yes, I agree until the part when you start thinking about the facehugger and its ability of squeezing that cow's neck. let's think about that. to be honest, I prefer the theatrical cut much more.
The Assembly Cut is not the Director's Cut. The Assembly Cut was made without the involvement of David Fincher, and considering how often and how vehemently he's disowned this movie, I doubt he would be interested in making a Director's Cut anyway.
Honestly, Alien 3 would leave the realm of "bad" and enter the realm of "watchable on a lazy saturday afternoon" if it did get a CGI retouch for the alien scenes.
I can’t believe how incompetent the executives on this film were. Turning on the TV and steal dialogue from random tv shows? What kinda bonkers advice is that?
My Top 5 favorite things about alien 3: 1 - Prison Planet Concept, atmosphere and tone 2 - The characters and casting 3 - The relationship between Ripley and Clemens 4 - Ripley reconnecting what is left of Bishop under the rain scene 5 - Ripley being scanned and the finding My less favorite things about alien 3" 1 - Bad CGI 2 - The killing of beloved characters at the begining
I love the Alien saga but something about Alien 3 does just hit the spot. I've also been interested about the production on the movie, it's nice to have a video from you about it.
@@FrameVoyager avp was awful, I remember one of the producers wanted it to be here on earth!would be fun if a cargo ship with a load of eggs crashed down on a colony on any of our planets here instead of earth!
I worked for Boss Game Studios in Redmond, WA 1999-2002. They were Boss Studios doing special effects for movies: such as Fright Night, Multiplicity, Ghostbusters II and one of the Batman movies. They switched to game production they said because everyone could do special effects and they had to move on. They were owned and managed by people from the UK. They were great to work with and I only left because a team I worked with at Sierra On-Line wanted me back. Boss Game Studios went out of business around 2003.
Saaayyyyy whaaaaattt? Ghostbusters 2 and a Batman film? Those would be dream come true dream jobs for me! Nahhh just be a backwater shovelware game developer that disappears into the wind XD
Surprised this film still turned out as good as it did. One of the best looking and sounding Alien films, Weaver's best performance in the series. Yes it's down beat and dark, and that's also OK. This film was never supposed to be a "shoot 'em up" sequel to Aliens. It's still a Fincher film, even if he's disowned it.
Renny Harlan also wanted to have a completely new Alien, Fox said later. I have my own thoughts on why they didn't bring back Michael Biehn ,looking back I believe they can agree that was a big mistake far as the fan base but that was before the internet could have feedback like today. Overall I think it's a good movie with a incredible cast American and British actors and a outstanding score.
Alien 3 was fine, it closed off the story in a dramatic way, everyone dies in interesting ways. trilogy done. Then some @sshole thought it was a good idea to clone Ripley back to life and attempt to continue the story with a strange Art-House director even though Sigourney was visibly only doing it for the money. Ripley ends up with acid for blood, alien strength and agility and a human alien hybrid that cry's mama.... That is the true stuff of nightmares, not Alien 3.
The Alien movies are my favorite movies. My youngest daughter saw the 2nd with my husband and her dad at way too young of age while I was grocery shopping. Anyway She used to say that I was Ripley and she was Newt, and I would always save her from the monsters and I told her yes I would always save her from the monsters. I really like Alien 3's story line. The Prison planet was terrifying itself then added the aliens. I love Ripley's character in all the movies . I could go on for hours....
Was waiting for this episode! Have heard so much about this production, so the deep dive was super interesting. And really look forward to the rest of the series!
It’s stunning when you think about the advancements that have been made in technology since this film. When you were talking about interpolation from high frame rates to lower frame rates, I thought, “well, that’s easy.” Easy now, not so easy then.
Every time I make videos on older films it's always insane how they were able to pull some of this stuff off. Click of a button today but incredibly complex then.
I know the wooden death star monk station is impopular among Alien fans. But I'm actually a bit sad that we never got to explore that fantastical side of the alien universe. I mean. It could just be explained away as an extended cryosleep nightmare by the fourth movie while Ripley questions her sanity during her inevitable next run in with the Xenomorph saga.
Honestly the idea sounds super cool and "artsy" would love to have seen that personally. It would have been interesting to see how they pulled that off back in the day
Having it all "be a dream" is a disastrous way to make an entry in a franchise usually. It simply always seemed to fantastical for the Alien series, which is rooted in the Blade Runner style dystopian future (I know the first Alien came first, but the book of Blade Runner didn't).
I was one of the few who actually liked this one. I saw it in the theaters with my brother. We were huge fans of the previous 2 films but were too young to see them in theaters so this was our first time seeing Alien in a theater and ... we loved it. Especially the Dog Alien. But all things considered I thought it was a cool premise and I think it was a good idea to sort of limit the scale. Great friggin mini doc. btw! Really well done. I will revisit these.
Underrated. Great ending to the trilogy. Yes, the other movies doesn’t exist. I actually like it better than ”Aliens” which is dated 80’s action, loud and with characters that aren’t believable at all. But of course, ”Alien” stands alone as a work of art, the perfect film.
Alien 3 gets way too much hate from fans who just want a repeat of Aliens with lots of action and happy endings. Fincher brought it back to it's claustrophobic horror roots and it's more true to the original than Cameron's vision. People are too shallow in their criticisms, the film is dark and fatalistic because it's meant to be a tragedy, it's like a stage play and most are oblivious to the masterful symbolism and themes present, it deals with some deep topics and the sacrifice motif at the end was the best way to send off the Ripley character. People really just wanted another action popcorn flick and it's too bad, this one had incredible cinematography and acting and feels true to the franchise roots, it's a horror film, of course it has an unhappy ending and characters you love die.
My main issue was the alien was too inconsistent as far as how it looked. Parts looked great when it was practical but others looked terrible on green screen. In the 3rd it shouldn’t look worse than the first two. I get it was sign of the times and they tried new things but is what it is. I also just didn’t like the whole prison thing either. Outside two of the characters, all of the prison characters kinda just annoyed me. It’s a film that has the potential to be great but fell short for the reasons in this video
@@FrameVoyager Yeah I have absolutely nothing to base this on other than behind the scenes interviews from the Alien documentary, but there something slimy about David Giler. He may have been a perfectly nice man, but he just reeks of a slimy, scheisty producer and not in the endearing Robert Evans kind of way.
Hope this scratches that itch! Honestly, super hard film to cover because there are so many side stories and it's hard to tell if any of them are actually true 😅
Great, great work on your videos! Ive watchedseveral today getting ready for Romulus. How do i find this Assembly Cut everyone is talking about. Never loved Alien 3, but watched a few times, but would love to give this alternate cut a spin.@@FrameVoyager
Flawed as it is, Alien 3 feels like cinema to me whereas Romulus just felt like content. I'd much rather have a movie dripping in style from an auteur director that falls short than a competent fan-service-heavy film that I doubt anyone will be talking about in 30 years.
It'd be interesting to see William Gibson's adaptation on screen. It would focus a lot more on Hicks & Bishop barely on Ripley or Newt but at least they don't get killed off and we'd get an interesting take on the xenomorph. I like 3 but it's depressing to have Ripley lose her entire surrogate family through everything she went through
Yeah honestly would have preferred that film 😅 just outright killing them after you got attached to them was kind of a wasteful way for them to die. Though the alien universe is a hellish place
Killing Hicks and Newt added to the tragedy of Ripley's dark journey and was a reminder that she will see all her loved one's including everyone on Earth die if she wasnt willing to make this final sacrifice to stop the Alien forgood.
Boss films was of course originally Trumbull’s EEG effects group - replaced by Richard Edlund’s company using the same building and facilities in Marina Del Rey. I did not know this when given a tour in 1986, Edlund then showed us the famous cloud water tank and commented it was the same one used on Close Encounters.
I know I’m in the tiny minority here, but I rank this one second in the franchise, just ahead of Aliens. I love the prison colony setting, the complex relationships she forms with the prisoners, the scene where she gets the flight log data from Bishop, and the ending. If we pretend Resurrection never happened, I felt like this was an emotional and fitting conclusion to the trilogy. Great series of videos btw!
It's just behind Alien and ahead of Aliens for me, too. I have always liked that it went back to its horror roots and wasn't marines in space. I also like all the same things you listed.
ALIENS is a great action-flick but a very poor ALIEN-movie. I will never understand the love for ALIENS as ALIEN³ has much better dialogue, a better score and a great production design. Also, the fight against XX121 is tense again.
I enjoy Alien 3 for what it is. Still don’t like they killed Newt and Hicks and off screen. Unforgivable after such a great previous movie and the onscreen chemistry of the 3 actors. Recast newt or something.
I love A3, especially the assembly cut. I'd really like to know what Fincher's version would have looked like... what was his original story for A3? Unfortunately, we'll probably never know or did Fincher ever give any hints about his ideas?
What I would GIVE to see a WOODEN MONK PLANET as a setting for Alien 3. What a bonkers insane concept that would have been so visually interesting for a cold, stark franchise as this.
I saw this in the theater and admit I was disappointed. But I've come to appreciate this movie, especially considering the crazy production. I'd recommend the longer 2003 "Special Edition" as it fleshes the characters out better. Its got some very underrated performances with Weaver and some noticeable British Actors early in their carriers like Charles Dance and American actor Charles S Dutton.
2 things saved Fincher.... 1 was Sigourney Weaver staunchly defended Fincher to the press and 2 was that Arnold Kopleson had no respect for Fox's management and decided to take a shot on the young director with a little film called Se7en. the rest is history.
Apart from the dated CGI, I really love this movie, and don't understand why it gets all the hate. The weird looking green halo round the CGI definitely wasn't present in the original cinema release. Only when it was transferred to the small screen.
Don't know why but since I was really young Alien 3 has been my favourite. Even before I even knew who Fincher was, it just seemed to he the scariest Alien film to me. Ripley literally has no safe space to fall back to. The prisoners might have a few good souls amoung them but they're still convicts who can't be trusted. All adding to the constant suspense.
@@ethanmckerrow1012 alien was my first r rated movie my grandparents let me watch as a kid. I also share a name with Kane. Then I got AvP on dvd & watched it nonstop. The special features made me wanna watch all the movies. Then I went thru my grandparents VHS collection & bam, there was resurrection. My next binge until I started collecting the rest on DVDs
@DorisDay-lw4xs nah I watched them all in Order and watch them once a year. To this day I really love Alien 3 and wish Fincher had been left alone to do his thing.
I like the Theatrical Cut but I prefer the assembly cut except in two Scenes: The Aliens' birth (coming out of a live dog instead of a dead ox just hits harder) and Ripley's death (mostly because the music works better). Overall, the death of Hicks and Newt right at the start is a hard pill to swallow but once I get past that point, A3 is a very well shot, wonderfully dark Horror-Movie, featuring Actors all turning in good performances at least and an excellent Score. I really wish Fincher could get over himself and make a directors cut. I can understand being pissed off, but its been well over 30 Years. If I were him, this bad experience would feel like an itch I'd love to scratch and I would do something about it, especially if my name was still attached to it.
It may not be a director's cut but Fincher's first Assembly Cut was released on DVD and Blu-Ray and it's well worth a watch. It's the closest thing we'll get to a director's cut and greatly improves on the theatrical edit.
There is something special about the films from the 80s to the late 90s. Due to how primordial the CGI was by today's standards I'd say the films have aged really well due to the advanced prosthetics ,location work and puppertiering work. Terminator 2, Aliens, The Matrix and even Event Horizon. As for Fincher, the man deserves all the praise in the world for not only being able to get this film out as his debut but juggling the imbeciles at the Studio. His work following this only further proves his quality.
This is a good dive into the production, but I must say that the choice to present this in 1.90:1 is baffling. All of the archival footage is now windowboxed or awkwardly cropped in.
I know it's an unpopular opinion- but Alien 3 doesn't deserve half the criticism it gets... I remember seeing this on VHS when it came out, and though the suspense and horror were great. That came out over 30 years ago, I've only seen it a few times since then, yet I remember more scenes from it than any other in the franchise.. David Fincher rules.
I love Alien 3 the most because it brought it back to horror. No advanced weapons. Just an unlikely group of people trying to survive by outwitting it. Just like in the first film. Dillon and Morse are million times better than Hicks and Newt.
Better than Newt, agreed but better than Hicks? No way, but i really like Dillon and Morse. I like how Morse was an unlikely only survivor. I thought for sure he was gonna get a bloody death scene but he turned out to be the last man standing, I mean limping.
David Fincher’s films are a masterclass in style over substance, a carefully crafted illusion that mesmerizes with its aesthetic but falters under scrutiny. I want to call his work, terrible, of course, an exaggeration, but it’s a reaction born out of frustration with the relentless hype that elevates his every project to revered status. His movies are undeniably polished, meticulously designed to look strikingly “Fincher,” yet they remain trapped in their own glossy sheen. There’s a stillness, a coldness that permeates his work, a calculated mood that overshadows the narrative rather than serving it. Fincher’s meticulous direction, the carefully composed scenes, and the restrained performances often overshadow the story itself, creating a veneer that’s more about how the story is told than what it’s actually saying. His films are beautiful, yes, but in a way that feels choreographed to the point of sterility, lacking the depth and emotional resonance that elevate cinema from mere visual spectacle to something truly impactful. It’s as if the substance is sacrificed at the altar of style, leaving a lingering sense of something missing, a hollowness that keeps his films from achieving the kind of lasting, meaningful impact they so desperately strive for.
I was on holiday in the US when this came out, and as a Brit, I found it hilarious when the prisoners called the Alien a 'W@nker!" as if they were in a pub on a Friday night! I also did some college work experience at Pinewood Studios, and one day during a break happened upon the 'back door' of an Alien 3 sound stage. Unfortunately, there was no Sigourney in sight... sigh...
I really don't think Alien 3 is that bad. A little slow in the middle, but overall I enjoyed it. It's much better than 4 which felt like a B movie and was overall pretty goofy.
I really enjoyed it at the time. Mostly because it offered another perspective. Now, with Romulus, I appreciate Alien 3 even more. The most Alien movie of them all… because you can sense, even when they don’t state it directly, that the COMPANY is the main villain through centuries….
That was an interesting analysis, I've always enjoyed Fincher's movies. It's a shame we weren't able to see his unrestricted vision for Alien 3. Your retro segment transitions look really nice! Were they made with after effects? Looking forward to your next video 😉
It really is. But he refused to do a directors cut 😅 don't blame him honestly. But thanks! I actually have multiple old CRT TV's that I run HDMI from my computer over to and then play from my editing timeline and record with an fx30 back through obs 😅 so it's actually all practical. You can see them behind me in the few studio shots I use!.
Alien 3 could haver been better, but I still consider it one of the better Alien movies. The atmosphere they created was fantastic. It had several great scenes but lacked a more embracing plot.
Why do people hate on this movie? It's stylistically fantastic and totally rewatchable. Yeah the story is silly but so was the story in Aliens. And Aliens watches like an advertisement for the Marines. Plus did anyone see Prometheus? Utter horsesh$t
I love this film. Much better than just ANOTHER shoot-em-up in space. It succeeds in it's sense of isolation and claustrophobia... Without a teaspoon of this, it's just not Alien. Best part: The way the music underlines Ripley's fall into the furnace. .. Absolute perfect. For me, the greatest musical moment in the franchise, second only to the moment after Vickers has torched Holloway in Prometheus... Just a second of beauty, a brief and long overdue ray of light. 🏆 Both Epic scores, truly
Loved Alien 3. Look at the superb British casting, Brian Glover, Paul McGann et al. OK the Alien effects are dodgy, but it had a good concept of no weapons. The directors cut is much more of a story.
There should be another ALIEN film that happens on "Fury" 161. Where "the company" has decided to reopen the prison and has a "new" portion that still connects to the "old" section used in ALIEN 3. Then have a plethora of ANIMAL Xenomorphs wrecking havoc. It would be like the Dark Horse comics. Bulls. Lions. Gorilla. etc.
I really wish the puppet work had been composited better because everytime it was the puppet composted in it looked terrible. But the puppet here looks great.
I always liked Alien 3. It's a weird, dark trip. The effects are subpar. Creature effects are weak. But I didn't mind the story. It felt like it completed a proper trilogy. I personally feel sequels should never go beyond a trilogy. I never bothered watching the following films. This completed the Alien universe for me.
I really like this film, particularly the assembly cut. I hope one day DF can reconcile himself enough to revisit it either with a commentary or a proper documentary. I think there’s enough of his style to make it distinctive and the bits that do work are down to him but I’d love to know what is and isn’t his. My only real “beef” with Alien3 is the arbitrary way they kill off Hicks and Newt, I think there should have a been a better way of separating them, maybe have Ripley’s pod found solo leaving Hicks and Newt’s fate open and an option for a future sequel.
While I have a lot of respect for the puppet work that was done on this film, I do believe that it was a major contribution to issues they had realizing the creature in the film. The tail constantly moving around the limbs sometimes moving in ways where the weight just didn't quite feel right made for some awkward elements on the backend, especially for shadows and making it seem physically present. The lighting didn't help either. It's a blue screened prop brought into a very warm tone film, and they seemed to quite match the lighting on the puppet. Idk what the best solution would have been, but unfortunately I just don't think this process was set up to succeed at that time. Maybe they could have designed a new alien suit that had green screen wraps for the human puppeteer's legs with the proper, backwards legs built behind it, but even then the tech at the time was not at all like today's. Plus, to get that running motion, the only way to do that really would have been to have the actor perform this in a slowed down way and speed it up in the edit as, of course, a human can't make those movements at the required speeds in a giant suit like that. At that rate, you're in a similar boat to the puppet, BUT at least the lighting n such is probably in a better place. But yeah, unfortunately, a lot of elements of this production had good intentions, but due to limitations and missteps it was essentially set up to fail from the start.
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What was your favorite part of Alien 3?
The credits
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the assembly cut
Assembly cut. It was a good end to Ripley's story.
The part where I saw the original teaser and thought the movie would be completely different, oh and also set on Earth.
Alien 3 Directors Cut was amazing! It’s much better than the theatrical cut and it feels more complete as well!
yes, I agree until the part when you start thinking about the facehugger and its ability of squeezing that cow's neck. let's think about that. to be honest, I prefer the theatrical cut much more.
How very true.
The Assembly Cut is not the Director's Cut. The Assembly Cut was made without the involvement of David Fincher, and considering how often and how vehemently he's disowned this movie, I doubt he would be interested in making a Director's Cut anyway.
It was better, not amazing. It still has enormous flaws
Should i watch Assembly cut or directors cut? Haven't seen this movie in 28+ years
Alien 3 deserves a proper Directors cut with CGI enhancement that would be so cool.
Honestly, Alien 3 would leave the realm of "bad" and enter the realm of "watchable on a lazy saturday afternoon" if it did get a CGI retouch for the alien scenes.
@@DouglasZanini It has amazing acting. Is FX the only thing you consider when rating a movie???
I can’t believe how incompetent the executives on this film were. Turning on the TV and steal dialogue from random tv shows? What kinda bonkers advice is that?
they almost ruined the third movie of Alien franchise if Fincher didn't came out and rescue it, thank god we have at least the assembly edition
Never underestimate how moronic, intrusive and out of touch an executive can be.
With modern technology, that rod puppet alien would look fucking amazing
My Top 5 favorite things about alien 3:
1 - Prison Planet Concept, atmosphere and tone
2 - The characters and casting
3 - The relationship between Ripley and Clemens
4 - Ripley reconnecting what is left of Bishop under the rain scene
5 - Ripley being scanned and the finding
My less favorite things about alien 3"
1 - Bad CGI
2 - The killing of beloved characters at the begining
The ending is kind of mid too.
But nonetheless, I enjoy the film.
RIP Newt 😭
...and do not forget THAT masterpiece of a score.
How about when the Warden gets snatched up the ventilation duct ?
@@grandmasterfarmer4792 F*CK!!!
Love Alien3. It has such great moments and characters. They could remake the CGI parts, that would be cool.
I love the Alien saga but something about Alien 3 does just hit the spot. I've also been interested about the production on the movie, it's nice to have a video from you about it.
No discrimination against alien films here! (Well except maybe the AVP movies haha)
It's a fitting conclusion to Ripley's story arc. Just a beautiful story and in many ways it's better than the first. All 3 movies are great IMO.
@@FrameVoyagerfair enough!
@@FrameVoyager avp was awful, I remember one of the producers wanted it to be here on earth!would be fun if a cargo ship with a load of eggs crashed down on a colony on any of our planets here instead of earth!
I love the assembly cut of Alien 3. I don’t care what anyone says.
@@jforeverking4776 no shame in it! I know a lot of people that like alien 3
@@FrameVoyager to be fair, the assembly cut is like a completely different movie that actually makes sense. It's a world of difference.
So do I - just wish they'd kept the dog instead of the ox to explain the Aliens agility.
Dillons speech is still as legendary as his final stand off. Love this flick
Adds so much more to the characters and the plot - inftinately better. Hate the way Golic just disappears midway thru the theatrical version.
I worked for Boss Game Studios in Redmond, WA 1999-2002. They were Boss Studios doing special effects for movies: such as Fright Night, Multiplicity, Ghostbusters II and one of the Batman movies. They switched to game production they said because everyone could do special effects and they had to move on. They were owned and managed by people from the UK. They were great to work with and I only left because a team I worked with at Sierra On-Line wanted me back. Boss Game Studios went out of business around 2003.
Saaayyyyy whaaaaattt? Ghostbusters 2 and a Batman film?
Those would be dream come true dream jobs for me!
Nahhh just be a backwater shovelware game developer that disappears into the wind XD
I don't think it is as bad as people say it is. Alien 3 that is.
The theatrical cut is. The Assembly Cut is a hell of alot better.
Alien 3 is a great movie
its actually very good.
I love it. Not as much as the first two but more than anything after. It’s a very different feel and it’s a feeling I enjoy.
Its worse 😢
Surprised this film still turned out as good as it did. One of the best looking and sounding Alien films, Weaver's best performance in the series. Yes it's down beat and dark, and that's also OK. This film was never supposed to be a "shoot 'em up" sequel to Aliens. It's still a Fincher film, even if he's disowned it.
Renny Harlan also wanted to have a completely new Alien, Fox said later. I have my own thoughts on why they didn't bring back Michael Biehn ,looking back I believe they can agree that was a big mistake far as the fan base but that was before the internet could have feedback like today. Overall I think it's a good movie with a incredible cast American and British actors and a outstanding score.
Man.... A3 was so underrated!!!! I really liked it!!!!!
Really, I never understood the hate for Alien 3.
I don't hate the film personally, but I can tell from the rewatch that they never really figured out a cohesive idea for it.
It could have been really good if the studio would’ve stopped meddling with it and let Fincher cook
Just wasn't as good as the 1st 2. First 2 were exceptional
Alien 3 was fine, it closed off the story in a dramatic way, everyone dies in interesting ways. trilogy done. Then some @sshole thought it was a good idea to clone Ripley back to life and attempt to continue the story with a strange Art-House director even though Sigourney was visibly only doing it for the money. Ripley ends up with acid for blood, alien strength and agility and a human alien hybrid that cry's mama.... That is the true stuff of nightmares, not Alien 3.
Killing off good characters from previous films
The Alien movies are my favorite movies. My youngest daughter saw the 2nd with my husband and her dad at way too young of age while I was grocery shopping. Anyway She used to say that I was Ripley and she was Newt, and I would always save her from the monsters and I told her yes I would always save her from the monsters. I really like Alien 3's story line. The Prison planet was terrifying itself then added the aliens. I love Ripley's character in all the movies . I could go on for hours....
What age?? Been wondering re my son😂
Was waiting for this episode! Have heard so much about this production, so the deep dive was super interesting. And really look forward to the rest of the series!
I loved this movie, saw it for the first time yesterday. 🤷🏻♂️
Alien 3 is great, and even better now than in the 90s I think. People more into the fall out sorta look.
It’s stunning when you think about the advancements that have been made in technology since this film. When you were talking about interpolation from high frame rates to lower frame rates, I thought, “well, that’s easy.” Easy now, not so easy then.
Every time I make videos on older films it's always insane how they were able to pull some of this stuff off. Click of a button today but incredibly complex then.
I know the wooden death star monk station is impopular among Alien fans. But I'm actually a bit sad that we never got to explore that fantastical side of the alien universe. I mean. It could just be explained away as an extended cryosleep nightmare by the fourth movie while Ripley questions her sanity during her inevitable next run in with the Xenomorph saga.
Honestly the idea sounds super cool and "artsy" would love to have seen that personally. It would have been interesting to see how they pulled that off back in the day
Having it all "be a dream" is a disastrous way to make an entry in a franchise usually. It simply always seemed to fantastical for the Alien series, which is rooted in the Blade Runner style dystopian future (I know the first Alien came first, but the book of Blade Runner didn't).
I was one of the few who actually liked this one. I saw it in the theaters with my brother. We were huge fans of the previous 2 films but were too young to see them in theaters so this was our first time seeing Alien in a theater and ... we loved it. Especially the Dog Alien.
But all things considered I thought it was a cool premise and I think it was a good idea to sort of limit the scale. Great friggin mini doc. btw! Really well done. I will revisit these.
Underrated. Great ending to the trilogy. Yes, the other movies doesn’t exist. I actually like it better than ”Aliens” which is dated 80’s action, loud and with characters that aren’t believable at all. But of course, ”Alien” stands alone as a work of art, the perfect film.
Alien 3 gets way too much hate from fans who just want a repeat of Aliens with lots of action and happy endings. Fincher brought it back to it's claustrophobic horror roots and it's more true to the original than Cameron's vision. People are too shallow in their criticisms, the film is dark and fatalistic because it's meant to be a tragedy, it's like a stage play and most are oblivious to the masterful symbolism and themes present, it deals with some deep topics and the sacrifice motif at the end was the best way to send off the Ripley character. People really just wanted another action popcorn flick and it's too bad, this one had incredible cinematography and acting and feels true to the franchise roots, it's a horror film, of course it has an unhappy ending and characters you love die.
My main issue was the alien was too inconsistent as far as how it looked. Parts looked great when it was practical but others looked terrible on green screen. In the 3rd it shouldn’t look worse than the first two. I get it was sign of the times and they tried new things but is what it is. I also just didn’t like the whole prison thing either. Outside two of the characters, all of the prison characters kinda just annoyed me. It’s a film that has the potential to be great but fell short for the reasons in this video
I’ve always said that there’s an excellent movie in here somewhere. The raw materials were there, but studio meddling once again fucks things up.
I mean even Cameron and Ridley in the previous 2 had to fight off the studio. Seems like it would be fairly annoying haha
@@FrameVoyager Yeah I have absolutely nothing to base this on other than behind the scenes interviews from the Alien documentary, but there something slimy about David Giler. He may have been a perfectly nice man, but he just reeks of a slimy, scheisty producer and not in the endearing Robert Evans kind of way.
@@rse1113 yeah, Brandywine is kind of an odd character in all of these films.
@@FrameVoyager Yeah they were the real-life Weyland-Yutani.
“Meddling in Better Worlds.”
@@rse1113 haha the irony!
I saw this in the theater when I was 10 and loved it. Still do.
Been waiting for a deep dive for Alien 3 :)
Hope this scratches that itch! Honestly, super hard film to cover because there are so many side stories and it's hard to tell if any of them are actually true 😅
Great, great work on your videos! Ive watchedseveral today getting ready for Romulus. How do i find this Assembly Cut everyone is talking about. Never loved Alien 3, but watched a few times, but would love to give this alternate cut a spin.@@FrameVoyager
Flawed as it is, Alien 3 feels like cinema to me whereas Romulus just felt like content. I'd much rather have a movie dripping in style from an auteur director that falls short than a competent fan-service-heavy film that I doubt anyone will be talking about in 30 years.
Romulus is a fan film.
You've been nailing it with the consistency and quality, keep up the great work! 🎬
Appreciate it! It's been interesting trying to maintain the same level on all of these videos 😅Come back tomorrow for our "sexy Alien" intro
It'd be interesting to see William Gibson's adaptation on screen. It would focus a lot more on Hicks & Bishop barely on Ripley or Newt but at least they don't get killed off and we'd get an interesting take on the xenomorph. I like 3 but it's depressing to have Ripley lose her entire surrogate family through everything she went through
Yeah honestly would have preferred that film 😅 just outright killing them after you got attached to them was kind of a wasteful way for them to die. Though the alien universe is a hellish place
Killing Hicks and Newt added to the tragedy of Ripley's dark journey and was a reminder that she will see all her loved one's including everyone on Earth die if she wasnt willing to make this final sacrifice to stop the Alien forgood.
Great timing! Getting me psyched to see Romulus. Love making of videos and all your Alien franchise vids rock. Keep it up 💪😊
Appreciate it! Last one drops tomorrow!
Boss films was of course originally Trumbull’s EEG effects group - replaced by Richard Edlund’s company using the same building and facilities in Marina Del Rey. I did not know this when given a tour in 1986, Edlund then showed us the famous cloud water tank and commented it was the same one used on Close Encounters.
Alien 3 is better than anything after it.
Romulus is so much better than this sleeper of a film
The Ward vision deserves a stand Alone movie, with no aliens, Just The great Idea.
Fr though. Honestly it had such cool art along with it.
This is the best of all the Alien movies and I don't understand the tone of contempt.
Alien 3 is a fantastic film
Watched this again last week for the first time for many years. Charles Dance always surprises me when he pops up.
Damn bro putting out daily deep dive retrospectives of a massive film franchise leading up to the new movie? Doing it right my man.
😅 Took a bit of a gamble that people would watch it! But glad everyone is enjoying it!
I know I’m in the tiny minority here, but I rank this one second in the franchise, just ahead of Aliens. I love the prison colony setting, the complex relationships she forms with the prisoners, the scene where she gets the flight log data from Bishop, and the ending. If we pretend Resurrection never happened, I felt like this was an emotional and fitting conclusion to the trilogy. Great series of videos btw!
It's just behind Alien and ahead of Aliens for me, too. I have always liked that it went back to its horror roots and wasn't marines in space. I also like all the same things you listed.
I'm in that minority with you!
ALIENS is a great action-flick but a very poor ALIEN-movie. I will never understand the love for ALIENS as ALIEN³ has much better dialogue, a better score and a great production design. Also, the fight against XX121 is tense again.
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I enjoy Alien 3 for what it is. Still don’t like they killed Newt and Hicks and off screen. Unforgivable after such a great previous movie and the onscreen chemistry of the 3 actors. Recast newt or something.
I love A3, especially the assembly cut. I'd really like to know what Fincher's version would have looked like... what was his original story for A3? Unfortunately, we'll probably never know or did Fincher ever give any hints about his ideas?
What I would GIVE to see a WOODEN MONK PLANET as a setting for Alien 3. What a bonkers insane concept that would have been so visually interesting for a cold, stark franchise as this.
I saw this in the theater and admit I was disappointed. But I've come to appreciate this movie, especially considering the crazy production. I'd recommend the longer 2003 "Special Edition" as it fleshes the characters out better. Its got some very underrated performances with Weaver and some noticeable British Actors early in their carriers like Charles Dance and American actor Charles S Dutton.
2 things saved Fincher.... 1 was Sigourney Weaver staunchly defended Fincher to the press
and 2 was that Arnold Kopleson had no respect for Fox's management and decided to take a shot on the young director with a little film called Se7en. the rest is history.
Apart from the dated CGI, I really love this movie, and don't understand why it gets all the hate.
The weird looking green halo round the CGI definitely wasn't present in the original cinema release. Only when it was transferred to the small screen.
Don't know why but since I was really young Alien 3 has been my favourite. Even before I even knew who Fincher was, it just seemed to he the scariest Alien film to me. Ripley literally has no safe space to fall back to. The prisoners might have a few good souls amoung them but they're still convicts who can't be trusted. All adding to the constant suspense.
@DorisDay-lw4xscan vouch resurrection was the first alien movie I saw and I has a special place in my heart no matter what anyone says about it
@@ethanmckerrow1012 alien was my first r rated movie my grandparents let me watch as a kid. I also share a name with Kane. Then I got AvP on dvd & watched it nonstop. The special features made me wanna watch all the movies. Then I went thru my grandparents VHS collection & bam, there was resurrection. My next binge until I started collecting the rest on DVDs
@DorisDay-lw4xs nah I watched them all in Order and watch them once a year. To this day I really love Alien 3 and wish Fincher had been left alone to do his thing.
Bro, David Fincher shading FOX is not what I expected to see but I'm glad I seen it cause he's so right.
I truly appreciate your site; it's very informative and I love the various segments you offer.
Appreciate it! Glad you're enjoying it!
I really like your channel, thank you!!!
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its funny that even after so many years, alien 3 is still the third best film of the franchise
I like the Theatrical Cut but I prefer the assembly cut except in two Scenes: The Aliens' birth (coming out of a live dog instead of a dead ox just hits harder) and Ripley's death (mostly because the music works better).
Overall, the death of Hicks and Newt right at the start is a hard pill to swallow but once I get past that point, A3 is a very well shot, wonderfully dark Horror-Movie, featuring Actors all turning in good performances at least and an excellent Score.
I really wish Fincher could get over himself and make a directors cut. I can understand being pissed off, but its been well over 30 Years. If I were him, this bad experience would feel like an itch I'd love to scratch and I would do something about it, especially if my name was still attached to it.
I actually liked this Alien movie, granted not as good as first two but it had a dark aura about it that I liked.
I think it was a brilliant film - for me there is Alien and Alien 3 and I think they have a lot in common
Love this movie!! The Assembly Cut is so much better, but I do like the theatrical as well.
I hated it at first viewing. After going back I realized how good the film really is.
Love your videos. New favorite channel!!!
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I think this film is underrated
It may not be a director's cut but Fincher's first Assembly Cut was released on DVD and Blu-Ray and it's well worth a watch. It's the closest thing we'll get to a director's cut and greatly improves on the theatrical edit.
Alien 3 was a good movie.
You can never convince me otherwise this movie was great! And Charles S. Dutton was the man!!!
There is something special about the films from the 80s to the late 90s. Due to how primordial the CGI was by today's standards I'd say the films have aged really well due to the advanced prosthetics ,location work and puppertiering work. Terminator 2, Aliens, The Matrix and even Event Horizon. As for Fincher, the man deserves all the praise in the world for not only being able to get this film out as his debut but juggling the imbeciles at the Studio. His work following this only further proves his quality.
The assembly cut is way better than theatrical version , Alien 3 isn’t that bad really
This is a good dive into the production, but I must say that the choice to present this in 1.90:1 is baffling. All of the archival footage is now windowboxed or awkwardly cropped in.
I know it's an unpopular opinion- but Alien 3 doesn't deserve half the criticism it gets... I remember seeing this on VHS when it came out, and though the suspense and horror were great. That came out over 30 years ago, I've only seen it a few times since then, yet I remember more scenes from it than any other in the franchise.. David Fincher rules.
Just excellent work all round on this video. Wow.
My new favorite channel!
I love Alien 3 the most because it brought it back to horror. No advanced weapons. Just an unlikely group of people trying to survive by outwitting it. Just like in the first film.
Dillon and Morse are million times better than Hicks and Newt.
Better than Newt, agreed but better than Hicks? No way, but i really like Dillon and Morse. I like how Morse was an unlikely only survivor. I thought for sure he was gonna get a bloody death scene but he turned out to be the last man standing, I mean limping.
@@cesarmedina7080 Agree to disagree.
Just Wow... and a HUGE THANK YOU to all the film magicians and creators.
Assembly cut is brilliant.
David Fincher’s films are a masterclass in style over substance, a carefully crafted illusion that mesmerizes with its aesthetic but falters under scrutiny. I want to call his work, terrible, of course, an exaggeration, but it’s a reaction born out of frustration with the relentless hype that elevates his every project to revered status. His movies are undeniably polished, meticulously designed to look strikingly “Fincher,” yet they remain trapped in their own glossy sheen.
There’s a stillness, a coldness that permeates his work, a calculated mood that overshadows the narrative rather than serving it. Fincher’s meticulous direction, the carefully composed scenes, and the restrained performances often overshadow the story itself, creating a veneer that’s more about how the story is told than what it’s actually saying. His films are beautiful, yes, but in a way that feels choreographed to the point of sterility, lacking the depth and emotional resonance that elevate cinema from mere visual spectacle to something truly impactful. It’s as if the substance is sacrificed at the altar of style, leaving a lingering sense of something missing, a hollowness that keeps his films from achieving the kind of lasting, meaningful impact they so desperately strive for.
Fincher did a magnificent job here, thank you Fincher.
I was on holiday in the US when this came out, and as a Brit, I found it hilarious when the prisoners called the Alien a 'W@nker!" as if they were in a pub on a Friday night! I also did some college work experience at Pinewood Studios, and one day during a break happened upon the 'back door' of an Alien 3 sound stage. Unfortunately, there was no Sigourney in sight... sigh...
I once called the Predator a slag and the Terminator a robo-nonce. I spent too long living in SE England, you see.
I love the idea of Newt leading a group of underground xenomorph hunters on a periapocalyptic earth.
I really don't think Alien 3 is that bad. A little slow in the middle, but overall I enjoyed it. It's much better than 4 which felt like a B movie and was overall pretty goofy.
This whole story is such a bummer. I genuinely love the Assembly Cut so it’s always sad to hear how much of a horror story it was for Fincher.
Alien 3 is a classic for me. Ends Ripley perfectly. My only complaint is one of the cuts when she jumps into the fire goes way too quickly,
The film is so underrated.
I really enjoyed it at the time. Mostly because it offered another perspective. Now, with Romulus, I appreciate Alien 3 even more.
The most Alien movie of them all… because you can sense, even when they don’t state it directly, that the COMPANY is the main villain through centuries….
I like this film better than "Aliens." In the latter, Newt is just an annoying plot device, as bad as "Boxy" in "Battlestar Galaxative" on TV.
That was an interesting analysis, I've always enjoyed Fincher's movies. It's a shame we weren't able to see his unrestricted vision for Alien 3. Your retro segment transitions look really nice! Were they made with after effects? Looking forward to your next video 😉
It really is. But he refused to do a directors cut 😅 don't blame him honestly.
But thanks! I actually have multiple old CRT TV's that I run HDMI from my computer over to and then play from my editing timeline and record with an fx30 back through obs 😅 so it's actually all practical. You can see them behind me in the few studio shots I use!.
@@FrameVoyager Wow! Your practical effects turned out much better than those displayed in Alien 3 😅, keep up the good work!
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It's wild to think that so many movies had alternate scripts that never saw the light of day.
Alien 3 could haver been better, but I still consider it one of the better Alien movies. The atmosphere they created was fantastic. It had several great scenes but lacked a more embracing plot.
There needs to be a Blade Runner / Alien crossover movie asap.
Why do people hate on this movie? It's stylistically fantastic and totally rewatchable. Yeah the story is silly but so was the story in Aliens. And Aliens watches like an advertisement for the Marines. Plus did anyone see Prometheus? Utter horsesh$t
I actually watched this again and I really enjoyed it.
I love this film. Much better than just ANOTHER shoot-em-up in space.
It succeeds in it's sense of isolation and claustrophobia... Without a teaspoon of this, it's just not Alien.
Best part: The way the music underlines Ripley's fall into the furnace. .. Absolute perfect. For me, the greatest musical moment in the franchise, second only to the moment after Vickers has torched Holloway in Prometheus... Just a second of beauty, a brief and long overdue ray of light. 🏆
Both Epic scores, truly
Loved Alien 3. Look at the superb British casting, Brian Glover, Paul McGann et al. OK the Alien effects are dodgy, but it had a good concept of no weapons. The directors cut is much more of a story.
There should be another ALIEN film that happens on "Fury" 161. Where "the company" has decided to reopen the prison and has a "new" portion that still connects to the "old" section used in ALIEN 3. Then have a plethora of ANIMAL Xenomorphs wrecking havoc. It would be like the Dark Horse comics. Bulls. Lions. Gorilla. etc.
I really wish the puppet work had been composited better because everytime it was the puppet composted in it looked terrible. But the puppet here looks great.
I keep forgetting Danny the dealer was in this movie. "This doll is extremely dangerous...it has voodoo qualities" 😅
Alien3 is my favourite from franchise.
For me the series only had 2 movies. They are 2 of the best movies ever made imo.
Crazy that they worked so hard on the Alien puppet just for it to look awful in the end result.
I always liked Alien 3. It's a weird, dark trip. The effects are subpar. Creature effects are weak. But I didn't mind the story. It felt like it completed a proper trilogy. I personally feel sequels should never go beyond a trilogy. I never bothered watching the following films. This completed the Alien universe for me.
I really like this film, particularly the assembly cut. I hope one day DF can reconcile himself enough to revisit it either with a commentary or a proper documentary. I think there’s enough of his style to make it distinctive and the bits that do work are down to him but I’d love to know what is and isn’t his.
My only real “beef” with Alien3 is the arbitrary way they kill off Hicks and Newt, I think there should have a been a better way of separating them, maybe have Ripley’s pod found solo leaving Hicks and Newt’s fate open and an option for a future sequel.
If anything, as a fan this movie has some hilarious lines to quote in daily life. 😂 "No ******* Icecream !!!"
The alien puppet looks incredible. Too bad it doesnt look that great in the actual movie.
The film is great and way better than the 4th . Let all the babies cry about it
i think the rod puppet is great. if only the compositing was better
While I have a lot of respect for the puppet work that was done on this film, I do believe that it was a major contribution to issues they had realizing the creature in the film. The tail constantly moving around the limbs sometimes moving in ways where the weight just didn't quite feel right made for some awkward elements on the backend, especially for shadows and making it seem physically present. The lighting didn't help either. It's a blue screened prop brought into a very warm tone film, and they seemed to quite match the lighting on the puppet.
Idk what the best solution would have been, but unfortunately I just don't think this process was set up to succeed at that time. Maybe they could have designed a new alien suit that had green screen wraps for the human puppeteer's legs with the proper, backwards legs built behind it, but even then the tech at the time was not at all like today's. Plus, to get that running motion, the only way to do that really would have been to have the actor perform this in a slowed down way and speed it up in the edit as, of course, a human can't make those movements at the required speeds in a giant suit like that. At that rate, you're in a similar boat to the puppet, BUT at least the lighting n such is probably in a better place.
But yeah, unfortunately, a lot of elements of this production had good intentions, but due to limitations and missteps it was essentially set up to fail from the start.