I have a mother with narcissistic personality disorder. She likes to accuse me of committing crimes against her that I have never committed. For example, one time I cleaned the mantle of the fireplace, and she went on a rampage that one of the paintings above it was missing. She concocted a paranoid fantasy that I had smashed the painting, then discarded it in a dumpster down the street. You know, to get rid of the evidence. Now bear in mind, I had not wanted to clean this mantle to begin with, because I knew how absolutely batshit crazy she got about people touching her precious antiques. The only reason I decided to go against my better judgement and clean it was because my young nieces had stuck gum all over it, including on the back of her paintings. And if she found that before I did, let's just say... It would have been a bad day. So I cleaned the mantle. But before I did, I took several photographs of the fireplace. These photos served two purposes: one, to ensure that I would be able to put every single object back exactly the way it was, thereby hopefully avoiding her attention, and two, to cover my ass. Lo and behold, that very day, she noticed the mantle was clean. Somehow she had not noticed the gum that was there all this time, which is truly beyond me. She insisted that a painting was missing and that I had stolen it, smashed it, discarded it, blah blah blah. I'm calling the police, get out of my house, insert screaming tirade here. When I presented her with the photo, timestamps and all, she went dead silent. I pointed out how none of the dust in the photo had a clean spot where a missing painting would have been sitting. She was speechless, utterly speechless. She did not speak to me for the rest of the week. In this situation, it would be completely futile -- if not totally insane -- for me to take ownership of a crime I did not commit. I can't control my mother's insane delusions. What I can control, however, is whether or not I continue to have a relationship with such a person. In a few days, I will finally have enough money saved to move into my own townhouse, and let me tell you, it feels like I'm breaking out of prison. If you find yourself dealing with someone who's clearly mentally ill, and is willing to dishonestly incriminate you to look like a victim, you need to take extreme ownership of yourself by getting out of that situation by all means necessary. If that means finding a new job, do it. If that means cutting ties with certain members of your family, do it. It's not your fault that they're a nut job. But if you allow this behavior as a norm by sticking around, and allowing yourself to be bullied in such a way, then you are, in some way, at fault for the situation. This is good news. Because by recognizing you're control, you can take charge of the problem. And you can free yourself.
@@thundergrace my Nana rip used to come back from the market fuming every day and weighing all the produce because the stall sellers cheated her in her mind. She would scream bloody murder for an hour until she triple checked every purchase and had to accept they didn't cheat her. I wish I made this up.
@@livmilesparanormalromanceb6891 I had to eventually cut ties with all toxic people, irrespective of blood ties. My sanity, peace, and well-being overrides their propensity to lie, gas-light, and accuse me of ridiculous things.
That's the conundrum of extreme ownership. I think people like the concept under a false premise. Like when I take extreme ownership, they'll applaud me. Or they above me will also take ownership.
Odin Aesthetic my problem with it is one can do everything right and still get blamed by toxic supervision who got their position by being experts at blaming others. And so saying I’m to blame just hurts oneself. Extreme ownership is okay, but there is a lot more to it
It's easier to work with specifics in these cases....almost always, there is some aspect of the problem I can own. If I keep blaming others or just allow myself to do nothing and get stuck inside of a situation, then I'm in trouble. Even if your boss is a nut and has a personality disorder you can take ownership....I can read up on bosses with this problem and work around them or find ways to talk to them that seem to work out better or I can say "hey, I didn't realize you were actually this difficult to work with and so I'm looking for a new job where I can get my work done and feel good about working there." You can own ignorance and not knowing with correcting that ignorance and taking constructive action in some form. Jocko never says you have to stay in a particular situation.
My boss was yelling at our whole crew.A costly mistake had occurred on my days off.The man who made the mistake wouldn’t own up to it .So I took the blame.Boss left feeling better.Ten min later he was back yelling that I was off when it happened.lol he busted the. Guy who did it
Technically it was your fault; it was you fault for being off during that period. Maybe it wouldn't have happened if you'd been present. Just some humor, but did you knowingly take ownership of that mistake for some recognition because you knew that eventually they'd find out you were off during that period? Does that qualify as E.O. ? Only Jocko knows....
'Extreme ownership' is absolute new age bullshit. Nobody in the corporate world notices. Nobody cares. Everyone is too busy building their power-bases, spending a disproportionate amount of time telling everyone how much work they do (vs. actually working), and stabbing each other in the front. I saw managers who worked every hour in the day be discarded. I saw people lose their marriages. I saw people lose their morals, chasing that bonus, acting without any integrity whatsoever. I expected professionalism in the corporate world, and found myself back in the kindergarten sand-pit.
so in a work situation you are too become the fall guy for others screw ups ? I dont get it. surely after "your" 100th mistake (made by others) your gonna get fired? bit late then to say Hey Boss I was just practising extreme ownership. 🤔
Making sure others do their jobs is also a skill. If you practice extreme ownership, take the blame for other's mistakes and then still let them do these mistakes again, you're still at fault.
I think the point is that you show that you are implementing measures to mitigate and resolve all those faults. And that this facilitates the team mission. After all, faults are not something one runs out of in real life :D
As a leader, you don't simply take the blame, you look at yourself and see what you could have done better. Establish guidelines or processes that will stop the problem from happening next time, for example
Jocko, I think there's an unspoken flipside to extreme ownership. For good leadership, taking all the blame should be coupled with sharing all the credit, no? So while all the problems might be my fault, all the victories have to be shared with everyone who helped get there.
What if you are accused, arrested and thrown in prison for a false rape allegation without the chance to defend yourself in court. How do you take extreme ownership for this? This happens all too often.
or like in my case. I got falsely and maliciously divorced while keeping my word to raise my kids from birth til middle scgool.... then just said sorry I ruined your life... also a sorry not sorry kind of thing!
Richard James. Never. But I didn’t realise it had to happen to me before I could bring up the issue and start a conversation. Going by this logic only people that have been raped, physically attacked, robbed or any other heinous crime can only be addressed and discussed by people who are victims of this. Having said this. I do know someone who had this exact thing happen to him and as he researched what happened to him he found this is an all too common occurrence . Would that quality for me to be able to open a discussion on the subject? If not then I guess politicians wouldn’t be able to address issues that haven’t personally effect them.
I don't see why giving an explanation for why you're sorry is a bad thing? Doesn't it show that you actually took the time to think about it and understand what you did wrong?
It's not just time though....you have to manage your energy well or else you can fail there as well. There are a lot of very subtle things to manage....your attitude, your focus, etc. You have to own those factors as well.
I 100% agree with the RUclips point. It's ironic that I can use RUclips to procrastinate and piss away a morning, while watching educational videos like these. Facepalm. At least I'm learning, but surfing RUclips is definitely leaking time lol
Extreme ownership is about giving yourself consequences! Instead of letting yourself get out of things and carrying on making the same mistakes. If you avoid the consequences you'll never have a reason to learn. That might mean taking shit or losing an opportunity, but the next time an opportunity presents itself you won't let yourself fuck up because you know you can't get out of it if you do!
I agree to a point. It seems like what the writer is saying is that the guys above him are some form of bully, narcissist, or other type of personality disorder that uses any excuse to humiliate him. In that instance, I would put forward the idea that sometimes keeping your mouth shut and just doing the work is a more effective approach to dealing with that kind of environment.
I am not sure I'm getting this extreme ownership thing, You make a mistake or can't perform to the required level, ok my fault boss I'll fix it, nope your fired. I suppose it is your fault for working for this kind of organisation in the first place. Accepting liability for every crash that happens though you know what's going to happen your insurance premiums are going to sky rocket.
Am I supposed to take ownership when I do exactly what I'm told and I know it won't work but the boss is directly telling me to do something so I do it and things go wrong? On one hand I'm not supposed to argue with a superior and on the other I know what I'm being told to do won't work. Then when it doesn't work I get blamed for doing what I was told! One example, I was knocking out a top fire block from the top of a brick wall. I said, it's ready to drop, boss says "go for it" so I bumped it out. He yells out dammit that's exactly what I didn't want to happen from the other side of the wall, as if I could see through the brick wall! I said you said go for it, he said, yes, I did. I got off the scaffolding to see what happened, I asked what's wrong? What happened? He yells at me "leave me the f alone man!" I just put my hands in the air and then grabbed a broom! Figuring, ok I get paid the the same on the floor with a broom as I do in the air with a sledgehammer. What should I have done? Oh yeah I later learned he was standing too close and a chunk of rock had hit his leg. He worked the rest of the week fine though so how bad could it have been? And why was he that close to a wall in the process of being demolished?
Well, as far as I can tell, this extreme ownership concept demands an extreme competence concept: you can only take the first if you have the later. Responsibility is a word derived from latin verb "respondere", wich means, to answer. People that know the "answer" for the "problem" can fix the situation, and, as soon it it is fixed, the problem of "blame" looses it weight in the scenario. Once fixed the main thing, one should also have a nice look on this lateral problem, that is, to go after the reasons other people use to blame others...
My problem is this: Something gets screwed up at my work. My boss comes to me about it. Ok. I get that it's my fault, it is my responsibility. I ask questions because i legitimately do not understand how i screwed up those parts. My boss takes that as me arguing with him amd trying to shirk responsibility. I try to explain to him that I'm not doing that. He doesn't believe me. I've never been good with blindly following orders. It helps me to understand the why. It helps my productivity and efficiency to understand how my process fits into the larger process so I don't waste time or material using other methods that DO work and seem to be faster, but maybe have a higher chance of failure than the "established" method.
Dont ask questions. State what your plan is to solve the problem. If its your responsibility and you are asking questions to resolve it, you are not taking ownership. If you provide a method of resolution and they point you in a different direction. If you can recognize the discrepancy, if you can identify the most likely causality, you can create a solution
When I need to make decisions and nobody is around higher up the chain to check with, I do what I feel is best. And I document what I did, and let my bosses know what I did, and if I messed up in that decision, they usually come back with letting me know that I should of done it a different way, or show me how to best deal with those type of scenarios.
How do you deal with people that never blame themselves even when they make alot of mistakes and when you make one mistake they try to call you out on it?Two of my teammates on my soccer team do this,when they do this I try to just ignore them.Am i doing the right thing?
First thing, if they don't blame themselves, cool. As Jocko said, they're digging their own grave, long term, because they're not trying to improve. Secondly. The problem I see is if they exaggerate your mistakes, more than what was the case. Let's say you did 1 thing wrong, but they blame you for 3 things going wrong. In the middle of a confusing game, you believe them. You try to fix 3 things, even though it wasn't your fault, and you can't fix all 3 mistakes. It can get to you after a while, and you need to recognize when it does. What to do? Ask a friend who know you if you're being a whiny bitch about it and letting it get to you. IF you're a neurotic individuals who has a lot of negative emotions, chill out, find some other activity. Chances are you'll find mature people elsewhere. The alternative is that they're being extreme about calling you out. Let say they overly exaggerate, more than what is common. IF it's the latter case, then gradually let them know you don't like their behavior. Stand up for yourself, but don't take a 180 degree turn and bash their head in with a brick. That usually doesn't end well. Identify what's wrong, and fix it.
If you've got a good and respectable coach, talk to him about it. If not I would recommend take each teamate one by one outside of crowds and calmly talk out your problem with them. If they still continue. Laugh it off and counterattack by calling them out on their mistakes with exageration.
I have a mother with narcissistic personality disorder. She likes to accuse me of committing crimes against her that I have never committed. For example, one time I cleaned the mantle of the fireplace, and she went on a rampage that one of the paintings above it was missing. She concocted a paranoid fantasy that I had smashed the painting, then discarded it in a dumpster down the street. You know, to get rid of the evidence.
Now bear in mind, I had not wanted to clean this mantle to begin with, because I knew how absolutely batshit crazy she got about people touching her precious antiques. The only reason I decided to go against my better judgement and clean it was because my young nieces had stuck gum all over it, including on the back of her paintings. And if she found that before I did, let's just say... It would have been a bad day.
So I cleaned the mantle. But before I did, I took several photographs of the fireplace. These photos served two purposes: one, to ensure that I would be able to put every single object back exactly the way it was, thereby hopefully avoiding her attention, and two, to cover my ass.
Lo and behold, that very day, she noticed the mantle was clean. Somehow she had not noticed the gum that was there all this time, which is truly beyond me. She insisted that a painting was missing and that I had stolen it, smashed it, discarded it, blah blah blah. I'm calling the police, get out of my house, insert screaming tirade here.
When I presented her with the photo, timestamps and all, she went dead silent. I pointed out how none of the dust in the photo had a clean spot where a missing painting would have been sitting. She was speechless, utterly speechless. She did not speak to me for the rest of the week.
In this situation, it would be completely futile -- if not totally insane -- for me to take ownership of a crime I did not commit. I can't control my mother's insane delusions. What I can control, however, is whether or not I continue to have a relationship with such a person. In a few days, I will finally have enough money saved to move into my own townhouse, and let me tell you, it feels like I'm breaking out of prison.
If you find yourself dealing with someone who's clearly mentally ill, and is willing to dishonestly incriminate you to look like a victim, you need to take extreme ownership of yourself by getting out of that situation by all means necessary. If that means finding a new job, do it. If that means cutting ties with certain members of your family, do it. It's not your fault that they're a nut job. But if you allow this behavior as a norm by sticking around, and allowing yourself to be bullied in such a way, then you are, in some way, at fault for the situation. This is good news. Because by recognizing you're control, you can take charge of the problem. And you can free yourself.
@@thundergrace my Nana rip used to come back from the market fuming every day and weighing all the produce because the stall sellers cheated her in her mind. She would scream bloody murder for an hour until she triple checked every purchase and had to accept they didn't cheat her. I wish I made this up.
@@andagain9826 that's crazy! You'd think these people would have more important things to worry about.
@@thundergrace While I am a fiction writer, as well as a freelance copywriter, this is a true story. I truly wish it wasn't.
@@livmilesparanormalromanceb6891 I had to eventually cut ties with all toxic people, irrespective of blood ties. My sanity, peace, and well-being overrides their propensity to lie, gas-light, and accuse me of ridiculous things.
Just know your mom is crazy and it's not you.
... i waste my time listening to jocko telling me how i waste my time ... what a weirdly sad way to realize that lul
That's the conundrum of extreme ownership. I think people like the concept under a false premise.
Like when I take extreme ownership, they'll applaud me. Or they above me will also take ownership.
Agree, it's so you can solve the problem!!
Odin Aesthetic my problem with it is one can do everything right and still get blamed by toxic supervision who got their position by being experts at blaming others. And so saying I’m to blame just hurts oneself. Extreme ownership is okay, but there is a lot more to it
It's easier to work with specifics in these cases....almost always, there is some aspect of the problem I can own. If I keep blaming others or just allow myself to do nothing and get stuck inside of a situation, then I'm in trouble.
Even if your boss is a nut and has a personality disorder you can take ownership....I can read up on bosses with this problem and work around them or find ways to talk to them that seem to work out better or I can say "hey, I didn't realize you were actually this difficult to work with and so I'm looking for a new job where I can get my work done and feel good about working there." You can own ignorance and not knowing with correcting that ignorance and taking constructive action in some form.
Jocko never says you have to stay in a particular situation.
My boss was yelling at our whole crew.A costly mistake had occurred on my days off.The man who made the mistake wouldn’t own up to it .So I took the blame.Boss left feeling better.Ten min later he was back yelling that I was off when it happened.lol he busted the. Guy who did it
Lmao i had a similar situation, but just gotta get it over with and move on!
I got promoted other guy got demoted!
Success taste oh so swet
Technically it was your fault; it was you fault for being off during that period. Maybe it wouldn't have happened if you'd been present.
Just some humor, but did you knowingly take ownership of that mistake for some recognition because you knew that eventually they'd find out you were off during that period? Does that qualify as E.O. ? Only Jocko knows....
I just wanted him to stop yelling at everyone.Ibdidnt think he was smart enough to catch I was out
'Extreme ownership' is absolute new age bullshit.
Nobody in the corporate world notices. Nobody cares. Everyone is too busy building their power-bases, spending a disproportionate amount of time telling everyone how much work they do (vs. actually working), and stabbing each other in the front.
I saw managers who worked every hour in the day be discarded. I saw people lose their marriages. I saw people lose their morals, chasing that bonus, acting without any integrity whatsoever.
I expected professionalism in the corporate world, and found myself back in the kindergarten sand-pit.
Why does Jocko look like the moon😆😆
so in a work situation you are too become the fall guy for others screw ups ? I dont get it. surely after "your" 100th mistake (made by others) your gonna get fired? bit late then to say Hey Boss I was just practising extreme ownership. 🤔
Making sure others do their jobs is also a skill. If you practice extreme ownership, take the blame for other's mistakes and then still let them do these mistakes again, you're still at fault.
I think the point is that you show that you are implementing measures to mitigate and resolve all those faults. And that this facilitates the team mission. After all, faults are not something one runs out of in real life :D
there is a dichotomy to ownership. Like everything in life, balance is key.
As a leader, you don't simply take the blame, you look at yourself and see what you could have done better. Establish guidelines or processes that will stop the problem from happening next time, for example
I'd like to buy Jocko a beer so much !
I used to blame my parents for my WEAKNESS.. .
My weakness of having....
SKINNY KNEES!!!!
You need some MILK.
#jerks
"Cruz extra hard"
... now I'm listening.
Jocko, I think there's an unspoken flipside to extreme ownership. For good leadership, taking all the blame should be coupled with sharing all the credit, no? So while all the problems might be my fault, all the victories have to be shared with everyone who helped get there.
Take Extreme Ownership: It is your fault your parents got divorced!
This is just fantastic, empowering, liberating, and gives perspective and options I unfortunately did not have the sense to notice before. Thank you!
"Well what do we do to waste time? Watch RUclips..." So am I to understand that watching your podcast is a waste of time?
What if you are accused, arrested and thrown in prison for a false rape allegation without the chance to defend yourself in court. How do you take extreme ownership for this? This happens all too often.
or like in my case. I got falsely and maliciously divorced while keeping my word to raise my kids from birth til middle scgool....
then just said sorry I ruined your life... also a sorry not sorry kind of thing!
How often does this happen to you?
Richard James. Never. But I didn’t realise it had to happen to me before I could bring up the issue and start a conversation. Going by this logic only people that have been raped, physically attacked, robbed or any other heinous crime can only be addressed and discussed by people who are victims of this.
Having said this. I do know someone who had this exact thing happen to him and as he researched what happened to him he found this is an all too common occurrence . Would that quality for me to be able to open a discussion on the subject? If not then I guess politicians wouldn’t be able to address issues that haven’t personally effect them.
I don't see why giving an explanation for why you're sorry is a bad thing? Doesn't it show that you actually took the time to think about it and understand what you did wrong?
It's not just time though....you have to manage your energy well or else you can fail there as well.
There are a lot of very subtle things to manage....your attitude, your focus, etc.
You have to own those factors as well.
When people get blame on everyone you hurt yourself the more you do get blame on everyone you get hurt if you stop making them looks good
Don't every second counts, true echo, don't let the 10 minute leak away.
I've read the book and its great, I highly reccomend, I like the part about being a leader even if your bottom of the chain as a follower
DUDE. THIS is what I want to hear.
Good
I 100% agree with the RUclips point.
It's ironic that I can use RUclips to procrastinate and piss away a morning, while watching educational videos like these. Facepalm. At least I'm learning, but surfing RUclips is definitely leaking time lol
Such a great show
That's absolutely right. It's not about having time, it's about making time. If it matters to a person, they will make time.
Extreme ownership is about giving yourself consequences! Instead of letting yourself get out of things and carrying on making the same mistakes. If you avoid the consequences you'll never have a reason to learn. That might mean taking shit or losing an opportunity, but the next time an opportunity presents itself you won't let yourself fuck up because you know you can't get out of it if you do!
I agree to a point. It seems like what the writer is saying is that the guys above him are some form of bully, narcissist, or other type of personality disorder that uses any excuse to humiliate him. In that instance, I would put forward the idea that sometimes keeping your mouth shut and just doing the work is a more effective approach to dealing with that kind of environment.
I am not sure I'm getting this extreme ownership thing, You make a mistake or can't perform to the required level, ok my fault boss I'll fix it, nope your fired. I suppose it is your fault for working for this kind of organisation in the first place. Accepting liability for every crash that happens though you know what's going to happen your insurance premiums are going to sky rocket.
Thank You Much 😊
Amends.... is extreme ownership
Am I supposed to take ownership when I do exactly what I'm told and I know it won't work but the boss is directly telling me to do something so I do it and things go wrong? On one hand I'm not supposed to argue with a superior and on the other I know what I'm being told to do won't work. Then when it doesn't work I get blamed for doing what I was told! One example, I was knocking out a top fire block from the top of a brick wall. I said, it's ready to drop, boss says "go for it" so I bumped it out. He yells out dammit that's exactly what I didn't want to happen from the other side of the wall, as if I could see through the brick wall! I said you said go for it, he said, yes, I did. I got off the scaffolding to see what happened, I asked what's wrong? What happened? He yells at me "leave me the f alone man!" I just put my hands in the air and then grabbed a broom! Figuring, ok I get paid the the same on the floor with a broom as I do in the air with a sledgehammer. What should I have done? Oh yeah I later learned he was standing too close and a chunk of rock had hit his leg. He worked the rest of the week fine though so how bad could it have been? And why was he that close to a wall in the process of being demolished?
Well, as far as I can tell, this extreme ownership concept demands an extreme competence concept: you can only take the first if you have the later. Responsibility is a word derived from latin verb "respondere", wich means, to answer. People that know the "answer" for the "problem" can fix the situation, and, as soon it it is fixed, the problem of "blame" looses it weight in the scenario. Once fixed the main thing, one should also have a nice look on this lateral problem, that is, to go after the reasons other people use to blame others...
My problem is this:
Something gets screwed up at my work. My boss comes to me about it.
Ok. I get that it's my fault, it is my responsibility.
I ask questions because i legitimately do not understand how i screwed up those parts.
My boss takes that as me arguing with him amd trying to shirk responsibility.
I try to explain to him that I'm not doing that.
He doesn't believe me.
I've never been good with blindly following orders. It helps me to understand the why. It helps my productivity and efficiency to understand how my process fits into the larger process so I don't waste time or material using other methods that DO work and seem to be faster, but maybe have a higher chance of failure than the "established" method.
Dont ask questions. State what your plan is to solve the problem. If its your responsibility and you are asking questions to resolve it, you are not taking ownership. If you provide a method of resolution and they point you in a different direction. If you can recognize the discrepancy, if you can identify the most likely causality, you can create a solution
Yup keep moving echo and jocko!
I am responsible for the world.
Just your own world
@@kristiandabrowski6969 ...and yours also.
What do you mean by yours also
@@kristiandabrowski6969 It's simple if you think about it, Neighbor.
@@user-xu3kz4ru8f i see , but if experience has taught me anything its often the simplest of things that are often overlooked.
Title..
"I don't have time!" THEN MAKE TIME!
When I need to make decisions and nobody is around higher up the chain to check with, I do what I feel is best. And I document what I did, and let my bosses know what I did, and if I messed up in that decision, they usually come back with letting me know that I should of done it a different way, or show me how to best deal with those type of scenarios.
Ego, is a b***h 🤘
Great pod cast. All you pod cast are very good, Thank you
It would be awesome to see you talking about the story of Sergeant First Class Jorge A. Otero Barreto...
I'm gonna own it.....ok
Echo 🙄💪🤙
Echo Charles lookin' beefy.
I've been wondering, where do people send these questions to Jocko? How do people do it?
Fb and Twitter
First!
Second bro
Best and real podcast out there.
Sick video
Yes I messed up
Love this one!!
How do you deal with people that never blame themselves even when they make alot of mistakes and when you make one mistake they try to call you out on it?Two of my teammates on my soccer team do this,when they do this I try to just ignore them.Am i doing the right thing?
No. Take up rugby.
@@drewmis1 im 5'10 and 140 pounds
First thing, if they don't blame themselves, cool. As Jocko said, they're digging their own grave, long term, because they're not trying to improve.
Secondly. The problem I see is if they exaggerate your mistakes, more than what was the case. Let's say you did 1 thing wrong, but they blame you for 3 things going wrong. In the middle of a confusing game, you believe them. You try to fix 3 things, even though it wasn't your fault, and you can't fix all 3 mistakes. It can get to you after a while, and you need to recognize when it does.
What to do? Ask a friend who know you if you're being a whiny bitch about it and letting it get to you. IF you're a neurotic individuals who has a lot of negative emotions, chill out, find some other activity. Chances are you'll find mature people elsewhere. The alternative is that they're being extreme about calling you out. Let say they overly exaggerate, more than what is common. IF it's the latter case, then gradually let them know you don't like their behavior. Stand up for yourself, but don't take a 180 degree turn and bash their head in with a brick. That usually doesn't end well.
Identify what's wrong, and fix it.
If you've got a good and respectable coach, talk to him about it. If not I would recommend take each teamate one by one outside of crowds and calmly talk out your problem with them. If they still continue. Laugh it off and counterattack by calling them out on their mistakes with exageration.
@@willek1335 thank you
DOH!!