The Barbary Corsair has 4 things that is better than Privateers: 1) You get it a lot earlier (Medieval Faires which is in most of my games around 30 turns earlier, and I’m no slouch on culture) 2) It costs 0 movement to Coastal Raid which is a total menace in certain scenarios, you can complete decimate a coastline with no hopes of retaliation in a single turn. 3) It is cheaper to produce (240 production vs 280 which is a 15% discount) 4) It has cheaper maintenance (3 gold per turn vs 4). The most important of all these things is how early you get it. The Barbary Corsair can be a total menace against Civs that settle on the coast (and there’s a fair amount of them that do nowadays). You get it so early with the Ottomans that you often have it earlier or around the same time as Caravels.....and that’s a big deal. You should rethink your assessment of the unit.
I’m also surprised you didn’t talk about how Ibrahim can literally let you counter Eleanor and Phoenicia. A big part of their strategies is to flip your cities by either forward settling you along the coast as Phoenicia or collecting a lot of Great Works and exerting loyalty pressure as Eleanor. The Ottomans are one of the only Civs that can completely nullify these strats without going to war by putting Ibrahim in their capital and nullfying all their loyalty pressure against you. In fact, the Ottomans are one of the few Civs are can forward settle without consequence because of Ibrahim as well. You can use him to nullify loyalty pressure and simultaneously speed up the reduction of grievances you will accumulate by doing the forward settling. You say Domination is all the Ottomans are good at but it seems like the Civ can play pretty passive-aggressive as well because of Ibrahim.
Yeah Grand vizier is amazing ability for Ibrahim. On top of the things you mentioned, you can also kind of forward-conquer into enemy lands, negotiate peace and set Ibrahim to their capital, making your cities loyal. This ability is awesome in AI games, but human players, if they are not oblivious and actually consider this ability, won't let you have peace. In which case you have to bombard them to death the traditional way.
Another weakness I’d say is governor titles are even more competitive with the buffs in GS. Going straight for Ibrahim means you’re not getting Pingala or Magnus.
Suleiman is so good! Suleiman is a top 3 domination civ easily. Ibrahim (especially Serasker) along with Great Turkish Bombard is insanity. You just melt cities, it’s so easy. The Janisarries are also really good. IMO Suleiman is the best domination civ in the game. He has a loyalty boost, he has an amenity boost, he has combat strength boost, he has 2 unique units one is amazing (janisarry) and one that is decent (Barbary Corsair). Some people like the Barbary Corsair but some people don’t, but it only helps Suleiman. His building is also really good and it’s good for domination as well.
I’m currently playing as Suleiman and I’m winning in diplomatic victory because of all the city states I control and all the failed emergencies against me. Also I have multiple wonders that give me diplomatic victory points
Nice video. This is only an idea, but in the future you could make a video (or two) where you rank how are all the old civs in diplomacy and if that afects their over all ranking. I feel like they are not going to change that much, but it would still be interesting to see.
I, too, would be curious about how you'd rate the civs for diplomacy victories. I think one video rating them all on diplomacy would make much more sense than redoing all the old videos, though the updated civs I think need a new video to discuss their ratings in their Gathering Storm incarnations. I mean, the British seem to have lost their museum ability.
How to counter Ottomans: Grand Vizier: Spies can neutalize governors, Ibrahim is no exception (Catherine's France best counters this ability) Great Turkish Bombard: The main strength of this ability is buffing siege units. Light cavalry units can decimate them. His second bonus is a snowball effect. Don't let him capture cities. (Hungary's UUs, Mongolia's cav, and Scythia's light cav production best counter this ability.) Janissary: No niter? No Janissary. But if they do have niter try to kill of as many swordsmen they have so they cannot be upgraded. If they don't have any conquered cities hardbuiling them will be costly for them. Otherwise it would be best not to attack the Ottomans during the renaissance and use delay tactics should they attack you. Barbary Corsairs: It is actually very strong and unless you have siege on your coastline or a tech advantage you will have no control over the coast until the renaissance. Try to destroy their galleys so they cannot capture your coastal cities. (Indonesia's Jongs are the best counter to Barbary Corsairs as they are stronger when in formation and also arrive in the medieval era). Grand Bazaar: Pillage, Pillage, Pillage! Go for the luxuries, strategics, and this UB itself so it provides no benefit. (Norway is the best pillager, but light cav with pillaging promotion can get the job done)
How I counter Ottoman: Shower them in riches and be their friend. Also send trade routes to their nation, and they will love you forever. Works every time. ;)
Me ottoman as random- 😏 My friend who knows nothing about the game and thinks there weak because ww1-😂 Me readying the swordsman and the seige units while my friend is building 5 builders for his capital🤓 Me when I realise I don't have any niter and the only niter I see is in my friends city's 😩 Me when I realise my freinds declared war on Spain who is 3 earas a head of him and has a conquistador army and a massive armada🇪🇦 Me when I realise I founded Islam Spain is Catholic... 💀
That'd be tricky. Diplo is all about getting as much favor as possible, and arguably without the use of alliances (as the favor generated is for both sides, it'd mean your allies can vote against your diplo victory). Outside of GS's explicit bonuses towards favor, your best way to determine your ability at diplo victory is either through envoys or raw culture. Grabbing suzerainships will get you extra favor, and more importantly, deny everyone else that favor. Raw culture plays into that with envoy civics, government tiers generate more favor as you go up, and future civic now generates extra favor.
Incorrect. The single best way to get Diplomatic Favor is just trading with the AI for it. The AI currently will trade up to 20 Diplomatic Favor per turn for a small amount of gold or some Strategic Resources that they haven’t hit their cap on. Any civ that has a bonus to Strategic Resource yields (like the Ottomans with their bank) can buy a lot of favor off the AI gradually every turn and get a huge lead over them. Buying is super efficient too becaus you gain favor and they lose some. Sure they gain some resources in the process but it greatly improves your victory chances. It also has the benefit of making the AI like you so sometimes they’ll vote for you. It’s super tedious and I hate that it works that way but I have tested it and it is indeed the easiest way to win Diplomatic Victory with most Civs.
Keep in mind that Ibrahim gets the promotion that lessens grievances which could lend itself to helping with Diplomatic and Cultural victories. Did you consider that? Otherwise, yet another great summary. Thanks SG.
Hey Saxy! How about that suggested collab with PotatoMcWhiskey? I really like to see you two go head to head! Nice to see you continuing this series immediately
actually because of ibrahim he can have diplomatic victory. but it will be C As ottomans I conquered so much yet made countries like china like me (wich was my neighbor) a lot that I had 3 allies.
I haven't used Grand Vizer Governor before, Saxy Gamer, but you forgot to use Diplomacy tier rankings for "S" for being the highest and "F" for being the lowest.
Does Suleiman get excluded from secret societies? I just started a new civ and yes, I got Ibrahim, but the normal things that trigger secret society invites are not happening once I chose Ibrahim.
Whaf i like about the gs civs is that they are coherently constructed. The ottomans are for conquering cities and domination. I like that. I experienced civs that arent really specialised to create a boring gameplay dunno
Me ottoman as random- 😏 My friend who knows nothing about the game and thinks there weak because ww1-😂 Me readying the swordsman and the seige units while my friend is building 5 builders for his capital🤓 Me when I realise I don't have any niter and the only niter I see is in my friends city's 😩 Me when I realise my freinds declared war on Spain who is 3 earas a head of him and has a conquistador army and a massive armada🇪🇦 Me when I realise I founded Islam Spain is Catholic... 💀
The Barbary Corsair has 4 things that is better than Privateers:
1) You get it a lot earlier (Medieval Faires which is in most of my games around 30 turns earlier, and I’m no slouch on culture)
2) It costs 0 movement to Coastal Raid which is a total menace in certain scenarios, you can complete decimate a coastline with no hopes of retaliation in a single turn.
3) It is cheaper to produce (240 production vs 280 which is a 15% discount)
4) It has cheaper maintenance (3 gold per turn vs 4).
The most important of all these things is how early you get it. The Barbary Corsair can be a total menace against Civs that settle on the coast (and there’s a fair amount of them that do nowadays). You get it so early with the Ottomans that you often have it earlier or around the same time as Caravels.....and that’s a big deal. You should rethink your assessment of the unit.
“I propose we ban crabs” -Suleiman the Magnificent, circa 2017 AD
Let’s GOOOO
You put that Byzantine in S Tier and not me?
Dose your hat ever fall off when you look down?
@@dr.chamsburnerphone4386 he has unlimited hair production under beneath
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I’m also surprised you didn’t talk about how Ibrahim can literally let you counter Eleanor and Phoenicia. A big part of their strategies is to flip your cities by either forward settling you along the coast as Phoenicia or collecting a lot of Great Works and exerting loyalty pressure as Eleanor. The Ottomans are one of the only Civs that can completely nullify these strats without going to war by putting Ibrahim in their capital and nullfying all their loyalty pressure against you.
In fact, the Ottomans are one of the few Civs are can forward settle without consequence because of Ibrahim as well. You can use him to nullify loyalty pressure and simultaneously speed up the reduction of grievances you will accumulate by doing the forward settling.
You say Domination is all the Ottomans are good at but it seems like the Civ can play pretty passive-aggressive as well because of Ibrahim.
Yeah Grand vizier is amazing ability for Ibrahim. On top of the things you mentioned, you can also kind of forward-conquer into enemy lands, negotiate peace and set Ibrahim to their capital, making your cities loyal.
This ability is awesome in AI games, but human players, if they are not oblivious and actually consider this ability, won't let you have peace. In which case you have to bombard them to death the traditional way.
Another weakness I’d say is governor titles are even more competitive with the buffs in GS. Going straight for Ibrahim means you’re not getting Pingala or Magnus.
But on the other hand you are two hitting the enemy cities with Ibrahim and gaining more yields and resources this way^^
Suleiman is so good! Suleiman is a top 3 domination civ easily. Ibrahim (especially Serasker) along with Great Turkish Bombard is insanity. You just melt cities, it’s so easy. The Janisarries are also really good. IMO Suleiman is the best domination civ in the game. He has a loyalty boost, he has an amenity boost, he has combat strength boost, he has 2 unique units one is amazing (janisarry) and one that is decent (Barbary Corsair). Some people like the Barbary Corsair but some people don’t, but it only helps Suleiman. His building is also really good and it’s good for domination as well.
No. I'm top 3, with Shaka and gran Columbia. I can't accept this pelt-wearing jerk to be better than me.
I would actually like to see someone attempt a diplomatic victory with Suleiman. 😝
I’m currently playing as Suleiman and I’m winning in diplomatic victory because of all the city states I control and all the failed emergencies against me. Also I have multiple wonders that give me diplomatic victory points
It’s doable, you just gotta be good
Nice video. This is only an idea, but in the future you could make a video (or two) where you rank how are all the old civs in diplomacy and if that afects their over all ranking. I feel like they are not going to change that much, but it would still be interesting to see.
And also some civs got updated! So it would be even more interesting to see.
I, too, would be curious about how you'd rate the civs for diplomacy victories. I think one video rating them all on diplomacy would make much more sense than redoing all the old videos, though the updated civs I think need a new video to discuss their ratings in their Gathering Storm incarnations. I mean, the British seem to have lost their museum ability.
Nice vid. Ottomans look strong. Should be fun to watch.
How to counter Ottomans:
Grand Vizier: Spies can neutalize governors, Ibrahim is no exception
(Catherine's France best counters this ability)
Great Turkish Bombard: The main strength of this ability is buffing siege units. Light cavalry units can decimate them. His second bonus is a snowball effect. Don't let him capture cities. (Hungary's UUs, Mongolia's cav, and Scythia's light cav production best counter this ability.)
Janissary: No niter? No Janissary. But if they do have niter try to kill of as many swordsmen they have so they cannot be upgraded. If they don't have any conquered cities hardbuiling them will be costly for them. Otherwise it would be best not to attack the Ottomans during the renaissance and use delay tactics should they attack you.
Barbary Corsairs: It is actually very strong and unless you have siege on your coastline or a tech advantage you will have no control over the coast until the renaissance. Try to destroy their galleys so they cannot capture your coastal cities. (Indonesia's Jongs are the best counter to Barbary Corsairs as they are stronger when in formation and also arrive in the medieval era).
Grand Bazaar: Pillage, Pillage, Pillage! Go for the luxuries, strategics, and this UB itself so it provides no benefit. (Norway is the
best pillager, but light cav with pillaging promotion can get the job done)
Very good advice.
How I counter Ottoman:
Shower them in riches and be their friend. Also send trade routes to their nation, and they will love you forever.
Works every time. ;)
Yeah this aint working bud. Play in deity. You have to wipe them in medieval or you have to wait until planes. No way around it
Me ottoman as random- 😏
My friend who knows nothing about the game and thinks there weak because ww1-😂
Me readying the swordsman and the seige units while my friend is building 5 builders for his capital🤓
Me when I realise I don't have any niter and the only niter I see is in my friends city's 😩
Me when I realise my freinds declared war on Spain who is 3 earas a head of him and has a conquistador army and a massive armada🇪🇦
Me when I realise I founded Islam Spain is Catholic... 💀
Need to start factoring in diplomatic victories
That'd be tricky. Diplo is all about getting as much favor as possible, and arguably without the use of alliances (as the favor generated is for both sides, it'd mean your allies can vote against your diplo victory).
Outside of GS's explicit bonuses towards favor, your best way to determine your ability at diplo victory is either through envoys or raw culture. Grabbing suzerainships will get you extra favor, and more importantly, deny everyone else that favor. Raw culture plays into that with envoy civics, government tiers generate more favor as you go up, and future civic now generates extra favor.
Good call, Osu! There are five victories at once this time.
Incorrect. The single best way to get Diplomatic Favor is just trading with the AI for it. The AI currently will trade up to 20 Diplomatic Favor per turn for a small amount of gold or some Strategic Resources that they haven’t hit their cap on. Any civ that has a bonus to Strategic Resource yields (like the Ottomans with their bank) can buy a lot of favor off the AI gradually every turn and get a huge lead over them. Buying is super efficient too becaus you gain favor and they lose some. Sure they gain some resources in the process but it greatly improves your victory chances. It also has the benefit of making the AI like you so sometimes they’ll vote for you. It’s super tedious and I hate that it works that way but I have tested it and it is indeed the easiest way to win Diplomatic Victory with most Civs.
I’m excited to see your spotlight for Hungary. Interesting Civ play style. Great vids btw!!
Keep in mind that Ibrahim gets the promotion that lessens grievances which could lend itself to helping with Diplomatic and Cultural victories. Did you consider that? Otherwise, yet another great summary. Thanks SG.
He gets one having to do with boosting alliance levels as well, I think.
Def give Sweden a shot next, found them very powerful in my first playthrough.
Sulieman is rampaging the city states in my game. Jeez, luckily I have an ally in my war against him. Playing as Canada against him is rough.
Thank you for another great spotlight vid..Long time fan here....loving the content!!
Hey Saxy! How about that suggested collab with PotatoMcWhiskey? I really like to see you two go head to head!
Nice to see you continuing this series immediately
Great video love from Turkey!
Suleman gets an F in Diplomatic Victory.
actually because of ibrahim he can have diplomatic victory. but it will be C
As ottomans I conquered so much yet made countries like china like me (wich was my neighbor) a lot that I had 3 allies.
fun fact: Suleiman is the arabic pronounciaction of Solomon the Jewish king.
And Ibrahim is Abraham.
Turkish not arabian ˋSüleymanˋ
Solomon is suleyman in Turkish and Arabic suleyeman is in the Quran as the king of djinn
I haven't used Grand Vizer Governor before, Saxy Gamer, but you forgot to use Diplomacy tier rankings for "S" for being the highest and "F" for being the lowest.
by all uniques, do you mean old ones too?? what about ancient era units like the war chariot??
Does Suleiman get excluded from secret societies? I just started a new civ and yes, I got Ibrahim, but the normal things that trigger secret society invites are not happening once I chose Ibrahim.
Hi, I like your videos, I was wondering if you would be willing to add your Wonder rankings to your google docs tier list?
Ranking system is confusing. What's wrong with 1-10 or ABCDEF
Whaf i like about the gs civs is that they are coherently constructed. The ottomans are for conquering cities and domination. I like that. I experienced civs that arent really specialised to create a boring gameplay dunno
Siege units go brrr
Me ottoman as random- 😏
My friend who knows nothing about the game and thinks there weak because ww1-😂
Me readying the swordsman and the seige units while my friend is building 5 builders for his capital🤓
Me when I realise I don't have any niter and the only niter I see is in my friends city's 😩
Me when I realise my freinds declared war on Spain who is 3 earas a head of him and has a conquistador army and a massive armada🇪🇦
Me when I realise I founded Islam Spain is Catholic... 💀
I'm just saying, if I was still alive, I would have won irl
cringe
But is the AI able to use the boni of Suleiman?
You forgot a diplomacy rating since you can have a new win condition!!!
No he mentioned it.
Oh my bad then watched on the buss with no audio so only looked at the graphics.@@Legendendear
I forgot about this guy
Ottoman power💪
In other words , always take Suleiman out early.
How many of the pre GS civs got a makeover?
I only just recently got it, but i know america and England got reworked
@@andrewwahba5006 Australia was slightly changed as well I think.
Second longest leader look lmao
suliman xd