The Alternate Un-filmed Fates of Alien 3's Key Characters
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- In the earlier script stages of the prison-set Alien 3, many of its characters' fates were much different. In this video I take a look at one of the earlier drafts of this concept and the alternate fates we may have seen.
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The speech Dillon gave the boys before the last fight, “do you want it on your feet? Or on your fucking knees? Begging I ain’t much for begging, nobody ever gave me nothing, so I say fuck that thing let’s fight it!” One of my favourite scenes
One of the greatest movie speeches of all time.
Alien 3 the Assembly Cut is a MASTERPIECE. It’s such a shame we never got to see it on the big screen
I'm so glad other people enjoy it. I get so much hate for ranking it above Aliens. My list is:
Alien
Covenant
Prometheus
Alien 3
Aliens
Resurrection
I've only watched that recently.
I've decades of hate for alien 3
And now I like it more than "Aliens".
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Also, did you here bro? Aliens and Alien3 are supposedly getting their 4K ultra HD blu ray releases this August. So in August, Dog Soldiers, HEAT and Aliens will all get 4k blu ray releases. It's gonna be a pricey month for me it seems. But yeah man. Your channel is great. Discovered it about 3 years ago and so glad I did. Cheers.
Same here. Hear hear. A jem indeed.
In August, where did you hear?
I remember a long time ago working for Acclaim Studios London over Croydon way. A Lady from Virgin (Game Publisher) and a random bloke in a suit walked in the office. They had a script and bits of the story board for Alien 3, asked if we can make a game to coincide with release of the film (which no one knew about) we said yes. That was last we heard till release, I remember someone coming back from premier saying "the game is nothing like the fucking film we are fucked" but my boss said "it's just like the story boards and script they gave us".
Was a long time ago I just remember there was a reason Ripley has weapons, inmates are cocooned and there is more than one Alien all in the game.
That's cool as hell. The problem with the games, (of which the SNES version was superior😋), was that it would've made more sense to be an ALIENS game, with different character designs and locations, but it's like it always is: tie the game to the new movie for marketing purposes. I think the multiple rewrites did the film a disservice. They'd aced the script a long time back, but through studio interference and micro-managing we got the highly flawed yet fascinating film we have. Learning about the other numerous drafts, they had it down perfectly. But nippy, tweaky, nonsensical changes deprived us of what could've been a far more interesting and beloved film. Just my two cents of course.
The Alien 3 game is still in my top 10 list for all time games. Loved it as a kid and still love it now.
Very cool! I kinda suspected this was the case. It seems like both games for Sega and Nintendo got the same basic storyboards. It's fine thou. It's what the movie should have been
That game creeped me out big style when I was a kid. Dunno why.. still makes my skin crawl when I think about it
I remember that game for the Megadrive yeah the inclusion of weapons made no sense at all🤦♂️🤷♂️
INSTANT like. My god, I love this movie. The score is a thing of legend.
Thank you!
I liked the scene with Golic taking out the other prisoners in the dark. That would have made a great scene in the assembly cut!
Yes, that scene could have been very suspenseful.
I have always felt there could of been more done with the Clemens character, played by Charles Dance. You can still hear the regret that still consumes him, many years after the incident that led to him being there.
He is excepted by the other inmates, but is still viewed as not one of the Y-cromos - the universes scum, sent to die on a planet in the ass end of space. Similarly; his professional background has allowed him serton privileged with the guards, but they too view him as just another inmate when it suits.
This is the perfect "way in" for the company - the offer of a clean slate could of been used to get Clemens to setup a double cross later on!
Double cross that would of been pretty epic indeed.
I agree, would've been an interesting take. Clemens is one of my fave characters in the film; Dance plays him to perfection
@@jackmullin9247 Yes! Especially since Ripley trusted him so much. That would have been a gut punch, but in the best way lol.
Fuck I love Alien 3. Thank you for all your amazing video studies after its 30 year anniv
The unexplored aspects of this movie seem like an ideal Alien Isolation type game. A sort of meld between that game and the Riddick games. It's just crazy all the explored but never utilized concepts. The potential of a Hive and then some Company ships arriving to bring fresh meat, guns, and Androids to mix things up all the effective isolationist horror setting the prison so easily manifests. Even searching through the waste yard to find and activate Bishop, so much potential
that would be epic! an AI game on fury
Yeah that would be fucking ace as fuck!!! With dlc scenarios after the main game is completed
Yeah thus movie was ahead of its time and even with all the production issues, actually wasn't bad but no Aliens by any means. However this movie is my favorite from a setting and characterization point of view. Plus a bull alien us so cool.
I'm a kid by alien standards. I was born in 1990 so the hype of the first 2 were past me and I just had a really cool mom that loved Ripley because she is a real heroine. But I connected with 3 as a child more than 1 or 2. I think it's because 3 has a slasher horror trope to it were as 1 and 2 you have to watch for an hour to get some gore.
Now that I'm older, I see how much of a masterpiece in horror as a form of art that Alien is and I see the masterpiece that Aliens is but on a blockbuster scale. In my opinion Aliens is the best Sci fi movie to date. Alien 3 is still my favorite but not for the nostalgia reasons but because you can see how rich this movie was as character dynamics and horror elements combined. Just the final draft of it is no where near the previous 2 which I think excelled in one category (Alien for horror, Aliens for character dynamics).
To be honest, if you wanted to do Alien 3 right, that is show everything they wanted to show us...to give it justice, it would have to be at least a 3 hour movie and probably pushing close to 4....and that's just so hard to do in 1991. We wanted 90 minute movies and 2 hour movies were given to drama at the time like say goodfellas and I guess batman.
Get you a Super Nintendo. Alien 3 is on that platform. It’s uh, well, it’s dated, to say the least lol but it’s fun nonetheless
@@Kroggnagch
The Alien 3 games can be pretty fun, if a bit frustrating at times.
The sprite work on the different versions is rad, too; I really like the Start screens' alien on the Genesis version.
And they all play just fine on emulators; so, very accessable! Even if your device resembles a potato, they should run smoothly.
man this is way more chilling and more "horror" then the original. I love both of them!
This makes the film more bittersweet and interesting. Alien 3 is a film I always found myself conflicted with. There is that love and hate relationship but the more I read about some unfilmed scenes and see the longer version where the xenomorph comes from the ox instead of the dog, it has grown a bit to me.
I wish some of these scenes do become canon (like the cocoon and burning the people becoming eggs or in cocoons). It drives home the egg morph scene of the cut scene from the first film that this species was created to adapt. The perfect organism. It would be cool to see it in a flashback or something in the new comics.
Wait... A single Xenomorph can create a complete hive, INCLUDING that thin protective laser membrane?!? I was always under the impression that technology came from the Space Jockey's ship to specifically hold the eggs in the cargo bay in place.
The Big Chap created a complete hive, just no laser beams.
You can see the membrane in Aliens when Ripley enters the hive
I agree 100% about the laser. But yes, a single xenomorph can create a hive, it happened in the (extended) original Alien film.
The aliens take cannons filled with Balenciaga and spray all the walls and corridors. They get right up in the humans face and then mentally project Balenciaga into the victims Brain. One thousand retard sandwiches in a matter of seconds. The victim then throws on a trash bag and walks down the runway and return's to get skull fk'd.
The Assembly Cut is so much better and it makes sense. No weapons. Dillions redemption arc. Fight for your life. The movie is under appreciated because they expected so much out of it. It was fresh and something new.
Ladies, Gentlemen, we all love Aliens. This is the best film in the series, fight me. You all who complained about newt dieing or whatever yeah welcome to the ALIEN universe things die bitch.
It does kinda hark back to the1st Alien film in79 which was aneat touch
Gotta feel sorry for poor Paul Mcgann. His role was cut down and down and down until it was barely in the movie. He was a young actor and this was a big deal project for him. It depressed him greatly how it turned out and it almost resulted in a number of secondary failures in the mid to late 90s for him.
I personally think it's a shame the film doesn't have a version of the cacoon scene in it. Somewhere in the big sacrifice sequence I think having someone get lost and come upon a corridor full of resin and half-dead prisoners would add some additional tension to the climax.
I think these various versions also demonstrate one of the films biggest problems... too many characters. Arbitrarily have their names changed, on set they're told to lose their accents or keep them from scene to scene... Just too many. I think instead of 25 there should have been 14. 14 Prisoners, two guards, Ripley and the dog. and half of that 14 get killed in the fire scene. That way we only have named characters with distinct looks left for the remainder of the story... and then more depth be added into them.
Alien 3 was actually the first one I saw. I was 12 and a friend showed it to me, so I had no idea what was going on. A lot of the horror (the rape attempt, ect) went over my head aside from the alien itself, it actually was scarier when I had a better understanding later. XD
Aliens, alien, alien 3 is the order I saw the movies
A3 is great: the corridor run, the altered beast, the small amount of characters isolated, the shaved head, the forge, the photography.
All presented in a coherent way.
Plus, the cocoon scene would had brought the beast to the original plot: NO QUEEN. Great!
Dillon: Don't touch the hive, it'll be like an alarm.
*Proceeds to light the whole thing on fire.
I never liked Gibson's Alien 3: I felt it messed with xenomorph biology way too much, taking what's a fantastical but very plausible gestation process and pushing it on the side of sheer impossibility. In fact if you read the comic book it might remind you more of Dead Space than Alien. They incorporated some of his ideas into Prometheus and Covenant, and I can't say that helped those movies in any way.
I'm personally glad they decided to keep Alien 3 more consistent with what came before as far as biology.
To be fair, by its very nature, its morphology will be potentially limitless via the nature the species comes into being, let alone lore multiple times from the aliens perspective showing their abilities to, if needed, quickly adapting to threats via its genetic-database. Xenomorphs forced to adapt to heavy combat are nightmarish.
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Especially because of the relaxed talking and how it's presented. Every other person I hear talking stresses me out with shouting. Those other videos are loud and way too hyper. So this channel is a gem!
Love these posts. Thank you!
Alien three needs its own movie about the making of
Pretty cool to see and hear the different drafts. Thanks for putting this together and sharing. Well done!
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for speding so much of your time making these!
Fantastic video! Makes me wanna re-visit Alien 3, which I think I just might do tonight.
remember to watch the special edition ;)
Fuck man you tell a great story, every time. Can’t help yourself. Thank you.
It really does mean a lot.
Great video! I agree about the roles of Dylan and 85 being more true to the characters we had already seen in the theatrical version. In this alternate version, I really like the idea of Golic being a menace on his own side quest. There was an internal double cross in the previous 2 movies as well. Ash in Alien, and Burke in Aliens. I'm not sure how it may have been received from the majority of audiences, but I would have liked to have seen that secondary threat in the theatrical film. It's never enough for a group of people trying to survive xenomorphs. There always has to be a douchebag with an agenda to worry about too lol.
@Stefano Pavone Very true! And I think no one probably would have suspected it to be him, believing him to be too "dumb" or too "straight laced" to pull off murdering people. Finally becoming "one of them" in a sense. Very interesting indeed.
This is awesome, as well as your channel. I LOVE THIS CHANNEL. You have the PERFECT voice for narration and the content over the yrs never fails to make me love the Yautja and Xenomorph even more.
The editing of this video is absolutely awesome.
It’s fun to watch your progress thru your video quality over time. Like the still frames when you’re talking about a character but there’s still some smoke or fog looming about but it IS moving, relieving the display of stagnation. It’s the little things like that which gives your videos their professional atmosphere and one of the reasons I’m subscribed.
Absolutely epic video! Such a joy when you upload AT!
SWEET job on the animation!! You’ve got a keen eye for visuals!
At 35 years old & renting this at the video store back in 96 especially after seeing Aliens first & then seeing the original Alien a few months after Alien 3 , I don't got any un easy feelings anymore with the depressed & more dramatic & disturbing approach David Fincher took with this film nearly as much as I did back then as a kid growing up in the 90's & honestly, this is my personal favorite & the only film in the entire franchise that I absolutely never get bored of watching regardless the mood I'm in especially after the "extended cut" came out in 03' , I luv all the original films in the trilogy equally for different reasons because they're all completely different than eachother but sometimes I actually get bored watching the first two films over & over to be honest if I watch them too often but Alien 3, I can literally watch back to back two times in a row & still enjoy it without getting bored ever💯 Every single film in this entire franchise is completely different than the other & obviously nothing will beat the original trilogy of films in my eyes but of all 8 films in the franchise, this is the second one I've ever seen & it's the only one I never get tired of & I have always had a morbid fascination with death so I honestly prefer this film over all the rest because it's by far the darkest & far far far more of a downer & far far far more graphic, violent, gory/bloody , it has absolutely the best most realistic kills & Death scenes of the entire franchise , the best cinematography , a equally good soundtrack as the first two films & it has the most viscous Xenomorph they ever created & the most iconic scenes with a alien in my opinion 💯
Alien: Horror Sci-fi Thiller
Aliens: Action Sci-fi Thriller
Alien 3: Drama Sci-fi Thriller
All 3 films are completely unique & perfect in they're own ways & complement eachother perfectly, it's the perfect trilogy to me💯
I rented alien 3 a few times back in the day
I just love this channel. The tone of your voice , the professionalism it all gives me a very good "Alien" vibe.
Alien 3 is an amazing movie.
would love to see a book of Vincent Wards sketches of what he actually wanted.
Praise Alien Theory, always good content and lore and behind the scenes history
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In my Eyes this Ending would've saved far more than Act I and II were able to ruin.
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Sad thing is I couldn’t have named a single character from this movie other than ripley when I could name so many from the others. Problem is a lot of the characters look the same
Still maintain alien 3 is a very underrated movie. I really liked this video keep up the good work👍👍👍
Amazing work thank you
Loved this video, keep the good job!
Thanks for giving 3 some love.
Yes I get it’s not even on the same level as Alien/Aliens, but I still loved it in the theater all those years ago. Still do.
Very very interesting. Thanks Alien Theory for this! I love Part 3!
a lot of really interesting observations and commentary about the film - enjoyed the whole thing . . . .
Lol... Dillon: “see those beams of light? It’s like an alarm, step in and it knows you’re here.” Then he proceeds to set the whole fuckin place on fire like that won’t get the Runner’s attention lol
I thought I knew everything about the films' drafts and differences, this was a great video, well done....👍
Yeah Alien 3 grew on me over time. Plus knowing the backstory behind it I'm surprised it turned out to be what it is. Overall I think my favorite "version" of it in concept was the Vincent Ward one. My least favorite ironically is the one they released as a comic and novel and I own both.
That's more like it AT...the first cocoon version, getting back to Giger's original concept of the entire complete Alien lifecycle, with the still-living bodies of its victims converted into eggs and being eaten, digested upon, from the inside-out. Gone is all the Queen nonsense - this is gutteral, psycho-sexual horror at its most grusome. The full five life stages of the beast - egg, facehugger, chestburster, adult, and cocoon. The circle of consummation of its victims is also complete.
Thank you for posting, once again.
The Story of the jail movie could have worked better and be an absolute beloved movie, if the producers had use the prison setting for a spin off, without Ripley and only the inmates fighthing the Xenomorph without even knowing what the hell they are fighting
That entire hive sequence would have elevated the movie.
Loving this way of presentation, just like an rpg, it tells it well.
Damn I've never been this early on one of your videos. Love the content.
Well done. .. Never knew about all of tbis.
The Assembly Cut is the best version imo though perhaps - exploring possibilities alternative versions give - rather than Dillon having an encounter in a hive Hicks could have been the character to do so... Hicks being killed off early in Alien 3 was stupid and his character would have added to Alien 3 overall.
Awesome video. The scenes came off quite tense listening to your reading of them.
I honestly think they could have been in the film with some slight changes. Instead of Dillon in the cocoon chamber, it could have been somebody else, for instance. The Golic stalking scene with the lights could also have been really suspenseful. With some re-writes, that could have worked in the film & Golic ending in a different way instead of taking Aaron's place at the end.
I would have preferred the cocoon chamber going up in a huge fire over the big explosions they have in the final film, which is just generic action movie stuff.
Damn Gollick and the Alien working together and killing off the prisoners. That would made the story much more interesting. The part where he escapes and carries on his rampage while sabotaging the group's efforts. Shame they didn't take that angle.
I think the parts where Golic was doing the horror movie killer thing would have made it more interesting. Not sure about the rest of it though. There really wasn't a good way to end the trilogy that would have been satisfying given the established story at the time. Or at least to me anyway.
Very interesting info I like Alien 3 this is what I would have like to have seen in Alien 3 another alternative version
This was very fascinating. I loved the bishop stuff and almost wish that was what happened. Thanks again AT
While this was enjoyably entertaining, the Assembly cut had the much better choices. It's interesting though, ever since I first saw the assembly cut, I always felt Golic was supposed to have had a more involved part - like the creature not killing him (kind of like a case of evil knows evil). I'm glad he didn't though, so it kept the focus on the alien. But I'll admit, that other ending was a bit intriguing - with Golic killing Bishop.
I was fortunate enough to go behind the scenes at Alien War in London & they had a wealth of props from both Aliens & Alien 3. Amongst the collection no on display they had Dietrich’s armour & smart gun.
But most interestingly were the pair of Art Deco style Greyhound sculptures. These were from a scene which was set in the library on Fiorina 161. From what I understand, the scene may have been a left over from Vincent Ward’s original story, but unfortunately it looks like it was lost on the cutting room floor….or scrapped in the many rewrites.
Dillon’s death in the theatrical cut was one of the few right choices they did make. As well as him being the one to make the speech to get everyone off their asses.
David Twohys script was completely different. It didn't involve a prison planet, but an escaped prisoner and an entirely new cast of character accompanying him. This was eventually reworked and turned into Pitch Black, with the xenomorphs replaced with bat creatures
Would've saved the series really, maybe make those Xenos adapted for life on a fair more hostile planet. Plus you get Ripley a happy ending for the moment.
@@Clay3613 I would have liked it, but I actually like the assembly cut of Alien 3 just fine. Its not until Alien 4 that it series completely shits the bed
Off topic for this movie but do you think when David took over the ship & began his journey towards earth. Could he have initiated the Accounts of Earth War?
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Love Alien 3 content.
as for the version where Aaron dies in the leadworks, I thought I read somewhere at some point Clemens was considered for that...but maybe I read wrong. There was also a storyboard about Ripley and a prisoner (I thought Clemens), swinging underneath a framework with the Alien walking over it, stepping on their hands
God I love this channel.
Yes -
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Alien 3 is fertile ground. All those alternatives, ambiguities, improvisations, possibilities, probabilities makes for some great 'what if' videos. Cheers, Alien Theory!
Another phenomenal video I'm ordering a piece of the glove used by the "lead covered Xeno" worn by woodruff!!
I've always loved this film and like you it was my first glimpse (hopefully you saw my previous "Bookseller Video" comment on your other recent alien 3 video)
This will be a hot take for some, but Alien 3 is my favorite film in the franchise. Everything from what we got to what we didn't is fascinating to me. It's the one I constantly think about, the one with the most emotional and existential resonance. Objectively, the previous two films are more successful in realizing their ideas and potential than Alien 3, which honestly, makes it that much more intriguing. Even if you were to look at it as a standalone, which being a sequel is understandably hard to do, there is a lot to unpack here.
These are all very interesting alternatives to the characters arcs that are in the filmed versions, but I agree that ultimately, the devs make the right decisions.
as i become older, alien 3 has become my fav in franchise.
assembly cut of course.
Having watched all the additional footage in the digital version of Alien 3 and seeing all the trouble the movie had.. we are lucky we even got a movie hey!!
I prefer what you see in the film about Dillon (the film needed a good supporting character after Clemens' early death and Dillon is) and Andrews than in this script. I would have changed the way Andrews died, it seems a bit forced to me.
The "Interior Abattoir" scene is unintentionally hilarious. Three idiots who think they can repel the Alien with disinfectant have a five minute argument about the lights...
It took me until now, but I just realized the number 2 prison officer was the Queen's pilot from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. The only reason I got it was because I just watch a clip from episode 1, and then I saw this thumbnail immediately afterward.
I read this recently, it's great. love the animation of Andrews on fire haha
I like whatever link Golic and the Alien had. Weather it was just Golic's own madness or some psychic hyper sensitivity that let the creature manipulate him is cool, since it implies this Alien can think of long term gain. Especially neat him nocking off other prisoners in the dark, however in the finale his actions don't make sense. If he's either crazy or psychic, neither is a good reason to kill Bishop II. If we were to need to keep Golic past releasing the Alien, then why not have Morse knife him or something? It would at least preserve Aron's moment.
I always thought pitch black felt like it could've taken place in the same universe. Not surprised tuohy was involved at one point.
I always looked at Alien3 as fan fiction that made it to the screen. That quirkiness and Charles Dutton's acting makes it interesting if not great
Been an Allien fan all my life, what really bought this movie for me was the language,
Love the dialogue.
Fun Fact: the actor who played one of the inmates Eric Buggy was the same actor who played Zardoz/Arthur Frayn almost 20 years earlier.
Great insight, thank you AT... 'How many times do you want me to tell the same story?' 'It won't make any difference!' ... It is still terrible alas.. 😥
Apparently some of the scenes were filmed 5 minutes away from my house in the old power station, Blyth Northumberland.
They've started demolishing it now
I got to work early I was the first one here walking down the hallway to my office the lights were off I got an eerie feeling that I was actually in the prison so to all the people that had a hand in my mind manifesting this feeling take a bow you did your job well
Given what we know about the making the movie. All the corporate micromanaging that went on I think the melding of the assembly cut in theatrical cut make the movie show its true potential of what MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
But it still wasn't a bad movie. I loved it. It's a great thriller/horror. And with the movie score it really gives you a dark tone.
I wish we could've seen this
i liked the directors cut as it is.also im confused still why there isnt a script part about the owner trying to find his dog he was so angry about being injured yet nothing more
I like Alien 3, Dylan was cool and had a great speech
The assembly cut is better than the theatrical. I would have loved to have seen golic working with the Alien. Gives the mental aspect of mesmerizing the weak minded like what happened with Brett in the first movie. Also having a second menace roaming around beyond the Alien helps.
It would be nice to see how Aaron's family took the news of his death. If I'm not mistaken, didn't he have children, a daughter maybe? What if she began looking into his death and the death of the prisoners? Only to discover that he survived being shot to death with future medical tech, and the Company placed him in stasis? Oh well, we may never know...
@Stefano Pavone, what if the Colonial Marine that murdered [?] him felt remorse for his death and betrayed for being used as W/Y's butt boy? What if he told Aaron's family (daughter maybe) what really happened before he's killed by "The Company." What if his death and the murder of all the prisoners motivated Aaron's family for answers, and in their investigation, they are the ones who bring down "Some greedy corporation"-Dr. Wren
Am I the only one who thought when dillion said I shall fear no evil line that a reply of rise brother from a hulking space marine kicking down the door and putting bolted rounds into a xenomorph. Also there are so many versions of alien 3 I would’ve loved to see compared to what we were given, I especially loved the space monk one
I seriously recognised 'Eric', so I looked him up. It was from an episode of 'Father Ted', of all things!
Just rewatched alien 3 assembly cut again. I have worked out there is like 2 assembly cuts to the film. As there we’re scenes that we’re not in the alien anthology 2012.
It may not be the 'best' Alien film, but its creation is the most interesting.
Definately is interesting, it was a super chaotic process. I'm glad it didn't drive Fincher away from making movies, must've been a miserable experience for him.
I'm with your thoughts. Aaron redemption as company man to realizing he as worthless as the prisoners here so he acts like them is great. To me, he us the Gorman of alien 3 but with n even better role at redemption
Dillon has to die like the movie. He gives a much better speech to do the last stand. When they are in the mold...I love his lines " bullshit, there's gonna be 10 tons of hot lead in here sistah" ( when Ripley says to leave her in the mold. And also " I'm not gonna move with out you. Now get going!" Fuck now that I think about it Charles Dutton is awesome and there are quite a few movies he is in that his voice so so strong. Let's just say if Sam Jackson wasn't already mace windu, it should have been C Dutton.
The golic idea was interesting and I could definitely see how it could play out and possibly add some horror to Alien that we haven seen yet ( like a human slasher) instead of a crafty Droid or businessman. I do think golic, being a murderer and rapist of women a definite sociopath maybe even psychopath because he too the dragon name so seriously, would have played nicely for the alien 3 setting of hopelessness.
But if golic was gonna be Aaron which meant Aaron was gonna be Dillon, we wouldn't have the awesome Dillon dialogue in the 3rd act. And out of the 3 potential changes, u would rather golic get nerfed so Dillon and Aaron can get their character development. Honestly what golic did in the assembly cut was treacherous enough and I think his role rightfully finalized there.
I'm glad they tossed the cocoon chamber scene; I never enjoyed the human egg-pod stuff they kept out of the theatrical release of the first movie.
Thanks for this video. It is an amazing source and sheds light onto so many great ideas for the script, even if it reveals some not so good ones.
I happen to pretty much side with Fincher on this film. It’s so beautifully shot, so flawlessly cast and superbly acted…I mean, truly superior acting, to me better even than both previous films. Also music, audio, photography and the practical man-in-a-suit Alien effects and design are the best of the saga, especially the lighting and way they were shot…
Sadly, in the end what you get from this movie is so much of a disappointment, precisely BECAUSE of the achievements it makes and the greatness it promises.
In the end it’s like a disjointed mongrel: the monk ideas (being the wooden planet the poorest idea of them all as it betrayed both previous Alien movies sci-fi realism), on top of the horror film ideas, on top of the legacy of the series ideas, plus a great but partial character development, plus the rush of finishing the series (which didn’t happen anyway). Plus, such perfectionist and hard heads together. Plus a genius, but unproven director who didn’t get the respect he needed to realize the vision they had all accorded to make at some point.
The deaths: This video clarifies why its great characters’s deaths feel so out of place and then painted them with gore and surprise as a replacement for proper dramatic endings. One can see this from the beginning: the cold, unbelievably unceremonious and “convenient” disposal of truly beloved characters (that we even fought with) in Aliens was truly a bad omen of what was to come.
Some honor is tried to be elicited in their cremation, with its fantastic eulogy speech but it is tainted by the overly cruel, gory and prosaic birth of the alien (I truly preferred the dead ox version). I guess Newt’s death was inevitable and her autopsy a tense, dramatic, suspenseful scene. But how about keeping Hicks alive for a while? Do something akin to Bishop’s interview but somewhat more tearful, even a bit romantic? No way to know now of course.
That brings us immediately to Charles Dance’s FORMIDABLE doctor’s character. His posterior career has shown that he is of the star echelon. He could have been a great co-hero, a new beginning for Ripley and a real dramatic, heartbreaking witness to her sacrifice. The only one that could truly began connect to her in all of the series and at the same time understand fully the scientific and heroic implications of her death. A real pity.
I could go on but lastly I really need to talk about the miniature FX of the runner Alien:
I have to say it, I cannot believe that these were Fincher approved. Particularly the way they were filmed or, more probably, pasted onto the film. Be it the lighting, speed, lack of weight, scale moving on camera they look terrible and enable some stuff that, for example, Scott would’ve edited out of the movie. Being the perfectionist we all know now that Fincher is, it is my impression that he was left out for a good bit of the editing, undoubtedly of the VFX of the runner. I can’t believe a man that does up to 130 takes of a shot and has a special process for film treatment to be able to film with record low lighting, that is a pioneer of big screen images would have accepted that his alien showed noticeable different lighting and even some green screen.
Behaviour: Aliens have something very special to them: they are precise, purposeful, ambush-type predators.
Be it that they crack your flesh off or grab you for future impregnation they did it once in one perfect, calculated motion. No long struggle, (maybe excepting Lambert’s… but there was a sharp difference in tone). It was really weird to watch the Alien struggle with its victims, bite and shake like a rabid dog…maybe it’s me, but it was kinda out of character for this new alien (or any previous alien for that matter), especially after Boggs’s, David’s and Jude’s brutal, single-strike bloody deaths which, by the way, are probably the scariest deaths of the whole franchise.
In the end the impression I left the theater with was that they wanted to flaunt these new full body creature effects showing things reserved for the privacy of the monster…but they weren’t such great effects or ideas at that and showing them on camera made for serious detraction of the quality of the film. Time has not being kind to them either. The spraying of buckets of blood (the effect of the attack) was actually a better visceral image than the actual motion of the attacker.
That said, even with these perceived flaws, one can sense the intent, the talent, the innovation, the achievement of all the geniuses at work in this film. The images and filming are unique and unsurpassable. The VFX, were deemed Oscar worthy (I am a big fan of ADI: they achieved movement and realism to perfection in the subsequent films) at their time. This alone makes for a very watchable film, better than most creature films thereafter.
So these are just my opinions as a fan. Nothing more than that.