@@wallolo yeah thats why the hephtalites got destroyed in the end, they didn't enjoyed video game cheat stats, in real life armoured units cannot be very fast
I think the reason Spet Xyons were never nerfed was to ensure the White Huns were a credible threat to the Sassanid machine in campaign (they start with 3-4 units in campaign). IIRC, White Huns were introduced to reduce the absurdly easy start position and lack of difficulty when playing as the Sassanids. Spet Xyons pretty much saved my Lakhmids and Himyar campaigns from getting doom stacked by the Sassanids and their puppets.
Beyond the grave, an angry consul screams at his long dead legates: I TOLD YOU THAT WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING IN PARTHIA! YOU JUST HAD TO LISTEN! Legate sighs, with a face only a military expert that is woefully outranked can make, turns to the once-consul: "Crassus, sir... That's a videogame..."
This is what happened to Crassus legions at the Battle of Carrhae 53 B.C.E the Parthians had 10.000 horses archers and heavy cavalry. Against Crassus 43000 Romans. The Romans got peppered to death and the Parthians poured hot liquid gold down Crassus throat. Great video Legend as this shit actually happened.
Andrew Gu I did not know about him I'll have to look him up. That's two of them got the gold treatment. They did it to Crassus as he loved gold and was one of the richest men in Rome.
Johnny D I’m pretty sure that they just used Crassus’s head as a prop in a play about greed rather than giving him the full gold treatment, but I could be wrong
17:40 about the Tagmata cav, they used to be OP because their spear attack was coded to use the wrong weapon in the code. It was patched, and Tagmatas stopped being so ridiculously OP
As much as I am a sucker for cool cav units, I think that mounted troops should have next to zero missile block chance(unless the horse is armored like with cataphracts). But that would prbly make a lot of units very squishy and too micro intensive with how accurate missile units are even when firing at moving targets.
Lucek Jedi Maybe make missies units have less armour piercing thus cataphracts can tank missiles damage like melee infantry. You can also increase the health of the horses.
@Anne Isopod Already pointed out that it would prbly be a bitch to balance across the board. This principle would have to be taken as one of the key ones into consideration from the very begining of balancing for the whole system to make sense. It's just a case of my personal taste; not worth implementing on its own.
My first time playing, i thought missle units were ineffective in general because i watched as all my missile units failed to dent a few units of spet xyons.
16:30 You know it, never pull out of an engagement i this game. Especially not cav. If they are committed to a fight they are committed for life, no second chances here
I like the war elephants in the original rome total war, especially the Selucide Empire got a strong complimentary roaster which means even factions with lots of achers and phalanax as the Egyptians will not stand a chance if ballanced properly.
Back the days everything was truely balanced, another reason why new generations of Rome total war is pure BS, for units like that. In Rome 1, Phalanx and Legions were strong, but not OP, also with melee infantry you don't flee from the enemy while throwing projectiles
I’ve once been playing with white huns campaign which was pretty decent, anyway I noticed that noble archers which are my favorite units has cost more compared to hunic devil which are the strongest horse archers in the attila I’m never understand that
I remember mounted thunder braves being ridiculously overpowered. A full (plus general) stack routinely wiping out full enemy AI stacks losing only a handful of braves and those losses mostly to friendly fire. Medieval II: Total War: Kingdoms: Americas: Apache. The fastest unit in the scenario, enough armor piercing ammunition to rout any scenario unit 1vs1, with the possible exception of musketeers but I never saw that in practice, more range than foot archers and dirt cheap upkeep. The Apaches did have their problems, like their generals being shitty foot troops, having to earn the more advanced tech tree units rather than just building the necessary buildings, no economic buildings to speak of and vast tracts of land to cross to get anywhere but the MTB's were amazing.
I thoroughly believed the Alans had the best unit ever - they're so crazy powerful and in the top 5 strongest starting factions I believed they would be minimum of #6 if it was the top 10 instead. But this... damn. I did not expect it to be this bad. You were right, I didn't realize from what you showed in the last battle what that 70% missile nullification really meant.
So many things to say. 1 - you're using an example from Rome 2 launch. LOL. Just LOL. 2 - I've, after my last comment, tested this battle both ways. I actually won the VH difficulty. So that's awkward. 3 - My dude, this youtuber got kicked off Twitch for making a nazi sign with his immortals like a year ago. And not to mention the recent event, so I think it's fair to say, he clearly doesn't mind much to his public image as to alter this entire video and make it over and over to his whims. 3.1 - I'm a left leaning man and find myself rather agreeing to the punishment he received for the recent twitch problem. The word clearly derives from the N word in the witcher series. So dont mistake this as a 1 sided fan defending this man. I just watch his videos and laugh and enjoy what I can.
I'd guess it'd be about the same as the ballista, though maybe they'd kill less cause they shot slower, and you wouldn't have as many of them. So perhaps not as good.
they need to nerf horse archer range already. missile damage should probably be nerfed as well. the whole concept of horse archers is op in terms of total war because missiles do way too much damage especially against heavy troops which should be near invulnerable to arrows
Belief that Tagemata cav are OP and powerful stems from the way Attila was at launch, before a) tagemata got nerfed and b) the White Huns existed. They were even more OP than Spet Xyon are now when the game first came out, but that isn't so any longer. They'e just good cav now
Hey mate. I've got 800 hours in Atilla and I'm in Australia. I'd love to have a battle with you! I've never played as the white huns. I didn't know how OP they are. They never seemed as interesting as the ordinary huns. I've beaten the campaign as the Huns, Sassanids, WRE, Picts, Visigoths, Franks, Garamantians and Geats.
Can you do a battle or two vs the large onager? There really good against anything of course as long you make sure they stay away from melee. The explosive shot is so op and you have so much range.
Legend - I beat the Spet Xyon spam army with the Sclavenians handily. This is because the Sclavenians also have 2 OP units that shoot poison arrows. This is what killed Attila multiplayer. I still believe the Spet Xyon archer is the best unit in Total War, but wanted to display how OP these Sclavenian archers are. They cost something like 200 or 175 or something in custom battles. Here is the link to the video of me winning the battle easily. ruclips.net/video/5tj1SzIBYEY/видео.html The Sclavenians were an interesting "Anti-Hun" faction for the campaign, but the poison arrows should have been altered for multiplayer.
By the way, this was on VH difficulty, although I did not enable large units. I'd invite you to do this battle with large units if that may make any difference.
genovese crossbowmen 1 op unit in medieval. yeah those are good but expensive. With those milan owns half the world before the ai get to even feudal knights
@@sevthegamer8976 You can hire at least 2 onegers to destroy the towers and walls. Then you can rain arrows to the enemy units after that. This may not be work every time but you still have a chance to win a siege battle with spet xyons. They ARE powerful
I really wonder, on what criteria developers from CA based their logical reflections, when they gave this high missel chance to these archers. I mean if their defence is equal to Roman testudo, so I really wonder: what type of magic did these guys use in real life. Or maybe I am mistaken, and in real life they really were "buletproof"? Please, who know this - respond with logical argumentation!
I have try this Unit for verificated for assertion, and goodddd that's True this UNIT is the REALDEAL. thanks i have don't considerated played with the white Hun at all, it's quite bit difficult to play as a horde but, it's make a new sense for me to play this game. this unit is like a cheated unit, with 1000 men i beat an army with 4000 men. on plaine
it is a cheat unit, CA admitted by accident while describing the unit It could be the same as a Tagmata cavalry being completely invulnerable to projectile missiles
Mods make Atilla actually playable, and enjoyable. I've always said that mods can make a good game even better, making a truly great game with really good mods. However mods also make some bad games, decent, if not good. Also pretty sure most people don't typically play White Huns, so perhaps that's why it was never patched.
This is so fucking disgusting... I mean, CA doesn't even patch this shit??? Like cavalry getting bombarded by a higher density of missiles and do fuck all... Bleurgh. I knew there was a reason I don't play vanilla Attila.
In Chinese Total War community this unit is called "Lu Bu" for how op it is
I don't get it please explain;
@@williammall3117 ruclips.net/video/XZvSoe8aLHI/видео.html
Better yet this LOL ruclips.net/video/uBBVPSsFCUc/видео.html
I haven't watched what this is from but I am a massive 3 kingdoms fan and oh boy, this video made me laugh so hard.
@@milesdavis607 XD
I think it's possible to beat the Spet Xyon Archers using the line infantry from Empire Total War
Nah I bet all the line infantry would just miss because of all that middle block chance lol
Mobile Canon spam+ hunters + austrian line infantry.
Only when it comes to real world.
@@wallolo yeah thats why the hephtalites got destroyed in the end, they didn't enjoyed video game cheat stats, in real life armoured units cannot be very fast
I think the reason Spet Xyons were never nerfed was to ensure the White Huns were a credible threat to the Sassanid machine in campaign (they start with 3-4 units in campaign). IIRC, White Huns were introduced to reduce the absurdly easy start position and lack of difficulty when playing as the Sassanids. Spet Xyons pretty much saved my Lakhmids and Himyar campaigns from getting doom stacked by the Sassanids and their puppets.
And you could fix this by simply making them far more expensive in custom battles and multiplayer.
Beyond the grave, an angry consul screams at his long dead legates: I TOLD YOU THAT WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING IN PARTHIA! YOU JUST HAD TO LISTEN!
Legate sighs, with a face only a military expert that is woefully outranked can make, turns to the once-consul: "Crassus, sir... That's a videogame..."
Cmon really? Everybody knows that peasents are the best
Peasants on horseback 👌with parthian shot
Merchants are the best unit
This is what happened to Crassus legions at the Battle of Carrhae 53 B.C.E the Parthians had 10.000 horses archers and heavy cavalry. Against Crassus 43000 Romans. The Romans got peppered to death and the Parthians poured hot liquid gold down Crassus throat. Great video Legend as this shit actually happened.
just a small point: the liquid gold guy was manius aquillius fighting against Pontus, not Crassus against Parthia
Andrew Gu I did not know about him I'll have to look him up. That's two of them got the gold treatment. They did it to Crassus as he loved gold and was one of the richest men in Rome.
Johnny D I’m pretty sure that they just used Crassus’s head as a prop in a play about greed rather than giving him the full gold treatment, but I could be wrong
17:40 about the Tagmata cav, they used to be OP because their spear attack was coded to use the wrong weapon in the code. It was patched, and Tagmatas stopped being so ridiculously OP
Now they should do the correction with the xpe xishon or whatever the shitty name it has, because its OP and shouldn't be
@Kaichou oh, i seem triggered to your sensible feelings?
#friendsforLegend
His friends are running from the friendzone! GHHGHHAH, SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!
Koreans call them "White Hun Gundam"... because they're pretty much mobile suits with lasers
As much as I am a sucker for cool cav units, I think that mounted troops should have next to zero missile block chance(unless the horse is armored like with cataphracts). But that would prbly make a lot of units very squishy and too micro intensive with how accurate missile units are even when firing at moving targets.
Lucek Jedi Maybe make missies units have less armour piercing thus cataphracts can tank missiles damage like melee infantry. You can also increase the health of the horses.
@Anne Isopod Well, if they are wearing good armour it can be realistic that some of them may look like porcupines.
@Anne Isopod Already pointed out that it would prbly be a bitch to balance across the board. This principle would have to be taken as one of the key ones into consideration from the very begining of balancing for the whole system to make sense. It's just a case of my personal taste; not worth implementing on its own.
horsearcher take a lot of dmg in tw 2 too, and they are still an excellent pick.
Any army melts in front of a full stack of spet xyon archers. So OP
your speech is well thought out LegendOfTotalWar you have good commentary always explaining in strategy
I still love my Tagmata bois. Even tho you're right Legend
Never tought I’dd see legend getting recked by AI😂😂😂
It’s a joke, love the channel
My first time playing, i thought missle units were ineffective in general because i watched as all my missile units failed to dent a few units of spet xyons.
"these hurlers are so dirt cheap, who fuckin cares if they die!" LOL
Russian military doctrine:
16:30
You know it, never pull out of an engagement i this game. Especially not cav. If they are committed to a fight they are committed for life, no second chances here
Legend of total war using n00b box. Mind = Blown.
Even Blood Knights might struggle against Spet Xyon Archers......
I like the war elephants in the original rome total war, especially the Selucide Empire got a strong complimentary roaster which means even factions with lots of achers and phalanax as the Egyptians will not stand a chance if ballanced properly.
Back the days everything was truely balanced, another reason why new generations of Rome total war is pure BS, for units like that.
In Rome 1, Phalanx and Legions were strong, but not OP, also with melee infantry you don't flee from the enemy while throwing projectiles
I’ve once been playing with white huns campaign which was pretty decent, anyway I noticed that noble archers which are my favorite units has cost more compared to hunic devil which are the strongest horse archers in the attila I’m never understand that
I remember mounted thunder braves being ridiculously overpowered. A full (plus general) stack routinely wiping out full enemy AI stacks losing only a handful of braves and those losses mostly to friendly fire. Medieval II: Total War: Kingdoms: Americas: Apache.
The fastest unit in the scenario, enough armor piercing ammunition to rout any scenario unit 1vs1, with the possible exception of musketeers but I never saw that in practice, more range than foot archers and dirt cheap upkeep. The Apaches did have their problems, like their generals being shitty foot troops, having to earn the more advanced tech tree units rather than just building the necessary buildings, no economic buildings to speak of and vast tracts of land to cross to get anywhere but the MTB's were amazing.
TW theology video. How many Spet Xyon Archers can dance on the head of a pin?
There's a post from 2016 on the forums where a CA employee says Spet Xyon were supposed to be this strong because of the campaign.
you need slavic posion archers
Fan Yechao they could honestly help
Coupled with Large shields, they could actually work. Slavs don't have cavalry though...
Fan Yechao most op unit in total war history
I thoroughly believed the Alans had the best unit ever - they're so crazy powerful and in the top 5 strongest starting factions I believed they would be minimum of #6 if it was the top 10 instead. But this... damn. I did not expect it to be this bad. You were right, I didn't realize from what you showed in the last battle what that 70% missile nullification really meant.
@Mercb3ast nah I'm more than aware. But all it does is speed up the battle here. Maybe his slingers could have killed like 10 more Huns LOL.
So many things to say.
1 - you're using an example from Rome 2 launch. LOL. Just LOL.
2 - I've, after my last comment, tested this battle both ways. I actually won the VH difficulty. So that's awkward.
3 - My dude, this youtuber got kicked off Twitch for making a nazi sign with his immortals like a year ago. And not to mention the recent event, so I think it's fair to say, he clearly doesn't mind much to his public image as to alter this entire video and make it over and over to his whims.
3.1 - I'm a left leaning man and find myself rather agreeing to the punishment he received for the recent twitch problem. The word clearly derives from the N word in the witcher series. So dont mistake this as a 1 sided fan defending this man. I just watch his videos and laugh and enjoy what I can.
I like this Attila videos of yours make more and find the best strategy to deal with the White Huns.
I find that slavic bowmen are efficient too with the poison arrows
Which absurd unit from rome 1 he mentioned?
The Yubsteb (reverse reads Bestbuy) Elephants, a ridiculously oversized and overpowered elephant unit in Rome 1, only available through cheats.
The cheat elephant unit. You get it by typing Oliphaunt in the console.
I dont have anyone to play with, when you are so good that none plays with you
Achilleas Yfantis lol
Hey legend would the classic Roman testeudo noob box with some heavy onagers on exploding shot kill the spet xyon spam?
I'd guess it'd be about the same as the ballista, though maybe they'd kill less cause they shot slower, and you wouldn't have as many of them. So perhaps not as good.
they need to nerf horse archer range already. missile damage should probably be nerfed as well. the whole concept of horse archers is op in terms of total war because missiles do way too much damage especially against heavy troops which should be near invulnerable to arrows
The real question though, Can they horse-sandwich?
Yes, they can even horse hamburger, burrito, rap, and shurma.
Belief that Tagemata cav are OP and powerful stems from the way Attila was at launch, before
a) tagemata got nerfed
and
b) the White Huns existed.
They were even more OP than Spet Xyon are now when the game first came out, but that isn't so any longer. They'e just good cav now
Make a Remake of this video with a good Attila Online Player. Would be better than against the AI.
Hey mate. I've got 800 hours in Atilla and I'm in Australia. I'd love to have a battle with you! I've never played as the white huns. I didn't know how OP they are. They never seemed as interesting as the ordinary huns. I've beaten the campaign as the Huns, Sassanids, WRE, Picts, Visigoths, Franks, Garamantians and Geats.
Do poison arrows kill them faster
Domitian do poison arrows exist in total war Attila?
@@12aloner yes, slavs have them. Though their other units aren't that impressive.
It constantly amazes me that CA continue to create the OP units that totally distort MP. 75% missile block on a HA unit!!!
Legend Khan the Terrible, true heir to the spirit of Ghenghis!!!
No guys, you don't get it. He REALLY likes these guys.
Can you do a battle or two vs the large onager? There really good against anything of course as long you make sure they stay away from melee. The explosive shot is so op and you have so much range.
Legend - I beat the Spet Xyon spam army with the Sclavenians handily. This is because the Sclavenians also have 2 OP units that shoot poison arrows. This is what killed Attila multiplayer. I still believe the Spet Xyon archer is the best unit in Total War, but wanted to display how OP these Sclavenian archers are. They cost something like 200 or 175 or something in custom battles. Here is the link to the video of me winning the battle easily. ruclips.net/video/5tj1SzIBYEY/видео.html
The Sclavenians were an interesting "Anti-Hun" faction for the campaign, but the poison arrows should have been altered for multiplayer.
By the way, this was on VH difficulty, although I did not enable large units. I'd invite you to do this battle with large units if that may make any difference.
Ever encountered the rome 1secret easteregg of the yubtseb elephants? They are better
I mentioned them in this video.
0:27
Apfel wooooosh
genovese crossbowmen 1 op unit in medieval. yeah those are good but expensive. With those milan owns half the world before the ai get to even feudal knights
Spet xyon maybe a good unit but spet xyon spam will be bad in siege battles
You just starve them out
@@manofpowe this may work in single but not in multiplayer but why pick white huns in siege anyway xd
@Combine everyone
@@sevthegamer8976 You can hire at least 2 onegers to destroy the towers and walls. Then you can rain arrows to the enemy units after that. This may not be work every time but you still have a chance to win a siege battle with spet xyons. They ARE powerful
have you considered the greek firethrowers from medieval 2 crusades? They're also very very good, though less versatile as these.
I really wonder, on what criteria developers from CA based their logical reflections, when they gave this high missel chance to these archers. I mean if their defence is equal to Roman testudo, so I really wonder: what type of magic did these guys use in real life. Or maybe I am mistaken, and in real life they really were "buletproof"? Please, who know this - respond with logical argumentation!
17:00 Legend would've won this battle if he hadn't pulled his general out lol.
I have try this Unit for verificated for assertion, and goodddd that's True this UNIT is the REALDEAL. thanks i have don't considerated played with the white Hun at all, it's quite bit difficult to play as a horde but, it's make a new sense for me to play this game. this unit is like a cheated unit, with 1000 men i beat an army with 4000 men. on plaine
it is a cheat unit, CA admitted by accident while describing the unit
It could be the same as a Tagmata cavalry being completely invulnerable to projectile missiles
well, you could win it if you hadn't pull your general out of melee, running always has this risk
what is your opinion on the shogun 2 dunderbuss cav ? ... they are very strong as well and often seem kind of broken to me
Did you forget about poison archers?
Stuff just dies instantly in this game if you try to pull it out. xD
What are the elephant units you describe at the start of the video from Rome 1?
Are these guys what the Spetsnaz were named after. xD
What about those poison archers that the slavs have?
Did those ever get nerfed?
Because no one cheeses the game like Legend.
Spiffing Brit?
Mods make Atilla actually playable, and enjoyable. I've always said that mods can make a good game even better, making a truly great game with really good mods. However mods also make some bad games, decent, if not good. Also pretty sure most people don't typically play White Huns, so perhaps that's why it was never patched.
What about rome 1 beserkers?
they kill anything in melee but they die just as easily to arrows.
If u left ur gen in combat u would’ve won
Those aren't light cavalry. Those are light tanks! I understand the confusion but come on CA. One has tracks the other doesn't!
Spet Xyon iss so OP
crossbows.
fuck crossbows.
lol this is stupid is their a reason the horse archers cant form a circle formation and fire on the move?
ask your discord next time maybe?
besides, wheres MattBlueShit or Gaymersville to help you?
It's too bad you don't show full results. Like I was wonder how many kills that scorpion did.
Or maybe Attila just doesn't show those details?
it did show it. One of the scorpions got 150 kills.
Oh, yeah. My bad.
But I also say in general. A lot of times you skip results in ME2tw.
From 18:30: ERE_trailer.mp4
This unit is strong only when you play with huge armies. When you play with small (yes, not everybody have nasa computer) then it is weak.
I don't think even a nasa computer could run this smoothly in high graphics
Why would CA create such a broken unit.
Chreees have you seen poison archers
"Tagmatas are Not good enough" (Sends 3 regiments on one Tagmata after having weaken them with volleys)
Just the title itself made me laugh
Yeah but base level alani horsemen.
Ai in Attila total war battle is terrible compared to rome 2
Notif squad
The last defenders are better (warhammer 2 lizards)
Christian Kapsalis we
WUZ
Pretty sure Gothic Knights are better
The timurids have rocket and cannon elephants in medieval 2 they would be much stronger
This is so fucking disgusting... I mean, CA doesn't even patch this shit??? Like cavalry getting bombarded by a higher density of missiles and do fuck all... Bleurgh. I knew there was a reason I don't play vanilla Attila.
more DEUS VULT!
lmao.
First, 😁