Yea…employees switch companies. You can move from one company to another for the same role “payable clerk, CFO, Accountant” for better pay. The “payable clerk” for example is an “entry level” position but I can get someone else from another company that is looking for better pay.
Porque no los dos? With as long as the "Entry Level with 5 years of experience" thing has been going on, people on the other side of that system have probably found ways to exploit its existence; and thus see no reason to fix what isn't broken. (for them)
That's just inaccurate lmao. Sure, a generic startup does, but someone with "years of experience" would simply look somewhere else. I literally leveraged my current job with a different one to get a pay increase months back. The only reason why companies look for experience is due this always being a practice. If you didn't get experience "in college" for your degree, then you didn't properly do college. More importantly, if you don't even understand the source material of the job, why on Earth do you expect them to "train you"? Even more importantly -- If you have experience in the job being offered (AKA You have the job in the field you wish), and you see the listing for lower pay, why would you willingly apply for that job? The problem sits with peoples incapability of critical thinking here, but I'll lay it out for you: - Someone with adequate experience can get a higher paying job, they wouldn't go for a $15-20/hr job with experience - Entry Level professional jobs aren't looking for someone with "years of experience". They're looking for people that actually know how to do what's asked of them without training or without being micromanaged - If an employer wanted to take advantage of workers, why would they hire "new" instead of promoting low-wage worker at lateral pay and train them to do the higher-pay task in order to save money? I know critical thinking is lost in many now a days, but this explains why so many of you can't find a job in your respective fields.
I’m like 7 almost 8 months into post grad life. Have not found anything with college degree. Dunno what my parents were babblin about when saying it would help me get a job. 😢
To be fair, entry doesn't have to mean beginner. It can mean the qualifications to enter a position. But, it's true that the qualifications are overblown.
Irony is when a state of affairs is not only against what one would expect but is also poetically in mockery of it. You have done to irony what the millennials did to 'literally.'
Most jobs want the experience of a 50 year old, work ethic of a 70 year old, the health of a 30 year old, the energy of a 20 year old, but want to pay them a 16 year old salary
Im in my 30s. I remeber my dad, who is nearly 70, looked at me when I was 20 and told me, "You are never going to be able to do what I did, because companies have screwed you hard.
Welcome to the nepotism era where only rich kids will have the connections to get offered entry jobs. In the past, hard work could allow anyone to overcome simple upbringings but not anymore as you won’t get the chance to work hard to begin with
Yep Or even if it took a few months, you build someone up who will be loyal to you because they’ve been trained And that searching doesn’t have to continue
@@bornonthebattlefront4883Companies need to be legislatively forced to go back to old model of hiring and keeping their employees for years. Bring back company retirement funds as well.
The 1 million dollar question: If companies are so fancy about so-called “AI”, why don’t they use it to replace all managers, investors and shareholders? After all, what they do is all about mathematics, which every computer can do better and more efficiently than any human, and all the “AI” would have to do is to distribute the financial resources, it wouldn’t have to siphon off any share for itself which on top of that has to “magically” grow every year.
@@TheDeceptiveHero Because the managers, investors and shareholders are the ones who have stocks in "AI". They're not gonna fire THEMSELVES now, will they?
There was/no such thing as an “entry level job”. Companies are now looking for clerks who want better pay from their previous jobs. Encouraging lateral movement…just like every other job position. When will RUclipsrs stop calling it “entry level level jobs” is the question. But it gets the people going…
@@manoftomorrow5987When will companies stop lying and listing positions as entry level when they aren't? That's the actual question. If they're just trying to poach workers who are already in the industry and have years of skills then it's a lateral move, that isn't an entry point for anyone else. It "gets people going" because the bottom two thirds of the nation is constantly getting screwed over by this garbage system whether you're in the workforce or seeking employment. It's not a content creator's fault for just telling it like it is.
All entry level professional jobs require experience of some sort. Hell, I know for a fact that if I didn't get my A+ certification in 2011, I wouldn't have found my first IT job, and that was when I was in school. The notion that people think, literally, that "if it's entry level it shouldn't require experience" is absolutely bonkers. Are you seriously trying to say that your typical entry level jobs should teach you 12 months of basic course work you'd learn from college (rather, the "originally credit required" internship course) or other source material (such as certification)? Do you truly think that a Help Desk should sit there and train someone for 6 - 12 months on how to reset a Password or problem solve software issues? Hell no. That's why you went to school to begin with. The fact is that loads of schools, and especially students, aren't taking the initiative to actually obtain experience before applying. And some companies will actually accept that and will assume you'll "pick it up as you go", which comes to the proper solution for those looking for their first job: Apply within the first hour of it opening with a clean, simple resume with your course work and certification practices set as "Relative experience". Companies now, and before, and when I started, and even when my 70 year old mother worked in IT (in the 80's and 90's), and my 50 year old brother (who currently is a DBA) started in the 2000's. This hasn't changed. What's changed is the information provided to the students and those looking for work, which is "less information for how to apply" with "more applicants applying". When you increase the application pool, decrease the knowledge surrounding what grants hiring, you end up leading to this situation. Loads of people entirely not understanding how hiring practices work in professional service environments.
I make TV commercials for car dealerships and run a small videography/photography business on the side. The amount of times I've been told "I don't have enough experience" by HR departments is insaine to me. A good example is there is this wedding company looking for a videographer. They require you to have 2 years of experience in weddings only to even be looked at. I applied again and lied because I was curious and when I talked to them and asked how they expected me to get that experience they told me to find another company that would do it. These companies are just passing the responsibility onto someone else and then complaining that no one wants to work.
Absolutely right! I have somewhat similar experiences as you stated here and it’s unreal the expectations they have while largely having no idea what is needed to achieve the outcome
That's the trick I always see with any HR or overhead with no experience themselves: they gaslight you into thinking you're not qualified to do what they can't.
This is something I’m seeing a lot these days they really are creating a dystopian world by doing this… it is I believe already backfiring, but humans have this tendency of not learning from their mistakes, so they’ll keep enforcing this nonsense until things truly collapse. Maybe a shift is to expect to happen, with people refusing to be part of this nonsense and being freelance instead, but this entry-level with years of experience bs is not doing any good… what a clown society we live in…
I actually went on a tirade when an employer fed me that line about needing experience for an entry-level job. I told them, and I quote, "How am I supposed to get experience if I'm denied the job? I just can't wave a wand and magically have experience. It doesn't work that way."
@@nickl5658 AI is a symptom not the cause. The biggest problem is the boom and bust approach by the companies and job hopping by workers. Those 2 factors make any emplouee retention impossible: either workers will leave to get a same job but for better salary or the company will have to downsize in order to maximise the annual profit. So it makes no sense to invest in training.
The amount of incel's in these comments are insane. 1) HR was created originally as an intermediate between company and labor; They exist, essentially, for the same reason Unions exist: So people aren't taken advantage of by company/corporate exploitive practices. 2) HR, in most companies, is typically is more competent than the majority of people complaining of why they actually need to retain what they learned in order to obtain a job. 3) No, HR isn't "mostly run by AI", maybe at Mc Donalds or BK, but you're talking businesses that require Human's in order to be intermediates between capitalist profits and workers. They're legally there for the people, not "to save face". 4) People get fired in HR all the time, literally the major reason why people are fired in HR is doing the same practices the same mindset thinks "HR is responsible for". If someone is inaccurately telling people things to make the company more profit, or telling people things that go against their handbook or rights (AKA: Not being 'for the people), then they're probably going to be let go. 5) This is such a conservative mindset. 10 years ago it was "union workers were this this this this" now it's "HR workers are this this this this". At what point do we stop listening to corporate bs to "get rid of these here regulations" and start actually realizing what these are actually here for?
@@itsJoshW No HR is simply to cover your ass so that you are less likely to be sued for breaking labour laws. They're paid for by the company to serve the company and treat humans like resources and maximise profits and improve the bottom line. I would know I have my own company and employ a small HR department. Also starting with "incel" is just projection, Lisa in HR is going to sleep with you for waffling about how HR is for the people.
Don’t forget the cherry on top: Parents who see nothing wrong with this logic and think their kid is somehow responsible for not getting hired under these circumstances.
This....I have been looking for jobs and my parents just think I'm just lazy luckily they got to understand I just think parents really should listen to their child
@@MrPokoloco Parents can be complete morons, it's also why I abandoned mine. Long story short, I was looking for a job in 2014, had troubles, and they kept saying I wasn't trying hard enough, that I should ignore all of my free time and look for a job 24/7. Basically, don't sleep, don't eat, don't even have fun, use all that time to just get a job. And they wonder now why I never call them, or don't bother to do anything with them lol. Parents who can't even use a single brain cell shouldn't be parents to begin with.
And then you recall a company requiring 8 years of experience with code that existed for only 6. _Which was enough for that company to turn down the man who invented said code._
I've heard that a lot of companies don't actually want loyalty, because that means they'd have to give raises for staying long term, and it's cheaper to use people up until they realize they deserve better and then hire someone else at a lower rate...
@@saged1513 Constantly training new employees is more expensive than just paying a good employee a fair salary. When an employee is treated fairly they will have more goodwill for the company too which gives them more flexibility.
@@Noksusconstantly training new employees does cost a lot of money. Which is why they're constantly hunting people with more skills so they don't have to train them while avoiding raises.
It’s just so frustrating that the older generation says young people don’t wanna work than refuses to hire young people strictly because they’re young and haven’t had even the opportunity to be taught anything. It’s so horrible to think about
It's less that and more that modern young people lack alot of life skills that young people of previous generations had. The overdependence on technology and the prevalence of echo chambers have made people worse at things like team work, communication, problem solving, critical thinking, etc. And why I agree schools should try and do more to teach these subjects, ultimately alot of people turn their brains off to anything beyond getting through the classes when they go to school. Trying to teach someone something they are not interested in learning is a fruitless endeavor.
@@Ralathar44 Critical thinking and problem solving shouldn't be necessary for ENTRY level positions. You shouldn't need to be a genius or have a degree for basic positions. Even a monkey can be trained to run a train, why can't a human be trained to run a spreadsheet without a 4 year degree?
@@volatile100 They are not necessary, but you will be out-competed by anyone who has those soft skills + what is necessary because your job knows those skills means they don't have to spend near as much time and money training you up AND you'll also be far more likely to be promotion material later. If you aim at what's only necessary don't be surprised when you get outcompeted lol. Also for spreadsheets specifically stuff like Databasing is actually fairly simple BUT boring AF. Most people in databasing fail to make the cut for the 2nd reason. For other types of spreadsheets you need to be very detail oriented, organized, and diligent or you'll make alot of careless mistakes. Not only that but spreadsheeting starts super simple but with all the formulas and formatting and etc actually gets pretty complicated. I took some classes 20 years ago and it still surprised me how much more Microsoft Excel I know than the average person using it for a living lol. People have tried to promote me into documentation multiple times hahaha. I keep saying no.
@@Ralathar44 But thats failing to recognize the other half of that problem. Older generations use that for a metric, while younger generations don't. And like exactly how we got here, those older generations would rather neglect it than address it. Which is how Gen Alpha is going from iPad babies to Screenagers. And the grand irony to all of this is that this is exactly what a lot of companies wanted. Brain dead consumers, to which they can sell solutions and products to with little effort. And they only care NOW, because they've burnt up their resources, and don't have a work force to perpetuate it. And inline with the rest of their mentality, they're shifting the burden to squeeze out what they can out of their existing resources for short term gain, creating an even worse long term problem for themselves. I can sum up the entire comedy of errors that got us here with a phrase from one of the best shows from the 90s.... Dinosaurs. "Well that sounds like a 4th quarter problem. And we'll bomb that bridge when we come to." - JP Richfield
@@Ralathar44 With that mentality good luck getting talent and retaining it. At that rate Boomers are going to have to get dug up from their graves to get back into the workforce again because of the hubris of a spoiled, rotted generation that thinks they're better than those who are younger and talking about "life skills" while not being able to use critical thinking to solve easy problems involving technology. Believe it or not, when you go to school for a field you're interested in you actually have to solve problems to know how to use the theory you're taught (i.e: critical thinking), but I don't expect a spoiled generation like Boomers to even understand the concept.
It seems employers have employed the narcissistic abuse cycle as their primary mode. 1. Invite 2. Give false positive feedback 3. Accuse insufficiency 4. Discard
@@george825 Nope. A bad invite can ruin one's career, speaking from experience. Edit: Ok I read the intent of your comment incorrectly at first. I think we are both right in the sense that a good faith invite is very lucky, the wrong one can send you tumbling into the gutter. Yet another issue in the job market: employers are such a grab bag, there's no telling because there is no oversigjt or enforcement for workers who are not full employee or salary. I lost count of how many times I got injured or came near with no recourse or protection, was asked to do trade level work with no training and inadequate materials, then they just replace you with a temp.
Speaking of my company. I work as a software engineer in a small startup. 3 Months ago our CEO laid off 60% of our development team bringing numbers down to 2 citing financial reasons and those may be correct since the company hasn't been able to sell its products or launch stable products for the last 4 years. The issue is continuous and large changes suggested by our CEO(non-tech). Also after laying off employees our CEO still wants the development process to be quicker and products being developed just like Chinese sweatshops. No time given to understand existing issues, no help from managers, no time provided to learn new frameworks in which products are to be developed or maintained
Another explanation is that companies are NOT actually hiring but merely placing job ads to meet government requirements. They place an ad for a job with high requirements at minimum wage knowing full well that few will apply and even fewer will accept an offer. Its a way of being on a hiring freeze without making it official.
There should be laws to prevent this from happening.... Putting out absird offers and rejecting all the offers should be seen as a form of employement fraud and get ounished for a percentage of their sales figures. And also mwe should make sure that at least some get the job.
@@raylenn4444 I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I worry that such a company will make that new employee's job hell because they didn't want to hire them in the first place. It might hurt the workers more than it hurts the company. I'm not sure what to do about that part of the problem.
@@leyrua make it so companies have quotas to fill for employement, and they're free to not hire lore than the required quota. Quotas are all based upon merit of students, so as to prioritize the competent ones in these jobs.
@@raylenn4444 The laws are going to have to be pretty comprehensive. Can't give these companies ANY wiggle room, or they are going to set the wages below poverty level so that only the most desperate students apply. And then they will overwork those students since, if they were desperate enough to take a job with that low of a wage, they will be too desperate to leave.
False advertising should be made illegal. If a job description claims “work from home” but allows only one remote work day per week, it should be considered false advertising. Similarly, if a job is labeled as “entry level” but demands more than two years of experience, this should be deemed illegal. These deceptive practices clutter job search websites and exploit unsuspecting candidates by collecting their resume information under false pretenses.
Tell me about it. It’s why I keep seeing the same job postings over and over on websites such as Indeed. It doesn’t help to try other sites because they all share the same ads.
Part of what the video mentioned about problems of inefficiencies. Good points and concerns, but some things aren't working out. I wonder how hard it is if it was my job to get everything and everyone on the same page to function well on a societal level...
Why do you think so many Engineering Students join cooperative engineering programs? They don't care if they get underpaid, they don't care if they don't learn that much from working in a business. They can claim 3-5 years experience upon getting the degree. Problem solved.
Oh,I have experience... experience with not being chosen for a interview. And don't get me started on those lame assessment tests after applying for a job online!
@@azmodanpc For our company it is entry levels salary, 10 years of experience with 1000x productivity because our CEO believes in rolling out products every 2 months with highly understaffed organization. Also he has not been able to sell any products that we have made. All this rolling out because we provide a wide catalogue of products looks good on the portfolio website
Problem is the young inexperienced kids that were given a chance 60 years ago are now in charge and their ego is preventing them from granting the same courtesy. They forgot where they came from and firmly believe they were special when in reality the only difference is they were given a shot.
No. The sick truth is they know exactly where they came from and they think the world is exactly the same whilst complaining about how much everything has changed. They are the definition of insanity and these are the people in power, who should have let go decades ago, but they know they cannot survive if they do so they continue to amass more resources at the expense of the younger generations.
My dad, who just turned 60, told me how when he was in high school, the auto companies would set up tables there to recruit seniors to join the assembly lines. You could sign up at school and be working within weeks of graduation, with all of your training done on-the-job. A quick search reveals that in the 80s, these jobs, at least in my area, typically paid around $10/hr. That doesn’t sound like much, but it’s equivalent to a whopping $40 in today’s money. Nowadays, the HIGH end of the pay range for that same job is only around…$20. And yet my dad, who lived through that reality, still insists that it’s my fault I can’t find a job. When every job listing is either $13/hour for the most soul-sucking work possible, has 200 applicants, pays on commission rather than an actual salary, or just isn’t honest about how much experience they’re ACTUALLY looking for.
I work in the auto industry and it is still like this with the recruiting. They recruit lots of 18 year olds from highschool but the pay range starts at $19. If you stay for 6 months you will bump to 20, after a year 21. While not great it's at least something and you get hands on skills that you don't in other jobs so there's that too. A big part of why the relative pay is lower is that operator required skills are much lower now as there is more automation to make the job easier.
I think the entry level job situation is really just manufacturing consensus to justify outsourcing to India and China. What happens is the company keeps going with vacancies and eventually the people who already have jobs get overloaded and fall behind. Corporate either keeps the existing employees but contracts out the extra work, or worse the entire division is just sent to India.
@@hayuseen6683there's a trick to avoid that. Take the tougher jobs to pad the resume. Things like travel requirements are tough. You'll generally get better pay and gain valuable experience that looks good on a resume. I've got no degree and took on tougher jobs, got recognized by my coworkers and have been able to rise through the ranks through networking. Essentially, you take that shit job, work hard at it for a time, and then get recognized by others. Continue hopping around every 2-3 years until someone acknowledges your talents.
@@kabloosh699 When did you do this?? Im sorry but that simply does not happen. Employees are treated like oil in an engine, not even the gears. Something to just be used up and replaced. Youre just a number now.
@@kabloosh699 it's not a position where we can just "take tougher jobs" to get experience. I have a Master's in CS (4.0), published research, two years of experience, etc. and I cannot even get an interview with over 600 applications sent out. The problem is that we cannot get ANY jobs.
My experiences have been like this: 1. I've never been hired for my skills. 2. My college degree, which is supposed to substitute for experience to a certain extent, has not helped at all. 3. Companies don't like hiring outsiders, and instead promote from within. 4. I spent money on a college course to learn a skill that I could've been trained to do by the company for free.
I've actually experienced the opposite of number 3, the places I've worked at have exclusively hired for management and more experienced positions from outside of the company because promoting people from inside means they have to increase those people's rate of pay periodically and they would rather lay off and rehire those people at a lower rate rather than give them more money. Meanwhile they can exploit someone from outside who is not in contact with the internal crew.
@@Vanity0666 It's rather odd to promote to that position from outside the company. You'd think that most companies that hire outsiders would be the ones with high rates of turnover.
@@RavenclawFtW3295 They don't want to promote someone into a position above their former coworkers because that might cause interpersonal issues. Also, they always want a "fresh outside perspective" in leadership positions. But yeah, that does mean you always have a fresh new crop of executives, directors, and upper management who have no idea how the company works, who does what, the history or position within the industry etc. Because of that, they are all ineffective and get pushed through the revolving door and replaced again in a few months. Meanwhile you have the lower-ranked actual workers, some of whom have been there for 25 years, actually keeping the company running while asking each other "Hey, do you know who's in charge of us this week?" "No, maybe they'll tell us in next week's big company meeting." "Who's running the meeting?" "The new guy, probably."
It’s hilarious that their businesses have continued to run this long if you really look at it. They’re beating the breaks off every restaurant that pops up in my town 😂
this sounds about right. no one will take accountability, especially if they are personally unaffected, allowing this broken system to continue, rather than take two seconds to figure out how to do things right. all this while blaming the people who actually want a job.
@@CarlGerhardt1 From my experience with my dad, who is an H/R specialist and has been for decades, random people. He has admitted to me that he has no idea what makes a resume good though. Once one gets to him he can choose a reasonable candidate from what he's got but he has no idea what actually gets the things to him. He also believes that interviews are largely pointless and that his bosses put too much stock in them. He thinks that there should generally be one interview to make sure the candidate can show up and get some basic impressions on the candidate. He's mentioned that he really doesn't know what he would do to get a job in the modern job market and it bothers him, what with his job literally being the other side of that. Luckily for him he just transfers around different government departments. He knew what was happening 30 years ago. I don't think it is even his fault, it isn't like he's incompetent he's just also getting no training. The government and the companies don't want to train new workers and they don't want to train preexisting workers either, fucking over both sides of the equation including the people who should be doing the hiring.
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We really need a law that would ban requiring job experience for entry level jobs or limit to 1 year max. If you want experienced workers, remove word entry level from job listing.
Ah yes, that's exactly what we need. A law that allows people who have no idea what they're applying for, to get the job. Yeah, that'll fix the ability for you to get that job.
@@test-rj2vl Well let's take my field for example, I work in IT. I work with the App Implementation teams, but I'm going to refrain from my exact title. Worked in IT for 10+ years, closer to 15 but we're going to go with 10 to save face. If you want to get a job at the Help Desk of the location I work, here's some of the requirements: (and dutied) - Knowledge of Microsoft Windows & Microsoft Servers Required - Knowledge of MS Exchange preferred - Network experience preferred - Backup & Disaster Recovery Experience Preferred - Understanding of Active Directory Recommended - A+ Certification Preferred - Exceptional customer service knowledge and able to communicate - Able to document accurately - System Documentation for End User Aid - Installation of images and software - Technical support of network troubleshooting strongly preferred Experience: - Bachelors Degrees (or) Associates Degree (w/ 1 years experience) - Ability to Commute (_______) Notice real quick what the "experience" is? Yeah, that's the problem that we seem to have a barrier with here. The overwhelming majority of people "with degrees" have the experience, what they don't have is the above. Now here's a mid-level position, something like a "Software Engineer 1": (Just some, I don't feel like paraphrasing all of this) - Equivalent to the completion of four (4) years of college coursework in computer science of equivalant required - Work experience with monitoring and maintaining system operations required - Experience with implementing Software Patches and Updates to SaaS - Previous experience providing IT support in a 24-hour operational environment Required - Must be able to demonstrate proficiency in Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office - Must be able to demonstrate proficiency in Linux Based Operating Systems - Must be able to demonstrate proficiency in Android & iOS Experience: - Bachelors Degrees (w/ 2 years experience) or Associates Degree (w/ 4 years experience) - Experiencing working _______ environment - Advanced knowledge of C++, Basic, Javascript, SQL, Python, Java - Ability to Commute (_______) Notice how the "mid-level" position is still entry level, but you need to work from Point A to get to that Point B? Both are entry level, one is mid-level, the other is entry. Both require experience of some sort. If we were to, say, require no experience. It'll look something more like a Walmart application. I don't see it being feasibly possible to do that, honestly, but assume it was possible -- How on Earth would you say that is "better"? As far as your comment, I don't think you understand why certain jobs require experience, and I can't stress to you the importance of knowledge. Knowledge is experience. If you understand something enough to do it, in practice, that is experience.
I can agree with this. Outsourcing hiring is typically why so many can't find adequate employees or find people entirely out of scope of their field. Most hiring agencies don't care about relative experience, let alone knowing how to do the job. They look for someone within the basic keywords asked of the company for whatever is being hired, knowing so very little about the topic at hand, and then the company is left with only a few people that, otherwise, probably don't even meet the criteria. I think if anything, people "without experience" are more likely to find work by this process, but that also determines that people who get these people will be stuck with people unwilling to actually take initiative to improve themselves, thus it'll lead to those people being fired within the 90 day period, anyway. Loads of these comments on the video make me feel like they're the same people that "blame hr" for their inappropriate behavior, crazy absurd sexist or racial jokes, and crazy personality, and then claim HR is "legal for the company" rather than understanding what the entire point of Human Resources was for (which, like unions, was a 'for the workers' intention).
Its the unicorn issue They want a perfect employee that just is not common The people who have vast experince or good connections arent going to settle for a lesser paying job
Tribal One is a shit hiring agency. I had to apply through them to a bowling alley and got ghosted by both of them, contacted the recruiter like "??????" And they told me to call the bowling alley directly. If I had to do that in the first place, then what the fuck is the point of the hiring agency?
@itsJoshW My guy I must disagree since HR is not there to help employees for day but protect company reputation. Why when a employee notify to the HR that boss is doing something wrong or being abusive intead of helping you, they outright fire you qnd invent some excuses to do so. HR are not on the employee side.
4:46 "employers are unhappy that entry level employees don't have years of experience. so instead of deciding to pay people more for their experience, they raise the experience requirements for entry level jobs" wtf lmao
I've gone through both the realm of having too little and too much experience for entry level jobs. The first time I heard I knew too much it shocked me. Why would a company not want a person that checks all the boxes and might know more than the supervisor?
@@shinkyto >might know more than the supervisor< perhaps that's exactly the problem, they don't want to get humiliated by someone who's getting paid less than them lmao, they want people who just keep their head down and do as they're told
My favorite is being denied a position because of my lack of experience but being offered a much lower paying position only to end up doing the job i originally applied for at a much lower rate of pay than it was advertised to pay.
Literally happened to me. I was hired at a junior position when I applied for a senior position. Had the listed requirements, maybe just a year off on the experience. Should have at least been hired mid level
As a business consultant I can attest to the destructive reality that American businesses are their own worst enemy. Management is a low grade clown show.
The issue in that area is putting people in management roles when they are not ment to be management. Not everyone can be a leader and it's not a skill that can be trained it's a you either have it or you don't type of skill.
@@Jbig1430 basically companies keep promoting you until you’re not doing well enough to be promoted anymore, which leaves folks sitting at manager where the type of work changes dramatically from the “doing the work” style of the lower roles. There they languish, not being good enough to promote or bad enough to fire, existing as a meatshield between the higher-ups and the other workers.
As someone who has worked in the past with "consultants", I can attest that this field is entirely about ripping people off in order to maximize personal gain while taking advantage of the lack of critical thinking skills of people who were hired "without experience in the field they are suppose to represent (aka nepo)". I wouldn't say American Businesses are their own worst enemy with hiring practices. Prioritizing profits over the people? Sure, we can start there. But hiring practices? That's equally as dumb as hiring a consultant or consultant 'firm'. Nothing says "I am inexperienced, please take advantage of me" like that. I think a worse idea would be creating an entry-entry level hiring practice where now you pay the college grads (who didn't take the initiative) even lower to train them to do the basic work that others, who took initiative, in order to replace the higher-paid "experience" position. Because that's what America needs. More dumb people. "Merica".
They want to hire people with experience but nobody wants to bite the bullet and hire people to give them experience. It makes it so every year there's less people getting experience since nobody is getting hired.
It's absolute bullshit. I have a friend who's been trying to find a job for a few months now. I took him around and we just between the two of us. I helped him put in maybe 20-30 applications, we didn't get a single response, nothing, not even a no.
It's such bullshit because they don't even grant interviews to these people, they'd be able to see they're good candidates for the role and can easily be trained for whatever knowledge they lack
I love the tension that exists between: “We don’t want to train you, so please accrue experience elsewhere before applying.” And “These ungrateful, job-hopping employees don’t know what loyalty is anymore!”
When my daughter came home from college for the summer, she got a job at McDonald's. Having worked as a teenager in the late 1970's, I naively asked her about how she was doing at making friendships with the other students working there. She shocked me by telling me that she was the only college student there. All of the other workers were high school grads who had made fast-food their career. Those fast-food jobs were once entry level jobs, and the other workers would have been working at a factory in my generation.
In the 80s-90s McD was primarily a High-School job. A couple High-Schoolers had a "job" as a caddy at the Country Club, or had super connections for a job at the Mall, which paid at least double the minimum wage ($4). You might work at the Mall if you were in college, but most were career age in retail, 24-60 years old. Kids 15-19 worked at grocery stores and fast food (unless you had nepo connections). In these places you had Management and Maintenance people who were career. These people were paid well, and made up 10-20% of total staff. Point being things had already devolved when you say "high school grads" were stuck working at McDs as a "career". That was the management team in the 90s, including store manager. McDs had their own "Burger U" in Illinois where they sent managers for serious training, like 4-8 weeks of school. Those "high school grads" you reference were at one point hoping to become management of the McDonalds, as all the real jobs were being sent overseas. Later maybe it was just desperation, and that was what you saw. The term "entry level" did not apply to grocery stores or McDonalds (not sure if it even does now). That was "unskilled" labor. Entry level was a category of hiring into manufacturing primarily. Anywhere you have lots of people working, you can slice up the work and create this sort of position. People are advanced by their skill, and not paid much to start with, encouraging them to improve (or leave eventually). Its considered a fact that you don't know someone from interviews, unless that includes a work test (such as a welder). Just an opinion, but very little of the work that takes large crews, cannot be shipped to China for huge savings. Thus most jobs here are tight, small teams where every job requires someone competent, and there isn't spare work to even train someone with. We all know this from our own work today. The real "entry level" jobs left America in the 1990s. Now we need to "teach" employers the value of training again.
Yes. And your generation shipped those factories overseas and opened the border so that domestic factories are filled with illegal immigrants to the point where regular Americans don't even get interviewed for jobs there. Thanks for paying attention all those years Gen X and Boomers!
Companies themselves do that, try to go public or get bought out. Having a career at a business isn't so simple when short term returns and finance scams are the rule.
For millennia, the lives of regular people were hard but were also filed with meaning with their community, public and religious celebrations, feasts, and shared purpose in shared faith and culture.
Just found a job that requires 10 years of experience plus another 3 years of experience in another field and a college degree. Pays 17$ an hour. 13 years of professional experience for 17$ an hour of an insane ask.
Sounds like a teaching job. In all seriousness, that is a typical problem with some employers -- but that's par for the course. If you can't afford higher wage, but you need someone to do the job, at that point it's more charity work ("For the cause") rather than a typical "To make a living" job. It probably was something more aligned with the "I do this because I love the field not because I need the money." Quick note: Teachers, in most states in the US, are paid dirt while requiring Masters Degree in Education & sometimes a PHD. The largest problem with teachers, especially today, is the massive cuts to spending public schools are required to do since we simply do not spend enough on our education systems. This can be easily rectified by taxing the wealthy and increasing important parts of our political structure, rather than "providing the wealthy more money". The pun here was that teachers are typically paid that low, while requiring to take on massive mounds of debt.
@@itsJoshW My wife was a teacher (recently quit), and she would say 17$ is an amazing starting salary. I think she made 11$ an hour and moved up to 13$ before quiting. She has all the degrees and everything, too. Now she is a receptionist and makes way more. Teachers get treated poorly, unfortunately. The job I was looking at was in the tech field.
Go deliver pizza. You can make $15-20 in tips per hour, plus hourly wage plus mileage. At times, the driver makes $35 per hour. No experience required.
And it screws over the younger people. So many people have degrees but can’t get a job because the entry level at every place requires many years of experience. And then older generations have the audacity to call the younger generations lazy because they can’t get a decent entry level job. I have a friend who spent 3 years getting an engineering degree and he can’t get an entry level job because they require 5 years of experience. My dad was surprised when I said he had a degree and he was wondering why he wasn’t given an entry level position for his degree. They don’t understand how ridiculous it’s become. My mom was blown away when I said the same thing. I’m going to work towards getting a certificate for electrical work and there is a family friend who is willing to let me be an intern so I can get on the job training. If we weren’t family friends with him it would be near impossible for me.
Exactly. Any family or friend connections use them. I was always too prideful to ask for help. Even when are the ideal wishlist candidate, still use those connections. It’s like the old apprenticeship model with medieval politics. Should it be this way? Nope, but it often is.
Which is why colleges are the most overrated and traps people in debt. Thankfully I dodge the bullet. My family even told me to never go college because they never got the favorable job for years
Employers: Your resume is good, but we need you to have a lot of experience for this simple job that anyone with a day or two of training could do. You have none. People: How is a person supposed to get experience if no one will give us a chance? Employers: Not our problem.
It IS literally your problem! XD Evil ONLY brings in mroe suffering. NO ONE among the living benefits from it Also if you ran out of experienced people(which YOU WILL if you continue like this) you WILL RUN OUT. But then make sure to SHUT YOUR MOUTH about it
@@cosmicreef5858 Honestly, they say 3 years REQUIRED STRICTLY but then invite me for an interview knowing I am fresh out if highschool with nothing to my name. They are lying, which is even more frustrating cause literally why would you do that.
It’s definitely a problem, I’m an analyst and my firm recently had a job posting for an “entry level analyst.” Just for fun I looked through the job description and ‘necessary skills section.’ They wanted someone with a bachelors preferably masters with 3 years experience, which made no sense to me. Looking through the job description I said to myself: “I rarely if ever do half of the shit that we’re deeming ‘required knowledge’ on this application. And I’m a Junior analyst.” Later on I thought to myself: “You know, realistically I can probably take a bright kid out of high school, train him for 4-6 months, and get him to do my job.” Granted they’d have a TON to learn, but if they really put in the effort I think a recently graduated high schooler could do it. I think all the extra fluff companies put in their job openings is to hire experienced workers for minimal pay. I feel really bad for this new generation of college grads you guys are getting scammed imo.
I've been volunteering at a nonprofit. I look at the executive director and keep thinking, "I can pluck a bright-eyed high school or college kid, help them troubleshoot situations as they come up, and that kid could be a good executive director in a few months." Probably not true in other nonprofits, but for this small one, I think it'd work. The current director seems like she hasn't had a regular job before. Knows how to do solo, short-term tasks, but no real ability to manage or coordinate with people on a level that you learn even just in school group work or your first couple of jobs. Turned out she has an MA in administration and spent 15 years working in nonprofits. Goes to show how much having a rigid personality can make your qualifications pointless and an eager personality with little experience is a good alternative.
I'd love to get the chance to learn a godam life skill, but if you step one toe into service jobs suddenly it's the only job people think you can do. It's rough out here... Speaking as a 29yo with a bachelor's in Horticulture, who's had my degree for years and gotten no jobs in the field despite trying and trying then moving to WA foe more opportunity for working in my Field.
The only reason it says "entry level" is because they want to hire you at well below what you're worth. Or they want to make it seem like they're hiring, usually in an attempt to give disillusioned workers hope as well as make the company look better to stock holders.
That's just not even remotely accurate -- it's the opposite. They would legitimately prefer someone with experience already getting paid that wage so they don't need to spend tens of thousands to fire that person 3 months later because they couldn't do the job appropriately. They would rather "pay a little more" to get someone experienced in the door. And that doesn't mean they wouldn't take the person with no experience but schooling -- it just means the person with "no experience and schooling" should actually know what they're applying for -- judging by these comments, they literally have no idea what they're applying for. Hell, a number of 'programmers' here think they can bypass help desk work and go "straight to coding" as if a person graduating from culinary school will skip by becoming a Sous Chef while never having experience in a kitchen.
@@itsJoshWNo need arguing with you when you're THIS objectively wrong. As much as you don't wanna believe this or wanna ignore it, companies ARE as scummy as people here are saying they are, and they will exploit everything they can in a way that doesn't get them in legal trouble. That's just how the world is buddy, sorry
@@itsJoshW "They would legitimately prefer someone with experience already getting paid that wage" They have to pay a lot more though mate, not the same.
My grandpa was a college drop out and got an entry level position at JCPenny. ButJCPenny wanted mangers for their stores and warehouses, and was willing to promote people from those entry level positions. Today he is retired and had a fulfilling career as a JCPenny manger. Times have definitely changed, this video reflects that.
I’m at a point in my job search that is extremely frustrating: I have all the experience they claim to want, but I still can’t land a job. The real jobs are either lowballing immediately or they pretend to have a high starting pay and then immediately tell you during the interview that the “starting pay” is actually much lower and you won’t get what was promised. I’m sick of it.
Same (I also meet or exceed all the expected experience req's). I've sent out 15x more applications in the past seven months than I ever have the rest of my entire life combined. Two callbacks in month one, they picked someone else, but it gave me false hope that I'd have more success in the following weeks. Since then I've received two "thank you for your interest but we've filled the position" emails. The rest went completely unanswered. Funny thing though: the number of scam calls and texts I receive has increased exponentially. And more often than not, they're from scammers claiming to be recruiting. I wonder exactly how many hours I've wasted giving out my contact information to data-miners through fake job listings?
I feel you. I spent thousands on a degree in 2007 and been struggling trying to get my foot in the door ever since. Best way of breaking into the industry is by who you know.
As a former CS prof, I began teaching the career application process with my students as freshmen, not juniors or seniors. Nor did I leave it to the "Career Services Department". I talked to them about how to write a resume, how to dress, how to talk, etc. In addition, our department had an advisory board made up with the major IT companies in our area who told us what they were looking for . We invited these companies to come speak to a class once a semester as to why our students would want to work at the company, and each student had to bring a resume to attend. As such, I had students being hired directly into these companies as paid interns after their freshman year. Too often, profs think their job is over at the end of class or it's someone else's job to prepare the students. But if your students aren't being hired, why are they attending your college?
I was so grateful to hear this comment! This is proof there are “helpers” as Mr Rogers’ would say. Thank you for what you do and for helping so many young minds. You provide more good than I’m sure you’ve ever gotten credit for
@@DamonCassidy This professor is so much better than my phlebotomy class. They auto-emailed me a link to indeed nine months post-certification and said, ‘here’s some extra resources!’ I had already been scouring indeed for months. Every entry-level position required one year of acute care experience, preferred 2-5, and paid minimum. One place even required that the applicant be a phlebotomist, nurse, and clinical lab scientist all in one, for the low price of $39/hr. I applied anyway. No answers. So when that link came, and they asked how I was doing, I yelled that I AM NOT DOING WELL AT ALL. I AM VERY POOR AND NO ONE IS HIRING. I should add, I have a year of experience in the medical field, two biology degrees, post-grad clinical lab training, and several certificates for first aid, life support, etc. Nothing I do is ever good enough.
The school I graduated from has long posted job placement results and salary for all fields of study, including summer students. If a university is not posting what their graduates are getting paid and what percentage have jobs after graduating they are hiding their head in the sand.
When I retired I tried to get a job at a hardware store. I tried applying at every store around me, but nobody would hire me because I didn’t have retail experience. But I have re-plumbed, rewired and remodeled my last home, I knew my way around hardware and building supplies. 🤷🏻 I was just dumbfounded.
Your real problem: You aren't personable and you lack the ability to relearn what you said. I have replumbed, rewired, and remodeled my current home. and did the hvac, ran network drops vapor barrier, drywalled, tiled and hardwood floored, created my own tile shower, built my own cabinets, did siding and roofing, and repaired concrete and poured an entirely new driveway. I also laid the foundation for my 2 car garage that houses my heavily modified Nissan. And I work in IT, not even remotely those career paths. I wouldn't put any of those on my resume for working at Walmart, let alone my current IT job. None of that is relevant. What's relevant for what you're, most likely applying for, is "Hello, how can I help you today". If you are incapable of doing such a simple task, the problem is "you" and your demeaner, or more likely, your age. Unless you answered "Punch him in the face" to the question "How do you handle a disgruntled employee", it's nearly impossible to not get a retail job. My felon sister has gotten retail jobs, and she's literally almost un-hirable.
The worst part is really what they want is a stocker. Not someone that buys the material, gets licensed, bonded, and does the job. Customers want this option, but the retailer is going to be totally against an employee contracting themselves for this purpose. The word of mouth from this shall lead to more customers, and more sales. What the retailer is going to base their decision on is some percieved liability that your going to handle anyways.
My girl(29) has had a job since she was 15, BS Electrical Engineering, knows how to code in multiple coding languages, and has 2 years of unpaid professional experience. We have been looking for her a job for about a year as programer/developer(in any industry) and have yet to get a single job interview... Now it's time to start paying student loans, but there are no positions that even let her interview that has a salary compared to what she already makes as a bartender. The job market is an absolute nightmare...
Just bullshit your way through the experience part. They want bullshit requirements, they are gonna get bullshit answers. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Use friends as references. If companies want to do this cutthroat bs and treat workers as disposable, it's our responsibility as workers to do the same.
There is one minor reason as well: this really took off after 2008 specifically and you know what happened in 2008? We had a recession meaning there were now a lot of overqualified people out of work trying to apply to entry level jobs and companies showed favor for these applicants both because of employees needing little to no training but also because companies often found older applicants more agreeable personality wise; less likely to be disruptive, often having similar political values, less likely to rock the boat, etc. So companies started ramping up these requirements in order to filter out people with little to no experience.
2008 was when I first started looking for a job while in high school. I remember reading postings for dishwashers requiring 3 years of experience. Most of my jobs Ive gotten through knowing someone or meeting face to face to try and bypass the system.
And the shadows of the boomers continues to be felt to this day... because who was in charge leading up to that recession... boomers..... and who were the overqualified individuals being sought after with similar values.....BOOMERS!😂
@@Not-Apsounds like you've identified the secret. Imatate how boomers act, dress, and think. It would explain why the successful gen z i incounter try to look really old! 😅
@@KzaksI mean if you dress professional and act professional you will be treated like one, if you dress like the modern gen z does you will get no respect. That’s how it’s always been gen z just hasn’t been picking up. They are trying to implement their way of life into the work force and no one is going to put up with that.
The 2008 recession was caused by corrupt banking practices . . . Not by a generation of people. Anyway, the problem for most jobseekers today is the willingness of HR to outsource these positions.
Ngl it doesn't surprise me how bad its is given it took me 11 MONTHS to find an entry level job when I moved out, up to the point that the job bureau I applied to (to help find me a job due to nothing getting back to me); had kept asking me why I wasn't able to get a job despite being qualified for the hundreds of applications I applied for
This is going to cause massive brain drain over time. If you only ever hire people who are already trained, and so does everyone else eventually you will run out of qualified people and then having zero experience the people will have to learn from step 1 when you could previously mentored them so they're several steps ahead.
This has started happening in the machining industry in the US wherein there's a huge cohort of Boomers reaching retirement age. It's largely due to offshoring and automation gradually reducing the number of machinists that the industry required, leading to a paucity of entry level positions and a loss of apprenticing opportunities.
I'm losing brain cells reading some of these comments. 1) Your "training" is college/university & certifications. 2) Your "training" for entry level professional jobs is knowing basic understanding of the career you're applying for 3) Your "training" shouldn't be supplied by an employer, that's like insinuating that a person working help desk should have a trainer for 6 months to teach them how to reset a Windows password because they never used a computer before until then. The problem exists where people simply don't want to learn the required material before applying for a professional job, and then expect everyone to "teach them", for months on end, for how to do basic simple things they should have learned for 4+ years in University + the certifications expected of them to obtain. Instead, who is complaining is the typical worker who blames everyone else for their failure in life, while they ride their middle-class parents income to failure.
@@spankeyfish I'm not even going to touch how that is not a professional "entry level" jobset, nor is that a job that requires schooling. That's the same type of job as a Drywaller. Not every job is trained that way, nor is every job equally as unique to the company at hand. I know first hand that machining can range anywhere from hand-tooling all the way to using a CNC. Your typical entry level professional job, let's say Human Resources, isn't going to "range". It's going to be basic foundational information you learned through schooling, and either it's a "failure of the school" or "failure of the student" for not understanding this source material. Particularly, my field (IT), About a decade ago I worked with someone who didn't know what an "ethernet cable" was (pronounced it ether - net) and had a bachelors in computer sciences. He couldn't figure out how to open Task Manager, nor did he know what a "Service" was. But he could write code in C++. And that's the failure of schooling -- Where you teach someone only a small portion of what is important for the job field, you focus on this small segment of the workforce, and you insinuate "it's the only thing that matters" to the students, of which then the employers view these people as unemployable because they simply do not know the source material being asked of them. They don't know how to do basic tasks, they don't know how to do basic parts of the job, and they cannot "learn on the fly" because they haven't shown the potential of doing this from the resume, nor potential screening or interview. The problem exists where half the people applying for the entry level jobs, either do not have experience understanding the basic foundation of the job being asked (aka, what schooling and certifications were suppose to do), and then they blame the employers for having "too high of an expectation" while they demand everyone to dumb down everything to catch them up to speed, something they failed to do while spending loads of money doing so (and still refusing to do). And the other half is afraid of failure and simply got rejected to one job and now is an incel to the work culture they applied for, and blames every employer/hiring manager/worker for being rejected to one job, rather than realizing that they applied to a posting that was months old and already filled within 1 week of the job being posted. Your highest success chances are applying within the first hour of the job posting, knowing the material you're being asked of for the job you're applying for (hence experience, schooling is relevant experience), and knowing how to appropriately tackle the task at hand. But most employers would literally take someone with no schooling, but knows exactly how to do the job, over someone who completed a Bachelors who hasn't retained a single thing they learned in university.
@@itsJoshW Sure you can have that stance, just you have to acknowledge that stance has consequences that will be pair for eventually. It's like deferring maintenance indefinitely, you save some money in the short term but in the long term you're likely to encounter a far more expensive disaster.
@@itsJoshWyou’re dreaming if you think that a college degree is enough to get by in many fields in the modern day. Also, it was perfectly normal to be trained by employers in the past.
Im overqualified for my entry level welding job, $23ph doing the easiest shit i ever done in my life. no prep no fabrication no heavy lifting just welding. A highschool kid could do it yet they demand at least 5 years experience.
tbf welding has a decently high risk factor associated with it. The higher wage is to offset that risk, and the 5 year experience is to demand safety more than anything. It is still ludicrous that they could instead mandate a safety procedures examination, but instead assume that someone working for 5 years will do good.
I'm forklift operator and every warehous in area I work in needs operators but problem is that all of them are looking only for people with experience as operators (2-5 years), so people are just jumping from one warehouse to another one across the street. And of course all of them are willing to pay only slightly over minimal wage and give some really low monthly bonus (and if rumors are true most people in most warehouses aren't even getting them because they are cut for some small mistakes).
@@kadarak1 its the same in my region of California, standard is $2 above min wage and you accidentally knock over a pallet of materials or tap a shelf? Too bad fired, next person.
*> offers salaries 50% below market rate* *> makes applicants go through 4 interviews* *> HR never follows up* Companies: nO 0Ne wAntS to WoRk aNym0Re!!!1!!!! 😭😭😭😭
I work in manufacturing and know this problem very well. Employers don't want to hire young people without experience and train them on the job, and then complain that no one wants to work. Yes, guys over 45 with years of experience and a laundry list of skills don't want your low paying "entry level" job. This is ridiculous! Until recently, I was the youngest employee in our company, I am 46, and our maintenance guy is 67 years old! We now have a new owner and new management and have finally hired 3 people ranging in age from nineteen to early twenties and started training them. This is an improvement, but the absolute majority of our employees are still well over forty. We don't have enough trained people to replace our retirees.
this is actually scary for the future. These jobs are really important but we are going to have a gap in workers which will put us behind other countries that don't have our weird hiring practices. There is going to be a lot of lost knowledge in that gap.
A company that is trying to go out of business. I walked out with 20+ years of specialized knowledge that my employer can’t replace, as it required in-depth knowledge of the algorithms of a 50k+ line program plus advanced PhD level knowledge in the field. I learned from the original developer and long time maintainer of that program. After 20+ years being at the same level and bypassed by all the young kids it was obvious management couldn’t understand the value of knowledge and skills so I left. Within one year they had a problem that they couldn’t solve.
@trivalentclan-mizar9591 Unfortunately, our company is not the exception, but rather the rule. Many employers don't want to bother training young people without prior experience while experienced workers are getting closer and closer to the retirement age. During COVID, we almost went under, not because of COVID restrictions, but because four of our old employees decided it was the right time to retire. We couldn't find anyone to replace them. We only survived because the other employees had years of experience and were trained to do multiple jobs.We had a lot of overtime, much more than we wanted, and we have a new management now, but we survived.
I was just thinking about this, if companies are refusing to hire ppl in their early to mid 20s what are they gonna do when they need to replace those who retire and the ppl who are still working there need help lmaooo
It's a systemic crisis: hopping jobs in the fastest way to start earning more. Therefore all decent workers will leave your company in few years leaving you at loss. We need a whole cultural shift.
How do you train someone work that they should have been trained on during their 4 year college degree & 1+ year of certification that they did not do properly? Lol. Yeah, that's the solution. Pay entry-level even lower, spend more money on "trainers" to teach people the work they should have learned before applying to the jobs. Good solution. They don't need to train employees. The people applying for the job should know the material that is being asked for the job in question...or maybe we reform the University to not just be cheaper, more affordable and not profit-driven, but also teach students how to actually do the work? Potentially with, idk maybe this little thing that used to be required called "internship"? Or maybe we should consider, idk just spitballing here, providing certifications at local colleges such that people have no excuse to have "no experience"?
@@itsJoshWI see people say what you do but different industries and sub industries have greatly varying requirements, customers and technology requirements. For example let's say I study engineering. I could go to school studying FPGAs, network and protocol theory, high power systems etc.. They require a different set of sharpened skills even though at the core they are based on fundamental electrical physics. So in school we learn fundamentals and some applications. The job is required to teach you what is needed for their customers etc... Believe it or not the more advanced and varied a field is the more on the job training is needed because there are more possibilities as to how the work is done to fit certain niches. No school can give you that. It can only enable you to learn fast and have the prerequisites to pick things up. Think algebra before calculus.
As a Boomer worker, i wish to apologize on behalf of our generation for the greedy corporations run by boomers. Don't resent the workers who had nothing to do with the greed at the top. The generations after us got a raw deal.
It's not just greed but stupidity too. Companies lose profits over this hiring madness as well. For some reason most of managers don't understand that most time and money dedicated to hiring shall be spent within the company: to investigate which kind of skillset do we actually need, instead of pestering candidates with BS interviews for hours. No one needs a worker who knows how to answer "how do you see yourself in 5 years?" perfectly, business needs a person to solve a specific problem.
Hey @CundaliniWantsHisHandBack, As someone of personal agency who made your own decisions, I think it's fair to say you aren't responsible for the world as it turned out, only the part you played. My generation is not better than yours, we simply have a different environment to contend with. Still, thanks for your sympathy. It's comforting! :D
I don't blame any person for doing things to benefit themselves and their families. I only get angry when those people who got the advantages turn around and make fun of those who didn't.
even if you make it past the filter, they just don't read the resume. They scan over looking for keywords for literally less than 10 seconds and base everything on that. It's absurd
@@UltLuigi1 Honestly, they were probably hired onto the job by someone who scanned over their resume for less than 10 seconds looking for keywords and based their hiring decision on that.
You can use that to your advantage it by using the key words in the job posting itself. Just figure out a way to insert them in a sentence that applies to you. You don't have to use all of them. Or the other way is to use AI to write the application using the keywords. 😂 Then it's just AI reading AI made applications
Worse - I've gotten in convos with people that will barely read resumes (their job) and then blame the applicant for the formatting or some other BS for why they didn't do their job.
I remember I saw a video on this! The RUclipsr was Jerry Lee, and he did this video where he hired recruiters to look over dummy resumes while secretly recording their eye movements with a tracking program. It showed that most recruiters spend an average of seven seconds max looking at each resume, and it's usually just a quick skim of your name and the list of jobs you've worked in the past.
The one problem I have with this video: The problems you describe have been going on for close to 20 years. And I sincerely doubt that scale of failure can be attributed to "just a few inexperienced people in a few sectors."
He points out the problems wonderfully in the video, but then proceeds to undersell the impact of the corporation and oversell the responsibility of the individual.
A lot of liberal critics of capitalism fail to see the flaws of capitalism, he can't see a solution to his problem because to him the problem isn't the economic model, but the people using it. As such, he can't recommend a political change or government regulation that will address these issues. Companies are encouraged to make a profit at the expense of many things, including nurturing the next generations of workers. Sure its more profitable long term to have skilled workers but its more profitable short term to refuse mentoring the current inexperienced pool of workers to just chase people who already know what to do.
@@PropagandaConsoomer He is overselling the responsibility of the individual because it is the only meaningful way you as an individual can get your chances up.
@user-jc2ng2xd9n It's supposed to encourage students to go out into the world 🌎 and Conquer their dreams. 😂 Someone dreams of flying and invented airplane ✈️ Someone dreams of going to the moon 🌙 and invented rockets 🚀 Someone dreams of being a high quality chef 👩🍳 and makes a 5 star restaurant. This is what it means. I encourage you to do likewise. Dreams can come true 👍 and we all benefit.
It's not any better if you have experience but no degree. I managed to get a job at a company though a personal connection as a software dev. I'm self taught, I don't have a degree in anything. I held that job for 5 years before I was laid off due to cut backs. No company will even glance at me because I don't have a degree.... even though I've been doing the job for 5 years already and won't need to be taught how to do basic things like a college grad would.
I love applying to tech jobs and seeing that they require 5+ years of experience in a technology/software that hasn’t existed for more than 1-2 years. For entry level jobs. 🙄
The requirements for ANY “entry level” job should be: 1. Can speak, read, and write in fluent (insert language of locality here). 2. Can perform basic math (add, subtract, multiply, and divide) WITHOUT A CALCULATOR. 3. Will show up on time and actually work.
Cool, those jobs exist. It's called not "professional entry level". Your typical retail, hospitality, plumbing, electricians, drywallers, construction workers, etc. My 27 year old Niece just got a job at Target where they literally asked her simple questions, like "What do you do if someone gets an attitude with you" and the multiple choice selection had 3 obviously wrong answers and one "You politely call over a manager to deal with it". It also asked if they can read fluent english, write fluently, perform basic math skills, and show up on time and do work. That's not "entry level", that's just a basic job.
@@itsJoshW What with all the hoopla people are talking about with trying to get into white collar professional jobs these days, at least those non-retail trades are looking better and better every day. Not GREAT pay, but not bad either from what I hear. (And if you can't even get into "entry-level" for the white collar jobs, what's the point?) I wonder if they put you through the same nonsense to become an apprentice in blue collar work?
@@ebinrock I'll be blunt with you - "Non-Skilled Labor" (Hate that term), is retail, fast food, etc; These jobs only require you to at least somewhat comprehend English, expect you to do basic math, and expect you to come up/show up to wok each day. - The only requirement for getting the job is answering 20-questions that are basic morality, such as "would you steal if given the chance" or "if someone yelled at you, do you respond by a. politely calling a manager, b. punching them in the face". - These jobs are easy to get, and "not getting it" symbolizes you're incapability of being a generic normal Human being, or applying to something that should have been closed since they already filled the position (applying too late) "Skilled" Labor (Hate this term), or basic Trades jobs (Plumbing, Electrical, Carpentry, Tiler, Drywaller, Laborer; Facilities workers, Construction workers, etc) expect you to understand basic math, understand some English, show up to work each day, and come prepared with basic tools and appropriate clothing. - The only requirement is applying and taking the time to learn the trade - There are stupid requirements to get into Unions for some of them, which provide far more benefits - Potential of upward pay faster, but you're capped at still lower pay, like 80k max typical - Schooling/education is required to advance further beyond this cap "Educated" Labor, or "Entry Level Professional Jobs", require you first to understand the basis of the job you're applying for, or the basic foundation of the career path in order to get the job. This includes having at minimum "either" Schooling (2-4+ years) with certifications and experience from Internship (requirement for schooling usually), or equal experience to this schooling. With, in addition, an understanding of the topics from that job in particular. - The requirements are loose but confined, at the very least, to where the employer isn't spending months training someone that, otherwise, was trained - Expects the employee applying to apply themselves to move upwards either in the company or the career path, expects the employee to use this as a temporary job to step up - Schooling/Education was not mandatory, but some form of experience was, which includes schooling, of which this particular job is not designed to pay a lot but is designed as a stepping stone to jobs that pay more. In IT at least, the reason why so many people misunderstand this is because they see stupid job listings for $80,000 for "Software Engineer I" and think "omg wow entry level" and see +5 years experience, while they bypass over "Help Desk" which also requires "Either schooling or 2+ years of equivalant experience" which may pay $19/hr, or 35-40k a year. And they don't understand basic IT work, as they focused almost all of their time doing "programming" (not realizing that programs interact with systems administration, network administration, software implementation teams, database teams, deployment teams, etc) and are entirely left dry on both accounts. Then they "blame everyone else" for them hyper-focusing rather than realizing it's a byproduct of them not understanding the field since the schools did a sh** job doing that, too.
These jobs do exist, and they actually make number 1 and 2 optional. The problem with those jobs is they are literally nothing jobs that don't lead anywhere. Fast food, retail, call centers, sales, customer service. The problem is, if you work in one of these for years while going to school to get a degree in what you want to actually do (like my parents told me to do), none of that work experience means anything. It's just clutter on your resume and it's probably better just to leave it off. There's no more of the "Work your way up from the bottom". You can't come in as the janitor and work your way out of being the janitor. One of newer companies I worked for had a policy that employees do not get promotions out of their field. You get to be a Worker 1, 2, 3 or Worker Sr. If you want to be more than that go somewhere else because they physically did not allow you to switch or get trained to be something else.
It's especially heinous when they could just train someone that studied in their field for a couple of weeks (likely less), and they would be able to do 80%-90% of the role within a few months(likely less). They get the perfect employee, and the job seeker gets to have a job to live and grow. But they want to suppress wages and squeeze all of the juice out of a dying, dry lemon.
Exactly. They don't want human beings with thoughts and feelings, they want robots that perfectly do whatever their corporate overlords tell them to with no benefit to themselves.
@@Youhadabadday2021school was invented to mold children into good little workers. Look up the rockafellers book on the american schooling system he litteraly says this. And it hasnt changed atall. What has changed is gen z and some millennials are so fed up with the bs that we have been the first generation to actually see due to the internet and most of us refuse to die workint
I think the biggest tell with today's job market is that if you aren't already in a clique or able to benefit from networking or nepotism, you're not even a dime a dozen. Only question is if anything will make that change or if we'll see the rise of an even bigger gig economy where only higher-tier people move onward and upward while everyone else is given less because they often aren't in a position to ask for more.
Took me 9 months to get hired on as a substitute teacher in my city. A friend was offered a full time contract the day she graduated, from her old high school. It's 10000% nepotism.
"if you aren't already in a clique or able to benefit from networking or nepotism, you're not even a dime a dozen" That's just not a thing. Sure, it is if you're super wealthy, but if you're not super wealthy and are working (as a typical worker), finding an entry level job is as easy as clicking apply on Indeed, ZipRecruiter or Monster. It's not like it's rocket science to apply to the job, the issue truly is "after" and "what" you're applying for. Reading the couple hundred or so comments thus far, almost everyone thinks that mid-level is "entry level" and that they are entitled to entirely bypassing entry level, and that "mid level & entry level should train you to do the job", entirely dismissing the point of why they went 4+ years to school, went through a required internship, etc. That being said, the number 1 actual idea of "how to get a job fast" is to be one of the first few dozen to apply, and have a concise, simple and easy-to-read resume that isn't bloated or graphically overwhelming. It would bullet point the, predominantly, "Relevant Experience" that was provided to you via Schooling & Internships or relative experience learning through certifications, etc. That being said, "networking" is almost as useless as saying "I need a linkedin". None of these are relevant, my own linkedin is a troll account that I have never been asked about (Literally) and I've never once used "networking" in my 10+ years in IT, to find a job. The "networking" aspect is predominantly for investment/wealthier individuals looking for others to gamble their money, rather than typical normal people looking for work. (no offense, but this is something so many people don't understand: Investors care about networking, regular people do not have millions of play-money). Moreover, finding a job through "networking", especially as a typical normal person (networking with other typical normal people), you're more likely to find people looking to exploit your experience, knowledge, or understanding for financial gain, or in many cases, simply will not hire you "just because" they know you. "if we'll see the rise of an even bigger gig economy where only higher-tier people move onward and upward while everyone else is given less because they often aren't in a position to ask for more." Well, "gig" economy is effectively the exploitative economy. This sort of work exists for the idea that people need additional work in order for their life to stay afloat living in areas with high living costs. People who work standard gig-economy jobs don't choose to work 3 jobs "because it'll make them successful", they are required to in order to live in the area they so choose to, and maintain a lifestyle they so choose to. That being said, this isn't to say that we won' see a potential rise in entertainment industry, like we already have in the past 5 years -- with Twitch, RUclips, and various adult-oriented entertainment sites, many have turned to alternative methods of income in order to obtain success. That is the discrepancy, however, as if there's 100 people to do this, I'd argue less than 10 actually can live off it independent from a job within a year. Many forget that the numerous large names you see in the Gaming industry today were "doing what they did" for over 10 years as a second job before hitting success, and many lump this into "gig economy" without acknowledging how many people work for Uber, or a delivery agency, or do hustle-work in order to just make the months rent. That directly being said, that isn't professional work. That's non-professional services or engineering to which the person is obtaining a basic task that is taught and repeating it for the sake of the job. In the premise of "professional entry level", the reason so many can't getting it, especially of the current younger generation, is due to the failure of the universities teaching appropriate classes/course for the work (of entry level), and a cloud around getting into each career path from the start. People, before the recent years, learned through Trial & Error, and today there is minimal room for "trial & error" since hundreds of people are applying for these jobs. - Know the required source material to obtain the entry level job, via schooling, certification, and relative internship from schooling (or previous entry level job) - Apply within hours of job opening to increase chances of Interview - Learn how to adjust your resume to be concise, straight forward, and bullet point driven around your knowledge & skills - Apply for every entry-level position, not just "6 because it's just so hard". Just click apply to hundreds. And don't stop until you accepted an offer. It's that simple. And the problem is an entire generation of younger adults just aren't doing that because they aren't taught things that were, before, taught through trial and error -- something that we don't have today, as we removed many of this practice in order to streamline hiring. The issue 'people' appear to have is that they aren't 'experienced enough', meanwhile they either never went to school (for the job being applied for), never actually learned the material (for the job they applied for), or don't want to put in the effort to actually succeed because failure is the first step to success, and they can't accept failure.
Its going to get much worse wich is going to lead to more violence as resources become impossible to get and people begin a purge of thier own when the vessel can't contain the pressure anymore more likely through some type of civil war since people are so devided against each other from all the social programming being done through all media
17:36 former recruiter here. Coming from a Fortune 500 investment firm and computer engineering recruiting. We used an ATS called Oracle, all of the job postings were handwritten and the resumes were manually reviewed by hand, we would only skip resumes that ignored the clear instructions for resume structure. From there, for engineering recruiting, if their resume had the bare minimum requirement for skill/education, we’d complete a technical skills interview, where the interviewer would provide them a task and a time limit to code in their language of choice (that fit the role) and from there they’d make assessments and decide whether the candidate would get full interviews. A lot was correct here, especially now that more roles are being written by generative learning models and people try to innovate with this half baked system into modern workforces because it allows companies to cut jobs, but I also think this “ai” integration is going to be stopped by any company with sense, as clearly it’s been hindering the process
It is scary to think that algorithms and AI are now in control of whether you will be able to find work to survive. I guess that is one silver lining regarding being 67 now. I don’t have to play that game.
It's already tough enough trying to navigate this now at 27. I can't imagine what it'll be like when my now 3 month old son is my age. I hope we figure this all out, for the sake of those in the future.
@@peachesscales4782 Is that a problem? Computers are good at scheduling. They aren't good for hiring though, unless the AI is deeply integrated in the company workflow so it could "comprehend" which kind of skill they need.
@alexmin4752 Not when you can't fix your availability cause they've blocked out near all days from being picked for a day off. I got screwed out of my vacation and they refused to fix it.
I've been looking for literal bottom tier work for the last year and nobody is calling me back for it. I've had my resume looked at my professionals, I've put out so many applications since October of last year. It's absolutely crap. I've seen the jobs I've applied for *REPOSTED* many times over. Ghost jobs are real, despite what everyone else wants to tell me. Small towns in the south suck to live in but I can't get enough money to frieakin' move. The video is excellent though, I appreciate all the research you do into all of these issues.
Don't get your resume looked at by a professional. They are not AI. Companies use AI to filter out resumes first. Uses AI to scan the job posting for keywords. Then put those in your resume.
@@emilyau8023not 'bottom tier', but 'literal bottom tier', meaning if it was work on a 🚢 ship, he would be in the hull, not above deck. In a multi story office building, only in the basement or ground floor.
As a hiring manager for several different positions, my biggest frustration is that i am not allowed to see all of the applications, even though I have asked to. HR will not send me them so i miss about 50% of ppl who apply.
He’s talking about white collar work, but this attitude has even penetrated the lowest paying jobs now. I saw an ad for a cashier at a Dollar General asking for 3 years experience. They are trying to raise unemployment levels to give themselves more bargaining power.
I thought about becoming a volunteer firefighter to help the community. They want me to go to school and basically get a degree in fire fighting. Not worth my time and the new breed of fire firefighters lack commonsense
@@pspmaster2071 they don’t. Again, they are inflating unemployment numbers to increase financial desperation so that more people will accept worse conditions and less pay.
@@pspmaster2071Cause it's likely not a "cashier". They will have you doing managerial duties 2 weeks in at cashier pay to see if you will fight back and waste your time. I'm not kidding. (I live in a poor area with poor friends see this happen all the time).
@@brettcatterall7761"Not worth my time and the new breed of fire firefighters lack commonsense" Indeed-- albeit Emergency! (that 70s NBC medical/action series) was from Hollywood, at least the firefighters and paramedics at fictional Station 51 in L.A. County actually came across quite competent for the time.
I was on a team tasked with hiring entry-level support staff. Our first round resulted with zero applicants getting past the AI resume filter. We then challenged and revised the description and qualifications needed. We eventually narrowed down the “requirements” by half based on what the support staff person actually would be doing on a daily basis vs a “wishlist” of skills wanted. We ended up with dozens of applicants. Since then, we only list a few requirements that are absolutely necessary and then expect to train in-house on any other needed skills. This has been working really well. In-house training also bypasses the understated issue of unlearning inefficient or incorrect processes/practices from previous workplaces. IMO, it’s much easier to train someone how to do something correctly from the beginning than to correct something that they have learned the wrong way.
I work in IT support. I went back to school to get a Computer Science degree in part because they seem to be a requirement for most IT positions even though it's for all intents and purposes a software development degree. When I graduated I found that my previous industry experience didn't seem to matter when looking for entry level developer jobs. I eventually went back to a support job although I was turned down a few times for being "over qualified". The end result is that I'm making about the same as I was making ten years ago with 85k of student loans that I seem to only be paying the interest on. I'm not trying to make any point here and I have no advice to give. This is just the first place I've come across where I felt like I could share my story.
@@etuanno This was my point. My Computer Science curriculum was all software development related, but just about any support or admin role requires it now. I would have had to get it eventually to keep my job. It would have been nice to actually use the knowledge I acquired though.
The biggest traps of college is the idea you need X prestigious university and the idea of paying for room and board. Just go to your local college and learn the information. Grab whatever job you can in your field, suck it up for a few years, and aim for those higher positions. Your few years of being in a professional job are not about getting where you want right away, its about proving to the working world you don't suck at being part of the working world while learning/polishing your skills for bigger things. Paying 85k for the same information you could have paid 1/5th as much for is just throwing away your money. The ROI on the superior degree is terrible. And honestly, going to college while also working will way better prepare you for the working world than having a full ride at college ever will. You learn alot of soft skills and oganization and responsibility and time management and etc that college alone will not teach you. And even if you're just gonna go to college while living with your parents to lower the costs it still helps keep your more accountable because you're parents are right there.
I feel bad for you that you got hoodwinked by college into getting 85k in loans. Honestly it should have been your parents job to advise you against that. As a young kid you don't have the experience to know better, working adults definitely should know better. TBH my advice is suck it up and rent a single room going into a roomate situation and do what you can to get your car paid off and your monthly costs as low as possible. I live in Austin and can build up money on 43k a year with 1,300 a month rent. If I went into a roomate situation I could get that rent down to 700-900. (I did it during COVID when I needed to) so that's a 600-400 dollar a month difference right there. Most people can easily trim down their monthly expenses by like 30%+, often without really affecting their QoL. And in fact I'd say forcing yourself to live out of a single room for 1+ year helps alot in that. Lacking personal space really teaches you how little you actually need. But the faster you can get that debt monkey off your back the better. I'm currently aiming for my first house on 43k a year :p. Nice little tiny home. It's just a question of how long its gonna take.
@@Ralathar44 Not so young anymore. I'm 43. My parents were first generation college graduates so that did help but having gone back to school as an adult my experience was quite different from theirs. If I'm lucky enough to have kids I think I'm better equipped to help them navigate post secondary occasion. As far as monthly costs go there's nothing left to cut. My mother fractured her spine last Christmas. I've moved back in to help her get around, so rent isn't an issue. I work from home so gas is minimal, I don't eat out. I don't go to the movies. I can pay my bills and put a little away for emergencies not including retirement. I'm treading water. I'd say I regret going back to school, but I don't think I'd have my current job without my degree. But enough bitching it's just where I'm at. Good luck with your house saving. I hope you're able to carve out a place for you and yours.
I have 10 years of experience in my field and I’m a manager. I get paid less than the people who work at McDonald’s down the street from me because they have deemed my job as “entry level management” I’ve been looking for a new job for 2 years and no one will hire me even for non managerial positions in the same field.
Most job openings aren't real. Usually they're there either because internal protocol requires a public application process even when a position is meant for an internal applicant. Or they're there to make the company look like its hiring to please government and investors. Or the HR department is doing job market research.
Don't forget making over-worked employees believe help is coming to under-staffed departments. Everybody has to pull together to help get through this rough patch! Just a little longer. A little longer.
My first job out of undergrad was “entry level” & required 5 years of experience. I thankfully had 3 (from an internship). The person who had the job before me said it would take 6 months to learn everything, it took me 1.5 months & then I told them that the job could be done by someone with the same degree as me, who has only completed 1 year of undergrad. The person who had the job prior to me didn’t study what the job required and somehow got into it through connections, so she believed it required more than it did. Most jobs are truly just BS & the people who post them usually overestimate the skills needed. It’s never a “fast-paced environment,” it’s you staring at a screen after completing a work assignment in 1 day that was estimated to take 1.5 weeks.
So real, but I don't tell them I gradually do the work slowly on a downloaded file and upload bits and pieces on my shared drive so it looks like it's taking me the full project deadline. Then I game on the clock.
@@matttheradartechnician4308 smart, but also if companies rewarded efficiency you wouldnt have to do this and we wouldnt have to get bullshit gridlock from schemes like that. I have changed every work place I have been in to be more efficient because I thought it was the right thing to do for everyone. Instead I got everyone mad including the managers/owners so f*k it.
This is why I love the trucking industry. For the most part if you have a CDL and carry a pulse, you're hired. No pay negotiation, no confusing job requirements, just "here's your pay rate and your employee #, now hop on a truck with a trainer for 2 weeks to understand our system then start getting to work!" Also this job is outsource-proof. Can't drive a semi truck in Minnesota remotely from New Delhi.
Giving the military flies drones remotely. It's only a matter of time before truckers are replaced by South Asians effectively playing American Truck Simulator for $2.50/hr.
This whole process is an absolute mess and an unnecessary waste of money. If you can't figure out if someone is going to be a good fit over 2 interviews, just give f-off and stop wasting everyone's time and your employer's money.
The modern day job market is broken. It is full of unresolvable catch-22 paradoxes that make it impossible for anyone under 30 or over 40 to get a job.
Okay, I get it's frustrating. But it's not impossible. The youth (16-24) workforce participation rate in the US is ~ 60%. The youth unemployment rate is ~ 9%. That means just over half of all 16-24 year-olds in the US have a job.
@@oliviastratton2169 Okay but what kind of jobs do they have? What unemployment rate doesn't include are: how many of those jobs are part time or minimum wage, and the unemployment numbers also don't include people who just stopped looking for a job after about 1 year. Unemployment numbers are not accurate at all and haven't been for a long time.
@@la6136 Way to move the goalposts. You said it was impossible to get a job under 30. That's the point I'm responding to. As for "people who just stopped looking for a job", that's why I included workforce participation numbers. Workforce participation means you have a job or are looking for one. 60% of people 16-24 fall into this category. 9% are unemployed, so 60-9 = 51% = more than half.
It can be broken down to, owners and workers, the working class works for the owner class. What freedom and Capitalism offered was for everybody to work their way into the owner class. Socialism destroyed that arrangement, people can blame greed corporations but they're not the ones with the Monopoly on force. People need to stop looking for government for solutions. All these go together, Christianity, freedom, God, Capitalism and Patriarchy, break any of these and you break the social contract.
It is a two way street, you can't keep expecting higher standards for basic entry level jobs and offer minimum wage and pretend that is "good enough". Employers no longer want to put in the effort to train and secure a loyal employee. It is always a give and take, and takers will get their karma
I have found that the best way around the whole HR nightmare is to "know someone" already in the company. If you know someone, then they can vouch for you and get you in the door. You get to skip the automated ATS that is going to discard your resume' anyway, you get to skip several interviews of screening, and you can likely ask for more.
let me also say, while I say "just know someone" sounds easy, it is not! You really do have to show your work ethic, ability, and actually know someone that can help you!
Everyone knows this already. This is why we have so many idiots as leaders in the world because they know how to kiss ass/lie better than they know how to manage and lead. This is why most careers and labor markets are ponzi schemes.
They do. All the time. What millions of companies also have are hiring managers who forget to close the req 3 months after hiring someone, who was selected 1 week after the job was posted because 500 people applied and the hiring manager just didn't feel like going through 500 applicants and selected the first 20 and played "eanie meany miny moe" with 6 of the people of the 20 who were qualified. That person who hired you just years ago also was looking for an entry level job. Think about that for a moment, then come back to what you just said. It dehumanizes people who otherwise are normal regular people.
It's a social engineering technique. Other ones I use: mirroring, choosing to be the first or last candidate for the day, asking questions that make them think of good memories, letting the interviewer talk, researching the company ahead of time, sending thank you letters, look at the camera because it looks like eye contact, (a controversial one that might not apply as much now: appear right-handed unless they are left-handed), etc.
This is so true. I was job hunting last year, trying to find an entry level job for my degree before I graduated. I found one, a County Public Works Tech position. When I looked online at the requirements, I was astonished. They were asking that the ENTRY LEVEL applicant be experienced with installing, sizing, and maintenancing massive electrical components. Things that need a master level education in electrical to do. Upon interviewing, they stated that their oldest and most experienced employee was leaving. They needed someone who could "hit the ground running". I asked if he was being paid $18/hr because that was the advertised rate. They didn't reply with an actual answer. Needless to say, I spread the word locally, and no one took that job. Some out-of-state guy got it and he isn't happy.
@s.sradon9782 HR isn't a singular body. Payroll is responsible for getting you your paycheck, benefits/compensation maintains benefit policies and updates your compensation with compliance/raises, HR generalists do the maintenance that the managers don't want to do and you think there's nothing happening because they're doing their job correctly. HR roles that focus in data analytics finds out why there is high employee turnover and tries to get management to improve it, talent acquisition creates organized onboarding so you won't be lost when you're a new hire. Now, not all of these function correctly, but you can't deny they have a purpose. I'm probably still missing some like educational development, where they focus on allowing employees to have tuition reimbursement, certifications paid for by the company. I'm not even in HR and I see most of their purposes.
1000%. I use to work for an orthodontic company and my old boss wanted to squeeze more work out of me for the same price. Later when they tried to bring me on for FT (yeah i was contract ofc) they offered LESS for more responsibilities.
As someone who has experience working with ATS companies I can absolutely confirm that chat got is being used for advert generation. Because it is literally built into the software, once you add a job to the system, with one click it generates the ad. Of course recruiters are meant to double check this ad content, but whether or not they do is another question...
Entry level positions asking for any amount of experience should had immediately tipped off Regulators. This is exactly how you implode the working class, which is exactly what's happening today.
Psychologist here. Experience in HR. Most bosses have no idea of anything. Most recruiters don't have highschool or have sales experience. Or its just a bunch of girls in an office pretending to be HR experts. And yes; require absolute knowledge of MS Excel to do manual jobs, until faced with reality and the need to fill the headcount. This is in México, and the ones in USA are like that or worse as you say😂
College is not worth it anymore, even if you are studying to be a doctor or in a STEM field. The debt is too high and because of inflation those salaries are not even as good as they used to be. I don't blame Gen Z for skipping college and just going straight into the work force.
I wish I had not went on to university after community college. No job I have applied for or worked at required anything more than an associate degree. They all wanted 2-5 years experience instead. Nothing pays good enough at an entry level job (because no previous experience) to justify having debt for a college degree. This is at least in my area where I live. The only way I see college being worth it for gen z is if the senior level job you want in the future requires it and you have a way to pay off the student loan or not have a payment.
@@la6136I think I saw somewhere the average pay for someone coming out with a bachelors degree is $23 ish dollars? Why bother having debt for that wage.
I joke about how my degree (mechatronics) is worth less than the used toilet paper I just wiped my rear with when even the lowest entry level job wanted 5 years of experience. I've met several people going for the degree and tell them if they are serious about the degree then they need to get an internship through the college or they won't be getting anything.
The trades are where the jobs are because so few people are getting into the trades. For example, many places there are more plumbers retiring then new people. A local county created a trading class for plumbers because of the shortage. The trade union paid the fees for the class, but last year they got five people for a 12 person class (approximate numbers). Most of the trades pay more per hour than most jobs asking for a college degree.
I see this so much in my traditionally blue collar/vocational career. After 6 years of working in aviation as a civilian, then 10 more years in aviation in the military, and finally finishing and earning an FAA professional certification with accompanying Associate's Degree, I had 19 years of aviation experience across multiple roles. I was turned down 76 times in a row because I hadn't worked on their specific airframe. Mind you, sometimes I had actually worked on only that manufacturer's airframe, but was told I didn't have the experience they wanted. The rest of the time, that airframe was unique to a small niche of operators. So, I was either told I didn't understand the only airframe I had ever worked on, or that I first needed to work on the airframe only they operated. 🤦🏻♂️ Thankfully, one DOM realized that hiring in aviation is broken, and the lack of employees is the fault of employers. He read resumes personally, as a human being, and called candidates himself. I have a good job out of luck and one decent employer out of hundreds!
The double standards of entry-level positions makes me wonder who in their right mind called this a sane idea. Entry-levels are supposed to be a place of learning. Those with one year of experience should be a side-dish, but it shouldn't deter the goal of the hiring process. Also, the ATS can get biased. Fast. Too picky, that we now have to make a tactic to "trick" the ATS.
Honestly I'm getting ready to write my own tampermonkey script to hide hob listings which require experience and then see how many hits I actually get.
TLDR: interacting with the data like that makes websites angry It would be way too much of a hassle to make since sites like to hide their apis and make it difficult to interact with the data at all (probably for fear of web scrapers. I just stopped using indeed after all the results became garbage recently. All sorts of positions popping up which should be hidden for their location and because I've answered "no" to all of the qualifications ... You'd have to figure out how to hide automation software to scrape the site, then run it through ai to see if it contains qualifications (or else build a list of key words to look for)...
Also they use shenanigans and encode all if the incoming data to make it hard to see. You'd need to reverse part of their javascript to decode that and *I'm not about to do a backflip to make their site usable.* I'd rather just not use it.
Did anyone notice that he spent 15 minutes explaining that these companies incompetent actions are fleecing their workers out of a significant amount of pay. Then proceeds to spend the last 3-4 minutes saying "Hey look professional that'll fix it!" No. It wont... These companies just want to save money by fleecing their employees.
Never said it will fix it. I said that I believe this system is near impossible to achieve but it’s still important to give yourself the best shot. I provided a practical tip that helped me get a job and allows one of the only aspects you have direct control over in this system. Far better advice than to say it’s entirely hopeless and there is nothing you can do. I don’t believe that to be true
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Its simpler : they want to pay people with years of experience an entry level salary.
So true
Yea…employees switch companies. You can move from one company to another for the same role “payable clerk, CFO, Accountant” for better pay. The “payable clerk” for example is an “entry level” position but I can get someone else from another company that is looking for better pay.
Porque no los dos?
With as long as the "Entry Level with 5 years of experience" thing has been going on, people on the other side of that system have probably found ways to exploit its existence; and thus see no reason to fix what isn't broken. (for them)
That's just inaccurate lmao. Sure, a generic startup does, but someone with "years of experience" would simply look somewhere else. I literally leveraged my current job with a different one to get a pay increase months back.
The only reason why companies look for experience is due this always being a practice. If you didn't get experience "in college" for your degree, then you didn't properly do college. More importantly, if you don't even understand the source material of the job, why on Earth do you expect them to "train you"? Even more importantly -- If you have experience in the job being offered (AKA You have the job in the field you wish), and you see the listing for lower pay, why would you willingly apply for that job?
The problem sits with peoples incapability of critical thinking here, but I'll lay it out for you:
- Someone with adequate experience can get a higher paying job, they wouldn't go for a $15-20/hr job with experience
- Entry Level professional jobs aren't looking for someone with "years of experience". They're looking for people that actually know how to do what's asked of them without training or without being micromanaged
- If an employer wanted to take advantage of workers, why would they hire "new" instead of promoting low-wage worker at lateral pay and train them to do the higher-pay task in order to save money?
I know critical thinking is lost in many now a days, but this explains why so many of you can't find a job in your respective fields.
@@itsJoshW
Too bad more words doesn't make you more correct.
You can't overstate the irony of requiring years of experience for a job that's "entry level".
@@brandonkeller5765 it’s beyond ironic! Exactly why I felt it necessary to add so many cartoons in this video haha
I’m like 7 almost 8 months into post grad life. Have not found anything with college degree. Dunno what my parents were babblin about when saying it would help me get a job. 😢
To be fair, entry doesn't have to mean beginner. It can mean the qualifications to enter a position. But, it's true that the qualifications are overblown.
@meowth900 what degree did you get?
Irony is when a state of affairs is not only against what one would expect but is also poetically in mockery of it. You have done to irony what the millennials did to 'literally.'
Most jobs want the experience of a 50 year old, work ethic of a 70 year old, the health of a 30 year old, the energy of a 20 year old, but want to pay them a 16 year old salary
That's business.
nothing personell
Work ethic of a 70 yo? Most boomers are a net drain
20 years later: where workers
@@borone1998 *personal
Im in my 30s.
I remeber my dad, who is nearly 70, looked at me when I was 20 and told me,
"You are never going to be able to do what I did, because companies have screwed you hard.
At least he sees and recognises the problem instead of blaming you
Boombers be like : Yes my generation screwed you.
Wow that's rare. Go dad
This is so rare fr. Mine just turned 70 and is only just realising this because of the current state of our country.
Welcome to the nepotism era where only rich kids will have the connections to get offered entry jobs.
In the past, hard work could allow anyone to overcome simple upbringings but not anymore as you won’t get the chance to work hard to begin with
Companies would rather screen 1000’s of candidates for months to find skills that take 1 week to train into anyone.
Haha yes! Summed it up very nicely
@@DamonCassidy Great video by the way Damon! I definitely resonate with everything you said. Going on month 9 of my own job search...
So glad you enjoyed it! Really glad it was able to have some value. Really sorry it has taken that long, such a ridiculous system
Yep
Or even if it took a few months, you build someone up who will be loyal to you because they’ve been trained
And that searching doesn’t have to continue
@@bornonthebattlefront4883Companies need to be legislatively forced to go back to old model of hiring and keeping their employees for years. Bring back company retirement funds as well.
Companies: no one wants to work anymore.
Companies: *outsources everything and uses ai for everything*
You hit the nail on the head
Facts
The 1 million dollar question: If companies are so fancy about so-called “AI”, why don’t they use it to replace all managers, investors and shareholders? After all, what they do is all about mathematics, which every computer can do better and more efficiently than any human, and all the “AI” would have to do is to distribute the financial resources, it wouldn’t have to siphon off any share for itself which on top of that has to “magically” grow every year.
Companies: no one wants to work anymore
Companies: *expects everyone to be the best in their field for entry-level pay*
@@TheDeceptiveHero Because the managers, investors and shareholders are the ones who have stocks in "AI". They're not gonna fire THEMSELVES now, will they?
If your “entry level” job requires experience, it’s not entry level.
Bingo 😄
There was/no such thing as an “entry level job”. Companies are now looking for clerks who want better pay from their previous jobs. Encouraging lateral movement…just like every other job position. When will RUclipsrs stop calling it “entry level level jobs” is the question. But it gets the people going…
@@manoftomorrow5987When will companies stop lying and listing positions as entry level when they aren't? That's the actual question. If they're just trying to poach workers who are already in the industry and have years of skills then it's a lateral move, that isn't an entry point for anyone else. It "gets people going" because the bottom two thirds of the nation is constantly getting screwed over by this garbage system whether you're in the workforce or seeking employment. It's not a content creator's fault for just telling it like it is.
All entry level professional jobs require experience of some sort. Hell, I know for a fact that if I didn't get my A+ certification in 2011, I wouldn't have found my first IT job, and that was when I was in school. The notion that people think, literally, that "if it's entry level it shouldn't require experience" is absolutely bonkers. Are you seriously trying to say that your typical entry level jobs should teach you 12 months of basic course work you'd learn from college (rather, the "originally credit required" internship course) or other source material (such as certification)? Do you truly think that a Help Desk should sit there and train someone for 6 - 12 months on how to reset a Password or problem solve software issues?
Hell no. That's why you went to school to begin with. The fact is that loads of schools, and especially students, aren't taking the initiative to actually obtain experience before applying. And some companies will actually accept that and will assume you'll "pick it up as you go", which comes to the proper solution for those looking for their first job: Apply within the first hour of it opening with a clean, simple resume with your course work and certification practices set as "Relative experience".
Companies now, and before, and when I started, and even when my 70 year old mother worked in IT (in the 80's and 90's), and my 50 year old brother (who currently is a DBA) started in the 2000's. This hasn't changed.
What's changed is the information provided to the students and those looking for work, which is "less information for how to apply" with "more applicants applying".
When you increase the application pool, decrease the knowledge surrounding what grants hiring, you end up leading to this situation. Loads of people entirely not understanding how hiring practices work in professional service environments.
@@manoftomorrow5987Yap Yap
I make TV commercials for car dealerships and run a small videography/photography business on the side. The amount of times I've been told "I don't have enough experience" by HR departments is insaine to me. A good example is there is this wedding company looking for a videographer. They require you to have 2 years of experience in weddings only to even be looked at. I applied again and lied because I was curious and when I talked to them and asked how they expected me to get that experience they told me to find another company that would do it. These companies are just passing the responsibility onto someone else and then complaining that no one wants to work.
Absolutely right! I have somewhat similar experiences as you stated here and it’s unreal the expectations they have while largely having no idea what is needed to achieve the outcome
That's the trick I always see with any HR or overhead with no experience themselves: they gaslight you into thinking you're not qualified to do what they can't.
This is something I’m seeing a lot these days they really are creating a dystopian world by doing this… it is I believe already backfiring, but humans have this tendency of not learning from their mistakes, so they’ll keep enforcing this nonsense until things truly collapse. Maybe a shift is to expect to happen, with people refusing to be part of this nonsense and being freelance instead, but this entry-level with years of experience bs is not doing any good… what a clown society we live in…
If I were you, I'd just say I have X amount of years of experience. Ever Shot a video in middle school / high school? You got years of experience
I actually went on a tirade when an employer fed me that line about needing experience for an entry-level job. I told them, and I quote, "How am I supposed to get experience if I'm denied the job? I just can't wave a wand and magically have experience. It doesn't work that way."
If HR were competent, they would fire themselves
HR is now run mostly by AI.
@@nickl5658 AI is a symptom not the cause. The biggest problem is the boom and bust approach by the companies and job hopping by workers. Those 2 factors make any emplouee retention impossible: either workers will leave to get a same job but for better salary or the company will have to downsize in order to maximise the annual profit. So it makes no sense to invest in training.
@@nickl5658 So the AI can fire the "human resources"
The amount of incel's in these comments are insane.
1) HR was created originally as an intermediate between company and labor; They exist, essentially, for the same reason Unions exist: So people aren't taken advantage of by company/corporate exploitive practices.
2) HR, in most companies, is typically is more competent than the majority of people complaining of why they actually need to retain what they learned in order to obtain a job.
3) No, HR isn't "mostly run by AI", maybe at Mc Donalds or BK, but you're talking businesses that require Human's in order to be intermediates between capitalist profits and workers. They're legally there for the people, not "to save face".
4) People get fired in HR all the time, literally the major reason why people are fired in HR is doing the same practices the same mindset thinks "HR is responsible for". If someone is inaccurately telling people things to make the company more profit, or telling people things that go against their handbook or rights (AKA: Not being 'for the people), then they're probably going to be let go.
5) This is such a conservative mindset. 10 years ago it was "union workers were this this this this" now it's "HR workers are this this this this". At what point do we stop listening to corporate bs to "get rid of these here regulations" and start actually realizing what these are actually here for?
@@itsJoshW No HR is simply to cover your ass so that you are less likely to be sued for breaking labour laws. They're paid for by the company to serve the company and treat humans like resources and maximise profits and improve the bottom line. I would know I have my own company and employ a small HR department.
Also starting with "incel" is just projection, Lisa in HR is going to sleep with you for waffling about how HR is for the people.
Don’t forget the cherry on top:
Parents who see nothing wrong with this logic and think their kid is somehow responsible for not getting hired under these circumstances.
This....I have been looking for jobs and my parents just think I'm just lazy luckily they got to understand I just think parents really should listen to their child
Or they live in denial and tell you that “You should have gone in and met the hiring manager” They give advice from when they were looking.
My dad told me I don’t have any connections so I won’t get a job?? I’m 16 how am I supposed to have connections??
@@Gliese710_ Should have been networking since you were 5...shame. Haha, but seriously I don't think parents hear themselves.
@@MrPokoloco Parents can be complete morons, it's also why I abandoned mine. Long story short, I was looking for a job in 2014, had troubles, and they kept saying I wasn't trying hard enough, that I should ignore all of my free time and look for a job 24/7. Basically, don't sleep, don't eat, don't even have fun, use all that time to just get a job.
And they wonder now why I never call them, or don't bother to do anything with them lol. Parents who can't even use a single brain cell shouldn't be parents to begin with.
“We demand top-notch, experienced employees- but we’ll pay at beginner level.”
That’s what they’re saying with different words.
Absolutely right!
Yeah the job listing should say
Pay level: entry
Experience level: Senior
If they could legally pay you nothing they would
@@DamonCassidy at this point, they want to put God on a leash, and expect he'll obey.
And then you recall a company requiring 8 years of experience with code that existed for only 6.
_Which was enough for that company to turn down the man who invented said code._
As i just stated in a comment, these joboffers are not real, they just inflate the companies potential workforce, never going to hire.
Is this a joke? 😑😅
@@chichi77timThat was a real incident
@@Pacemaker_fgcOk
Can you give me the article for this? I wanna read it
Companies want employees that are loyal like in the 60s but without being as good to their employees like companies in the 60s.
They want loyalty without giving loyalty.
I've heard that a lot of companies don't actually want loyalty, because that means they'd have to give raises for staying long term, and it's cheaper to use people up until they realize they deserve better and then hire someone else at a lower rate...
@@saged1513 Constantly training new employees is more expensive than just paying a good employee a fair salary. When an employee is treated fairly they will have more goodwill for the company too which gives them more flexibility.
@@Noksusconstantly training new employees does cost a lot of money. Which is why they're constantly hunting people with more skills so they don't have to train them while avoiding raises.
You can try giving them loyalty and they'll just lay you off to make their numbers look better when it's convenient.
It’s just so frustrating that the older generation says young people don’t wanna work than refuses to hire young people strictly because they’re young and haven’t had even the opportunity to be taught anything. It’s so horrible to think about
It's less that and more that modern young people lack alot of life skills that young people of previous generations had. The overdependence on technology and the prevalence of echo chambers have made people worse at things like team work, communication, problem solving, critical thinking, etc. And why I agree schools should try and do more to teach these subjects, ultimately alot of people turn their brains off to anything beyond getting through the classes when they go to school. Trying to teach someone something they are not interested in learning is a fruitless endeavor.
@@Ralathar44 Critical thinking and problem solving shouldn't be necessary for ENTRY level positions. You shouldn't need to be a genius or have a degree for basic positions. Even a monkey can be trained to run a train, why can't a human be trained to run a spreadsheet without a 4 year degree?
@@volatile100 They are not necessary, but you will be out-competed by anyone who has those soft skills + what is necessary because your job knows those skills means they don't have to spend near as much time and money training you up AND you'll also be far more likely to be promotion material later. If you aim at what's only necessary don't be surprised when you get outcompeted lol. Also for spreadsheets specifically stuff like Databasing is actually fairly simple BUT boring AF. Most people in databasing fail to make the cut for the 2nd reason. For other types of spreadsheets you need to be very detail oriented, organized, and diligent or you'll make alot of careless mistakes. Not only that but spreadsheeting starts super simple but with all the formulas and formatting and etc actually gets pretty complicated. I took some classes 20 years ago and it still surprised me how much more Microsoft Excel I know than the average person using it for a living lol. People have tried to promote me into documentation multiple times hahaha. I keep saying no.
@@Ralathar44 But thats failing to recognize the other half of that problem. Older generations use that for a metric, while younger generations don't. And like exactly how we got here, those older generations would rather neglect it than address it. Which is how Gen Alpha is going from iPad babies to Screenagers.
And the grand irony to all of this is that this is exactly what a lot of companies wanted. Brain dead consumers, to which they can sell solutions and products to with little effort. And they only care NOW, because they've burnt up their resources, and don't have a work force to perpetuate it. And inline with the rest of their mentality, they're shifting the burden to squeeze out what they can out of their existing resources for short term gain, creating an even worse long term problem for themselves.
I can sum up the entire comedy of errors that got us here with a phrase from one of the best shows from the 90s.... Dinosaurs.
"Well that sounds like a 4th quarter problem. And we'll bomb that bridge when we come to." - JP Richfield
@@Ralathar44 With that mentality good luck getting talent and retaining it. At that rate Boomers are going to have to get dug up from their graves to get back into the workforce again because of the hubris of a spoiled, rotted generation that thinks they're better than those who are younger and talking about "life skills" while not being able to use critical thinking to solve easy problems involving technology. Believe it or not, when you go to school for a field you're interested in you actually have to solve problems to know how to use the theory you're taught (i.e: critical thinking), but I don't expect a spoiled generation like Boomers to even understand the concept.
It seems employers have employed the narcissistic abuse cycle as their primary mode.
1. Invite
2. Give false positive feedback
3. Accuse insufficiency
4. Discard
@N8_R Actually, consider yourself lucky if you even get invited 😄 we currently have 200-250 applications per entry-level job where I live, lol
@@george825 Nope. A bad invite can ruin one's career, speaking from experience.
Edit: Ok I read the intent of your comment incorrectly at first. I think we are both right in the sense that a good faith invite is very lucky, the wrong one can send you tumbling into the gutter. Yet another issue in the job market: employers are such a grab bag, there's no telling because there is no oversigjt or enforcement for workers who are not full employee or salary. I lost count of how many times I got injured or came near with no recourse or protection, was asked to do trade level work with no training and inadequate materials, then they just replace you with a temp.
they are bad, evil and malicious
Seems like the kind of thing American Psycho tried to warn us about
Speaking of my company. I work as a software engineer in a small startup. 3 Months ago our CEO laid off 60% of our development team bringing numbers down to 2 citing financial reasons and those may be correct since the company hasn't been able to sell its products or launch stable products for the last 4 years. The issue is continuous and large changes suggested by our CEO(non-tech). Also after laying off employees our CEO still wants the development process to be quicker and products being developed just like Chinese sweatshops. No time given to understand existing issues, no help from managers, no time provided to learn new frameworks in which products are to be developed or maintained
Another explanation is that companies are NOT actually hiring but merely placing job ads to meet government requirements. They place an ad for a job with high requirements at minimum wage knowing full well that few will apply and even fewer will accept an offer. Its a way of being on a hiring freeze without making it official.
big if true
There should be laws to prevent this from happening....
Putting out absird offers and rejecting all the offers should be seen as a form of employement fraud and get ounished for a percentage of their sales figures.
And also mwe should make sure that at least some get the job.
@@raylenn4444 I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I worry that such a company will make that new employee's job hell because they didn't want to hire them in the first place. It might hurt the workers more than it hurts the company.
I'm not sure what to do about that part of the problem.
@@leyrua make it so companies have quotas to fill for employement, and they're free to not hire lore than the required quota.
Quotas are all based upon merit of students, so as to prioritize the competent ones in these jobs.
@@raylenn4444 The laws are going to have to be pretty comprehensive. Can't give these companies ANY wiggle room, or they are going to set the wages below poverty level so that only the most desperate students apply. And then they will overwork those students since, if they were desperate enough to take a job with that low of a wage, they will be too desperate to leave.
False advertising should be made illegal. If a job description claims “work from home” but allows only one remote work day per week, it should be considered false advertising. Similarly, if a job is labeled as “entry level” but demands more than two years of experience, this should be deemed illegal. These deceptive practices clutter job search websites and exploit unsuspecting candidates by collecting their resume information under false pretenses.
Also, some of these “remote” jobs require you to live in the state or area. This job market is frustrating
Tell me about it. It’s why I keep seeing the same job postings over and over on websites such as Indeed. It doesn’t help to try other sites because they all share the same ads.
Absolutely.
Part of what the video mentioned about problems of inefficiencies. Good points and concerns, but some things aren't working out. I wonder how hard it is if it was my job to get everything and everyone on the same page to function well on a societal level...
Agreed, except entry level should require no experience.
The good old employer’s paradox, all demanding experience none of them are willing to give.
Even mcdonalds these days requires experience
Or to know somebody at the company.
Pure insanity. I find it to be no coincidence that the healthiest workplace I’m at currently doesn’t push that nonsense and allows for growth.
Why do you think so many Engineering Students join cooperative engineering programs? They don't care if they get underpaid, they don't care if they don't learn that much from working in a business. They can claim 3-5 years experience upon getting the degree. Problem solved.
@robertsteinbach7325 Man, but even internship are hard to get too.
Oh,I have experience...
experience with not being chosen for a interview.
And don't get me started on those lame assessment tests after applying for a job online!
I strongly believe that when 95% of jobs say that want someone Entry Level, they’re really saying that they want a Junior Level professional.
Or that they want to be able to pay someone with a number of experience the remuneration of a junior.
@dannylam8272 that's more likely.
Entry level salary. Senior experience. Master's degree.
@@azmodanpc For our company it is entry levels salary, 10 years of experience with 1000x productivity because our CEO believes in rolling out products every 2 months with highly understaffed organization. Also he has not been able to sell any products that we have made. All this rolling out because we provide a wide catalogue of products looks good on the portfolio website
I disagree, I believe they just want to pay less and get more for their dollar.
IF a job demands ANY level of experience... THEN it is NOT "entry level." Period.
They’re lying to us for no reason
Problem is the young inexperienced kids that were given a chance 60 years ago are now in charge and their ego is preventing them from granting the same courtesy. They forgot where they came from and firmly believe they were special when in reality the only difference is they were given a shot.
They call it “crabs-in-a-bucket” mentality.
No. The sick truth is they know exactly where they came from and they think the world is exactly the same whilst complaining about how much everything has changed. They are the definition of insanity and these are the people in power, who should have let go decades ago, but they know they cannot survive if they do so they continue to amass more resources at the expense of the younger generations.
“If i give them an opportunity, eventually theyll replace me and ill have to retire”
@@sonnywilson748 Truth
Nepo kids who inherited their positions...
My dad, who just turned 60, told me how when he was in high school, the auto companies would set up tables there to recruit seniors to join the assembly lines. You could sign up at school and be working within weeks of graduation, with all of your training done on-the-job.
A quick search reveals that in the 80s, these jobs, at least in my area, typically paid around $10/hr. That doesn’t sound like much, but it’s equivalent to a whopping $40 in today’s money. Nowadays, the HIGH end of the pay range for that same job is only around…$20.
And yet my dad, who lived through that reality, still insists that it’s my fault I can’t find a job. When every job listing is either $13/hour for the most soul-sucking work possible, has 200 applicants, pays on commission rather than an actual salary, or just isn’t honest about how much experience they’re ACTUALLY looking for.
He's extrapolating his experience when it no longer applies unfortunately..
on top of that, the jobs are incredibly unstable. they could let you go after just 6 months.
Your dad is right...yall young ppl don't want to do back breaking work!
I work in the auto industry and it is still like this with the recruiting. They recruit lots of 18 year olds from highschool but the pay range starts at $19. If you stay for 6 months you will bump to 20, after a year 21. While not great it's at least something and you get hands on skills that you don't in other jobs so there's that too. A big part of why the relative pay is lower is that operator required skills are much lower now as there is more automation to make the job easier.
@@dionbrooks4981Try working in Retail, man. What you say isn't true.
Entry level with 5 years experience = we want skilled labor at the cheapest cost.
Absolutely right!
I think the entry level job situation is really just manufacturing consensus to justify outsourcing to India and China. What happens is the company keeps going with vacancies and eventually the people who already have jobs get overloaded and fall behind. Corporate either keeps the existing employees but contracts out the extra work, or worse the entire division is just sent to India.
How about no?
I learned 18 years ago to only look at the job duties, and ignore the experience "requirements". They aren't required at all.
18 years ago we didn't have AI filtering resumes for keywords so HR doesn't have to see anything but the top results.
@@hayuseen6683 one just has to be a lil creative
@@hayuseen6683there's a trick to avoid that.
Take the tougher jobs to pad the resume. Things like travel requirements are tough. You'll generally get better pay and gain valuable experience that looks good on a resume.
I've got no degree and took on tougher jobs, got recognized by my coworkers and have been able to rise through the ranks through networking.
Essentially, you take that shit job, work hard at it for a time, and then get recognized by others. Continue hopping around every 2-3 years until someone acknowledges your talents.
@@kabloosh699 When did you do this?? Im sorry but that simply does not happen. Employees are treated like oil in an engine, not even the gears. Something to just be used up and replaced. Youre just a number now.
@@kabloosh699 it's not a position where we can just "take tougher jobs" to get experience. I have a Master's in CS (4.0), published research, two years of experience, etc. and I cannot even get an interview with over 600 applications sent out. The problem is that we cannot get ANY jobs.
My experiences have been like this:
1. I've never been hired for my skills.
2. My college degree, which is supposed to substitute for experience to a certain extent, has not helped at all.
3. Companies don't like hiring outsiders, and instead promote from within.
4. I spent money on a college course to learn a skill that I could've been trained to do by the company for free.
I've actually experienced the opposite of number 3, the places I've worked at have exclusively hired for management and more experienced positions from outside of the company because promoting people from inside means they have to increase those people's rate of pay periodically and they would rather lay off and rehire those people at a lower rate rather than give them more money.
Meanwhile they can exploit someone from outside who is not in contact with the internal crew.
@@Vanity0666 It's rather odd to promote to that position from outside the company. You'd think that most companies that hire outsiders would be the ones with high rates of turnover.
Degrees are only good in super complex and legally intertwined fields like accounting or engineering. The rest is BS papers.
@@singular9Which field is taught in college that isn't super complex?
@@RavenclawFtW3295 They don't want to promote someone into a position above their former coworkers because that might cause interpersonal issues. Also, they always want a "fresh outside perspective" in leadership positions.
But yeah, that does mean you always have a fresh new crop of executives, directors, and upper management who have no idea how the company works, who does what, the history or position within the industry etc. Because of that, they are all ineffective and get pushed through the revolving door and replaced again in a few months.
Meanwhile you have the lower-ranked actual workers, some of whom have been there for 25 years, actually keeping the company running while asking each other "Hey, do you know who's in charge of us this week?" "No, maybe they'll tell us in next week's big company meeting." "Who's running the meeting?" "The new guy, probably."
Hire and train entry level employees who will bring in more business, clients, profits. ❌
Keep HR and managers who are not experts in the field.✅
@@DayrusBPB if they get rid of hr and middle managers who's going to hire for them?
@@UltLuigi1
Themselves like they used too
@@mareofstature But they don't want to hire people themselves! That's why they hired people to do it!
@@UltLuigi1
Well someone has to, and if you get rid of the middle men then they have to do it.
@@mareofstature I know that's kind of the joke, they would do anything to avoid any sort of responsibility
The more I listened to you explain the situation the more I realized that the people in charge of hiring have no idea what they are doing.
It’s hilarious that their businesses have continued to run this long if you really look at it. They’re beating the breaks off every restaurant that pops up in my town 😂
Hmm...what type of person generally works in the H/R dept.?
this sounds about right. no one will take accountability, especially if they are personally unaffected, allowing this broken system to continue, rather than take two seconds to figure out how to do things right. all this while blaming the people who actually want a job.
It at least put something on my wound a little bit, knowing that they just might be easier to convince then i would think by the description.
@@CarlGerhardt1 From my experience with my dad, who is an H/R specialist and has been for decades, random people. He has admitted to me that he has no idea what makes a resume good though. Once one gets to him he can choose a reasonable candidate from what he's got but he has no idea what actually gets the things to him. He also believes that interviews are largely pointless and that his bosses put too much stock in them. He thinks that there should generally be one interview to make sure the candidate can show up and get some basic impressions on the candidate. He's mentioned that he really doesn't know what he would do to get a job in the modern job market and it bothers him, what with his job literally being the other side of that. Luckily for him he just transfers around different government departments. He knew what was happening 30 years ago. I don't think it is even his fault, it isn't like he's incompetent he's just also getting no training. The government and the companies don't want to train new workers and they don't want to train preexisting workers either, fucking over both sides of the equation including the people who should be doing the hiring.
Before watching video: It's an exploitative business practice
After watching video: It's an exploitative business practice, explained as a Scooby Doo sandwich
@@shanehunt3019 this was great🤝🏼
We really need a law that would ban requiring job experience for entry level jobs or limit to 1 year max. If you want experienced workers, remove word entry level from job listing.
We first need to outlaw fake job postings
Ah yes, that's exactly what we need. A law that allows people who have no idea what they're applying for, to get the job. Yeah, that'll fix the ability for you to get that job.
@@itsJoshW What stops those companies from listing that job as non-entry level?
@@test-rj2vl Well let's take my field for example, I work in IT. I work with the App Implementation teams, but I'm going to refrain from my exact title. Worked in IT for 10+ years, closer to 15 but we're going to go with 10 to save face.
If you want to get a job at the Help Desk of the location I work, here's some of the requirements: (and dutied)
- Knowledge of Microsoft Windows & Microsoft Servers Required
- Knowledge of MS Exchange preferred
- Network experience preferred
- Backup & Disaster Recovery Experience Preferred
- Understanding of Active Directory Recommended
- A+ Certification Preferred
- Exceptional customer service knowledge and able to communicate
- Able to document accurately
- System Documentation for End User Aid
- Installation of images and software
- Technical support of network troubleshooting strongly preferred
Experience:
- Bachelors Degrees (or) Associates Degree (w/ 1 years experience)
- Ability to Commute (_______)
Notice real quick what the "experience" is? Yeah, that's the problem that we seem to have a barrier with here. The overwhelming majority of people "with degrees" have the experience, what they don't have is the above.
Now here's a mid-level position, something like a "Software Engineer 1": (Just some, I don't feel like paraphrasing all of this)
- Equivalent to the completion of four (4) years of college coursework in computer science of equivalant required
- Work experience with monitoring and maintaining system operations required
- Experience with implementing Software Patches and Updates to SaaS
- Previous experience providing IT support in a 24-hour operational environment Required
- Must be able to demonstrate proficiency in Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office
- Must be able to demonstrate proficiency in Linux Based Operating Systems
- Must be able to demonstrate proficiency in Android & iOS
Experience:
- Bachelors Degrees (w/ 2 years experience) or Associates Degree (w/ 4 years experience)
- Experiencing working _______ environment
- Advanced knowledge of C++, Basic, Javascript, SQL, Python, Java
- Ability to Commute (_______)
Notice how the "mid-level" position is still entry level, but you need to work from Point A to get to that Point B? Both are entry level, one is mid-level, the other is entry. Both require experience of some sort.
If we were to, say, require no experience. It'll look something more like a Walmart application.
I don't see it being feasibly possible to do that, honestly, but assume it was possible -- How on Earth would you say that is "better"?
As far as your comment, I don't think you understand why certain jobs require experience, and I can't stress to you the importance of knowledge. Knowledge is experience. If you understand something enough to do it, in practice, that is experience.
@@itsJoshWthen train the new hires or ask for experienced workers only... it's really not that complicated
Outsourcing the hiring process is so silly, no wonder companies are struggling finding workers.
It's a vicious cycle and then they are for foreign immigration.. The youth today are getting shafted in many ways 😢
I can agree with this. Outsourcing hiring is typically why so many can't find adequate employees or find people entirely out of scope of their field. Most hiring agencies don't care about relative experience, let alone knowing how to do the job. They look for someone within the basic keywords asked of the company for whatever is being hired, knowing so very little about the topic at hand, and then the company is left with only a few people that, otherwise, probably don't even meet the criteria.
I think if anything, people "without experience" are more likely to find work by this process, but that also determines that people who get these people will be stuck with people unwilling to actually take initiative to improve themselves, thus it'll lead to those people being fired within the 90 day period, anyway.
Loads of these comments on the video make me feel like they're the same people that "blame hr" for their inappropriate behavior, crazy absurd sexist or racial jokes, and crazy personality, and then claim HR is "legal for the company" rather than understanding what the entire point of Human Resources was for (which, like unions, was a 'for the workers' intention).
Its the unicorn issue
They want a perfect employee that just is not common
The people who have vast experince or good connections arent going to settle for a lesser paying job
Tribal One is a shit hiring agency. I had to apply through them to a bowling alley and got ghosted by both of them, contacted the recruiter like "??????" And they told me to call the bowling alley directly.
If I had to do that in the first place, then what the fuck is the point of the hiring agency?
@itsJoshW My guy I must disagree since HR is not there to help employees for day but protect company reputation. Why when a employee notify to the HR that boss is doing something wrong or being abusive intead of helping you, they outright fire you qnd invent some excuses to do so. HR are not on the employee side.
It’s like that dog fetch meme:
“Want skilled worker.”
“No train, only skilled worker”
Thn how about no workers?
Bye
4:46 "employers are unhappy that entry level employees don't have years of experience. so instead of deciding to pay people more for their experience, they raise the experience requirements for entry level jobs" wtf lmao
Most jobs can just be taught. They are just lazy about it. 😊
I've gone through both the realm of having too little and too much experience for entry level jobs. The first time I heard I knew too much it shocked me. Why would a company not want a person that checks all the boxes and might know more than the supervisor?
@@shinkyto >might know more than the supervisor<
perhaps that's exactly the problem, they don't want to get humiliated by someone who's getting paid less than them lmao, they want people who just keep their head down and do as they're told
My favorite is being denied a position because of my lack of experience but being offered a much lower paying position only to end up doing the job i originally applied for at a much lower rate of pay than it was advertised to pay.
Isn’t that great! Have to squeeze every last drop they can
Literally happened to me. I was hired at a junior position when I applied for a senior position. Had the listed requirements, maybe just a year off on the experience. Should have at least been hired mid level
That’s disgusting
As a business consultant I can attest to the destructive reality that American businesses are their own worst enemy. Management is a low grade clown show.
As a former consultant, I agree there is so much BS.
Tell us some of your worst experiences? You can anonymize the details.
The issue in that area is putting people in management roles when they are not ment to be management. Not everyone can be a leader and it's not a skill that can be trained it's a you either have it or you don't type of skill.
@@Jbig1430 basically companies keep promoting you until you’re not doing well enough to be promoted anymore, which leaves folks sitting at manager where the type of work changes dramatically from the “doing the work” style of the lower roles. There they languish, not being good enough to promote or bad enough to fire, existing as a meatshield between the higher-ups and the other workers.
As someone who has worked in the past with "consultants", I can attest that this field is entirely about ripping people off in order to maximize personal gain while taking advantage of the lack of critical thinking skills of people who were hired "without experience in the field they are suppose to represent (aka nepo)".
I wouldn't say American Businesses are their own worst enemy with hiring practices. Prioritizing profits over the people? Sure, we can start there. But hiring practices? That's equally as dumb as hiring a consultant or consultant 'firm'. Nothing says "I am inexperienced, please take advantage of me" like that.
I think a worse idea would be creating an entry-entry level hiring practice where now you pay the college grads (who didn't take the initiative) even lower to train them to do the basic work that others, who took initiative, in order to replace the higher-paid "experience" position. Because that's what America needs. More dumb people. "Merica".
They want to hire people with experience but nobody wants to bite the bullet and hire people to give them experience. It makes it so every year there's less people getting experience since nobody is getting hired.
It's absolute bullshit. I have a friend who's been trying to find a job for a few months now. I took him around and we just between the two of us. I helped him put in maybe 20-30 applications, we didn't get a single response, nothing, not even a no.
And they have put in more than that on there own
it's literally poisoning the u.s. labor supply because they are all so greedy.
It's gonna bite them in the ass eventually.
It's such bullshit because they don't even grant interviews to these people, they'd be able to see they're good candidates for the role and can easily be trained for whatever knowledge they lack
I love the tension that exists between:
“We don’t want to train you, so please accrue experience elsewhere before applying.”
And
“These ungrateful, job-hopping employees don’t know what loyalty is anymore!”
It’s great right! Makes absolutely no sense
When my daughter came home from college for the summer, she got a job at McDonald's. Having worked as a teenager in the late 1970's, I naively asked her about how she was doing at making friendships with the other students working there. She shocked me by telling me that she was the only college student there. All of the other workers were high school grads who had made fast-food their career. Those fast-food jobs were once entry level jobs, and the other workers would have been working at a factory in my generation.
Damn.... talk about working you to the ground...
@@Ewillum Thats where they get the filler for those burgers.
In the 80s-90s McD was primarily a High-School job. A couple High-Schoolers had a "job" as a caddy at the Country Club, or had super connections for a job at the Mall, which paid at least double the minimum wage ($4). You might work at the Mall if you were in college, but most were career age in retail, 24-60 years old. Kids 15-19 worked at grocery stores and fast food (unless you had nepo connections). In these places you had Management and Maintenance people who were career. These people were paid well, and made up 10-20% of total staff.
Point being things had already devolved when you say "high school grads" were stuck working at McDs as a "career". That was the management team in the 90s, including store manager. McDs had their own "Burger U" in Illinois where they sent managers for serious training, like 4-8 weeks of school. Those "high school grads" you reference were at one point hoping to become management of the McDonalds, as all the real jobs were being sent overseas. Later maybe it was just desperation, and that was what you saw.
The term "entry level" did not apply to grocery stores or McDonalds (not sure if it even does now). That was "unskilled" labor. Entry level was a category of hiring into manufacturing primarily. Anywhere you have lots of people working, you can slice up the work and create this sort of position. People are advanced by their skill, and not paid much to start with, encouraging them to improve (or leave eventually). Its considered a fact that you don't know someone from interviews, unless that includes a work test (such as a welder). Just an opinion, but very little of the work that takes large crews, cannot be shipped to China for huge savings. Thus most jobs here are tight, small teams where every job requires someone competent, and there isn't spare work to even train someone with. We all know this from our own work today. The real "entry level" jobs left America in the 1990s. Now we need to "teach" employers the value of training again.
Y’all really didn’t notice when yall pull up that everyone is just older? Lol. Guess teenagers used to age fast back then
Yes. And your generation shipped those factories overseas and opened the border so that domestic factories are filled with illegal immigrants to the point where regular Americans don't even get interviewed for jobs there. Thanks for paying attention all those years Gen X and Boomers!
What even is a "career" anymore? Our careers are switching jobs every year to get a raise until we die accomplishing nothing along the way.
Jesus that’s brutally true
That's what I've been seeing so much is the satisfaction just dropping or not being reached by others when working for a business.
Weird, mine was window cleaning. But that wasn't valued so I became the owner of a window cleaning company.
Companies themselves do that, try to go public or get bought out. Having a career at a business isn't so simple when short term returns and finance scams are the rule.
For millennia, the lives of regular people were hard but were also filed with meaning with their community, public and religious celebrations, feasts, and shared purpose in shared faith and culture.
Just found a job that requires 10 years of experience plus another 3 years of experience in another field and a college degree. Pays 17$ an hour.
13 years of professional experience for 17$ an hour of an insane ask.
Sounds like a teaching job.
In all seriousness, that is a typical problem with some employers -- but that's par for the course. If you can't afford higher wage, but you need someone to do the job, at that point it's more charity work ("For the cause") rather than a typical "To make a living" job. It probably was something more aligned with the "I do this because I love the field not because I need the money."
Quick note: Teachers, in most states in the US, are paid dirt while requiring Masters Degree in Education & sometimes a PHD. The largest problem with teachers, especially today, is the massive cuts to spending public schools are required to do since we simply do not spend enough on our education systems. This can be easily rectified by taxing the wealthy and increasing important parts of our political structure, rather than "providing the wealthy more money".
The pun here was that teachers are typically paid that low, while requiring to take on massive mounds of debt.
@@itsJoshW My wife was a teacher (recently quit), and she would say 17$ is an amazing starting salary. I think she made 11$ an hour and moved up to 13$ before quiting. She has all the degrees and everything, too. Now she is a receptionist and makes way more.
Teachers get treated poorly, unfortunately. The job I was looking at was in the tech field.
Thats just above minimum wage in my state. That kind of requirement shouldn't pay anything less than 120k a year.
@@itsJoshWsame with professors except the top tier ones. They want doctorates just to get anywhere.
Go deliver pizza. You can make $15-20 in tips per hour, plus hourly wage plus mileage. At times, the driver makes $35 per hour. No experience required.
And it screws over the younger people. So many people have degrees but can’t get a job because the entry level at every place requires many years of experience. And then older generations have the audacity to call the younger generations lazy because they can’t get a decent entry level job. I have a friend who spent 3 years getting an engineering degree and he can’t get an entry level job because they require 5 years of experience. My dad was surprised when I said he had a degree and he was wondering why he wasn’t given an entry level position for his degree. They don’t understand how ridiculous it’s become. My mom was blown away when I said the same thing. I’m going to work towards getting a certificate for electrical work and there is a family friend who is willing to let me be an intern so I can get on the job training. If we weren’t family friends with him it would be near impossible for me.
Exactly. Any family or friend connections use them. I was always too prideful to ask for help. Even when are the ideal wishlist candidate, still use those connections. It’s like the old apprenticeship model with medieval politics. Should it be this way? Nope, but it often is.
Which is why colleges are the most overrated and traps people in debt. Thankfully I dodge the bullet. My family even told me to never go college because they never got the favorable job for years
Employers: Your resume is good, but we need you to have a lot of experience for this simple job that anyone with a day or two of training could do. You have none.
People: How is a person supposed to get experience if no one will give us a chance?
Employers: Not our problem.
You need to have 5 years minimum of experience working a mop at a fortune 500 to clean the wendy's toilet
In contrast, the team I’m working on wants to hire senior developers for junior level work.
It IS literally your problem! XD
Evil ONLY brings in mroe suffering. NO ONE among the living benefits from it
Also if you ran out of experienced people(which YOU WILL if you continue like this) you WILL RUN OUT. But then make sure to SHUT YOUR MOUTH about it
@@cosmicreef5858 Honestly, they say 3 years REQUIRED STRICTLY but then invite me for an interview knowing I am fresh out if highschool with nothing to my name.
They are lying, which is even more frustrating cause literally why would you do that.
It’s definitely a problem, I’m an analyst and my firm recently had a job posting for an “entry level analyst.” Just for fun I looked through the job description and ‘necessary skills section.’ They wanted someone with a bachelors preferably masters with 3 years experience, which made no sense to me. Looking through the job description I said to myself: “I rarely if ever do half of the shit that we’re deeming ‘required knowledge’ on this application. And I’m a Junior analyst.” Later on I thought to myself: “You know, realistically I can probably take a bright kid out of high school, train him for 4-6 months, and get him to do my job.”
Granted they’d have a TON to learn, but if they really put in the effort I think a recently graduated high schooler could do it. I think all the extra fluff companies put in their job openings is to hire experienced workers for minimal pay. I feel really bad for this new generation of college grads you guys are getting scammed imo.
What exactly are the skills that are actually necessary, if you don't mine me asking? College student, but I want to get into that role.
I've been volunteering at a nonprofit. I look at the executive director and keep thinking, "I can pluck a bright-eyed high school or college kid, help them troubleshoot situations as they come up, and that kid could be a good executive director in a few months." Probably not true in other nonprofits, but for this small one, I think it'd work. The current director seems like she hasn't had a regular job before. Knows how to do solo, short-term tasks, but no real ability to manage or coordinate with people on a level that you learn even just in school group work or your first couple of jobs. Turned out she has an MA in administration and spent 15 years working in nonprofits. Goes to show how much having a rigid personality can make your qualifications pointless and an eager personality with little experience is a good alternative.
Can I apply?
@@adiranajavits2075 Postgresql
That's basically it...
I'd love to get the chance to learn a godam life skill, but if you step one toe into service jobs suddenly it's the only job people think you can do.
It's rough out here...
Speaking as a 29yo with a bachelor's in Horticulture, who's had my degree for years and gotten no jobs in the field despite trying and trying then moving to WA foe more opportunity for working in my Field.
The only reason it says "entry level" is because they want to hire you at well below what you're worth. Or they want to make it seem like they're hiring, usually in an attempt to give disillusioned workers hope as well as make the company look better to stock holders.
That's just not even remotely accurate -- it's the opposite. They would legitimately prefer someone with experience already getting paid that wage so they don't need to spend tens of thousands to fire that person 3 months later because they couldn't do the job appropriately. They would rather "pay a little more" to get someone experienced in the door. And that doesn't mean they wouldn't take the person with no experience but schooling -- it just means the person with "no experience and schooling" should actually know what they're applying for -- judging by these comments, they literally have no idea what they're applying for.
Hell, a number of 'programmers' here think they can bypass help desk work and go "straight to coding" as if a person graduating from culinary school will skip by becoming a Sous Chef while never having experience in a kitchen.
@@itsJoshWEvery time I read a comment of yours it's so aggressively wrong 😂
Wow now that is scummy.
@@itsJoshWNo need arguing with you when you're THIS objectively wrong. As much as you don't wanna believe this or wanna ignore it, companies ARE as scummy as people here are saying they are, and they will exploit everything they can in a way that doesn't get them in legal trouble. That's just how the world is buddy, sorry
@@itsJoshW "They would legitimately prefer someone with experience already getting paid that wage" They have to pay a lot more though mate, not the same.
My grandpa was a college drop out and got an entry level position at JCPenny. ButJCPenny wanted mangers for their stores and warehouses, and was willing to promote people from those entry level positions. Today he is retired and had a fulfilling career as a JCPenny manger. Times have definitely changed, this video reflects that.
Now obly nepo babies/friends with 0 experience get that spot
I’m at a point in my job search that is extremely frustrating: I have all the experience they claim to want, but I still can’t land a job. The real jobs are either lowballing immediately or they pretend to have a high starting pay and then immediately tell you during the interview that the “starting pay” is actually much lower and you won’t get what was promised. I’m sick of it.
Same (I also meet or exceed all the expected experience req's). I've sent out 15x more applications in the past seven months than I ever have the rest of my entire life combined. Two callbacks in month one, they picked someone else, but it gave me false hope that I'd have more success in the following weeks. Since then I've received two "thank you for your interest but we've filled the position" emails. The rest went completely unanswered.
Funny thing though: the number of scam calls and texts I receive has increased exponentially. And more often than not, they're from scammers claiming to be recruiting. I wonder exactly how many hours I've wasted giving out my contact information to data-miners through fake job listings?
@@lillianmoon4573 Not even fake job listings, the morons who opened your applications almost certainly have malware ridden computers.
I feel you. I spent thousands on a degree in 2007 and been struggling trying to get my foot in the door ever since. Best way of breaking into the industry is by who you know.
There are no jobs mate. Welcome.to 2008
Even worse when they say the job is full time but then in the interview they say it’s actually part time :/
As a former CS prof, I began teaching the career application process with my students as freshmen, not juniors or seniors. Nor did I leave it to the "Career Services Department". I talked to them about how to write a resume, how to dress, how to talk, etc. In addition, our department had an advisory board made up with the major IT companies in our area who told us what they were looking for . We invited these companies to come speak to a class once a semester as to why our students would want to work at the company, and each student had to bring a resume to attend. As such, I had students being hired directly into these companies as paid interns after their freshman year. Too often, profs think their job is over at the end of class or it's someone else's job to prepare the students. But if your students aren't being hired, why are they attending your college?
I was so grateful to hear this comment! This is proof there are “helpers” as Mr Rogers’ would say. Thank you for what you do and for helping so many young minds. You provide more good than I’m sure you’ve ever gotten credit for
@@DamonCassidy This professor is so much better than my phlebotomy class. They auto-emailed me a link to indeed nine months post-certification and said, ‘here’s some extra resources!’ I had already been scouring indeed for months. Every entry-level position required one year of acute care experience, preferred 2-5, and paid minimum. One place even required that the applicant be a phlebotomist, nurse, and clinical lab scientist all in one, for the low price of $39/hr. I applied anyway. No answers. So when that link came, and they asked how I was doing, I yelled that I AM NOT DOING WELL AT ALL. I AM VERY POOR AND NO ONE IS HIRING.
I should add, I have a year of experience in the medical field, two biology degrees, post-grad clinical lab training, and several certificates for first aid, life support, etc. Nothing I do is ever good enough.
The school I graduated from has long posted job placement results and salary for all fields of study, including summer students. If a university is not posting what their graduates are getting paid and what percentage have jobs after graduating they are hiding their head in the sand.
When I retired I tried to get a job at a hardware store. I tried applying at every store around me, but nobody would hire me because I didn’t have retail experience. But I have re-plumbed, rewired and remodeled my last home, I knew my way around hardware and building supplies. 🤷🏻 I was just dumbfounded.
Yeah, it's wild. I have 10 years of industrial electromechanical and hvac places offer me entry level and 17hr
Your real problem: You aren't personable and you lack the ability to relearn what you said.
I have replumbed, rewired, and remodeled my current home. and did the hvac, ran network drops vapor barrier, drywalled, tiled and hardwood floored, created my own tile shower, built my own cabinets, did siding and roofing, and repaired concrete and poured an entirely new driveway. I also laid the foundation for my 2 car garage that houses my heavily modified Nissan.
And I work in IT, not even remotely those career paths. I wouldn't put any of those on my resume for working at Walmart, let alone my current IT job.
None of that is relevant.
What's relevant for what you're, most likely applying for, is "Hello, how can I help you today". If you are incapable of doing such a simple task, the problem is "you" and your demeaner, or more likely, your age.
Unless you answered "Punch him in the face" to the question "How do you handle a disgruntled employee", it's nearly impossible to not get a retail job. My felon sister has gotten retail jobs, and she's literally almost un-hirable.
The worst part is really what they want is a stocker. Not someone that buys the material, gets licensed, bonded, and does the job. Customers want this option, but the retailer is going to be totally against an employee contracting themselves for this purpose. The word of mouth from this shall lead to more customers, and more sales. What the retailer is going to base their decision on is some percieved liability that your going to handle anyways.
@@itsJoshW HR incel detected.
@@petercao1671Lmao where is incel coming from?
My girl(29) has had a job since she was 15, BS Electrical Engineering, knows how to code in multiple coding languages, and has 2 years of unpaid professional experience. We have been looking for her a job for about a year as programer/developer(in any industry) and have yet to get a single job interview...
Now it's time to start paying student loans, but there are no positions that even let her interview that has a salary compared to what she already makes as a bartender. The job market is an absolute nightmare...
Just bullshit your way through the experience part. They want bullshit requirements, they are gonna get bullshit answers. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Use friends as references.
If companies want to do this cutthroat bs and treat workers as disposable, it's our responsibility as workers to do the same.
Why look for a dev position? That’s asking to be unemployed.
Well, according to some boomers in these comments, your daughter just lacks life skills and is behind society on the skills required for the job bro.
There is one minor reason as well: this really took off after 2008 specifically and you know what happened in 2008? We had a recession meaning there were now a lot of overqualified people out of work trying to apply to entry level jobs and companies showed favor for these applicants both because of employees needing little to no training but also because companies often found older applicants more agreeable personality wise; less likely to be disruptive, often having similar political values, less likely to rock the boat, etc. So companies started ramping up these requirements in order to filter out people with little to no experience.
2008 was when I first started looking for a job while in high school. I remember reading postings for dishwashers requiring 3 years of experience. Most of my jobs Ive gotten through knowing someone or meeting face to face to try and bypass the system.
And the shadows of the boomers continues to be felt to this day... because who was in charge leading up to that recession... boomers..... and who were the overqualified individuals being sought after with similar values.....BOOMERS!😂
@@Not-Apsounds like you've identified the secret. Imatate how boomers act, dress, and think. It would explain why the successful gen z i incounter try to look really old! 😅
@@KzaksI mean if you dress professional and act professional you will be treated like one, if you dress like the modern gen z does you will get no respect. That’s how it’s always been gen z just hasn’t been picking up. They are trying to implement their way of life into the work force and no one is going to put up with that.
The 2008 recession was caused by corrupt banking practices . . . Not by a generation of people. Anyway, the problem for most jobseekers today is the willingness of HR to outsource these positions.
They want to pay an entry level salary for a senior level skill set 😂
yeah no
Society won't give you a job and then complain when you decide to abstain from forming a family.
no they just import your replacements for jobs and life lol
Ngl it doesn't surprise me how bad its is given it took me 11 MONTHS to find an entry level job when I moved out, up to the point that the job bureau I applied to (to help find me a job due to nothing getting back to me); had kept asking me why I wasn't able to get a job despite being qualified for the hundreds of applications I applied for
This is going to cause massive brain drain over time. If you only ever hire people who are already trained, and so does everyone else eventually you will run out of qualified people and then having zero experience the people will have to learn from step 1 when you could previously mentored them so they're several steps ahead.
This has started happening in the machining industry in the US wherein there's a huge cohort of Boomers reaching retirement age. It's largely due to offshoring and automation gradually reducing the number of machinists that the industry required, leading to a paucity of entry level positions and a loss of apprenticing opportunities.
I'm losing brain cells reading some of these comments.
1) Your "training" is college/university & certifications.
2) Your "training" for entry level professional jobs is knowing basic understanding of the career you're applying for
3) Your "training" shouldn't be supplied by an employer, that's like insinuating that a person working help desk should have a trainer for 6 months to teach them how to reset a Windows password because they never used a computer before until then.
The problem exists where people simply don't want to learn the required material before applying for a professional job, and then expect everyone to "teach them", for months on end, for how to do basic simple things they should have learned for 4+ years in University + the certifications expected of them to obtain.
Instead, who is complaining is the typical worker who blames everyone else for their failure in life, while they ride their middle-class parents income to failure.
@@spankeyfish I'm not even going to touch how that is not a professional "entry level" jobset, nor is that a job that requires schooling.
That's the same type of job as a Drywaller. Not every job is trained that way, nor is every job equally as unique to the company at hand. I know first hand that machining can range anywhere from hand-tooling all the way to using a CNC. Your typical entry level professional job, let's say Human Resources, isn't going to "range". It's going to be basic foundational information you learned through schooling, and either it's a "failure of the school" or "failure of the student" for not understanding this source material.
Particularly, my field (IT), About a decade ago I worked with someone who didn't know what an "ethernet cable" was (pronounced it ether - net) and had a bachelors in computer sciences. He couldn't figure out how to open Task Manager, nor did he know what a "Service" was. But he could write code in C++.
And that's the failure of schooling -- Where you teach someone only a small portion of what is important for the job field, you focus on this small segment of the workforce, and you insinuate "it's the only thing that matters" to the students, of which then the employers view these people as unemployable because they simply do not know the source material being asked of them. They don't know how to do basic tasks, they don't know how to do basic parts of the job, and they cannot "learn on the fly" because they haven't shown the potential of doing this from the resume, nor potential screening or interview.
The problem exists where half the people applying for the entry level jobs, either do not have experience understanding the basic foundation of the job being asked (aka, what schooling and certifications were suppose to do), and then they blame the employers for having "too high of an expectation" while they demand everyone to dumb down everything to catch them up to speed, something they failed to do while spending loads of money doing so (and still refusing to do).
And the other half is afraid of failure and simply got rejected to one job and now is an incel to the work culture they applied for, and blames every employer/hiring manager/worker for being rejected to one job, rather than realizing that they applied to a posting that was months old and already filled within 1 week of the job being posted.
Your highest success chances are applying within the first hour of the job posting, knowing the material you're being asked of for the job you're applying for (hence experience, schooling is relevant experience), and knowing how to appropriately tackle the task at hand.
But most employers would literally take someone with no schooling, but knows exactly how to do the job, over someone who completed a Bachelors who hasn't retained a single thing they learned in university.
@@itsJoshW Sure you can have that stance, just you have to acknowledge that stance has consequences that will be pair for eventually. It's like deferring maintenance indefinitely, you save some money in the short term but in the long term you're likely to encounter a far more expensive disaster.
@@itsJoshWyou’re dreaming if you think that a college degree is enough to get by in many fields in the modern day. Also, it was perfectly normal to be trained by employers in the past.
Im overqualified for my entry level welding job, $23ph doing the easiest shit i ever done in my life. no prep no fabrication no heavy lifting just welding. A highschool kid could do it yet they demand at least 5 years experience.
tbf welding has a decently high risk factor associated with it. The higher wage is to offset that risk, and the 5 year experience is to demand safety more than anything.
It is still ludicrous that they could instead mandate a safety procedures examination, but instead assume that someone working for 5 years will do good.
I'm forklift operator and every warehous in area I work in needs operators but problem is that all of them are looking only for people with experience as operators (2-5 years), so people are just jumping from one warehouse to another one across the street. And of course all of them are willing to pay only slightly over minimal wage and give some really low monthly bonus (and if rumors are true most people in most warehouses aren't even getting them because they are cut for some small mistakes).
@@kadarak1 its the same in my region of California, standard is $2 above min wage and you accidentally knock over a pallet of materials or tap a shelf? Too bad fired, next person.
@@UltLuigi1Because they are lazy, and often don't even have proper training periods as stated in the video.
@@UltLuigi1 to refute this, my highschool literally had a welding class available as an elective
"entry-level" means will pay you like you have no experience BUT expect you to have 4+years of experience
Precisely!
i expect you to have a brain or no business with your company
Deal? Deal.
*> offers salaries 50% below market rate*
*> makes applicants go through 4 interviews*
*> HR never follows up*
Companies: nO 0Ne wAntS to WoRk aNym0Re!!!1!!!! 😭😭😭😭
I work in manufacturing and know this problem very well. Employers don't want to hire young people without experience and train them on the job, and then complain that no one wants to work. Yes, guys over 45 with years of experience and a laundry list of skills don't want your low paying "entry level" job. This is ridiculous! Until recently, I was the youngest employee in our company, I am 46, and our maintenance guy is 67 years old! We now have a new owner and new management and have finally hired 3 people ranging in age from nineteen to early twenties and started training them. This is an improvement, but the absolute majority of our employees are still well over forty. We don't have enough trained people to replace our retirees.
this is actually scary for the future. These jobs are really important but we are going to have a gap in workers which will put us behind other countries that don't have our weird hiring practices. There is going to be a lot of lost knowledge in that gap.
A company that is trying to go out of business. I walked out with 20+ years of specialized knowledge that my employer can’t replace, as it required in-depth knowledge of the algorithms of a 50k+ line program plus advanced PhD level knowledge in the field. I learned from the original developer and long time maintainer of that program. After 20+ years being at the same level and bypassed by all the young kids it was obvious management couldn’t understand the value of knowledge and skills so I left. Within one year they had a problem that they couldn’t solve.
@trivalentclan-mizar9591 Unfortunately, our company is not the exception, but rather the rule. Many employers don't want to bother training young people without prior experience while experienced workers are getting closer and closer to the retirement age. During COVID, we almost went under, not because of COVID restrictions, but because four of our old employees decided it was the right time to retire. We couldn't find anyone to replace them. We only survived because the other employees had years of experience and were trained to do multiple jobs.We had a lot of overtime, much more than we wanted, and we have a new management now, but we survived.
@@trivalentclan-mizar9591 and then what?
I was just thinking about this, if companies are refusing to hire ppl in their early to mid 20s what are they gonna do when they need to replace those who retire and the ppl who are still working there need help lmaooo
Most companies simply lack the ability or willingness to train young/inexperienced workers.
They don't train older employees who are new to an industry, either.
@@istvantoth7431 Kinda ironic that all corporations now highlight their commitment against discrimination especially against age for example.
It's a systemic crisis: hopping jobs in the fastest way to start earning more. Therefore all decent workers will leave your company in few years leaving you at loss. We need a whole cultural shift.
How do you train someone work that they should have been trained on during their 4 year college degree & 1+ year of certification that they did not do properly? Lol. Yeah, that's the solution. Pay entry-level even lower, spend more money on "trainers" to teach people the work they should have learned before applying to the jobs. Good solution.
They don't need to train employees. The people applying for the job should know the material that is being asked for the job in question...or maybe we reform the University to not just be cheaper, more affordable and not profit-driven, but also teach students how to actually do the work? Potentially with, idk maybe this little thing that used to be required called "internship"? Or maybe we should consider, idk just spitballing here, providing certifications at local colleges such that people have no excuse to have "no experience"?
@@itsJoshWI see people say what you do but different industries and sub industries have greatly varying requirements, customers and technology requirements.
For example let's say I study engineering. I could go to school studying FPGAs, network and protocol theory, high power systems etc.. They require a different set of sharpened skills even though at the core they are based on fundamental electrical physics. So in school we learn fundamentals and some applications. The job is required to teach you what is needed for their customers etc...
Believe it or not the more advanced and varied a field is the more on the job training is needed because there are more possibilities as to how the work is done to fit certain niches. No school can give you that. It can only enable you to learn fast and have the prerequisites to pick things up. Think algebra before calculus.
As a Boomer worker, i wish to apologize on behalf of our generation for the greedy corporations run by boomers. Don't resent the workers who had nothing to do with the greed at the top.
The generations after us got a raw deal.
Thankyou 🎉 something has to be said as it's ripping the fabric of society 😢
It's not just greed but stupidity too. Companies lose profits over this hiring madness as well. For some reason most of managers don't understand that most time and money dedicated to hiring shall be spent within the company: to investigate which kind of skillset do we actually need, instead of pestering candidates with BS interviews for hours. No one needs a worker who knows how to answer "how do you see yourself in 5 years?" perfectly, business needs a person to solve a specific problem.
Hey @CundaliniWantsHisHandBack,
As someone of personal agency who made your own decisions, I think it's fair to say you aren't responsible for the world as it turned out, only the part you played.
My generation is not better than yours, we simply have a different environment to contend with.
Still, thanks for your sympathy. It's comforting! :D
Yup
I don't blame any person for doing things to benefit themselves and their families.
I only get angry when those people who got the advantages turn around and make fun of those who didn't.
Yeah, I'm thinking it's over for the 16-22 year olds who didn't study their field from the age of 7
even if you make it past the filter, they just don't read the resume. They scan over looking for keywords for literally less than 10 seconds and base everything on that. It's absurd
they aren't paid enough to give the resume a proper look
@@UltLuigi1 Honestly, they were probably hired onto the job by someone who scanned over their resume for less than 10 seconds looking for keywords and based their hiring decision on that.
You can use that to your advantage it by using the key words in the job posting itself. Just figure out a way to insert them in a sentence that applies to you. You don't have to use all of them. Or the other way is to use AI to write the application using the keywords. 😂 Then it's just AI reading AI made applications
Worse - I've gotten in convos with people that will barely read resumes (their job) and then blame the applicant for the formatting or some other BS for why they didn't do their job.
I remember I saw a video on this! The RUclipsr was Jerry Lee, and he did this video where he hired recruiters to look over dummy resumes while secretly recording their eye movements with a tracking program. It showed that most recruiters spend an average of seven seconds max looking at each resume, and it's usually just a quick skim of your name and the list of jobs you've worked in the past.
The one problem I have with this video:
The problems you describe have been going on for close to 20 years.
And I sincerely doubt that scale of failure can be attributed to "just a few inexperienced people in a few sectors."
Why train staff when you can poach staff? Businesses have pissed themselves to stay warm for ages and forgotten it would get cold😂
He points out the problems wonderfully in the video, but then proceeds to undersell the impact of the corporation and oversell the responsibility of the individual.
True, but they got worse and worse over time. Today it’s most companies that do this crap.
A lot of liberal critics of capitalism fail to see the flaws of capitalism, he can't see a solution to his problem because to him the problem isn't the economic model, but the people using it. As such, he can't recommend a political change or government regulation that will address these issues.
Companies are encouraged to make a profit at the expense of many things, including nurturing the next generations of workers. Sure its more profitable long term to have skilled workers but its more profitable short term to refuse mentoring the current inexperienced pool of workers to just chase people who already know what to do.
@@PropagandaConsoomer He is overselling the responsibility of the individual because it is the only meaningful way you as an individual can get your chances up.
College degree be like aight they’ll look at you but they won’t actually hire you. 😂
Well yah, cause no one smart actually says a degree guarantees employment right away.
@@emilyau8023 public school teachers tell their students that they’ll be more successful with a degree. Also that they can be whatever they want to be
@user-jc2ng2xd9n
It's supposed to encourage students to go out into the world 🌎 and Conquer their dreams. 😂
Someone dreams of flying and invented airplane ✈️
Someone dreams of going to the moon 🌙 and invented rockets 🚀
Someone dreams of being a high quality chef 👩🍳 and makes a 5 star restaurant.
This is what it means.
I encourage you to do likewise. Dreams can come true 👍 and we all benefit.
It's not any better if you have experience but no degree. I managed to get a job at a company though a personal connection as a software dev. I'm self taught, I don't have a degree in anything. I held that job for 5 years before I was laid off due to cut backs.
No company will even glance at me because I don't have a degree.... even though I've been doing the job for 5 years already and won't need to be taught how to do basic things like a college grad would.
@@IDKThatOneDude that rly sucks
I love applying to tech jobs and seeing that they require 5+ years of experience in a technology/software that hasn’t existed for more than 1-2 years. For entry level jobs. 🙄
10:05 lol I just saw this part and that’s exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about
The requirements for ANY “entry level” job should be:
1. Can speak, read, and write in fluent (insert language of locality here).
2. Can perform basic math (add, subtract, multiply, and divide) WITHOUT A CALCULATOR.
3. Will show up on time and actually work.
I admit, I have trouble with that 2nd one. Hence, why we have calculators (and computers)!
Cool, those jobs exist. It's called not "professional entry level". Your typical retail, hospitality, plumbing, electricians, drywallers, construction workers, etc.
My 27 year old Niece just got a job at Target where they literally asked her simple questions, like "What do you do if someone gets an attitude with you" and the multiple choice selection had 3 obviously wrong answers and one "You politely call over a manager to deal with it".
It also asked if they can read fluent english, write fluently, perform basic math skills, and show up on time and do work.
That's not "entry level", that's just a basic job.
@@itsJoshW What with all the hoopla people are talking about with trying to get into white collar professional jobs these days, at least those non-retail trades are looking better and better every day. Not GREAT pay, but not bad either from what I hear. (And if you can't even get into "entry-level" for the white collar jobs, what's the point?) I wonder if they put you through the same nonsense to become an apprentice in blue collar work?
@@ebinrock I'll be blunt with you -
"Non-Skilled Labor" (Hate that term), is retail, fast food, etc; These jobs only require you to at least somewhat comprehend English, expect you to do basic math, and expect you to come up/show up to wok each day.
- The only requirement for getting the job is answering 20-questions that are basic morality, such as "would you steal if given the chance" or "if someone yelled at you, do you respond by a. politely calling a manager, b. punching them in the face".
- These jobs are easy to get, and "not getting it" symbolizes you're incapability of being a generic normal Human being, or applying to something that should have been closed since they already filled the position (applying too late)
"Skilled" Labor (Hate this term), or basic Trades jobs (Plumbing, Electrical, Carpentry, Tiler, Drywaller, Laborer; Facilities workers, Construction workers, etc) expect you to understand basic math, understand some English, show up to work each day, and come prepared with basic tools and appropriate clothing.
- The only requirement is applying and taking the time to learn the trade
- There are stupid requirements to get into Unions for some of them, which provide far more benefits
- Potential of upward pay faster, but you're capped at still lower pay, like 80k max typical
- Schooling/education is required to advance further beyond this cap
"Educated" Labor, or "Entry Level Professional Jobs", require you first to understand the basis of the job you're applying for, or the basic foundation of the career path in order to get the job. This includes having at minimum "either" Schooling (2-4+ years) with certifications and experience from Internship (requirement for schooling usually), or equal experience to this schooling. With, in addition, an understanding of the topics from that job in particular.
- The requirements are loose but confined, at the very least, to where the employer isn't spending months training someone that, otherwise, was trained
- Expects the employee applying to apply themselves to move upwards either in the company or the career path, expects the employee to use this as a temporary job to step up
- Schooling/Education was not mandatory, but some form of experience was, which includes schooling, of which this particular job is not designed to pay a lot but is designed as a stepping stone to jobs that pay more.
In IT at least, the reason why so many people misunderstand this is because they see stupid job listings for $80,000 for "Software Engineer I" and think "omg wow entry level" and see +5 years experience, while they bypass over "Help Desk" which also requires "Either schooling or 2+ years of equivalant experience" which may pay $19/hr, or 35-40k a year. And they don't understand basic IT work, as they focused almost all of their time doing "programming" (not realizing that programs interact with systems administration, network administration, software implementation teams, database teams, deployment teams, etc) and are entirely left dry on both accounts.
Then they "blame everyone else" for them hyper-focusing rather than realizing it's a byproduct of them not understanding the field since the schools did a sh** job doing that, too.
These jobs do exist, and they actually make number 1 and 2 optional. The problem with those jobs is they are literally nothing jobs that don't lead anywhere.
Fast food, retail, call centers, sales, customer service.
The problem is, if you work in one of these for years while going to school to get a degree in what you want to actually do (like my parents told me to do), none of that work experience means anything. It's just clutter on your resume and it's probably better just to leave it off.
There's no more of the "Work your way up from the bottom". You can't come in as the janitor and work your way out of being the janitor. One of newer companies I worked for had a policy that employees do not get promotions out of their field. You get to be a Worker 1, 2, 3 or Worker Sr. If you want to be more than that go somewhere else because they physically did not allow you to switch or get trained to be something else.
It's especially heinous when they could just train someone that studied in their field for a couple of weeks (likely less), and they would be able to do 80%-90% of the role within a few months(likely less). They get the perfect employee, and the job seeker gets to have a job to live and grow.
But they want to suppress wages and squeeze all of the juice out of a dying, dry lemon.
Absolutely right! Have to get every last drop
Exactly. They don't want human beings with thoughts and feelings, they want robots that perfectly do whatever their corporate overlords tell them to with no benefit to themselves.
@@Youhadabadday2021school was invented to mold children into good little workers. Look up the rockafellers book on the american schooling system he litteraly says this. And it hasnt changed atall. What has changed is gen z and some millennials are so fed up with the bs that we have been the first generation to actually see due to the internet and most of us refuse to die workint
I think the biggest tell with today's job market is that if you aren't already in a clique or able to benefit from networking or nepotism, you're not even a dime a dozen. Only question is if anything will make that change or if we'll see the rise of an even bigger gig economy where only higher-tier people move onward and upward while everyone else is given less because they often aren't in a position to ask for more.
Took me 9 months to get hired on as a substitute teacher in my city. A friend was offered a full time contract the day she graduated, from her old high school.
It's 10000% nepotism.
It truly sucks for people who are introverted and not fake.
"if you aren't already in a clique or able to benefit from networking or nepotism, you're not even a dime a dozen"
That's just not a thing. Sure, it is if you're super wealthy, but if you're not super wealthy and are working (as a typical worker), finding an entry level job is as easy as clicking apply on Indeed, ZipRecruiter or Monster. It's not like it's rocket science to apply to the job, the issue truly is "after" and "what" you're applying for.
Reading the couple hundred or so comments thus far, almost everyone thinks that mid-level is "entry level" and that they are entitled to entirely bypassing entry level, and that "mid level & entry level should train you to do the job", entirely dismissing the point of why they went 4+ years to school, went through a required internship, etc.
That being said, the number 1 actual idea of "how to get a job fast" is to be one of the first few dozen to apply, and have a concise, simple and easy-to-read resume that isn't bloated or graphically overwhelming. It would bullet point the, predominantly, "Relevant Experience" that was provided to you via Schooling & Internships or relative experience learning through certifications, etc.
That being said, "networking" is almost as useless as saying "I need a linkedin". None of these are relevant, my own linkedin is a troll account that I have never been asked about (Literally) and I've never once used "networking" in my 10+ years in IT, to find a job. The "networking" aspect is predominantly for investment/wealthier individuals looking for others to gamble their money, rather than typical normal people looking for work. (no offense, but this is something so many people don't understand: Investors care about networking, regular people do not have millions of play-money). Moreover, finding a job through "networking", especially as a typical normal person (networking with other typical normal people), you're more likely to find people looking to exploit your experience, knowledge, or understanding for financial gain, or in many cases, simply will not hire you "just because" they know you.
"if we'll see the rise of an even bigger gig economy where only higher-tier people move onward and upward while everyone else is given less because they often aren't in a position to ask for more."
Well, "gig" economy is effectively the exploitative economy. This sort of work exists for the idea that people need additional work in order for their life to stay afloat living in areas with high living costs. People who work standard gig-economy jobs don't choose to work 3 jobs "because it'll make them successful", they are required to in order to live in the area they so choose to, and maintain a lifestyle they so choose to. That being said, this isn't to say that we won' see a potential rise in entertainment industry, like we already have in the past 5 years -- with Twitch, RUclips, and various adult-oriented entertainment sites, many have turned to alternative methods of income in order to obtain success. That is the discrepancy, however, as if there's 100 people to do this, I'd argue less than 10 actually can live off it independent from a job within a year. Many forget that the numerous large names you see in the Gaming industry today were "doing what they did" for over 10 years as a second job before hitting success, and many lump this into "gig economy" without acknowledging how many people work for Uber, or a delivery agency, or do hustle-work in order to just make the months rent.
That directly being said, that isn't professional work. That's non-professional services or engineering to which the person is obtaining a basic task that is taught and repeating it for the sake of the job. In the premise of "professional entry level", the reason so many can't getting it, especially of the current younger generation, is due to the failure of the universities teaching appropriate classes/course for the work (of entry level), and a cloud around getting into each career path from the start. People, before the recent years, learned through Trial & Error, and today there is minimal room for "trial & error" since hundreds of people are applying for these jobs.
- Know the required source material to obtain the entry level job, via schooling, certification, and relative internship from schooling (or previous entry level job)
- Apply within hours of job opening to increase chances of Interview
- Learn how to adjust your resume to be concise, straight forward, and bullet point driven around your knowledge & skills
- Apply for every entry-level position, not just "6 because it's just so hard". Just click apply to hundreds. And don't stop until you accepted an offer.
It's that simple. And the problem is an entire generation of younger adults just aren't doing that because they aren't taught things that were, before, taught through trial and error -- something that we don't have today, as we removed many of this practice in order to streamline hiring.
The issue 'people' appear to have is that they aren't 'experienced enough', meanwhile they either never went to school (for the job being applied for), never actually learned the material (for the job they applied for), or don't want to put in the effort to actually succeed because failure is the first step to success, and they can't accept failure.
This! I’m on the spectrum so networking is close to impossible for me.
Its going to get much worse wich is going to lead to more violence as resources become impossible to get and people begin a purge of thier own when the vessel can't contain the pressure anymore more likely through some type of civil war since people are so devided against each other from all the social programming being done through all media
17:36 former recruiter here. Coming from a Fortune 500 investment firm and computer engineering recruiting.
We used an ATS called Oracle, all of the job postings were handwritten and the resumes were manually reviewed by hand, we would only skip resumes that ignored the clear instructions for resume structure. From there, for engineering recruiting, if their resume had the bare minimum requirement for skill/education, we’d complete a technical skills interview, where the interviewer would provide them a task and a time limit to code in their language of choice (that fit the role) and from there they’d make assessments and decide whether the candidate would get full interviews.
A lot was correct here, especially now that more roles are being written by generative learning models and people try to innovate with this half baked system into modern workforces because it allows companies to cut jobs, but I also think this “ai” integration is going to be stopped by any company with sense, as clearly it’s been hindering the process
The term “company with sense,” made me chortle
@@ZackIsCody2024 can’t say you’re remotely incorrect there
It is scary to think that algorithms and AI are now in control of whether you will be able to find work to survive. I guess that is one silver lining regarding being 67 now. I don’t have to play that game.
You got out good, I just got a job with Macy's and they freaking let AI make their damn schedules!
I mean you could if you become short on money.
It's already tough enough trying to navigate this now at 27. I can't imagine what it'll be like when my now 3 month old son is my age. I hope we figure this all out, for the sake of those in the future.
@@peachesscales4782 Is that a problem? Computers are good at scheduling. They aren't good for hiring though, unless the AI is deeply integrated in the company workflow so it could "comprehend" which kind of skill they need.
@alexmin4752 Not when you can't fix your availability cause they've blocked out near all days from being picked for a day off. I got screwed out of my vacation and they refused to fix it.
I've been looking for literal bottom tier work for the last year and nobody is calling me back for it. I've had my resume looked at my professionals, I've put out so many applications since October of last year. It's absolutely crap. I've seen the jobs I've applied for *REPOSTED* many times over. Ghost jobs are real, despite what everyone else wants to tell me. Small towns in the south suck to live in but I can't get enough money to frieakin' move.
The video is excellent though, I appreciate all the research you do into all of these issues.
What is bottom tier?
Funny enough, try going for a level above what you're applying for. It's how I have the job I have now.
Ghost jobs is a real thing and it always bugged me.
Don't get your resume looked at by a professional. They are not AI. Companies use AI to filter out resumes first. Uses AI to scan the job posting for keywords. Then put those in your resume.
@@emilyau8023not 'bottom tier', but 'literal bottom tier', meaning if it was work on a 🚢 ship, he would be in the hull, not above deck. In a multi story office building, only in the basement or ground floor.
As a hiring manager for several different positions, my biggest frustration is that i am not allowed to see all of the applications, even though I have asked to. HR will not send me them so i miss about 50% of ppl who apply.
What about the people that come in with paper resumes and/or applications? Have they ever had a chance to get the job? I sure haven't.
Ummm…. Why??
@@Ewillum never seen one
@@ilovenycsomuch they just say its automated and “how we do it”
What would you suggest for beginners to do?
I got rejected from a local grocery store for a cart pushing job. The world is a crazy mess. They expect me to have 6 years of experience at 17.
He’s talking about white collar work, but this attitude has even penetrated the lowest paying jobs now. I saw an ad for a cashier at a Dollar General asking for 3 years experience. They are trying to raise unemployment levels to give themselves more bargaining power.
I thought about becoming a volunteer firefighter to help the community. They want me to go to school and basically get a degree in fire fighting. Not worth my time and the new breed of fire firefighters lack commonsense
That's wild AF. Why does a cashier need even 3 seconds experience????
@@pspmaster2071 they don’t. Again, they are inflating unemployment numbers to increase financial desperation so that more people will accept worse conditions and less pay.
@@pspmaster2071Cause it's likely not a "cashier". They will have you doing managerial duties 2 weeks in at cashier pay to see if you will fight back and waste your time. I'm not kidding. (I live in a poor area with poor friends see this happen all the time).
@@brettcatterall7761"Not worth my time and the new breed of fire firefighters lack commonsense"
Indeed-- albeit Emergency! (that 70s NBC medical/action series) was from Hollywood, at least the firefighters and paramedics at fictional Station 51 in L.A. County actually came across quite competent for the time.
I was on a team tasked with hiring entry-level support staff. Our first round resulted with zero applicants getting past the AI resume filter. We then challenged and revised the description and qualifications needed. We eventually narrowed down the “requirements” by half based on what the support staff person actually would be doing on a daily basis vs a “wishlist” of skills wanted. We ended up with dozens of applicants. Since then, we only list a few requirements that are absolutely necessary and then expect to train in-house on any other needed skills. This has been working really well.
In-house training also bypasses the understated issue of unlearning inefficient or incorrect processes/practices from previous workplaces. IMO, it’s much easier to train someone how to do something correctly from the beginning than to correct something that they have learned the wrong way.
I work in IT support. I went back to school to get a Computer Science degree in part because they seem to be a requirement for most IT positions even though it's for all intents and purposes a software development degree. When I graduated I found that my previous industry experience didn't seem to matter when looking for entry level developer jobs. I eventually went back to a support job although I was turned down a few times for being "over qualified". The end result is that I'm making about the same as I was making ten years ago with 85k of student loans that I seem to only be paying the interest on. I'm not trying to make any point here and I have no advice to give. This is just the first place I've come across where I felt like I could share my story.
I feel like IT support usually has little to nothing to do with development.
Usually it's to solve little user errors.
@@etuanno This was my point. My Computer Science curriculum was all software development related, but just about any support or admin role requires it now. I would have had to get it eventually to keep my job. It would have been nice to actually use the knowledge I acquired though.
The biggest traps of college is the idea you need X prestigious university and the idea of paying for room and board. Just go to your local college and learn the information. Grab whatever job you can in your field, suck it up for a few years, and aim for those higher positions. Your few years of being in a professional job are not about getting where you want right away, its about proving to the working world you don't suck at being part of the working world while learning/polishing your skills for bigger things. Paying 85k for the same information you could have paid 1/5th as much for is just throwing away your money. The ROI on the superior degree is terrible. And honestly, going to college while also working will way better prepare you for the working world than having a full ride at college ever will. You learn alot of soft skills and oganization and responsibility and time management and etc that college alone will not teach you. And even if you're just gonna go to college while living with your parents to lower the costs it still helps keep your more accountable because you're parents are right there.
I feel bad for you that you got hoodwinked by college into getting 85k in loans. Honestly it should have been your parents job to advise you against that. As a young kid you don't have the experience to know better, working adults definitely should know better. TBH my advice is suck it up and rent a single room going into a roomate situation and do what you can to get your car paid off and your monthly costs as low as possible. I live in Austin and can build up money on 43k a year with 1,300 a month rent. If I went into a roomate situation I could get that rent down to 700-900. (I did it during COVID when I needed to) so that's a 600-400 dollar a month difference right there. Most people can easily trim down their monthly expenses by like 30%+, often without really affecting their QoL. And in fact I'd say forcing yourself to live out of a single room for 1+ year helps alot in that. Lacking personal space really teaches you how little you actually need. But the faster you can get that debt monkey off your back the better. I'm currently aiming for my first house on 43k a year :p. Nice little tiny home. It's just a question of how long its gonna take.
@@Ralathar44 Not so young anymore. I'm 43. My parents were first generation college graduates so that did help but having gone back to school as an adult my experience was quite different from theirs. If I'm lucky enough to have kids I think I'm better equipped to help them navigate post secondary occasion. As far as monthly costs go there's nothing left to cut. My mother fractured her spine last Christmas. I've moved back in to help her get around, so rent isn't an issue. I work from home so gas is minimal, I don't eat out. I don't go to the movies. I can pay my bills and put a little away for emergencies not including retirement. I'm treading water. I'd say I regret going back to school, but I don't think I'd have my current job without my degree. But enough bitching it's just where I'm at. Good luck with your house saving. I hope you're able to carve out a place for you and yours.
I have 10 years of experience in my field and I’m a manager. I get paid less than the people who work at McDonald’s down the street from me because they have deemed my job as “entry level management”
I’ve been looking for a new job for 2 years and no one will hire me even for non managerial positions in the same field.
Most job openings aren't real. Usually they're there either because internal protocol requires a public application process even when a position is meant for an internal applicant. Or they're there to make the company look like its hiring to please government and investors. Or the HR department is doing job market research.
Don't forget making over-worked employees believe help is coming to under-staffed departments. Everybody has to pull together to help get through this rough patch! Just a little longer. A little longer.
This is not only entry level. It's all levels now. I have 30 years experience in my field, yet I'm not qualified at any level.
Let the institutions rot I say
Or opposite problem, apparently I've always been over qualified xD
Which yes for anything I've had to actually do was true, but that's not the point.
My first job out of undergrad was “entry level” & required 5 years of experience. I thankfully had 3 (from an internship). The person who had the job before me said it would take 6 months to learn everything, it took me 1.5 months & then I told them that the job could be done by someone with the same degree as me, who has only completed 1 year of undergrad. The person who had the job prior to me didn’t study what the job required and somehow got into it through connections, so she believed it required more than it did. Most jobs are truly just BS & the people who post them usually overestimate the skills needed. It’s never a “fast-paced environment,” it’s you staring at a screen after completing a work assignment in 1 day that was estimated to take 1.5 weeks.
So real, but I don't tell them I gradually do the work slowly on a downloaded file and upload bits and pieces on my shared drive so it looks like it's taking me the full project deadline. Then I game on the clock.
@@matttheradartechnician4308 smart, but also if companies rewarded efficiency you wouldnt have to do this and we wouldnt have to get bullshit gridlock from schemes like that. I have changed every work place I have been in to be more efficient because I thought it was the right thing to do for everyone. Instead I got everyone mad including the managers/owners so f*k it.
I dont think Ive ever heard anyone get a job by showing up to an interview but through connections unless you practically bleed charisma
This is why I love the trucking industry. For the most part if you have a CDL and carry a pulse, you're hired. No pay negotiation, no confusing job requirements, just "here's your pay rate and your employee #, now hop on a truck with a trainer for 2 weeks to understand our system then start getting to work!"
Also this job is outsource-proof. Can't drive a semi truck in Minnesota remotely from New Delhi.
Don’t give them any ideas 😂
Yet.
Giving the military flies drones remotely. It's only a matter of time before truckers are replaced by South Asians effectively playing American Truck Simulator for $2.50/hr.
This whole process is an absolute mess and an unnecessary waste of money. If you can't figure out if someone is going to be a good fit over 2 interviews, just give f-off and stop wasting everyone's time and your employer's money.
I don’t think it really even needs two interviews. You can largely tell who someone is after a conversation with the right questions
The modern day job market is broken. It is full of unresolvable catch-22 paradoxes that make it impossible for anyone under 30 or over 40 to get a job.
even if you're in that so-called sweet spot, you're not getting a job. at least, not in the field you want.
Okay, I get it's frustrating. But it's not impossible. The youth (16-24) workforce participation rate in the US is ~ 60%. The youth unemployment rate is ~ 9%. That means just over half of all 16-24 year-olds in the US have a job.
@@oliviastratton2169 Okay but what kind of jobs do they have? What unemployment rate doesn't include are: how many of those jobs are part time or minimum wage, and the unemployment numbers also don't include people who just stopped looking for a job after about 1 year. Unemployment numbers are not accurate at all and haven't been for a long time.
@@la6136 Way to move the goalposts. You said it was impossible to get a job under 30. That's the point I'm responding to.
As for "people who just stopped looking for a job", that's why I included workforce participation numbers. Workforce participation means you have a job or are looking for one. 60% of people 16-24 fall into this category. 9% are unemployed, so 60-9 = 51% = more than half.
It can be broken down to, owners and workers, the working class works for the owner class.
What freedom and Capitalism offered was for everybody to work their way into the owner class.
Socialism destroyed that arrangement, people can blame greed corporations but they're not the ones with the Monopoly on force.
People need to stop looking for government for solutions.
All these go together, Christianity, freedom, God, Capitalism and Patriarchy, break any of these and you break the social contract.
It is a two way street, you can't keep expecting higher standards for basic entry level jobs and offer minimum wage and pretend that is "good enough". Employers no longer want to put in the effort to train and secure a loyal employee. It is always a give and take, and takers will get their karma
How Entry Level should be:
1. Hire anyone decent
2. Train them
3. ???
4. Profit
I have found that the best way around the whole HR nightmare is to "know someone" already in the company. If you know someone, then they can vouch for you and get you in the door. You get to skip the automated ATS that is going to discard your resume' anyway, you get to skip several interviews of screening, and you can likely ask for more.
let me also say, while I say "just know someone" sounds easy, it is not! You really do have to show your work ethic, ability, and actually know someone that can help you!
Everyone knows this already. This is why we have so many idiots as leaders in the world because they know how to kiss ass/lie better than they know how to manage and lead. This is why most careers and labor markets are ponzi schemes.
Canada is always hiring, millions of companies are always hiring. But they never do
They do. All the time. What millions of companies also have are hiring managers who forget to close the req 3 months after hiring someone, who was selected 1 week after the job was posted because 500 people applied and the hiring manager just didn't feel like going through 500 applicants and selected the first 20 and played "eanie meany miny moe" with 6 of the people of the 20 who were qualified.
That person who hired you just years ago also was looking for an entry level job. Think about that for a moment, then come back to what you just said. It dehumanizes people who otherwise are normal regular people.
Dude how is it a practical skill to have a firm handshake and appear older than you really are. 💀
It's not. That's basic human interaction that people forgot exist because they're so obsessed with treating people like they're beneath them.
World ran by neurotypicals
It's a social engineering technique. Other ones I use: mirroring, choosing to be the first or last candidate for the day, asking questions that make them think of good memories, letting the interviewer talk, researching the company ahead of time, sending thank you letters, look at the camera because it looks like eye contact, (a controversial one that might not apply as much now: appear right-handed unless they are left-handed), etc.
This is so true. I was job hunting last year, trying to find an entry level job for my degree before I graduated. I found one, a County Public Works Tech position. When I looked online at the requirements, I was astonished. They were asking that the ENTRY LEVEL applicant be experienced with installing, sizing, and maintenancing massive electrical components. Things that need a master level education in electrical to do. Upon interviewing, they stated that their oldest and most experienced employee was leaving. They needed someone who could "hit the ground running". I asked if he was being paid $18/hr because that was the advertised rate. They didn't reply with an actual answer. Needless to say, I spread the word locally, and no one took that job. Some out-of-state guy got it and he isn't happy.
It sounds like HR should ask some of the workers what they think about the hiring requirements list.
HR works with hiring managers to create the job requirements. Some will try to get rid of too many barriers, but the hiring manager insists.
Correction: HR doesn't work.
Im not sure why they even exist.
@@s.sradon9782HR exists to protect the company. The worker is of secondary concern.
@s.sradon9782 HR isn't a singular body. Payroll is responsible for getting you your paycheck, benefits/compensation maintains benefit policies and updates your compensation with compliance/raises, HR generalists do the maintenance that the managers don't want to do and you think there's nothing happening because they're doing their job correctly.
HR roles that focus in data analytics finds out why there is high employee turnover and tries to get management to improve it, talent acquisition creates organized onboarding so you won't be lost when you're a new hire. Now, not all of these function correctly, but you can't deny they have a purpose. I'm probably still missing some like educational development, where they focus on allowing employees to have tuition reimbursement, certifications paid for by the company. I'm not even in HR and I see most of their purposes.
They want higher end work for entry level pay. That's really all there is to it.
1000%. I use to work for an orthodontic company and my old boss wanted to squeeze more work out of me for the same price. Later when they tried to bring me on for FT (yeah i was contract ofc) they offered LESS for more responsibilities.
As someone who has experience working with ATS companies I can absolutely confirm that chat got is being used for advert generation. Because it is literally built into the software, once you add a job to the system, with one click it generates the ad. Of course recruiters are meant to double check this ad content, but whether or not they do is another question...
This is why every time a recruiter asks about my interest in a job, it's obvious they didn't look at my LinkedIn profile.
Entry level positions asking for any amount of experience should had immediately tipped off Regulators. This is exactly how you implode the working class, which is exactly what's happening today.
Psychologist here.
Experience in HR. Most bosses have no idea of anything. Most recruiters don't have highschool or have sales experience. Or its just a bunch of girls in an office pretending to be HR experts.
And yes; require absolute knowledge of MS Excel to do manual jobs, until faced with reality and the need to fill the headcount. This is in México, and the ones in USA are like that or worse as you say😂
That's very worrying for many of us attending college. If you can't find a good job after graduating then college really ain't worth it
College is not worth it anymore, even if you are studying to be a doctor or in a STEM field. The debt is too high and because of inflation those salaries are not even as good as they used to be. I don't blame Gen Z for skipping college and just going straight into the work force.
I wish I had not went on to university after community college. No job I have applied for or worked at required anything more than an associate degree. They all wanted 2-5 years experience instead. Nothing pays good enough at an entry level job (because no previous experience) to justify having debt for a college degree. This is at least in my area where I live. The only way I see college being worth it for gen z is if the senior level job you want in the future requires it and you have a way to pay off the student loan or not have a payment.
@@la6136I think I saw somewhere the average pay for someone coming out with a bachelors degree is $23 ish dollars? Why bother having debt for that wage.
I joke about how my degree (mechatronics) is worth less than the used toilet paper I just wiped my rear with when even the lowest entry level job wanted 5 years of experience. I've met several people going for the degree and tell them if they are serious about the degree then they need to get an internship through the college or they won't be getting anything.
The trades are where the jobs are because so few people are getting into the trades. For example, many places there are more plumbers retiring then new people. A local county created a trading class for plumbers because of the shortage. The trade union paid the fees for the class, but last year they got five people for a 12 person class (approximate numbers). Most of the trades pay more per hour than most jobs asking for a college degree.
I see this so much in my traditionally blue collar/vocational career.
After 6 years of working in aviation as a civilian, then 10 more years in aviation in the military, and finally finishing and earning an FAA professional certification with accompanying Associate's Degree, I had 19 years of aviation experience across multiple roles. I was turned down 76 times in a row because I hadn't worked on their specific airframe. Mind you, sometimes I had actually worked on only that manufacturer's airframe, but was told I didn't have the experience they wanted. The rest of the time, that airframe was unique to a small niche of operators.
So, I was either told I didn't understand the only airframe I had ever worked on, or that I first needed to work on the airframe only they operated. 🤦🏻♂️
Thankfully, one DOM realized that hiring in aviation is broken, and the lack of employees is the fault of employers. He read resumes personally, as a human being, and called candidates himself. I have a good job out of luck and one decent employer out of hundreds!
Software jobs can be like that too.
They want someone they don't have to train and then pay them as little as possible because it's "entry level".
The double standards of entry-level positions makes me wonder who in their right mind called this a sane idea.
Entry-levels are supposed to be a place of learning. Those with one year of experience should be a side-dish, but it shouldn't deter the goal of the hiring process.
Also, the ATS can get biased. Fast. Too picky, that we now have to make a tactic to "trick" the ATS.
Honestly I'm getting ready to write my own tampermonkey script to hide hob listings which require experience and then see how many hits I actually get.
If you do let me know what happens
if you do get more hits drop a mega for the script
No need. I’ve got the list right here:
And that’s the list!
TLDR: interacting with the data like that makes websites angry
It would be way too much of a hassle to make since sites like to hide their apis and make it difficult to interact with the data at all (probably for fear of web scrapers.
I just stopped using indeed after all the results became garbage recently.
All sorts of positions popping up which should be hidden for their location and because I've answered "no" to all of the qualifications ...
You'd have to figure out how to hide automation software to scrape the site, then run it through ai to see if it contains qualifications (or else build a list of key words to look for)...
Also they use shenanigans and encode all if the incoming data to make it hard to see. You'd need to reverse part of their javascript to decode that and *I'm not about to do a backflip to make their site usable.* I'd rather just not use it.
Did anyone notice that he spent 15 minutes explaining that these companies incompetent actions are fleecing their workers out of a significant amount of pay. Then proceeds to spend the last 3-4 minutes saying "Hey look professional that'll fix it!" No. It wont... These companies just want to save money by fleecing their employees.
Never said it will fix it. I said that I believe this system is near impossible to achieve but it’s still important to give yourself the best shot. I provided a practical tip that helped me get a job and allows one of the only aspects you have direct control over in this system. Far better advice than to say it’s entirely hopeless and there is nothing you can do. I don’t believe that to be true