Frieza Saga Vs Cell Saga: Which Is Better?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2023
- Frieza Saga Vs Cell Saga: Which Is Better? @LSMMIKE and @Geekdom101 discuss that in this Dragon Ball video about the DBZ anime and manga.
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A great video and discussion for sure. I loved how you guys brought up both the good and bad of each Saga. Myself I love the Freiza Force I love the look, design, and scaling of the minor characters. Vegeta vs Zarbon and Recoome ate some of the best one episode fights of the whole franchise for me. I also love the different ways a slight tweek of a characters color gives you a brand new character in the Freiza Saga. That said I prefer the Cell Saga simply because all major characters have their moments to defeat the big bad at various times. In Freiza you think some can until you realize Freiza is not only killing people he is killing time he could gone finale form anytime and ended it. Cell Saga you never get that vibe.
@crystalthroneimaxtheaters his tail got cut off and Saiyan Tails never regrow as Adults
I liked how the first half of the Namek Saga was a cat and mouse chase for the Dragon Balls.
It end up being my favorite hunt, the dragon ball in the series
It really felt like a chaotic mini war. The cell sage definitely isn’t written as well I don’t think anyone will argue that. Frieza saga is perfect dragon ball
@@jaioncebollero1168 The three-way(Vegata being the 3rd faction) mini war for the dragonballs was honestly was much more entertaining than the Android Saga before Cell took the spotlight. It's what sealed the deal for me.
That’s the only reason I give it to the freeze/namek arc. Vegeta having his own agenda was the best part
@@AD-ur1fk Yes Vegeta completely stole the show just like the dragonballs.
Vegeta being absolutely a wild card and troll-essentially a third faction for first half of the Namek Saga is why I choose the Freiza Saga. Rather than whether I prefer the main villains Frieza and Cell. Cell was essentially his own faction but he was no where near as entertaining as Vegeta was on Namek before Goku entered the picture.
@@StopShoutinImNappin Yes sir. The tension before Goku arrived was unmatched.
Precisely this 😂Victory for Vegeta!
Yeah, Vegeta alone elevates the Frieza saga so much.
The Frieza saga is the best and most iconic, the Frieza saga is where most people became fans
Frieza Saga! It introduced the best and most iconic Villain of the entire story, the arch-enemy of goku and vegeta, the destroyer of their race not to mention it brought forward the beggining of the legend of the super saiyan which would evolve to MANY new forms!
The Frieza arc was the only time I felt concerned of the heroes losing. Although I also feel Frieza was made way too powerful, that it left a lot of characters behind that might not of happened.
A big advantage cell had over frieza was that he had to get his powers through other means while frieza had it all naturally.
@@justinarzola4584 Cell’s Power Was Natural Too .. Just That Dr.Gero Set Him Up With A Head Start On The Z-Fighters .
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Both Frizea And Cell Sagas Were The Best In The Entire Series
Who else remembers the disappointment watching Toonami and after Goku arrived and defeated Recoome, it went back to the beginning of Z with Raditz landing on Earth! 😩
It was so freakin awesome when we finally got to see the rest of the Frieza saga!
There is no such thing as leaks back in the day to see the whole series.
lol that’s not for the kids, we are old my friend
the frieza saga had you more on the edge of your seat with suspense, such a powerful character leagues and leagues above even the strongest of our heroes. The desperation around the whole situation kept you invested, plus Frieza being the cause of the legend he feared so much was just the perfect example karma coming back around ive ever seen.
Cell was my fav arc because just about everybody has the spotlight on them at some point (In some cases, it was the last time they really got any spotlight). Goku taking a backseat for most of the arc was also different from the usual LOLGoku wins stuff. That and Cell just being a troll in general just makes me love it more. I love Frieza too, but honestly I like to watch when Goku arrives on Namek and go from there.
I LOVED the first half of the namek arc, when there are all the different groups trying to get the dragon balls. (Sure the bulma filler sucks, and I hate that they really didn’t have anything for her to do). But I like how even small mistakes shifts the balance all the time. The latter part of the ginyu portion is subpar, when he keeps switching bodies… but then the final boss fight is as epic as it ever was.
I would say goku taking a backseat and then coming in as a hero in the end had already been established. This time, he came back and failed in the cell saga. That’s why I like it,
I prefer the frieza saga from a story perspective, the cell saga was all over the place but the begining and end was great.
😂 it’s ironic that the guy who likes so the most has a Kermit profile picture
@@chrisblanc663spitting facts here bro!
The plot twists of the Cell Saga are so great!
Cell Saga for me. The Terminator inspired time-plot is more interesting, Cell is more interesting than Frieza, the arc ties in loosely to early Dragon Ball via Gero's association with the Red Ribbon Army, Gohan taking the "W" was a genuine twist and change of pace, and other minor details.
I thought vegeta was better in the frieza saga, perfect cell was pretty uninteresting but imperfect cell was creepy and cool, and i would take the ginyu force any day over 17 or 18.
@@justinarzola4584 Ginyu Force was GOATed. But Vegeta's progression as a character in the Cell Saga is better in my view. As for Perfect Cell? I don't see how anyone can see him as less interesting than a run-of-the-mill space tyrant. He was the embodiment of the past generation; the collection of the greatest warriors.
Android 16 was cool af, 17 and 18 turning out to not be as evil as we expected was a fun twist and the introduction of Future Trunks was better than any character introduction in Z.
@@AJRodriguezChannelAgree to disagree on some points but your definitely right about trunks introduction, that was iconic seeing him take out Frieza and his dad like nothing and one of my favorite moments as a kid.
@@AJRodriguezChannelcalling Frieza a run of the mill space tyrant is unfair, he is incredibly iconic
@@justinarzola4584Agreed. Vegeta was better in the Frieza Arc
The Namek Arc is my favorite in the series. It kept me intrigued on how the heroes had to out smart the antagonists for survial, and to see who would claim the dragon balls first. I love how they had to strategize and each new foe all leading up to the final confrontation with Freeza, and Goku's Super Saiyan transformation to defeat the tyranical foe. Piccolo, Goku and Freeza are my characters in the franchise so this also contibutes as to why it is my favorite arc, despite that I like Future Trunks also. And finally I only prefer to view the remaining series with DBZ Kai because the fillers for that arc and later drag on way too long.
Your channel has a whole new feel to it bro im loving all of your current uploads since you returned ! I think ill go with the FRIEZASAGA
Frieza easily. Everyone had a huge role. The cat and mouse aspect was fresh and intense. Introduced us to the ginyu force and frieza and ssj. Cell could've been killed so many times but didn't for plot reasons. Just akira writing himself in a corne
Those last two sentences you wrote got taken to the extreme in the Buu saga lol
@@blaketindle4703 it was so bad in the buu saga. Akira didn't know what to do in that arc
@@blaketindle4703 The Buu saga sucked so hard I don't even consider it canon anymore. In fact, I struggle to call anything after the android saga canon.
Agreed. That's why I prefer Frieza. Cell could have been beaten a number of times. But with Frieza. If Goku doesn't go SSJ. They don't beat Frieza.
@@kevinlee9929 Exactly. The Spirit Bomb was Goku's last card and Frieza knew that. That's why he was like ok, time to blow yall up to show yall I ain't messing around anymore lol. If Goku didn't become the legend it was a wrap. Frieza still didn't go 100% at that time as well, smh.
Frieza saga was my personal favorite arc. I have never been more satisfied watching a villain be defeated, as from the first episode of DBZ, we knew he was responsible for the destruction of Goku’s homeworld out of his fear of the legendary super saiyan. To see a “low-class” Saiyan from Earth be the one to defeat him was immeasurably satisfying. Also, not sure if this factors into other people’s evaluation, but I loved the score for the arc in the anime (kikuchi). I really felt the sense of justice and other emotions emanating from the tracks, even more so than in the cell arc.
To be fair we didn’t know Frieza was the one to destroy planet Vegeta until much much later but yes we did learn of the saiyans in general in the first episode.
Marxtheboss yeah I'm absolutely with you. The frieza saga is my absolute favourite too
Its hard to say. They're quite a bit different sagas. Not to mention the variations between the manga and anime versions. If we're saying anime, then the Cell saga easily. The pacing died in the Freeza saga since the anime had to drag shit out as much as they could so Toriyama could finish the manga arc. Meanwhile in the Cell arc the anime expands on a few things like Gohan's relationship with Goku when they were training. The manga just has Gohan screaming, then him screaming again but his hair turned yellow, then Goku explaining grade 2 and 3....and that's it. Gohan got barely any character development in the manga but the anime fleshed it out a lot more.
I think ultimately I'll have to say the Cell saga. It had an unique story and introduced so many iconic characters. We had villains that were gray characters rather than just black and white. Not to mention we got a lot more unique locations for fights to take place than just random wasteland.
Great point
The Cell Saga was the best overall saga for me. The suspense during Imperfect Cell’s first appearance was good stuff.
Imperfect Cell is the best version of Cell for me. He was the only version of Cell that was ruthlessly determined to carry out his mission by any means necessary, and his creepy design and horrifying absorption technique makes him all the more sinister and exciting to watch!
Semi-perfect and Perfect Cell fucked around too much imo.
It was so ironic that Cell exploited Vegeta’s weakness, tempting him to want to see his full power, and then later he displays that exact same weakness by wanting to see Gohan’s hidden power!
Freeza arc because of they gave krillin a huge role
He had a huge role & opportunity in the Cell saga to be the hero if he killed 18
Cell saga because they gave krillin a wife lmao
@@imverygerbytechnically it’s the Buu saga when krillin gets his wife krillin really left the cell saga sad😂🤷🏾♂️
@quanmfsanchez411 nah Buu saga is straight trash. Everything from Saiyaman to Majin trash was garbage. For me the Cell Saga was the end.
@@jerkface38 Same, it was written like a perfect ending.
Mike, your videos this year have made me more passionate about DBZ than I've been in the last 5 years. I'm almost considering making a video to more explicitly share my opinions on dbz lol.
Two legends diving deep into my favorite childhood anime! 🔥🔥
From a feelings standpoint, the Frieza arc is just too damn iconic and nostalgic for us millennials. I do feel the writing in the cell arc was better. The bait and switch with cell not the androids being the main villains were awesome. Goku vs Cell is still my favorite fight in the whole series. They also emphasized conditioning (full powered super sayain) over more power grade 3
I'm also a millennial but I'd have to say Cell, Namek went on for too long and in the middle of 1998 it just ended there and we had to wait until September/October of 1999 to finish it off. This long wait made me dislike the Namek arc a lot for a long time, only now can I really appreciate it for what it is but I'd still put Cell first, then Namek Saga, Saiyan Saga barely ranks below, and I don't even bother with the Buu saga, it's trash to me.
@@ValientlinkBuu saga trash? Hmm I do really enjoy the first half.. Once everyone regroups and Fat Buu is left alone it gets worse right until the end
@@Vivi_9 I wish the whole buu saga would’ve ended with vegeta sacrificing himself and killing buu. The plot became so convoluted after this.
@@luckyhands64yeah it should of ended there
I prefer the Cell/Android saga, as I think it's more narratively dynamic and less repetitive then the Freeza/Namek arc. The latter is mostly just a gauntlet of fights against Freeza's henchman (there is some interesting stuff with shifting goals and alliances when Vegeta is causing chaos to both sides, which is the best part of the arc IMO, but it doesn't last and it's still mostly just fight after fight) wheras in the Cell/Android saga, the goals and factions involved are constantly shifting: Not only do not know who the final villain will be, as was brought up in the video, but you don't even know what the next objective will be. There's training, there's stealth, there's trying to track people down, etc. It's not just fight after fight, and I think that really makes it more interesting and fun to follow.
While I think both arcs are great, I think that the Frieza arc was better than the Cell saga. I liked how the Frieza saga was a continuation of the story that was started from the saiyan saga. The Cell saga was a good continuation of how Goku defeated the red ribbon army when he was a boy, but it feels too self-contained in the overall dragonball story, even though it starts with a continuation of the Frieza arc. I also like how the battle with Frieza was so difficult for those involved. Sure the androids were a threat to the Z-fighters too, and pretty much defeated them on multiple occasions, but if the good guys made different decisions, they could have stopped Cell from achieving his perfect form. In the Frieza saga however, none of the Z-fighters stood a chance against Frieza, and it only seemed like they stood a chance because Frieza is holding back most of the fight. Every time the good guys seem to have a chance, Frieza powers up and takes that chance away. It takes Goku becoming a super saiyan for Frieza to finally meet his match, and it isn't easy. Cell wasn't an easy opponent either, but it didn't start off like that. Cell was weaker than Piccolo after he fused with Kami, but he was smart enough to escape from Piccolo, hide his power and slowly build up his power until he was stronger than Piccolo, 17, and 18. 16 had a chance to stop Cell, until he absorbed 17. Vegeta had a chance to stop Cell, but gave him the chance to absorb 18 because Cell knew Vegeta well enough to know how to manipulate him. Once Cell became complete, no one was strong enough to defeat him except Gohan at super saiyan 2, and Gohan still messed it up by toying with Cell instead of finishing him, which led to Cell nearly blowing up the earth, and Goku having to save the day. This leads to another point that I like about Frieza saga over the Cell saga. Goku felt like he was handled better in the Frieza saga than Gohan in the Cell saga. Goku learning to accept his saiyan nature culminated in his "I am the super saiyan Son Goku!" line. While Gohan's super saiyan 2 transformation led to him being ruled by his saiyan instincts and toying with Cell instead of finishing him. Goku just seemed to have a better handle of his saiyan nature than Gohan did, and Gohan wasn't a full-blooded saiyan. I still enjoyed both arcs though.
I feel like the Bardock Special is really what gave Freeza much more weight as a villain for Goku to beat. Without it it might not have meant the same thing because of Bardock's failure (forget minus.)
I am a fan of the Freeza saga over the Cell saga and as you asked I will explain why. What I like about the Freeza saga is that they don't just tell you what's on stake. They teach how you can be strong but sometimes you might face someone far stronger than you. The cool villains and good guys alike, the stakes, the freaking war, the battle until the very end never giving up and the emotional impact makes the Freeza saga a winner for me. Well done for Geekdom on what he said- I saw DBZ first with the English dub and only after that I learned about the former DB. So I watched in English as well first. But then after seeing one episode in the Japanese with subs I decided I never watch the dub again.
I love this channel so much man. Dbz has a special place in my heart, and to hear people talk ab how much it means to them at length is damn near therapeutic 😂
Frieza Saga has some of the greatest moments ever imo, the Ginyu Force, Vegeta killing pretty much everyone, Goku vs Frieza as a whole, and obviously the Super Saiyan transformation
but I like the Cell Saga more because it explores more the Super Saiyan transformations, evolving it and giving some insight into the Saiyan "biology" in a way, which is honestly amazing to me, especially because it has my favorite forms ever with Super Vegeta and Super Trunks
same the Super Saiyan Transformations were great in Cell Saga
I honestly say that the Frieza Arc was better bc it was more focused and well written😊The Hunt for the DragonBalls against Frieza's Army and Vegeta really was suspenseful and gory. Frieza was a Marvelous Villain but his supporting soldiers like Zarbon and the Ginyu Force really enhanced his terrifying presence👹👹Krillin really came into his own as acting leader of the remaining Z fighters and really helped bring DragonBall as whole up a notch❤
.The Cell Arc was cool buuut it was all over the place on who the main villian was going to be. Then,having Cell return and kill Goku & Trunks only to be killed off a couple of episodes later just left a bad taste in my mouth😤
Cell blowing himself up on a different planet, in a different dimension and then somehow reviving himself back on Earth really just makes no sense and felt like a cop out and bad writing personally. Same with him spitting out 18 but still keeping his perfect form. The writing seemed to have started to get lazier and lazier as the cell saga progressed.
@4spooky8u Yea I was happy that 18 came back bc it made Krillin happy but still the writing was just all over the place in my opinion.
Awesome video! I love whenever you two collaborate. Cell saga is my favorite. I love it for all the reasons stated. Frieza saga was definitely amazing and undoubtedly even more iconic. But I like how Cell is the culmination of the entire series going all the back to the Red Ribbon arc and kept you guessing for a while who the final boss was. Cell is my favorite villain and in my top 5 favorite characters of the series as he had to work to become perfect whereas Frieza could've easily killed everyone from the beginning if he felt inclined. It also introduced Trunks, another favorite.
My biggest problem with both the cell and buu arcs was that the events didn't feel that natural and required characters to make rash decisions for things to happen, you can tell after frieza toriyama was making it up as he went along without much planning except the development he gave gohan which he probably didn't even intend until the last minute.
@@justinarzola4584 Agreed...a lot of thought was put into the Frieza saga and the heroes were on the backfoot the entire time. Seeing Vegeta against Frieza genuinely scared for his life and in tears even during the fight with his final form after everything he tried knowing he was hopeless and doomed to die was one of the hardest things to watch, it really showed Vegeta at his most vulnerable and that he got what came to him as a result of disobeying Frieza after all these years being forced to serve him. Vegeta dying was incredible, you just couldn't believe what he was saying it was shocking and showed the reality of how cold Frieza truly was and how Vegeta truly felt, I will never forget that. Goku burying Vegeta and actually was very shocked at what he heard from Vegeta really turned a whole corner, Vegeta was evil, he hasn't apologized for anything that he did but he explained more about why he was the way he is, despite Saiyans being battlethirsty they're enslavement by Frieza really meant Vegeta had no choice but to become what he was even as a Saiyan Elite, he now found himself in the same position a low class warrior would in the presence of a powerful tyrant as Frieza and was disposed of when he tried to rebel against him once and for all in the end. Vegeta spent his entire life to reach the moment he was able to face off against Frieza, it had so much purpose and an incredible backstory. People don't realize that in terms of character writing, plausibility, seriousness and the level of emotional reaction to the events were so significant in the Frieza saga, it was far deeper and more purposeful, it also made sense of the entire Dragonball lore as well that we know today.
Gotta agree Cell Saga was best Saga
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Before you even get INTO it, the Frieza saga. It introduces Frieza as a main villain as soon as they get to Namek and they were so outclassed by him the ENTIRE saga. If it wasn't for Super Saiyan Goku, they were all dead. That's how you write a villain. Imperfect Cell was outclassed by Android 16, Semi-perfect Cell was held back by TIEN and then beaten by Super Vegeta and had to BEG Vegeta to let him get another form, and then Perfect Cell literally waited for 11 days for a tournament and Goku didn't even spend any time training because he knew Gohan was going to win...which, no matter what the circumstances, Gohan DID win. The saga just doesn't establish Cell as a better villain and so the saga itself isn't as interesting. Cell wasn't even introduced as the main villain ; it was the Androids who were SUPPOSED to be the big problem, so the saga just seems inconsistently put together. Just my opinion, let's watch the video because your explanations rock hard!
dope.. u N Geekdom are Certified OG’s in the DB community.. Found u in college but been watchin Geek since middle school
Great video! Love the LaughingGeekMedia101 colabs!
I really love the Frieza saga. It's where I first saw DB and years later after multiple viewings of the entire franchise I'm still fairly tied on what one is truly better than the other because it's so close.
But I got to give it to Frieza saga, it is the best because it transitions from the previous saga so well and develops all characters in interesting ways besides maybe Bulma who was annoying lol.
I pretty much agree with Geekdoms points about the Cell saga having better moments but the exploration fact of being on a different planet with a villain that ties Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo together with the whole trope of gokus previous enemies becoming his allies is absolutely amazing for the story. The dynamic of Krillin and Gohan searching for the dragon balls along with Vegetas character development is so fun to watch. The fact that Gohan and Vegeta go from trying to kill each other in Saiyan saga to competing for the dragonballs, trying to then join forces to beat Frieza then in the Cell saga Vegeta witnessing Gohan supassing not only him but Goku as well then helping Gohan to destory Cell makes pretty much all of DBZ until the Buu saga top tier for me.
Even with the blurry background, you can tell that Geekdom's bedroom is a little bit untidied. 😄
I like both sagas, maybe Freeza's one better. Those 5 minutes until the planet exploded were tense.
I enjoyed hearing your guy's takes on this! Motivates me to make youtube videos again haha
Great job with the vids bro
Frieza Saga was a culmination of so many plot lines, but some things were left incomplete such as Gohan’s development and the Goku/Vegeta rivalry. Cell Saga wrapped up the development of Gohan into a warrior and Cell was a perfect end villain as the combination of every fighter up to that point. Piccolo and Kami also got their resolution in that saga. Hell Krillin finally got a girlfriend too. The only thing left unfulfilled is Goku and Vegeta’s rivalry, which was fulfilled in the Buu Saga.
Also the finale to the Cell fight, especially in the anime is the best ending to a fight in the series.
Also Goku went from being the student to the master in training Gohan with Super Saiyan, which wraps up a character arc for Goku.
I can more easily see the series ending with the Cell Saga and being a satisfying end compared to the Frieza Saga. So I think Cell Saga is superior. But Frieza Saga is really damn near close.
I'll say Frieza saga because its basically end game. Check it:
We figure out the history of the dragonball
Piccolo and Kami history
Learned about Frieza is the most powerful being in the universe
Super Saiyan legend that Frieza feared
Learn that Frieza was the one who destroyed planet vegeta
Frieza killed both parents of Goku and Vegeta
Enemies turned allies
War on Namek for the Dragonballs
Strongest warriors in the universe all in one planet
Z warriors fights Frieza
Piccolo comes home
Vegeta finally stands up to Frieza
Frieza Kills Vegeta
Goku finally meets the guy who killed his family and race.
Goku finally embraces his Saiyan heritage.
Frieza kills Krillin
Goku becomes the super saiyan of legend
Dethroned Frieza
The universe is saved
Perfect ending in my book
@@KameronDAaron just no. I've heard this before. But Goku and his character arc peaked in the Cell games. Just because he excepts his own heritage doesn't mean his arc is completely over. Piccolo and Kami were teased fusing back in the saiyan saga but you think it's enough to just explain the origins of both characters. Gohan's character arc is left half done on namek. Krillin gets a far better ending with Android 18 as his girl presumably at the conclusion of the Cell arc. The Vegeta and Goku rivalry actually heats up during the Cell arc as well. Tien even had his shining moment against Cell.
@@KameronDAaron But Piccolo and Kami never resolve their personal issue with one another and the whole build up to Gohan's hidden power doesn't get a pay off until the Cell Saga. Goku is also the student up until he trains Gohan where he becomes the master.
@@jeskerjames3260 facts. Also the fact that Cell has the abilities of Goku and his previous adversaries adds to the story of Gohan taking up the mantle and becoming the main character.
@@jeskerjames3260 you right, especially with Gohan potential.
Cell saga, no question. The battle between three fathers trying to see which of their sons is strongest is incredible.
The freeza saga is my favourite i love all the fights and different enemies, and just how iconic it is
Mike not gonna lie it tripped me out that the background was flipped in this video compared to the other one everything is on the opposite side of room 😂😂
The Andriod/Cell Saga is the best arc. A lot of characters get the spotlight in this one. Vegeta goes SSJ for the first time, we got Future Trunks who is awesome, time travel is involved, and SSJ2 was introduced. I like how they tied in the old Red Ribbon Army back into the story as well. A good call back for those that watched the original DB
Great video!❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I love both sagas but I love Frieza a little more. On first watch when it was just Gohan and Krillin on Namek vs a revenge fuled Vegeta and Frieza who King Kai didn’t even want Goku to fight under no circumstances was so scary. Gohan going from scared to fight in the last arc to raging out vs Frieza’s force to protect Dende was epic. Vegeta reluctantly helping Gohan and Krillin vs the Genyu Force and Frieza. Then Vegeta accepting that Goku was the chosen Saiyan to stop Frieza. Frieza was just pure evil and it was scary and epic. Cell was too full of himself and let the Z fighters train before the Cell Games. Goku finally accepted his heritage and became the legendary Super Saiyan to defeat the evil tyrant that he oppressed for so long was poetic justice. These are the reasons why I like the Frieza sage a little more than Cell.
The fight choreography on freeza saga just hit different
The cell saga hands down for me.
The frieza saga is very cool, especially how all characters interact and move the plot along, Vegeta was great then, and it also has nice character development for Gohan, and the beginning of one for Vegeta.
But the cell saga has a bit of everything: mystery, horror (though short lived), great fights, time travel, culmination of character development for Gohan, important character development for Vegeta, Goku passing the torch to his son, Goku realizing he misunderstood Gohan's character, bonding moments between the characters, emotional moments (16 and Goku dying and Gohan's reaction to both deaths), the most badass transformation so far (ssj2 Gohan, pissed, with tears running up and down his cheeks)
The mystery brewing around Cell in the beginning of the Cell saga was just so good, my favorite part of Z. It builds up the intrigue so well and it was the most engrossing part.
I’d love to hear you guys do a video on which of the special you think did their respective arcs more Justice .
You guys forgot to talk about the dub music! So many good themes introduced in the Cell saga
I loved when geekdom talked about toonami.. 1 of my all time favorite videos
Frieza hands down!
Cell is my favorite villain, namely because of how he grows and changes between his forms, which you talked about in a different video (yes, I just did a plug for you. Lol) But my favorite saga was the Sayian Saga. I loved moments of the Frieza and Cell sagas but they both had one significant flaw that has followed in pretty much every arc since. (Except for the Goku Black arc as far as I know.) And that major flaw is simply the dragon balls. The universal reset button. With the dragon balls around, the stakes never feel too high. They can just use a wish or two to undo the damage. But with the Sayian Saga, the loss of the dragon balls was a tremendous blow. That one thing set up the Frieza saga. Yeah, the Z Fighters won against the Sayians, but at a terrible cost with no way to fix the damage. To me that's where the highest stakes of the series was. Even with the Buu saga, they ended up using Namakian dragon balls after the Earth was blown up by Buu. And the fact that the Sayian Saga started with the death of Goku, we knew we were in for a major battle. If the other two Sayians were as strong as Raditz made them sound, and Goku and Piccolo just barely beat Raditz, you know it would be close too. And it was. Loved it.
Freeza arc. Good world building. Lots of new interesting characters. Most epic fight. Best villain. Minor characters do shit.
In my opinion the frieza saga is the best saga in the entire Dragonball series between krillin and gohan exploring vegeta being the anti hero/villian the classic adventure for the dragonballs again and the best villian and one of goku s best moments turning super saiyan
I didn't realize there were people that liked the Cell Saga better than Frieza tbh lmao. I thought the controversy was Frieza vs Saiyan Saga then after that it was Freezer/Saiyan > Cell > Buu. Although TFS Cell Saga is arguably the best Dragon Ball content we've ever gotten
Frieza saga is the only one where there was an immediate and clear threat.
Cell Saga - Heroes literally let the problem grow out of control
Buu Saga - Heroes literally let the problem grow out of control
Think Frieza's connection to saiyan history, and Goku avenging his people by realizing the legend are huge pluses. I mean let's be honest, Cell's motivations are linked to a character in Gero who was retconned into the story anyways.
And yet Cell saga is just more enjoyable lol
Love these which is better videos you and geekdom101 are doing! Ok
Freeza saga is better for me amd here's why.. we see Gohan grow we see vegeta becoming more of an anti hero style character we finally see how much power they can get from a rage boost with goku.. the filler IMO is better in freeza saga also.. but the number 1 reason is that because if the freeza saga we all wanted to go SSJ...
I agree with what dom said the frieza story is just incredibly written, but all the moments in the cell saga give it the edge
I think the Cell Saga is the best from an entertainment standpoint but Frieza is the narrative peak of the series easily.
I like the Cell Saga the most because everybody got some kind of shine. Vegeta was the first Saiyan to show that Saiyans can surpass SSJ. Trunks had the most dramatic power up in the anime. Goku had the best fight in the arc with Cell imo. Gohan doesn't need to be explained.
Krillin played a major role in the plot by not destroying 18 when he had the chance. Tien had a standout moment with his Tri Beam. Yamcha had some shine when 19 and 20 mistakened him for Goku before they saw him with their eyes. Piccolo surpassed SSJ and effected the entire series by fusing with Kami making the Dragonballs disappear.
Not to mention nearly every fight and transformation sequence was epic. I love the Android and Cell sagas
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Cell saga because nostalgia honestly, that was peak Dbz for me, every day at school me and my friends would talk about what we thought was going to happen next, android 17 was always my fav character
It's a toss-up for me... They're both incredible...
Freeza saga was better because the Z fighters never seen a power like Freeza b4 and it paved the way for stronger characters
Love the video as always. I got to go with the Frieza Saga. I'm an OG fan, mom having the satellite tv I was able to see Japanese animation, and DBZ was it. I watched DB and when I found out there was a continuation to the story in Z it blew my mind as a kid. I want to say this was like '95 or '96. The Frieza saga was so good and I feel is still the best arc cause it was like a complete Dragon Ball story. The Cell arc wasn';t really all about the dragonballs it was more about staying alive and saving the planet. Dr. Gero and none of the androids were looking for the dragonballs as well as Majin Buu saga. So I lean towards the Frieza saga because it was a dragonball story. Think about it, the story takes place on King Piccolo world and his rival, Goku's son, Gohan is one of the main protectors of the people along with Krillin and Bulma. Seeing Gohan's growth in that arc as a warrior and a person who will no longer standby and seeing other get hurt. Gohan became a warrior in that arc., he took on every villain that came across their path, and even took a gut shot from Vegeta(lol). Krillin got his power up and was with his best friend son along with Bulma trying to wish back Yamacha, Tien and Piccolo. Original characters from the original story. We got to see the Z fighters fight along Vegeta for the first time and the introduction, somewhat of multiple transformations. Not to mention Goku fulfilling the prophecy of the Super Sayian. So to me Frieza Saga reigns supreme due to the fact the whole arc was based on strategy up until the final battle, the location taking place on King Piccolo's home world, Gohan becoming a warrior , it was a dragonball story, Goku fulfilling the prophecy, finding out what happened to Planet Vegeta and also the fights. We can not overlook the multiple characters with the multiple fights. That was awesome. The Frieza saga had the best fights.
Frieza Saga is my favorite of the two arcs. Had a mix of both the adventure part in the first half and great fight scenes in the second half.
I prefer the Frieza saga over the Cell saga but it's definitely close. My main issue with the Cell saga is, Cell doesn't really seem to have a motive for why he's evil. Frieza is running a galactic genocidal empire, he wants the dragonballs to solidfy his power in the universe. Cell just wants to unite with the androids which he does successfully, but it ends there. If Cell were to be successful over the Z fighters, then what would he do? enslave the remaining humans? For what purpose? The stakes just seemed so much higher in the Frieza saga, namekian genocide, dragonballs (both stopping vegeta / Frieza and using them to wish their friends back to life), defeating an evil genocidal galactic ruler.
Freiza saga , it had so much had happen, the tactics, the build up, the development, the disrespectful fights, the story.
This is tough. I love the dreadful hopelessness from the Frieza fight bc he outclassed EVERYBODY including Pre-SSJ Goku. The transformation was awesome and the fight on an exploding planning was perfect. I also love the Android saga cuz of everyones goals and journeys and the only hope being a timid kid who turns into a completely different person. Imma give it to the Frieza arc slightly. Both are GREAT
Frieza Saga got me into DBZ, Cell Saga got me into Anime.
I love the namek and Frieza arcs. What's great is the dragon balls actually are central to the story. Vegeta is doing crafty things and there is a 3 way fight over them . I think it's some of the strongest story telling in the series.
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That's hard to decide for me until today. I watched both Arcs so many Times and love them both so much.
Freeza got it. Cell the only impact for me was Gohan. Freeza was out of control 😂
Frieza saga for sure. We got to witness the first ever ssj. Vegeta was a savage throughout the Frieza saga, even all the way up until he cried and died. Cell saga, we got to witness Gohans' true power that's all I got out of it.
Vegeta vs zarbon and then the rematch . I loved that as a kid
Laughingstock can you do a video of.Who would win piccolo or android 19?
Frieza wants to torture the Main Characters to Death because they pissed him off, and he was just naturally powerful.
Cell has to absorb the androids to get his power and he wants the entire planet to fear him before he kills them all, destroying the planet.
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I highkey think team four star’s parody elevated my love of cell saga. The two versions of cell saga kinda meshed in my mind overtime so that the number or characters and scenes i love is almost doubled
I blame" TFS for DBS...... I liked DBZA fine but people took that shit WAAAAY too seriously.... I've even heard it mentioned unironically as the superior version.....
One thing I thought was perfect was trunks killed vegetas past being freeza all the captivity, etc, and gohan pretty much did something akin to that for goku with the red ribbon army.
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Nobody brings up the undercurrent of body horror in the Cell saga. The first androids' energy absorption powers, how Gero basically turned himself into a brain in a jar, Goku's ongoing battle with the heart virus, and most obviously Cell's whole gimmick of being a creepy bug monster that physically absorbs people to power up. Even freiza got his fucked up frankenstein rebirth before getting cut to bits. I remember my kid self just feeling an intense sense of dread that whole arc as everybody gets physically violated in one way or another. Toriyama was really cooking in the cell saga.
Ultimately, I love both sagas
Both arcs are great and the best in Z easily but I choose the Cell arc, I feel like it has better character moments than the Freeza arc (this also due to some characters being dead and or killed and not there for the remainder of the arc). I feel like the Freeza saga is a little bit more akin to a classic hero story and the Cell saga is a bit more complex with changing villains and time travel. The cell saga also just has some of the craziest moments in the series like Vegeta going ssj for the first time, Final flash, instant transmission Kamehameha, Gohan ssj2, final beam struggle, piccolo vs 17. Also I love how in the cell arc all of the z fighters are together almost the whole arc (even if some aren’t really doing much of anything like Yamcha lol), it’s great seeing them all interact with each other
Frieza arc My reasons are all Vegeta's fights were GREAT, the growth of characters, ( I mean any Z fighter who touched Namek soil changed for the better of the show/arc) & GOKU TURNING SUPER SAIYAN for the 1st time along with Goku & Frieza epic battle on a exploding Planet!!!
Imperfect Cell is the best version of Cell for me. He was the only version of Cell that was ruthlessly determined to carry out his mission by any means necessary, and his creepy design and horrifying absorption technique makes him all the more sinister and exciting to watch!
Semi-perfect and Perfect Cell fucked around too much imo.
Frieza was intimidating and terrifying from his introduction all the way until his death.
I like how everyone had something to do in cell saga, super should take notes also the movies during this arc were 🔥 🔥 🔥
Both are great but my favorite is Cell Saga. All these Super Saiyans and grades are great stuff.
I don’t like the first half of the Frieza Saga that much. But man from the time the Ginyu force arrives, all the way through the end; it’s the best! Peak Dragon Ball!
C'mon bruh. Frieza, rather easily, especially since we had to watch it for 10 years straight on Toonami, with the original voice acting. 😩
I think we can all agree that DB's writing peak during the Sayian to Cell Sagas
I like cell saga more but for some superficial reasons mostly.
1.) When i first started watching dbz on adult swim it was like YEARS of only showing the ginyu force episodes over and over to the point where i was sick of the frieza saga.
2.) I prefer Earth over Namek. I think Namek is ugly to look at.
3.) I like the androids and cell's designs more then frieza and the ginyus
4.) Being a young boy i liked Gohan most so of course his epic battle with Cell was the most hype moment for me
5.) Trunks was so cool
As an adult i can see the frieza sagas merits and can even concede it is potentially the better saga but i still prefer Cell. I mean that moment of him going through the floors of a tv building and they were flipping through the channels and he was always there and then aiming a blast at the map to illustrate how he would destroy the world and then blowing out the back of the building and everything behind it from the city to the mountains was such an epic villain moment to me.
I kinda see the pattern here
Freeza saga - goku character arc
Cell saga - gohan character arc
Buu saga - vegeta character arc
It's funny when you think about how the Frieza Saga only lasted as long as it did because Frieza didn't crush the Dragon Team despite having so many chances to do so. All of that playing around with his food resulted in awakening the Super Saiyan of legend that took him down.
When you look at the Cell & Buu Sagas, the Dragon Team had so many chances to eliminate threats either through their superior power OR knowledge of what NOT to do in order to help the bad guy(s) reach even higher levels of power.
Funny when you think about it that way.
In terms of which saga I prefer, I'll go with the Cell Saga.
It's an interesting reversal of roles Toriyama had going on there. We see that dynamic shift multiple time in the Cell saga between Cell and the heroes, even up until his final moments.
@@LSMMIKE yeah remember that the main squad had the advantage over Frieza's forces due to their ki control instead of relying on gadgets to detect power levels, but then in the Android Saga it was the REVERSE because the androids didn't have ki to sense meaning that the Z Squad was at a disadvantage because of it
Cell arc for me. I felt like there was less filler or slow parts like in frieza and especially buu.
I also like when enemies team up with the team. Also it had the best ending fight with Gohanand Cell and even Yamcha is trying his hardest to help it was cool.
I like the Cell arc a bit more out of some structural aspects. The Namek and Android arc (pre-Freza and pre-Cell appearing) are equally good to me, but the first halves of the arcs though they change a bit when they show up imo. Unlike the Freeza arc, Goku in the Cell arc was training on screen and it there was a lot of preperation focus on it (I prefer training subplots more so than just random rage boosts, which is an aspect I like more in the Super Manga than the anime), as opposed to just off screen stuff we got from the Saiyan arc and Namek arc and the jumps in power didnt seem as sudden in gap as they are in the Freeza arc or Saiyan to Freeza range. Goku didnt seem like he had these wild jumps he did from Earth to Namek or come in to save the day like he did in both the Saiyan and Namek arc. The Cell arc he was there with the other characters working on training.
Cell also was one of the only villains that had to earn his transformaton as a villain. Super Buu did a little, but Freeza just had forms to pull out of his ass and when that part of the arc happened, it dragged on so long and didnt feel like anything new was happening sitting through Freeza just messing around with the characters and transforming everytime someone shown up. Where as Cell he only transformed when he got closer to his goal, and it was only once in very spaced out moments in the arc, which gave the forms better build up as opposed to Freeza just rushing through his and being invincible for the whole thing before Goku shows up. Super Perfect Cell also came at a bigger surprise with suspense. Freeza's forms didnt. The Freeza fight vs everyone just didnt have much suspense to me. Freeza even kills Krillin twice in it. Where as 16 dies in a sacrificial moment that you knew was permanent.
I love both but I give it to Cell, everyone was apart of that arc even if they all weren't that useful. I also feel like Namek dragged on like crazy and left me missing the Earth and all of the familiar locations, the Cell arc focuses on many parts of the planet and there are so many twists and turns.
Cell saga is my favorite because it feels like the finale to all of the story building up to it. The consequences of the Red Ribbon Army come back to bite Goku, Trunks is a cool mystery character, Gohan gets the payoff for all of his buildup, and nearly everybody gets a chance to shine at some point in the story. If the series decided to end with the Cell Games (like DBZA), it would be a good finale
Namek&Freiza was imo PEAK DBZ.
Don't get me wrong Cell was Absolutely 1000% 🔥
But the Namek&Freiza energy hit diffrent when you see the character development and the way the story builds and shapes up.. plus that cat & mouse game is CRAZY gooD!!
And let's talk about the Villin!!!
Bruh...... FREZIA!....was one of them ONES!
Took a Legendary to beat him & STILL survived
Took a Universal SpiritBOmB to the CHIN!
SURVIVED A Exsploding Plantet (while Injured)
Did not have Regeneration & still put in that Work.
Had a Galactic Empire.
Enslaved a prince and made the king his Vassle.
Had the Universe including King Ki Shook!
To me imo Frieza will Always be the ultimate villan in DBZ. And Namek&Freiza will forever be the GOAT imo