They got rid of fog lights, seat warmers and such and in return want 30k msrp. I own a blue 2020 si coupe and it looks much more mean than this and I got it for 24,500 brand new
Thank you for being a “regular” reviewer who doesn’t just only care about dumping the clutch with 0-60 times and being a prima donna nitpicking everything! I don’t care about 5 less horsepower or heated seats or adjustable dampers. It’s obviously a nicer car. I just want a car to get me from point A to point B. Plus your presentation had me in the first 30 seconds. Good stuff. Subbed!!
Buddy, you're also forgetting that they stripped it of fog lights, temperature gauge, shift lights, and dual zone climate and y'all are paying over 34K OTD for this "upgrade" lmaoooo
Im just here to point out that you called out all the "luxury queens" for whining about a lack of heated seats and i died laughing. 😂😂😂 Thats one of my favourite things about your channel: the subtle call outs. Nice video 😁
I've been trying to buy one for months. Dealers want 5 to 10K above MSRP on cars they don't even have and wont have for "several months" (their words), and I'm finding the majority of dealers wont even accept a deposit if I don't live in that state... Thanks to dealership greed, I'm done searching and I'll keep what I have. Sorry Honda, but dealers are costing you customers.
The only make 15000 si models per year and all get sold - with cuts in production, dealerships have little inventory to turn a profit from and keep the lights on. I paid 5k over msrp for my daughters 2022 Si and 12k over for my 2021 Type R last year. Not the best time to buy but on limited models the markup is slightly higher. They make 330k civics per year so the 15000 Si models are pretty rare....the 5000 Type Rs even worse
@@TheFK8LifeLOL you are kidding right? Dealers are pure scum! And Honda like Toyota did limit production on ALL their vehicle’s which is know now, that is why the Accord went from 240,000 per year to 50,000 per year and charged 10 grand mark up? What Honda did to their customers was just plain greed! Which now you see ALL models on lots with Si’s sitting even 2 Type R’s on the ground here but a 25,000 mark up on the Si’s a 15 grand mark up. I am one with Honda ass their greed has done damage to their reputation
200hp is plenty for good fun driving around, I don't think the Civic would be lacking there whatsoever. Also good on Honda for giving customers a more frugal version with the cool specs instead of tying it to tons of unnecessary tech and gimmicks. I mean, there's the Type R and the Integra as well, like you said, so they got their bases covered.
except they took away adaptive dampers, heated seats, fog lights, shift lights, dual zone climate, and gave it less HP while charging way more....I'll keep my 10th Gen Si that has all of these features
@@brokentradgedy What doesn't make sense is those are available in Canada. I feel Honda is either testing the U.S. market to nickel and dime us or just having supply issues to handle U.S. market. It is possible maybe we see these come back like Canadian market in MY23 or MY24.
I bought this car for my daughter - her first manual car. Made teaching her a snap. She loves the handling vs her old Lincoln CUV lol The shifter is very firm - firmer than my 2021 Type R which was surprising - dont know if i like the feel. I tell her to keep the tach above 3k for boost response My R makes 400ftlbs at 4k amd driving her car reminded me how much these 1.5Ls need to be spun to have any kind of response in stock form. The chassis is noticeably stiffer than the 10th gen models - you can feel it instantly - rides smooth even in sport. Its a great car to start off with and with more seat time ill probably upgrade her to an R when shes ready. It will be the final ICE type R sold and a piece of Honda history. Solid vid
Glad you enjoyed the video and your daughter is loving her new Si! They are really fun to drive, we're very eager to get some seat time in the new CTR when they are available for media reviews.
No heated seats, no adaptive dampers, no fog lights, no temp gauge, no shift lights, no center full digital cluster, no dual zone climate, and y'all paying over 33K OTD for this so called "upgrade" 😂😭 yea I'll stick with my more aggressive looking 10th Gen that I got for 22K OTD
I have to slightly disagree with you on the lack of heated seats. Once you hit 30/35, back issues really become a thing. And they don't get better. And I think Honda missed on this in the US. Canada get heated seats in the same car! And I should not have to drop thousands extra to get an Integra just to get heated seats w/ a Manual. 🤷🏾♂️
@Fabian6980 I have no major complaints, almost at the 1-year mark. Well, the steering issue was a problem, but it seems if I reflash my car when it starts, it goes away so 🤷. Every 60 days or so.
This car feels like it has 300 bc of how much it weighs and handles, I’ve driven some fast cars with 1000 hp but some how this car will beat cars with double its power on the track, this car is probably the most under rated car of the year, it’s handling is unmatched, I’ve had the 9th gen si 10th gen si and now the 11th gen si, and wow it feels like a type r with out the type r engine,
For good tires.. Depending on location and time of year... I recommend Firestone Firehawk Indy 500.. Really good for the price. They are summer Ultra Hight Performance tires...at a reasonable price.
My problem is it lost so many features from the last generation and with a 2k price bump. The only reason was to upsell the Integra because the Sport Touring Sedan and Hatchback didn't lose any features at all and had modest price increases and are sold at a higher volume. I still like the Si but don't understand Honda's thinking. If the car is still profitable selling fully loaded in Canada at roughly the same price, then why couldn't we get it with real (not fake) fog lights, heated seats and the same instrument cluster with an actual temp gauge vice a silly dash light.
My only question why did honda reduce engine size in newer models compared to older 2.0 liter engine if they could havw turbo the older 2.0 engine might have made 230hp or more
In my honest opinion, the 11th gen Si is probably the most bland car that has came out. Looking from a car enthusiast standpoint. I’m not a big Honda guy or anything, but I know an 8th or 9th gen Si when I saw one and I always thought they caught a bit of my attention. The 11th gen just looks too basic. It looks just about the same as the base model and it doesn’t stand out at all compared to the older generation with a different body kit. To put that into a real world scenario, there would be car meets, events, cars and coffee i would go to and almost no one would look at an 11th gen Si if it rolled in. There was no hype at all compared to the other new performance cars like the GR86/BRZ, Supra, Z, Type R, and a lot more.
The shifter is way too stiff and notchy to the point of being clunky imo. I don't know when Honda changed the shifter feel but I remember the Acura RSX-S was buttery smooth and felt nothing like this car. When I test drove this car I was flabbergasted how stiff it was to get through the gates. I actually paused my shift in neutral out of astonishment at the effort it took to get there. It felt like I was driving a tractor compared to my seventh gen Civic.
Can we get a mid 2022 - daily driver shoot out? Civic Si and GR86 come to mind... but i'm sure you know more. $30k-ish can get you a lot of fun in a daily it seems.
Soooo many cars fit that bill! Civic Si, Toyota GR86/Subaru BRZ, Miata, turbo-four Camaro/Mustang, Elantra N, etc. We're trying to get ahold of more of 'em to test out!
The new Si is a watered down version of the previous version with 2 grand more than the previous version? How can you say that this is a good deal? I have driven one and there are some improvements but the suspension to me is what it changed the Si’s dynamic. If you look at the price point and features and performance the Elantra N is a way better value and performer as well as cheaper in my area for sure. A Si currently is 45 grand with mark up and the Elantra N with the DCT is 40 grand and no market up? I did go with the Elantra N which is an amazing car. Sorry Honda your greed and the removal of previous options especially the adaptive suspension has really made the Si irrelevant.
Okay so take dealer mark-ups out of the equation because those vary store to store, are predatory in the first place, and do not reflect the actual MSRP of the vehicle. The Civic Si is a fabulous car and great deal for its ~$30k MSRP. Obviously if some scumbag dealer adds a $15k markup to it, it's a terrible value. That's basic math. The current/new Civic Si is a far better car *to drive* than the prior generation - it's no contest. Better steering feel, better/minimal rev hang in particular. Honda decontented the Si to make room for the Integra A-Spec, and we've had a few friends purchase those *below MSRP* making them a far better value than the Civic Si with more equipment. The Elantra N is another fantastic option in the segment but that doesn't mean the Civic is bad.
Best value new Civic on the market right now. Most Touring sedan features, but cheaper and with more power. New Integra is horrible value, same car, but 10k extra for just a few more features.
86 is more outright fun but at the expense of practicality. Civic Si will be a little more comfy if you do long highway drives (quieter, longer wheelbase, generally a touch softer)
I own this car since December 2021.... The car is incredible..... If you are a true driver you will understand how truly special this car is!!!
I still refuse to pay any more than MSRP if that.. Dealerships right now are out of their effin minds..
@@danielcofield7195 was lucky.. stcker
Totally agree. Fantastic car. Sum of the parts make this fun and a true drivers car.
They got rid of fog lights, seat warmers and such and in return want 30k msrp. I own a blue 2020 si coupe and it looks much more mean than this and I got it for 24,500 brand new
@Ben C just saying I think they did it a disservice making it look like a mini accord and taking away features
I really like these things. I like how the styling is much more subtle and grown up
Bc we've grown up 😂
Thank you for being a “regular” reviewer who doesn’t just only care about dumping the clutch with 0-60 times and being a prima donna nitpicking everything! I don’t care about 5 less horsepower or heated seats or adjustable dampers. It’s obviously a nicer car. I just want a car to get me from point A to point B. Plus your presentation had me in the first 30 seconds. Good stuff. Subbed!!
Buddy, you're also forgetting that they stripped it of fog lights, temperature gauge, shift lights, and dual zone climate and y'all are paying over 34K OTD for this "upgrade" lmaoooo
@@brokentradgedynot everyone cars
@@brokentradgedynot the fog lights 😱😱😱
@@TrendyTryhard your dumbass must not know how to read
I’m picking up a 24 Friday. I’ve watched like 30 reviews on RUclips and yours was one of the best. Thank you!
Im just here to point out that you called out all the "luxury queens" for whining about a lack of heated seats and i died laughing. 😂😂😂 Thats one of my favourite things about your channel: the subtle call outs. Nice video 😁
We can be less subtle next time 💅
I've been trying to buy one for months. Dealers want 5 to 10K above MSRP on cars they don't even have and wont have for "several months" (their words), and I'm finding the majority of dealers wont even accept a deposit if I don't live in that state... Thanks to dealership greed, I'm done searching and I'll keep what I have. Sorry Honda, but dealers are costing you customers.
The only make 15000 si models per year and all get sold - with cuts in production, dealerships have little inventory to turn a profit from and keep the lights on.
I paid 5k over msrp for my daughters 2022 Si and 12k over for my 2021 Type R last year. Not the best time to buy but on limited models the markup is slightly higher. They make 330k civics per year so the 15000 Si models are pretty rare....the 5000 Type Rs even worse
The markups is why I went with the Integra. I'm getting the Integra at MSRP.
@@TheFK8LifeLOL you are kidding right? Dealers are pure scum! And Honda like Toyota did limit production on ALL their vehicle’s which is know now, that is why the Accord went from 240,000 per year to 50,000 per year and charged 10 grand mark up? What Honda did to their customers was just plain greed! Which now you see ALL models on lots with Si’s sitting even 2 Type R’s on the ground here but a 25,000 mark up on the Si’s a 15 grand mark up. I am one with Honda ass their greed has done damage to their reputation
Just picked mine up yesterday....only had 15km on it. Love the extra features in the Canadian version and it drives beautifully.
200hp is plenty for good fun driving around, I don't think the Civic would be lacking there whatsoever. Also good on Honda for giving customers a more frugal version with the cool specs instead of tying it to tons of unnecessary tech and gimmicks. I mean, there's the Type R and the Integra as well, like you said, so they got their bases covered.
except they took away adaptive dampers, heated seats, fog lights, shift lights, dual zone climate, and gave it less HP while charging way more....I'll keep my 10th Gen Si that has all of these features
@@brokentradgedy What doesn't make sense is those are available in Canada. I feel Honda is either testing the U.S. market to nickel and dime us or just having supply issues to handle U.S. market. It is possible maybe we see these come back like Canadian market in MY23 or MY24.
this is why the integra is such a good car. the si is one of the BEST cars i've ever driven and the integra just upgades all my complaints.
I bought this car for my daughter - her first manual car. Made teaching her a snap. She loves the handling vs her old Lincoln CUV lol
The shifter is very firm - firmer than my 2021 Type R which was surprising - dont know if i like the feel.
I tell her to keep the tach above 3k for boost response
My R makes 400ftlbs at 4k amd driving her car reminded me how much these 1.5Ls need to be spun to have any kind of response in stock form.
The chassis is noticeably stiffer than the 10th gen models - you can feel it instantly - rides smooth even in sport.
Its a great car to start off with and with more seat time ill probably upgrade her to an R when shes ready. It will be the final ICE type R sold and a piece of Honda history.
Solid vid
Glad you enjoyed the video and your daughter is loving her new Si! They are really fun to drive, we're very eager to get some seat time in the new CTR when they are available for media reviews.
@@OutMotorsports Si on steroids lol Next level fun and the FL5 takes everything to an even higher level
You adopting?
Got mine 2 days ago and no regrets, ya dig
How much over msrp ?
7k
got mine for 30k
I paid msrp ya dug?
No heated seats, no adaptive dampers, no fog lights, no temp gauge, no shift lights, no center full digital cluster, no dual zone climate, and y'all paying over 33K OTD for this so called "upgrade" 😂😭 yea I'll stick with my more aggressive looking 10th Gen that I got for 22K OTD
I have to slightly disagree with you on the lack of heated seats. Once you hit 30/35, back issues really become a thing. And they don't get better. And I think Honda missed on this in the US. Canada get heated seats in the same car! And I should not
have to drop thousands extra to get an Integra just to get heated seats w/ a Manual. 🤷🏾♂️
We're in our 30s, we get it! It's the one feature that would be really nice to have.
I really like the orange and even though I never go for black wheels- they work so well here.
To bad dealerships are charging 5 to 10K over MSRP for this car..
I got hit with 6k mark up😅
@@Fracking2319same! Don’t regret it. Market will not go down soon
@@Fracking2319 meh car like this is worth it
@Fabian6980 I have no major complaints, almost at the 1-year mark. Well, the steering issue was a problem, but it seems if I reflash my car when it starts, it goes away so 🤷. Every 60 days or so.
This car feels like it has 300 bc of how much it weighs and handles, I’ve driven some fast cars with 1000 hp but some how this car will beat cars with double its power on the track, this car is probably the most under rated car of the year, it’s handling is unmatched, I’ve had the 9th gen si 10th gen si and now the 11th gen si, and wow it feels like a type r with out the type r engine,
Nice review, subscribed. Why I am still watching reviews on a car I have owned for 5mo is a mystery only the youtube algorithm knows.
Must mean you like it THAT much!
Really good review!
Thank you! It's a fabulous car.
For good tires.. Depending on location and time of year... I recommend Firestone Firehawk Indy 500.. Really good for the price. They are summer Ultra Hight Performance tires...at a reasonable price.
My problem is it lost so many features from the last generation and with a 2k price bump. The only reason was to upsell the Integra because the Sport Touring Sedan and Hatchback didn't lose any features at all and had modest price increases and are sold at a higher volume. I still like the Si but don't understand Honda's thinking. If the car is still profitable selling fully loaded in Canada at roughly the same price, then why couldn't we get it with real (not fake) fog lights, heated seats and the same instrument cluster with an actual temp gauge vice a silly dash light.
My only question why did honda reduce engine size in newer models compared to older 2.0 liter engine if they could havw turbo the older 2.0 engine might have made 230hp or more
Emission standards
Great honest reveiw
Tedward says the same thing about lower power output cars! he loved his SI before getting the FL5
He and I didn’t talk before this video but have definitely chatted since! Slow car fast is always fun.
Great review, the orange color is amazing. Perfect daily for an enthusiast!
Such a lovely car.
The Civic Si is the Best
A manual handbrake would be nice Honda.
I suppose you mean a parking brake.
In my honest opinion, the 11th gen Si is probably the most bland car that has came out. Looking from a car enthusiast standpoint. I’m not a big Honda guy or anything, but I know an 8th or 9th gen Si when I saw one and I always thought they caught a bit of my attention. The 11th gen just looks too basic. It looks just about the same as the base model and it doesn’t stand out at all compared to the older generation with a different body kit. To put that into a real world scenario, there would be car meets, events, cars and coffee i would go to and almost no one would look at an 11th gen Si if it rolled in. There was no hype at all compared to the other new performance cars like the GR86/BRZ, Supra, Z, Type R, and a lot more.
Truth is if you dyno this si it will show 225 hp and if you tune it , it will show 295 hp easily .
2020 Si Coupe can't be beat.
The shifter is way too stiff and notchy to the point of being clunky imo. I don't know when Honda changed the shifter feel but I remember the Acura RSX-S was buttery smooth and felt nothing like this car. When I test drove this car I was flabbergasted how stiff it was to get through the gates. I actually paused my shift in neutral out of astonishment at the effort it took to get there. It felt like I was driving a tractor compared to my seventh gen Civic.
I wonder what the 25 gonna look like if it looks like the hybrid touring im definetly getting it
Wow, the side view of the civic looks like a bmw! Very clean lines. Looks great and it's a honda so you know it's reliable!! Would love to get one.
Should be compared with the 2023 Kia Forte GT. A lot of car for the money without the compromises.
Good review from a driver.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed :-)
It could have at least come with a coolant temp gage, other than that car is perfect!
Can we get a mid 2022 - daily driver shoot out? Civic Si and GR86 come to mind... but i'm sure you know more. $30k-ish can get you a lot of fun in a daily it seems.
Soooo many cars fit that bill! Civic Si, Toyota GR86/Subaru BRZ, Miata, turbo-four Camaro/Mustang, Elantra N, etc. We're trying to get ahold of more of 'em to test out!
i got a civic sport 2020 , im thinking i should go for this but what you think is the best.
The only complaint I see with this car is the color of the "red" on the front seats.
That and it would of been nice if all seats were the same color.
The new Si is a watered down version of the previous version with 2 grand more than the previous version? How can you say that this is a good deal? I have driven one and there are some improvements but the suspension to me is what it changed the Si’s dynamic. If you look at the price point and features and performance the Elantra N is a way better value and performer as well as cheaper in my area for sure. A Si currently is 45 grand with mark up and the Elantra N with the DCT is 40 grand and no market up? I did go with the Elantra N which is an amazing car. Sorry Honda your greed and the removal of previous options especially the adaptive suspension has really made the Si irrelevant.
Okay so take dealer mark-ups out of the equation because those vary store to store, are predatory in the first place, and do not reflect the actual MSRP of the vehicle. The Civic Si is a fabulous car and great deal for its ~$30k MSRP. Obviously if some scumbag dealer adds a $15k markup to it, it's a terrible value. That's basic math.
The current/new Civic Si is a far better car *to drive* than the prior generation - it's no contest. Better steering feel, better/minimal rev hang in particular. Honda decontented the Si to make room for the Integra A-Spec, and we've had a few friends purchase those *below MSRP* making them a far better value than the Civic Si with more equipment.
The Elantra N is another fantastic option in the segment but that doesn't mean the Civic is bad.
I don’t know why Honda didn’t offer the new 2025 SI in orange.
Yeah, it's a bummer! The orange is SO good.
Best value new Civic on the market right now. Most Touring sedan features, but cheaper and with more power. New Integra is horrible value, same car, but 10k extra for just a few more features.
Goooooood luck trying to buy one. All lots are empty 2-3 states over even.
Yeah, availability is the tough part... and that's more or less industry-wide still. Hopefully things will continue to improve.
its a shame the canadian models get so many more features than usa models!
They're bringing a few features more in-line for the 2025 model year!
I CARE ABOUT THE GAUGES and I wish you hadn't shown me that.
It was the literal first thing we noticed when it was dropped off and we hit the start button!
Nice reveiw make sure you give car ahead two months notice before passing
That lcd tac is super yucky. Mostly sick car though. I think I'll get one
They're fantastic cars, a lot of car for the money!
Imagine being called a "queen" by this guy 🤣
Only if you are one, sis.
That BS about the 2022 si making 5 hp less then the10th gen . Well all that isn’t true at all ! This 2022 makes 20 hp more than the 10th gen .
this or thee 86?
86 is more outright fun but at the expense of practicality. Civic Si will be a little more comfy if you do long highway drives (quieter, longer wheelbase, generally a touch softer)
HONDA CHALLENGE!
Not worth it, should of waited for the new civic type R
We’re excited to drive the new CTR when it’s made available to us! But the new Si is fantastic and worth it if you don’t have Type-R money.
@@OutMotorsports I don’t like it at all, 10th gen was way better looking, plus I only like the coupes!
Get off the gauges man! lol!
Details matter!