I don't like how Fincher was treated when the movie was being made. Fincher was a very inexperienced director at the time and many feel he was being pushed around and undermined. His original concept for the film was very different from the concept used in Alien 3, and it was scrapped because of his inexperienced.
@@badgerden7080 yeah man,so true. Many movies have these problems today (Justice League for example,Snyder finished filming,but had to step down due to some illnes,then J.Wheadon came,filmed new scenes for extra 80mil,and final film was some half-spliced trimmed mix of... idk what)! Studio interference,and bullshit decisions from ppl who know nothing about making movies... But yes,A3 was a total mess in the making,film is very good for what problems it had during production!
Alien 3 doomed from the start as instead of giler and hill the long time producer of the series being in charge fox took charge there were like a lot of diffrent writers and directors from 87 till 91 when they hired fincher they had spent 11 million before filming even began and then fox undermined fincher and interfered all the way he didn’t even cut the film the studio did I feel like the assembly cut should have been the cut realeased is it great no but it was a million times better
The script was changed on a daily basis, for what came out in the end and what Alien movies we have had since, I've got alot of love for Alien 3. Obviously it doesn't compare to Alien and Aliens, but I always sit and happily watch it once or twice a year.
Same here, I actually like the movie despite its flaws, I hate Hicks and Newt getting killed off but it’s still a great movie. Charles Dance is great, Charles Dutton also despite being a murderer and rapist of women. Pete Postlethwaite! I find Brian Glover.... difficult to be around, but love his character. Describing the alien as “generally unpleasant” 😂 overall a fantastic film, don’t care what anybody else thinks I love it as it is....
The set was a nightmare, too. From what I've gathered, two actors developed bronchitis and it was difficult to convince the dog to stay in outlying areas, apparently. When the dog is uncomfortable it's time to shoot the film somewhere else, I think.
What's with some of the A-holes who hate the sfx of the alien? It was one of the first films (i think) to use cgi to annimate the alien. This was in the 90s ffs. I think the alien in this film was utter badass.
I love the reference to The Great Gatsby at 10:20 ("other brave souls beat on, boats against the current"). Alien Theory is always "borne back ceaselessly into the past."
To be honest, I love Alien 3 as much as Alien and Aliens. I love its dark atmosphere. The runner xenomorph looks great and the whole film has many awesome moments - tunnel chase, the Ripley/xenomorph close-up scene, romance with Clemens, epic final scene, great soundtrack, nice acting, fresh ideas about royal facehuggers and xenomorph's ability to take features of their hosts!!!!!!!
It's definitely grown on me with age. I feel it's flawed and suffers from too much verisimilitude to Alien. But reasonably well put together and enjoyable none the less.
Tallon hunter I hated 3 when I saw it in theaters 29 years ago but when I watched it a second time in 93 it grew on me now I watch the assembly cut maybe 2 to 3 times a year
@@jimbowlan5804 Same here. I hated Alien 3 back in 1992 but now I love it sooo much. The assembly cut version is much better but I still prefer 2 things in the theatrical one: the dog burster moment looked better than the ox one and the Ripley's final epic chestburster should have been included to both versions.
How can you love Aliens AND Alien 3? I hate Alien 3 for ruining Aliens. They just throw away 2 great characters at the very beginning, and put her in a stupid prison with a shaved head. This movie should not have been made.
@@ColdBloodedBastard Well, many people hate AlienS for ruining Alien (1979) and turning it into brainless action and cartoon characters. Opinions differ. I've already listed great moments from Alien 3 which I loved. If you only saw "shaved head" characters then you didn't get that film at all. By the way, this is a very hostile universe. Characters die here
I actually like Alien 3; in particular, the assembly cut! Out of the four original films, I'd place it in my top two, along with Alien. It's the bleakness and fatalistic outlook of the film that I find appealing.
Nice drawing the Star Wars comparison. Though i find one scene from the “sequel trilogy” more offensive and foul than the entirety of “Alien 3”. Then again TLJ was the first film I ever watched that actually made me angry.
@@Clay3613 its not myself that needs getting over, i need to learn to stare vacantly and applaud while a new generation of hollywood hacks pretend they are worthy to get the coffee for those who’s work they finger paint upon.
@@NicoParasite “before you called yourself Kylo Rhen” there’s something sad about being such a try hard you assign your own “title” and wear a mask for emo purposes only. Vader was horrifically burned and needed life support, whats Ben Soylo’s excuse?
Just wait till you get to Alien Resurrection and Prometheus and Covenant lol. They will be quite scathing. Having said that, I’ve grown to very much appreciate Alien 3. I like it a lot and it doesn’t deserve nearly as much of the hate it gets.
@@jimbowlan5804, I watched both the theatrical and assembly cuts of Alien 3, and while the Assembly Cut is very clearly the superior version, as a whole, I still don't really care for the movie.
Because Alien Resurrection gave us our Ripley back for one last fun romp in the future :-) And that's what Alien Resurrection is...a fun nightmare romp.
Out of the quadriliogy I respect the third movie for one the actors did very well considering how the movie started off and two it has the only original ending for killing the xenomorph. E.g 1, 2 and 4 endings result in the destruction of the nostromo, Hadley's and Auriga and blowing the xeno into space, Alien 3 the refinery stays in tact and the xeno is killed with reactions to hot and cold
It wasnt CGI as such, it was rod puppets that filmed on a green screen, then super imposed on the film, so no computer cgi was used, and well the outcome is disappointing. I dont know why when they put together the assembly cut, just go back and use CGI to replace the rod puppet effects shot, as in 2003, cgi was good enough to use by then.
I've always enjoyed Alien 3 and I loved how it ended with Ripleys death. That whole sequence with the rousing music, chest burst, cradling the Alien against her body. Haunting and tragic.
I like it but it has flaws. I never cared for killing the characters from Aliens that much, actually I liked it because it made the movie even more tragic. My theory is that if you prefer Alien over Aliens you might like Alien3 but if you prefer Aliens you certainty won't like it. I would say that this is partially supported by this video, as only two of the negative reviews prefer Alien
It does have it's flaws. I wouldn't disagree too much with someone who didn't like it, even I think the good outweighs the bad. Giving it the lowest score possible, which rates it in the same territory as movies like Beast of Yucca Flats doesn't make much sense, though.
I prefer aliens over alien but I still love 3 but I didn’t when I saw it in theaters but now I love it even with all its flaws but I love the assembly cut more when I watch it I say this is what should have come out in theaters
Killing Newt, Bishop and Hicks on screen probably would've had the effect of raising the stakes and making it more tragic - but killing them off screen did more to turn people off the film. I wonder if more people would've given it a chance if we could've seen Hicks and Bishop die on screen, fighting in a doomed effort.
@@xabungle5192 That would still have been heartbreaking, but it would allow them to go with some fucking dignity and pride and provide further motivation for Ripley/Newt
I watch this film every 3 years or so. The alien franchise will always remain a close favorite to my heart. I remember watching Aliwn for the worst time when I was like 6 or 7, it was on tv. I was hiding behind a wall while watching it lol
Alien 3 was a movie with a big potential to become a classic,never the less the movie had its unique aesthetic and gruesome scenes,an underrated movie for sure.
The premise for Alien 3 was solid, it should have been part 2 of the trilogy with aliens being the final part, in retrospect. Imagine after alien her pod crashes on fury, then at the end she is rescued by the company. Then part 3 the events of aliens happens. You wouldent need to change much but I think it would make a better trilogy
This film has some amazing strengths. Flawed, perhaps, but compared to the soulless Hollywood pap we're fed these days this film is practically a cinematic masterpiece
As an individual film it's a pretty enjoyable, gritty Alien movie. As a sequel its an absolute shithouse disaster that needlessly pisses all over the legacy of Aliens. Both these things are true.
Vincent wards script is the script that killed hicks and newt as his script was basically mixed with ideas from a lot of the other scripts and was still being written as filming began
I don’t agree with the majority that A3 is THAT bad compared to its predecessors which were considered masterpieces in their own right. Grew up on Alien and the sounds of facehugger eggs hatching haunted my bedroom for years. And if I ever left a sliding closet door open in the deep darkness that was my room, I swear I could see the queen xenomorph replicating the elevator scene. Darkness, dread and an illusion of hope already existed for me against such a formidable foe. The perfect life form. A killing machine without remorse. I felt A3 further amplified the truth about the xenos, that the species is truly horrifying and hopes of surviving it, very foolish. I love to explore the depth of darkness and dread. So I didn’t mind it. I liked it. Alien Resurrection? Abomination.
I agree it's not as bad as people might think, there are flaws but that doesnt ruin it for me. I rewatch the original alien and the pacing kills me, it's really slow, but that's not a bad thing. Even resurrection has some interesting lore, but it's it's awful movie
Fun side note: the band “A3” (originally known as Alabama 3) is fantastic Sort of a psychedelic hillbilly cult astatic… they made the theme song from “Sopranos”
@@breathofdifferentair1950 Resurrection was bad,too "Hollywood-ish" imo,but still watchable. A3 was good,just different than 1 & 2,i think most criticism is from ppl who expected Aliens,or Alien. If u accept it is not either,it's good. I love the bleakness & depressing tone of it... But A.T. is right,opinions are subjective,but 1 star is too harsh!?
I absolutely loved Alien 3. Unparalleled atmosphere and setting. One of my favorite all time movies. I think I watched it atleast 6 times and plan on doing it many more times. There is something special about this film.
It's a very different film from the first two, and as a sequel to a sequel, it had to do something different (hell, Alien and Aliens are very different films). In Alien and Aliens, we pretty much learn everything there is about the alien. We know their life cycle, their activities, and it's hard to do a story about a creature when, for the most part, the audience knows everything about the creature. In Alien, you're seeing everything fresh, and it's terrifying. In Aliens, it's horrifying; we see plenty of of the aliens, and we know what they can and will do, but they're not quite as scary, since we have at least a good idea of what they are. As Ripley says, "You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else.". They can't really do much without changing the nature of the alien at this point, and there's no point in doing so. It's a grim and depressing film, and that works for it. Ripley is tired, she's fought the creature twice, and she knows she is going to be killed by it, and the only hope she has is with a band of murderers and worse, the scum of humanity. And they're still better than Wayland Yutani. It's a dark and depressing universe, and the alien isn't the only monster in that universe. Plus, it is one of the few Alien films that doesn't have the final alien killed by airlock.
Very good point. You're absolutely right about first two films. They had already explained everything. Despite that Alien 3 brought some new and really fresh ideas - xenomorph's ability to take features of their hosts plus the royal facehugger was introduced too. Nowadays every Alien based novel, video game, comic uses those ideas
Alien 3 is perfect because the Alien franchise should be a cruel one, imagine crying about the character you relate to dying. Everything is death in alien , at least take the aliens with you
The deaths of Hicks and Newt are close to what really could happen in a crash such as that. Amazing even Ripley survived. No plot armour here. I respect that. Alien 3 is beaten only by Alien as my favourite.
...I...couldn't care less. The three of them were supposed to live on a small planet and fight xenos every season until the finale where they finally get married because without the _clear_ sexual tension it would just be another bug hunt.
@@kurogiza - Sorry, been away for a bit. The other was Now You See Me. It actively lies and then cheats the audience. It wants to be like the Sixth Sense where it turns every scene you have watched on its head. But it’s not clever enough for that. So it lies about the previous scenes in the film so that it can have its twist at the end. It lies about how the detective character has interacted in the film. It’s a stupid stupid terrible film. Alex Kurtzman was involved with it. That’s all you need to know.
I love Alien 3. The Special Edition belongs right up there with the first two movies. It’s excellent and a fitting end to Ripley’s story despite Alien: Resurrection. Less hugging, less “family”, more nihilist horror please.
Exactly, it always kind of blowed my mind many people wanted to see Hicks and Newt play happy families with Ripley and what? Go on adventures hunting Aliens? Nah Alien 3 has many faults but they made the right calls overall imo.
Love alien 3 and all the actors involved in it, dunno why it gets so much hate! Did people expect Ripley Hicks and Newt to start a family and live happily ever after? Once a xenomorph is involved your life and any hopes and dreams you have are totally fucked!! Everyone is gonna end up dead or a nervous wreck, it’s a magnificent specimen like Bishop says but Ripley payed the ultimate price
Nah. It just made sense that they would survive In Alien, there was one Alien and one survivor. In Aliens, there were many Aliens and multiple survivors. It's escalation and also accomplishment and to strip that away is to undermine the actions the characters took in Aliens... and for what? Just to introduce a bunch of poorly written characters in their stead I'd agree that the tonal shift back to horror was probably the right move, but it wasn't necessary or narratively satisfying to kill off the others (off-screen no less ffs!!!) to achieve that.
"The prisoners only know one word- the F WORD" Reviewer can memorize the color of the word "Sulaco" on the hull and is really acting like they never listened to the dialogue in the other two films
Yeah but in this one it's like when a group of prepubescents learn a couple of swear words and then use them continually. I actually like profanity in films, but like everything else it has to fit well rather than be gratuitous, which it certainly is in Alien 3.
What you really see in these reviews is that these people no longer see convicts as people… any attempt to have them be seen as anything other than villains falls on deaf hate filled ears Get crazy and read some of the comics… they’re all very dark and everyone dies most of the time
How dare these convicts use naughty language… my poor virgin ears never expected such foul language from a prison under siege… a population comprised of scum and rapists USING DIRTY WORDS?!?!?!?!!? NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was really hyped for Alien: Covenant before it was released. Then I watched it in the theater, and the first thing I asked who was with me was: "Why in the holy fuck would he ever follow the sociopathic, mass murdering Android down into the egg chamber? Especially after everything that was revealed to him, beforehand?"
WTF 😳 Alien 3 is my favorite 🥺 I love the setting, i love the acting and what an Intro ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ I mean as David Fincher's Cinema deput it was brilliant 👍
Look, there are aspects of that film that are great and some even iconic. Ripley diving into the hot lead is dope and makes her into a Jesus figure and there's so many layers. But as a directorial debut, Fincher killed a child (and a dog) and a protagonist from the last film OFFSCREEN then had scum of the earth cremate them in the film. Even if the film would've been shot differently, when you add these plot points up, it's the cinematic equivalent of Chuck Palahniuk's short story "Guts" where a guy's intestines are sucked out of his body in a pool. Shock value is value I guess, but even as someone who still watches Alien3 (and fanedits) fully knowing it's not his vision, you can't do that and expect a wide audience to look past that. I get that he wanted to shake the pro-imperialist thing Cameron built, that people for some reason connect to Alien as if there was a consistent vision and it wasn't kinda contrived and far fetched that they took her immediately back to LV426. Cameron just has that swagger that sells bullshit. All Fincher had to do is follow the damn train, CJ. I still love all of these films and enjoy them as if they were comic books, by different artist and who gives a damn about continuity. Fincher is now one of the best directors ever, and Jean Pierre Jeunet delivered an awesome, stand-alone Alien Resurrection. It's all awesome stuff, even if 3 is ultra-macabre.
Unpopular opinion here but, I like 3 more then 2. I like the idea of only having one alien. In aliens 2 it was easy to kill the hundreds of Xenomorph's and the humans had guns. I. The 1st and 3rd movie no guns and one xenomorph that seams invincible. Also like what a other commenter said, the 3rd Introduces the xenomorph idea of taking on the traits of host, great addition to the lore of the zenomorph.
I saw Alien 3 in the theater with my dad. Back then, there were no production leaks except maybe the little bit of news that would come out in magazines. I was insanely excited as I would watch Aliens pretty much everyday after school. I watched it so much I was able to recite ALL of the dialog from memory. The theater had a hive looking setup that you had to walk through to get tickets. I remember wanting to leave after Newt's autopsy scene and not wanting to watch it again until much later in life. When I did watch it, I wondered why I even bothered.
Crazy, I was 10 when I saw it with my parents, I liked it. The newt autopsy scene disturbed me too, which makes a more gruesome autopsy scene that was filmed jarring to think about. I still like alien 3, but for me the real alien 3 comes from the Dark Horse comics following Hicks, Newt, and eventually Ripley. Not sure if the alternate alien 3, that was released in comic form is necessarily better, but at least newt lives.
Original fans of the film who fell in love with Ripley, Hicks and Newt and the possible future those characters had (becoming a surrogate family, maybe) after surviving the horrors of Hadley’s Hope. That idea was implied by Cameron and definitely what the characters and fans deserved. It was wholesome after a shared and traumatic experience. The implication that those three characters made it back to earth and stayed together was the pay-off for the fans. What Ripley had survived twice and when you really think about it, the position Newt had been in, all alone and being hunted by the aliens, what a terrifying ordeal, surviving with the very basic life skills of a 6 yo, it’s so incredible, it’s almost inconceivable that she remained uncaptured and alive, but Cameron’s story was so well told, it was believable. What Newt meant to Ripley on so many levels, a chance to be a mother again after missing out on Amanda’s life, a chance to redeem some of the guilt she would have felt for not being their for her own daughter, the promise she couldn’t keep (not through her own fault) but that wouldn’t have alleviated the guilt any less, the fact that she made a promise to Newt and this time she kept it' putting herself at unbelievable risk to do so. The chance to give Newt a mother’s love, again from someone who fully understood what she’d been through and Hicks, the patriarch who would have loved and protected them both. The fact that was ripped away from us in the first few minutes of Alien3 is unforgivable. The fans cannot see past this betrayal. The film is pretty good, but because they betrayed us the way they did, it immediately set a hatred of the film. Even James Cameron was angry about it, like Michael Biehn stated, ‘The final third act of Aliens was about keeping Newt safe and alive.’ The film could be awesome, but the fans can’t see past the betrayal of killing Newt, Hicks and Ripley and all the trio stood for. The William Gibson script is kinder to us and much more endearing, but I almost cried when they sent Newt to Oregon to live with her grandparents and they didn’t get a chance to say good bye to each other. In both Alien and Aliens, we cared about the characters, we were rooting for them.
Yeah, agreed. One nitpick though: You said Newt was 6. By the time of the events of Aliens, Newt was 12. But I digress. Yeah, that idea of Ripley, Hicks, and Newt returning to Earth and developing into a surrogate family as they collectively deal with the trauma of their experiences on LV-426 is a great idea. I personally think a great idea for a story would've been for this to be the first act of an alternate Alien 3, until Newt is kidnapped by Weyland-Yutani to force Ripley and Hicks to clean up another one of their messes on LV-426: an ill-advised attempt at exploiting the alien derelict (designated Origin) to harness the power of the Xenomorphs had predictably gone wrong, and Ripley and Hicks were the only people alive with any experience in combatting them. It could've been an epic climax to this trilogy, with Ripley returning to LV-426 for the final time, no longer seeking to destroy the Xenomorphs out of vengeance, but because she has a family now, and she'll be damned if she's gonna let these aliens take that away from her again. But that's just my idea.
@@occam7382 huh... did you purposefully mirror aspects the plot of Metroid 3 (Super Metroid) because Metroid 1 and 2 took inspiration from Alien and Aliens? Because if not you totally are and that's awesome... some things come full circle
@@occam7382 Basically in Metroid 2 Samus returns to the Metroid homeworld to exterminate them (very similar to Ripley destroying the hive in 2) and after she thinks she has eradicated them all she finds a lone baby Metroid survivor which she can't kill as she instantly forms a connection with it (for Aliens that's Newt - not an Alien, but something Ripley grows attached to). In Metroid 3 the baby Metroid (which she gave to scientists for study) is kidnapped by evil space pirates and it draws her back into the fight to save it and prevent them from cloning it for bio weapon use. So you can see how your idea for a different Alien 3 echoes that nicely :)
Omg you have no idea! I remember I bought the special edition DVD and watch all the 20 to 40 minute bonus documentaries while eating an entire box of thin crust domino's 🍕.... before I watched the film. years ago at 1am. Ik too much info!
The only thing I didn't like about Alien 3 was the fact that most of the prisoners looked alike and it was difficult to follow who was who. The dog alien was an interesting switch to the biped aliens that came before it
I get it, after James Cameron’s Aliens, everyone, Alien Fan & Casual Cinephile alike wanted to see more of that future James Cameron showed us besides more Xenomorphs
Alien 3 wasn't fan service. It had balls. It didn't care if it was liked or not. Took chances studios would never take these days and I like the brutality and lack of remorse it has. It told the story it wanted to tell.
She didn't want to use them in Aliens, but James Cameron convinced her that Ripley would want to kill all the Aliens. Which is absolutely true Not sure about what happen in this film though. That could have happened I guess, but it seems odd that she'd care after making that step in the previous film
I will comment before I watch: My opinion is that if Aliens(2) never happened, then this move would have been decent as a sequel; Ripley is picked up after hypersleep from the first movie, and there is no Hicks or Newt. However if that were true, it probably would have been criticized as being a repeat of the plot line to the first movie. So even in that scenario, it doesnt work so well. Of course I may be biased because I love the Hicks and Newt characters, but in Alien 3 my expectations were thrown on the floor and stomped on. Not unlike The Last Jedi. Maybe my opinion will be swayed after I watch this. Best regards
Atleast I can enjoy alien 3 unlike the SW sequels l, alien 3s issue was the poor decisions (like killing off hicks and newt) and constant script changes. As much as I like the William Gibson version of alien 3 over what we got the issue with that one is that ripley isn't in that one either, while I'm fine with having a movie to give hicks a chance to shine others would understabily be angry that the main protagonist is in a comma.
@@delta2372 I don’t think that killing Newt and Hicks was the problem. After all Ripley dies as well. I think the problem was killing them off right at the start. They should’ve had Newt or Hicks die in the first third of the film. Then whoever’s left between Newt and Hicks dies in the second third and Ripley dies in the last third. It’s just that they needed to give the fans at least a little more time with these characters before ripping them from us.
The Assembly cut is a superior version of the film and far too hard to access. I didn't really like Alien 3 theatrical, but the assembly cut entirely changed my opinion. [Edit] The new Dune is a 2020s pretty graphic, shot for shot remake of the 1st third of David Lynchs film. In Hindsight, I am truly impressed with just how much story is in his version and how much the new movie is basically the equivalent of the Syfy Channels "Frank Herberts Dune." The new film is not bad, but if you've seen the previous two screen incarnations you've seen almost all but two scenes in the film.
Okay, it's definitely not worth one star but I'm not going to argue with people too much on this one lol. When I talk to my friends? The Alien series ends after the movie Aliens. And I absolutely love your channel! I go to bed almost every night listening to accounts of the earth war 💙
I love Alien3 - Assembly Cut. It takes the strong, stark visuals, the great actors (which are on par with Alien), and soundtrack of the theatrical release, and restores an actual story to the film. And it is a story that I really like, with Golic's character completely changed (i.e. restored) in editing, and much tension and drama reintroduced. At present, my ranking and enjoyment of these movies go, Alien, Alien3 (AC), Aliens, and then everything else.
As for the facehugger targeting a dog despite the alien not targrting jones in a1...the answer is in the statement. The ALIEN didnt care about the cat so much, but a facehugger probably would have latched on. The facehugger is the one that facehugs, not the grown alien
Love the first 3 equally and sometimes will like one more than the others including Alien 3, Alien Resurrection is a high budget Roger Corman movie tho. Also the Alien in Alien 3 I've always found absolutely terrifing compared to the other films
Late to the party but thanks for compiling these into a video. In an era where one-star (and ten-star) reviews are occasionally used to deliberately influence the rating of a newly released show/movie, it has been interesting to watch this and see the, more often than not thoughtful and eloquent criticisms, from older and also more recent reviews. I have seen Alien 3 and found myself agreeing with the vast majority of the reviews you have shown here. If it was a standalone (non-franchise) sci-fi film, I could see it getting a midrange score of 5 out of 10, but for a sequel in the Alien universe, following in the footsteps of the first two films and having a legacy to respect and build upon, it does deserve a lot of the criticism it gets and I can empathize with reviewers who gave one-star reviews. I'd hazard a guess most fans who despise Alien 3 didn't want or expect it to be a sugar-coated, light-in-tone sequel with Ripley, Hicks and Newt sailing off into the sunset as a happy 'pseudo-family', but I agree with them that simply killing two of these characters off-screen before the opening credits have barely finished is disrespectfully lazy and creatively bankrupt. I haven't seen the Assembly Cut version of Alien 3, but having read that it doesn't significantly alter what happens to any of those aforementioned characters, I don't feel the need to watch it as it can't be edited into an entirely new film. I've watched all of the films in the Alien universe and, except for the first two films, they are all pretty much forgettable and the franchise has now entirely lost its way (this began with Alien 3). I will be somewhat interested to see what direction they take in the new 'Romulus' movie, but they will have to convince me to watch it, whereas when Alien 3 was about to hit cinemas I couldn't wait to go and see it. As a sci-fi horror fan I will be forever grateful for the the creation and existence of Alien, Alien Isolation and Aliens but, just because a film (or game) has got a xenomorph/xenomorphs in it, doesn't mean it should be immune from being lambasted by fans who feel it tarnishes previous works and gives the franchise a careless, misdirected shove towards mediocrity.
Alien 3 will always be the sad finale to the ALIENS trilogy, but at least we get Ripley back 200 years later :-) Its not the finale we wanted, but it's the sad downward spiral that we got. Luckily, theres plenty of E.U. stuff to replace it, if desired.
I hated Alien 3 for killing Newt and Hicks off screen. I saw Aliens several times in the cinema at the time and was excited to see the teaser posters for Alien 3 years later. I watched it only once. However, in recent years, I’ve come to like the assembly cut. I imagined there was another movie between Aliens and Alien 3 that was never made where the Newt, Hicks and Ripley of Alien 3 were clones. It’s just a pity that Blomkamp’s Alien movie never got made.
As always, fantastic video. I’ve suggested your channel to several people and hopefully they’ve given it a look. My two cents on Alien 3. I did see it on opening day. Aliens was my first experience with the franchise and it excited me to see the original. As the first film came out when I was 8, the second film came out while I was still too young to buy my own ticket and my great grandmother took me. She was a good sport sitting through a film of blood, violence, and gore. Her only review, as a kindnesses to my enthusiasm was “well, it was very loud”. By contrast, my first experience with Alien was on VHS with a fantastic sound system and a very well watched rental copy. For what ever reason, the tape had a fold in it during the egg hugger scene that made the scene play out in utter silence until the titular moment and then the picture went to loud static nearly giving me a heart attack. I of course loved the rest of the film as it played flawlessly to the conclusion. So, my first experience as an adult with the franchise had me go to the store, purchase an Alien 3 t-shirt, advanced tickets, and I read up on all the info I could that didn’t reveal plot. I knew going in that the studio wanted an Alien like experience vs more action. I knew Weaver wanted an end to the franchise and was given the producer’s title to get a bigger cut as part of agreeing to do the movie. I knew Fincher took on the project as part of a green light arrangement to do 7. I was disappointed after, but like this film more than resurrection. It has a grit and a different take as well as opening the door for franchise expansion. The assembly cut helps. Not my favorite, and it is a testament to how a studio can ruin a franchise simply by forcing something to come out vs waiting for the right story. I like the film today. Still not my favorite, but ok considering the production mess. Good video
Love your videos. Your analysis of the movies and lore is so good. Alien 3 messed up when they killed off Hicks and Newt in my opinion. So much invested in those characters (especially Hicks) just to be killed off in a lame fashion. The aliens franchise wants to see a sequel where Hicks and newt were not killed off.
well, you've definately sacrificed for your art, so I salute you. I generally track your viewpoint: I appreciated the film on its own merits and gave it a lot of leeway to render the dialog and action differently and treat the legacy iconoclastically (if that's a word). You know, we got something from each of those things. Having the broken dialog and oddly emphasized languaged ("Fuck it, let's go for it!" drew a cringe from me) let them compose words into the visual imagery-morse's upstretched arms, when he yells that last line, the back and forth between Dillon and Ripley in the dining hall, the barbs of distrust between Ripley and Clemmons about her mental and physical state. It wasn't naturalistic dialog but the lines moved the characters through an expansive range of situations where they ran a whole gamut of emotions. Some scenes benefitted from this, like the Autopsy. Second, and most important from an artistic standpoint was to not mollycoddle the story by making the characters from the last story too precious to hurt. The movie was trying to tell a very nihilistic story about human nature and I think they were trying to get down past the usual safe narratives about fighting monsters, and even fighting monsters while fighting ourselves into the basement where our struggle is only to preserve human blindness to it's own depravity. This was the only place they could go (well, there's one other, but no one considered that the Alien might be something more complex than a Jungian silhouette) and to be different, this story would have to be a darker look at humanity than either of it's predecessors. That got us the bambi-burster scene, the folley of prisoner Gollic and the antagonistic but earnest dynamic of Ripley, Clemmons and Andrews. And visually, I thought it was also a corageous way to use depth of field and focus to tell the story-which made the camera an ambiguous and involuntary narrator (the macro shot of the syringe pumping clear liquid into Ripley's arm while the Alien silhouette is filling the background and sending Gollic into hysterics. Cameron and Scott had both focused on surface color and texture. relying on shadow and falloff to give depth and psychologically play with the viewer As a result, transparency, camera artifacts and the relative age of objects weren't easily discernable in the first two movies where they were incredibly prominent in Alien 3, and were actually used to tell the truth concealed by the shot. But I also lament for the lost opportunity to tell the story of the first two films, in a more complete way, not just use them for raw material. I defended the film to its critics when it came out in 1992, but these days, I've probably been disappointed by too many similar attempts to shine me on with artistic trickery when someone didn't have a story(Eyes Wide Shut). I was disgusted by Alien Resurrection the first time I saw it because of this. In almost every way, it was worse than Alien 3-after the Aliens broke out of holding. Up to that point, I thought it was pretty good). So I get the ambivalence and appreciation. These days, I have to let go of some of my hardened cynicism about new versions of things I loved in youth. I haven't watched Alien 3 in a while, but I'll get back to it soon enough.
*Aliens specifically is literally one of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time and as a biology student in LOVE the expansions on the hive like mentality that the xenomorphs have when in numbers. I love the expansions on the class orders of such xenomorphs and hives. I LOVE the xenomorph queen and her higher intelligence and telepathic abilities. I LOVE Vasquez and her last stand in the vent ducks. The xenos are stronger, bigger , faster. It’s an amazing movie but I honestly love all 3*
I love alien 3, its gritty and real. Alien 4 is fuckin appalling, totally out of contrast with the other movies. Bouncing bullets off ceilings and stupid french arty tones.
Despite its flaws, I love the Lynch version of Dune. Even having seen the Villeneuve version, which may be a better adaptation, my appreciation of the Lynch version has not diminished. One analogy might be that two sculptors were given identical pieces of marble and given the same instructions by their patron. What they create will invariably be different, but that doesn't affect the value of either result. Their work can be appreciated for their similarities and their differences, and films should be considered in the same way.
I really like Lynch's Dune as well. Watched it many times. Gotta say, I found Denis V's Dune boring, ugly (which for him is weird) and unengaging. They had so much time to tell 1/2 the story and I feel it just got wasted. Josh Brolin is always reliable and so is Jason Momoa. Oscar Isaac wasn't great in this; not compared to Jurgen Prochnow and William Hurt in other adaptions, playing the same character. Javier Bardem is great, but not even used at all in this one. Timothy Chalamet is not my cup of tea. Looks 18 but is almost 27...too much youth for this role. Either way, I agree on Lynch's Dune.
You kinda hit the nail on the head, for me, straight off AT..... It was losing Hicks and Newt for me.....we had so much invested in those two characters.....and even more importantly Ripley did too..... I felt Dark Horse dealt with the characters better, at the time. But as time passed I began to feel that that's the way life is.... unfair......and I began to accept that.. As a piece of cinema, having seen it upon release, it was a beautiful looking picture.....and much better than people believe. Thanks for a great video Alien Theory 😁
I watch all Alien sequels as a “what if” scenario, however, with Alien 3, I most constantly remind myself “what if” all the time. I can still enjoy it, but it is best as a standalone movie.
Honestly I liked the old dune more. It's just difficult to fit a 24 hour book read into a 2 hour movie. They should have made it like lotr. 3 movies 3 hours each.
I had a hard time following the original “Dune.” Why was there so much whispering? I had to keep my hand on the remote so I could turn up the volume. (“Pssst! I am the Shattered Grapes. The housekeeper.”) Speak louder, please!
Even with the 2021 Version that everyone loves, they have cut an amazing amount out, so would have to agree 3 3 hour movies released one year after the other. The way Dune 2021 was teased and advertised for years, then release dates constantly being pushed back, with only half a story has been maddening. It is Dune "PART ONE" in 2021. The Lynch version(s) I know of at least 4, seem to get side tracked into silly things on the assumption the audience was not intelligent enough to understand the Dune story. *Examples: weirding modules rather than martial arts, heart plugs in all Harkonnen, milking a cat as an antidote for poison, and on and on* The first one for all it's faults and questionable special effects could have been justice if they just hadn't wasted so much time on trivial side paths, in about 4 hours, I think at least.
I was born in 1974 and grew up with Alien, Aliens and Alien 3. I seen Alien at the Drive In as a kid with my parents, then I seen Aliens in the Theatre as a teenager with my Uncle and till this day its the best movie i’ve seen in a theatre. I waited years for Alien 3 and was so excited when it came out !!! I dropped 3 hits of blotter LSD and went to se Alien3 at the theatre and within the first 5minutes I was emotionally devastated that everybody but Ripley has died. The only part that I liked in Alien 3 was when the Alien kills the guy climbing the ladder with the detonator, when he drops it the tracers were insane as it slowly fell only to ignite when hitting the ground.
Alien 3 was the first Alien movie i saw in theaters. It ripped my heart out in the first 2 minutes with the death of __Spoiler?__ and __spoiler?___. I couldn't recover after that and i had a strong distaste for the movie for about 20 years. But ive warmed up to it over the years. I view it more of an oddity, particularly equipped with the knowledge of what this movie could have been, should have been and the different regional editing choices.
I met Paul McGann (Golic) at a con yesterday, and I said I’m sorry FOX messed up Alien 3, and he said “Oh yeah they messed Fincher around, but he had the last laugh though - he’s David Fincher!” He also went onto to say he’s never seen the film, but heard about the Assembly Cut, and the chances of Fincher reclaiming it and doing his own cut were probably zero.
i like three too, i think it was quite brave and different, just the setting was great and there are some cool characters, people seem to give it more hate than it deserves.
This is one of the greatest films ever made. For me it’s in my top 10 greatest. I don’t eee how people say this was bad movie. I’m like this movie has left us with the most iconic moments in film history emblazoned in our psyches. It’s hard core and that’s hard to market to the masses.
The egg isn't a problem for me; the egg sac was there to allow some control over where the egg is placed. The eggs themselves, however, are developed inside the Queen, so it could feasibly be laid by the queen at some point, perhaps in the dropship itself.
I just realized that the 20th Century Fox executive producers that were parasitizing David Fincher in Alien 3 are just like the character Carter J. Burke from Aliens. Sent in by an unscrupulous greedy corporation with anxiety to oversee (and eventually screw up with greediness) the fine work that very capable people were doing to salvage a bad situation.
I like the extended version; I wasn't old enough to see it in theaters when it came out, but it was still at least a decade in between when I first saw the theatrical version, and when I saw the extended cut. I liked it a lot more after seeing the extended cut.
Admittedly, I probably saw this movie for the first time when I was too young, but even back then I thought that it was a great sci-fi/horror film even though it wasn't perfect.
I was VERY upset at the deaths in the opening But it didn’t cloud my judgement on the merits of the film The doctor is one of my favorite characters in the series actually
You know what's funny? As I watch this, the video that RUclips has decided to put up at the top of the list to the left of things to watch next is Aliens3 and they want me to pay to watch it. LMAO!
I'm surprised David Fincher didn't write a one star review of Alien 3.
lol,good comment
Probably too busy crying over Twin Peaks.
I don't like how Fincher was treated when the movie was being made. Fincher was a very inexperienced director at the time and many feel he was being pushed around and undermined. His original concept for the film was very different from the concept used in Alien 3, and it was scrapped because of his inexperienced.
@@badgerden7080 yeah man,so true. Many movies have these problems today (Justice League for example,Snyder finished filming,but had to step down due to some illnes,then J.Wheadon came,filmed new scenes for extra 80mil,and final film was some half-spliced trimmed mix of... idk what)! Studio interference,and bullshit decisions from ppl who know nothing about making movies...
But yes,A3 was a total mess in the making,film is very good for what problems it had during production!
Alien 3 doomed from the start as instead of giler and hill the long time producer of the series being in charge fox took charge there were like a lot of diffrent writers and directors from 87 till 91 when they hired fincher they had spent 11 million before filming even began and then fox undermined fincher and interfered all the way he didn’t even cut the film the studio did I feel like the assembly cut should have been the cut realeased is it great no but it was a million times better
Charles S Dutton & his speeches have always been one of my favorite things about Alien 3.
"I ain't much for beggin'."
"Nobody ever gave me nothing!"
I need to educate the brothers!
I had chill at times. I ever tried to learn of one of them.
He's great... not sure what that reviewer was smoking
The script was changed on a daily basis, for what came out in the end and what Alien movies we have had since, I've got alot of love for Alien 3. Obviously it doesn't compare to Alien and Aliens, but I always sit and happily watch it once or twice a year.
Same here, I actually like the movie despite its flaws, I hate Hicks and Newt getting killed off but it’s still a great movie. Charles Dance is great, Charles Dutton also despite being a murderer and rapist of women. Pete Postlethwaite! I find Brian Glover.... difficult to be around, but love his character. Describing the alien as “generally unpleasant” 😂 overall a fantastic film, don’t care what anybody else thinks I love it as it is....
The set was a nightmare, too. From what I've gathered, two actors developed bronchitis and it was difficult to convince the dog to stay in outlying areas, apparently. When the dog is uncomfortable it's time to shoot the film somewhere else, I think.
Same here! At least once a year! All three of them.
What's with some of the A-holes who hate the sfx of the alien? It was one of the first films (i think) to use cgi to annimate the alien. This was in the 90s ffs. I think the alien in this film was utter badass.
@Rob it shows how little the studio thinks of the movie, to have not fixed those comps with more modern digital techniques.
I love the reference to The Great Gatsby at 10:20 ("other brave souls beat on, boats against the current"). Alien Theory is always "borne back ceaselessly into the past."
To be honest, I love Alien 3 as much as Alien and Aliens. I love its dark atmosphere. The runner xenomorph looks great and the whole film has many awesome moments - tunnel chase, the Ripley/xenomorph close-up scene, romance with Clemens, epic final scene, great soundtrack, nice acting, fresh ideas about royal facehuggers and xenomorph's ability to take features of their hosts!!!!!!!
It's definitely grown on me with age. I feel it's flawed and suffers from too much verisimilitude to Alien. But reasonably well put together and enjoyable none the less.
Tallon hunter I hated 3 when I saw it in theaters 29 years ago but when I watched it a second time in 93 it grew on me now I watch the assembly cut maybe 2 to 3 times a year
@@jimbowlan5804 Same here. I hated Alien 3 back in 1992 but now I love it sooo much. The assembly cut version is much better but I still prefer 2 things in the theatrical one: the dog burster moment looked better than the ox one and the Ripley's final epic chestburster should have been included to both versions.
How can you love Aliens AND Alien 3? I hate Alien 3 for ruining Aliens. They just throw away 2 great characters at the very beginning, and put her in a stupid prison with a shaved head. This movie should not have been made.
@@ColdBloodedBastard Well, many people hate AlienS for ruining Alien (1979) and turning it into brainless action and cartoon characters. Opinions differ. I've already listed great moments from Alien 3 which I loved. If you only saw "shaved head" characters then you didn't get that film at all. By the way, this is a very hostile universe. Characters die here
I actually like Alien 3; in particular, the assembly cut!
Out of the four original films, I'd place it in my top two, along with Alien. It's the bleakness and fatalistic outlook of the film that I find appealing.
Covenant: "Look how old you've become."
Alien 3: "Something far worse has happened to you!"
Nice drawing the Star Wars comparison. Though i find one scene from the “sequel trilogy” more offensive and foul than the entirety of “Alien 3”. Then again TLJ was the first film I ever watched that actually made me angry.
@@mikewaterfield3599 Get over yourself dude.
@@Clay3613 its not myself that needs getting over, i need to learn to stare vacantly and applaud while a new generation of hollywood hacks pretend they are worthy to get the coffee for those who’s work they finger paint upon.
Alien 3: " I know where you come from, before you called yourself part of the canon"
@@NicoParasite “before you called yourself Kylo Rhen” there’s something sad about being such a try hard you assign your own “title” and wear a mask for emo purposes only. Vader was horrifically burned and needed life support, whats Ben Soylo’s excuse?
Just wait till you get to Alien Resurrection and Prometheus and Covenant lol. They will be quite scathing. Having said that, I’ve grown to very much appreciate Alien 3. I like it a lot and it doesn’t deserve nearly as much of the hate it gets.
I think if the people who hate 3 watch the assembly cut their opinions might change just like mine
Alien 3 is the worst one I've seen it a few times but its the
Least I look forward to watching out of them all
Almost time, in fact we are overdue for Resurrection.
@@jimbowlan5804, I watched both the theatrical and assembly cuts of Alien 3, and while the Assembly Cut is very clearly the superior version, as a whole, I still don't really care for the movie.
I enjoyed Alien Resurrection. Sure it was cheesy but it had some interesting characters and was entertaining. Covenant was utter trash
“Guy reads IMDB reviews and comments on them” and I’m loving it.
I don't know how anyone can put Resurrection over Alien 3.
Yeah, I agree with you. You can say what you want about it, but Alien 3 could have been much, much worse.
Its like ranking the flu over a bad cold.
They both suck
@@GlidingZephyr yes...Alien 3 proved Hell has a basement.
Resurrection is dumb fun and more pleasing visually.
Because Alien Resurrection gave us our Ripley back for one last fun romp in the future :-) And that's what Alien Resurrection is...a fun nightmare romp.
I love Alien 3 . It's such a dark , depressive, apocaliptic film !
Seeing how long this video is doesn’t matter for me
Alien 3 is still great in my heart
What do you like about it?
Agree.
Out of the quadriliogy I respect the third movie for one the actors did very well considering how the movie started off and two it has the only original ending for killing the xenomorph. E.g 1, 2 and 4 endings result in the destruction of the nostromo, Hadley's and Auriga and blowing the xeno into space, Alien 3 the refinery stays in tact and the xeno is killed with reactions to hot and cold
Excellent point.
I love how they killed the Alien in this film.
One of its best aspects.
There's enough content here for most of my lunch breaks this week. What a legend.
I find it amusing how many complain about "how bad the CG in Alien 3 is" when as far as i know the effects were entirely practical.
Then the effects are even worse.
It wasnt CGI as such, it was rod puppets that filmed on a green screen, then super imposed on the film, so no computer cgi was used, and well the outcome is disappointing. I dont know why when they put together the assembly cut, just go back and use CGI to replace the rod puppet effects shot, as in 2003, cgi was good enough to use by then.
@@adamduffield7782 Too expensive is the likely answer.
I've always enjoyed Alien 3 and I loved how it ended with Ripleys death. That whole sequence with the rousing music, chest burst, cradling the Alien against her body. Haunting and tragic.
I'm glad you eenjoyed it, man. I... did not.
I like it but it has flaws. I never cared for killing the characters from Aliens that much, actually I liked it because it made the movie even more tragic. My theory is that if you prefer Alien over Aliens you might like Alien3 but if you prefer Aliens you certainty won't like it. I would say that this is partially supported by this video, as only two of the negative reviews prefer Alien
It does have it's flaws. I wouldn't disagree too much with someone who didn't like it, even I think the good outweighs the bad.
Giving it the lowest score possible, which rates it in the same territory as movies like Beast of Yucca Flats doesn't make much sense, though.
I prefer aliens over alien but I still love 3 but I didn’t when I saw it in theaters but now I love it even with all its flaws but I love the assembly cut more when I watch it I say this is what should have come out in theaters
Killing Newt, Bishop and Hicks on screen probably would've had the effect of raising the stakes and making it more tragic - but killing them off screen did more to turn people off the film. I wonder if more people would've given it a chance if we could've seen Hicks and Bishop die on screen, fighting in a doomed effort.
@@xabungle5192 That would still have been heartbreaking, but it would allow them to go with some fucking dignity and pride and provide further motivation for Ripley/Newt
I watch this film every 3 years or so. The alien franchise will always remain a close favorite to my heart. I remember watching Aliwn for the worst time when I was like 6 or 7, it was on tv. I was hiding behind a wall while watching it lol
I was afraid to fall asleep at night. I was around 9 years old when I saw parts of the second film.
@@aliendoggy1 Great memories right? Lol
@@mr.bullionnaire9748 Great times :)
Debating whether Alien III is superior to The Matrix III is about as pointless as debating whether cat poop or dog poop tastes better in a sandwich.
I, myself, prefer the pungent bite of chicken poop.
Alien 3 was a movie with a big potential to become a classic,never the less the movie had its unique aesthetic and gruesome scenes,an underrated movie for sure.
The premise for Alien 3 was solid, it should have been part 2 of the trilogy with aliens being the final part, in retrospect. Imagine after alien her pod crashes on fury, then at the end she is rescued by the company. Then part 3 the events of aliens happens. You wouldent need to change much but I think it would make a better trilogy
That...actually could have worked in hindsight
This film has some amazing strengths. Flawed, perhaps, but compared to the soulless Hollywood pap we're fed these days this film is practically a cinematic masterpiece
As an individual film it's a pretty enjoyable, gritty Alien movie.
As a sequel its an absolute shithouse disaster that needlessly pisses all over the legacy of Aliens.
Both these things are true.
Vincent wards script is the script that killed hicks and newt as his script was basically mixed with ideas from a lot of the other scripts and was still being written as filming began
Alien 3 has it's own charm that needs to be appreciated for it's own qualities. If anything Alien 4 is much more poorly executed than 3.
I don’t agree with the majority that A3 is THAT bad compared to its predecessors which were considered masterpieces in their own right.
Grew up on Alien and the sounds of facehugger eggs hatching haunted my bedroom for years. And if I ever left a sliding closet door open in the deep darkness that was my room, I swear I could see the queen xenomorph replicating the elevator scene.
Darkness, dread and an illusion of hope already existed for me against such a formidable foe. The perfect life form. A killing machine without remorse.
I felt A3 further amplified the truth about the xenos, that the species is truly horrifying and hopes of surviving it, very foolish. I love to explore the depth of darkness and dread. So I didn’t mind it. I liked it.
Alien Resurrection? Abomination.
I'm with you. Alien 3 was proper. And I love to debate that.
Resurrection was lame.
RESPECT!
P.S. the shit that comes out today (the SW sequels for example), A3 is an oscar winner...
I agree it's not as bad as people might think, there are flaws but that doesnt ruin it for me. I rewatch the original alien and the pacing kills me, it's really slow, but that's not a bad thing. Even resurrection has some interesting lore, but it's it's awful movie
Fun side note: the band “A3” (originally known as Alabama 3) is fantastic
Sort of a psychedelic hillbilly cult astatic… they made the theme song from “Sopranos”
@@breathofdifferentair1950 Resurrection was bad,too "Hollywood-ish" imo,but still watchable. A3 was good,just different than 1 & 2,i think most criticism is from ppl who expected Aliens,or Alien.
If u accept it is not either,it's good. I love the bleakness & depressing tone of it...
But A.T. is right,opinions are subjective,but 1 star is too harsh!?
I absolutely loved Alien 3. Unparalleled atmosphere and setting. One of my favorite all time movies. I think I watched it atleast 6 times and plan on doing it many more times. There is something special about this film.
It's a very different film from the first two, and as a sequel to a sequel, it had to do something different (hell, Alien and Aliens are very different films). In Alien and Aliens, we pretty much learn everything there is about the alien. We know their life cycle, their activities, and it's hard to do a story about a creature when, for the most part, the audience knows everything about the creature. In Alien, you're seeing everything fresh, and it's terrifying. In Aliens, it's horrifying; we see plenty of of the aliens, and we know what they can and will do, but they're not quite as scary, since we have at least a good idea of what they are. As Ripley says, "You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else.". They can't really do much without changing the nature of the alien at this point, and there's no point in doing so.
It's a grim and depressing film, and that works for it. Ripley is tired, she's fought the creature twice, and she knows she is going to be killed by it, and the only hope she has is with a band of murderers and worse, the scum of humanity. And they're still better than Wayland Yutani. It's a dark and depressing universe, and the alien isn't the only monster in that universe.
Plus, it is one of the few Alien films that doesn't have the final alien killed by airlock.
Very good point. You're absolutely right about first two films. They had already explained everything. Despite that Alien 3 brought some new and really fresh ideas - xenomorph's ability to take features of their hosts plus the royal facehugger was introduced too. Nowadays every Alien based novel, video game, comic uses those ideas
Alien 3 is perfect because the Alien franchise should be a cruel one, imagine crying about the character you relate to dying. Everything is death in alien , at least take the aliens with you
Great movie. Not an expected sequel to the last, but a great movie.
The deaths of Hicks and Newt are close to what really could happen in a crash such as that. Amazing even Ripley survived. No plot armour here. I respect that. Alien 3 is beaten only by Alien as my favourite.
...I...couldn't care less. The three of them were supposed to live on a small planet and fight xenos every season until the finale where they finally get married because without the _clear_ sexual tension it would just be another bug hunt.
@@Nah_Bohdi oh.
You're correct... but they could have simply wrote that you know... that they didn't crash instead?
One of only two films in my 50 years that actually made me angry at the movie in the theatre while I was watching it.
and the other?
@@superubergoober I know right? Dying to hear the other one.
You are leaving us hanging here, what was the other one!?
@@kurogiza - Sorry, been away for a bit. The other was Now You See Me. It actively lies and then cheats the audience. It wants to be like the Sixth Sense where it turns every scene you have watched on its head. But it’s not clever enough for that. So it lies about the previous scenes in the film so that it can have its twist at the end. It lies about how the detective character has interacted in the film. It’s a stupid stupid terrible film. Alex Kurtzman was involved with it. That’s all you need to know.
@@destinycaptain247 thanks for the reply! I'll give this movie a wide berth then, cheers
I love Alien 3. The Special Edition belongs right up there with the first two movies. It’s excellent and a fitting end to Ripley’s story despite Alien: Resurrection. Less hugging, less “family”, more nihilist horror please.
Exactly, it always kind of blowed my mind many people wanted to see Hicks and Newt play happy families with Ripley and what? Go on adventures hunting Aliens? Nah Alien 3 has many faults but they made the right calls overall imo.
Love alien 3 and all the actors involved in it, dunno why it gets so much hate! Did people expect Ripley Hicks and Newt to start a family and live happily ever after? Once a xenomorph is involved your life and any hopes and dreams you have are totally fucked!! Everyone is gonna end up dead or a nervous wreck, it’s a magnificent specimen like Bishop says but Ripley payed the ultimate price
Nah. It just made sense that they would survive
In Alien, there was one Alien and one survivor.
In Aliens, there were many Aliens and multiple survivors.
It's escalation and also accomplishment and to strip that away is to undermine the actions the characters took in Aliens... and for what? Just to introduce a bunch of poorly written characters in their stead
I'd agree that the tonal shift back to horror was probably the right move, but it wasn't necessary or narratively satisfying to kill off the others (off-screen no less ffs!!!) to achieve that.
I enjoyed Alien 3, the emotional and spiritual aspect the film brought. Charles Dance did very well as always. Alien 3 was enjoyable as a story.
Compared to what came after it, its a bloody masterpiece
You can compare what came after it as, or to... Afterbirth-with a failed twin only discernible by a ridiculous grin, like the opening credits.
"The prisoners only know one word- the F WORD"
Reviewer can memorize the color of the word "Sulaco" on the hull and is really acting like they never listened to the dialogue in the other two films
Yeah but in this one it's like when a group of prepubescents learn a couple of swear words and then use them continually. I actually like profanity in films, but like everything else it has to fit well rather than be gratuitous, which it certainly is in Alien 3.
"I say we waste this rat-fuck sonuvabitch RIGHT NOW!"
-Hudson holding Burke at gunpoint, Aliens
I actually like the profanity in alien 3 it fits with how a prision would be
So many people offended by the 'harsh language' of the film. Bizarre isn't it? They must be a) kids or b) fundamentalist Christians.
@@mechinate could not agree more! When I first watched it I thought that!
What you really see in these reviews is that these people no longer see convicts as people… any attempt to have them be seen as anything other than villains falls on deaf hate filled ears
Get crazy and read some of the comics… they’re all very dark and everyone dies most of the time
How dare these convicts use naughty language… my poor virgin ears never expected such foul language from a prison under siege… a population comprised of scum and rapists USING DIRTY WORDS?!?!?!?!!? NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a masterpiece compared to the shit that has come out since.
I was really hyped for Alien: Covenant before it was released. Then I watched it in the theater, and the first thing I asked who was with me was: "Why in the holy fuck would he ever follow the sociopathic, mass murdering Android down into the egg chamber? Especially after everything that was revealed to him, beforehand?"
@@GlidingZephyr I to was semi hopeful for that film. So many face palm moments.
hated alien 3 as a child, love assembly cut as an adult. no flaws. love its darkness and eerieness
Speaking as an Alien myself (Englishman in France),
I really like your channel mate! 👽🏆🇬🇧
WTF 😳 Alien 3 is my favorite 🥺 I love the setting, i love the acting and what an Intro ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I mean as David Fincher's Cinema deput it was brilliant 👍
You are a very small minority. I'm not a fan of the film.
Look, there are aspects of that film that are great and some even iconic. Ripley diving into the hot lead is dope and makes her into a Jesus figure and there's so many layers. But as a directorial debut, Fincher killed a child (and a dog) and a protagonist from the last film OFFSCREEN then had scum of the earth cremate them in the film. Even if the film would've been shot differently, when you add these plot points up, it's the cinematic equivalent of Chuck Palahniuk's short story "Guts" where a guy's intestines are sucked out of his body in a pool. Shock value is value I guess, but even as someone who still watches Alien3 (and fanedits) fully knowing it's not his vision, you can't do that and expect a wide audience to look past that. I get that he wanted to shake the pro-imperialist thing Cameron built, that people for some reason connect to Alien as if there was a consistent vision and it wasn't kinda contrived and far fetched that they took her immediately back to LV426. Cameron just has that swagger that sells bullshit. All Fincher had to do is follow the damn train, CJ. I still love all of these films and enjoy them as if they were comic books, by different artist and who gives a damn about continuity. Fincher is now one of the best directors ever, and Jean Pierre Jeunet delivered an awesome, stand-alone Alien Resurrection. It's all awesome stuff, even if 3 is ultra-macabre.
I like Alien 3 as a standalone alien movie. Imagine if ripley/ship was replaced with a random ship/crew. It would've been one of the best.
Unpopular opinion here but, I like 3 more then 2. I like the idea of only having one alien. In aliens 2 it was easy to kill the hundreds of Xenomorph's and the humans had guns. I. The 1st and 3rd movie no guns and one xenomorph that seams invincible.
Also like what a other commenter said, the 3rd Introduces the xenomorph idea of taking on the traits of host, great addition to the lore of the zenomorph.
I saw Alien 3 in the theater with my dad. Back then, there were no production leaks except maybe the little bit of news that would come out in magazines. I was insanely excited as I would watch Aliens pretty much everyday after school. I watched it so much I was able to recite ALL of the dialog from memory.
The theater had a hive looking setup that you had to walk through to get tickets. I remember wanting to leave after Newt's autopsy scene and not wanting to watch it again until much later in life. When I did watch it, I wondered why I even bothered.
Crazy, I was 10 when I saw it with my parents, I liked it. The newt autopsy scene disturbed me too, which makes a more gruesome autopsy scene that was filmed jarring to think about. I still like alien 3, but for me the real alien 3 comes from the Dark Horse comics following Hicks, Newt, and eventually Ripley. Not sure if the alternate alien 3, that was released in comic form is necessarily better, but at least newt lives.
Original fans of the film who fell in love with Ripley, Hicks and Newt and the possible future those characters had (becoming a surrogate family, maybe) after surviving the horrors of Hadley’s Hope. That idea was implied by Cameron and definitely what the characters and fans deserved. It was wholesome after a shared and traumatic experience. The implication that those three characters made it back to earth and stayed together was the pay-off for the fans. What Ripley had survived twice and when you really think about it, the position Newt had been in, all alone and being hunted by the aliens, what a terrifying ordeal, surviving with the very basic life skills of a 6 yo, it’s so incredible, it’s almost inconceivable that she remained uncaptured and alive, but Cameron’s story was so well told, it was believable. What Newt meant to Ripley on so many levels, a chance to be a mother again after missing out on Amanda’s life, a chance to redeem some of the guilt she would have felt for not being their for her own daughter, the promise she couldn’t keep (not through her own fault) but that wouldn’t have alleviated the guilt any less, the fact that she made a promise to Newt and this time she kept it' putting herself at unbelievable risk to do so. The chance to give Newt a mother’s love, again from someone who fully understood what she’d been through and Hicks, the patriarch who would have loved and protected them both. The fact that was ripped away from us in the first few minutes of Alien3 is unforgivable. The fans cannot see past this betrayal. The film is pretty good, but because they betrayed us the way they did, it immediately set a hatred of the film. Even James Cameron was angry about it, like Michael Biehn stated, ‘The final third act of Aliens was about keeping Newt safe and alive.’ The film could be awesome, but the fans can’t see past the betrayal of killing Newt, Hicks and Ripley and all the trio stood for.
The William Gibson script is kinder to us and much more endearing, but I almost cried when they sent Newt to Oregon to live with her grandparents and they didn’t get a chance to say good bye to each other. In both Alien and Aliens, we cared about the characters, we were rooting for them.
Yeah, agreed. One nitpick though: You said Newt was 6. By the time of the events of Aliens, Newt was 12. But I digress. Yeah, that idea of Ripley, Hicks, and Newt returning to Earth and developing into a surrogate family as they collectively deal with the trauma of their experiences on LV-426 is a great idea. I personally think a great idea for a story would've been for this to be the first act of an alternate Alien 3, until Newt is kidnapped by Weyland-Yutani to force Ripley and Hicks to clean up another one of their messes on LV-426: an ill-advised attempt at exploiting the alien derelict (designated Origin) to harness the power of the Xenomorphs had predictably gone wrong, and Ripley and Hicks were the only people alive with any experience in combatting them. It could've been an epic climax to this trilogy, with Ripley returning to LV-426 for the final time, no longer seeking to destroy the Xenomorphs out of vengeance, but because she has a family now, and she'll be damned if she's gonna let these aliens take that away from her again. But that's just my idea.
Nailed it 👍
@@occam7382 huh... did you purposefully mirror aspects the plot of Metroid 3 (Super Metroid) because Metroid 1 and 2 took inspiration from Alien and Aliens?
Because if not you totally are and that's awesome... some things come full circle
@@Lucrei., I've never played Metroid in my life, sooo... no. Not intentionally, anyway. But that's pretty cool to hear.
@@occam7382 Basically in Metroid 2 Samus returns to the Metroid homeworld to exterminate them (very similar to Ripley destroying the hive in 2) and after she thinks she has eradicated them all she finds a lone baby Metroid survivor which she can't kill as she instantly forms a connection with it (for Aliens that's Newt - not an Alien, but something Ripley grows attached to).
In Metroid 3 the baby Metroid (which she gave to scientists for study) is kidnapped by evil space pirates and it draws her back into the fight to save it and prevent them from cloning it for bio weapon use. So you can see how your idea for a different Alien 3 echoes that nicely :)
"An ugly, depressing mess"
A little harsh, but still the best quote they could find to put on the cover.
The practical effects were so bad that it looked like CGI.
They where trying new things on this film for special effects they didn’t do the effects ever again after this film
If one film needed the Lucas treatment this is it
@@HumanHamCube Yeah, when the runner gets hit with the sprinklers and explodes, it should've fired a blaster at Ripley first, like Han and Greedo.
I like the film a lot. Perfect? No.
Some could argue the making of documentary is better.
Omg you have no idea! I remember I bought the special edition DVD and watch all the 20 to 40 minute bonus documentaries while eating an entire box of thin crust domino's 🍕.... before I watched the film. years ago at 1am.
Ik too much info!
The only thing I didn't like about Alien 3 was the fact that most of the prisoners looked alike and it was difficult to follow who was who. The dog alien was an interesting switch to the biped aliens that came before it
Yes, excellent point. It took me a few viewings to get the hang of who was who
I get it, after James Cameron’s Aliens, everyone, Alien Fan & Casual Cinephile alike wanted to see more of that future James Cameron showed us besides more Xenomorphs
Alien 3 wasn't fan service. It had balls. It didn't care if it was liked or not. Took chances studios would never take these days and I like the brutality and lack of remorse it has. It told the story it wanted to tell.
Been waiting for this since the last one, happy Halloween everyone!
Can't believe he went back after 20 years...i wouldn't remember leaving one
I wonder if the people writing these reviews would have forseen they would be referenced two decades later with shade thrown upon them.
Alien 3 was a great film and way better than any of the lame alien vs predator movies IMHO.
I will agree with you that it was definitely better than the AvP films that were released.
Im pretty sure that Sigourney hates guns and told the producers or director that if they wanted her involved, they had to ditch all the guns.
She didn't want to use them in Aliens, but James Cameron convinced her that Ripley would want to kill all the Aliens. Which is absolutely true
Not sure about what happen in this film though. That could have happened I guess, but it seems odd that she'd care after making that step in the previous film
I will comment before I watch:
My opinion is that if Aliens(2) never happened, then this move would have been decent as a sequel; Ripley is picked up after hypersleep from the first movie, and there is no Hicks or Newt.
However if that were true, it probably would have been criticized as being a repeat of the plot line to the first movie.
So even in that scenario, it doesnt work so well.
Of course I may be biased because I love the Hicks and Newt characters, but in Alien 3 my expectations were thrown on the floor and stomped on. Not unlike The Last Jedi.
Maybe my opinion will be swayed after I watch this. Best regards
Atleast I can enjoy alien 3 unlike the SW sequels l, alien 3s issue was the poor decisions (like killing off hicks and newt) and constant script changes.
As much as I like the William Gibson version of alien 3 over what we got the issue with that one is that ripley isn't in that one either, while I'm fine with having a movie to give hicks a chance to shine others would understabily be angry that the main protagonist is in a comma.
@@delta2372 I don’t think that killing Newt and Hicks was the problem. After all Ripley dies as well. I think the problem was killing them off right at the start. They should’ve had Newt or Hicks die in the first third of the film. Then whoever’s left between Newt and Hicks dies in the second third and Ripley dies in the last third. It’s just that they needed to give the fans at least a little more time with these characters before ripping them from us.
@@-.-.11 exactly... treat them with some dignity and grace, not kill them off-screen
david linch had nothing to work with no script no budget and no tim at all to do on alien 3 but he pulled it off against the odds.
Did he?
@@Bow-to-the-absurd
Yes.
@@Menaceblue3 david hasslehof, more like
fincher
@@vine01thank you i keep getting the davids mixed up
The Assembly cut is a superior version of the film and far too hard to access. I didn't really like Alien 3 theatrical, but the assembly cut entirely changed my opinion. [Edit] The new Dune is a 2020s pretty graphic, shot for shot remake of the 1st third of David Lynchs film. In Hindsight, I am truly impressed with just how much story is in his version and how much the new movie is basically the equivalent of the Syfy Channels "Frank Herberts Dune." The new film is not bad, but if you've seen the previous two screen incarnations you've seen almost all but two scenes in the film.
Okay, it's definitely not worth one star but I'm not going to argue with people too much on this one lol. When I talk to my friends? The Alien series ends after the movie Aliens.
And I absolutely love your channel! I go to bed almost every night listening to accounts of the earth war 💙
I wish we could get more sequels to Alien 3 we could see how Weyland tries to use Xenos as weapon after they captured their Queen like in ACM DLC
You'd think that,but then they wouldnt have been able to nuke the rest of the post 80s & 90s movies from orbit...
That was what Niel Blomkamp was planning to do -and I was hyped for it
ACM? what's that
@@experimetalfan8851 Same like in the comics
@@delta2372 Search the name you will see
I love Alien3 - Assembly Cut. It takes the strong, stark visuals, the great actors (which are on par with Alien), and soundtrack of the theatrical release, and restores an actual story to the film. And it is a story that I really like, with Golic's character completely changed (i.e. restored) in editing, and much tension and drama reintroduced.
At present, my ranking and enjoyment of these movies go, Alien, Alien3 (AC), Aliens, and then everything else.
Alien 3 is amazing movie and i love it, idk why somebody has problems with it, its just differend from none stop shooting left and right.
As for the facehugger targeting a dog despite the alien not targrting jones in a1...the answer is in the statement.
The ALIEN didnt care about the cat so much, but a facehugger probably would have latched on. The facehugger is the one that facehugs, not the grown alien
This is a super important detail
Love the first 3 equally and sometimes will like one more than the others including Alien 3, Alien Resurrection is a high budget Roger Corman movie tho. Also the Alien in Alien 3 I've always found absolutely terrifing compared to the other films
The alien in alien 3 is the most freaky imo too bro😎
Late to the party but thanks for compiling these into a video. In an era where one-star (and ten-star) reviews are occasionally used to deliberately influence the rating of a newly released show/movie, it has been interesting to watch this and see the, more often than not thoughtful and eloquent criticisms, from older and also more recent reviews. I have seen Alien 3 and found myself agreeing with the vast majority of the reviews you have shown here. If it was a standalone (non-franchise) sci-fi film, I could see it getting a midrange score of 5 out of 10, but for a sequel in the Alien universe, following in the footsteps of the first two films and having a legacy to respect and build upon, it does deserve a lot of the criticism it gets and I can empathize with reviewers who gave one-star reviews.
I'd hazard a guess most fans who despise Alien 3 didn't want or expect it to be a sugar-coated, light-in-tone sequel with Ripley, Hicks and Newt sailing off into the sunset as a happy 'pseudo-family', but I agree with them that simply killing two of these characters off-screen before the opening credits have barely finished is disrespectfully lazy and creatively bankrupt. I haven't seen the Assembly Cut version of Alien 3, but having read that it doesn't significantly alter what happens to any of those aforementioned characters, I don't feel the need to watch it as it can't be edited into an entirely new film. I've watched all of the films in the Alien universe and, except for the first two films, they are all pretty much forgettable and the franchise has now entirely lost its way (this began with Alien 3). I will be somewhat interested to see what direction they take in the new 'Romulus' movie, but they will have to convince me to watch it, whereas when Alien 3 was about to hit cinemas I couldn't wait to go and see it. As a sci-fi horror fan I will be forever grateful for the the creation and existence of Alien, Alien Isolation and Aliens but, just because a film (or game) has got a xenomorph/xenomorphs in it, doesn't mean it should be immune from being lambasted by fans who feel it tarnishes previous works and gives the franchise a careless, misdirected shove towards mediocrity.
This whole video was great, but the Inigo Montoya voice really made my day👍😂❤️
Alien 3 will always be the sad finale to the ALIENS trilogy, but at least we get Ripley back 200 years later :-) Its not the finale we wanted, but it's the sad downward spiral that we got. Luckily, theres plenty of E.U. stuff to replace it, if desired.
All of these 1 star reviews miss the point that it made a deep impression on them, provoking strong emotions, which really is the point of art. :)
I hated Alien 3 for killing Newt and Hicks off screen. I saw Aliens several times in the cinema at the time and was excited to see the teaser posters for Alien 3 years later. I watched it only once. However, in recent years, I’ve come to like the assembly cut.
I imagined there was another movie between Aliens and Alien 3 that was never made where the Newt, Hicks and Ripley of Alien 3 were clones.
It’s just a pity that Blomkamp’s Alien movie never got made.
As always, fantastic video. I’ve suggested your channel to several people and hopefully they’ve given it a look.
My two cents on Alien 3.
I did see it on opening day. Aliens was my first experience with the franchise and it excited me to see the original. As the first film came out when I was 8, the second film came out while I was still too young to buy my own ticket and my great grandmother took me. She was a good sport sitting through a film of blood, violence, and gore. Her only review, as a kindnesses to my enthusiasm was “well, it was very loud”.
By contrast, my first experience with Alien was on VHS with a fantastic sound system and a very well watched rental copy. For what ever reason, the tape had a fold in it during the egg hugger scene that made the scene play out in utter silence until the titular moment and then the picture went to loud static nearly giving me a heart attack. I of course loved the rest of the film as it played flawlessly to the conclusion.
So, my first experience as an adult with the franchise had me go to the store, purchase an Alien 3 t-shirt, advanced tickets, and I read up on all the info I could that didn’t reveal plot.
I knew going in that the studio wanted an Alien like experience vs more action. I knew Weaver wanted an end to the franchise and was given the producer’s title to get a bigger cut as part of agreeing to do the movie. I knew Fincher took on the project as part of a green light arrangement to do 7.
I was disappointed after, but like this film more than resurrection. It has a grit and a different take as well as opening the door for franchise expansion.
The assembly cut helps. Not my favorite, and it is a testament to how a studio can ruin a franchise simply by forcing something to come out vs waiting for the right story.
I like the film today. Still not my favorite, but ok considering the production mess.
Good video
Love your videos. Your analysis of the movies and lore is so good. Alien 3 messed up when they killed off Hicks and Newt in my opinion. So much invested in those characters (especially Hicks) just to be killed off in a lame fashion. The aliens franchise wants to see a sequel where Hicks and newt were not killed off.
well, you've definately sacrificed for your art, so I salute you. I generally track your viewpoint: I appreciated the film on its own merits and gave it a lot of leeway to render the dialog and action differently and treat the legacy iconoclastically (if that's a word).
You know, we got something from each of those things. Having the broken dialog and oddly emphasized languaged ("Fuck it, let's go for it!" drew a cringe from me) let them compose words into the visual imagery-morse's upstretched arms, when he yells that last line, the back and forth between Dillon and Ripley in the dining hall, the barbs of distrust between Ripley and Clemmons about her mental and physical state. It wasn't naturalistic dialog but the lines moved the characters through an expansive range of situations where they ran a whole gamut of emotions. Some scenes benefitted from this, like the Autopsy. Second, and most important from an artistic standpoint was to not mollycoddle the story by making the characters from the last story too precious to hurt. The movie was trying to tell a very nihilistic story about human nature and I think they were trying to get down past the usual safe narratives about fighting monsters, and even fighting monsters while fighting ourselves into the basement where our struggle is only to preserve human blindness to it's own depravity. This was the only place they could go (well, there's one other, but no one considered that the Alien might be something more complex than a Jungian silhouette) and to be different, this story would have to be a darker look at humanity than either of it's predecessors. That got us the bambi-burster scene, the folley of prisoner Gollic and the antagonistic but earnest dynamic of Ripley, Clemmons and Andrews.
And visually, I thought it was also a corageous way to use depth of field and focus to tell the story-which made the camera an ambiguous and involuntary narrator (the macro shot of the syringe pumping clear liquid into Ripley's arm while the Alien silhouette is filling the background and sending Gollic into hysterics. Cameron and Scott had both focused on surface color and texture. relying on shadow and falloff to give depth and psychologically play with the viewer As a result, transparency, camera artifacts and the relative age of objects weren't easily discernable in the first two movies where they were incredibly prominent in Alien 3, and were actually used to tell the truth concealed by the shot.
But I also lament for the lost opportunity to tell the story of the first two films, in a more complete way, not just use them for raw material. I defended the film to its critics when it came out in 1992, but these days, I've probably been disappointed by too many similar attempts to shine me on with artistic trickery when someone didn't have a story(Eyes Wide Shut). I was disgusted by Alien Resurrection the first time I saw it because of this. In almost every way, it was worse than Alien 3-after the Aliens broke out of holding. Up to that point, I thought it was pretty good).
So I get the ambivalence and appreciation. These days, I have to let go of some of my hardened cynicism about new versions of things I loved in youth. I haven't watched Alien 3 in a while, but I'll get back to it soon enough.
One star is hardly an objective response. That's what you give a work that has insulted you or wasted your time or ruined your birthday.
*Aliens specifically is literally one of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time and as a biology student in LOVE the expansions on the hive like mentality that the xenomorphs have when in numbers. I love the expansions on the class orders of such xenomorphs and hives. I LOVE the xenomorph queen and her higher intelligence and telepathic abilities. I LOVE Vasquez and her last stand in the vent ducks. The xenos are stronger, bigger , faster. It’s an amazing movie but I honestly love all 3*
I love alien 3, its gritty and real.
Alien 4 is fuckin appalling, totally out of contrast with the other movies. Bouncing bullets off ceilings and stupid french arty tones.
It looked gorgeous, but the constant one-liners killed that movie.
It's certainly a lot funner movie to watch than 3. Prettier too.
@@thegrimyeaper it was cheesy and nothing like the others
@DreamHax yes. It was cheese, bouncing bullets of the ceiling, space basketball and some arty orgasm shit with Ripley rolling about on the floor.
I love the gusto with which you read these reviews, even though you don’t agree with them. It makes hearing them fun!
"I've been looking forward to this"
i see what you did there..."i love Charles s. dutton in this movie, i thought his speeches ROCked" seriously, love all of your work Derek!!!!
Despite its flaws, I love the Lynch version of Dune. Even having seen the Villeneuve version, which may be a better adaptation, my appreciation of the Lynch version has not diminished.
One analogy might be that two sculptors were given identical pieces of marble and given the same instructions by their patron. What they create will invariably be different, but that doesn't affect the value of either result. Their work can be appreciated for their similarities and their differences, and films should be considered in the same way.
I really like Lynch's Dune as well. Watched it many times. Gotta say, I found Denis V's Dune boring, ugly (which for him is weird) and unengaging. They had so much time to tell 1/2 the story and I feel it just got wasted. Josh Brolin is always reliable and so is Jason Momoa. Oscar Isaac wasn't great in this; not compared to Jurgen Prochnow and William Hurt in other adaptions, playing the same character. Javier Bardem is great, but not even used at all in this one. Timothy Chalamet is not my cup of tea. Looks 18 but is almost 27...too much youth for this role. Either way, I agree on Lynch's Dune.
You kinda hit the nail on the head, for me, straight off AT..... It was losing Hicks and Newt for me.....we had so much invested in those two characters.....and even more importantly Ripley did too..... I felt Dark Horse dealt with the characters better, at the time.
But as time passed I began to feel that that's the way life is.... unfair......and I began to accept that.. As a piece of cinema, having seen it upon release, it was a beautiful looking picture.....and much better than people believe.
Thanks for a great video Alien Theory 😁
I watch all Alien sequels as a “what if” scenario, however, with Alien 3, I most constantly remind myself “what if” all the time. I can still enjoy it, but it is best as a standalone movie.
Honestly I liked the old dune more. It's just difficult to fit a 24 hour book read into a 2 hour movie. They should have made it like lotr. 3 movies 3 hours each.
The new movie is only the first half of Dune, Part 2 comes out Oct. 2023
U haven’t done ur research sir
2 movies for the book
I had a hard time following the original “Dune.” Why was there so much whispering? I had to keep my hand on the remote so I could turn up the volume.
(“Pssst! I am the Shattered Grapes. The housekeeper.”)
Speak louder, please!
Even with the 2021 Version that everyone loves, they have cut an amazing amount out, so would have to agree 3 3 hour movies released one year after the other. The way Dune 2021 was teased and advertised for years, then release dates constantly being pushed back, with only half a story has been maddening. It is Dune "PART ONE" in 2021.
The Lynch version(s) I know of at least 4, seem to get side tracked into silly things on the assumption the audience was not intelligent enough to understand the Dune story. *Examples: weirding modules rather than martial arts, heart plugs in all Harkonnen, milking a cat as an antidote for poison, and on and on* The first one for all it's faults and questionable special effects could have been justice if they just hadn't wasted so much time on trivial side paths, in about 4 hours, I think at least.
@@Cool_Story_Bruh and when Dune Part 1 was scheduled for release when? Don't hold your breath for 2023.
Love ❤️ this Game of Take Shot / Drink every time someone mentioned CGI.
Keep up the great work, I’m having a great time here. 👍 🥃
I love how one reviewer just did Pitch Meetings 20 years before Ryan George 😆
I was born in 1974 and grew up with Alien, Aliens and Alien 3. I seen Alien at the Drive In as a kid with my parents, then I seen Aliens in the Theatre as a teenager with my Uncle and till this day its the best movie i’ve seen in a theatre. I waited years for Alien 3 and was so excited when it came out !!!
I dropped 3 hits of blotter LSD and went to se Alien3 at the theatre and within the first 5minutes I was emotionally devastated that everybody but Ripley has died.
The only part that I liked in Alien 3 was when the Alien kills the guy climbing the ladder with the detonator, when he drops it the tracers were insane as it slowly fell only to ignite when hitting the ground.
I like Alien3. The atmosphere, the spooks, I like how it turned out. 1,3,2,4,6,5.
Alien 3 was the first Alien movie i saw in theaters. It ripped my heart out in the first 2 minutes with the death of __Spoiler?__ and __spoiler?___. I couldn't recover after that and i had a strong distaste for the movie for about 20 years. But ive warmed up to it over the years. I view it more of an oddity, particularly equipped with the knowledge of what this movie could have been, should have been and the different regional editing choices.
I met Paul McGann (Golic) at a con yesterday, and I said I’m sorry FOX messed up Alien 3, and he said “Oh yeah they messed Fincher around, but he had the last laugh though - he’s David Fincher!”
He also went onto to say he’s never seen the film, but heard about the Assembly Cut, and the chances of Fincher reclaiming it and doing his own cut were probably zero.
i like three too, i think it was quite brave and different, just the setting was great and there are some cool characters, people seem to give it more hate than it deserves.
Alien 3 is seriously dark and hopeless landscape of utter bleak and remorseless torture for it's characters , it's a masterpiece.
This is one of the greatest films ever made. For me it’s in my top 10 greatest. I don’t eee how people say this was bad movie. I’m like this movie has left us with the most iconic moments in film history emblazoned in our psyches. It’s hard core and that’s hard to market to the masses.
The egg isn't a problem for me; the egg sac was there to allow some control over where the egg is placed. The eggs themselves, however, are developed inside the Queen, so it could feasibly be laid by the queen at some point, perhaps in the dropship itself.
Oh my God !! I absolutely have to write a 1/10 review of Alien: Resurrection before you get to that !! XD
I just realized that the 20th Century Fox executive producers that were parasitizing David Fincher in Alien 3 are just like the character Carter J. Burke from Aliens.
Sent in by an unscrupulous greedy corporation with anxiety to oversee (and eventually screw up with greediness) the fine work that very capable people were doing to salvage a bad situation.
Ah, but Burke was trying to get rich himself, not just make the company rich... So what was Fincher doing?
"This movie is bad for so many reasons. First, it's just a bad movie." I love that xD
I think Alien 3 is a good film. I wish people would appreciate it more.
It’s a flawed masterpiece. I love it.
I like the extended version; I wasn't old enough to see it in theaters when it came out, but it was still at least a decade in between when I first saw the theatrical version, and when I saw the extended cut. I liked it a lot more after seeing the extended cut.
Admittedly, I probably saw this movie for the first time when I was too young, but even back then I thought that it was a great sci-fi/horror film even though it wasn't perfect.
I was VERY upset at the deaths in the opening
But it didn’t cloud my judgement on the merits of the film
The doctor is one of my favorite characters in the series actually
It deserves the hate
Please do more of these 1 star reviews.
"Careful what you wish for", exactly the words on my mouth!
You know what's funny? As I watch this, the video that RUclips has decided to put up at the top of the list to the left of things to watch next is Aliens3 and they want me to pay to watch it. LMAO!
Fuck that thing Let's fight it!
Dillon
Dillon definitely channels Parker from the first film which is great.
I enjoy the. Alien3 assembly cut very much.