Keep in mind I would have put *Discipline Priest* in it's own tier (definitely the hardest healer to initially pick up) but I ran out of lower tiers while recording.
Hi buddy I feel like the X-Y axis tierlist would be great for this because you can use skill floor and skill ceilings and more flexibly place classes. I’ve been following you since Legion when we both played Holy pally. I hope you see this!
Love to hear this, I'm brand new to the game and had a buddy tell me Disc Priest was definitely the way of the future, now I have no idea what I'm doing half the time lol
I must say, after playing all healers into HM raids at least, that IMO, Disco and monk are way harder than other healers. It's A tier for both, then Druids and evoker, then paladin, then shaman and priest together. I was honestly surprised by how hard monk realy his, considering everything you have to think about ATM.
Great video as always. Nice to see someone stop the meta talk for a second to recognize the beginners. Not many can discuss both meta and plebs. That’s why I like watching your streams.
Personally, I think Preservation is harder than restoring Druid. Resto Druid is easy. You keep your hots up continuously and mindlessly and if the raid gets damaged, the hots will do their job before other healer have a chance to react. And keeping the hots up mindlessly doesn’t affect you mana either. And you have Tranquil as an or shit button. And you know that your whole raid will get your heals because of your spell range. Whereas preservation, will mouseover a target that within range for everyone else but the Evoker, without realising that they are out of range, then try to find where they in the room, move closer to try and heal. And then you wait for your spells to be back up because, what a surprise, all your real healing spells are CDs or capped by essence. Yeah fire breath is nice but you wouldn’t want to waste your essences on it because, what if you need to blossom quickly but you are lacking an essence? Preservation for me is D tier. Still, more fun than other healers imo. Dream flight then Deep breath to return to the previous position is fun. So is hovering around like nobody’s business. Ps: I think the fundamental issue with your ranking is, how much of an importance you give to the off role (dpsing) as a healer, before doing the main role (healing) effectively, every single time. I think the healers like Preservation and Mistweaver have to work and plan harder to fulfill their primary role, before dpsing. With DPSing, maybe RDruid could be a bit more complicated than say RShammy cz, with RShammy, all you do is, stormkeeper > Chain Lightning x2 > Flame Shock > Lava Burst on proc. Even preservation can be easy with living flame with help vs. harm macro on 2 keybinds. Easy switch between heal to dps. Although you wouldn’t wanna waste essences on DPS.
@@AshWickramasinghe in high m+ keys, pres evoker is very easy. they put out insane amounts of damage with 1 button, meanwhile rdruid has to prehot the damage, and therefore know damage patterns in the dungeon (just like disc) which is what makes them the hardest healer. if you stand in the back afk applying hots and doing zero damage then i guess rdruid would be easier, but no one does that in high keys.
I love what you say about shamy macro's to get all their buttons on the bar. Shamy spells are perfect for this, because everything makes sense: Chain Heal/Chain lightning; Hot (rip tide)/Dot (flame shock), etc. I use the macro #showtooltip /cast [@mouseover,nodead,help] Healing Surge; Lava Burst
@@Cluta0 makes a lot of sense to do heal harm macro for Shammy. Healing surge though. Mana bar would not like it. Healing wave would be the better choice I think. Even with healing wave, Shammy would still need to back off on healing every now and then to recover mana I think. Especially if you had to a hail heal a couple of more time than the spec likes it.
I think everything you said was completely accurate. Another thing to watch out for newer players when playing disc or resto druid is that as your raid group increases in power, those timings for your ramps can change sometimes, especially on bosses whose abilities happen at certain health percentages. This doesn't necessarily make it harder or easier, its just a matter of adjusting to that which can be a bit of a surprise if you're not ready for it. Another thing to take into account for both those specs is their mastery too. This was great video dude, much love
I agree with both proactive healers (Discipline Priest & Restoration Druid) being the hardest as you have to ramp to heal & learn damage patterns. I do think that Disc is harder than Druid. I also agree with Holy Priest, Restoration Shaman, & Preservation Evoker being listed as the easiest respectively. I would add that melee healers such as Mistweaver & Holy Paladin dealing with melee mechanics does make it harder to play in comparison to ranged healers like Discipline & Holy/ Druid/Shaman. My own personal opinion would be: S: Holy Priest, A: Restoration Shaman, B: Evoker, C: None, D: Holy Paladin, Mistweaver, Restoration Druid, F: Discipline Priest. Love your videos! :)
You didn't mention the difference between static and mobile heals. When you are not allowed to move while casting, then you will have to break off some of your spells to reposition. That's why I'd put druid much higher as it allows you to get out of all possible sort of mechanics while keep healing.
I must admit I find resto druid to be super easy myself and one of the more simple healers out there, switching from disc to resto during shadowlands was like a whole new world. For me it felt like playing resto was working 10% as hard as disc but for better output. For me I think it comes down to druids feeling like they have the tools to deal easily with almost any situation whereas other healers feel like they have more weaknesses that cause tense and difficult gameplay moments in M+. For me the most straightforward healers are holy priest, resto druid and resto shaman then Mistweaver, holy paladin and evoker on a tier beyond that with Mistweaver being a little harder and finally disc on its own somewhere out in Africa
I loved my Pres Evoker, except when I am in a dungeon with too many scattered ranged players. My fly over heal misses them and if they aren't within my 90 degree wedge heal - they lose out of 2 main potential heals. I switched over to Augmentation with this toon. I like this healer for raids.
For players who are afraid to play melee HPaladin - some tips - look at him as the rogue healer. You smash HS and CS on CD, reach 3 combo points and then spend them with either WoG for ST or LoD for AoE. You have those few core abilities, and then weave in powerfull CDs if your tank (Sacrifice/LoH), DPS (BoP) or the whole team (Aura Mastery/Avenging Wrath) struggle to survive. You will learn nuances later, but thats the core of the class. I think design wise HPaladin is one of the easiest healing specs to comprehend and get used to intuitively.
I agree. I played the hpala for a few days now and while I am obviously not a pro or anything like that, it's really simple to play. It looks way more daunting than it actually is ;)
As someone who loves everything paladin, but hates how Hpally is, but want to love it. Any tips or suggestions? I guess I kind of just hate being in melee and worrying about all that shit, while also worrying about keeping everyone alive.
Always enjoy watching madskillz on the train home. As a disc priest. Disc is less forgiving it things go to hell. Which will cause new players issues in keys
I agree overall, but Resto druid shouldn't be in the more difficult Tier, it's way more easier than Discipline. And all melee healers should be D tiers in term of difficulty
I really don't understand how people say resto druid is difficult. Once you've done a dungeon or raid a few times, you will know the damage patterns (roughly) - resto druid ramps are way easier and more forgiving than disc ramps - well enough to pre-rejuv raid/party members, cast wild growth just before damage and then hit tranq/flourish/convoke/ and oh look boom top HPS.
@@kyeldorries8283 It really depends on the situation and encounter type - it very much can make it more difficult. Their kits are reliant on you being able to hit the enemies and if you're forced out it can impact healing quite a bit. It's also just a different learning curve to being able to sit back and spam spells. Rdruid and disc definitely aren't as hard as they're made out to be though, just a different learning curve.
@@DrusstheSlayer dude this rotation what u wrote is just simple bad, why u think then resto druid is easy , if ur rotation is bad? Xd wg never be cast before the dmg, tranq + flurish together simple just waste of cd xd the only good point this rotation is the precast the reju xdd
Thanks for this insightful video, love that you put the tool tips for the major class mechanics while explaining, it really helped me visualize how the general play style of the classes is. And regarding the Resto Druid explanation at the end, it seemed like you were talking about its skill ceiling rather than its skill floor. Probably ease of use and beginner friendliness should only focus on Skill Floor rather than skill ceiling. Thanks for the video anyway, mist weaver seems like it can be an interesting challenge!
from healing 15's in the beta my experience would say evoker, druid easy s+, holy priest, shaman, resto, pally A, monk and disc B. I stopped before the recent changes and not tried monk since. Most fun though monk easy lol
As a mythic raider resto shaman, I never liked or used cloudburst. Healing stream is good enough and provide enough passive healing so you can focus on other things. And if things gets really ugly, that's why you can put down two at the same time.
I know its usually recommended that beginners start off with a reactive healer. I know druid is considered a proactive healer and I've been playing it a long time so im biased. But id still say druid is really easy, just keep your hots on the tank, put a rejuv on the dps, always keep your aoe healing circle down, if more aoe damage goes out use your aoe heal. Once you do a few dungeons and learn the fights/mechanics you can be more proactive. They're just so strong and fun. If were going reactive, ya i guess shaman or holy priest. H Priest has been meh/boring to me ( I've also played one for years), they have a lot of ability bloat this time around I feel.
This video was super helpful, thank you. I want to try Healing this exp (not healed since Cata) and I was hoping the Priest would be easiest for a noob like me!
Going back to wow after skipping shadowlands. Played Rdruid and Disc before ,going for same again, hope they are still fun. Altho, I totaly disagree that both are same lvl of difficulty, not even close. Disc is by far more complex are more punishing when you don't setup in time.
Yeah. R Druid is probably one of the easiest healers. Just mindlessly hot everyone and you are sorted. Your hots tops up the raid even before other healers react.
I main disc priest, that being said I don’t recommend preservation evoker for beginners. Evoker is like playing mortal kombat. If you spam your abilities sure you’ll do some healing but if you combo your abilities and plan ahead you’ll do waaaay more
It's been a long time coming. I really feel like Enhance, my original main from late BC, is finally shining! I've had fun leveling opposite faction resto with my son for fast queues, too. I was afraid it might not be good at end-game, but this video changes my mind
I'm having a VERY hard time getting the hang of preservation evoker. I main resto druid and usually do keys up to the +17-18 level. I'm not sure if it's because it's new and an entirely new playstyle for me but I REALLY don't enjoy playing it lol
It feels very inconsistent to put your base ranking for resto druid difficulty on its min maxed form but to disregard minmaxing for saw resto shaman cloud burst totem. I also think its worth noting that Disc's true difficulty shows in raid content. Having played quiet a bit of it, m+ disc just comes down to good cd management and spamming the shit out of shadow mend, and it is not the most difficult unless you are trying to min max
I played holy priest a lot but now coming back into wow I find that tanks run away from me, I'm lvl 62 and I'm having a hard time cos the dam tank is way ahead while dps is still killing mobs and I can't keep everyone alive cos of this and I get frustrated and now I'm pouting, I love healing but dang these tanks need to chill.
I love my preservation evoker, resto druid and my least favorite play style is my holy pally. I don't have my shammy up yet nor have ever played a priest in heals. I don't like anyone behind me when I heal with pres evoker, so if you have stragglers behind you they get left out of some heals.
I think you're really underestimating the skill ceiling of Preservation Evoker. There's a lot of positional considerations that don't exist to the same degree for other healers, and on top of that there's some very interesting synergies between Lifebind, Echo, Stasis and Temporal Anomaly that are not easy to master, or even realize exists, and these synergies encourage you to think about not just what your next ability should be, but your next 2, 3 or even 4 abilities to maximize synergies. Also abilities like Rewind and Golden Hour are hard to get the best use out of but very powerful when used well. I played a holy paladin in Shadowlands and I find Evoker quite a bit harder because I have to think *even more* about positional gameplay, and I have to consider not just my next ability, but as I said, my next several abilities.
I main MW monk, and yes, it's easy to mess up. Not a ton of spells to keep track of, but when you mess up it goes down real fast. Took me all of SL to actually learn the class. Took a break in SL season 3 and I'm now back in DF, and I all I can say is that I'm a beginner once again. From +20 mythics in SL to be struggeling in HC dungeons in DF.
Ahh man I've mained disc in Wotlk, Shadowland and trying Dragonflight now, doing up around +m8 dungeons and a few raid bosses. It feels so satisfying when you're spamming out big heals through atonnement/your dmg. But fuck is it stressful, especially in these raids where a lot of chaos can be involved in pugs. I probably just have to get used to it. But i will also be trying out Holy that's for sure.
I am optimistic about DF, I like the new talent system and the fact there is no borrowed power. I think DF has potential to outshine Legion. Even though i had a lot of fun with Legion, Legion wasnt perfect, there was a lot of grinding artifact power, random legendaries etc.
What healers and their builds are best for puging? Not interested in meta builds, from a pure healing and group perspective, what do you think is best?
People are always saying "MW monk is melee" "MW monk is fistweaving only"....FALSE. I've played MW for years and have always been a ranged healer with no issues.
MW isnt melee only. But playing MW purely ranged is like playing holy priest standing in the melee fight. You arent playing the way the class is intended. Which is why people complain about MW. The abilities and talents guide you into melee range but melee range as MW feels very uncomfortable. Casting soothing mist while standing under a raid boss feels terrible.
Great video mate. Only thing I disagree with is where you put Holy Priest. I’ve just spent the past few months pushing high keys as Holy, and while the surface healing game play is simple enough, it’s the rest of the kit that adds the complexity. Weak personals, low mobility and a turret heavy caster playstyle mixed with a damage taken profile best described as wet tissue… I surprisingly found a great deal of enjoyable challenge in the near perfect play required to not immediately splat as Holy above 25s :P
But try to compare what it's up against, shaman which has always had some trouble with healing throughput in certain situations, melee healers, evoker with positioning based playstyle and 2 mostly reactive healers. I have also been playing holy over 20s in SL and I feel like those quirks weren't hard to overcome, especially once you started to stack up some vers. The movement, while not top tier, isn't limiting, it's good enough to move out of everything. I think it's placement is fair, SL holy priest had insane healing throughput and if you know when to shield yourself a lot of damage can be overcome.
As a resto shaman, the start of this expansion made me cry....might as well delete it.....loving holy priest, also love preservation....... P.S. They will BUFF the resto druid, like.... wtf!!!
Power is complexity! A real new player only cares about how it feels. Does something happen If i press this button? My picks would be: Evoker, Holy, Druid. All of them have actual heals that pop off. A shaman doesnt heal for shit without CDs. All the melees are too weird. Disc is never even try that -Tier
With the changes to dmg etc and what seems to be the less importance of healers doing dmg in mythic + I think Holy Priest and Sham are going to see a huge uptick in tier listings
Putting Rdruid lower than MW and melee paladin makes absolutely no sense to me. One problem, is that Rdruid ramping is effective in and of itself. Yes, any class that can ramp is innately harder to play, but if mapping out cooldowns is difficulty, then Rsham isn't B. Perhaps I'm biased since Rdruid is my favourite healing spec, but I genuinely don't see how it's even close to disc. Edit: so I finished the video now and heard your extra thoughts. Mistweaver not only needs to be in melee with their rotation, but if they're not standing on faeline (depending on spec) they're not as effective. On top of that, you need to make use of constant mist uptime + free vivify weaving. I'd never put Evoker on the same level. Your video is about "easiest" and "hardest" to play...but I feel you're going back and forth when it comes to minmaxing or simply picking it up, and that definition difference is messing with me.
@@BranBronzebeard701 Sorry, I meant free as in instant not zero mana. I haven't gotten my TFT mapped out perfectly, but have defaulted to using it on RM...something I need to change.
As someone who plays all healers at a casual level (Low mythics, normal raid, 1800 level PvP), I would say: Holy Priest, ranged monk, holy Pally are easiest. Druid and Shaman medium difficulty. Evoker and Disc Priest hardest. Everyone considers different things difficult, but evokers don’t have enough oh sh*t buttons, Disc relies too much on knowing fights. Shaman is overwhelming with key binds. Druid also has a lot of options, but definitely “medium easy”. I find ranged Monk one of the easiest healers to play and I suggest them and Holy Priest to beginners personally
I dislike the term ranged monk. A mistweavers kit is a mixture of both casted ability and melee and trying to play one without the other means playing an incomplete spec. They're a melee healer that's just how they're designed.
@@Zolik93 and I completely disagree as some talent on MW monk are specifically tailored to range MW and some talent are specifically tailored for melee like rising mist. You can’t choose both.
@@apdroidgeek1737 this is very old haha but the point was if you're playing "ranged" you're playing at a disadvantage. You can 100% take both styles of talents, that's what the raid builds are. Mixture of fistweaving and hard casting. But even if you try to play pure caster the game recognises you as a melee for mechanics too. Also rising mist is a huge benefit to run regardless - hots are core gameplay and extending them means more rems, more vivify cleave, can extend env mists from yulon and chi etc. It's not a talent strictly for fistweaving. I'm not saying don't play at range if you want to but the spec is designed to be played in melee regardless.
This is not the first healing evaluation I've seen. It gets confusing. What you are telling is or seems logical, but every video I've seen says something different. The one thing you all seem to agree on is Holy Priest, something I don't play a lot. But you have Shaman next where other will put Druid next. Others will put Monk in the second slot. The only time it seems to me that Holy Paladin has been any good at healing was in Cataclysm. So I guess, what I want to really know is best healer that has more utility / DPS and without having to have triggers that must be used to enhance other healing spells. In the past most of my time spent playing a Priest was on Discipline which I became comfortable with but it seems to lack AOE healing.
Ironic thing is giving ultimate radience from pvp talents to disc in pve would probably be one of the easiest healers (at least for m+) since effectively a 15s cd that heals more then a revivial if you talent into it
I think some of this depends on groups. If you are pugging M+ groups go holy priest or resto druid as you will have the easiest time getting hp up when people are dumb and stand in everything.
Hey @MadskillzzTv thanks a lot for all your updates. I have been healing since vanilla and always happily mained priest. I feel like I want to change things up a little bit for this expansion. I mainly (90%) pug my way up to m+ 20/22s and I raid only if I have a lot of time, which I don't usually have. I was looking for a heelar that can be reactive enough in that scenario of babysitting a little. I'm still confused about which one could fit in this scenario and looking out for your advice and help. What would you suggest? Thanks a lot for your time. Have a great day.
Thank you so much for your guide and recommendation of choosing a good healer senpai!!! I'd love to comeback to play to Wow but i haven't played since Legion's expansion and it's gonna be a little hard do it all alone...xD so, Just one question bro...! What addons would you recommend me to use in order to begin again in wow? Healer addons I mean... Thank you thank youuu so much senpai!!
I love how stereotypical disc is put in the hard column because it requires you to know the fight and be proactive-- implying most other specs and roles can go in blind. No one new is playing WoW anyway, and knowing a fight encounter is like a basic expectation in the community. I would weigh range vs melee healing way higher than how well you need to know the fight and how long your ramp times are.
For me, I’d rate evoker definitely higher on the difficulty scale. Out of the box, it looks fairly easy - push your empowered spells and group health goes up. I think a huge chunk of the healing though comes from executing echo combinations, and that this requires a lot of pro-active forethought. In lower damage situations/lower level dungeons, your main toolkit, with some reversions, dream breaths and spirit blooms will get you by. But then lets add in some high damage, sustained healing situations and suddenly you have to pre-plan in stasis usage, you have to blanket echo combo - maybe echo > verdant > emerald communion which takes time to set up. Your single target healing doesn’t feel incredibly strong - living flame doesn’t feel as strong as other healers spam heals and its kinda a last resort button - so instead you’re echo comboing again: double reversion, double dream breath hot, lifebind buff. If you use your empowers poorly, suddenly you don’t have them up and it can feel like you’re out of stuff to push. Add on top of this, increased situational awareness. Verdant Embrace alone means you need to have a greater awareness than other healers of where every party member is and the environment you are in. I need to charge this person, but oh wait, there’s a tornado about to intercept the charge path. I understand they wanted a gap-closer and even more mobility to talk about with the charge, but honestly it’d be a much easier healer if VE had no charge to aspect. Add in the lesser range with a spread group like you mentioned and things get tougher still - your best heal wont even reach people or will only do so at the reduced echo numbers. As for the druid ranking, I do see what you’re saying with it being a pro-active healer, but in my list its above evoker, hpal, monk and disc. It’s true that you need some experience to get the best use out of it (ramp planning for raid and learning when you can safely shift to dps for chunks of time in m+), but I think, out of the box it still just works easily regardless. It has such a strong tool-kit and you never run out of buttons to push. Big damage, a convoke or a wild growth+flourish will likely save your party and give you the time you need to put those extra hots on them. Big damage in raid? Push that tranq and watch numbers go up. I think that out of the box ease (not accounting for mastery) rates it easier for me - classes such as evoker, hpal, monk, disc all can feel a bit more edge-of-your seat when things are going south and much easier to play badly, they feel like classes where you have to really make sure you’re using all of your kit from day-dot.
Holy pala is D. Once your offensive cds are down you can see how bad it is. Not only that but your mastery works against you since you need to butt sit next to your team if you want to do good heals.
2:20 Min.: I main this Class. And i can say yes its true. The only negativ that i see is that the Holy dont have that much def cd and this as Cloth Class :/ Have a great day anyways.
me playing since 2008. so holy priest it is ;-) played Disc in Wotlk and Cata. since they changed the style it dont like it anymore and i play holy priest.
It's better not to think of MW as having separate ranged and melee specs. It's a melee healer at its core and a lot of its kit is based around it. Trying to play them as strictly one or the other is pretty much trying to play an incomplete spec.
With Preservation, the biggest issue is range. You gotta position perfectly, despite all the mechanics, while covering the whole raid to be effective. It’s a nightmare to keep the raid up when it’s spread. On top of that, preservation is more of a proactive healer than reactive. You gotta time you blossoms, you gotta time you empower skills, you gotta living fire and stack your essences anticipating large damage waves. Some abilities are easier though like Temporal Anomaly, etc. Verdant Embrace is as you said, is a nightmare because it doesn’t work with @mouseover. Spiritbloom isn’t working with @focus. Yeah. Preservation has massive burst HPS potential but it’s harder to make use of it. Need perfect awareness of the fights, mechanics, positioning and timing. It’s almost like playing a MOBA. And it doesn’t help to have all your proper healing spells as CDs. Many times you realize you you have no spells that you can use to heal for a few seconds until they come out of CD and by then, the resto Druid and retro shaman will top the raid up or the raid will die while you wait for your spells
FYI, I’ve hit 34k sustained HPS in some trash pulls in raids with preservation at level 60. But those are utopian scenarios and only good for fights that lasts about 30 sec
My man. How is Resto more difficult to play with its HoT effects than Preservation with Echo? Not saying Preservation is all that complex but it’s definitely harder to play optimally than Resto. I don’t think it’s a good idea to encourage new healers to play Preservation because if they don’t understand how to maximize Echo their party members are just gonna have a really bad time. That’s simply not the case for Resto Druid. A Resto Druid who uses their HoT effects in a bad/inefficient way will have a 10x easier time than a Preservation Evoker who uses Echo in a bad/inefficient way. Other things to consider: - Tranquility is easier to use than Rewind - Dream Breath has to be aimed, unlike Wildgrowth - Most Evoker damage is casted, but Resto can go cat form to do instant damage and they have DoT effects that allow them to heal while keeping up dps. They can also opt to stay ranged. - Resto is about 100x more durable than both Evoker specs - Resto has Convoke, which is easier to use and more frequently available than Stasis, whilst being similar in output. - Iron Bark is an easier to use Tank Cd than Time Dilation
I think evoker is were it besonders with b tier. The range isn't too hard to get used to, to properly use echo and their hot isn't either. Not the best beginner healer but not the worst imo
Preservation is definitely a lot harder than where you put it. There are so many bad preservation envokrers out there. So many that do not know how to weave in and out spells and abilities to make other spells and abilities better so many that will just pop a full charged dream breath on a group that’s only losing about 5% health are so many bad ones out there and I know a lot of them have actually quit because they can’t even heal +5.
16:54 Min.: My List would be a bit diffrent: S: Holy and Scharmi (Perfect Healers 2 get started ^^) A: - B: - C: Evo and Druid (Semi ez but 2 much knowledge about the Game needet 2 perform great) D: Paly and Monk (You ONLY play them meele or you do somthing wronge XD Its like 2 play Dizi and try 2 heal only without making dmg) E: - F: Dizi (Form power AND havyness. In my Eyes 1 of the havyst and not Worth 2 play healer. Could be disalbed 4 the frist cloth tank and everyonce would be happy.) Tank Tier list Havyness: S: Paly (Realy Easy Tank. The best 2 start in my eyes) A: Druid (Soild but not Perfect good Tank 2 Start) B: C: D: Monk (2 much Fuck up potential) and DH (CD Management is here 2 hard.) E: Warri (Zero Selfhealing and 2 much Schielding. a Pain in the Ass 4 your Heals and i miss the Time where Blood DK was meta and i can go play schadow and igore my job :) But this warri meta let my fun as heal more get 2 pain and spamm healing makes no fun.) F: Blood DK (Its like a Dance at a Blade that not everyonce can and the Pushnischment 4 newbies is 2 hard there. if they can its the best Tank but 2 havy 4 newbies) DDs Hardest Ranking: S: BM Hunter. A: Furry, Arcan, Frost Mage, Destro and DH. B: Warlocks (Last 2 Specs), MM, Balance, Unholy and Frost DK C: Monk, Schadow, Enhancer and Elemental Scharmane D: Arms, Cat, SV, Evo and Retri E: Fire Mage (Rota is 2 Komplex) F: Rogue (All 3 Spec form it be 2 kommplex 4 Newbies) This is just my Opinion think what ever you want
0:38 Min.: Befor you start with your list i say my opinion: I have played every Heal in this Game and be self a Heal Main and my Focus lays at the M+ with sometimes a bit Raiding. This cames form a guy that got many Curves (I raid HC 4 Myth have i not the Guild 4 it), KSMs and KSHs (M20 is my World with out a fully Pre Groupe is higher realy havy but makealbe) without a groupe with fully randoms. Now 2 my opinion: Holy: My Main? Easy 2 play hard 2 master. Would recomant it 4 everyonce that start playing heal. Godtier form the easyness. Much direct and aoe healing. Much CDs. Reactiv Heal. Diziplin: Schilds and heals with dmg not good 4 newbies. So i wouldnt Recoment it. Paly: The Playstyle is nothing 4 newbies, you have 2 make dmg and stand in meele, not good 4 new players. Druid: Hot Healing... 2 Much Planing 4 new player. Scharmane: Good Heal 4 new player i would say the same like i say 2 the Holy ^^ Evoker: 2 Much Planing and Schielding. 2 Complex 4 new players. Monk: Same what i say 2 the Paly. So i only would recomant Holy and Scharmane 4 new player if they wants 2 learn 2 heal. By the Tanks would i say Paly and Bear. By the DDs? BM Hunter and maybe Furry or DH because this 3 be facerole classes in my Eyes ^^ Have a great day.
Come on!!!!!!!! resto druid is not that hard u said!!! strong heal, range healer, u can put hot and you have time to make dps, its realy ez to make key binding do 1 2 3 change to feral again do 1 2 3, high mobility,very short casting times and most of spells are instant. i get it they say its proactive healer but not like disipline if you miss shields and do it after dmg you failed but Hots gonna work even after taking dmg i know resto druid can be realy good if you optimize it very well but i think every healer specialy evoker with that range and spread issue have their own optimization and if you fail with any healer for example wrong timing on totems your log will be mess up
cmon, firstweeaver have simpliest gameplay . it's basically just to your rotation, no matter what.. Druid isn't hard either, making statement it's harder than disc is jsut a joke from easiest to harders imho should be like mistweaver=hpriest>pala=druid=shaman>evoker
@@fleokan that's very vague and it's not informative at all. I also have orange and pink logs as mw across multiple difficulties but it's easy to manipulate healer logs. You could say "just do your rotation" about anything lol
Yea.. Rdruid has a high skill cap. But you keep saying how easy it is for new players to pick up... So skill ceiling is irrelevant. Put druid in S tier if it's so easy to pick up. Thats what matters in this tier list. Not how hard it is to master if your in the top 1% of players.
It is though? Even if you want to not play the Faeline Stomp build, you contribute no DPS from range and your utility is all melee. You're also tagged as melee for mechanics so if you stay at range you're bringing melee mechanics into range. Mistweaver is a melee class, that's all there is to it.
If you aren’t in melee you are playing wrong. No matter what you do you are a melee class with melee mechanics. Even if you go more into yulon and not into the outdated term known as “fistweaving”. There is just mistweaver. Which is a melee class and spec.
ranking the disc priest in D says everything.. after the buffs last week and the buffs coming up next week the disc is an A Tier healer.. so please, boy...
Meme having both melee healers same rank while they have completely different playstyles and skills required. Also saying that mw has "somewhat rigid rotation" while holy paladin is literally bound to go 0-5-0 with holy power. Also you as well as many monks dont know when to press what when it comes to that "rigid rotation" - count that into difficulty? As a melee player, I find melee healers to be easier for me. Now that is subjective but you cannot go saying that ranged overall including dps is easier then melee or vice versa. When it comes to melee holy paladin is probably as easy for melee players as holy priest is for ranged. MW monk is probably as easy for melee as resto shaman is for ranged. Druid is miles easier then disco and idk evoker thats too new.
Also you cant rate a spec just by one build. As a mw monk, if fight requires me to heal more with nothing to hit, I will spec appropriately. I wont stop hitting things when there is stuff to hit, same as melee dps. I would never spec out of rising mist too, but nothing stops me from speccing into upwelling and yu'lon perhaps with gift of celestials if fits dmg pattern.
Keep in mind I would have put *Discipline Priest* in it's own tier (definitely the hardest healer to initially pick up) but I ran out of lower tiers while recording.
Hi buddy I feel like the X-Y axis tierlist would be great for this because you can use skill floor and skill ceilings and more flexibly place classes. I’ve been following you since Legion when we both played Holy pally. I hope you see this!
I remember leveling back in Wrath through dungeon finder where you would just bubble renew everyone and penance if it got too spicy lol
@@fabledbandito5322 Those were the days. Cata and Pandaria were pretty easy, too, then they switched it up to atonement healing!
Love to hear this, I'm brand new to the game and had a buddy tell me Disc Priest was definitely the way of the future, now I have no idea what I'm doing half the time lol
I must say, after playing all healers into HM raids at least, that IMO, Disco and monk are way harder than other healers. It's A tier for both, then Druids and evoker, then paladin, then shaman and priest together.
I was honestly surprised by how hard monk realy his, considering everything you have to think about ATM.
Great video as always. Nice to see someone stop the meta talk for a second to recognize the beginners. Not many can discuss both meta and plebs. That’s why I like watching your streams.
He literally based his druid analysis on the meta. Druid should be in either a or s tier in terms of difficulty.
@@mrcanjan7643 15:52
Make sure to check out *Summary* section 14:12 for ranking changes based on different builds and scenarios! 🐲
Personally, I think Preservation is harder than restoring Druid. Resto Druid is easy. You keep your hots up continuously and mindlessly and if the raid gets damaged, the hots will do their job before other healer have a chance to react. And keeping the hots up mindlessly doesn’t affect you mana either. And you have Tranquil as an or shit button. And you know that your whole raid will get your heals because of your spell range. Whereas preservation, will mouseover a target that within range for everyone else but the Evoker, without realising that they are out of range, then try to find where they in the room, move closer to try and heal. And then you wait for your spells to be back up because, what a surprise, all your real healing spells are CDs or capped by essence. Yeah fire breath is nice but you wouldn’t want to waste your essences on it because, what if you need to blossom quickly but you are lacking an essence? Preservation for me is D tier. Still, more fun than other healers imo. Dream flight then Deep breath to return to the previous position is fun. So is hovering around like nobody’s business.
Ps: I think the fundamental issue with your ranking is, how much of an importance you give to the off role (dpsing) as a healer, before doing the main role (healing) effectively, every single time. I think the healers like Preservation and Mistweaver have to work and plan harder to fulfill their primary role, before dpsing. With DPSing, maybe RDruid could be a bit more complicated than say RShammy cz, with RShammy, all you do is, stormkeeper > Chain Lightning x2 > Flame Shock > Lava Burst on proc. Even preservation can be easy with living flame with help vs. harm macro on 2 keybinds. Easy switch between heal to dps. Although you wouldn’t wanna waste essences on DPS.
@@AshWickramasinghe in high m+ keys, pres evoker is very easy. they put out insane amounts of damage with 1 button, meanwhile rdruid has to prehot the damage, and therefore know damage patterns in the dungeon (just like disc) which is what makes them the hardest healer. if you stand in the back afk applying hots and doing zero damage then i guess rdruid would be easier, but no one does that in high keys.
@@caroqt I mean the video is labeled "Best Healers for Beginners". Not "Best High Mythic+ Healers"
I love what you say about shamy macro's to get all their buttons on the bar. Shamy spells are perfect for this, because everything makes sense: Chain Heal/Chain lightning; Hot (rip tide)/Dot (flame shock), etc. I use the macro
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,nodead,help] Healing Surge; Lava Burst
@@Cluta0 makes a lot of sense to do heal harm macro for Shammy. Healing surge though. Mana bar would not like it. Healing wave would be the better choice I think. Even with healing wave, Shammy would still need to back off on healing every now and then to recover mana I think. Especially if you had to a hail heal a couple of more time than the spec likes it.
I think everything you said was completely accurate. Another thing to watch out for newer players when playing disc or resto druid is that as your raid group increases in power, those timings for your ramps can change sometimes, especially on bosses whose abilities happen at certain health percentages. This doesn't necessarily make it harder or easier, its just a matter of adjusting to that which can be a bit of a surprise if you're not ready for it. Another thing to take into account for both those specs is their mastery too. This was great video dude, much love
I agree with both proactive healers (Discipline Priest & Restoration Druid) being the hardest as you have to ramp to heal & learn damage patterns. I do think that Disc is harder than Druid. I also agree with Holy Priest, Restoration Shaman, & Preservation Evoker being listed as the easiest respectively. I would add that melee healers such as Mistweaver & Holy Paladin dealing with melee mechanics does make it harder to play in comparison to ranged healers like Discipline & Holy/ Druid/Shaman. My own personal opinion would be: S: Holy Priest, A: Restoration Shaman, B: Evoker, C: None, D: Holy Paladin, Mistweaver, Restoration Druid, F: Discipline Priest. Love your videos! :)
Agreed, disc is definitely harder than resto. F ranking is appropriate
You didn't mention the difference between static and mobile heals.
When you are not allowed to move while casting, then you will have to break off some of your spells to reposition. That's why I'd put druid much higher as it allows you to get out of all possible sort of mechanics while keep healing.
But that doesn’t make the restro Druid easy to play. The damage rotation is pretty heavy
I must admit I find resto druid to be super easy myself and one of the more simple healers out there, switching from disc to resto during shadowlands was like a whole new world. For me it felt like playing resto was working 10% as hard as disc but for better output. For me I think it comes down to druids feeling like they have the tools to deal easily with almost any situation whereas other healers feel like they have more weaknesses that cause tense and difficult gameplay moments in M+. For me the most straightforward healers are holy priest, resto druid and resto shaman then Mistweaver, holy paladin and evoker on a tier beyond that with Mistweaver being a little harder and finally disc on its own somewhere out in Africa
I loved my Pres Evoker, except when I am in a dungeon with too many scattered ranged players. My fly over heal misses them and if they aren't within my 90 degree wedge heal - they lose out of 2 main potential heals. I switched over to Augmentation with this toon. I like this healer for raids.
For players who are afraid to play melee HPaladin - some tips - look at him as the rogue healer. You smash HS and CS on CD, reach 3 combo points and then spend them with either WoG for ST or LoD for AoE. You have those few core abilities, and then weave in powerfull CDs if your tank (Sacrifice/LoH), DPS (BoP) or the whole team (Aura Mastery/Avenging Wrath) struggle to survive.
You will learn nuances later, but thats the core of the class. I think design wise HPaladin is one of the easiest healing specs to comprehend and get used to intuitively.
I agree. I played the hpala for a few days now and while I am obviously not a pro or anything like that, it's really simple to play. It looks way more daunting than it actually is ;)
As someone who loves everything paladin, but hates how Hpally is, but want to love it. Any tips or suggestions?
I guess I kind of just hate being in melee and worrying about all that shit, while also worrying about keeping everyone alive.
Always enjoy watching madskillz on the train home. As a disc priest. Disc is less forgiving it things go to hell. Which will cause new players issues in keys
I agree overall, but Resto druid shouldn't be in the more difficult Tier, it's way more easier than Discipline. And all melee healers should be D tiers in term of difficulty
I really don't understand how people say resto druid is difficult. Once you've done a dungeon or raid a few times, you will know the damage patterns (roughly) - resto druid ramps are way easier and more forgiving than disc ramps - well enough to pre-rejuv raid/party members, cast wild growth just before damage and then hit tranq/flourish/convoke/ and oh look boom top HPS.
Having to stand near the boss doesn't make a healer more difficult....
@@kyeldorries8283 It really depends on the situation and encounter type - it very much can make it more difficult. Their kits are reliant on you being able to hit the enemies and if you're forced out it can impact healing quite a bit. It's also just a different learning curve to being able to sit back and spam spells. Rdruid and disc definitely aren't as hard as they're made out to be though, just a different learning curve.
@@DrusstheSlayer dude this rotation what u wrote is just simple bad, why u think then resto druid is easy , if ur rotation is bad? Xd wg never be cast before the dmg, tranq + flurish together simple just waste of cd xd the only good point this rotation is the precast the reju xdd
All ppl talking wanna See a +20 with your Dudu in month 1
Thanks for this insightful video, love that you put the tool tips for the major class mechanics while explaining, it really helped me visualize how the general play style of the classes is.
And regarding the Resto Druid explanation at the end, it seemed like you were talking about its skill ceiling rather than its skill floor. Probably ease of use and beginner friendliness should only focus on Skill Floor rather than skill ceiling.
Thanks for the video anyway, mist weaver seems like it can be an interesting challenge!
from healing 15's in the beta my experience would say evoker, druid easy s+, holy priest, shaman, resto, pally A, monk and disc B. I stopped before the recent changes and not tried monk since. Most fun though monk easy lol
As a mythic raider resto shaman, I never liked or used cloudburst. Healing stream is good enough and provide enough passive healing so you can focus on other things. And if things gets really ugly, that's why you can put down two at the same time.
I know its usually recommended that beginners start off with a reactive healer.
I know druid is considered a proactive healer and I've been playing it a long time so im biased.
But id still say druid is really easy, just keep your hots on the tank, put a rejuv on the dps, always keep your aoe healing circle down, if more aoe damage goes out use your aoe heal.
Once you do a few dungeons and learn the fights/mechanics you can be more proactive. They're just so strong and fun.
If were going reactive, ya i guess shaman or holy priest.
H Priest has been meh/boring to me ( I've also played one for years), they have a lot of ability bloat this time around I feel.
This video was super helpful, thank you. I want to try Healing this exp (not healed since Cata) and I was hoping the Priest would be easiest for a noob like me!
I'm excited for the ranged holy pala build. I main holy pala in Wrath classic and I miss that playstyle in retail 🙌🏼
I thought I would hate evoker but it's actually the most fun healer spec I've played and I've been playing healers since vanilla.
Might try it since I also played healer since vanilla
Thanks for this. Ranged Holy Paladin> Who's build did you mention in this video? I can't seem to find a link.
Going back to wow after skipping shadowlands. Played Rdruid and Disc before ,going for same again, hope they are still fun. Altho, I totaly disagree that both are same lvl of difficulty, not even close. Disc is by far more complex are more punishing when you don't setup in time.
He did say he wanted to put disc on a tier bellow but ran out of tiers.
Yeah. R Druid is probably one of the easiest healers. Just mindlessly hot everyone and you are sorted. Your hots tops up the raid even before other healers react.
I main disc priest, that being said I don’t recommend preservation evoker for beginners. Evoker is like playing mortal kombat. If you spam your abilities sure you’ll do some healing but if you combo your abilities and plan ahead you’ll do waaaay more
Also, Shaman is just very strong in general now and the DPS specs also have a ton of utility if that's the "team player" style you want to play.
It's been a long time coming. I really feel like Enhance, my original main from late BC, is finally shining! I've had fun leveling opposite faction resto with my son for fast queues, too. I was afraid it might not be good at end-game, but this video changes my mind
I'm having a VERY hard time getting the hang of preservation evoker. I main resto druid and usually do keys up to the +17-18 level. I'm not sure if it's because it's new and an entirely new playstyle for me but I REALLY don't enjoy playing it lol
This is the right video for me. Thanks.
I love discipline, started playing it in 9.0 got hooked
It feels very inconsistent to put your base ranking for resto druid difficulty on its min maxed form but to disregard minmaxing for saw resto shaman cloud burst totem. I also think its worth noting that Disc's true difficulty shows in raid content. Having played quiet a bit of it, m+ disc just comes down to good cd management and spamming the shit out of shadow mend, and it is not the most difficult unless you are trying to min max
Well considering shadow mend isn't in the game anymore, you comment is wrong. Disc is doing well in raid right now due to new talents.
I played holy priest a lot but now coming back into wow I find that tanks run away from me, I'm lvl 62 and I'm having a hard time cos the dam tank is way ahead while dps is still killing mobs and I can't keep everyone alive cos of this and I get frustrated and now I'm pouting, I love healing but dang these tanks need to chill.
Evokers to me felt like Shaman++. Its basically a shaman, but better.
Feylin Stomp on sanguine week is fun and easy to manage as the mobs move.
good video, share this with returnign friends that wanna heal
Resto druid -> may be on top, but if u don't know how to, that top is 90% over healing x)
I love my preservation evoker, resto druid and my least favorite play style is my holy pally. I don't have my shammy up yet nor have ever played a priest in heals. I don't like anyone behind me when I heal with pres evoker, so if you have stragglers behind you they get left out of some heals.
I think you're really underestimating the skill ceiling of Preservation Evoker. There's a lot of positional considerations that don't exist to the same degree for other healers, and on top of that there's some very interesting synergies between Lifebind, Echo, Stasis and Temporal Anomaly that are not easy to master, or even realize exists, and these synergies encourage you to think about not just what your next ability should be, but your next 2, 3 or even 4 abilities to maximize synergies. Also abilities like Rewind and Golden Hour are hard to get the best use out of but very powerful when used well. I played a holy paladin in Shadowlands and I find Evoker quite a bit harder because I have to think *even more* about positional gameplay, and I have to consider not just my next ability, but as I said, my next several abilities.
I main MW monk, and yes, it's easy to mess up. Not a ton of spells to keep track of, but when you mess up it goes down real fast. Took me all of SL to actually learn the class. Took a break in SL season 3 and I'm now back in DF, and I all I can say is that I'm a beginner once again. From +20 mythics in SL to be struggeling in HC dungeons in DF.
I keep having to switch between fistweaving and casting because fisteeaving just doesn't seem to put out enough hps in some dungeons at 10+
Ahh man I've mained disc in Wotlk, Shadowland and trying Dragonflight now, doing up around +m8 dungeons and a few raid bosses. It feels so satisfying when you're spamming out big heals through atonnement/your dmg. But fuck is it stressful, especially in these raids where a lot of chaos can be involved in pugs. I probably just have to get used to it.
But i will also be trying out Holy that's for sure.
Mostly just disagree with evoker, I'd drop it down a notch or two. It has massive throughput and a pretty low floor.
I am optimistic about DF, I like the new talent system and the fact there is no borrowed power. I think DF has potential to outshine Legion. Even though i had a lot of fun with Legion, Legion wasnt perfect, there was a lot of grinding artifact power, random legendaries etc.
Is range holy paladin even viable for M+ high keys?
after the radiance and flash heal buff, Grievous is absolutely not an issue for Disc anymore
What healers and their builds are best for puging? Not interested in meta builds, from a pure healing and group perspective, what do you think is best?
The best spec is the one you play the best.
People are always saying "MW monk is melee" "MW monk is fistweaving only"....FALSE. I've played MW for years and have always been a ranged healer with no issues.
MW isnt melee only. But playing MW purely ranged is like playing holy priest standing in the melee fight. You arent playing the way the class is intended. Which is why people complain about MW. The abilities and talents guide you into melee range but melee range as MW feels very uncomfortable. Casting soothing mist while standing under a raid boss feels terrible.
Great video mate. Only thing I disagree with is where you put Holy Priest. I’ve just spent the past few months pushing high keys as Holy, and while the surface healing game play is simple enough, it’s the rest of the kit that adds the complexity.
Weak personals, low mobility and a turret heavy caster playstyle mixed with a damage taken profile best described as wet tissue…
I surprisingly found a great deal of enjoyable challenge in the near perfect play required to not immediately splat as Holy above 25s :P
But try to compare what it's up against, shaman which has always had some trouble with healing throughput in certain situations, melee healers, evoker with positioning based playstyle and 2 mostly reactive healers. I have also been playing holy over 20s in SL and I feel like those quirks weren't hard to overcome, especially once you started to stack up some vers. The movement, while not top tier, isn't limiting, it's good enough to move out of everything. I think it's placement is fair, SL holy priest had insane healing throughput and if you know when to shield yourself a lot of damage can be overcome.
As a resto shaman, the start of this expansion made me cry....might as well delete it.....loving holy priest, also love preservation.......
P.S. They will BUFF the resto druid, like.... wtf!!!
Power is complexity!
A real new player only cares about how it feels. Does something happen If i press this button?
My picks would be: Evoker, Holy, Druid. All of them have actual heals that pop off.
A shaman doesnt heal for shit without CDs.
All the melees are too weird.
Disc is never even try that -Tier
With the changes to dmg etc and what seems to be the less importance of healers doing dmg in mythic + I think Holy Priest and Sham are going to see a huge uptick in tier listings
Thank you for the videos as always. Do you have a place the talent builds you use to make these lists are available? Take care.
Putting Rdruid lower than MW and melee paladin makes absolutely no sense to me. One problem, is that Rdruid ramping is effective in and of itself. Yes, any class that can ramp is innately harder to play, but if mapping out cooldowns is difficulty, then Rsham isn't B.
Perhaps I'm biased since Rdruid is my favourite healing spec, but I genuinely don't see how it's even close to disc.
Edit: so I finished the video now and heard your extra thoughts. Mistweaver not only needs to be in melee with their rotation, but if they're not standing on faeline (depending on spec) they're not as effective. On top of that, you need to make use of constant mist uptime + free vivify weaving. I'd never put Evoker on the same level.
Your video is about "easiest" and "hardest" to play...but I feel you're going back and forth when it comes to minmaxing or simply picking it up, and that definition difference is messing with me.
Isn't it better to just use thunder focus tea on rsk rather then vivify for melee healing as a mw, so you don't get free vivifys
@@BranBronzebeard701 Sorry, I meant free as in instant not zero mana. I haven't gotten my TFT mapped out perfectly, but have defaulted to using it on RM...something I need to change.
Are Ranged Monk and Paladin healers viable? And competitive vs the melee ones?
So all I need to know is Evoker or Holy Priest ? What one! Dungeons ill heal but outside world PVP
As someone who plays all healers at a casual level (Low mythics, normal raid, 1800 level PvP), I would say:
Holy Priest, ranged monk, holy Pally are easiest. Druid and Shaman medium difficulty. Evoker and Disc Priest hardest.
Everyone considers different things difficult, but evokers don’t have enough oh sh*t buttons, Disc relies too much on knowing fights. Shaman is overwhelming with key binds. Druid also has a lot of options, but definitely “medium easy”.
I find ranged Monk one of the easiest healers to play and I suggest them and Holy Priest to beginners personally
I dislike the term ranged monk. A mistweavers kit is a mixture of both casted ability and melee and trying to play one without the other means playing an incomplete spec. They're a melee healer that's just how they're designed.
@@Zolik93 I remember at some point they completely killed fistweaving so no… mw is not completely made to be a melee healer.
@@Zolik93 and I completely disagree as some talent on MW monk are specifically tailored to range MW and some talent are specifically tailored for melee like rising mist. You can’t choose both.
@@apdroidgeek1737 this is very old haha but the point was if you're playing "ranged" you're playing at a disadvantage. You can 100% take both styles of talents, that's what the raid builds are. Mixture of fistweaving and hard casting. But even if you try to play pure caster the game recognises you as a melee for mechanics too. Also rising mist is a huge benefit to run regardless - hots are core gameplay and extending them means more rems, more vivify cleave, can extend env mists from yulon and chi etc. It's not a talent strictly for fistweaving. I'm not saying don't play at range if you want to but the spec is designed to be played in melee regardless.
This is not the first healing evaluation I've seen. It gets confusing. What you are telling is or seems logical, but every video I've seen says something different. The one thing you all seem to agree on is Holy Priest, something I don't play a lot. But you have Shaman next where other will put Druid next. Others will put Monk in the second slot. The only time it seems to me that Holy Paladin has been any good at healing was in Cataclysm. So I guess, what I want to really know is best healer that has more utility / DPS and without having to have triggers that must be used to enhance other healing spells. In the past most of my time spent playing a Priest was on Discipline which I became comfortable with but it seems to lack AOE healing.
What is the highest apm healer? And can I 2h heal on a holy paladin
What does the "S" stand for in the ranking?
Ironic thing is giving ultimate radience from pvp talents to disc in pve would probably be one of the easiest healers (at least for m+) since effectively a 15s cd that heals more then a revivial if you talent into it
Guess disci will be much more harder on Dragonflight during Griev week, because its paired with bursting now :D
I think some of this depends on groups. If you are pugging M+ groups go holy priest or resto druid as you will have the easiest time getting hp up when people are dumb and stand in everything.
Ranged MW can pump too
Hey @MadskillzzTv thanks a lot for all your updates. I have been healing since vanilla and always happily mained priest. I feel like I want to change things up a little bit for this expansion. I mainly (90%) pug my way up to m+ 20/22s and I raid only if I have a lot of time, which I don't usually have.
I was looking for a heelar that can be reactive enough in that scenario of babysitting a little.
I'm still confused about which one could fit in this scenario and looking out for your advice and help. What would you suggest?
Thanks a lot for your time. Have a great day.
Looking at your name, how even have you not always played a monk? :o
@@tsurutom guess I might be born for that, but still haven't awaken my true full potential @Hatsu San 😂
at the evoker gameplay, what kind of ui is that? i like the bars, which shows the cooldown abilities separated 🧐
Thank you so much for your guide and recommendation of choosing a good healer senpai!!! I'd love to comeback to play to Wow but i haven't played since Legion's expansion and it's gonna be a little hard do it all alone...xD
so, Just one question bro...! What addons would you recommend me to use in order to begin again in wow? Healer addons I mean...
Thank you thank youuu so much senpai!!
Dragon healer good for pvp?
I love how stereotypical disc is put in the hard column because it requires you to know the fight and be proactive-- implying most other specs and roles can go in blind. No one new is playing WoW anyway, and knowing a fight encounter is like a basic expectation in the community. I would weigh range vs melee healing way higher than how well you need to know the fight and how long your ramp times are.
can someone tell me what weakaura is this "cd back up shown in the middle of the screen for a sec"? thanks in advance
luv this vid and TOTALLY AGREE!!!!! for beginners, yeap, I see the challenges and with you 100%
For me, I’d rate evoker definitely higher on the difficulty scale. Out of the box, it looks fairly easy - push your empowered spells and group health goes up. I think a huge chunk of the healing though comes from executing echo combinations, and that this requires a lot of pro-active forethought. In lower damage situations/lower level dungeons, your main toolkit, with some reversions, dream breaths and spirit blooms will get you by. But then lets add in some high damage, sustained healing situations and suddenly you have to pre-plan in stasis usage, you have to blanket echo combo - maybe echo > verdant > emerald communion which takes time to set up. Your single target healing doesn’t feel incredibly strong - living flame doesn’t feel as strong as other healers spam heals and its kinda a last resort button - so instead you’re echo comboing again: double reversion, double dream breath hot, lifebind buff. If you use your empowers poorly, suddenly you don’t have them up and it can feel like you’re out of stuff to push.
Add on top of this, increased situational awareness. Verdant Embrace alone means you need to have a greater awareness than other healers of where every party member is and the environment you are in. I need to charge this person, but oh wait, there’s a tornado about to intercept the charge path. I understand they wanted a gap-closer and even more mobility to talk about with the charge, but honestly it’d be a much easier healer if VE had no charge to aspect. Add in the lesser range with a spread group like you mentioned and things get tougher still - your best heal wont even reach people or will only do so at the reduced echo numbers.
As for the druid ranking, I do see what you’re saying with it being a pro-active healer, but in my list its above evoker, hpal, monk and disc. It’s true that you need some experience to get the best use out of it (ramp planning for raid and learning when you can safely shift to dps for chunks of time in m+), but I think, out of the box it still just works easily regardless. It has such a strong tool-kit and you never run out of buttons to push. Big damage, a convoke or a wild growth+flourish will likely save your party and give you the time you need to put those extra hots on them. Big damage in raid? Push that tranq and watch numbers go up. I think that out of the box ease (not accounting for mastery) rates it easier for me - classes such as evoker, hpal, monk, disc all can feel a bit more edge-of-your seat when things are going south and much easier to play badly, they feel like classes where you have to really make sure you’re using all of your kit from day-dot.
Holy is one of the easiest to learn but to master and get dps in with it can be hard
Resto druid rank same as holy priest imo. Holy priest has more utilities but resto druid have like 10 instant heals. They are both easy to play.
how is it now ?
Holy pala is D.
Once your offensive cds are down you can see how bad it is.
Not only that but your mastery works against you since you need to butt sit next to your team if you want to do good heals.
2:20 Min.: I main this Class.
And i can say yes its true.
The only negativ that i see is that the Holy dont have that much def cd and this as Cloth Class :/
Have a great day anyways.
Why would you play a ranged specced holy paladin? Your mastery is literally based around proximity towards party members..?
I can't imagine ever thinking resto druid is harder than evoker healing
Evoker complexity defo seems to lean heavy on positioning.
Which can be a pain in PuGs ;)
me playing since 2008. so holy priest it is ;-) played Disc in Wotlk and Cata. since they changed the style it dont like it anymore and i play holy priest.
Dude how do i get my unit frames like that? Is there a profile you have somewhere that u can share?
Can't Resto Druid spec into Boomkin options for windows where you need more DPS? Wouldn't that be easier than switching to cat form and back?
Moonkin has more burst with Convoke but overall feral does more damage
so..there IS a viable build for range Mistweavers (and Holy Paldin's) ?
It's better not to think of MW as having separate ranged and melee specs. It's a melee healer at its core and a lot of its kit is based around it. Trying to play them as strictly one or the other is pretty much trying to play an incomplete spec.
i love healing but i hate the idea that i have to dps aswel :(
I feel exactly the same way. That is why I never play healer anymore.
The moment when you are main pala heal and can not handle holy priest 😅 feelsbadman
With Preservation, the biggest issue is range. You gotta position perfectly, despite all the mechanics, while covering the whole raid to be effective. It’s a nightmare to keep the raid up when it’s spread. On top of that, preservation is more of a proactive healer than reactive. You gotta time you blossoms, you gotta time you empower skills, you gotta living fire and stack your essences anticipating large damage waves. Some abilities are easier though like Temporal Anomaly, etc. Verdant Embrace is as you said, is a nightmare because it doesn’t work with @mouseover. Spiritbloom isn’t working with @focus. Yeah. Preservation has massive burst HPS potential but it’s harder to make use of it. Need perfect awareness of the fights, mechanics, positioning and timing. It’s almost like playing a MOBA. And it doesn’t help to have all your proper healing spells as CDs. Many times you realize you you have no spells that you can use to heal for a few seconds until they come out of CD and by then, the resto Druid and retro shaman will top the raid up or the raid will die while you wait for your spells
FYI, I’ve hit 34k sustained HPS in some trash pulls in raids with preservation at level 60. But those are utopian scenarios and only good for fights that lasts about 30 sec
Imagine maining holy and respec to disc because they are the same character. 🙃
My man. How is Resto more difficult to play with its HoT effects than Preservation with Echo?
Not saying Preservation is all that complex but it’s definitely harder to play optimally than Resto. I don’t think it’s a good idea to encourage new healers to play Preservation because if they don’t understand how to maximize Echo their party members are just gonna have a really bad time. That’s simply not the case for Resto Druid.
A Resto Druid who uses their HoT effects in a bad/inefficient way will have a 10x easier time than a Preservation Evoker who uses Echo in a bad/inefficient way.
Other things to consider:
- Tranquility is easier to use than Rewind
- Dream Breath has to be aimed, unlike Wildgrowth
- Most Evoker damage is casted, but Resto can go cat form to do instant damage and they have DoT effects that allow them to heal while keeping up dps. They can also opt to stay ranged.
- Resto is about 100x more durable than both Evoker specs
- Resto has Convoke, which is easier to use and more frequently available than Stasis, whilst being similar in output.
- Iron Bark is an easier to use Tank Cd than Time Dilation
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Hot take. Not enjoying evoker at all. 😪
I think evoker is were it besonders with b tier. The range isn't too hard to get used to, to properly use echo and their hot isn't either. Not the best beginner healer but not the worst imo
I find it funny that you put druids down the tier cause their damage rotation is harder because your know that as healers they have two buttons
Resto Druid definitely isn’t that complex.
Preservation is definitely a lot harder than where you put it. There are so many bad preservation envokrers out there. So many that do not know how to weave in and out spells and abilities to make other spells and abilities better so many that will just pop a full charged dream breath on a group that’s only losing about 5% health are so many bad ones out there and I know a lot of them have actually quit because they can’t even heal +5.
Because they have played it for 3 weeks... Not 15 years
But what about pvp?
16:54 Min.: My List would be a bit diffrent:
S: Holy and Scharmi (Perfect Healers 2 get started ^^)
A: -
B: -
C: Evo and Druid (Semi ez but 2 much knowledge about the Game needet 2 perform great)
D: Paly and Monk (You ONLY play them meele or you do somthing wronge XD Its like 2 play Dizi and try 2 heal only without making dmg)
E: -
F: Dizi (Form power AND havyness. In my Eyes 1 of the havyst and not Worth 2 play healer. Could be disalbed 4 the frist cloth tank and everyonce would be happy.)
Tank Tier list Havyness:
S: Paly (Realy Easy Tank. The best 2 start in my eyes)
A: Druid (Soild but not Perfect good Tank 2 Start)
B:
C:
D: Monk (2 much Fuck up potential) and DH (CD Management is here 2 hard.)
E: Warri (Zero Selfhealing and 2 much Schielding. a Pain in the Ass 4 your Heals and i miss the Time where Blood DK was meta and i can go play schadow and igore my job :) But this warri meta let my fun as heal more get 2 pain and spamm healing makes no fun.)
F: Blood DK (Its like a Dance at a Blade that not everyonce can and the Pushnischment 4 newbies is 2 hard there.
if they can its the best Tank but 2 havy 4 newbies)
DDs Hardest Ranking:
S: BM Hunter.
A: Furry, Arcan, Frost Mage, Destro and DH.
B: Warlocks (Last 2 Specs), MM, Balance, Unholy and Frost DK
C: Monk, Schadow, Enhancer and Elemental Scharmane
D: Arms, Cat, SV, Evo and Retri
E: Fire Mage (Rota is 2 Komplex)
F: Rogue (All 3 Spec form it be 2 kommplex 4 Newbies)
This is just my Opinion think what ever you want
0:38 Min.: Befor you start with your list i say my opinion:
I have played every Heal in this Game and be self a Heal Main and my Focus lays at the M+ with sometimes a bit Raiding.
This cames form a guy that got many Curves (I raid HC 4 Myth have i not the Guild 4 it), KSMs and KSHs (M20 is my World with out a fully Pre Groupe is higher realy havy but makealbe) without a groupe with fully randoms.
Now 2 my opinion:
Holy: My Main? Easy 2 play hard 2 master. Would recomant it 4 everyonce that start playing heal. Godtier form the easyness.
Much direct and aoe healing.
Much CDs.
Reactiv Heal.
Diziplin: Schilds and heals with dmg not good 4 newbies. So i wouldnt Recoment it.
Paly: The Playstyle is nothing 4 newbies, you have 2 make dmg and stand in meele, not good 4 new players.
Druid: Hot Healing...
2 Much Planing 4 new player.
Scharmane: Good Heal 4 new player i would say the same like i say 2 the Holy ^^
Evoker: 2 Much Planing and Schielding. 2 Complex 4 new players.
Monk: Same what i say 2 the Paly.
So i only would recomant Holy and Scharmane 4 new player if they wants 2 learn 2 heal.
By the Tanks would i say Paly and Bear.
By the DDs? BM Hunter and maybe Furry or DH because this 3 be facerole classes in my Eyes ^^
Have a great day.
Come on!!!!!!!! resto druid is not that hard u said!!! strong heal, range healer, u can put hot and you have time to make dps, its realy ez to make key binding do 1 2 3 change to feral again do 1 2 3,
high mobility,very short casting times and most of spells are instant. i get it they say its proactive healer but not like disipline if you miss shields and do it after dmg you failed but Hots gonna work even after taking dmg i know resto druid can be realy good if you optimize it very well but i think every healer specialy evoker with that range and spread issue have their own optimization and if you fail with any healer for example wrong timing on totems your log will be mess up
cmon, firstweeaver have simpliest gameplay . it's basically just to your rotation, no matter what.. Druid isn't hard either, making statement it's harder than disc is jsut a joke
from easiest to harders imho should be like
mistweaver=hpriest>pala=druid=shaman>evoker
You're very wrong about mistweaver if you think it's just mashing your dps buttons lol
@@Zolik93 I constantly sit on purple or orange logs on me, I know
@@fleokan that's very vague and it's not informative at all. I also have orange and pink logs as mw across multiple difficulties but it's easy to manipulate healer logs.
You could say "just do your rotation" about anything lol
Yea.. Rdruid has a high skill cap. But you keep saying how easy it is for new players to pick up... So skill ceiling is irrelevant. Put druid in S tier if it's so easy to pick up. Thats what matters in this tier list. Not how hard it is to master if your in the top 1% of players.
Druid is super easy. Heal on the move. Everything you said regarding "easy to learn, hard to master" applies to shaman as well.
As if fistweaving was the only way to play a Mistweaver...
It is though? Even if you want to not play the Faeline Stomp build, you contribute no DPS from range and your utility is all melee. You're also tagged as melee for mechanics so if you stay at range you're bringing melee mechanics into range. Mistweaver is a melee class, that's all there is to it.
If you aren’t in melee you are playing wrong. No matter what you do you are a melee class with melee mechanics. Even if you go more into yulon and not into the outdated term known as “fistweaving”. There is just mistweaver. Which is a melee class and spec.
@@HugoTryst CJL? Zen pulse chi burst all of which are range skills.
priest have awful movement speed tho :(
ranking the disc priest in D says everything.. after the buffs last week and the buffs coming up next week the disc is an A Tier healer.. so please, boy...
Meme having both melee healers same rank while they have completely different playstyles and skills required. Also saying that mw has "somewhat rigid rotation" while holy paladin is literally bound to go 0-5-0 with holy power. Also you as well as many monks dont know when to press what when it comes to that "rigid rotation" - count that into difficulty?
As a melee player, I find melee healers to be easier for me. Now that is subjective but you cannot go saying that ranged overall including dps is easier then melee or vice versa. When it comes to melee holy paladin is probably as easy for melee players as holy priest is for ranged. MW monk is probably as easy for melee as resto shaman is for ranged. Druid is miles easier then disco and idk evoker thats too new.
Also you cant rate a spec just by one build. As a mw monk, if fight requires me to heal more with nothing to hit, I will spec appropriately. I wont stop hitting things when there is stuff to hit, same as melee dps. I would never spec out of rising mist too, but nothing stops me from speccing into upwelling and yu'lon perhaps with gift of celestials if fits dmg pattern.
Nyet
Lol, resto druid is the easiest healer ever what you on about xD