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I am currently striving to be a high school counselor. Now I know it's not a six digit salary kind of dream job, but it's been my calling since I was a high schooler.
and here i thought entry level meant "we are advertising a job, to satisfy federal equality laws, but don't intend to hire you, unless you fill that race/gender slot we need for government money....."
Every wage is always the lowest wage possible. You think your boss give you a raise out of the goodness of his heart? You think a bunch of managers sit around and figure what’s the cheapest they can make a team and then put 10% on top? Your employer by definition pays you less than you are worth. Why else would they pay you if you make them less money than you are worth.
@@KarimElHayawan I disagree with just about anything you just said but only because of the second part. Under total capitalism what you said is true you will be payed the bare minimum while still working but in our current world and a world we should strive for you it should be impossible to pay some of the wages we do now and there will be less of a delta between how much profit you generate for the company and how much money you get.
They want people with the energy of a 20 year old The drive of a 30 year old The experience of a 60 year old The obedience of someone making 7 figures And the pay scale of a 14 year old
@@heedmywarning2792 that’s exactly why businesses make those listings- they want to say they “couldn’t find an American to do this job” and they bring in an immigrant on an H1-B visa to do the job. The immigrants get no benefits and a very small amount of money, since the visa is the pay. The immigrants are being exploited and Americans are being robbed of opportunities.
The hypocrisy of "children are our future" when compared to "fresh-faced graduates with no experience are a waste of time" that is then compounded by "why don't they know anything?! (When they refuse to teach them...)" is staggering.
I've read somewhere really interesting thing that in 2008 when economic crisis happened the job market was filled with professional people who had ton of experience. So since then, this ruined the job search for young, inexperienced people. And business started saving money and exploiting workers by pushing the idea that you need to volunteer or do internship for free to get a paying job. And these options are not affordable for majority of young people nowadays, because you still have to make money to survive. So most poor young people get stuck at retail or hospitality
@@zaliaLP Yeah and there are still people who believe those retail/hospitality jobs are only for teenagers with no bills and thus don't deserve to be compensated at a livable rate regardless of them being full time, high stress and strain jobs often enough (and that many adults of all age ranges work these jobs now).
@@Kilmoran 100%! It also adds that schools push all of their students to apply for uni/collage, because "if you don't get that degree you'll be a loser". In reality all they care about is school ratings. I literally remember my math teacher bullying those who were not good at math, saying that they are going to end up cleaning the streets. And not for one second we thought that hey, why these jobs are so demonised and underpaid. Why we all have to be "successful career people" to have a decent life?
@@zaliaLP College, in the end, is about pursuing the academic side of the world. It is not job training and unfortunately, as you just expressed, it is situated and perpetuated as if it is. It /can/ lead to better-paying work /if/ you are given an opportunity through either the diploma or, far more likely, the connections and resources gained through the process, but it absolutely is not in and of itself a path to work. As you also mentioned, the devaluing of necessary jobs (ironically) is prolific, but there is the middle ground of blue-collar which is so fundamentally and infrastructurally underserved that college still appears to be the only real option for "success". Merit and work are simply not (and rarely has been). This is not something we cannot fix... To the benefit of the powerful business interests in fact, but the resistance of allowing people to have a path to gain or prove their ability is for whatever reason locked behind the presumption of a lack of some natural ability or circumstance. It is bizarre to me.
True story. I went for an entry level position specifically mention “Fresh graduate encouraged to apply. No experience needed, training will be provided”. First thing the interviewer asked me was “Do have any job experience?” I said “No”. She then proceeded to berate me because of that. Walked out confused and angry.
I've called people liars directly to thier faces. "You're gonna sit there publish an ad for a entry job no experience then yell at me for no experience?! The only liar here is you lady. This is practically false advertising"
i got so mad when i applied to target once. i checked every box except unloader, i wont take pay that bad for a job that bad. i get a call for an interview for 'one of the positions i applied to' so i show up. first off, the lady said i would only get 20-24hrs a week and 'whatever minimum wage is' so before i walked away based on the offensively bad pay, i asked 'well which job would this be for' and of course her response was 'truck unloader is all we have available for you' at that point i was done. i got up and said 'why the hell did you even call me' as i walked twards out for some reason she was actually shocked, she showed no interest at all in hiring me, seemed like she was just there because she drew the short straw, but me rejecting her seemed to actually wake her up a bit. thankfully i dont work retail or anything similar to it anymore. its a good place to start, and if youre on hard times it makes sense to take something, but its really not something most people should stick to
@@jth_printed_designs excuse you, it most certainly is out of line. They literally said no experience was needed and training would be provided. Words have objective meaning regardless of your worldview and expectations. Also, to your point about most teens having had a job, that's laughably false. Actual government data shows that less than 33% of 16-19 year olds have jobs, part-time or full-time. It only goes over 50% when you extend the range to include people up to age 24.
When I first watched this video I thought "that's dumb" like everyone else. Then I thought of an important question: are they asking for 1-2 years work experience in the same field or just at any job? If they want 1-2 years of work experience anywhere that's actually totally reasonable. If you get a job every summer through college (which you should probably work more than this to help pay for college) you will have 1 year of work experience. Add the summers since you were 16 during high school and you have almost 2 years of work experience.
Plus the fact that more jobs are becoming automated as well as the retirement age increasing which means people are working at their jobs longer and preventing newer people from getting into them.
@@jacobpinson2834 the ones I've looked at want experience in the same field of work which is annoying when Ur straight out of school/college because its just: need a job; get a job for experience then we will give u a job but until then we won't give u a job to gain any experience to get a job
Don't forget about your good ol unpaid internships that want prior internship experience. Jr. Level interns and senior level interns. Even chief executive interns.
@@JoshuaFluke1 you're monetized just to complain about how much cooperate America sucks. And it amazes me how many people buy into it. I get it we all got to make a living some how to survive. If your making it off whining to millions about how getting different types of jobs sucks I applaud you. I barely see anyone offering unpaid internships anymore and it's not hard to get a job either. Working conditions will vary however not every employer treats their workers such as a company like Amazon. Other than that I hope everything goes well for you and you're new girlfriend once you move into the house you've belt and get out of the girlfriend's parents basement.
I am NOT scapegoating or excusing employers when i say this but a lot of people are not looking for jobs cause after being forced to use Welfare are now realizing they're making just as much money on Welfare as they were working their prior job.
@@sir8513 well the problem is that welfare (from what I've heard of, with no personal experience with it) only gives barely just over minimum wage (and possibly per person? Again not sure as I have no personal welfare experience)
@@rxvenii6975 it can be even less than minimum wage in states that have higher wages. It only becomes a good bit of money if you have kids, but single adults don’t get much.
I'm currently on welfare payment and I'm looking for work. I have a monthly target of the amount of job applications I need to send. I don't think the statement about if people are on these payments then they stop looking for work. The amount is not enough to live a good life and save money for the future. And for me I find working fulfilling other than just stay at home all day. I want a job real bad. Major barriers to employment is like what mentioned in the video. Employers want experienced staff. That's it.
There is this story that floats around the internet about an IT guy, who wanted to work at a company but was rejected because the company wanted a specialist if a certain language with 5 years of experience with that language. Only that the guy was the one who created that specific language - 3 years ago.
Same story with DevOps in many Eastern European countries. Some companies wanted 5 years of experience for a methodology and skillset that solidifed only 3 years prior.
Needing job experience to get an entry level job sounds like the job version of the MosDef quote "Why do I need ID to get ID? If I had ID I wouldn't need ID."
Work experience doesn't always refer to experience in the specific field. A lot of places don't want to hire someone who has never held a job before, so any job could be considered work experience
@@sentjojo ay funny enough there's a comment right below this one that has a rebuttal to that notion, it being the fact that oftentimes relevant and extensive training or even internships in the target industry get downgraded in usefulness compared to arbitrary experience in a different field
@@0Arcoverde I disagree. "Entry level" does not mean "first job ever". Employers expect basic competency in things like showing up for work on time and following instructions from management. These are things expected in a min wage job that you get as a teenager before graduating
@@sentjojo how would you evaluate "entry level" + "6 years of experience of graduate level work in this specific software for this specific field that alone demands half of a degree just to get familiar with"?
And then they have the audacity to call us lazy and stupid amongst their endless criticising. Say anything to that generation though and they explode. Like typical bullies, they can dish it out but they can't take it.
I CANNOT WAIT until my Dad retires and FINALLY sees what I’ve been trying to tell him about the job market. Hes a classic Boomer who got a job right our of school and climbed the corporate ladder. He has too much experience now, on the other end, but it’ll be just as troublesome. I’m not going to even need to say I told you so because he’s going to get that a soon as he starts applying.
Maybe you shouldn't of gone to college and seen how it's a poor investment? Never went to college, instead spent the last decade to get a variety of work experience and now I have a relatively high tier job.
@@zachburskey8868 College was very worth it for me. I wouldn't have the job I love without it. But I'm all for anyone finding their own path, college or no.
@@PogieJoe Fair enough, college is a good route for realistic careers. But I get frustrated with how much debt the college fad creates. Also how many people went to college for years and don't work in the field they studied and instead work at managers at restaurants. The biggest person I know that had a rags to riches story was a guy who got a HVC license and now takes month long vacations in south America at his vacation house every year.
“Ok I studied for years to get this degree, I did a little bit of internship.” “You must have at least 7 years experience in this specific part of the job” “It was only invented like 4 years ago” “Did I stutter?”
Disagree. People use the term subjectively. Some describe "entry level" as relevant to their industry whereas others describe it as a bagger at a grocery store or a server. One could argue an analyst or associate on Wall Street are entry level, which they are, and even though no work experience is required they're still very competitive and difficult jobs to get. Plus if you want to be an associate you need an MBA and prior work experience in other industries will look favorable to you compared to just intern experience in an analyst position. End of the day if you want more experienced candidates for your entry level position and you want to wait longer for that candidate to become available that's fine. You may miss out on a great candidate or you may dodge someone a bad one.
Job requirements: Have 20 years experience, a PhD, and be willing to receive a "competitive" wage of $16 an hour. *OR* Have 0 experience, a high school diploma and know someone who works here.
@@marcoaraiza9381 I live in an area where almost every business does this except for the fast food places. You can't even fold t-shirts at the mall without having a relative be a manager.
IT field is filled with self taught people who use the free education provided to them by major companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. And get their own certificates for some hundred dollars. They learn in virtual labs and take that experience with them to the real workplace where they can apply all that practice. Sure it's a 30K annual salary but it's a job.
I work marketing in the recruitment industry. One thing that stuck with me was something a client told us: "Everyone needs to start somewhere, but not everyone can start with us." EVERY employer thinks this way. Nobody wants to give newcomers a chance, even when the role they're trying to fill is "entry level" and can be easily done by a fresh college graduate like a receptionist job. Geez.
Amazing to see they’ll say it straight up, it boils my blood to sift through marketing jobs that advertise “for recent grads” and yet want you to do everything under the sun (and it better be perfect and don’t expect training or support)
Makes me think of one time when we were crossing the border and the guard asked my husband where he worked, so he answered, and then the guard asked WHY he worked. My husband was like...uh...to pay for food??
I honestly hate this question but I've decided to try to reword it to "so why this business specifically?" As if they were asking me why didn't you go for the place down the street instead. It's helped me answer better but doesn't mean I don't hate this question any less.
I don't even know what my dream job is anymore. I want dignity, I want enough money to keep my life stable and pleasant, I want enough free time to actually rest and pursue hobbies, and I want to retire someday. It's ridiculous that these can be seen as ridiculous expectations! Anyway, to all other current job hunters in the comments: good luck out there!
Nobody knows, there is no such thing as a "dream job" ,all jobs have their ups and downs Just keep trying new stuff and you will find whatever you are looking for (I hope so)
I know right and not just small companies no ones ever heard of. Microsoft. Applied and got rejected 3 months later. Like wtf how unprofessional is that? One of the largest tech companies on earth cant get back to you any sooner.
It’s so disrespectful and discouraging. However it makes me feel better because who want to work at a company that’s so full of shit that they can’t even email you
I just got rejected from an "Entry level" job where they were asking for a full stack developer with 5 years of experience. Entry level simply means we'll pay you pennies.
@@hungry_khid1007 Full Stack dev is someone who can handle front end (Think website design) & back end (Databases, etc). It’s absolutely luscious to ask for an “Entry Level” full stack developer.
Before the pandemic I got rejected from a minimum wage job and during the interview they surprised me by asking if I'm willing to do my job AND the job of another guy they had working there since he couldn't do his own job. Some of these places are a fuckin joke.
@@vladiiidracula235 There's too many developers now claiming to be "full stack" thinking it's going to improve their chances of a high earning position. In reality, they damage the profession and dumb it down to the point it's just a name thrown around by fools.
"Forget everything you learned in college. We'll teach you how to do things the *right* way." Well it's a good thing I didn't go to college. "Oh. In that case, you're unqualified for the job." ...
If we need to relearn how to do stuff PROPERLY, why do we waste 3-5 years in universities? Seems like the system is broken and no one bothers fixin the damn thing.... 🙈
This makes no sense, but my assumed explanation would be that something like college is intended to filter out the less capable people. Or maybe the college is supposed to teach you something else other than knowledge
@@UshankaMaster That is partially correct however I want to add that the knowledge you gain from college is foundational and it will indirectly relate to the work you do in industry (working in field usually means dealing with a very niche subset of the college knowledge and going deeper within that niche). For context I am an engineer that graduated from electrical engineering at the end of 2019, I landed an engineering graduate program at a top tech firm which started in 2020 and my starting pay was $105K. College teaches you some core skills (if you choose the right major) like problem solving, learning complex materials quickly and being able to communicate said information, independent learning/research etc.. These skills form a valuable basis for learning and adapting to any job related to your field of study AND ALSO serves as a filter for weaker candidates that can't pass the mandatory calculus 1-3, advanced physics, circuit theory, programming, digital systems, control systems courses etc. In fact, my university class started with 200 people and whittled down to just 12 or so at graduation time. I also had to compete with about 6000 other engineers for my role (they took in 100 grads for the 2020 program out of 6000 applicants).
Actually i think the most human thing there is. “If you don’t provide value for me, go somewhere else.” Do you want a friend or partner that brings nothing to the table and instead expects you to start all the conversations, be the one to invite them out all the time, and generally do everything to keep the friendship/relationship alive? You have to do your part to, or else it’s one sided and unfair.
@@avpthegreat But this isn’t a relationship like with a friend or partner. Your employer is someone who pays you and provides your livelihood. There is an inherent power dynamic that is not (or should not be) there with a friend/partner. They are supposed to be your mentor. They are investing in you, which is supposed to benefit both sides. It’s dehumanizing because all they see is how much something will profit them. They don’t care if you’re willing to learn and dedicate yourself. Like the video said, they don’t see you as a human-something that grows and evolves over time. They see you as an expendable part that fits into machine NOW.
@@gaaralvr4695 Employment can be an investment but it’s also a risk. If you aren’t convincing a potential employer that you can bring value to the table, then they’ll take the guy who can. So not only do you have to convince the employer you’re right for the job, you also have to convince them you’re better than the 50 other guys applying for that same position. Dating and to an extent, friendships, function in a similar way. You have to come across as a positive, interesting person or else no one will surround themselves with you. Time and money are finite resources, and human beings make decisions daily about what to spend those resources on. As far as profit goes, of course profit matters, it’s a company. If they hired people willy-nilly, the company goes under and EVERYONE loses their jobs. Did you think about that? Maybe try and consider the bigger picture here.
@@avpthegreat Hiring everyone =/= making the hiring standards what they were before the recession. The problem here isnt that it's not feasible for employers to hire entry level workers, its that they got spoiled on hiring skilled workers that were out of jobs due to economic downturn and dont want to go back despite the change in climate. Also the relationship thing is false equivalence. An employer in no way resembles a boyfriend or a friend. They're more like a trade partner. The trade is, my time for your money. Ideally, an emloyee would be able to negotiate reasonable pay, as would be with trade but this is not the case and there in lies the problem. The employers have forgotten their responsiblity to society via the employed. Their role is to provide for those that generate value for them so that they can in turn generate value for society through commerce. This cant happen if employers put their bottom line before everything else.
@@avpthegreat Also hiring a few entry levels that dont pan out well isnt going to pull a company under. Its actually not very costly on the company's end to simply fire workers that dont meet up to the standard and hire new ones. This is mostly because the applicant pool is massive and entry level positions really dont require much in the way of expensive training.
It's crazy to think that 70+ years ago, going to college or university GUARANTEED you a life long career afterwards. Employers were like "if you go to school, we'll hire you for life - all benefits included". Businesses were like family, and everyone was treated as valuable. Like some of the other comments mentioned, they'd even train you on stuff you weren't familiar with. Now, you go to school, get a s*** ton of debt, work hard, graduate, and remain a debt slave to a system that promised you a better life but ripped the rug out from under you in the end...
I think it because business becomes more international and your boss can hire people around the world , has access to cheap labor force from Asia. I guess we need old fasion cold war with China and brics.
That’s why Made in Asia often wins, because ppl like you can only think of barricading yourself from them, but too lazy to think of outcompeting them.😂
We have a much more skilled economy now and employers know that they can always find someone with that experience who can hit the ground running. I have also noticed that when employers say that they are going to train you, most don't really mean it. What they really do is throw you to the wolves and leave you on an island by yourself. Back in the 90's, when they said training would be provided to get you up to speed, most employers meant it.
Everyone and their mother having a college degree has made them worthless. Jobs that hardly require a pulse, much less a GED or HS diploma, now require a Bachelor's. The government student loan program has utterly destroyed the workforce balance in the US, not to mention sent tuition rates to the moon and back.
Even with experience, my most annoying 'new' hurdle is employers and resume coaches telling me to make my resume sound LITERALLY more accomplished. Like, "so this is what you DID at all of your previous workplaces, but what did you ACHIEVE, like where are all of your metaphorical trophies?" and sometimes you can think of one or two examples but ya eventually just get exhausted and want to say "Biiish, I ACHIEVED keeping my head down long enough to pay my bills every month and stay off the street". X'''D
Honestly it’s a game of making shit up. “I achieved consistent customer satisfaction and helped the company run smoothly” for quick example. It’s practical and social knowledge over actual retelling of events (cause cmon, that sentence is true for everyone). Getting a job and doing the job basically require two completely different skill sets
@@DeathnoteBB True for everyone except me apparently since I basically got fired on my first day for nervous-vomiting since I had no idea where the bathroom was. I still have nightmares about that one! :'D
Well, ideally you want applicable experience that would help with the job, if you used software before, even if just for an hour or two, put it down. At least you can say you are familiar with it. That’s probably what they mean.
I definitely get why employers want someone with experience, that makes total sense. My only thing is if you’re going to require 3-5 years experience, DON’T CALL IT ENTRY-LEVEL! If I had 3-5 years experience than I already “entered” this career field 3-5 years ago and don’t need an entry level job.
@@Aiviymatoc if thats the case, then it doesnt make any sense. A teller in multinational bank get paid higher than a teller in a small local bank. But we dont see a senior level vacancy for teller in multinational bank and entry level vacancy in small bank.
The best is when you search for entry-level positions that don't require experience while constantly hearing about the severe labor shortage. That's my favorite
What is also great is seeing that you don’t have enough experience for an engineering role, so you look at technician roles, only to find that you don’t have enough experience for them either. Like what the actual hell?!?
The industry has no reason not to say they have a labor shortage. A higher labor supply is to their advantage. Plus, the industries have connections to for profit trade schools.
Ill never forget the stories of back when companies were asking for like 7 years of experience with java when the language was only 3 years old at the time
I never understood that whole practice. It would give the employer a chance to tell the applicant what things they need to work on or certificates that would help. Instead, the applicant just goes on to a different company and the original company is left looking for an employee they can't find.
@@GeneralChangFromDanang they can simply automate an email saying "you didnt get the job". But they cant give feedback on every applicant about what to improve. Imagine you have 5000 applicants, and you only need 2 or 3. Screening their application is already exhausting enough, who got time to give personalized feedback for 4997 applicants.
Lol for reals. I miss my old boss because she was so real. She told me during my interview that she didn’t give a crap about the resumes she wanted to know the person and asked me really why I wanted to work at the dumpy company I was applying to. I said: “okay honestly, I have a huge employment gap from being my mom’s caretaker and need the experience and money.”
@@Saturn890 Bruh, being a caretaker for your mom is a job. It took effort, compassion, and time. It also shows you are a loyal person. Put it on your resume and use "life and work experience" to broaden the scope of your experience section.
True. Their companies are fancy and nice. But I wouldn't care for our unless you hired me, even then I don't really care about the company. So, I always have the urge to say "money' when they ask those questions.
After years of being told “just get a job and move out, it’s not that hard” by my parents, they’re splitting up, and now they’re trying to find cheap housing. My mom straight up called me and said “I am so sorry, I had no idea” NO SHIT, SHERLOCK
I love it when boomers are hit in the face with that realization. The constant confident denial of our situation by entire generations, has in the past truly gaslit me to the point ive thought im just not good enough to make a living. When i see them face the realities they ignore, that brings me so much peace of mind
Ah, lucky. Mine got her job thanks to a friend, and now she think it's that easy for everyone. I'm a full time student but she also wants me to find a full time, good paying job while i'm still studying... "Well how did you think I do? Just give your resume to everyone and someone will end up hiring you. You're just being lazy". This is not how life works, mom
I was in a similar situation for a while when I was young. I had a good job but got called a bum for not having my own place. (Literally only my second year into working) then parents split up. Both of them struggled to find affordable housing and were asking if I could "roommate" with them to be able to afford a apartment.
Here I am 22 graduated from college last may with a degree in graphic design and now 200+ applications later, im working at a job 11 dollars an hour. America truly is the land of opportunity.
Holy crap, I feel so much better after reading that. I graduated with a similar art degree but applied for every graphic design job or anything remotely similar and it took so many applications until I found my first job out of college.
@@-SP. as someone who graduated from graphic design, it's not just your portfolio. I had mine sent to several applications through online.and most of them ghost me or rejected me because I was underqualified (mind you, they never put a number of experience so I.assume they accept entry level). Meanwhile I got laid off (dare I say, fired) from my previous and first job because I am overqualified. That job only lasted 4 months and never did they told me I was on probation.
I've seen job offerings such as, "filing clerk, minimum 5 years experience". Honestly, after 3-4 months you've learned pretty much all there is to know about filing documents at a given workplace.
Often times that’s done as a tactic to both scare away people from applying and to also ensure you get people you don’t have to waste resources to teach the basics of the job.
I am essentially a filing clerk at a law firm. I got it as my first job. Only 2 days a week, but I had literally no prior experience. Filing is mostly easy except when files are missing from their normal locations and papers aren't labelled correctly.
Although it's understandable companies want experience, at some point we're gonna have to face that there is a big group of people out in the world which are skilled, educated an qualified but can't get a job they are trained for because of the idea that no company wants to invest in people without experience. Doing retail work for two years won't give the experience expected so even that won't really help you get a job in a different field, so how is someone to get a job when in their field? I've had people tell me my internships didn't count as work experience or that my degree wasn't enough for a traineeship... honestly, the system just seems kind of broken...
@@scno0B1 of course, but at some point you have to wonder if it's okay and normal for all companies to only hire people with experience. For one part it's kind of a risk to the society for having a lot of unemployed people. Both sides have their argument, but it sucks when you're the one trying to find the job and people won't even give you a chance or reply.
Some job markets can't properly support entry positions. If enough working professionals already exist to support the market, then it's very difficult for anyone new to enter. But people are still getting degrees for these fields and making the problem even worse. Too many people qualified for a job market means a lot of people's skills are not needed
This is why some companies have focused "promote from within" programs, where there are truly entry-level positions that can get you in the door and give you time to prove your skills/demeanor. UPS does this. You can get hired during peak season when they'll take almost anyone, make a good enough impression to stay on or get rehired after peak, then work your way up with training support based on your career goals. The entry level work is tough, and you still need to prove desirable for promotion, but the system is there. If only the general workforce had better school-to-career programs. Off the top of my head the only industries like this are skilled laborers, logistics, and some types of nursing. The field of education tries to do this, but not every region has that kind of relationship, and programs don't always translate between different areas.
I have heard of stories where ppl get rejected because they are over qualifying for the job. So you have graduated and you lack the experience or you’re too good, you are not allowed to have a job 😭
That is why if you have a college degree and applied to jobs that are labor jobs like only require a high school diploma. You don't put your college degree. The reason from my own experience. I would always get ghosted for such jobs. The moment I took off my 2 college degrees and lied about work experience at a previous labor job. I was hired on the spot. I then worked and found out I was short handed and they abused me. They made me work 7 days a week at a grocery store. I had to change price signs come in at mid-night on the weekend on a sunday to put up sales signs and then come back in on monday. Pay was minimum wage and I ended up quitting. The reason the won't hire college grads for such jobs is because they don't want you to have the option of quitting. They want you to be in a financial position where you have not choice but to bust your ass for pennies on a dollar. I personally would see this as modern slavery because they set you up to be in such a situation. I got another job working in urgent care. I would see my manager hire people. There was this old lady that she was mexican she spoke broken english. She worked as a cleaning lady at a hotel. She wanted to work as a medical assistant has no certificate or education in it. My manager hired her. So, she g ave her 2 weeks notice to her other employeer. Then when she worked 2 days with us. Our manager being a lady had a hot mexican guy reach out to her. He was younger than her. So, she had the hots for this guy. She hired him. Then told the mexcian lady that she's fired. She was crying. She then after 4 days came back begging for her job. It was because her previous employer replaced her quickly. So she couldn't find work . She ended up being homeless and would walk up and down our main road asking for money. So, I seen what these companies do.
Have you come across the theory that employers are asking for this kind of experience as a result of the 2008 financial crisis? It’s come up again during the beginning-of-the-pandemic crisis, but basically higher level employees were losing their well suited jobs, freaking out, applying for anything they could, and taking those entry level jobs from people who were actually new to the field. Then when it came time for employers to refill or add to those jobs, they realized they wanted those higher level employees doing them for the low low cost of entry level work. Basically fucking everyone over in the process
Which is how you get the wonderful thing of "Recent college grad" 20 years experience If an older employee lost their job due to recession...maybe used their savings to get a degree...and then re-entered the work force applying for anything and everything within their field...............They're the perfect candidate for what these employers want. Sneaky ageism is sneaky. :(
Even if the job is actually entry level, employers are so obsessed with the idea of having a more experienced applicant for no other reason than just in case they can expect even more from the employee than what the actual position requires. And in the current situation, they can get away with it.
To answer your last question, it is NOT hard to get back to a candidate if they don’t get the job as a recruiter. It’s literally one click of a button for a mass email template. - a former recruiter
@@fence_ridergaming8640 By that I'm assuming you mean "you'd be surprised at how many companies aren't big enough to have a recruiting department", because it's most companies. Not every company is apple or amazon, where they're literally hiring people all the time and can justify an entire department for recruiting
@@AmberMetallicScorpion What recruiters are accusing anyone of being lazy? It's kinda the opposite - more sought after positions get thousands of resumes a day; if you reduced the burden to apply to "no experience required" you'd get hundreds of thousands of resumes a day. If more people who weren't a good fit for the job were lazy (the vast majority of resumes received), then recruiters would have very easy jobs
I was shocked at the requirements in entry level positions in IT, at first I I thought that it's just me and I was really anxious, but it was a relief to hear that other people thought the requirements were really harsh too.
Welcome to the world, this happened 40 years ago. In some jobs, they say non intern. I graduated in 92. It took me forever. I finally found a crappy job. I had to work 12 hours a day, programming, support, data entry, receptionist, etc. I had to multi task every second. The pay was 4 dollars above minimum wage Without OT pay. The company was dying. I had to spend time finding old keywords, mice, hardware to replace the broken ones. After 10 months, I found another entry level job. The manager actually said this is an entry level job with 2+ year experience. Anyway, I kept changing jobs. I had worked in entry-level job for 6 years. That's ok, I kept getting pay raise. Some people are lucky. They find the real entry level jobs in big corporations . Most people have to start at sweat shops Oh, I heard a lot people graduated from UCLA, UC Irvine computer science with many intern, tutor, non profit non paid job experience, part time low pay IT jobs, they were still considered 0 year experience
@@commentorsilensor3734 I'll add on to that. I graduated with a programming degree in 2003, and I was a temp until late 2021. That's even below entry-level, when you don't know where your paycheck is coming from in a couple months.
I'm at the point in my life that I have picked up so many hobbies and so much experience through life and working with others on random projects from building arcade cabinets to building cars, working with distribution partners to get custom orders done etc. not to mention being a programmer fluent in c++ with a degree in computer science and an electrical engineer Most job listings these days straight up do not respond to me period, because I know my value and my worth as an employee and they know that I am educated enough to know when they are exploiting and abusing employees and breaking laws
A few weeks ago I had an interview for a job where I actually did have a years relevant experience. When they gave me feedback for the interview they told me they hired a recent graduate because they had been an active member of the polo club at university. I was literally thinking "Hang on, I told them about being active with the school newspaper. Why on earth does POLO of all things seem like a better fit than the university newspaper??!!" So I've come to the conclusion that sometimes people will just hire based on their own biases or if they find someone interesting. I'm just hoping that my own story and skills resonates with one of these employers soon!!
TL;DR: humans make human mistakes when making human decisions regarding other humans Let's hope polo dude doesn't let them down, but most importantly that you land that awesome job
@Saffron Christmas I didn't say silly - I said human, because humans often choose people based on completely irrelevant criteria. How was polo relevant at all for the job? It wasn't. But the team looked at it and went "hey, cool dude bro did polo" and hired him - because it was somehow meaningful to them. That's some human work blunder right here, which may have been caused by classism
You got screwed over in getting job by someone who probably doesn't know a damn thing about it, but got it anyway cause he played Polo. I can't even comprehend the amount of bullshit thats in that
That was the issue when my former co-worker and I were let go. She’s 40+ years old and I’m 28 though because of some past issues I didn’t have a lot of work experience under my belt while she had years of experience. Well neither of us could get hired. She had too much experience, I had too little.
@@miguelprima5937 It can be, but most employers know how to word their rejections so that it doesn’t violate any anti-discrimination laws. So they can just say you simply didn’t meet the requirements they were looking for in terms of the position but will keep your resume on hold for future review (they won’t).
In college i was told to lie or abuse nepotism if i can, use my own teachers as references to support the experiences lie, the worst thing is that it worked. Edit: I'm a college teacher now by the way
The ‘70s: “I’d like to apply for a job?” “Is that a pulse you have? You’re hired! Oh, look, you wore a suit and tie to the interview! Clearly you are management material!” 2000-present: “I have a Master’s Degree and speak three languages!” “We need someone with at least three years experience!” **crumples up resume** “But this is an entry level job?” “Please leave before I call the police!”
Ah, the days when the employees you see at the job site every day mattered more than shareholders who send an occasional email through their staff assistants. And which older folks berate us for being too "lazy" to simply ask and be offered a job on the spot, while they vote for more corporate tax breaks and homeowning retiree benefits at the cost of the mobility-required youth through increased government debt.
To be fair, a master's degree is pretty worthless. You can't do what a PhD can, and the fact that you did some research isn't very applicable to most industry jobs. It's probably higher education's biggest scam.
@@HateSpeechMoreLikeBasedSpeechWhile in relative terms, a master's might be worthless, the fact remains that you're still only about 1/7th (13.7% of Americans have either a Master's or a Doctorate as of 2021.) of the working age population in America. Unless it was for some ultra specialized position that demands the rigors of a doctorate, you're head and shoulders above the general population. You'd have to have some serious black marks on your record, atrocious interviewing skills, unrealistic expectations, or sheer bad luck to not get hired. Heck, I even heard of a few people with serious felonies who have traditional office jobs just off the strength of their experience and credentials.
@@EbonySaints you don't need a master's for an entry level job, and you can't get a higher-than-entry level job with a master's (that isn't an MBA)... so why bother? Spend that 2 years making income.
@@HateSpeechMoreLikeBasedSpeechhow about do both, that’s what I did. I worked as an assistant at the university. Tuition was covered and I got paid fairly decently.
I came out of education one year ago and I still haven't been able to find a job due to the fact I have no job experience. My mum hasn't worked in 16 years and she is unable to find a job as she has too much experience, We are currently living off pension money from my dad's death. I hope we can both find work soon so we can afford food and bills
@@walkerx1813 yes she has worked for 30+ years in media production, she also has 2 masters degrees, they thought she was overqualified so she cant find a job, no matter what its in, they also take her age into account thinking that 64 is too old for a job
@@walkerx1813 companies don’t want an employee that’s going to leave, so they don’t want to hire anyone who could potentially make more than they’re offering. Not that it particularly matters, most companies don’t invest in new talent anyways so they don’t really lose anything from hiring someone else later on.
Because u literally need to work to survive and people who dont work are “bums living off of welfare” or not contributing to society even though i hardly am contributing something useful by selling lamps to people
"Entry level" means "lowest paid position". People are so desperate for work that someone with 3-5 years experience are willing to take an entry level job. When enough do it, companies suddenly want nothing less. That means that people with no experience can't get their foot in the door and take unpaid internships and gig work so by the time they can get their foot in the door ta a real job, they have 5+ years experience and now companies want nothing less...and the cycle continues. Soon you'll be 50 before you have enough experience for an entry level office job.
@@cymonescurio you either need an increase in demand for workers, or fewer workers. As it stands Covid has created an artificial worker shortage as people found it more lucrative to live off government relief than go back to work. This has resulted in marginal increases in minimum wage in my hometown/city to incentivize people to return to work. Additionally, the US had been trending somewhere around 1.6 average births per family as of the last census (fact check me on this I could be wrong) but I remember noting the population was on the decline. So in the short term (next 10ish years) the job market may rebound with the lower birth rate, but then we’ll run into a problem of social securities as higher population generations age out and have no retirement savings. This is my take and open for discussion.
Experience is secondary - networking is everything on the other hand. I finished my master's in a natural scientific field right at the end of last year and have pumped out 35 applications (for jobs or PhD positions) since then - each with an individual coverletter. I got only singular response call from a recruiter, but the company contracting them didn't call me. Talked to a former collegue last week about my struggle "Oh, X is moving soon and they are looking for people I heard" Well, guess who got a position literally today after a short application and a brief talk after less than a week. The fucking absolute state of the world.
very true!!! its hard to even know how to get started approaching the mess that is Starting A Career if you dont already know someone with a foot in the door
How I got my first job after 6 years of job applications post-graduation... Friend knew the manager, job had a high turn-over rate. They ended up closing the building, but I was there to the very end. 3 years I spent there, was one of the senior workers so to speak by then... Haven't managed to find new work since.
After school, I applied to over 160 different positions, each with a different cover letter and tailored resume. After 6 months, I got 2 interviews and 1 offer. I had zero connections. But I know people who applied to less than 20 positions and were hired because they knew a current employee who could vouch for them. It's extremely difficult if you don't know anyone
@Crystal Kanashii Agencies can be a good way to get experience even with skilled work. And they will usually take on people with no experience. Just expect to flit between a few temp and cover roles initially.
Ive been seeing a lot of entry level jobs starting at 40-50, which is pretty solid, but want a minimum of bachelors degree with 4 years experience, masters with 2 years, or a phd. To sit at a desk all day checking tickets.
I finally feel understood! I battled this exact problem back in 2012 and 2013. The reason I have the job I have now is bc my boss was old-school with hiring. He saw I rode my bike every day to then work hard and ride back home. He saw this as an asset and a willingness to show up as on time as possible, not a reliability problem. My boss gave me a chance and I'm nearly 10 years in at this place.
20 years experience means: "we already have an internal applicant in mind but due to rules, regulations or being a public entity we are required to open the job to external applicants. So we tailored the job to the experience and resume of the guy we want, so that they get the job for sure because when they interview they will be the most perfect match." And now you know what it means and why they ask for so many years of experience. Because they are required to open the job to the public and give the job to the most qualified person. So they make sure their internal candidate matches job description 100%. 👀
@@jgih32 Probably they are hiring someone from another company/ about to leave said company. So they have to open the position and wait for said person to join them. Once the position is covered they remove the listing and thats it.
Some times there are laws that require a public entity (like a federal, state, or local government) to post all job opportunities even though they have someone internally they want to promote. This is usually done in the name of being an equal opportunity employer. Honestly it can exploited both ways. Some to expressly hire the internal candidate. Others to purposely not promote a deserving candidate.
@Indigo Rodent It is also a tool of some companies use to squeeze the shit out of their lower / mid level management. It makes it so even if someone has a job and works their ass off they don't have the level of security that you would want as a employee. It also drives down wages for internal promotions. I am unsure if it is a outlier but I have seen at my job low level managers working literally 14/6 with some Sundays as well. Meanwhile I work 8/5 (sometimes 6) have better health care and I'm totally fine with the amount of money I make in comparison to a new hire manager.
Basically everyone wants the best employees and no one is willing to invest in training people to be the best employees. They want you to have experience without being willing to be the one to give you experience.
Well they don't have to. The white collar workforce is massive and people are desperate for employment out of college. Blue collar work use to balance this out when it was more competitive in pay (or at least more livable, I should say), but now there is very little competition. Everyone is told to get a college degree or suffer. So most get a degree, and they run into these issues, because when everyone gets the same education, it loses value. Supply and demand I am afraid
I’m a recruiter and I will say that there is NEVER a person who satisfies all requirements. As long as you have an understanding about the job, are familiar with one or two tools they use, and want the position, then go for it! It may take a few tries, but a shotgun approach works best.
Apply for what you are qualified for! When you put your name in for a position you have no credentials for, you cause confusion and hiring delays as employers have to sift through hundreds of unqualified resumes to find the 10 qualified individuals. It wastes peoples time and money. Employers have to be more respectful of job seekers and quit wasting our time, money and self esteem by bringing us into interviews when they already have decided that they don’t want to hire us before we arrive. Employers seem to choose the best talker, then weeks later they are searching again because that person couldn’t handle the job and was hired because of age, looks, or sweet nothings. 1. Education, 2. Skill Set. Experience can be obtained in a variety of settings so ought not to be the game changer like it is being looked at right now, many who suck, got the job because of cheap talk and then got another after being canned and then got another because they got the first. That is why things are so inefficient and why service sucks. People who have much experience and no education, have been doing things in a shitty way for a long time, that is why it doesn’t get better because employees keep re hiring the same old duds.
@@KYurkhow do you know what youre qualified for when no one is willing to give you the opportunity to learn literally anything that is deemed necessary to know? This whole system relies on the concept that somewhere at some point in time a company fucked up by hiring you and now your stupid ass accidentally has X years of experience
For an actual Barista it makes sense because it's a complex enough job that in some countries requires being certified for because no restaurant/cafe/bar can afford to wait a couple of months until their new barista finally starts making things the way they're supposed to be made. For a waiter it CAN be justified, depending on the establishment and how high quality it is. Trust me, if you're a waiter in a fine dining restaurant there's more to it than you'd think. Behind the bar depends ENTIRELY on what kind of bar you're talking about. If it's a club? no experience necessary, no one gives a shit, they only give a shit if you can work hard (many can't), do you have energy, and that's the overrriding thing that a club bar manager want's. That's not the same thing a bar manager of a really good cocktail bar looks for, oh they want it too, but what they really need are the people who know 200+ cocktails and have them memorized and can actually make them well. Cocktail Barman is a Trade with a capital T. You need to actually LEARN it, you can't just jump in because you wouldn't be able to do it. You generally get into these jobs by being moved into it from other positions that have exposure to these jobs. If you want to be a commie chef, your two choices are either going to culinary school, or being a KP (dishwasher) and being around the chefs, if you're dedicated to learn and have exposure to the kitchen and chefs while working the dishes section, you'll become a chef if you want to because they'll hook you out of your job and make you a commie chef. They're always on the lookout for people wanting to do that because most of them did the same thing. Same with bars, want to be a cocktail barman but have no experience? Get an adjacent job and show interest, memorize cocktails etc, they'll scoop you up if you're in the right place etc. Not all jobs can be done with no prior experience, and not all jobs have college training to try to offset the balance of that. Now, those are all hospitality positions, in tech it's more fucked up. The job listings aren't usually made by people who know wtf they're talking about, because they work in HR rather than dev or networking etc, so it's ususal to see listing for shit that require 5+ years of experience in a framework that has only existed for 2 years. Ignore that shit, apply anyway because when you're being interviewed by a tech lead or a network architect, or even the lower echelon guys like network engineers or senior devs, none of that garbage matters because they know what they want and they know how their industry works. Automated CV filters are the only annoying thing.
It absolutely makes sense in most cases that you need to have some sort of experience. From my experience, if you want to work behind the bar but don't have the required experience, just start out as a waiter. I've been working as a runner for the barista for half a year and after that, I was ready to do the simple shit myself. After another 6 months, they would let me do the more complex things. It's a quick route and if you are willing to learn the skills and inner workings of behind-the-bar, you can skip some years.
If u are confident u can do it/easy job, just lie about it, thats how i got employed tho sadly, even though i already had multiple internship and being honest make my cv got ignored
Former bartender. The way to get this job is one of two ways. Be friends with a GM (easy mode) or ask for a bar back job. You’ll grab kegs, clean spills, and other “not fun” work. Do this for a year, max 2, will get you an opportunity as a bartender, especially with the high turnover in the industry.
I'm essentially disenfranchised due to my autism. Everyone I know would vouch for me that I have no problem doing much of the work out there, and that I have good critical thinking skills... But I simply cannot navigate the 20,000 layers of doubletalk it requires to get a job the traditional way. I'm just lucky I live in a country that supports me somewhat, and that I have family to make up the difference.
not autistic but adhd so im also nd i dont ever see myself being able to get a job because of how i react with situations jobs put you in i am terrified
Pro tip for resume: If there is a certain job you want at a specific company. Look for keywords they want to have for their resumes. And type it out in white(same color as the page) in the header space so that when the person word searching for resumes with those specific keywords in them(they all do) yours will pull up at the top. Doesn't matter if you actually have those words in the resume. The goal is to have them look at it .
@@naria2224 sorry, to get the most accurate answer I would have to ask my brother who informed me of this too. My best guess, words that related to experience. Specific abilities, Hard skills and soft skills(hands on and computer like skills) maybe certain traits. Each company would be different. But I would suggest. Look into the company/job title you are wanting to apply for then put as many keywords you can think of that they would possible look up. It doesn't hurt putting a bunch of them. The goal is to have as many words as possible that they could potentially type in to there program. That will then put the resumes in order of the most to least amount so they don't waste too much time. Another pro tip. If you are a female(this is shitty, i know) but if you have away to put your name down as a dude name. You're more likely to be seen. For example. Kristin - Kris , Alexis - Al/Alex. Things like that. Especially if you're apply for a predominantly male position.
Oh, so if there’s an algorithm looking for keywords they will detect the keywords (in white/ invisible). Regardless if you have the skills or not. Wow that’s really clever.
The whole "calling people lazy" thing has always struck me as odd. Why would I be too lazy to find a job? Searching for a job is full time unpaid labor, the laziest option is to get a job!
cause, not lazy people are born with a job when you were 1 year old did you work or not?! let me answer it, You didn't work!! you sat all day doing NOTHING like a lazy person IS
It also comes across like a typical boomer thing to say. Like, sorry that I can't get a job because nobody wants to hire high school dropouts with autism. It's really unfair to shame us for spending so much time looking for a job in the economy older generations screwed up. Especially when we have disabilities or illnesses that make it harder for us to do things.
It's typically a millenial/gen z thing. They are very lazy and weak. They aren't too lazy to look for a job, sometimes, but when they get one they are too lazy to work. And they're super resentful and cause a lot of drama because they think they're oppressed for "having to work under capitalism".
Job Listing: "ENTRY LEVEL. No experience necessary." Interviewer: "We have more interviews, we'll let you know." Email: "We selected someone who had experience."
@@EnjoyingEnjoyer Exactly, not sure why people think this is somehow wrong. They didn't lie: no experience was necessary to apply, that doesn't mean having experience doesn't apply.
Recently found a reddit comment from a guy who said he was turned down for having less than 10 years experience in an obscure programming language. He literally created that programming language himself. 7 years ago. Even documented the whole thing on his account back then.
Sounds fishy that a) he would need such a job, b) he wouldn't have simply told them that the programming language didn't exist 10+ years ago and that he created it (and that it wasn't absolutely in his resume), and c) the company would refuse to hire someone who was CLEARLY competent in the language if it's so obscure. I'm thinking clickbait, honestly.
I am constantly telling people where I work that we should hire people fresh out of college. Us senior people spend way too much time doing things that the fresh out of college people could be doing. I could keep an inexperienced but technically knowlegable person busy doing all that stuff and develop them into a mid-leve/seniorl worker. It would be way cheaper than having senior people spending so much time on repetitive entry level stuff. Of course they never listen and never hire those people.
Well, it could be worse. The could have listened, and get some poor fresh graduates to do unpaid internships to do those tasks. And then kick them out when they outlive their usefulness. That happens a lot around the world.
@@ajguevara6961 I wasn't advocating any "internship" unpaid or otherwise. I want our company to hire people fresh out of college as entry level full employees where they are going to want to stay and their value to the company would grow so that we would want to keep them. This is the way companies should work but they don't because they are too stupid and greedy to understand value compared to dollars.
The interns that we hired got to work on some exciting projects. I told my boss that I thought interns were supposed to work on menial tasks that nobody else wanted to do.
ohmygod THIS! I was going to apply for an UNPAID internship the other day and one of the requirements was "having done at least a 3 month long internship already" like you're not even paying me + you want me to already have experience aka know how to do most of the stuff on the job. So basically you want me to work for free? I hate it here.
@@Bluecho4 I don't think that's entirely fair. Internships are a hassle to deal with for the employer too and in most cases, the interns aren't really providing any substantial output for the company. They'd genuinely get better results hiring like 1 experienced guy than do an internship program and they know this. That more or less does indicate that they are for real vetting for new blood, however, the methodology is often pretty shit and the training is bad so barely anybody ever gets hired.
Yes. I’m going through a lot of stress because I need one more internship credit to graduate college and I can’t even get a callback. Probably because my other one is not finished yet. Like wow I can’t even work for free?!
The story of my grandfather (who worked for Inland Steel in Chicago). He had a sixth grade education. At the age of 27 he went to East Chicago, to the Inland Steel recruiting office. They trained him to be a welder - and he was a welder for 35 years till he retired (with a pension, those don't really exist anymore) in '93. On the money he made, he bought a 2 acre, 4 bedroom 2 bath brick home (that is now worth $425,000) and raised a family (3 kids). Hiring people in this way is what lifted so many people outa poverty into the middle class. Today, they want you to have a college degree just to clean the pits.
Or maybe go to a welding school, or join the union to learn. Companies will hire without work experience but they want education these days. Sadly gone are the days where a someone who never graduated advances.
Yeah, we need actual apprenticeships to come back, but you can still become a welder like that you just need to go to the union office or get certified at your local community college.
Honestly, having a job wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many hurdles to cross. And yes, I'd rather be told I didn't get the job than just never hear back from potential employers.
The main reason why they do that is because a lot companies are extremely messy when it comes to recruiting. Thousands apply but they only see a small portion of those applicants.
I was an Admin at a job where the Office Manager/Accountant literally said “I don’t like hiring people with college degrees because those people are not flexible learning new skills. They learned something one way and expect to do it that way versus learn a new way we do it.” Instant red flag 🚩 So I quit and went to college for HR. 😂
I would much rather have an HR person with good soft skills that I can mold than one that went to indoctrination camp. I can send you to take courses on employment law and payroll software; what I can't do is deprogram all that DEI nonsense those HR colleges teach you. It'd be like inviting a wolf to live with sheep.
Late to the party, but I had this one amazing experience with being ghosted for an entry level job. I was coming in with three years of actual applicable experience and applying to an entry level job. So of course they grilled me and tried to tear apart everything I had done in the industry. Afterwards I actually called them back multiple times (I was desperate at that time). They wouldn't even return my calls to let me know I didn't get the job! So fast forward four years. Now I have a bunch of experience, my professional licensure, and I bunch of projects under my belt. They call me up asking me to apply because "we really need people with your expertise and experience". Getting to tell them that I would never work for their company in a million years because they ghosted me (and I also now know they treat people like garbage) was super satisfying 😌
You had too much experience and they knew you wouldn't take the pay they could offer you. The only reason I know is because i went to an interview, once I found out the pay I declined it. They told me the they knew I would because of my experience.
Should have kept on agreeing to meetings and never showing and finally sending them why afterwards and they should be ashamed of themselves for burning this bridge with you.
My favorite thing is that they all want fancy degrees from expensive schools, but they aren’t willing to pay you enough to pay off the loans you had to take out to be able to go to those expensive schools to get the the fancy degrees.
@@a-s-greig even though college debt might be a you problem any company that expects a person to have an expensive degree understands that its in the company's best interest to keep you hired. It waste time and money to look for someone new to hire again. So if they aren't paying enough to keep their employees out of debt its a loose loose for both parties. One has no means of supporting themselves and the other has to go through the possess of hiring and preparing someone to fill an empty position that is no longer making them money.
Great arguments guys; you almost made me believe that these companies and hiring managers give a rip. Realistically speaking, yes, they should. But they don't.
Same, I'm a BSME and it's incredibly hard. I even considered joining the military (not that there's anything wrong with it, but they do technician work for the most part, not actual engineering)
I broke down a few times while job hunting after graduating in the middle of the Great Recession. I can't imagine how much more difficult it is with the Pandemic. Hang in there!
@@gizmofox5995 considering we're currently in Great Recession 2: Electric Boogaloo ™, and automation ate like 80% of entry level jobs, it's probably about 2-4 times worse than what you experienced.
Ha, I only got $15 an hour 25 hours a week after my bachelors and an 800 hour cyber security boot camp. Then I got laid off with about a dozen other people without warning when the company got bought out. Now I'm back in the job hunting world. :X
This is an old video but I'm going to comment anyway. I had SO much trouble getting a job after I graduated College it was insane. I eventually had to start applying for retail jobs totally unrelated to my field and would send dozens of applications a month and I rarely got called for an interview. I didn't have enough work experience for an entry-level job in my field and I had "too much" education for a retail job. I have an art/graphic design degree, can sew and crochet and I didn't even get an interview for a job at Hobby Lobby!
As insane as that is, I would argue that on your resume, if you believe that an employer will think that your education will make you too smart for the job, don't mention it. Only present the character that you want them to see, the elements of your character that will employ you.
That's me! That's where i'm at! Throw in crippling disability that is not recognized as valid by the united states for recieving benefits (type 1 narcolepsy) and you have a stew cookin
@@Riorozen this falls under the category of exploiting workers I find it hilarious that you make this comment immediately after the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action
Even when I was applying for a job in fast food, everywhere I went, they wanted experience. The only company that didn't was Five Guys, because they said they wanted to "teach me from the ground up," whatever that means. In other words, Five Guys is the linchpin of the economy. If they ever close their doors, nobody will ever be able to join the workforce again.
Yea same thing happened to me I got an interview at mcdonalds when i was like 17 and they asked about job experience Like it's a problem even at lower levels of employment
@@bob74h67 idk about you but as a teenager in my area everyone is desperate for employees so I could probably snag 5 jobs with light effort. My current mcdonalds job was the easiest thing of all time and the interview was just asking when I could work and then I was hired. Might just be seattle though 😂
@@perungod4112 Yeah same, i didnt even interview when I was a teen... i just walked in with my resume and they said "ok go get your food handling cert and meet us back here for training"
I graduated last year, currently job hunting, and like 60% of the listings are like this. It's such a weird phenomenon. Also getting ghosted all the time is _great_
Here in Hungary, it's not "some companies", it's *the norm* period. Either you're hired, or you're ghosted. Even if you call back to ask if you're still in the pipeline, companies will just lie to you. It's all about providing minimal information to prevent applicants from making well-informed decisions. Also, wage "negotiation": company provides no information on what you can earn, not even ballpark figures, and you get one shot at providing a number, after which you're either hired _at that price point_ or ghosted. If hired, you have to sign an NDA to keep your salary a secret - you may not even reveal it anonymously as an example salary for the industry, without mentioning the company. All to get you to low-ball out of fear of going jobless. (Even worse, as an employer, if you try to be honest and mention salary prospects in the job listing, other businesses will gang up on you to get it taken down.)
The only way to get an entry level job, is personal connections. Or being extremely charismatic. I have been job hunting since I turned 18. I'm 22 now. I've been employed for exactly 2 months in that time. I have applied to literally everything. I genuinely have no idea how 90% of people in my country are employed. Edit: got a job. Guess how? That's right. Old school buddy started a construction company. And thus I prove my own point.
@@paulsitt eh? I never worked FOR my siblings. They would just say to their boss, "hey, I got a dependable little brother looking for a job." The boss would say, "oh really? Since I know you're a good worker, then your little brother probably is too." I've gotten all but one of my jobs this way throughout my life
Found a job posting that said drama-free, no drama, etc. throughout the whole job description... I wonder what their last employee was like or the person creating the job posting. Big red flag.
@@hannahmashburn7101 But let's be real, there are a lot of millennials crying at work. Like...genuinely how difficult is it to put a cap on your emotions for 8-14 hours? I've been doing 60-90 hour weeks for the better part of 15 years and can't think of a single time crying or throwing a tantrum has ever helped accomplish anything.
@@ShredPenguins Its almost like the current climate is soul crushing or something. Generally it's not oversensitivity that drives people to a breaking point, its stress. The conditions of employees in this country are deplorable and have been for years, and now we dont even have the promise of having it better than the generation before us. If I had to work a job I hated multiple hours a week for garbage pay with people who treat me like garbage, I'd snap too. I dont think the millenials are the problem here
I really think some of these companies just ghost because they want to leave the door open if things go awry for them. I’ve literally gotten an email from a job I applied to a year prior, telling me they “now had an opening” and I should show up to training at certain places. A YEAR LATER.
I think another aspect is to reduce work. I have no trouble doubting that keeping the door open to hire a qualified person later is one motivation, but I'm fairly certain that people who are utterly unqualified to fill any position in a given company also don't get a rejection, simply because it would cost money and time to do so.
One of the funniest (and sad) stories I ever saw was that of a software developer that wanted to go for a job but that job required 15 years of experience in a certain coding language, a language he developed 5 years earlier.
Seriously. I never went to college and I have a decent job. But I would be pissed if I had to go through the same process as someone with only a high school diploma.
i applied for like 5 jobs and interviewed with one company back in 2016. i have been working for that company i interviewed with for 5 years now. granted, i am now terrified to leave/lose my job because i feel like i got lucky and will never find another job like it again.
@@adrianc6534 I got a job that I HATE 6 months after graduating, I feel like that too, but since I really hate the f*ing job, in my first month I started searching for something other. Not found yet, which corroborate to that thought. And I did everything by the book, studied my ass off to get in one of the best colleges in my country and all... Its frustrating as hell
Exactly my problem right now. I’ve been applying to multiple jobs and yet I haven’t received any responses. I think Sony was the only one that responded back with a “im sorry but we decided to go with another candidate”
They were never hiring in the first place. They just claim to be hiring to avoid paying PPP loans or to be complaint with the Equal Opportunity Employment act.
Just set a reminder to reapply every week. They obviously need the help if they still have the listing up. Your application made it through the automated checker if they interviewed you the first time. Not that I'd want to work somewhere I trolled that hard, but it's a way to ensure their laziness does not go unrewarded
I’ve lied about having a degree or even experience. Funny enough, most of the companies where I’ve done this didn’t even bother to verify my “credentials”. But don’t lie if you’re applying for high paying, government, or information/security sensitive jobs. 😉
I am retired and can’t imagine what it would be like to actually look for a job these days. I felt very fortunate. Since 1990, almost all of my jobs came to me. I didn’t apply for them. The employer had some history of who I was, and approached me. The last job I had before retiring was as a professor at a SUNY College. I was teaching a topic that I had never taken a class in. I did have four credited degrees, but they were in unrelated fields. I had been a hobby recording musician since 1967, and had done a guest lecture at a few colleges. So when this college was doing a talent search, my name was given to them as someone more than qualified. The college was reluctant to hire me, however. They had lost a professor, and it got to be within two weeks of the beginning of the semester and so they were between a rock and a hard place. When I took the job. I was very suspicious that it would be temporary as soon as they found somebody with actual credentials in the field of sound engineering. But I ended up doing so well that within my time there I became the professor with more teaching hours than anyone else in the department. I even retired briefly, but they begged me to come back, which I did for another few years. To be honest, I have no idea how to actually apply for such a job. I had never even made a résumé. They simply called me on the phone and asked me to come in for an interview that basically involved simply telling me what they were expecting of me as they handed me the keys. I held that professorship for 15 years.
Same here. I usually got jobs through word of mouth. I took a programming class at night and one of my classmates recommended me for a good engineering position.
Please, I'm more excited uncle Sam decided he's not gonna steal back a quarter of my unemployment money. Merry tax season you sad unemployed millennials 🥳
10 years unemployed here... even burger jobs and swinging a shovel for some road crew need apparently MORE experience than i have... and sad thing is i actually have almost 15 years in fast food... figure that crap out....
Companies just don't respect you before you have the job and if you're "lucky" when you have the job. There's also a lot of not legally okay questions on a lot of companies online applications. Asking about family income, and some other just inappropriate things
@@mikewhitaker2880 I completely agree. It's just really yikes that they get away with it and it seems like everyone is okay with it. Personal it's a chance for a job I'll hate > not falling for the inappropriate questions
Someone asked me “list all of the medical conditions you have” and I fell for it when I was 17. My mom after was like “they are never allowed to ask you that!” It was for a medical receptionist too.
As someone who recently jumped back into the job search…it’s horrendous. Like I actually have job experience and even still it makes me feel like I never worked ever because I “don’t have qualified experience” like what…and don’t get me started on having to attach my resume and then having to rewrite my resume
My favorite is when you are supposed to have 10 years of programming experience in a language that was invented 3 years ago. At that point I don't need your job I can just hop into my time machine and bet on the winning lotery.
Reminds me of that meme- "Cashier wanted" "Must be 18 years old" "With 20 years of experience" The thing that always bugged me about that meme was the fact that they wanted someone with 20 years of experience to do fucking cashier work.
Hr and marketing is where companies throw all the incompetent diversity hires the government forces them to keep. That way they dont interfere as much with daily operations. Sadly, when you have an entire industry (HR) that shouldnt exist (it only exists to keep the government lawyers off the employer's back), and is full of incompetent people who know they cant get fired, this is the result.
There's a famous post of a programmer who only had 8 years experience in a technology that they wanted 10 years of experience... that programmer made said technology.
@@marxthesocialist5231 They'd probably report him for being xenophobic/transphobic/sexist/racist/ableist/etc. I mean the guy thinks affirmative action a.k.a "diversity" hires is a bad thing. Of course he doesn't like H.R.
I know one person who used a rather extreme solution to this issue: while in college he set up a dummy corporation with its own website and a google voice phone number and everything and he used that as his two years of experience. When they called he gave himself a very good reference.
@@ThingsILikke In those big corporations, one person checks the reference and another does the hiring. Plus people can sound a LOT different on the phone versus in person. It was shady as hell but it worked out for him.
On the tech side of this, practically all employers demand to see your “projects”. You could argue that that’s better than requiring experience considering you can at least theoretically do it on your own, but it’s little help for someone who’s working a full-time, low-paying job just to get by, while having executive functioning problems and isn’t on excessive amounts of uppers
I'm not sure if tech is comparable to engineering in this way, but i was advised by professors to include class projects/assignments. If you have them on hand, they boost your credibility with minimal effort
@@jeremyg9323 sure, but that might only apply if your university actively focuses on projects. All of my projects ended up being incomplete embarrassments that show nothing more than participation in the class
@@jeremyg9323 also it’s only minimal effort if your classes also focus on presentability and documentation of the projects as you go, otherwise it’s actually a ton of work on the side to get them to a state where others can actually even see it
@@Subatomicfish fair enough. I guess my department/ university might be a little different from most after all :/ oh well. Just thought I'd try to help
The other end of the spectrum is just as bad. Try getting a job without a 4 year degree. So what if you served in the military and were trained to do the job, proving both your civic duty and your ability to rapidly train and stick to a career with an 80% wash-out rate? So what if you have 20 years of experience doing that job, can provide multiple training certificates, and a spotless record of service with numerous promotions? So what if you can also speak three languages? You don't have an actual degree? Sorry, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (well, if he were still alive). We won't even let you fill out our application. Try somewhere else. Ah, HR at its finest, taking the human out of Human Resources.
There are lots of civilian businesses that work with the military and focus on hiring members of the military. I'm not sure exactly where to go for more information but look into it.
Young/small companies usually want people with experience. They don't have the time or manpower to train people. They need someone coming in who knows their shit.
This happened when I was job hunting after finishing a coding bootcamp a few years ago. They wanted 10 years of experience in Angular, which had only EXISTED since 2016. Whathenidoeshuiadrcb??!?!?!?!?!
A few months ago I interviewed for an internship and it went really well. Got a call back a few weeks later and they decided to move on with someone else. No hard feelings, but the feedback? "The person we moved on with had previous internship experience"...
Yup that happens, and its stupid. They just wanted someone to do busy work on minimum wage with the least training possible. so don't beat yourself up, internships are to prepare you for full-time positions and they most likely weren't going to give you that experience.
Very true! Jobs are expecting internships now but even internships are hard to get... The nice thing about them is that they’re specifically looking for interns to turn into full-time later so it’s a really valuable opportunity but super competitive...
Yeah it definitely sucked at the time, lol... but here's some good news for y'all! I did end up getting an offer from another company I interviewed at a month after this one, and it's a much better fit!
I had an even more infuriating experience once: The employer went through the process of taking applicants and giving interviews, then decided to promote someone internally to the role. The whole recruitment process was a sham.
Been trying desperately to find a job while in the pandemic has been a mess. Got a call back today and then this popped up in my recommended, I have an interview tomorrow. Finally, wish me luck RUclips
One thing that frustrated me when looking for a job was the ghosting and not knowing how i could improve. I get that big companies don't gain anything from putting in that extra effort, but a two line letter giving you a rough idea of Why you didn't get the job could help people immensely sometimes. If you want employees, and I want to make some dough by working for you, tell me how to i can improve. (Again, aware this is all very unrealistic, but it would be nice, ya know?)
OR if they know they aren't going to tell you that you didn't get the job, they shouldn't say things like "We'll be in contact" or "We'll let you know if you did or didn't get it." I have never once gotten anything from a company that didn't want to hire me so they might as well just thank you for your interview and not say anything else if they know you won't be their pick.
The problem is much of the time they don't have a legitimate reason or critique regarding why they didn't choose you. Many companies have a core pool of perfect candidates who can all do the job, and they essentially just pick one at random or for reasons of bias (like appearance, age,etc). Typically if you're the kind of person to genuinely care about getting resume feedback...your resume is likely pretty good, haha.
I remember hearing that some companies aren’t even allowed to give criticism. There are too many risks where someone gets criticism and sues the company for discrimination or defamatory remarks. For companies, it’s just easier to say nothing than to possibly get sued.
they could still at least call and say you did NOT get the job though... the ghosting is a major issue.. honestly i think the whole application and interview steps are only being used to get our hopes up, specially knowing we likely had to spend money on gas just going to the damned interview.. and when your job hunting, its obvious money is already at a premium... otherwise we would NOT be job hunting....
@@graphicgraphitesOh I don't really expect feedback. I just want them to tell me I didn't get the f-ing job like they promised they would. "We'll contact you in 1-2 weeks time". I end up waiting 2 weeks for nothing.
My experience after graduating was that companies had a spot on their team for an 'unpaid' Asian Employee. An intern if you will, but it was just a rotating door with new person every couple months and was NOT a pathway to a job at the company. I bet they used temporary workers at first, before someone got smart.
This is a super common practice. And even those positions are competitive and worth taking because they are at least some work experience. It's a shame that's what counts as a decent opportunity for students these days though.
My theory is you put enough in the qualifications section that nobody will completely fit everything. Then you have a nice easy way (and legally defensible!) to say why you turned down any given candidate. Also, just ignore it if you're missing one or two qualifications. Or use it to get the job. We had a programming language listed as a qualification for one opening. When we asked if candidate had experience in it they said, "No, but I downloaded the software and some industry data and played around with it and here's some interesting results and pretty graphs I made with it so I feel confident I'll be able to pick it up quickly." They got the job.
So, these unrealistic qualifications exist purely to deny people that are otherwise qualified work? If this doesn’t motivate people to set fire to their HR departments, I don’t know what will...
@@FrankCastle-tq9bz If there's lots of qualified people for one opening you have to deny qualified people. You're looking for the most qualified person and an easy way to let the others down.
"It was humiliating" I feel this so much. I felt like I was groveling at HR's feet for the privilege of working. Job hunting is straight up dehumanizing.
To make it worse, most HR people don't really understand the jobs they're trying to fill. It's like having your grammar "corrected" by someone who doesn't even speak the same language as you.
I hope y'all enjoyed this video. Finding work feels like a full time job in itself and if you're in the middle of that, I wish you all the luck in the world.
For the algorithm's sake, *what's your dream job?* *Reply down below.* If people weren't so terrible, I think I'd like to be a grocer in a little town and just go about my day scanning broccoli. It seems nice :)
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Dream job would have to be violinist in the orchestra pits of Broadway shows
I think I’d like to be a teacher. It seems POG
I am currently striving to be a high school counselor. Now I know it's not a six digit salary kind of dream job, but it's been my calling since I was a high schooler.
my dream job would be an elementary school teacher in a quiet, diverse town
Published popular fiction author!!
"Entry level" now means "we want someone with full experience, and we're gonna pay the person the lowest wage possible"
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and here i thought entry level meant "we are advertising a job, to satisfy federal equality laws, but don't intend to hire you, unless you fill that race/gender slot we need for government money....."
@@mikewhitaker2880 no that would be better then what we actually have right now.
Every wage is always the lowest wage possible. You think your boss give you a raise out of the goodness of his heart? You think a bunch of managers sit around and figure what’s the cheapest they can make a team and then put 10% on top?
Your employer by definition pays you less than you are worth. Why else would they pay you if you make them less money than you are worth.
@@KarimElHayawan I disagree with just about anything you just said but only because of the second part. Under total capitalism what you said is true you will be payed the bare minimum while still working but in our current world and a world we should strive for you it should be impossible to pay some of the wages we do now and there will be less of a delta between how much profit you generate for the company and how much money you get.
They want people with
the energy of a 20 year old
The drive of a 30 year old
The experience of a 60 year old
The obedience of someone making 7 figures
And the pay scale of a 14 year old
The most obvious solution is.. outsource to a another country.
The last one especially!
U a real one!!
I mean what they _want_ is a slave. But only the prison system legally allows for it, so they have to take the next best form of exploitation.
@@heedmywarning2792 that’s exactly why businesses make those listings- they want to say they “couldn’t find an American to do this job” and they bring in an immigrant on an H1-B visa to do the job. The immigrants get no benefits and a very small amount of money, since the visa is the pay. The immigrants are being exploited and Americans are being robbed of opportunities.
The hypocrisy of "children are our future" when compared to "fresh-faced graduates with no experience are a waste of time" that is then compounded by "why don't they know anything?! (When they refuse to teach them...)" is staggering.
This need a highlight
I've read somewhere really interesting thing that in 2008 when economic crisis happened the job market was filled with professional people who had ton of experience. So since then, this ruined the job search for young, inexperienced people. And business started saving money and exploiting workers by pushing the idea that you need to volunteer or do internship for free to get a paying job. And these options are not affordable for majority of young people nowadays, because you still have to make money to survive. So most poor young people get stuck at retail or hospitality
@@zaliaLP Yeah and there are still people who believe those retail/hospitality jobs are only for teenagers with no bills and thus don't deserve to be compensated at a livable rate regardless of them being full time, high stress and strain jobs often enough (and that many adults of all age ranges work these jobs now).
@@Kilmoran 100%! It also adds that schools push all of their students to apply for uni/collage, because "if you don't get that degree you'll be a loser". In reality all they care about is school ratings. I literally remember my math teacher bullying those who were not good at math, saying that they are going to end up cleaning the streets. And not for one second we thought that hey, why these jobs are so demonised and underpaid. Why we all have to be "successful career people" to have a decent life?
@@zaliaLP College, in the end, is about pursuing the academic side of the world. It is not job training and unfortunately, as you just expressed, it is situated and perpetuated as if it is. It /can/ lead to better-paying work /if/ you are given an opportunity through either the diploma or, far more likely, the connections and resources gained through the process, but it absolutely is not in and of itself a path to work.
As you also mentioned, the devaluing of necessary jobs (ironically) is prolific, but there is the middle ground of blue-collar which is so fundamentally and infrastructurally underserved that college still appears to be the only real option for "success". Merit and work are simply not (and rarely has been). This is not something we cannot fix... To the benefit of the powerful business interests in fact, but the resistance of allowing people to have a path to gain or prove their ability is for whatever reason locked behind the presumption of a lack of some natural ability or circumstance. It is bizarre to me.
True story.
I went for an entry level position specifically mention “Fresh graduate encouraged to apply. No experience needed, training will be provided”.
First thing the interviewer asked me was “Do have any job experience?”
I said “No”. She then proceeded to berate me because of that. Walked out confused and angry.
I've called people liars directly to thier faces.
"You're gonna sit there publish an ad for a entry job no experience then yell at me for no experience?!
The only liar here is you lady.
This is practically false advertising"
i got so mad when i applied to target once. i checked every box except unloader, i wont take pay that bad for a job that bad. i get a call for an interview for 'one of the positions i applied to' so i show up.
first off, the lady said i would only get 20-24hrs a week and 'whatever minimum wage is' so before i walked away based on the offensively bad pay,
i asked 'well which job would this be for' and of course her response was 'truck unloader is all we have available for you'
at that point i was done. i got up and said 'why the hell did you even call me' as i walked twards out
for some reason she was actually shocked, she showed no interest at all in hiring me, seemed like she was just there because she drew the short straw, but me rejecting her seemed to actually wake her up a bit.
thankfully i dont work retail or anything similar to it anymore. its a good place to start, and if youre on hard times it makes sense to take something, but its really not something most people should stick to
@@bradhaines3142 Smart
Seriously thst job is back breaking labor for pennies.
I'm not afraid of hard work
I'm afraid of terrible pay.
That’s not entirely out of bounds. A fresh graduate would have had at least one job as a teenager
@@jth_printed_designs excuse you, it most certainly is out of line. They literally said no experience was needed and training would be provided. Words have objective meaning regardless of your worldview and expectations.
Also, to your point about most teens having had a job, that's laughably false. Actual government data shows that less than 33% of 16-19 year olds have jobs, part-time or full-time. It only goes over 50% when you extend the range to include people up to age 24.
The point is: it's entry level *pay*. They want a very experienced person, but at an entry level pay. Wage crushing is rampant.
When I first watched this video I thought "that's dumb" like everyone else. Then I thought of an important question: are they asking for 1-2 years work experience in the same field or just at any job? If they want 1-2 years of work experience anywhere that's actually totally reasonable. If you get a job every summer through college (which you should probably work more than this to help pay for college) you will have 1 year of work experience. Add the summers since you were 16 during high school and you have almost 2 years of work experience.
Plus the fact that more jobs are becoming automated as well as the retirement age increasing which means people are working at their jobs longer and preventing newer people from getting into them.
@@jacobpinson2834 Last I checked they were asking for 30 years work experience and a college diploma.
@@animorph17 in other words they would be hiring a 50 year old man
@@jacobpinson2834 the ones I've looked at want experience in the same field of work which is annoying when Ur straight out of school/college because its just: need a job; get a job for experience then we will give u a job but until then we won't give u a job to gain any experience to get a job
Don't forget about your good ol unpaid internships that want prior internship experience. Jr. Level interns and senior level interns. Even chief executive interns.
Underrated comment LOL, can absolutely relate
Dude get out of here if people want to hear you whine they can watch your channel
@@Joseph-ub5wh who is the one whining here?
@@JoshuaFluke1 you're monetized just to complain about how much cooperate America sucks. And it amazes me how many people buy into it. I get it we all got to make a living some how to survive. If your making it off whining to millions about how getting different types of jobs sucks I applaud you. I barely see anyone offering unpaid internships anymore and it's not hard to get a job either. Working conditions will vary however not every employer treats their workers such as a company like Amazon. Other than that I hope everything goes well for you and you're new girlfriend once you move into the house you've belt and get out of the girlfriend's parents basement.
@@Joseph-ub5wh You're the guy who REALLY likes team building exercises aren't you?
Why I never feel bad when employers whine about a “worker shortage.” The labor market has been rigged in their favor for far too long.
I am NOT scapegoating or excusing employers when i say this but a lot of people are not looking for jobs cause after being forced to use Welfare are now realizing they're making just as much money on Welfare as they were working their prior job.
@@sir8513 well the problem is that welfare (from what I've heard of, with no personal experience with it) only gives barely just over minimum wage (and possibly per person? Again not sure as I have no personal welfare experience)
@@rxvenii6975 it can be even less than minimum wage in states that have higher wages. It only becomes a good bit of money if you have kids, but single adults don’t get much.
I'm currently on welfare payment and I'm looking for work. I have a monthly target of the amount of job applications I need to send. I don't think the statement about if people are on these payments then they stop looking for work. The amount is not enough to live a good life and save money for the future. And for me I find working fulfilling other than just stay at home all day. I want a job real bad. Major barriers to employment is like what mentioned in the video. Employers want experienced staff. That's it.
I agree. Make business work for us for a change
There is this story that floats around the internet about an IT guy, who wanted to work at a company but was rejected because the company wanted a specialist if a certain language with 5 years of experience with that language. Only that the guy was the one who created that specific language - 3 years ago.
It was an api called "fastapi". Good meme, terrible situation
Capitalism summed up
They literally lost the creator of said language due to their incompetence.
I heard that story, didn't know they literally made the language
Same story with DevOps in many Eastern European countries. Some companies wanted 5 years of experience for a methodology and skillset that solidifed only 3 years prior.
Needing job experience to get an entry level job sounds like the job version of the MosDef quote "Why do I need ID to get ID? If I had ID I wouldn't need ID."
Work experience doesn't always refer to experience in the specific field. A lot of places don't want to hire someone who has never held a job before, so any job could be considered work experience
@@sentjojo ay funny enough there's a comment right below this one that has a rebuttal to that notion, it being the fact that oftentimes relevant and extensive training or even internships in the target industry get downgraded in usefulness compared to arbitrary experience in a different field
@@sentjojo then it isn't entry level, entry level is not per field. It is just bullocks
@@0Arcoverde I disagree. "Entry level" does not mean "first job ever". Employers expect basic competency in things like showing up for work on time and following instructions from management. These are things expected in a min wage job that you get as a teenager before graduating
@@sentjojo how would you evaluate "entry level" + "6 years of experience of graduate level work in this specific software for this specific field that alone demands half of a degree just to get familiar with"?
Any Boomer who claims getting a job is easy these days hasn’t applied to one in decades.
And then they have the audacity to call us lazy and stupid amongst their endless criticising. Say anything to that generation though and they explode. Like typical bullies, they can dish it out but they can't take it.
I CANNOT WAIT until my Dad retires and FINALLY sees what I’ve been trying to tell him about the job market. Hes a classic Boomer who got a job right our of school and climbed the corporate ladder. He has too much experience now, on the other end, but it’ll be just as troublesome. I’m not going to even need to say I told you so because he’s going to get that a soon as he starts applying.
Maybe you shouldn't of gone to college and seen how it's a poor investment?
Never went to college, instead spent the last decade to get a variety of work experience and now I have a relatively high tier job.
@@zachburskey8868 College was very worth it for me. I wouldn't have the job I love without it. But I'm all for anyone finding their own path, college or no.
@@PogieJoe Fair enough, college is a good route for realistic careers. But I get frustrated with how much debt the college fad creates. Also how many people went to college for years and don't work in the field they studied and instead work at managers at restaurants.
The biggest person I know that had a rags to riches story was a guy who got a HVC license and now takes month long vacations in south America at his vacation house every year.
“Ok I studied for years to get this degree, I did a little bit of internship.”
“You must have at least 7 years experience in this specific part of the job”
“It was only invented like 4 years ago”
“Did I stutter?”
Ah yes, the API that you were supposed to be using before it was developed...
Also employers: why is it so difficult to find quality candidates?
Did you mean flutter? 🤭
Looking for blockchain developer.
Must have 20 years experience with blockchain.
And this is international.
In fact I actually went through yet another attempt at job hunting this year and... It sucked.
The term _entry level_ should be legally protected, and should be defined as _a position in a company that requires no prior experience._
then the "job demand" will just finish.
Disagree. People use the term subjectively. Some describe "entry level" as relevant to their industry whereas others describe it as a bagger at a grocery store or a server. One could argue an analyst or associate on Wall Street are entry level, which they are, and even though no work experience is required they're still very competitive and difficult jobs to get. Plus if you want to be an associate you need an MBA and prior work experience in other industries will look favorable to you compared to just intern experience in an analyst position.
End of the day if you want more experienced candidates for your entry level position and you want to wait longer for that candidate to become available that's fine. You may miss out on a great candidate or you may dodge someone a bad one.
Sure, but when people are sorting through applications, they will hire people with experience over no experience every time. It’ll just go Unspoken.
They're just going to tell the hr people to use a different term xD
---entry level--- "low speclization"
If you don’t get the necessary experience from college, then why make it a requirement to go to college??? This system is really messed up.
jobs: "forget everything you learnt in college, it is unnecessary"
"i didnt go to college"
"you are not qualified for this job"
true story
Because you’re not a real employee unless you’re seven figures in debt.
@@BlitzkriegOmega
I died. This sounds too accurate
Absolutely. College is a scam.
@@zyugyzarc *surprised pikcatchu face
Job requirements: Have 20 years experience, a PhD, and be willing to receive a "competitive" wage of $16 an hour.
*OR*
Have 0 experience, a high school diploma and know someone who works here.
I worked in a small warehouse for about a year and literally everyone who was there or got hired knew somebody already there
@@marcoaraiza9381 I live in an area where almost every business does this except for the fast food places. You can't even fold t-shirts at the mall without having a relative be a manager.
why this is so true..
@@FullMoonOctober Alabama be like
@@DavidHowe-nv1nb or how about not assuming all ppl are psycho and if they are just fire them
If college doesn't prepare you for the jobs... What the hell am I paying for
College is a scam. Pure and simple
He's right you know
Trade school is a option, but nobody give a shit.
Only Med school are descent and don't follow the shit tendency from nowaday.
You paying them to give the college certificate that you can't really use because everything need experience
IT field is filled with self taught people who use the free education provided to them by major companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. And get their own certificates for some hundred dollars. They learn in virtual labs and take that experience with them to the real workplace where they can apply all that practice. Sure it's a 30K annual salary but it's a job.
I work marketing in the recruitment industry. One thing that stuck with me was something a client told us: "Everyone needs to start somewhere, but not everyone can start with us."
EVERY employer thinks this way. Nobody wants to give newcomers a chance, even when the role they're trying to fill is "entry level" and can be easily done by a fresh college graduate like a receptionist job. Geez.
I hate my life.
@@xotwod3254 me too
Me three.
Amazing to see they’ll say it straight up, it boils my blood to sift through marketing jobs that advertise “for recent grads” and yet want you to do everything under the sun (and it better be perfect and don’t expect training or support)
Exactly. I don't be getting hired for jobs that are so simple and straight forward a college grad could def do it. It just sucks out Here.
Interviewer: So...why do you want to work with us?
Applicant: I am very passionate about *not starving to death.*
Interviewer: You need 5 years worth of experience plus a certificate, do you have it?
Makes me think of one time when we were crossing the border and the guard asked my husband where he worked, so he answered, and then the guard asked WHY he worked. My husband was like...uh...to pay for food??
I hate this question with a PASSION!
i hate that question so much, like why do you think???
I honestly hate this question but I've decided to try to reword it to "so why this business specifically?" As if they were asking me why didn't you go for the place down the street instead. It's helped me answer better but doesn't mean I don't hate this question any less.
I don't even know what my dream job is anymore. I want dignity, I want enough money to keep my life stable and pleasant, I want enough free time to actually rest and pursue hobbies, and I want to retire someday. It's ridiculous that these can be seen as ridiculous expectations!
Anyway, to all other current job hunters in the comments: good luck out there!
SAME
Thank-you. Good luck to you too:)
Any job in the first world guarantees you that you're just an indulgent wastrel.
THIS!
Nobody knows, there is no such thing as a "dream job" ,all jobs have their ups and downs
Just keep trying new stuff and you will find whatever you are looking for (I hope so)
Probably worse than getting completely ghosted is being ghosted then suddenly getting an email 6-8 months later to tell you you didn't get the job :/
Had that happen. Also once they checked if I was still interested but of course I couldn't take it then (not that I wanted to at that point)
This happened to me so often. I was like really...it’s been almost a year since I applied lol
I know right and not just small companies no ones ever heard of. Microsoft. Applied and got rejected 3 months later. Like wtf how unprofessional is that? One of the largest tech companies on earth cant get back to you any sooner.
It’s so disrespectful and discouraging. However it makes me feel better because who want to work at a company that’s so full of shit that they can’t even email you
I’ve had that happened to me but it was 3 months later and they were asking for an interview and I had already gotten a job.
I just got rejected from an "Entry level" job where they were asking for a full stack developer with 5 years of experience. Entry level simply means we'll pay you pennies.
Depends on what field of work. Tech in this instance they always ask for the moon.
whats full stack dev? you mean to tell me that college doesn't teach you everything? bruh what jobs in compsci can u get after just getting out
@@hungry_khid1007 Full Stack dev is someone who can handle front end (Think website design) & back end (Databases, etc). It’s absolutely luscious to ask for an “Entry Level” full stack developer.
Before the pandemic I got rejected from a minimum wage job and during the interview they surprised me by asking if I'm willing to do my job AND the job of another guy they had working there since he couldn't do his own job. Some of these places are a fuckin joke.
@@vladiiidracula235 There's too many developers now claiming to be "full stack" thinking it's going to improve their chances of a high earning position. In reality, they damage the profession and dumb it down to the point it's just a name thrown around by fools.
"Forget everything you learned in college. We'll teach you how to do things the *right* way."
Well it's a good thing I didn't go to college.
"Oh. In that case, you're unqualified for the job."
...
That irks my nerves bad!
If we need to relearn how to do stuff PROPERLY, why do we waste 3-5 years in universities? Seems like the system is broken and no one bothers fixin the damn thing.... 🙈
This makes no sense, but my assumed explanation would be that something like college is intended to filter out the less capable people. Or maybe the college is supposed to teach you something else other than knowledge
@@UshankaMaster That is partially correct however I want to add that the knowledge you gain from college is foundational and it will indirectly relate to the work you do in industry (working in field usually means dealing with a very niche subset of the college knowledge and going deeper within that niche). For context I am an engineer that graduated from electrical engineering at the end of 2019, I landed an engineering graduate program at a top tech firm which started in 2020 and my starting pay was $105K.
College teaches you some core skills (if you choose the right major) like problem solving, learning complex materials quickly and being able to communicate said information, independent learning/research etc.. These skills form a valuable basis for learning and adapting to any job related to your field of study AND ALSO serves as a filter for weaker candidates that can't pass the mandatory calculus 1-3, advanced physics, circuit theory, programming, digital systems, control systems courses etc. In fact, my university class started with 200 people and whittled down to just 12 or so at graduation time.
I also had to compete with about 6000 other engineers for my role (they took in 100 grads for the 2020 program out of 6000 applicants).
@@yt_nh9347 12 out of 200? Quite hardcore
finally i've got the word for how job hunting feel. dehumanising
Actually i think the most human thing there is. “If you don’t provide value for me, go somewhere else.”
Do you want a friend or partner that brings nothing to the table and instead expects you to start all the conversations, be the one to invite them out all the time, and generally do everything to keep the friendship/relationship alive? You have to do your part to, or else it’s one sided and unfair.
@@avpthegreat But this isn’t a relationship like with a friend or partner. Your employer is someone who pays you and provides your livelihood. There is an inherent power dynamic that is not (or should not be) there with a friend/partner. They are supposed to be your mentor. They are investing in you, which is supposed to benefit both sides. It’s dehumanizing because all they see is how much something will profit them. They don’t care if you’re willing to learn and dedicate yourself. Like the video said, they don’t see you as a human-something that grows and evolves over time. They see you as an expendable part that fits into machine NOW.
@@gaaralvr4695 Employment can be an investment but it’s also a risk. If you aren’t convincing a potential employer that you can bring value to the table, then they’ll take the guy who can. So not only do you have to convince the employer you’re right for the job, you also have to convince them you’re better than the 50 other guys applying for that same position.
Dating and to an extent, friendships, function in a similar way. You have to come across as a positive, interesting person or else no one will surround themselves with you. Time and money are finite resources, and human beings make decisions daily about what to spend those resources on.
As far as profit goes, of course profit matters, it’s a company. If they hired people willy-nilly, the company goes under and EVERYONE loses their jobs. Did you think about that? Maybe try and consider the bigger picture here.
@@avpthegreat Hiring everyone =/= making the hiring standards what they were before the recession.
The problem here isnt that it's not feasible for employers to hire entry level workers, its that they got spoiled on hiring skilled workers that were out of jobs due to economic downturn and dont want to go back despite the change in climate.
Also the relationship thing is false equivalence. An employer in no way resembles a boyfriend or a friend. They're more like a trade partner. The trade is, my time for your money. Ideally, an emloyee would be able to negotiate reasonable pay, as would be with trade but this is not the case and there in lies the problem.
The employers have forgotten their responsiblity to society via the employed. Their role is to provide for those that generate value for them so that they can in turn generate value for society through commerce. This cant happen if employers put their bottom line before everything else.
@@avpthegreat Also hiring a few entry levels that dont pan out well isnt going to pull a company under. Its actually not very costly on the company's end to simply fire workers that dont meet up to the standard and hire new ones.
This is mostly because the applicant pool is massive and entry level positions really dont require much in the way of expensive training.
It's crazy to think that 70+ years ago, going to college or university GUARANTEED you a life long career afterwards. Employers were like "if you go to school, we'll hire you for life - all benefits included". Businesses were like family, and everyone was treated as valuable. Like some of the other comments mentioned, they'd even train you on stuff you weren't familiar with.
Now, you go to school, get a s*** ton of debt, work hard, graduate, and remain a debt slave to a system that promised you a better life but ripped the rug out from under you in the end...
I think it because business becomes more international and your boss can hire people around the world , has access to cheap labor force from Asia. I guess we need old fasion cold war with China and brics.
That’s why Made in Asia often wins, because ppl like you can only think of barricading yourself from them, but too lazy to think of outcompeting them.😂
We have a much more skilled economy now and employers know that they can always find someone with that experience who can hit the ground running. I have also noticed that when employers say that they are going to train you, most don't really mean it. What they really do is throw you to the wolves and leave you on an island by yourself. Back in the 90's, when they said training would be provided to get you up to speed, most employers meant it.
@@themetalhead1463 The job market has replaced the role of natural selection.
Everyone and their mother having a college degree has made them worthless. Jobs that hardly require a pulse, much less a GED or HS diploma, now require a Bachelor's. The government student loan program has utterly destroyed the workforce balance in the US, not to mention sent tuition rates to the moon and back.
Even with experience, my most annoying 'new' hurdle is employers and resume coaches telling me to make my resume sound LITERALLY more accomplished. Like, "so this is what you DID at all of your previous workplaces, but what did you ACHIEVE, like where are all of your metaphorical trophies?" and sometimes you can think of one or two examples but ya eventually just get exhausted and want to say "Biiish, I ACHIEVED keeping my head down long enough to pay my bills every month and stay off the street". X'''D
Honestly it’s a game of making shit up. “I achieved consistent customer satisfaction and helped the company run smoothly” for quick example. It’s practical and social knowledge over actual retelling of events (cause cmon, that sentence is true for everyone). Getting a job and doing the job basically require two completely different skill sets
@@DeathnoteBB True for everyone except me apparently since I basically got fired on my first day for nervous-vomiting since I had no idea where the bathroom was. I still have nightmares about that one! :'D
@@StormTheSquid oof my condolences. That sounds like a nightmare
@@wa4645 The worst part is, I had spaghetti earlier, so the floor was covered in half-digested pasta.
Well, ideally you want applicable experience that would help with the job, if you used software before, even if just for an hour or two, put it down. At least you can say you are familiar with it. That’s probably what they mean.
I definitely get why employers want someone with experience, that makes total sense. My only thing is if you’re going to require 3-5 years experience, DON’T CALL IT ENTRY-LEVEL!
If I had 3-5 years experience than I already “entered” this career field 3-5 years ago and don’t need an entry level job.
Exactly... 3-5 years is already associate level
entry level relates to pay not experience in most cases
@@Aiviymatoc if thats the case, then it doesnt make any sense. A teller in multinational bank get paid higher than a teller in a small local bank. But we dont see a senior level vacancy for teller in multinational bank and entry level vacancy in small bank.
@@Aiviymatoc then they need to change the terminology at worst, and change the fucking payscale preferably
Facts.
The best is when you search for entry-level positions that don't require experience while constantly hearing about the severe labor shortage. That's my favorite
What is also great is seeing that you don’t have enough experience for an engineering role, so you look at technician roles, only to find that you don’t have enough experience for them either. Like what the actual hell?!?
*Urgent hiring !!!! *
Then proceeds to have an incredibly drawn out multistep hiring process.
The industry has no reason not to say they have a labor shortage. A higher labor supply is to their advantage. Plus, the industries have connections to for profit trade schools.
@@synthstatic9889 so how does constantly complaining about a labour shortage help them?
@@erickpalacios8904 More people enroll in expensive, for-profit schools. The labor supply expands, allowing companies to pay lower wages.
Ill never forget the stories of back when companies were asking for like 7 years of experience with java when the language was only 3 years old at the time
Honestly, let's normalize actually calling people back and telling them they didn't get the job rather than ghosting them. Period!!!
Ain't no body got time for that
I never understood that whole practice. It would give the employer a chance to tell the applicant what things they need to work on or certificates that would help. Instead, the applicant just goes on to a different company and the original company is left looking for an employee they can't find.
@@GeneralChangFromDanang they can simply automate an email saying "you didnt get the job". But they cant give feedback on every applicant about what to improve. Imagine you have 5000 applicants, and you only need 2 or 3. Screening their application is already exhausting enough, who got time to give personalized feedback for 4997 applicants.
I think that, at a minimum, if they required you to right a cover letter - they can at least tell you you didn’t get the job.
@@herefortheshrimp1469 and by write a cover letter, you mean go into the cover letter generator of any resume building website
My favourite part is when these small unknown companies ask “why do you want to work for us”.... to get paid what else 😂
Lol for reals. I miss my old boss because she was so real. She told me during my interview that she didn’t give a crap about the resumes she wanted to know the person and asked me really why I wanted to work at the dumpy company I was applying to. I said: “okay honestly, I have a huge employment gap from being my mom’s caretaker and need the experience and money.”
Ya considering you've probably never even heard of them until their company name pops up in a job listing 5 hours old on indeed
@@Saturn890 Bruh, being a caretaker for your mom is a job. It took effort, compassion, and time. It also shows you are a loyal person. Put it on your resume and use "life and work experience" to broaden the scope of your experience section.
True. Their companies are fancy and nice. But I wouldn't care for our unless you hired me, even then I don't really care about the company. So, I always have the urge to say "money' when they ask those questions.
@@manga626 I’ve always wanted to reply with
1) pay off my rent
2) pay off my student loans
3) buy myself something nice 😂
After years of being told “just get a job and move out, it’s not that hard” by my parents, they’re splitting up, and now they’re trying to find cheap housing. My mom straight up called me and said “I am so sorry, I had no idea” NO SHIT, SHERLOCK
I love it when boomers are hit in the face with that realization. The constant confident denial of our situation by entire generations, has in the past truly gaslit me to the point ive thought im just not good enough to make a living. When i see them face the realities they ignore, that brings me so much peace of mind
Yes!
Ah, lucky. Mine got her job thanks to a friend, and now she think it's that easy for everyone. I'm a full time student but she also wants me to find a full time, good paying job while i'm still studying... "Well how did you think I do? Just give your resume to everyone and someone will end up hiring you. You're just being lazy". This is not how life works, mom
@@maevab2923 I love this comment rn.
I was in a similar situation for a while when I was young. I had a good job but got called a bum for not having my own place. (Literally only my second year into working) then parents split up. Both of them struggled to find affordable housing and were asking if I could "roommate" with them to be able to afford a apartment.
Here I am 22 graduated from college last may with a degree in graphic design and now 200+ applications later, im working at a job 11 dollars an hour. America truly is the land of opportunity.
Holy crap, I feel so much better after reading that. I graduated with a similar art degree but applied for every graphic design job or anything remotely similar and it took so many applications until I found my first job out of college.
Doesn't graphic design depend more on your portfolio?
Lol, should've gotten a STEM degree
You doing good, I made 7.25 after college degree at 22.
@@-SP. as someone who graduated from graphic design, it's not just your portfolio. I had mine sent to several applications through online.and most of them ghost me or rejected me because I was underqualified (mind you, they never put a number of experience so I.assume they accept entry level). Meanwhile I got laid off (dare I say, fired) from my previous and first job because I am overqualified. That job only lasted 4 months and never did they told me I was on probation.
Ok but there are job listings that DON’T accept internships as work experience. *WHAT’S THE POINT OF INTERNSHIPS THEN?!*
They are decoration I guess
Legalized white collar slavery.
Exploitation, I thought that was always obvious.
Free internships are dumb. Don't do them, unless you clearly see the benefit for yourself
fills out the empty space on your resume
I've seen job offerings such as, "filing clerk, minimum 5 years experience". Honestly, after 3-4 months you've learned pretty much all there is to know about filing documents at a given workplace.
Often times that’s done as a tactic to both scare away people from applying
and to also ensure you get people you don’t have to waste resources to teach the basics of the job.
@@darth3911 then years later they complain about "worker shortage".
I am essentially a filing clerk at a law firm. I got it as my first job. Only 2 days a week, but I had literally no prior experience. Filing is mostly easy except when files are missing from their normal locations and papers aren't labelled correctly.
Oh yeah Love those jobs. I call them to call them retards and proceed not to enter 😂 Still find a job rather easily.
I need only one or two weeks to obtain the filing experience.
Although it's understandable companies want experience, at some point we're gonna have to face that there is a big group of people out in the world which are skilled, educated an qualified but can't get a job they are trained for because of the idea that no company wants to invest in people without experience.
Doing retail work for two years won't give the experience expected so even that won't really help you get a job in a different field, so how is someone to get a job when in their field?
I've had people tell me my internships didn't count as work experience or that my degree wasn't enough for a traineeship... honestly, the system just seems kind of broken...
yep.if you look at it as you wanting to hire someone for something then you would also want people to have experience in that field xD.
@@scno0B1 of course, but at some point you have to wonder if it's okay and normal for all companies to only hire people with experience. For one part it's kind of a risk to the society for having a lot of unemployed people. Both sides have their argument, but it sucks when you're the one trying to find the job and people won't even give you a chance or reply.
Some job markets can't properly support entry positions. If enough working professionals already exist to support the market, then it's very difficult for anyone new to enter. But people are still getting degrees for these fields and making the problem even worse. Too many people qualified for a job market means a lot of people's skills are not needed
The system is an arm of capitalism. Of course it's broken.
This is why some companies have focused "promote from within" programs, where there are truly entry-level positions that can get you in the door and give you time to prove your skills/demeanor. UPS does this. You can get hired during peak season when they'll take almost anyone, make a good enough impression to stay on or get rehired after peak, then work your way up with training support based on your career goals. The entry level work is tough, and you still need to prove desirable for promotion, but the system is there. If only the general workforce had better school-to-career programs. Off the top of my head the only industries like this are skilled laborers, logistics, and some types of nursing. The field of education tries to do this, but not every region has that kind of relationship, and programs don't always translate between different areas.
I have heard of stories where ppl get rejected because they are over qualifying for the job. So you have graduated and you lack the experience or you’re too good, you are not allowed to have a job 😭
That’s effectively force retirement at that point.
I don't get that
That is why if you have a college degree and applied to jobs that are labor jobs like only require a high school diploma. You don't put your college degree. The reason from my own experience. I would always get ghosted for such jobs. The moment I took off my 2 college degrees and lied about work experience at a previous labor job. I was hired on the spot. I then worked and found out I was short handed and they abused me. They made me work 7 days a week at a grocery store. I had to change price signs come in at mid-night on the weekend on a sunday to put up sales signs and then come back in on monday. Pay was minimum wage and I ended up quitting. The reason the won't hire college grads for such jobs is because they don't want you to have the option of quitting. They want you to be in a financial position where you have not choice but to bust your ass for pennies on a dollar. I personally would see this as modern slavery because they set you up to be in such a situation. I got another job working in urgent care. I would see my manager hire people. There was this old lady that she was mexican she spoke broken english. She worked as a cleaning lady at a hotel. She wanted to work as a medical assistant has no certificate or education in it. My manager hired her. So, she g ave her 2 weeks notice to her other employeer. Then when she worked 2 days with us. Our manager being a lady had a hot mexican guy reach out to her. He was younger than her. So, she had the hots for this guy. She hired him. Then told the mexcian lady that she's fired. She was crying. She then after 4 days came back begging for her job. It was because her previous employer replaced her quickly. So she couldn't find work . She ended up being homeless and would walk up and down our main road asking for money. So, I seen what these companies do.
@@arbitrarylib basically pay them more which company dont wanna do and we want u to grow from the company
well you can get a job if youre overqualified but you yourself are probably not going to want to because the pay is horrible.
Have you come across the theory that employers are asking for this kind of experience as a result of the 2008 financial crisis? It’s come up again during the beginning-of-the-pandemic crisis, but basically higher level employees were losing their well suited jobs, freaking out, applying for anything they could, and taking those entry level jobs from people who were actually new to the field. Then when it came time for employers to refill or add to those jobs, they realized they wanted those higher level employees doing them for the low low cost of entry level work. Basically fucking everyone over in the process
😱😮
Yep 😢
Which is how you get the wonderful thing of "Recent college grad" 20 years experience
If an older employee lost their job due to recession...maybe used their savings to get a degree...and then re-entered the work force applying for anything and everything within their field...............They're the perfect candidate for what these employers want.
Sneaky ageism is sneaky. :(
Hol up, won't that just cause another depression since you can have a future if you LITERALLY stop the 'future'
🤯
It's not that the jobs are entry level, the pay is.
Exactamundo
Even if the job is actually entry level, employers are so obsessed with the idea of having a more experienced applicant for no other reason than just in case they can expect even more from the employee than what the actual position requires. And in the current situation, they can get away with it.
Even if the jobs posting says no experience required, they will ask for it and probably count you out if you don’t
Yep, you'll be working 3 jobs for the salary of 1.
To answer your last question, it is NOT hard to get back to a candidate if they don’t get the job as a recruiter. It’s literally one click of a button for a mass email template.
- a former recruiter
It may surprise you how unorganized some companies are lol
assuming that a recruiter is doing the job.
I've worked as a recruiter.... my job is programmer.
or in other words, recruiters are guilty of the very laziness they accuse everyone else of being
@@fence_ridergaming8640 By that I'm assuming you mean "you'd be surprised at how many companies aren't big enough to have a recruiting department", because it's most companies. Not every company is apple or amazon, where they're literally hiring people all the time and can justify an entire department for recruiting
@@AmberMetallicScorpion What recruiters are accusing anyone of being lazy? It's kinda the opposite - more sought after positions get thousands of resumes a day; if you reduced the burden to apply to "no experience required" you'd get hundreds of thousands of resumes a day. If more people who weren't a good fit for the job were lazy (the vast majority of resumes received), then recruiters would have very easy jobs
I was shocked at the requirements in entry level positions in IT, at first I I thought that it's just me and I was really anxious, but it was a relief to hear that other people thought the requirements were really harsh too.
Welcome to the world, this happened 40 years ago.
In some jobs, they say non intern.
I graduated in 92. It took me forever. I finally found a crappy job. I had to work 12 hours a day, programming, support, data entry, receptionist, etc. I had to multi task every second. The pay was 4 dollars above minimum wage Without OT pay. The company was dying. I had to spend time finding old keywords, mice, hardware to replace the broken ones. After 10 months, I found another entry level job. The manager actually said this is an entry level job with 2+ year experience. Anyway, I kept changing jobs. I had worked in entry-level job for 6 years. That's ok, I kept getting pay raise.
Some people are lucky. They find the real entry level jobs in big corporations . Most people have to start at sweat shops
Oh, I heard a lot people graduated from UCLA, UC Irvine computer science with many intern, tutor, non profit non paid job experience, part time low pay IT jobs, they were still considered 0 year experience
The IQ tests made me feel stupid after a while, so I cursed everyone of those and applied to another company.
@@commentorsilensor3734 I'll add on to that. I graduated with a programming degree in 2003, and I was a temp until late 2021. That's even below entry-level, when you don't know where your paycheck is coming from in a couple months.
Its because they want you to know an abyss of IT information without training you for it. The people who know the information they wanted moved on xD
I'm at the point in my life that I have picked up so many hobbies and so much experience through life and working with others on random projects from building arcade cabinets to building cars, working with distribution partners to get custom orders done etc. not to mention being a programmer fluent in c++ with a degree in computer science and an electrical engineer
Most job listings these days straight up do not respond to me period, because I know my value and my worth as an employee and they know that I am educated enough to know when they are exploiting and abusing employees and breaking laws
A few weeks ago I had an interview for a job where I actually did have a years relevant experience. When they gave me feedback for the interview they told me they hired a recent graduate because they had been an active member of the polo club at university. I was literally thinking "Hang on, I told them about being active with the school newspaper. Why on earth does POLO of all things seem like a better fit than the university newspaper??!!" So I've come to the conclusion that sometimes people will just hire based on their own biases or if they find someone interesting. I'm just hoping that my own story and skills resonates with one of these employers soon!!
TL;DR: humans make human mistakes when making human decisions regarding other humans
Let's hope polo dude doesn't let them down, but most importantly that you land that awesome job
The cynical part of me says that polo is primarily an upper class pursuit, and it wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t just veiled classism.
Sounds like blatant nepotism & classism
@Saffron Christmas I didn't say silly - I said human, because humans often choose people based on completely irrelevant criteria. How was polo relevant at all for the job? It wasn't. But the team looked at it and went "hey, cool dude bro did polo" and hired him - because it was somehow meaningful to them. That's some human work blunder right here, which may have been caused by classism
You got screwed over in getting job by someone who probably doesn't know a damn thing about it, but got it anyway cause he played Polo. I can't even comprehend the amount of bullshit thats in that
Then you get to my age (50) and they say oh geez, he has 25 - 30 years of experience, we can't hire him cause he is too old.
Because they rather hire the cheaper, less experienced person
That was the issue when my former co-worker and I were let go. She’s 40+ years old and I’m 28 though because of some past issues I didn’t have a lot of work experience under my belt while she had years of experience. Well neither of us could get hired. She had too much experience, I had too little.
@@Saturn890 lmao. Let's all go off-grid.
isn’t that age discrimination?? that’s illegal isn’t it? not hiring just because of age, gender, religion, etc...
@@miguelprima5937 It can be, but most employers know how to word their rejections so that it doesn’t violate any anti-discrimination laws. So they can just say you simply didn’t meet the requirements they were looking for in terms of the position but will keep your resume on hold for future review (they won’t).
In college i was told to lie or abuse nepotism if i can, use my own teachers as references to support the experiences lie, the worst thing is that it worked.
Edit: I'm a college teacher now by the way
Truth
Oh man!
I want to be successful like you any other advice?. how exactly do you lie?
Then you were given excellent advice, rather than being told to "just struggle" for a little while
I fvcking agree and it's disgusting that my instructors enable and reward nepotism. I'm sorry my poor ass doesn't give you any advances in your life
The ‘70s: “I’d like to apply for a job?”
“Is that a pulse you have? You’re hired! Oh, look, you wore a suit and tie to the interview! Clearly you are management material!”
2000-present: “I have a Master’s Degree and speak three languages!”
“We need someone with at least three years experience!” **crumples up resume**
“But this is an entry level job?”
“Please leave before I call the police!”
Ah, the days when the employees you see at the job site every day mattered more than shareholders who send an occasional email through their staff assistants. And which older folks berate us for being too "lazy" to simply ask and be offered a job on the spot, while they vote for more corporate tax breaks and homeowning retiree benefits at the cost of the mobility-required youth through increased government debt.
To be fair, a master's degree is pretty worthless. You can't do what a PhD can, and the fact that you did some research isn't very applicable to most industry jobs.
It's probably higher education's biggest scam.
@@HateSpeechMoreLikeBasedSpeechWhile in relative terms, a master's might be worthless, the fact remains that you're still only about 1/7th (13.7% of Americans have either a Master's or a Doctorate as of 2021.) of the working age population in America. Unless it was for some ultra specialized position that demands the rigors of a doctorate, you're head and shoulders above the general population. You'd have to have some serious black marks on your record, atrocious interviewing skills, unrealistic expectations, or sheer bad luck to not get hired. Heck, I even heard of a few people with serious felonies who have traditional office jobs just off the strength of their experience and credentials.
@@EbonySaints you don't need a master's for an entry level job, and you can't get a higher-than-entry level job with a master's (that isn't an MBA)... so why bother? Spend that 2 years making income.
@@HateSpeechMoreLikeBasedSpeechhow about do both, that’s what I did. I worked as an assistant at the university. Tuition was covered and I got paid fairly decently.
I came out of education one year ago and I still haven't been able to find a job due to the fact I have no job experience. My mum hasn't worked in 16 years and she is unable to find a job as she has too much experience, We are currently living off pension money from my dad's death. I hope we can both find work soon so we can afford food and bills
Good luck!'
Wait... can't work because of too much experience?
@@walkerx1813 yes she has worked for 30+ years in media production, she also has 2 masters degrees, they thought she was overqualified so she cant find a job, no matter what its in, they also take her age into account thinking that 64 is too old for a job
Being overqualified is such a stupid problem
@@walkerx1813 companies don’t want an employee that’s going to leave, so they don’t want to hire anyone who could potentially make more than they’re offering. Not that it particularly matters, most companies don’t invest in new talent anyways so they don’t really lose anything from hiring someone else later on.
"The worst thing they can say is no" yeah but applying a bunch and being told no every time really starts to mess with you at least it has with me
Because u literally need to work to survive and people who dont work are “bums living off of welfare” or not contributing to society even though i hardly am contributing something useful by selling lamps to people
400 rejections and counting over 2 years
@@thejoblesscoder pffffft those are rookie numbers. I got that much in the last 8 months or so. 😢
@@muhammadabubakr720 ouch I'm sorry to hear that is awful
It absolutely has for me. I'm in a bad place man
"Entry level" means "lowest paid position". People are so desperate for work that someone with 3-5 years experience are willing to take an entry level job. When enough do it, companies suddenly want nothing less. That means that people with no experience can't get their foot in the door and take unpaid internships and gig work so by the time they can get their foot in the door ta a real job, they have 5+ years experience and now companies want nothing less...and the cycle continues. Soon you'll be 50 before you have enough experience for an entry level office job.
This is what happens when you have an abundance of labor.
@@shawnboosveld7042 what’s the solution to too much labor
@@cymonescurio you either need an increase in demand for workers, or fewer workers. As it stands Covid has created an artificial worker shortage as people found it more lucrative to live off government relief than go back to work. This has resulted in marginal increases in minimum wage in my hometown/city to incentivize people to return to work. Additionally, the US had been trending somewhere around 1.6 average births per family as of the last census (fact check me on this I could be wrong) but I remember noting the population was on the decline. So in the short term (next 10ish years) the job market may rebound with the lower birth rate, but then we’ll run into a problem of social securities as higher population generations age out and have no retirement savings.
This is my take and open for discussion.
@@shawnboosveld7042 I appreciate your response, thank you.
Going to College is wasting 4 years of your life you are never getting back.
We here in Germany often say to this topic, you need to have 20 years of experience and have to be 18 years old to get the Job 😅
How....is that even possible?
Did the company expect you to be a time wizard 😂
Aber ich nur eines kind bin. 🤣
it's a joke @@Pangkasrapih
Experience is secondary - networking is everything on the other hand. I finished my master's in a natural scientific field right at the end of last year and have pumped out 35 applications (for jobs or PhD positions) since then - each with an individual coverletter. I got only singular response call from a recruiter, but the company contracting them didn't call me.
Talked to a former collegue last week about my struggle
"Oh, X is moving soon and they are looking for people I heard"
Well, guess who got a position literally today after a short application and a brief talk after less than a week.
The fucking absolute state of the world.
very true!!! its hard to even know how to get started approaching the mess that is Starting A Career if you dont already know someone with a foot in the door
How I got my first job after 6 years of job applications post-graduation...
Friend knew the manager, job had a high turn-over rate.
They ended up closing the building, but I was there to the very end. 3 years I spent there, was one of the senior workers so to speak by then...
Haven't managed to find new work since.
After school, I applied to over 160 different positions, each with a different cover letter and tailored resume. After 6 months, I got 2 interviews and 1 offer. I had zero connections. But I know people who applied to less than 20 positions and were hired because they knew a current employee who could vouch for them. It's extremely difficult if you don't know anyone
@Crystal Kanashii Agencies can be a good way to get experience even with skilled work. And they will usually take on people with no experience. Just expect to flit between a few temp and cover roles initially.
Kind of hard to network when you don't have any to network with
The part I hate is when they say 5+ years experience, master's degree minimum, etc. And only want to offer 30k
Ive been seeing a lot of entry level jobs starting at 40-50, which is pretty solid, but want a minimum of bachelors degree with 4 years experience, masters with 2 years, or a phd. To sit at a desk all day checking tickets.
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@@joshuareed8243 👍🏿
@@joshuareed8243 69 likes, nice.
I finally feel understood! I battled this exact problem back in 2012 and 2013. The reason I have the job I have now is bc my boss was old-school with hiring. He saw I rode my bike every day to then work hard and ride back home. He saw this as an asset and a willingness to show up as on time as possible, not a reliability problem.
My boss gave me a chance and I'm nearly 10 years in at this place.
Damn that's awesome!
Goodd for you man
That's nice but many employers aren't gonna take the risk.
your boss sounds like a nice guy who wants the best for you
20 years experience means: "we already have an internal applicant in mind but due to rules, regulations or being a public entity we are required to open the job to external applicants. So we tailored the job to the experience and resume of the guy we want, so that they get the job for sure because when they interview they will be the most perfect match." And now you know what it means and why they ask for so many years of experience. Because they are required to open the job to the public and give the job to the most qualified person. So they make sure their internal candidate matches job description 100%. 👀
Isnt that what promotions are for? Just call it a cross promotion or work shift. Why do you need to make a public Entry?
@@jgih32 Probably they are hiring someone from another company/ about to leave said company. So they have to open the position and wait for said person to join them. Once the position is covered they remove the listing and thats it.
Some times there are laws that require a public entity (like a federal, state, or local government) to post all job opportunities even though they have someone internally they want to promote. This is usually done in the name of being an equal opportunity employer. Honestly it can exploited both ways. Some to expressly hire the internal candidate. Others to purposely not promote a deserving candidate.
@@jgih32 Promotions are more for vertical moves in a company, this internal hire process is typically for lateral moves instead
@Indigo Rodent It is also a tool of some companies use to squeeze the shit out of their lower / mid level management. It makes it so even if someone has a job and works their ass off they don't have the level of security that you would want as a employee. It also drives down wages for internal promotions. I am unsure if it is a outlier but I have seen at my job low level managers working literally 14/6 with some Sundays as well. Meanwhile I work 8/5 (sometimes 6) have better health care and I'm totally fine with the amount of money I make in comparison to a new hire manager.
Fun fact: companies used to provide training. That changed around 2008.
Was it because of the 2008 stock market crash?
Bingo. That’s what I keep trying to tell people.
I got my first real job in 1991 and had the same problem of you must have experience to get experience.
These days the expect you to be already trained and you start off running.
@@robinhocking1085 Because USSR is gone at that time
Basically everyone wants the best employees and no one is willing to invest in training people to be the best employees. They want you to have experience without being willing to be the one to give you experience.
Yes! They all want something for nothing and then call us entitled.
It's deeply annoying.
Well they don't have to. The white collar workforce is massive and people are desperate for employment out of college.
Blue collar work use to balance this out when it was more competitive in pay (or at least more livable, I should say), but now there is very little competition. Everyone is told to get a college degree or suffer. So most get a degree, and they run into these issues, because when everyone gets the same education, it loses value. Supply and demand I am afraid
Well are you going to stick around if they invest in you? That's the key.
its like damn ill sign something that says i cant leave the company for x years just train me xD
I’m a recruiter and I will say that there is NEVER a person who satisfies all requirements. As long as you have an understanding about the job, are familiar with one or two tools they use, and want the position, then go for it! It may take a few tries, but a shotgun approach works best.
Apply for what you are qualified for! When you put your name in for a position you have no credentials for, you cause confusion and hiring delays as employers have to sift through hundreds of unqualified resumes to find the 10 qualified individuals. It wastes peoples time and money. Employers have to be more respectful of job seekers and quit wasting our time, money and self esteem by bringing us into interviews when they already have decided that they don’t want to hire us before we arrive. Employers seem to choose the best talker, then weeks later they are searching again because that person couldn’t handle the job and was hired because of age, looks, or sweet nothings. 1. Education, 2. Skill Set. Experience can be obtained in a variety of settings so ought not to be the game changer like it is being looked at right now, many who suck, got the job because of cheap talk and then got another after being canned and then got another because they got the first. That is why things are so inefficient and why service sucks. People who have much experience and no education, have been doing things in a shitty way for a long time, that is why it doesn’t get better because employees keep re hiring the same old duds.
@@KYurkhow do you know what youre qualified for when no one is willing to give you the opportunity to learn literally anything that is deemed necessary to know?
This whole system relies on the concept that somewhere at some point in time a company fucked up by hiring you and now your stupid ass accidentally has X years of experience
Even in hospitality, you’re expected to have around 2-3 years experience to get jobs like work behind the bar or a barista job. It’s ridiculous
For an actual Barista it makes sense because it's a complex enough job that in some countries requires being certified for because no restaurant/cafe/bar can afford to wait a couple of months until their new barista finally starts making things the way they're supposed to be made.
For a waiter it CAN be justified, depending on the establishment and how high quality it is. Trust me, if you're a waiter in a fine dining restaurant there's more to it than you'd think.
Behind the bar depends ENTIRELY on what kind of bar you're talking about. If it's a club? no experience necessary, no one gives a shit, they only give a shit if you can work hard (many can't), do you have energy, and that's the overrriding thing that a club bar manager want's. That's not the same thing a bar manager of a really good cocktail bar looks for, oh they want it too, but what they really need are the people who know 200+ cocktails and have them memorized and can actually make them well. Cocktail Barman is a Trade with a capital T. You need to actually LEARN it, you can't just jump in because you wouldn't be able to do it.
You generally get into these jobs by being moved into it from other positions that have exposure to these jobs. If you want to be a commie chef, your two choices are either going to culinary school, or being a KP (dishwasher) and being around the chefs, if you're dedicated to learn and have exposure to the kitchen and chefs while working the dishes section, you'll become a chef if you want to because they'll hook you out of your job and make you a commie chef. They're always on the lookout for people wanting to do that because most of them did the same thing. Same with bars, want to be a cocktail barman but have no experience? Get an adjacent job and show interest, memorize cocktails etc, they'll scoop you up if you're in the right place etc.
Not all jobs can be done with no prior experience, and not all jobs have college training to try to offset the balance of that.
Now, those are all hospitality positions, in tech it's more fucked up. The job listings aren't usually made by people who know wtf they're talking about, because they work in HR rather than dev or networking etc, so it's ususal to see listing for shit that require 5+ years of experience in a framework that has only existed for 2 years. Ignore that shit, apply anyway because when you're being interviewed by a tech lead or a network architect, or even the lower echelon guys like network engineers or senior devs, none of that garbage matters because they know what they want and they know how their industry works.
Automated CV filters are the only annoying thing.
It absolutely makes sense in most cases that you need to have some sort of experience. From my experience, if you want to work behind the bar but don't have the required experience, just start out as a waiter. I've been working as a runner for the barista for half a year and after that, I was ready to do the simple shit myself. After another 6 months, they would let me do the more complex things. It's a quick route and if you are willing to learn the skills and inner workings of behind-the-bar, you can skip some years.
If u are confident u can do it/easy job, just lie about it, thats how i got employed tho sadly, even though i already had multiple internship and being honest make my cv got ignored
Former bartender. The way to get this job is one of two ways. Be friends with a GM (easy mode) or ask for a bar back job. You’ll grab kegs, clean spills, and other “not fun” work. Do this for a year, max 2, will get you an opportunity as a bartender, especially with the high turnover in the industry.
You're meant to just lie and exaggerate.
I'm essentially disenfranchised due to my autism. Everyone I know would vouch for me that I have no problem doing much of the work out there, and that I have good critical thinking skills... But I simply cannot navigate the 20,000 layers of doubletalk it requires to get a job the traditional way. I'm just lucky I live in a country that supports me somewhat, and that I have family to make up the difference.
ugh i feel this
i cant focus in school and would probably never succeed in a traditional workplace so im pretty much banking on my art carreer
@@brakpak good luck brah
@@saturatedneowax thanks :)
I guess I'm lucky because I have a special interest in computer science, so I can rely on it to get me a job
not autistic but adhd so im also nd i dont ever see myself being able to get a job because of how i react with situations jobs put you in i am terrified
I’ve given up on thinking “maybe I would like this” and went “meh, apply to everything like a drunk man In a bar annoying people.”
It's the only way
How's it working out for you ❤️
@@qwertyqwert2772 🤷🏼♀️ who’s to know. It’s not like the turn me down or anything.
Now you know why those men do it😅🤣😂
Mass applying is a waste of time. What is your background and what position do you want to start a career?
Pro tip for resume:
If there is a certain job you want at a specific company. Look for keywords they want to have for their resumes. And type it out in white(same color as the page) in the header space so that when the person word searching for resumes with those specific keywords in them(they all do) yours will pull up at the top. Doesn't matter if you actually have those words in the resume. The goal is to have them look at it .
How do you find what the keywords are?
@@naria2224 sorry, to get the most accurate answer I would have to ask my brother who informed me of this too.
My best guess, words that related to experience. Specific abilities, Hard skills and soft skills(hands on and computer like skills) maybe certain traits. Each company would be different. But I would suggest. Look into the company/job title you are wanting to apply for then put as many keywords you can think of that they would possible look up. It doesn't hurt putting a bunch of them.
The goal is to have as many words as possible that they could potentially type in to there program. That will then put the resumes in order of the most to least amount so they don't waste too much time.
Another pro tip. If you are a female(this is shitty, i know) but if you have away to put your name down as a dude name. You're more likely to be seen. For example. Kristin - Kris , Alexis - Al/Alex. Things like that. Especially if you're apply for a predominantly male position.
@@cravenmorpus Damn this is actually smart, thanks for the tip.
Oh, so if there’s an algorithm looking for keywords they will detect the keywords (in white/ invisible). Regardless if you have the skills or not.
Wow that’s really clever.
@@gillroygarlic3616exactly
The whole "calling people lazy" thing has always struck me as odd. Why would I be too lazy to find a job? Searching for a job is full time unpaid labor, the laziest option is to get a job!
It's more of a control thing
These kids are so lazy they wont even work - some boomer
The same boomer. I litterally wont hire kids as they lack job experience
cause, not lazy people are born with a job
when you were 1 year old did you work or not?!
let me answer it, You didn't work!!
you sat all day doing NOTHING like a lazy person IS
It also comes across like a typical boomer thing to say.
Like, sorry that I can't get a job because nobody wants to hire high school dropouts with autism. It's really unfair to shame us for spending so much time looking for a job in the economy older generations screwed up. Especially when we have disabilities or illnesses that make it harder for us to do things.
It's typically a millenial/gen z thing. They are very lazy and weak. They aren't too lazy to look for a job, sometimes, but when they get one they are too lazy to work. And they're super resentful and cause a lot of drama because they think they're oppressed for "having to work under capitalism".
Job Listing: "ENTRY LEVEL. No experience necessary."
Interviewer: "We have more interviews, we'll let you know."
Email: "We selected someone who had experience."
McDonald's: we selected the guy with the Phd to operate the fry machine.
Wait...you actually got an email back? Lucky you are
@@heedmywarning2792 when I worked for Domino's we had multiple PhD holding candidates as drivers because their teaching jobs did not pay enough
Yeah. Why is that wrong? You would select better candidate too lol
@@EnjoyingEnjoyer Exactly, not sure why people think this is somehow wrong. They didn't lie: no experience was necessary to apply, that doesn't mean having experience doesn't apply.
Recently found a reddit comment from a guy who said he was turned down for having less than 10 years experience in an obscure programming language.
He literally created that programming language himself. 7 years ago. Even documented the whole thing on his account back then.
bro, that company lost out big time
That company is just full of shit. He dodged a bullet tbh.
Many companies have fake job postings because it makes them look more succesfull.
@@cameronhumphries2377 don’t deserve intelligence
Sounds fishy that a) he would need such a job, b) he wouldn't have simply told them that the programming language didn't exist 10+ years ago and that he created it (and that it wasn't absolutely in his resume), and c) the company would refuse to hire someone who was CLEARLY competent in the language if it's so obscure. I'm thinking clickbait, honestly.
I am constantly telling people where I work that we should hire people fresh out of college. Us senior people spend way too much time doing things that the fresh out of college people could be doing. I could keep an inexperienced but technically knowlegable person busy doing all that stuff and develop them into a mid-leve/seniorl worker. It would be way cheaper than having senior people spending so much time on repetitive entry level stuff. Of course they never listen and never hire those people.
Well, it could be worse. The could have listened, and get some poor fresh graduates to do unpaid internships to do those tasks. And then kick them out when they outlive their usefulness. That happens a lot around the world.
@@ajguevara6961 I wasn't advocating any "internship" unpaid or otherwise. I want our company to hire people fresh out of college as entry level full employees where they are going to want to stay and their value to the company would grow so that we would want to keep them. This is the way companies should work but they don't because they are too stupid and greedy to understand value compared to dollars.
I'd happily do entry level if it meant I got a job at all... things are tough out here
The interns that we hired got to work on some exciting projects. I told my boss that I thought interns were supposed to work on menial tasks that nobody else wanted to do.
The worst thing is that internships now require you having completed previous internships??? 🤷🏼♀️
ohmygod THIS! I was going to apply for an UNPAID internship the other day and one of the requirements was "having done at least a 3 month long internship already" like you're not even paying me + you want me to already have experience aka know how to do most of the stuff on the job. So basically you want me to work for free? I hate it here.
Internships are a scam to begin with, dangling the promise of future employment opportunities to extract labor from people.
@@Bluecho4 I don't think that's entirely fair. Internships are a hassle to deal with for the employer too and in most cases, the interns aren't really providing any substantial output for the company. They'd genuinely get better results hiring like 1 experienced guy than do an internship program and they know this. That more or less does indicate that they are for real vetting for new blood, however, the methodology is often pretty shit and the training is bad so barely anybody ever gets hired.
Well, NOW engineering companies will NOT hire an intern who has worked previous internships.
Yes. I’m going through a lot of stress because I need one more internship credit to graduate college and I can’t even get a callback. Probably because my other one is not finished yet. Like wow I can’t even work for free?!
The story of my grandfather (who worked for Inland Steel in Chicago). He had a sixth grade education. At the age of 27 he went to East Chicago, to the Inland Steel recruiting office. They trained him to be a welder - and he was a welder for 35 years till he retired (with a pension, those don't really exist anymore) in '93. On the money he made, he bought a 2 acre, 4 bedroom 2 bath brick home (that is now worth $425,000) and raised a family (3 kids). Hiring people in this way is what lifted so many people outa poverty into the middle class.
Today, they want you to have a college degree just to clean the pits.
Welding is still good
Yeah my father works in engineering without going to university and makes 100k+. Impossible today to get his entry level position without a masters
Welding career is saturated.
Or maybe go to a welding school, or join the union to learn. Companies will hire without work experience but they want education these days. Sadly gone are the days where a someone who never graduated advances.
Yeah, we need actual apprenticeships to come back, but you can still become a welder like that you just need to go to the union office or get certified at your local community college.
Honestly, having a job wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many hurdles to cross. And yes, I'd rather be told I didn't get the job than just never hear back from potential employers.
A few days ago I got a reply saying I'm moving onto the next step for a job I applied to 2 yesrs ago. Like no I moved on
The main reason why they do that is because a lot companies are extremely messy when it comes to recruiting. Thousands apply but they only see a small portion of those applicants.
I was an Admin at a job where the Office Manager/Accountant literally said “I don’t like hiring people with college degrees because those people are not flexible learning new skills. They learned something one way and expect to do it that way versus learn a new way we do it.” Instant red flag 🚩 So I quit and went to college for HR. 😂
And this is why the employer should train to develop talent instead of “picking” off candidates that are more competitive to “find”
last new hire reported to company for the fraud(creative non college accounting) they were committing
I would much rather have an HR person with good soft skills that I can mold than one that went to indoctrination camp. I can send you to take courses on employment law and payroll software; what I can't do is deprogram all that DEI nonsense those HR colleges teach you. It'd be like inviting a wolf to live with sheep.
@@user-fg8ux8zo6weither that or reported sexual harrassment because "thats just how it's always been here"
@@HateSpeechMoreLikeBasedSpeech And how the hell could you tell that based on a college degree??? You're saying nonsense to justify shitty practices.
Late to the party, but I had this one amazing experience with being ghosted for an entry level job. I was coming in with three years of actual applicable experience and applying to an entry level job. So of course they grilled me and tried to tear apart everything I had done in the industry. Afterwards I actually called them back multiple times (I was desperate at that time). They wouldn't even return my calls to let me know I didn't get the job! So fast forward four years. Now I have a bunch of experience, my professional licensure, and I bunch of projects under my belt. They call me up asking me to apply because "we really need people with your expertise and experience". Getting to tell them that I would never work for their company in a million years because they ghosted me (and I also now know they treat people like garbage) was super satisfying 😌
The new american dream
You had too much experience and they knew you wouldn't take the pay they could offer you. The only reason I know is because i went to an interview, once I found out the pay I declined it. They told me the they knew I would because of my experience.
You should have fuckin humiliated those evil ducks
YES! ❤
Should have kept on agreeing to meetings and never showing and finally sending them why afterwards and they should be ashamed of themselves for burning this bridge with you.
My favorite thing is that they all want fancy degrees from expensive schools, but they aren’t willing to pay you enough to pay off the loans you had to take out to be able to go to those expensive schools to get the the fancy degrees.
And why should they?
Student debt is a "you" problem.
@@a-s-greig yeah and because it is a you problem the only way to take care of it is to get paid a good wage. See the problem?
@@a-s-greig even though college debt might be a you problem any company that expects a person to have an expensive degree understands that its in the company's best interest to keep you hired. It waste time and money to look for someone new to hire again. So if they aren't paying enough to keep their employees out of debt its a loose loose for both parties. One has no means of supporting themselves and the other has to go through the possess of hiring and preparing someone to fill an empty position that is no longer making them money.
Great arguments guys; you almost made me believe that these companies and hiring managers give a rip.
Realistically speaking, yes, they should. But they don't.
@@a-s-greig Bet your parents are proud of you speaking "truths" on the internet. Cringe
I just graduated and I AM TRIGGERED. Job hunting has literally made me break down in tears.
THinking about graduating makes me so stressed, ahhhhhhh D:
Graduating soon and stressed AF, no experience so far and I'm ESL. How do you all live lol help pls
Same, I'm a BSME and it's incredibly hard. I even considered joining the military (not that there's anything wrong with it, but they do technician work for the most part, not actual engineering)
I broke down a few times while job hunting after graduating in the middle of the Great Recession. I can't imagine how much more difficult it is with the Pandemic. Hang in there!
@@gizmofox5995 considering we're currently in Great Recession 2: Electric Boogaloo ™, and automation ate like 80% of entry level jobs, it's probably about 2-4 times worse than what you experienced.
1) have a bachelor's
2) have years of experience
3) still get offered $16/hr
That why I went back to university at age 28 lol because I only have college diploma before.
Ha, I only got $15 an hour 25 hours a week after my bachelors and an 800 hour cyber security boot camp. Then I got laid off with about a dozen other people without warning when the company got bought out. Now I'm back in the job hunting world. :X
@@Jcewazhere 😔
Fucking OOOF. What's the field?
Add masters and extra studies/courses and having at least 5 years of experience and they still attempt to propose such pay. This is bonkers.
This is an old video but I'm going to comment anyway. I had SO much trouble getting a job after I graduated College it was insane. I eventually had to start applying for retail jobs totally unrelated to my field and would send dozens of applications a month and I rarely got called for an interview. I didn't have enough work experience for an entry-level job in my field and I had "too much" education for a retail job. I have an art/graphic design degree, can sew and crochet and I didn't even get an interview for a job at Hobby Lobby!
As insane as that is, I would argue that on your resume, if you believe that an employer will think that your education will make you too smart for the job, don't mention it. Only present the character that you want them to see, the elements of your character that will employ you.
That's me! That's where i'm at! Throw in crippling disability that is not recognized as valid by the united states for recieving benefits (type 1 narcolepsy) and you have a stew cookin
I had the same experience. How the F you can be overqualified?
@@Mafon2 what it means is "we want people who arent capable of recognizing they are being exploited and less likely to stand up for themselves"
@@Riorozen this falls under the category of exploiting workers
I find it hilarious that you make this comment immediately after the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action
Even when I was applying for a job in fast food, everywhere I went, they wanted experience. The only company that didn't was Five Guys, because they said they wanted to "teach me from the ground up," whatever that means.
In other words, Five Guys is the linchpin of the economy. If they ever close their doors, nobody will ever be able to join the workforce again.
Yea same thing happened to me
I got an interview at mcdonalds when i was like 17 and they asked about job experience
Like it's a problem even at lower levels of employment
@@bob74h67 idk about you but as a teenager in my area everyone is desperate for employees so I could probably snag 5 jobs with light effort. My current mcdonalds job was the easiest thing of all time and the interview was just asking when I could work and then I was hired. Might just be seattle though 😂
@@perungod4112 Yeah same, i didnt even interview when I was a teen... i just walked in with my resume and they said "ok go get your food handling cert and meet us back here for training"
Makes me feel better about already knowing how to do everything at McDonald's.
Work in your local fried chicken fast food
I graduated last year, currently job hunting, and like 60% of the listings are like this. It's such a weird phenomenon.
Also getting ghosted all the time is _great_
Here in Hungary, it's not "some companies", it's *the norm* period. Either you're hired, or you're ghosted. Even if you call back to ask if you're still in the pipeline, companies will just lie to you. It's all about providing minimal information to prevent applicants from making well-informed decisions. Also, wage "negotiation": company provides no information on what you can earn, not even ballpark figures, and you get one shot at providing a number, after which you're either hired _at that price point_ or ghosted. If hired, you have to sign an NDA to keep your salary a secret - you may not even reveal it anonymously as an example salary for the industry, without mentioning the company. All to get you to low-ball out of fear of going jobless.
(Even worse, as an employer, if you try to be honest and mention salary prospects in the job listing, other businesses will gang up on you to get it taken down.)
@@NetRolller3D Same in the US
This happens a lot in IT jobs. My favorite is when they want you to have several years of experience on a product or language that just came out.
They probably got private access 💀
The only way to get an entry level job, is personal connections. Or being extremely charismatic.
I have been job hunting since I turned 18. I'm 22 now. I've been employed for exactly 2 months in that time. I have applied to literally everything.
I genuinely have no idea how 90% of people in my country are employed.
Edit: got a job. Guess how? That's right. Old school buddy started a construction company. And thus I prove my own point.
I'm pretty much in the same situation. I'm running out of patience been employed for 3 week started job hunt at 19 now 21.
What's up dude, if you went into technology then drop an email I can message, I can probably swing you a job
That's why having 12 siblings is awesome. Somebody always has a position open at work
@@hebercluff1665 As an Asian, I really would not want to work for family members (especially older ones).. they're very power hungry 😅
@@paulsitt eh? I never worked FOR my siblings. They would just say to their boss, "hey, I got a dependable little brother looking for a job." The boss would say, "oh really? Since I know you're a good worker, then your little brother probably is too."
I've gotten all but one of my jobs this way throughout my life
Found a job posting that said drama-free, no drama, etc. throughout the whole job description... I wonder what their last employee was like or the person creating the job posting. Big red flag.
I feel like if they said that, they were just trying to say “if you show emotion, you’re out”
@@hannahmashburn7101
Koh the Face-Stealer is running that hat shop again isn't he
@@hannahmashburn7101 But let's be real, there are a lot of millennials crying at work. Like...genuinely how difficult is it to put a cap on your emotions for 8-14 hours? I've been doing 60-90 hour weeks for the better part of 15 years and can't think of a single time crying or throwing a tantrum has ever helped accomplish anything.
@@ShredPenguins Its almost like the current climate is soul crushing or something. Generally it's not oversensitivity that drives people to a breaking point, its stress. The conditions of employees in this country are deplorable and have been for years, and now we dont even have the promise of having it better than the generation before us.
If I had to work a job I hated multiple hours a week for garbage pay with people who treat me like garbage, I'd snap too. I dont think the millenials are the problem here
@@ShredPenguins I think the “no drama” comment could be used to cover up scandals from assaults and stuff but I could be wrong
I really think some of these companies just ghost because they want to leave the door open if things go awry for them. I’ve literally gotten an email from a job I applied to a year prior, telling me they “now had an opening” and I should show up to training at certain places. A YEAR LATER.
Yeap, I had the issue only that I moved to another state years ago and they start calling in as if I'm available
Same
As a middle manager at a company that has had open positions to fill, I can confirm that that is the case.
I think another aspect is to reduce work. I have no trouble doubting that keeping the door open to hire a qualified person later is one motivation, but I'm fairly certain that people who are utterly unqualified to fill any position in a given company also don't get a rejection, simply because it would cost money and time to do so.
Oh please tell me you were in a position to tell them where they could stick it.
One of the funniest (and sad) stories I ever saw was that of a software developer that wanted to go for a job but that job required 15 years of experience in a certain coding language, a language he developed 5 years earlier.
There is no reason new grads should have to apply to HUNDREDS of jobs to just find one interview
Seriously. I never went to college and I have a decent job. But I would be pissed if I had to go through the same process as someone with only a high school diploma.
i applied for like 5 jobs and interviewed with one company back in 2016. i have been working for that company i interviewed with for 5 years now. granted, i am now terrified to leave/lose my job because i feel like i got lucky and will never find another job like it again.
Um…. No SANE reason….
@@adrianc6534 I got a job that I HATE 6 months after graduating, I feel like that too, but since I really hate the f*ing job, in my first month I started searching for something other. Not found yet, which corroborate to that thought. And I did everything by the book, studied my ass off to get in one of the best colleges in my country and all... Its frustrating as hell
And then dozens of interviews to be offered a position
And then offered dozens of positions to agree to one they actually want
The problems:
Hiring people completely ghosting you
Job postings are never taken down giving us false hope
Exactly my problem right now. I’ve been applying to multiple jobs and yet I haven’t received any responses. I think Sony was the only one that responded back with a “im sorry but we decided to go with another candidate”
@@lucky_lulu317 hope you find a good job! 😽
@@jocelynlin6044 thank you! 🙏🏼☺️
They were never hiring in the first place. They just claim to be hiring to avoid paying PPP loans or to be complaint with the Equal Opportunity Employment act.
Just set a reminder to reapply every week. They obviously need the help if they still have the listing up. Your application made it through the automated checker if they interviewed you the first time. Not that I'd want to work somewhere I trolled that hard, but it's a way to ensure their laziness does not go unrewarded
“Degree required” *does not offer wage high enough to even start paying off student debt* RIDICULOUS
I’ve lied about having a degree or even experience. Funny enough, most of the companies where I’ve done this didn’t even bother to verify my “credentials”. But don’t lie if you’re applying for high paying, government, or information/security sensitive jobs. 😉
I am retired and can’t imagine what it would be like to actually look for a job these days. I felt very fortunate. Since 1990, almost all of my jobs came to me. I didn’t apply for them. The employer had some history of who I was, and approached me.
The last job I had before retiring was as a professor at a SUNY College. I was teaching a topic that I had never taken a class in. I did have four credited degrees, but they were in unrelated fields. I had been a hobby recording musician since 1967, and had done a guest lecture at a few colleges. So when this college was doing a talent search, my name was given to them as someone more than qualified. The college was reluctant to hire me, however. They had lost a professor, and it got to be within two weeks of the beginning of the semester and so they were between a rock and a hard place.
When I took the job. I was very suspicious that it would be temporary as soon as they found somebody with actual credentials in the field of sound engineering. But I ended up doing so well that within my time there I became the professor with more teaching hours than anyone else in the department. I even retired briefly, but they begged me to come back, which I did for another few years. To be honest, I have no idea how to actually apply for such a job. I had never even made a résumé. They simply called me on the phone and asked me to come in for an interview that basically involved simply telling me what they were expecting of me as they handed me the keys. I held that professorship for 15 years.
Congrats on retirement
Same here. I usually got jobs through word of mouth. I took a programming class at night and one of my classmates recommended me for a good engineering position.
It's my 1 year anniversary of unemployment, after only 3 months of work after graduation, so this is perfect timing!
Same story, glad to know I'm not the only one 😭
I’ll be happy knowing Uncle Sam has a paycheck for me
Please, I'm more excited uncle Sam decided he's not gonna steal back a quarter of my unemployment money. Merry tax season you sad unemployed millennials 🥳
10 years unemployed here... even burger jobs and swinging a shovel for some road crew need apparently MORE experience than i have... and sad thing is i actually have almost 15 years in fast food... figure that crap out....
Wow, me too!
Companies just don't respect you before you have the job and if you're "lucky" when you have the job. There's also a lot of not legally okay questions on a lot of companies online applications. Asking about family income, and some other just inappropriate things
there's a lot of not legally okay questions in classic paper applications too... just saying...it's not the online side only.....
@@mikewhitaker2880 I completely agree. It's just really yikes that they get away with it and it seems like everyone is okay with it. Personal it's a chance for a job I'll hate > not falling for the inappropriate questions
Someone asked me “list all of the medical conditions you have” and I fell for it when I was 17. My mom after was like “they are never allowed to ask you that!” It was for a medical receptionist too.
As someone who recently jumped back into the job search…it’s horrendous. Like I actually have job experience and even still it makes me feel like I never worked ever because I “don’t have qualified experience” like what…and don’t get me started on having to attach my resume and then having to rewrite my resume
My favorite is when you are supposed to have 10 years of programming experience in a language that was invented 3 years ago. At that point I don't need your job I can just hop into my time machine and bet on the winning lotery.
🤡😂
In 2002 I saw something similar, "8 years of experience with Windows 2000."
A lot of people making the job screening don't even know what exactly goes into the actual job.
Reminds me of that meme-
"Cashier wanted"
"Must be 18 years old"
"With 20 years of experience"
The thing that always bugged me about that meme was the fact that they wanted someone with 20 years of experience to do fucking cashier work.
Hr and marketing is where companies throw all the incompetent diversity hires the government forces them to keep. That way they dont interfere as much with daily operations. Sadly, when you have an entire industry (HR) that shouldnt exist (it only exists to keep the government lawyers off the employer's back), and is full of incompetent people who know they cant get fired, this is the result.
@@habibishapur But why shouldnt HR exist
There's a famous post of a programmer who only had 8 years experience in a technology that they wanted 10 years of experience... that programmer made said technology.
Ok little kid, it's time for you to learn the horrible truth... it never was a meme xD
@@marxthesocialist5231 They'd probably report him for being xenophobic/transphobic/sexist/racist/ableist/etc. I mean the guy thinks affirmative action a.k.a "diversity" hires is a bad thing. Of course he doesn't like H.R.
I know one person who used a rather extreme solution to this issue: while in college he set up a dummy corporation with its own website and a google voice phone number and everything and he used that as his two years of experience. When they called he gave himself a very good reference.
bro that's clever asf
Did the employer not recognize his voice?
@@ThingsILikke In those big corporations, one person checks the reference and another does the hiring. Plus people can sound a LOT different on the phone versus in person. It was shady as hell but it worked out for him.
@@rumrunner8019 I see- good for him. Is your friend Chinese by any chance? That sounds like a Chinese trick (I work with many Chinese companies)
That's actually great wow
The reality is your first job is luck, and if the employer is willing to give you a chance. Otherwise, 90% of jobs will flat out reject you.
On the tech side of this, practically all employers demand to see your “projects”. You could argue that that’s better than requiring experience considering you can at least theoretically do it on your own, but it’s little help for someone who’s working a full-time, low-paying job just to get by, while having executive functioning problems and isn’t on excessive amounts of uppers
Jesus. I feel called out.
I'm not sure if tech is comparable to engineering in this way, but i was advised by professors to include class projects/assignments. If you have them on hand, they boost your credibility with minimal effort
@@jeremyg9323 sure, but that might only apply if your university actively focuses on projects. All of my projects ended up being incomplete embarrassments that show nothing more than participation in the class
@@jeremyg9323 also it’s only minimal effort if your classes also focus on presentability and documentation of the projects as you go, otherwise it’s actually a ton of work on the side to get them to a state where others can actually even see it
@@Subatomicfish fair enough. I guess my department/ university might be a little different from most after all :/ oh well. Just thought I'd try to help
The other end of the spectrum is just as bad. Try getting a job without a 4 year degree. So what if you served in the military and were trained to do the job, proving both your civic duty and your ability to rapidly train and stick to a career with an 80% wash-out rate? So what if you have 20 years of experience doing that job, can provide multiple training certificates, and a spotless record of service with numerous promotions? So what if you can also speak three languages? You don't have an actual degree? Sorry, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (well, if he were still alive). We won't even let you fill out our application. Try somewhere else. Ah, HR at its finest, taking the human out of Human Resources.
But all we put flag magnets on our cars to support the troops, so it's a fair deal. Right?
Straight up, the way vets are treated is disgusting
That is the kinda place where you skip know-nothing HR and find a technical manager on social media
Picking up a gun and going on vacation is not your civic duty solider.
There are lots of civilian businesses that work with the military and focus on hiring members of the military. I'm not sure exactly where to go for more information but look into it.
This reminds me of where there was a programming framework that a company required 20 years of experience in even though it was only around for 10
I wonder if jobs like that never get anyone actually qualified and then they’re like “Maybe we should make it 30 years...”
Jus shows the disconnect between managers/hiring agent and their actual workers
Young/small companies usually want people with experience. They don't have the time or manpower to train people. They need someone coming in who knows their shit.
This happened when I was job hunting after finishing a coding bootcamp a few years ago. They wanted 10 years of experience in Angular, which had only EXISTED since 2016. Whathenidoeshuiadrcb??!?!?!?!?!
20 years of programming experience is different than 20 years of "insert language" experience.
One of the worst things is that a lot of jobs also don't count college jobs/internships as valid work experience, either.
A few months ago I interviewed for an internship and it went really well. Got a call back a few weeks later and they decided to move on with someone else. No hard feelings, but the feedback? "The person we moved on with had previous internship experience"...
Yup that happens, and its stupid. They just wanted someone to do busy work on minimum wage with the least training possible. so don't beat yourself up, internships are to prepare you for full-time positions and they most likely weren't going to give you that experience.
WHAT ??? that's literally the point of an internship???
Very true! Jobs are expecting internships now but even internships are hard to get... The nice thing about them is that they’re specifically looking for interns to turn into full-time later so it’s a really valuable opportunity but super competitive...
Yeah it definitely sucked at the time, lol... but here's some good news for y'all! I did end up getting an offer from another company I interviewed at a month after this one, and it's a much better fit!
I had an even more infuriating experience once: The employer went through the process of taking applicants and giving interviews, then decided to promote someone internally to the role. The whole recruitment process was a sham.
Been trying desperately to find a job while in the pandemic has been a mess. Got a call back today and then this popped up in my recommended, I have an interview tomorrow. Finally, wish me luck RUclips
How did it go?
Good luck! How was it?
yo goodluck dude, i hope someday i can have another temporary dev to do my dirty work for me
I did mine today
U 2? Dang bruh
One thing that frustrated me when looking for a job was the ghosting and not knowing how i could improve. I get that big companies don't gain anything from putting in that extra effort, but a two line letter giving you a rough idea of Why you didn't get the job could help people immensely sometimes. If you want employees, and I want to make some dough by working for you, tell me how to i can improve. (Again, aware this is all very unrealistic, but it would be nice, ya know?)
OR if they know they aren't going to tell you that you didn't get the job, they shouldn't say things like "We'll be in contact" or "We'll let you know if you did or didn't get it." I have never once gotten anything from a company that didn't want to hire me so they might as well just thank you for your interview and not say anything else if they know you won't be their pick.
The problem is much of the time they don't have a legitimate reason or critique regarding why they didn't choose you. Many companies have a core pool of perfect candidates who can all do the job, and they essentially just pick one at random or for reasons of bias (like appearance, age,etc). Typically if you're the kind of person to genuinely care about getting resume feedback...your resume is likely pretty good, haha.
I remember hearing that some companies aren’t even allowed to give criticism. There are too many risks where someone gets criticism and sues the company for discrimination or defamatory remarks. For companies, it’s just easier to say nothing than to possibly get sued.
they could still at least call and say you did NOT get the job though... the ghosting is a major issue.. honestly i think the whole application and interview steps are only being used to get our hopes up, specially knowing we likely had to spend money on gas just going to the damned interview.. and when your job hunting, its obvious money is already at a premium... otherwise we would NOT be job hunting....
@@graphicgraphitesOh I don't really expect feedback. I just want them to tell me I didn't get the f-ing job like they promised they would. "We'll contact you in 1-2 weeks time". I end up waiting 2 weeks for nothing.
My experience after graduating was that companies had a spot on their team for an 'unpaid' Asian Employee. An intern if you will, but it was just a rotating door with new person every couple months and was NOT a pathway to a job at the company. I bet they used temporary workers at first, before someone got smart.
This is a super common practice. And even those positions are competitive and worth taking because they are at least some work experience. It's a shame that's what counts as a decent opportunity for students these days though.
Diversity hire?
@@voice_0f_reasonnah just overperforming college student who is willing to die for the position
My theory is you put enough in the qualifications section that nobody will completely fit everything. Then you have a nice easy way (and legally defensible!) to say why you turned down any given candidate. Also, just ignore it if you're missing one or two qualifications. Or use it to get the job. We had a programming language listed as a qualification for one opening. When we asked if candidate had experience in it they said, "No, but I downloaded the software and some industry data and played around with it and here's some interesting results and pretty graphs I made with it so I feel confident I'll be able to pick it up quickly." They got the job.
I guess that is a great strategy for the occasions a human reads your resume or interviews you, adding that one too the tool belt
So, these unrealistic qualifications exist purely to deny people that are otherwise qualified work? If this doesn’t motivate people to set fire to their HR departments, I don’t know what will...
@@FrankCastle-tq9bz If there's lots of qualified people for one opening you have to deny qualified people. You're looking for the most qualified person and an easy way to let the others down.
@@macdeepblue then just tell them that there was someone more qualified. Thats a valid reason. You dont have to lie and manipulate people.
@@kevinbissinger: You mean by NOT playing those games?
"It was humiliating" I feel this so much. I felt like I was groveling at HR's feet for the privilege of working. Job hunting is straight up dehumanizing.
To make it worse, most HR people don't really understand the jobs they're trying to fill. It's like having your grammar "corrected" by someone who doesn't even speak the same language as you.
Completely.
@@frigginjerk you're*
@@nathanfrandon2798 Ah, yes, my mistake. I meant, "It's like having you are grammar corrected."
@@frigginjerk I'm glad yuor'e grammar has improved !