This is really cool, the baguette is really starting to look like a contender for my favourite aircraft (I put it on hold while Razbam was fiddling with it but I'm looking to get back into it).
Thanks for the info. This is making the mirage look like a possible buy in the new year sales. I would love to see CA or LOTATC and SRS combine forces to make this GCI role available. Would also be cool to see the datalink system on the tomcat similarly send commands to the tomcat.
I feel like the reason they made this feature for Mirage despite it never being fielded is because it's highly analogous to the Lazur system that their upcoming MiG-23 was integrated with - and Russians did use the system, in fact it was what made aircraft like the MiG-21 even remotely useful in the 80s. So now they're gonna have a good framework for GCI datalinks
i was looking for a comment like this. It's been stated before multiple times that russian cold war doctrine revolved around CGI. Given how blind Mig 29s and Su27s are at the moment, getting something of that sort would be a huge boost to their capabilities.
All I've done is remove the centre deadzones and enable precision mode when i do tutorials, which adds some latency to my movements, but stabilises it for viewers!
@@unwissend83 Well, if "new" means that it can use ground based DL sources then yes, that's new (at least if you exclude the Flanker which can already use ground based EWRs as DL sources). What I meant is that the way this works is nothing new for DCS.
@@realQuiGon That's what i thought was the point of "new" here. Not the Datalink itself or via EWR but from SAM or just the airbase itself, everything else is "old tech" in DCS.
Are you part of the Razbam team, or just closely related to the material? This is amazing. Totally unique systems drive immersion for me. Will fast mission, and instant action, populate the GCI list?
I'm not a DCS Developer, However developers do approach me from time to time to cover features for them, giving me advanced access and detailed information to produce these videos. Long as your jet has the panel it'll work in any mission with friendly airbases or radar sites.
Cool. I wonder why it was never implemented if it was developed quite extensively, did it just become obsolete as new datalink systems became available?
I suppose so. Something like Link16 would give you a full picture. Once you're given BE or BRAA to the target you can easily figure out which group is yours.
Russia are very big on GCI with their aircraft, so I'm expecting the upcoming Mig-23 to have a GCI mode of it's own. Although i believe it's hooked into the autopilot!
@@RedKiteRender if only they could give the benefit of the LAZUR developments for the 23 & 29 to the 21... LAZUR feathure was implemented on some Mig21.
The F-14 was also heavily driven by datalinked intercept instructions (it has an entire cockpit panel just to display data linked intercept commands), which is not implemented in DCS.
First, very cool video! Second, very cool features! Third, I did not understand it very well 😅 I mean...I can't imagine how this will work on MP. You sad that it does not need any special implementation or configuration on ME, that's means that (if enabled), on any server I will join I will be able to use it? If yes, what information will it show? And based on what? How to know on which frequency to tune/choose from? I simply not able to see it applied on a real server that you will randomly join, I may be stupid :/
So the Kneeboard automatically populates itself with radar stations and sets up the channels with radar frequencies for you. Starting with the closest, until it runs out of radars or channels to fill. Neither you or the mission maker need to configure anything extra. All you've got to do is pick which number you want to tune to. It will work in any server as long as your jet has the panel! Re-watch the beginning, Where i tune it, i apologise if i was a little too fast.
I got some differing symbology where I had BROU along the bottom of the HUD, and the lock box had little lines extending inwards from the corners - I can't find the right section of the manual and no one else seems to mention it in their guides... Anyone have any ideas?
I believe that aircraft is using a Jammer against you. Read the segment on Radar hud symbology for detailed info. This video is specific to the TAF's features rather than radar operation.
@@RedKiteRender Ahh, never thought of that, there was also a strange mass of asterisks on the scope as well now I think about it - and Google translate said brou translates to fog, makes a lot of sense. Thanks man
@@Bullet4MyEnemy Yep, The asterisks are indeed a directional indicator of an ECM transmitting, If you switch to the lower PRF mode you'll even see the noise visually within the scope.
So ... you are getting fed info from an external source ... will this still display all the info if you set your own radar to silent mode so you can approach a target undetected by their RWR?
Sort of. So the F-15 uses Link16, along with most other modern US fighters. (I presume the F-35 uses something more advanced) This is a network constructed of many, many donors all interchanging data to draw a big picture. The F-15 we have in DCS unfortunately pre-dates / doesn't feature Link16. This system on the older Mirage however, is simpler, the ground radar station is simply telling the mirage hey, I've got a target for you. Here's where it is, and instructions to intercept. It's a guidance system not a situational awareness network.
Imagine REDFOR plane like Mig21bis having access to something like this, we would finally be able to do a true intercept mission (just like Soviet PVO).
It sounds like a Cheat Feature if it's not actually being used INL or not currently found in any aircraft. We can't even get top grade fuel for Mustangs that did exist during WWII (regardless of actual quantities). It was available but ED wants to keep the Mustang and so many other aircraft modules neutered.
It was evaluated but not fielded (but still wired in the aircraft, while GCIs were not equiped), mainly because it costs money and provides not much any advantage over a well trained vocal GCI. The DCS version is no different, it can be disabled and will provide a picture not as clear as a good LotATC/SRS GCI human player. It could also be said that no IRL interceptor were ever sent without a vocal GCI operator... So flying alone on a PvP server without a true ground operator should be forbidden as irrealistic :P In that case, the TAF is a good, plausible and documented alternative...
You always have some of the best tutorials I've seen. Quick, clear, concise, and straight to the point. Thank you.
I just wish we had the mirage 2000 D variant with Link16. I'd definitely would buy that
Great video, very detailed. Can't wait to see more !
Thanks kindly Helljumper (For those who don't know, this gentleman is the Razbam Community Manager!)
This is really cool, the baguette is really starting to look like a contender for my favourite aircraft (I put it on hold while Razbam was fiddling with it but I'm looking to get back into it).
Finally the mirage is getting some love
Thanks for the info. This is making the mirage look like a possible buy in the new year sales. I would love to see CA or LOTATC and SRS combine forces to make this GCI role available.
Would also be cool to see the datalink system on the tomcat similarly send commands to the tomcat.
Fantastic video as always Redkite! I enjoy your systems videos! 👍
Much appreciated!
I feel like the reason they made this feature for Mirage despite it never being fielded is because it's highly analogous to the Lazur system that their upcoming MiG-23 was integrated with - and Russians did use the system, in fact it was what made aircraft like the MiG-21 even remotely useful in the 80s. So now they're gonna have a good framework for GCI datalinks
No, it was made it because the devs thought it was cool, that's all ;)
@@alpha_juliet it is certainly that. I just wish D2M was still standard. New 530 mechanics? D2M. Now Datalink? Makes the Mirage alot more potent.
i was looking for a comment like this. It's been stated before multiple times that russian cold war doctrine revolved around CGI. Given how blind Mig 29s and Su27s are at the moment, getting something of that sort would be a huge boost to their capabilities.
Nice feature, and great to see you cover the Mirage
Not flown her in probably more than a year! Razbam's done some great improvements since DCS 1.5 when i last flew her regularly.
Thanks for the video.. Not gonna lie i am getting more and more excited for the next update🤤
Thank you so much... Very usefull system :)
Fantastic guide thank you, appreciate it!
great video Kite !! btw your pronunciation on "Téléaffichage" was spot on for "téléaffi-" but the "chage" part is pronounced "sha-j" :D
this is really cool
Thanks a lot!
Love the mirage! Great video!! Is there any possibility that you could share your TrackIR profile please? Something about it looks so smooth!
All I've done is remove the centre deadzones and enable precision mode when i do tutorials, which adds some latency to my movements, but stabilises it for viewers!
Interesting information
I need some more m2000 vids relearning the game and plan to finally use the m2000
Great post!
This is pretty much a new thing for DCS in general right?
I believe so yes!
No, it's just a new thing for the M2000C.
@@realQuiGon Which other module in DCS has GCI (airbase/SAM) datalink? Isn't that exactly what the Mig-29 would need in-game but hasn't?
@@unwissend83 Well, if "new" means that it can use ground based DL sources then yes, that's new (at least if you exclude the Flanker which can already use ground based EWRs as DL sources). What I meant is that the way this works is nothing new for DCS.
@@realQuiGon That's what i thought was the point of "new" here. Not the Datalink itself or via EWR but from SAM or just the airbase itself, everything else is "old tech" in DCS.
Are you part of the Razbam team, or just closely related to the material? This is amazing. Totally unique systems drive immersion for me.
Will fast mission, and instant action, populate the GCI list?
I'm not a DCS Developer, However developers do approach me from time to time to cover features for them, giving me advanced access and detailed information to produce these videos.
Long as your jet has the panel it'll work in any mission with friendly airbases or radar sites.
Cool. I wonder why it was never implemented if it was developed quite extensively, did it just become obsolete as new datalink systems became available?
I suppose so.
Something like Link16 would give you a full picture. Once you're given BE or BRAA to the target you can easily figure out which group is yours.
Other techs coming along, costs to produce / field and a general air of, we manage well enough without it, using just voice / radio commands.
@@RedKiteRender Yeah. For us it's great because we don't always have the benefit of a human GCI telling us moment by moment how to intercept a target.
Will this be able to be used with EWR GCI?
Yes, any EWR, search radar, even airbase can be used to provide guidance.
Very interesting. Any other aircraft in DCS that should have this function?
Russia are very big on GCI with their aircraft, so I'm expecting the upcoming Mig-23 to have a GCI mode of it's own. Although i believe it's hooked into the autopilot!
Technically their upcoming Mig-23 and the Mig-29.
@@RedKiteRender if only they could give the benefit of the LAZUR developments for the 23 & 29 to the 21... LAZUR feathure was implemented on some Mig21.
The F-14 was also heavily driven by datalinked intercept instructions (it has an entire cockpit panel just to display data linked intercept commands), which is not implemented in DCS.
First, very cool video!
Second, very cool features!
Third, I did not understand it very well 😅
I mean...I can't imagine how this will work on MP. You sad that it does not need any special implementation or configuration on ME, that's means that (if enabled), on any server I will join I will be able to use it? If yes, what information will it show? And based on what? How to know on which frequency to tune/choose from?
I simply not able to see it applied on a real server that you will randomly join, I may be stupid :/
So the Kneeboard automatically populates itself with radar stations and sets up the channels with radar frequencies for you. Starting with the closest, until it runs out of radars or channels to fill.
Neither you or the mission maker need to configure anything extra. All you've got to do is pick which number you want to tune to. It will work in any server as long as your jet has the panel!
Re-watch the beginning, Where i tune it, i apologise if i was a little too fast.
You’re symbology on your radar looks way better than mine. More crisp and clear. Have you made some changes?
No changes, just graphics near max.
I got some differing symbology where I had BROU along the bottom of the HUD, and the lock box had little lines extending inwards from the corners - I can't find the right section of the manual and no one else seems to mention it in their guides...
Anyone have any ideas?
I believe that aircraft is using a Jammer against you. Read the segment on Radar hud symbology for detailed info. This video is specific to the TAF's features rather than radar operation.
@@RedKiteRender
Ahh, never thought of that, there was also a strange mass of asterisks on the scope as well now I think about it - and Google translate said brou translates to fog, makes a lot of sense.
Thanks man
@@Bullet4MyEnemy Yep, The asterisks are indeed a directional indicator of an ECM transmitting, If you switch to the lower PRF mode you'll even see the noise visually within the scope.
How do you get your cockpit instruments so clear? I also fly the M2000c at high settings 1440p and my cockpit isn't that clear.
I'm not doing anything special that I'm aware of.
So ... you are getting fed info from an external source ... will this still display all the info if you set your own radar to silent mode so you can approach a target undetected by their RWR?
yep
how do we select another TAF target after we shot down the first one?
Can you please do a video about how to use the radar and bvr?
In general or mirage specific? BVR is a massive topic that applies to many aircraft, and so does the general technique of using radars.
@@RedKiteRender specific on the mirage if that's okay, it's to only Dcs aircraft I and my friends don't understand how to use.
Isn't this something you can do with the f15 I think they do it with the f35 sending the data
Sort of. So the F-15 uses Link16, along with most other modern US fighters. (I presume the F-35 uses something more advanced) This is a network constructed of many, many donors all interchanging data to draw a big picture.
The F-15 we have in DCS unfortunately pre-dates / doesn't feature Link16.
This system on the older Mirage however, is simpler, the ground radar station is simply telling the mirage hey, I've got a target for you. Here's where it is, and instructions to intercept. It's a guidance system not a situational awareness network.
Imagine REDFOR plane like Mig21bis having access to something like this, we would finally be able to do a true intercept mission (just like Soviet PVO).
can this only track one target at a time?
Only one
It sounds like a Cheat Feature if it's not actually being used INL or not currently found in any aircraft.
We can't even get top grade fuel for Mustangs that did exist during WWII (regardless of actual quantities). It was available but ED wants to keep the Mustang and so many other aircraft modules neutered.
It was evaluated but not fielded (but still wired in the aircraft, while GCIs were not equiped), mainly because it costs money and provides not much any advantage over a well trained vocal GCI. The DCS version is no different, it can be disabled and will provide a picture not as clear as a good LotATC/SRS GCI human player.
It could also be said that no IRL interceptor were ever sent without a vocal GCI operator... So flying alone on a PvP server without a true ground operator should be forbidden as irrealistic :P
In that case, the TAF is a good, plausible and documented alternative...
This is a simulator, if you want something balanced you are going to have to look for a game
Excellent.