, and India, among others. And it should absolutely be something that is discussed openly. It is often seen as something shameful for the surviving families of the victims, and we need to fight against that stigma.
@@Bobbias I repeatedly get my comments deleted when using these words before in some other channels tho. So thats why rather than it being deleted. I forced to input these weird words lol.
I agree its not japan exclusively but entire Asia. The eastern work culture that belittle mental damages and exhaustion and that kind of work culture infecting every workplace nowadays. While it propelled the comanies to the top of the market, it cost so many life. But until facing the population decline (3 prominent asia countries Japan, China, and Korea have this exact problems) bcs they dont have time to date/having families, care for others and very expensive educations/living cost. Its really hard to make changes especially if majority already get used to it, as we all know people are always afraid of changes especially companies bcs that work culture make them rich in the 1st place.
@@Nahan_Boker94 if you include links in your posts, RUclips will delete them. That's been by far the most common reason for any of my posts being deleted.
If you aren't posting links and they're still being deleted, perhaps people are mass reporting your comments for some reason, at which point you need to consider what you're saying, and how you're saying it.
They had a lot of potential and they wasted it. It even became (supposedly, I never saw the proof that confirmed it) the third most succesful Japanese Vtuber agency at some point, and they screwed it all. And it's such a shame because most of their avatars were really well made and had an excellent design. Even better than many from Holo or Niji. Also the collabs of some of the members were incredibly fun and entertaining, especially Hina and Laila. I'm glad that most of the talents are back now, as independient vtubers or in better agencies, but it's still sad that some of those things are lost forever now.
One of the things that upsets me most is what happened to Lia, and it was all for rumors that never were confirmed. She has an unique personality and is really fun, but many people took her as a scapegoat just to vent their frustration over W. So what happened to her really sucks.
I'm glad that Hina and Luna, now Meica and Koa, are in IdolES now and will keep growing in popularity. This even could even open the chance of getting ES branches in the most popular agencies.
I'm not entirely sure it's her but I think it is from recent events kinda confirming it but the person behind lia returned to streaming late September after over half a year of recovering from what happened to her when making that attempt. She seems in a better place and aiming to debut a vtuber model by this fall from what I read
Good morning, Spanish speakers. It's time for watching the worst vtubing "kuro" company in their community. 😢
Yay~
I can't describe how much the spanish community had hope of having their representation in vtubing. I remember even a guy who say Wactor will take over Hololive spanish fanbase (LOL). They were all great girls and I'm happy they are doing what they like.
I was there when WACTOR made the spanish community their focus, i saw the ads of Miu and Lia speaking spanish and got hooked inmediatly even if their spanish was like Miko's english it was fun to watch them and they made the trend of Japanese vtubers learning spanish, at that time i always said that "If we don't get HoloES or NijiES soon Wactor will take over that market" but then it hit the fan and the whole spanish community started hating and still hates WACTOR up to this day, there are some people who support the last 4 remaining members
In the end i miss some of the Vtubers that did not reincarnated (Miu and Lia) but i think it's best for both of them to stay away, mostly because at least Lia still has haters (The one of the sonic pfp mostly)
Tbf, with some competence, this might have panned out.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
Without a CEO that's a POS yeah
That guy'd have probably been me...
More recently, looks like Wactor (now called 910 inc.) is opening auditions to their already graduated vtubers they have, they literally took this personally to be the worst vtuber agency as possible.
Thanks god meica05 is achieving success on her own. It is sad that hina misora, luna rurine will now be taken over other and might suffer the same abuse
By publicly doxxing their own talents, Wactor invented a new kind of stupid,
a “damage they could never undo” kind of stupid,
an “open all the cages in the zoo” kind of stupid,
a “Truly, they didn’t think this through?” kind of stupid!
So scared of what their enemies might do to them,
yet they’re the only enemy they ever seem to lose to!
Do y’all know why COVER can do what they want?
They don’t dignify school-level taunts with a response!
you are very good at story telling. love your vids. keep it up!
¡Justicia por MISOPITA! Ni Perdón, ni olvido.
Lo bueno es que todo termina de manera positiva para todos ellos
Eso ha sonado muy argentino...
I don't know if this is appropriate to say this or not, but I recently found out that my ex-boyfriend who harassed me and did some borderline illegal things, works for this company. Figures... corrupt people attract each other.
they also put me an strike bc i made a cover of one of their songs 💀
YO, BLOOD DRAGON MUSIC AT THE START! HYPE!
Ahem... anyway, Wactor, more like, WACKtor.
I came here since I just watched a video that Wactor is coming back and rebranding so I came here to understand more of Wactor. This is the craziest company I have heard of in the Vtuber industry. This is the first I have heard of companies doxxing their own talents.
"IT IS ONLY THE WORST WE KNOW OF" - DP.
Dayum thats a thought. This is why i really enjoy Indies only.
What's surprising is why does that company even be a black company in the first place? It doesn't take a fool to know that there's definitely no merit in doing that. If there is, It's only the profits that they gained during the early phase.
If only this company started without Its dark intentions, they surely must've been one of the top big companies now.
For anyone wondering what's the bgm at the start:
It's part of the Dying Light OST. Amazing game, amazing OST.
What was the story for the vtuber he's referencing at 00:33
I think that's Hane Yomeguri, but I'm not familiar with what happened to her.
Hana Yomeguri, nothing happened to her, she still streams.
@@FalloutWastelander520 Thanks for the info
She was a Vtuber for a company before becoming Indie, but the company went bankrupt and it seems that she had bad experiences about it. From what she said in a stream, she wasn't paid what she deserved, and she even received harassment from someone in the company (specifically, disgusting comments about 'liking young people like her').
this is extremely sad, i was wondering what happened to Hina just to find all this crap about doxxing and terrible management. I hope she is doing fine and that Wactors CEO Akira never gets a chance to get into this scene again... just terrible
JUSTICIA PARA PLANTITA!!!!
Apology video doko?
IT'S COMING OKAY
Apology abt what?
@@DepressedNousagiyeah 👍 Roasting Vtuber Awards. Let's go!!!! Bau bau bau bau
@@manusiabumi7673 Spoiler from the Vtuber awards…
So basically Depressed Nousagi did a watch along of the vtuber awards and apparently a lot of his predictions of who would win awards were wrong, and so him and chat agreed that if Pekora didn’t win vtuber of the year, he would have to do an apology video. You can probably guess the outcome with the comment above as the award went to Ironmouse. Although tbf I don’t think there was a Japanse vtuber that won an award iirc, which makes sense since the voter demographic is in the US.
The apology video should be done Completionist style and threaten to sue at the end.
Guess who's back now, and even reusing their favorite chuba model too!
I want a comparison is it nijikuro the worse now or wactor
My thoughts on wactor extend beyond just vtubers themselves but to the mentality of a black company. A black company that runs things under the table in japan can legally still pursue defamation against anyone saying negative things about them regardless of whether those claims are true. As such this seems to be the common strategy employed by black companies to try to control workers under them. It falls apart when crossing international borders as we see here, but they are stuck in their way of thinking. There appears from a western pov, to be a norm of power dynamic of upholding the speech of a company while suppressing the speech of a worker/consumer that is not the norm in the west. (think about companies verbally harrassing or threatening a product reviewer to leave a positive review, to take down a negative review on amazon or ebay, or to fraudulently report a negative review in order to get it removed for made-up reasons)
I would guess that reputable companies dont try to exploit this since they know the optics of exercising self control (even if there is legal allowance), but black companies like wactor do because they ignore the optics of having self-control in these situations because there is a legal allowance of this sort of behavior and they dont have enough reputation in the first place to be worth preserving.
Basic advice to be gleaned from this is not to trust a corp with no reputation if they dont show evidence that they value fairness or integrity behind the scenes.
And even if they do, one needs to be careful and see if they can show you they value those things even when nobody is looking.
On extra information, Laila was growing big until she get suspended for ridiculous reasons. Rose and Suzu was big on bilibili but Rose was expulsed and some drama happens because of bad management with Suzu before she leaves. Also, some of the ones that wasn't named on the video have good grown rates before what happens with Hina, they was Rurine Luna, Neon and Himea but the first 2 left almost inmediadlly when Hina was fired
And even to this day, they still don't learn...
I just discovered Meica recently. I had no idea she was originally in Wactor.
Sadly, there very few spanish-speaking vtubers. Most of them are indies and they are very small.
Probably Wactor's reputation hurted so much the spanish audience that is very hard to new vtubers make a way through it
The bigger ones are meica and emikukis recently is gaining big traction.
Man, the whole wactor stuff was bigger in some regards that I didnt know.
Tbh, the whole Wactor fiasco ruined a bit more my views in SPA vtubers, it wasnt good when the whole Nimu & Suwie drama happened, and Wactor cemented my views in some sides, even then, props for the fans going to aid Meica and the other girls to stand a little better after so much harm. While currently my views in SPA/LatAm vtubers is a bit muddy having in mind always the past controversies, at least I can see now that there are some that I can say are entretaining and kinda hoping if IdolES gets golden see what could be a good corpo on SPA.
The problem with the Vtubers ES community is usually a cultural thing. The humor and way of being of the people here is very... Chaotic, and many people tend to be quite controversial in themselves, especially if we talk about influencers.
For example, I've never seen anything from Nimu. Nothing. At most, his few-minute chat with Hina was quite a while ago. But I did find out about your controversy, and as an Argentine I can say that it is the ABC of how people work in this country. She didn't surprise me at all, in other words, she is a textbook Argentinian.
So it's not that the community is bad. We have our things, like everyone else, but in general the problem is more with certain sectors that are quite toxic, and if you avoid them then there are no major problems.
Japanese need to understand that they are building company not only for Japan market BUT also international market. They need to abide to international culture and not bringing their work culture to outside. Black companies are common in Japan so this kind of practices might seem normal to them, but these are nails to the coffin if they force it into outside world.
They would not, as the most stubborn nationality of Japanese
And last time i've checked all members and staffs we're disappearing it's safe to say they was escaped from Wactor's jail
Shino Laila how come i forgot him again
Good video DN
the worst?
there's always akio air
Their name and logo make them look like a villain organization from a The Incredible TV series.
Misopa ❤️