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Saiyan Saga Vs Cell Saga: Which Is Better?
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Saiyan Saga Vs Cell Saga: Which Is Better? @LSMMIKE and @Geekdom101 discuss that in this Dragon Ball Z video featuring the DBZ Anime and Manga.
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I can't make this argument, as a fan I love the Saiyan saga it is classic. But the Cell saga had so many more layers and episodes, it isn't fair to compare the two. The characters are also established.
I consider the Saiyan Saga and the Namek Saga inseparable, thus perfect, they are so well connected, and possibly Toriyama's strongest work.
Same
Most definitely, the flow well together
Peak anime for me.
Agree 1000 percent
The saiyan saga is better in terms of exploring the dragon ball universe through the introduction of raditz and the reveal that goku is an alien, plus it has arguably one of the best if the not the best fight in the series and that's goku vs vegeta. The only con that kinda debatable is that the secondary characters are not as useful as in the cell saga since most of them have died.
The cell saga is better in terms of character development, especially for piccolo, vegeta, gohan, and trunks, but have the downside with how the main characters are able to end the saga whatever they want but they just don't do it.
My favourite is probably the cell saga, but the overall best is the saiyan saga.
Idk bruh, Saiyan Saga is the last Saga Krillin is relevant lol also Gohan’s character made more sense. He was young enough to be scared but powerful enough to be a wild card. Cell Saga Gohan, after Namek, I never understood why he spared Cell. When Gohan’s hidden power had been unleashed, we were led to think he could get the job done. He finally unleashed his rage and power and played around and got Goku killed lol
@maniacslap1623 He was playing with cell because he wanted to make him suffer but unfortunately the biggest loss is king kai who is still dead till this day.
I’d argue that Gohan, and especially Piccolo, had better character development in the Saiyan saga.
@@maniacslap1623Krillin was relevant on Namek
@@maniacslap1623 somewhat agree depending on what op means.
The human characters are even more useless in the cell saga.
Gohan, piccolo are shared.
Then trunks and Vegeta are useful.
But there were more humans doing stuff.
So who does that leave, Bulma?
I'd say it just evens out.
Maybe no one character got some major power boost. But they all leveled equally instead.
I like the saiyan saga because of how it basically changed the entire story of dragonball, introducing Goku's heritage as a saiyan, introducing the enemy saiyans that forced Piccolo into becoming an ally and very nearly killed the dragonball cast, and even did a great setup for the next arc. I honestly think that I enjoyed the Cell saga more because of better fights (one of my favorites being when Android 18 beat Vegeta), nice tie in from an earlier adventure of Goku, and a pretty nice finish of Gohan being the hero with a lot of help from Goku.
The first half of the Cell Saga was probably the best writing we ever got, and a lot of that came from the wild editorial interference creating changes in the narrative. Once we hit Imperfect Cell though, it all narrowed out and became pretty typical. I don't have a high opinion of the entire second half. I'd say the Saiyan Saga as the OG is overall better but the Android and time travel and investigative parts of Cell are amazing.
Hi Eli nice to see you 😊
When imperfect cell first came was one of the best parts tho. When Trunks arrived all the way till imperfect cell was perfect
It wasn't editorial exactly. Nor was it exactly interference. An old ex-editor offered critique. Nothing was forced or anything. They weren't even working for the same magazines at the time(but they were still part of the same company I think).
I go with the Saiyan Saga cause of the introduction of Vegeta and the first fight he had with Goku.
I remember as a kid getting DBZ VHS tapes at a store called Suncoast at the local mall. They were released two at a time and were months ahead of the episodes airing on Toonami. The plot twists of the Cell Saga were so phenomenally good it was so hard to wait for the next tapes! I was so damn excited every time the next two were released! That’s why the Cell Saga will always be my favorite!
I still have those vhs tapes sitting in my closet haha
Same, i feel bad for my mom paying for all those vhs tapes lmao.. think they were like 30$/pop, so 15 an episode? jeez
that was me with samgoodies store and the first time I got a dbz tape with newer episodes than toonami it was the first time trunks shows up
Sayian arc just because every Dragon team member was used
The Saiyan Arc over the Cell Arc any day in terms of action, character depth and story telling.
Your chemistry with geekdom101 on camera is getting even better since the first video I watched with you guys a few weeks ago. I like this collab.
My two favorite sagas of DBZ. They have a lot in common, both start with an invasion, an introduction of a new character and a warning for a new threat which leads to intense training. They are also among the few (at least back then) that didn't revolve around searching for Dragonballs and both ended with Gohan being the hero. They are also the only sagas where the majority of the cast got an epic moment. I'm also a Piccolo fan and they happen to be his two best arcs and biggest roles.
Saiyan saga for me, and not just for the nostalgia. You basically had story telling, the buildup, and most characters were useful vs. the Cell Saga, probably 50%, maybe even less of the characters were just spectators or useless at that point.
Cell Saga was the start of DB becoming the Super Saiyan Show
I think everything up to the end of the namek/frieza saga. It was one constant through line that had organic storytelling with not the weird plot contrivances as later sagas. Obviously it had its share but there was less plot amour/weird character motivations stuff going on
I think the saiyan saga is underrated and underappreciated by the dragon ball fans nowadays, because when people think of which dbz arc is their favorite they immediately think about the frieza or cell sagas without giving much thought and appreciation for both the saiyan and buu arcs. I've seen in many polls from channels asking which dbz arc is your favorite, and the ones that always have the most votes is the frieza and cell sagas. You can truly see the underappreciation there. I'm not saying you SHOULD like the saiyan arc, but its just sad to see its unpopularity nowadays.
Many people only look at the fights, as far as story and plot saga in saga plows through all three other sagas , character development was at an all time high and training was valued a lot. The best part was that it took everything for the z fighters to win and they almost still lost which was so entertaining how much they battled and everyone was on their last leg.
It's probably conflated with Freeza.
Great time as always! Loce seeing you guys argue and talk! Your passion is impressive! For me is the saiyan saga! Specially the anime
That art of cell on the thumbnail is god sent
Love these collabs between you two, you guys make great content together!
Never been so early to a video. I love the content Mike! You became my favorite channel in the last few weeks
Another great collab! It's really so close to call. If it wasn't for the Saiyan Saga, I might've not even have got into the Dragon Ball franchise but I always loved the Cell Saga too. The one perfectly set the new groundwork for the rest of the story to follow and the other had one of the greatest endings with a cunning villain with a few amazing designs that actually had to work to achieve his goals. Because the former is way shorter than the latter it's really not even fair since with so many episodes your bound to have some bad ones but overall they balance out and are quality. You mentioned all the great fights, the character development, the hopelessness, the sacrifices. The music is great in both. I guess I might say Cell only because we get more of a great thing. And the driving episode will always be my favorite filler
Honestly gotta ask how it was a competition tbh. The cell saga I always assumed was universally accepted as the best one.
So much fun complexity with a great mix of character use and fights where everyone gets to shine. Plus ending in the most dramatic conclusion of the series.
The saiyan saga whilst also great and somewhat similar in structure it is less complex which usually wouldn’t matter too much if it was. But in comparison to what we learn and the impact of the character me and character moments. Isn’t really a comparison.
I personally found the Saiyan saga to be the best and the Cell saga to be the worst, not that the Cell saga is bad, it’s just boring.
I thought most people found the cell and buy sagas to be the worst
Hey LSM! Love the video! Two of my favorite DB content creators together again! You should make a video that gives some insight into where the title “saiyan” comes from
I absolutely love the Sayian Saga. It's easily my favorite, despite it's flaws. I'll say that the Cell Saga is better in terms of plot, characters, and pacing. The Sayian Saga has the better fights and more tension in the fights, without all the completely one sided beatdowns, and the stakes felt so much higher. They won, but at what cost? And no dragon balls to use to hit the reset button. That made the victory bittersweet, as it was hard to celebrate when literally everyone involved was either dead or in the hospital afterward.
Thanks for this! Love your comparasions man!❤❤❤❤❤
Saiyan saga for nostalgia and old school feel and Cell saga for upping the badass shit by like 10x.
Imma go with sayian saga not only was it the groundwork for all of what the dbz portion would become with the reveal of piccolo and goku being aliens leads to Nanak and frieza which goes to super sayian and it has great fights one of the best in the series with goku and vegeta shows gohan potential the spirit bomb and kioken iconic and it has by far the best filler of dbz with gokus snake ray adventures and gohan surviving in the wild it’s not even close
Saiyan saga is a great classic!
Cell saga was good too. 🤩
Loved this video ❤❤❤
Bro it’s not even a competition the Cell Saga was perfect… literally
1.Frieza Saga
2. Sayian Saga
3. Android/Cell Saga
4. Buu Saga
I would say Saiyan for the classic nostalgia, and Cell saga for the sheer epic nature of the story and Gohan’s potential coming to roost.
Cell saga was poetic. The whole arc was about preventing the future from happening and gokus death, the ladder still ends up happening but oddly happy
Saiya Jin Arc!
The sayian arc blew my mind as a kid. Not only do the heros loose but they are actually Killed in action. It was nuts to my young mind
Good Video breakdown of Both Sagas💯💯👍👍
That’s tough saiyan saga was the first of dragon ball that I saw as a kid so it got me hooked but I just always loved the cell saga it’s perfection
They're completely different so it's hard to say which is better. The saiyan saga was much more simple in structure but it opened up so many things. Everything you thought you knew in Dragonball is now changed. Meanwhile the Cell Saga goes places. There's several more antagonists, several timelines at play, elements from the Red Ribbon arc making a return, not to mention the plot is much more complex.
They forget the Kamehameha vs Galick-Ho, that bean strugle até sick, the animation is perfect.
Goku vs Vegeta is my favorite fight in the series. Second would be piccolo vs goku in the 23rd tournament.
I mean, one of these, is Perfect.
Well I can't talk about the manga since I've never read it. But when it comes to the anime while I love both arcs I love the Saiyan arc more. For me the Saiyan arc is full of showing capabilities, full of emotion. I mean I felt the stakes as if I lived inside of the DB universe and with the Cell arc I didn't feel the same. Vegeta or Bejita is not my favorite but I saw how cool he is from the beginning. I think if you saw my comments you already know who my favorites are. When I first watched I had no idea there was a pre story, now after I have everything I stand by my word I felt the Saiyan arc more.
Saiyan. The Cell saga is awesome, but there's a lot of really bad writing in it, and the fighting isn't quite as impactful. The Saiyan saga was really damn brutal, and also more tightly written. It's also the last point in the story where the humans characters weren't basically just background characters, and it still has a classic Dragon Ball feel that I like.
And of course, in the west we don't get the sense of how much of a shift it was, because most people started with Z, but imagine reading that as it came out, or watching it after the original Dragon Ball anime, not knowing about what happens. Must have been crazy.
The Saiyan, namek, and cell arcs are all just incredible. I don't know if I can even pick one
Cell saga was dope but the Saiyan saga just hits different.
yo'u're behind me right now.
Gohan was a component of Cell. He says so at the beginning when he list off all the Cells he has and from what people.
I've always loved the Garlic Jr. Saga
The Baby saga of GT (what many say is the best part of GT) felt like a repeat of Garlic Jr. in a lot of ways. And then Dragon Ball Super would recycle their own versions of a Goku doppelganger (Goku Black, when Ginyu, Turles, Bardock weren't enough), a Vegeta doppelganger (clone Vegeta), and Broly (Kale, and, uh, Broly). A lot of the best stuff in Dragon Ball wasn't always Toriyama's own idea. In fact, it was Toriyama's WIFE who suggested he do a martial arts story in the first place lol. If it weren't for her, we wouldn't have gotten perhaps ANY of this
13:35 what kind of math is that lmao 😂
i want a full retelling of DB and DBZ that coheres to all the retcons and doesn't stray drastically from the original but yeah reanimated, voiced etc
Saiyan Saga is better in terms of traditional storytelling but Cell has much more personality than the saiyans did. Even Vegeta was basically just an arrogant space pirate despite better character development later on. Cell saga also had much more eye candy.
Sayan saga is Goku discovering his origin while Cell saga is "the fathers saga": Goku-Gohan and Vegeta-Trunks relationship. Sayan saga plot is shorter and needs to be completed with Frieza saga to be understand better. Which i prefer? I don't know. Cell saga is more cool with all transformations but without the Sayan saga, the Cell saga wouldn't have exist.
Cell Saga was great, didn't like how Cell obtained both androids but that is my only gripe
IDK. I'm not adding the Android/Trunks saga with Cell, nor Raditz Saga. It's connected, but not the main thing.
Saiyan Saga for me.
Far as I'm concerned, Z ended after the Frieza Saga, anyway. There were no fights after (to this very day) in Dragonball that have surpassed those in that arc.
CELL SAGA IS DEFINITELY THE GEATEST ONE OF THE FRANCHISE
Saiyan saga is by far the better arc
The best character development in all of Dragon Ball is definitely Piccolo in the Saiyan Saga.
Cell, easily.
Cell saga is basically like Frieza and Saiyan Saga combined because Cell has DNA of Everyone.
I need a Dragonball vs DBZ debate
Danny, my boy!
Cell saga easily for me. It has better fights, transformations, and Cell was a more interesting villain than Vegeta. I also love time travel stories.
I just watched the Cell saga episode where Trunks explains his and Vegetas training in the HTC … that scene is beyond epic. Amazing music, amazing imagery. Trunks’ English voice actor is just going off. Such an amazing mini arc with him and Vegeta,a great saga and just an amazing show overall. DBZ is the best anime of all time.
Gotta do a Frieza saga vs Buu saga next.. it’s only natural
23rd Tenckaichi Budoukai vs Cell Saga next?
Personally I liked the cell saga, the one saga where goku was not the hero
Lets be honest when it comes to sagas in dbz kai most people remember eithier the namek saga or cell saga you rarely hear people mention the saiyan saga.
The arc with the sexy bug man is better! I know what I said...
@Laughingstockmedia For me, I think watching DBZ S1 for Saiyan Saga. DBZ Kai for Namek Saga. AND DBZ S4, S5, AND DBZ Kai S4 for the whole Android Saga.
This helps with pacing and filler. Android Arc's end is a perfect finale of the Dragon Ball series.
Lol good video and no I’m not gonna rewatch it in Japanese haha. Dub and manga is just find for me thank you.
I think when it comez to these two Sagas the best way to answer it is which Saga has the most draw backs. Because that really decided it for me. The Sayian Saga like many Americans was my first exposure to Dragon Ball Z under the Ocean Dubbing and while it has a special place in my heart I have to myself give it to the Cell Saga. Because Sayian has great battles, moments, and filler and it's the filler that hurts Sayian for me because I'm not a Gohan fan and the Sayian Saga focuses a lot on Gohan where Cell let's Gohan take a back seat for a lot of those stories. The Sayian Saga does have great filler as well, I loved the stuff with Piccolo and the Z Warriors training with Kami, and even the Vegeta and Nappa destroying an alien world to show case their power. The Cell Saga isn't as focused on the filler as there are several story threads going at the same time. So when the Androids are just going around looking for Goku we saw what they did to our heros so there is that relief of ok they aren't doing anything bad, but then Cell wiping out cities getting stronger by the moment starts to up him as the big threat. But when it comes to the big bads in the Sayian Vegeta and Nappa always give you the impression until Goku gets there our heros are finished. In the Cell however there are times when Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks, and others shine to show Goku doesn't need to save the day which gives a feeling of security you haven't had in the series for a while. So while both rank very high for me I have to give Cell the edge of Sayian but just barely.
If I really had to make a choice bloody hell what a head ache,I would say the Saiyan saga without the filler and I'd say the Cell saga because there's so much going on and revelations even though the Saiyan arc had the best two revelations that Goku's an alien from a breed of fighting hungry people and Piccolo's reaction after he finds out he's from outer of space too and the philosophies of the higher rank versus the lower rank but I'm going to go with the Cell arc.
Toryama had better art in the Saiyan arc, and the anime had better animation, then as well
35 x 3 = 77 quick Geekdom maths
Cell saga is Dragon Ball at its prime.
I feel like you cant compare the two like the saiyan saga is an opening and the cell saga could be a closing
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Gohan's DNA was a part of cell!! Cell tells piccolo that when they first meet.
I love the Saiyan Saga, it's the first full saga I watched as a kid (though I got a taste of namek introducing me to the franchise) but the cell saga has more going on including the reverse cat and mouse game between Cell, the androids and the Z fighters.
Which are have you guys rewatched the most
saiyan saga for me is better. closer fights. more interesting.
Thanks!
Thank you for your generosity. I appreciate it.
@@LSMMIKE is it possible to review a video
Frieza saga is the correct answer. 💯
@jackymelinda7601the cat and mouse with 3 teams hunting the dragon balls. Vegeta gets more depth. Emergence of a super saijin. Ginyu force.
@@grecojones The scramble for the actual dragon balls was at its best there, more so even than in Dragon Ball ironically enough. The hunt was at its most serious there, the location of every one of them mattered at all times
Time travel stories will never make perfect sense. There will always be a plot hole in it
can you do a " Why can't Cell be a Good Guy" vid
Both, both is good
Everybody like the comment should he do a video on who would win in a fight gohan vs uub
You left out a key component of dragon ball - the training arcs. Goku training wirh king Kai is probably the best part of dbz when it comes to training. Second? Gohan and Piccolo training.
13:35 Not triple, just a little over double
Saiyan Saga has Kaioken Goku which is one of my favorite characters
And the Cell Saga was literally so avoidable, if Goku killed Dr Gero in db when he attacked the Red Ribbon Army
Or when Trunks WARNED THEM ABOUT THE ANDROIDS WHICH DUSTED HIS WHOLE TIMELINE and Goku could have literally asked Plot Device I mean Shenron to tp him to Dr Gero and kill him OR when Vegeta gave Cell a chance to absorb android 18 or if Trucks didnt absolutely D RIDE Sir Vegeta Thompson Walter Solmes Prince of all 4 Saiyans Giligan The Fourth to the moon and not want to "ruin his pride"
If i was Trunks i would go SSJ Grade Three and glady destroy Chromosomes brother Cell i would Masenko Cells perfect ahh out from existence and send him to the other dimension
I rest my case.
Or how about how Trunks came from the future and didn't know where Gero's Lab was. But Bulma was the 1 who knew where Gero's Lab was when Vegeta and everyone was looking for it lol
Both sagas are amazing, But for me the saiyan saga feels a lot more like a dragonball saga than dragonaball z. So it's incredibly difficult to choose between the two.
Saiyan saga is better.
Saiyan saga has way better story telling
Saiyan saga was original.
Android and Cell saga are basically Terminator but Manga
The saiyan saga is arguably the best arc in anime history, comparing it to cell isn’t even fair
Kami and piccolo fused would have smoked vegeta and nappa
Cell saga to me was the best saga in the series…
Cell was a compelling villain sophisticated yet ruthless..you see his ups and downs development etc also the androids showing a little human side
Character development Piccolo joining with Kami along with super saiyans..and the levels beyond a regular super saiyan…Trunks Vegeta Goku and seeing Gohan ascend to Super saiyan 2 and being the strongest of the group
Saiyan saga by far..killed off half the cast. Story is more coherent. Fight went down to the wire.
This a good one. The saiyan saga dropped the ball with Raditz. The Cell Saga was too complicated for itself.
I started watching in the Saiyan Saga. The fact that Goku chose to kill his own brother AND die in the process was just next level to me lol I remember the first time I watched, I did NOT expect Goku to die. I also did NOT expect Vegeta to live. I think for that the saiyan saga wins it for me.
Goku literally died for nothing in the Cell Saga. AFTER trunks came back in time to save his life. SS2 Gohan was a controlled rage Gohan, something we never saw to this point. Imagine Gohan getting enough power to kill Frieza in the Frieza Saga and NOT killing him…
For anyone that does not know andriod 17 and 18 are not andriods they are cyborgs.
My most to least favorite arcs
DBZ: Saiyan > Android > Buu > Namek
DBZ Kai: Namek > Android > Saiyan > Buu
Why does Kai make Namek saga go from worst to best?
@@cosmosofinfinity The pacing and fillers were awful in the original, and Kai fixed that. I enjoyed that arc the most overall.