Gotenks Vs Kid Buu: Who Would Win?
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If he was serious, Gotenks would annihilate Kid Buu. Unfortunately, he would probably mess around for a bit, giving Buu enough time to blow up the planet, killing Gotenks in the process.
Pretty much, or get turned into candy or get absorbed again.
Despite seeing how durable and regenerative Buu is, multiple times, Gotenks kept wasting stamina on stupid techniques to try and showboat. The Galactica Donut obviously has no effect on Buu, but he kept doing it anyway.
In the manga, Kid Buu was attempting to turn Goku into candy in one of the panels, Gotenks would have fallen for it.
If Buu doesn't get crazy pissed off first and pummels Gotenks to death. And THEN he blows up the Earth.
Even if he was serious, Kid Buu especially has crazy regen and stamina, while SSJ3 Gotenks' biggest weakness (other than his attitude) is his lack of stamina. He might be able to do it, but I'm not sure.
He could hold his breath and fly to New Namek….
@@CPhelps1247 1. I don’t think he could hold his breath for the necessary amount of time, 2. I highly doubt Gotenks knows where New Namek is in the first place
I do appreciate the line “I bet Piccolo’s in there slowing you down,” making it clear that it’s not that Piccolo’s power wouldn’t be a boost to Buu, but that Piccolo is actively doing everything he can to resist from the inside. Piccolo once again clutching out an important play that gets canceled by the Saiyan’s stupidity.
Piccolo power isn’t a boast to buu but can you imagine wild and unpredictable kid buu having piccolo’s intelligence would make him more dangerous
@@juswavvy9634Picolo is just him
In terms of strength, Gotenks positively violates. If Gotenks is hypothetically bloodlusted and has his eyes solely on the prize, he'd annihilate Kid Buu. He was about to kill Super Buu, after all. Unfortunately, this is *Gotenks* we're talking about, and Gotenks beats nobody. Goten has a higher win-rate than him.
Man’s had one real fight saying he beats nobody ain’t fair
@@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24 He also got violated by Copy Vegeta. I hate that arc as much as the next guy, but it's canon to the anime. I like Gotenks a lot, but they never give him a dub. To his credit, he did defeat Hirudegarn's first form.
@@supagreatman2826 I agree. Trunks ruined them with that "let's make it a spectacle" bs
@@_Koyomi_ we talking about buu saga not after. Copy vegeta had all of vegeta power. What’s was after vegeta has god ki that’s a bad example
@@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24 Ohh. Then yeah, you're right. He only fought against Fat and Super Buu, but that's all they could really give him during that saga. I think Toriyama thought ahead and saw that a team of Gotenks, Gohan, Vegeta, Goku, and Buu would make the final battle too easy
I love the small details Toriyama incorporated in the buu saga. Gotenks is childish and loves to make things a spectacle. He is focused on silly techniques and the funny poses he likely takes from observing saiyaman (Gohan) who got his hero poses directly from the Ginyu Force. This dynamic is hilariously highlighted in Fighterz.
I have been telling these fools that gotenks would stomp kid buu big ups to laughingstock media for breaking it down next time do kid buu vs the original fat buu that came out of the cocoon that match up would be more interesting than this
I wonder if there's some kinda sentai show in their universe, the great saiya man is absolutely inspired by that and I like to think Gohan was inspired by the comics he was reading
If Ssj3 Gotenks matched Super Buu, then Kid Buu wouldn't be that much a challenge if he fought seriously. You assessment is correct.
Wrong as fukk lol
Kid Buu is stronger than super boo
@@RobinDTonynah. He not
@@ParadiseDB7well if we use that logic than we can assume that kid buu is stronger than Buuhan right?
@@jirrelljkid buu is definitely arguably stronger and if its anime kid buu he’s definitely stronger
Buu arc most powerful to least
Vegito
Buuhan
Buutenks
Gohan
Gotenks
Superbuu
Kidbuu - Goku
Majin buu
Vegeta
crazy how many ppl were actually stronger than kid buu
Super Perfect Cell vs Pre Majin Vegeta.
Super Janemba vs Ultimate Gohan. Thank You.
Damn I hope he see this lol
As soon as Gotenks breaks himself and Piccolo out of the room, he tells Super Buu to die because he’s ate everyone and attacks him.
He couldn’t harm Buu.
Needed Piccolo’s assistance.
And admitted that he couldn’t weaken Buu physically.
Buu’s Ki never diminished. Thus never took damage.
And Toriyama illustrated Gotenks with Pinocchio’s lying nose when Gotenks said he was the strongest.
1. Buu was def afraid when gotenks was about to blast him before defusing, AND gotenks had him on the ropes.
2. Piccolo assisted ONLY with the volleyball gimmick
3. Essentially all of the buus, yes all, have near infinite stores of stamina (no statements or signs of fatigue from any buus across all the fights) except ONLY when vegeta remarks when fat buu fought kid buu
4. Gotenks almost certainly throughout the entire story is a gag character so not sure what this point is supposed to prove? It’s prettt clear in the fight gotenks is relative to super buu
He could harm buu, he just couldn't keep the damage done to stick over time. Same with Buuhan vs Vegeto, we see Buuhan get wreaked and then after a brief period he's back to full if given the time. It's also why goku couldn't hurt fat buu or kid buu, goku didn't have the power to make any lasting damage before they'd heal up.
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Kid Buu’s Ki signature never dropped vs Goku, meaning Goku never damaged Kid Buu.
Vegetto permanently destroyed Buuhan’s head tentacle, which couldn’t be regenerated and had to be regrown from the rest of his body.
Meanwhile, Super Buu could regenerate from ash/smoke vs Gotenks. And Kid Buu could regenerate from nothing vs his own Ki blast, and from nothingness from Vegeta’s barrage of Ki blasts.
Mike you have been killing it lately. Your the best DBZ YT by far
Agreed. Even when I know the answer myself I still love to listen to him carefully explain the answers in such detail. Great content. It's a shame Super isn't really nuanced enough to give us interesting DB content
Anime: Kid Buu
Manga: Gotenks EASILY
Bro, that spiritbomb feat is one one of the strongest feats in the entire series..... Vegeta got his ass handed to him by a tiny sprititbomb formed from plants and stuff on the earth. Frieza got his ass handed to him by one created by the entire Namek Solar system.... The one that killed Kid Buu was powered by The Z fighter, the androids, King Yemma and his entire work force, the namekians and the supreme kais AND the ENTIRE population of the earth..... No matter how you slice it, that's STRONG AS HELL.
For you to invalidate that feat is truly insane. At no other point in dragonball has anyone ever qualified the type of Ki energy used as a reason as to why an attack didn't work or is not as strong of an attack...... In dragonball, characters CANNOT stop, block, or deflect an attack stronger than themselves EVER. You WILL NOT find an instance where this is NOT true.
Frieza didn't do it. Vegeta didn't do it. For you to say Kid Buu WAS NOT stronger than the spiritbomb thrown at him is just an insane interpretation of things, given that whole rule. And proof from BOTH of those encounters, that they tried their damnest and could not stop the attack......
29:49 Detonate the explosion?????????? That's NOT how the spiritbomb works. Neither time Goku used this before did he actively work to detonate it..... Nor did anyone else. The one that got Vegeta, hit him instantly and started damaging him. Goku was wasted on the sidelines.The one that got Frieza, Goku was ducking for cover, it went off on it's own..... Here Goku actively threw his own power on top to push the attack over the edge..... The attack was STOPPED by Kid Buu's power and Goku then OVERLOADED IT WITH HIS OWN POWER. And after doing that, he was exhuasted again....
I usually agree with you takes on this, but here it seems like you had a conclusion in mind already, then interpreted things to support it.... I mean you literally gloss over the fact that BOTH Vegeta and Goku admit that they underestimated Kid Buu, in the manga..... and that Kid Buu never went all out against him....
Also, WEAKER character have time and time again have been shown to be able to distract, disrupt, hold off, and block character FAR more powerful than themselves. Examples:
- Goku holding Raditz so Piccolo can charge hte Speical Beam Cannon
- Gohan and Krillen vs Frieza MUTLTIPLE times
- Tien using the Tri-Beam on Semi-Perfect Cell
If this can happen here, noting the great power differences, then why can't this be the case for Fat Buu vs Kid Buu????
On top of that you say that Fat Buu no longer has the influnce of the Kais in him, so he's much weaker, well where the hell did they go???? They're not inside Kid Buu......So where are they. South Supreme Kai, who you say powered up Kid Buu IS inside Fat Buu still.....So honestly, his power SHOULDN'T have changed at all...... The only thing that's missing is the evil natural nature of the original Buu... The power from the Daikiaoshin and South Supreme Kai are still inside Fat Buu AND both of them are more powerful than Kid Buu individually.
Idk man, there's just SO much wrong in this video. You can interpret things how you _want_, but that doesn't disprove how others interpret things at all..... You haven't at all proven anything here.... The spiritbomb feat is HUGE, one of the strongest feats in the series. Goku couldn't fucking pull that off. Gohan and the other certainly couldn't.
If you want a REAL definitive answer to this question, PROVE that Gotenks could stop that Spiritbomb attack. Then me and anyone else who disagrees can't say anything.
I always wanted to see Gotenks fight in SS2 form. It wouldn't burn out his fusion as fast, and he would still be extremely powerful. Twice as strong as his SS1-self but a quarter of his SS3-self.
I think Toriyama forgot about Ss2. Or that he just intended each time we see a SS it is actually the Ascended ss2 form?
@@JayKay-on2grIt’s as simple as aesthetics.
@@JayKay-on2gr think you’re right. Idk where, but I heard that apparently he thought ssj3 was ssj2 and so just completely forgot about the actual ssj2. Don’t quote me on that tho, might just be something fans made up
@@randomcommenter6498yeah, that's true. He said it in an interview years ago when BOG came out.
With SS1 doing what it did to buu, I would think that SS2 would be just enough with epic battle of course .
Honestly this whole argument is based on interpreting different comments goku made. The actual facts often disagree with what goku says.
1) to clarify goku did not explicitly say gotenks is stronger than him. He only said he told that to buu likely in an attempt to buy them time. And based on how the following scenes play out its likely that is not actually the case. At least not initially.
As a reminder as soon as the boys unlock fusion they go off to fight buu. In the Manga the fight happens off screen but it still happens. When they return they are badly beaten. Ie at least initially goku is greater than gotenks initial appearance since we know goku was stronger than the fat buu who beat gotenks handily.
2) super buu himself is actually most likely not that much stronger than the initial fat buu. What the fans call super buu is actually just the initial fat buu but not holding back due to the influence of the kais. He is tamed and restrained but we do see that when the fat buu gets angry his energy increases. Super buu is just a fat buu with rage boost by default.
3)this is open to interpretation but the scene where goku says super buu is stronger them is qualified by the phrase "like this". Ie miniaturized versions of themselves. They had no idea leaving buu would cause them to revert. Their whole plan was improvised since the fusion wore off. Remember they thought it was supposed to be permanent.
4) vegetas statements of we can take him don't make sense in any context. We already know vegeta is no match for the initial fat buu let alone kid buu who is clearly stronger. This just another example of vegeta being overconfident which is consistent withbhis character. It's explicitly stated buu is getting stronger. People can downplay that all they want but that is explicitly what is said by goku who has more insight than vegeta does. At least in Z. Also as a little side note the God ki aspect of kid buu could be a nice little retcon to explain why vegeta couldn't sense his full power. But obvious toriyama hadn't thought of that yet
Facts. They just heavily underestimated Buu from the jump. Literally, right out of the shell.
They had every reason to believe removing the Fat Buu would make him weaker. They wouldn’t know the Fat Kai was the only thing holding Kid Buu’s power back.
Super Buu knew this. He also knew once the Fat Kai was removed, he would no longer exist as a personality. He literally won’t be himself anymore.
They do this and there’s an immediate personality struggle with Super Buu being the first one “killed” followed by Buff Buu. Leaving Kid Buu, the original personality back in control.
We see this play out on screen but since Goku/Vegeta don’t understand exactly what’s goin on, following their narrative we come to false conclusions like they could “probably” take the small buu.
We then see Kid Buu. In the anime he sends a small blast to destroy earth. Vegeta stops it, he smiles and sends so much energy they couldn’t hope to stop it. Proving this narrative wrong.
The last underestimation was Vegeta saying Goku could win. He showed us repeatedly he couldn’t. Not with his own power. Leading to Vegeta suggesting the Spirit Bomb. A technique that uses outside energy and doesn’t require much energy to wield. Remember, the wish for Goku’s energy was Dende’s idea. This proves that Vegeta was wrong. Without that wish, they die.
The fact that it was Vegeta’s idea only highlights our characters at the idea. They both WANTED to fight Kid Buu. They’re saiyan lol They wanted to see if they could win with their own power. Vegeta realizes he doesn’t stand a chance almost instantly. Goku did a little better. Once it became clear they probably weren’t gonna win with their own power, Spirit Bomb.
And this leads to Goku making the wish for Uub. Because he couldn’t overcome Kid Buu with his own power.
Poetic lol
In Super, I like the God Ki thing but they missed the mark a little bit IMO like Kid Buu had God Ki from the Grand Supreme Kai. Cool but why not the South Supreme Kai? The Kai that, for all we know was still apart Kid Buu when Goku killed him?
LSM did a video about him and I’m like shyt, maybe they just forgot lol but I digress.
I think all the Buu’s are underrated. Him having multiple personalities makes him so interesting lol then his crazy absorption and the Kai’s just add to the cleverness of the character.
If Fat Buu was on that timing, Gotenks would’ve ran into battle and been killed instantly lol If Super Buu went to blow up the Earth, could Gohan have actually stopped him? We don’t know lol
Kid Buu doing what he did made me really question if anybody really stood a chance up to that point lol if any other Buu decided to go the Kid Buu route, who at the time could really stop it? Kid Buu only fought AFTER he blew up the Earth. Every other Buu didn’t try lol
Some people really underestimate Gotenks. Even just in SSJ.
Last week I saw people on insta debating whether Gotenks in SSJ could be cell saga Gohan.
Must be crack that they're smoking.
Gotenks as a ssj solos the saga
That’s actually a good debate. That Gohan should be around Buu Saga Vegeta as ss2. Gotebks should clap him but that Gohan has also been freshly trained by Goku…definitely a good one. But Kid Buu washing Gotenks and it ain’t even close imo
I made two assumptions.
Pre-ROSAT Gotenks because Post-ROSAT Gotenks is OBVIOUSLY clappin 11 year old Gohan.
Assumption 2: they meant ss2 Gohan.
Gotenks disnt do that hot against Fat Buu before the Time Chamber. Ss2 11 year old Gohan coulda been stronger.
Gotenks doesn’t show us he’s on ss3 Goku’s level until after the chamber.
@@maniacslap1623 I would argue that Goku and Vegeta were stronger as SSJ2 during Boo Saga than Gohan SSJ 2 during Cell Saga BUT Vegeta was around 40 and Gohan 12 sooooooo....
Goku obviously wasn’t at full power at any of the times prior to Vs Kid Buu since Vegeta said Goku is stronger than he imagined after sensing every power up and the fight vs Fat Buu.
After reading through the comments, I'm glad to see a majority of viewers are thinking the same way; Gotenks is superior in power and takes the win BUT only if he takes things seriously and quickly ends Buu. Seriously, we know this kid would either get absorbed again of play with his prey for too long and Buu would just blow up whatever planet they are on and reform when it's all said and done.
Honestly, I don't even think Gotenks NEEDS to go Super Saiyan 3. Just Super Saiyan 1 Gotenks should be able to get the job done. He should only go SS3 if he NEEDS to and if he is trying to get the job done ASAP because remember SS3 Gotenks only lasts for 5 minutes. Once his energy runs out, he reverts back to base and then defuses quickly after.
I just recently found this channel and just wanted to let you know I love your content, man. It’s especially nice to see someone who so heavily references the manga when it comes to the Dragon Ball continuity. I really appreciate that, and I love how in-depth you get with these discussions. Keep up the good work.
Kid Buu is not full power Buu fights a piece of himself.
Next Goku and Vegeta are not reliable narrators. They're shown and not be able to detect the kaioshin power. They judge the demon King to be around the same level as Cell when he's arguably more powerful. And Goku expected Gotenks to beat fat buu. Not with more training or with Grade 6 just regular super Saiyan Gotenks.
I'll ended with Goku has been using Spirit bombs against opponents who are at a minimum three times more powerful than himself. The attack has either done serious damage or just straight-up defeated them.
The Spirit bomb against buu being bolstered by Goku. I don't see Gohan or Gotenks tanking it. It's not a big deal with Gohan or Gotenks to be more powerful than Goku but I don't see either one of them being three or four times more powerful.
Just saying that the fight between these two might be a little bit more competitive than we think.
Long story short. Ssj Gotenks stomps KidBuu. Ssj3 is overkill
Great video! I think you covered almost everything you could.
One of the arguments I hear for why Gotenks couldn't beat Kid Buu is how Goku's reaction to the prospect of Gotenks and Gohan coming to fight Kid Buu was kind of nonchalant compared to his reaction to the prospect of Buucolo vs Gohan.
Great video as always. Myself I say no Kid Buu wins the fight. Because telling Gotenks not to play around is very tough if not impossible and I'll give you that Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu if not Buu's absorbed forms, so doubtful Gotenks wouldn't play around. But let's say Gotenks goes round two on the Kai's world, I still say no. Because Goku realized to me not only is Kid Buu far more powerful than almost anyone they had faced, but he can't be reasoned with like others, he has no desires of his own so he can't be tricked, and his stamina and regeneration are through the roof. Because even when Vegeta who pulled no punches against Majin Buu realized I have to use the Final Explosion it's strong enough to reduce him to shreds but Buu still got up, and when the Super Ghost Kamikaze attack was used on Super Buu that turned him to shreds and the shreds were reduced to ash if not smoke yet he still came back. The only attack that seemed to work was the Spirit Bomb, now whether that was do to magical or harnessing the good if not souls of all living things, or if at full power it's just that strong, does change the Spirit Bomb was the only thing to keep Buu down for good. So Gotenks doesn't have an attack that vould do that even if he tried a kamehameha I doubt it would far better than a super ghost attack. Also stamina Buu would have greater stamina than a full power SS3 Gotenks. Buu ironically takes the best aspects of all the major villains in DBZ, the overwhelming power of Freiza, Cell, and the Androids, but he also has the stamina of the Androids were he power doesn't really seem to go down, and he has Cell's regeneration to come back from pretty much anything but never looses stamina when regenerating. No matter the time Gotenks is Trunks vs Cell a less experienced fighter that wouldn't be able to put all this together in enough time to win, let alone having an attack to seal the deal.
Regular Full Powered Perfect Cell vs Buu Saga SSj1 Goku.
Goku neg diffs
Piccolo was confident that ssj1 Gotenks could handle Fat Buu, so ssj1 Gotenks is either comparable or stronger than the ssj3 Goku who battled Fat Buu and that's BEFORE Goten and Trunks trained in the time chamber.
Post Time Chamber SSJ1 Gotenks would be stronger than SSJ3 Goku was when he fought Kid Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks would literally OneShot Kid Buu 😅
Bruh didn’t one shot anything the whole saga yet he gone one shot Kid Buu? Fukk no. He blows up Kid Buu, Kid Buu comes back and it’s curtains.
Y’all see repeatedly nobody generates enough energy to kill any Buu until the Spirit Bomb. Y’all also see Gotenks blow Super Buu to shyts multiple times and it doesn’t work.
The anime does a good job at showing this. Go watch Goku point blank Kid Buu to the head and fail and tell me u really believe Gotenks could do it.
Goku outright states they should be able win and minutes later Kid Buu unleashes a blast that him and Vegeta cant stop. What does that tell u fam? That they had severely underestimated Kid Buu.
I just don’t see it. That’s before taking into account Gotenks personality, in which case, he definitely gettin washed. No ifs, no buts.
After the Elder Kaioshin says Kid Buu is the most difficult, Young KibitoKaioshin says yeah, Buu’s power was reduced by the absorptions and he’s now returned to his original self by losing all that he absorbed.
The fact of the matter is that Southern Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin weakened Kid Buu far more than any Z fighter strengthened Super Buu.
The Grand Supreme Kai definitely. He’s the only one shown to weaken Buu but he’s also the only one who Buu had no reason to absorb…makes me think he planned it…which would make a lot of sense if your only other choice was death lol
The grand kai for sure, southern no. In universe it doesn’t make sense for the southern absorptions to weaken buu as well given the fact that the “soul” he gains is in direct relation to his power loss. Buff buu is definitely still VERY evil, and very much a mindless brute. Yeah he says absorptions, but what we see in universe begs to differ. We know for certain after the grand Kai’s absorption, his power dropped because he gained a soul at THAT absorption, not with the southern absorption
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Re watch the fight with Kid Buu vs Southern Kaioshin. Kid Buu had no reason to absorb him.
Kid Buu is described as a being without reason. So to say he ever had a reason for anything I’d naivety.
And both the manga and anime state that both the Kaioshin (absorptions, plural; and souls, plural) weakened Buu.
@@bzdagoat
The Japanese manga and Japanese anime literally state that the absorptions (plural) weakened Kid Buu.
The English manga said the souls (plural) tamed Kid Buu. Which means to make less powerful and easier to control.
@@trailsandtribulations7137 the pluralism is really semantics, it’s pretty clear there is the correlation with having gotten a “soul” and weakening, in order to weaken you have to gain a soul n like I said buff buu very clear was still very much evil and wild. Hbd doesn’t fully gain a “soul” till absorbing grand kai as we see in his playful nature and always wanting sweets for example
Two fights that look alike:
SS3 Gotenks vs Super Buu
SS Gotenks vs Kid Buu
Super Saiyan gotenks easily would slap around kid buu. However, nothing is certain with any version of buu. I reckon kid buu finds a way to absorb gotenks.
Hence why they didn't fight on the kaio world. Kid buu would reabsorb gohan/gotenks. Buu almost got goku lol (when kid buu turned into a square and approached goku).
Gotenks getting washed. Don’t act like he wasn’t trying against Super Buu. He tried he failed. The Kid would blow his shyt like he tried to do with Goku. If he survives, he gettin hands until his fusion wear off.
It’s like the Gohan fight. We know Gohan coulda won but he lost because he was arrogant. With Gotenks, we don’t even know if he woulda won. He thinks he wins that fight multiple times. Even Piccolo thinks he wins at one point. Both wrong.
Notice Goku went from confidently saying he could, to running from his life when Kid Buu unleashed on the Earth.
Gotenks getting clapped and it ain’t even close.
Kid Buu Wins Mid-High Difficulty
Kid Buu is already toying with ssj3 goku and remember that this ssj3 goku didn't hold back like when he fought fat buu also he held the spirit bomb which contains most of Z Fighters and some earthling population also goku stated that kid buu has gotten a lot powerful and dangerous when he last faced him so this just proves that kid buu would absolutely beat super buu also not to mention that gotenks recklessness and childish behavior would led to his easier defeat.
Just for fun:
Vegito>>>>Buuhan>Buutenks>>Ultimate Gohan>Kid Buu>Buff Buu>Buuccolo>Gotenks=Super Buu>Evil Buu>SSJ3 Goku>Fat Buu>>SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Gotenks loss to SuperBuu!
SuperBuu is no where close to being stronger than KidBuu.
SuperBuu also has DaiKaioshin's heart! When Vegeta removed DaiKaioshin's heart Buu's ki got bigger! It kept on rising until Buu fully reverts back into KidBuu!
It took ki from everyone (including those who makes up Buuhan altogether) and from everywhere just to beat KidBuu!
Even Super Saiyan 1 Gotenks >>> Kid Buu.
Goku ssj3 = Kid Buu
Gotenks ssj1 >>> Goku ssj3
Gotenks ssj3 >>>>>> Goku ssj3
The Kid Buu disrespect is amazing as usual. And this one statement by Goku seems to triumph over everything else.
Vegita pulls out Fat Buu from Super Buu stating Super Buu power will go down. It is stated to go up. But it must have gone back down due to Goku statement. Regardless that makes no sense. Regardless that no one ever says it. Regardless that Vegita once they defused stated fusion wasn’t necessary anymore as he was never that afraid of super Buu. And regardless that from a writing perspective it at worst makes no sense and at best is confusing if you have a character give a plan the plan is executed the intended result doesn’t happen but then it does happen but the writer doesn’t state it happens it must be inferred. Seriously?
Elder Kioshin states Kid Buu is the most dangerous or difficult (the Japanese word means powerful or dangerous or difficult depending on context according to Herms) That can’t mean power due to Goku statement. It must mean personality. Where has anyone been less intelligent and less powerful but been more difficult?
Goku states Vegita’s wish is to have Gohan and Gotenks fight with them. Somehow either could individually defeat him but he doesn’t say that. Even though Goku stated Gotenks can beat Fat Buu and Gohan can beat Buu with piccolo.
Goku makes a Genki Dama but that’s only Genki. Even though Vegita says Goku is going to get as much energy as he can. Even though a person puts his hands up and he states it took all my energy. Even though ogre in King Yama are on the ground as they gave energy too a physical showing that it is all ki. Even though the Namekians states categorically they gave all their Ki to the Genki Dama, Gohan must not have because Goku stated he can’t beat Super Buu but can beat Kid Buu so Kid Buu must be weaker. I guess Gohan unlike the namekians, king Yama, and random humans, didn’t want to defeat Buu as he only gave a small portion of his ki.
Gotenks is beating kid buu pretty easily. People forget normal gotenks is already stronger than ssj3 Goku after training super Saiyan alone would be enough to take out Kid buu after his training with ssj3 as a last resort I don’t think he would need to use it against kid buu anyways.
One thing I disagree with Laughingstock on is that the Spirit Bomb being comprised of only "genki" doesn't put the attack down, nor makes it weaker in any way.
Genki seems to be exponential in nature (when comparing it to the times he used it and the bit of energy he gathered vs Vegeta and Frieza...vs Kid Buu, he needed everyone's energy, including the Earth itself).
The 3 times Goku used the Spirit Bomb (vs Vegeta, vs Frieza and vs Kid Buu), his ultimate attack was always far stronger than his max power at the time.
Vs Vegeta, he didn't do much damage even after surpassing him with Kaioken X3 and a X4 Kamehameha. However, half of the Spirit Bomb almost killed Vegeta and did the most amount of damage that entire fight. Same with Frieza, x20 was blocked by Frieza with a little bit of damage, yet the Spirit Bomb almost killed him. Btw, he did all these feats with almost 0 energy like when vs Kid Buu.
With Kid Buu, the energy itself wasn't enough, he needed to add his SSJ power and detonate it. It's pretty clear when comparing it to the other times he used it
I never said the Spirit Bomb is somehow weaker because of it being comprised of Genki, just that the inclusion of Gohan’s power in it and Buu resisting doesn’t mean Kid Buu is stronger than Gohan, which people often contend. You also missed the entire point I made about how the energy from humanity and some others who all combined had less battle capabilities/power than Gohan multiplied that power many-fold. Something you can visually see depicted on screen.
Buu resisted because Goku had no energy left to detonate the bomb. If he had energy remaining and threw it, he would have killed Buu right away. That was proven when he had his energy restored by Porunga. And that was just SSJ1 Goku, which is obviously far less powerful than Gohan, Gotenks, or Kid Buu.
@@LSMMIKE I recognize that I may have misunderstood some parts of the video. Thanks for the reply. I will rewatch it again.
The one thing I still disagree with you on is the point you just made. The Goku who launched the Spirit Bomb at Frieza also had almost 0 energy, yet the attack didn't require for it to be "detonated" to almost kill Frieza who was way more powerful than Kaioken x20, let alone this Goku.
It seems Kid Buu was still able to block the attack and Goku needed SSJ to magnify the Spirit Bomb.
Knowing that the attack was created to destroy beings like Kid Buu, that is a very impressive feat for the little monster.
As I said in the video, the idea of requiring energy for detonation contradicts the previous examples of the spirit Bomb and likely was added by Toriyama at the last second to stretch out the ending and further increase the tension of the climax. If you really want to you can make an in-universe argument that he was drained even more by using SSJ3 than Kaioken, but it’s a stretch either way.
@@LSMMIKE I agree that it seems inconsistent when comparing it to the previous times he used it. Thank you for clarifying it for me. Guess some things will remain unclear due to Toriyama's sometimes forgetful nature.
I enjoyed discussing these points with you. Keep up the good content 😁
Thanks for watching. I appreciate it.
When you mentioned the size & power requirements for fusion it just reminded me about the constant height fluctuations in Dragon ball , because Vegeta was nowhere near the height of Goku which makes me wonder what does Toriyama mean by "similar size"
Within a couple inches or height I'm sure I'm pretty sure they're both only 5'9" and 5'5" or 5'6" respectively
The mistake in your video is that you are assuming Goku hadn't gotten way stronger since fighting buu. Filler doesn't mean it's a dream sequence or it didn't happen. Filler is just a term we use to describe something that was added for time. Fair enough, but like it or not, it's canon to the anime, to the story being told. So, Goku being a match for Gohan in only his SS form, makes him superior to SS3 Gotenks by a mile. And that Goku lost to Kid Buu while using a form that was over 4x stronger than the one he used against Gohan(until he used the SB)
You totally just skipped over this.
Goku was trolling to make buu want to wait on gotenks. The reason goku said the fusion would be stronger than him is becsuse he wants the new generation to save the earth not a dead guy. Motivation to sum it up.
30:35 i think on kid buu is just on another level of not stamina, ruthlessness and unpredictability.
Ik it's been 7mos since it was originally released but Goku's anime statement of "Buu is on a whole nother level" could be taken as "Wow this buu is on a whole other level, now we may actually be able to defeat him." It causes confusion either way but the tone and context of it is different in that regard.
Its crazy how many of these fights are so controversial yet dbz is seen as the time when power scaling was easy
It was really easy until buu saga
it's easy if we take feats instead of statements, elder kai and shin add so much unneeded nonsense, they hype up kid buu like he's stronger than buuhan, when clearly he isn't. everytime they open their mouths they add more confusion to the situation.
They actually downplay Kid Buu power wise. The Kai’s and the saiyans. They all underestimate Kid Buu lol
Also, they make multiple statements about the Fat Kai calming Buu’s soul when in fact, the feat of sealing someone that wasn’t capable of being sealed before implies more than just a calm soul. It implies a weakening.
In reality, everybody blew Buu to shyts multiple times, all versions that fought, were blown up by characters who we were told were stronger. None of it worked.
In the final fight, ss3 Goku hammers this point home by blowing up Kid Buu multiple times. They then use a technique that’s bare minimum 30x stronger than what Goku can produce on his own.
All the Buu’s were more powerful than the cast knew. The ending just doubles down on that.
Kid Buu was the strongest.
@@maniacslap1623 The first point is false because a downplay would mean that the character is actually strong when others think that he isn't, which isn't the case kid buu can't beat SS3 goku whereas Super buu buutenks and buuhan would beat Goku to the point where Goku doesn't even want to fight them. the kais words can't be taken seriously because time and time again they say something and it turns out either completely wrong or irrelevant they are exposition characters that don't do their job. and another thing is Goku doesn't downplay opponents HE KNOWS he can beat fat buu and kid buu and he knows he can't beat super buu and his variations. sensing ki has been an ability since the saiyan saga. the calming thing has absolutely 0 statements made about it. the only thing that we know is that it made buu reasonable that's it. and from the fights we know that kid buu is weaker than super buu. for the 3rd point what blowing him up easily means is that he has 0 durability and relies purely on his regeneration which is what was being hammered home. the characters say it time and time again, that if there's enough power output then they can kill him. Gotenks wasn't going all out against super buu and he even says he could've killed him with relative ease. Gohan 100% could've killed super buu as well but his arrogance always comes back to bite him. Vegito could've wiped out Buuhan. and Goku if not for the SS3 drain could've gathered enough energy to obliterate kid buu. They need the spirit bomb specifically because Goku couldn't gather energy in SS3 to one shot kid buu. it's actually absurd how much evidence we have for Kid buu being one of the weakest forms of buu and despite that there are still people that think that somehow kid buu is the strongest.
Part of the problem the last few years has been some more popular powerscalers really latching onto questionable sources like anime filler, databooks that have basically nothing to do with Toriyama, magazines that have nothing to do with TOriyama, statements from ANIME MOVIE WRITERS, etc. It's always a bit odd seeing something like "THE TRUTH ABOUT SUPER BUU VS KID BUU" and pretty much all evidence in favor of Kid Buu is anime filler or a magazine that says some shit like "GOKU AND VEGETA FOUGHT REPLICAS IN SUPER BUU'S BODY THAT WERE TOTALLY AS STRONG AS THE REAL WARRIORS!".
That and "well actually Goku was lying or just wrong" when it comes to his statements about being able to beat Kid Buu or lose to Super Buu which..... make no sense since Goku doesn't really lie much and when he does, it's either really obvious or he mentions it.
See people who only watch the American dub and played the video game always believe kid buu was stronger
It's not just the dub the anime throws in one line about kid buu being stronger. But events in the anime contradict it. The manga is free of contradictions
@@psychotropicfan elder kai spouting nonsense is always what ruins it.
Kid buu easy, both would most certainly play around too much and that would frustrate Gotenks distracting them even further. Also we only can assume the regeneration is weaker, but it also isn't insane to think kid buu would still be able to come back from smoke, and Gotenks never showed a more destructive attack to handle that
Kid Buu Wins Gotenks is a Gag Character Despite Gotenks being far Superior in strength, the Character is just hard to be taken seriously his purpose is to be comedic relief and has never gotten anything done because of it. Maybe until Goten and Trunks are Adults it’s probably gonna always be that way.
I have 2 great questions. Would Gotenks has been able to reach ssj3 if Goten and Trunks didn't see and feel it?
And does beast Gohan have God ki? I thought Vegeta got super Saiyan God from fighting people with God ki. It was mentioned in battle of gods that Goku felt God ki and remembered it, or something like that.
If you pay attention you get the awnsers
The thing is kid buu didn’t exist in mind of Akita during the super buu arc. Such a missed opportunity.
I feel like this can be used to Argue Gohans Superiority to Ssj3 Goku
I can't trust Gotenks in a fight he plays too much.
Who would win between Ultimate Gohan vs Buff Buu?
Kid buu! Gotenks ego will be his undoing as always and kid buu will gladly play with him to drag things out
Yep, he defuse and dead meat, I like gotenks but he isn't ready for kid buu
Y’all are reaching 😂
Personally I don't think gotenks has the firepower needed to obliterate Buu. He definitely would overpower buu But would he have enough in him to keep him from regenerating? I feel like compared to a super Buu kid buus regeneration is on a different level.
That’s what I’m saying. Like Goku used the Spirit Bomb for no reason…Gotenks would be clapped as soon as soon Buu woke up. I can think of hypotheticals where he COULD win, knowing what we know, he won’t lol
You have no evidence to support his regeneration is better
Goku is Vastly weaker than Gotenks as Stated multiple times
Of course buu can regen against a weaker opponent
Please read manga
I’m reading, he was vastly stronger than Goku lol or was the Spirit Bomb for no reason?
Super Buu vs Janemba would be a good “What if?” Fight!
You are still a wrestling fan deep down.
The fact of the matter is!
Thank you for helping me get through my work days! Great content
If Gotenks took the fight seriously and tried to kill Buu immediately, then yeah he'd definitely win. As far as raw power goes Gotenks is much stronger than Buu. The issue is he's as arrogant, if not more so, than Vegeta and would likely screw around and burn through his energy without actually killing Buu.
I don't see Gotenks behaving in a way completely uncharacteristically of him so I'll say Kid Buu will win despite being outclassed in power.
Facts. And it’s not even close. More likely Gohan could but even that’s debatable.
That stamina/regeneration ain’t going anywhere and the only scenarios Gotenks wins is if we disregard that lol
But fans gon fans
If he had a technique like the Spirit Bomb, whole different argument. Or something like the Tri-Beam. He would definitely use it and it might work the first time.
Kid buu is the weakest buu , besides when fat buu splits up good and evil
Gotenks could win, but he never takes anybody seriously.
I’m tired of the kid buu disrespect he would solo zeno 😠😂Jp but he would just blow up the planet then go to other world to get more smoke from the dead opp gotenks . I’m just playing. W video!!!!!!!!! Love watching ur videos
I’m just here looking for that one comment about Mike giving credit, respecting the audience and such lol
I love the drawings you use in the thumbnails. The one of Gotenks here is awesome but I would've loved to have seen him as a SSJ3 in this art style for your thumbnail considering the title. As for the topic, it's a shame we never really see Gotenks as a SSJ3 or Kid Buy go all out as Gotenks was messing around (+ Buu was stalling for Gohan) and it didn't look like Kid Buu was taking his fight with SSJ3 Goku that serious either.
Here's a video topic...
Why was kid Buu stronger than fat Buu?
Easy. The Fat Kai weakened him on purpose because why else would Buu absorb someone who’s marginally weaker than himself? The Fat Kai tricked him and fukked him up with his magic on the inside. Once they remove him, Kid Buu’s power is freed. Addition by subtraction.
There ya go fam lol
The fight would objectively go however Kid Buu wanted it to go.
If Kid Buu wanted to drag it out and dance on him like he did Goku, he would. And it’d look like Gotenks was fairing well, like it looked like Goku did.
But if Kid Buu put forth effort to finish Gotenks from the beginning, then Kid Buu would slaughter Gotenks. Quickly.
As he would do to Ultimate Gohan.
Facts
1. Idk why people act like kid buu was dancing on goku the ENTIRE fight 😭😭
2. It was one panel and one scene kid buu was dancing and mocking goku because like all the other buus their stamina and regeneration are off the charts.
3. When he danced goku literally was mad and referenced buu taking his time in regenerating himself.
4. If characters are holding back in dragon ball, you will find statements, instances in a fight where one person takes the advantage and keeps it, etc. example, cell vs goku. Frieza vs everybody.
5. If kid buu is far above goku, it makes no sense for him to not beat the crap outta goku immediately LIKE HE DID VEGETA. Sure vegeta was way weaker than goku, but according to y’all, they are all fodder to kid buu? A mindless, incarnation of evil? Why would an insane character entertain someone way weaker than him and make it seem like goku was holding his own?
6. In the entire fight, the two are fighting relative. Kid buu has stamina and regeneration (like all the other buus) and ssj3 goku’s energy is plummeting like crazy. Which toriyama makes SEVERAL statements about in universe for us the readers to understand.
7. Ultimate gohan slaughters kid buu
These videos remind me of long threads in old dragon ball boards about who was stronger. When they use the namek dragon balls, don't they say "you're going to bring Gohan and the boys here, to fight buu?" And that's when vegeta says no, earth saves itself. Genki dama time. Was that anime only?
Ssj3 gotenks was on par with super buu. Super buu is stronger than kid buu so gotenks would wreck him. Imo he probably doesn’t even need super saiyan at all to take kid buu. Gotenks base is way stronger than ssj3 goku which seemed to be a just bit weaker than kid buu when goku was fresh.
Gotenks got smoked by Fat Buu. At no point is he stronger than anyone in base. But ok lol
@@maniacslap1623this is gotenks at the time Kid buu emerged. Post ROSAT and post potential zenkais from fighting super buu. Yes he’d smoke fat buu now and kid buu.
Can u please do a video on why no one ever tried to master SSJ3. To reduce the stamina drain.
Because dbz ended and super quickly replaced it with ssjg thus making it a pointless form
@@exia7777and then replaced god with blue, blue with blue kk, blue kk with ui, etc. i hate super
@@_Meltedburrito same
Super Boo is stronger than Kid Boo and Gotenks was a few leagues ahead of Super Boo. Given that Kid Boo is weaker than his previous form - I would say in terms of power, Gotenks would win.
I think Gotenks would find a way to lose. As other commentors say, Gotenks never beats anyone. He'd show great power, stamina, techniques, and fail to secure a kill. We don't know what it takes to kill Kid Buu or Super Buu, short of a massive Genki Dama. I question if Gotenks could actually have killed Super Buu, we just don't know for sure.
The Kid Buu disrespect is crazy lmao
Gotenks could have killed super buu if he would stop dicking around and kid buu is weaker than super buu
What disrespect? You mean the overrated power people think he has?
Facts can't be disrespectful
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GODif they underestimated his power at first then it's fair to say goku and vegetas earlier statements aren't valid when scaling kid buu and super buu
@@elijahwatjen9839 yeah but if kid Buu was really stronger then super Buu which still wouldn't make sense because super Buu is a fusion of two buu's, they would actually need Gogeta or Vegito to win
Lol, Vegeta's technique
Full Energy Blast Volley or Finish Breaker
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GODyup
Yes, Gotenks would have won. By Goku's own words, SSJ Gotenks was more powerful than his SSJ3 form and that was before ROSAT training. As far as Buu saga power levels go, it's pretty much this
Base Goku = 1
SSJ Goku = 50
SSJ2 Goku = 100
SSJ3 Goku = 400
Base Vegeta = 0.66
SSJ Vegeta = 33.33
SSJ2 Vegeta = 66.66
Majin Vegeta = 100
Majin Buu = 200
Good Buu = 66.6
Evil Buu = 133.3
Super Buu = 6,700
Buutenks = 13,400
Buuhan = 16,750
Kid Buu = 400
Base Gotenks = 16.75
SSJ Gotenks = 837.5
SSJ3 Gotenks = 6,700
Ultimate Gohan = 10,050
Don’t forget to mention when Vegeta says Goku is stronger than he imagined.
Just like with Dabura being felt and compared to Cell, then called stronger..
Vegeta sees and feels Goku’s SSJ3 display vs Fat Buu from Other World. The same display was felt in the Kaioshin Realm. Meaning if you’re in Universe 7’s living realm, Universe 7’s afterlife (Other World), or the Kaioshin Realm orbiting Universe 7, and Goku uses SSJ3, you will sense his Ki.
Which brings me to the next two times Goku transforms into SSJ3.
Once for Gohan on the Kaioshin Planet.
And once for Buutenks on Earth.
Since Vegeta was in Universe 7’s Other World, he’d be close enough to sense both SSJ3 power ups from Goku.
Yet when Goku powers up vs Kid Buu (what the Super Exciting Guide described as Full Power is credited as authored by Toriyama), Vegeta admits Goku is stronger than he imagined.
Meaning Goku vs Kid Buu is stronger than Goku was vs Fat Buu, for Gohan, and vs Buutenks.
1. Saiyans get LARGE boosts from: zenkais(near death) fighting long battles, or rage boosts. None of which occur for goku in any continuity other than kid buu. I’m between these ssj3 showings, we see no plausible instance (based on the aforementioned 3 items) to say goku got stronger
2. Goku fought fat buu not with the intent to win, but to stall him. The fight isn’t very long, and once trunks gets the radar goku powers down and we can clearly tell his stamina has just plummeted.
3. Since goku rlly was trying to stall, there’s no reason to believe he was using all his power. Dbz characters fight all the time without being at 100% during a fight. Especially in a fight where the objective is not to win, but stall. For example, cell vs goku. And when you actually analyze the fight, goku was putting it a lot more attacks than fat buu lol.
Don’t forget when Buff Buu is transforming into Kid Buu and his body was NOT changing and Goku questioned how long THIS would go on for..
Goku didn’t know Buu’s body would change again.
The “THIS” Goku is questioning on how long it’d go on for was the rising Ki level.
Buff Buu’s Ki was rising as he changed into Kid Buu.
Which is evidence when Kid Buu became weaker by absorbing the Southern Kaioshin.
Kid Buu > Buff Buu > Super Buu
No Goku commented on buff buu power not kid buu’s power .. And Goku told vegeta they would be killed if they left Buus body …They immediately become confident once kid buu appeared
1. Bro? It is clear goku’s “this” is referring to how long buu was transforming.
2. Multiple pages in the manga and several minutes in the anime is spent on buff buu transforming.
3. “How long is this going to take” makes no sense to attribute to his rising ki.
4. Before the “this” statement, vegeta mentions how buu is still transforming. To which goku follows up with how long is this going to take.
5. Buu gaining a soul when absorbing someone drops his ki. Buff buu is still very much evil and hellbent on destruction, as seen in the anime. So no, buff buu has no soul cuz uh still evil. His power didn’t drop till he absorbed the grand Kai, which is ACTUALLY when his personality changed and he gained a soul. Kaioshin confirms the relation between gaining a soul and losing power.
@@bzdagoat
1) Buu’s body was no longer transforming. There was no indication of a transformation besides rising Ki.
2) In the manga, it’s only 2 pages consisting of a few panels. In the anime, Kid Buu is called stronger than Buuhan multiple times. The anime isn’t your friend if you debate against Kid Buu. Lol
3) See 1).
4) What part of his body was transforming that made Vegeta say that? Or was it his Ki that was still transforming?
5) In the Japanese manga, Japanese anime, Japanese Kai, and official English manga, it says “absorptions” or “souls” (both of which are plural) weakened or tamed Buu, going so far as to “reduce his power”.
I never understood why Gotenks was ALWAYS goofing off. I mean we saw how serious Goten and Trunks could be, yet every time they fused, it was like comedy hour, or in this case half hour.
Because individually they always had people above them. But as a fusion they were literally the strongest person in the universe (before Gohan shows up) that kind of power makes a kid over confident. It's like Gohan during the cell games if he wasn't so angry
They also enable each other really bad. Goten tends to defer to trunks, so they kinda bring out the worse in each other's bad habits.
Trunks is Vegeta's son.
Goten is Goku's son.
They're children of 7 and 8.
Do the math
20:00 you're wrong. Toryiama just had yet ANOTHER "the audience is dumb" moment, he was showing us yet again, "don't misjudge muh small person power" because it makes no sense. both vegeta and goku could sense kid buu's energy, yet they got easily handled afterwards.
Is there a reason he says chi instead of ki? Genuinely curious I just haven’t heard anyone else pronounce it that way.
Chi and Ki are the same concept. “Chi” is the Chinese pronunciation, “Ki” is the Japanese. The manga spells it using Chi, so manga readers tend to use that pronunciation.
I alternate pronunciations for Ki, character names and other elements throughout my videos, in part because my audience is comprised of various demographics who use varied pronunciations.
From a storytelling perspective, especially from a very by-the-book conventional writer like Toriyama, why wouldn't the final boss logically be the strongest?
Probably because Toriyama had written himself into a corner, Gotenks and Gohan by this point were somewhere around 8-10x stronger than Goku and therefore roughly around 30-40x stronger than Vegeta at a minimum, but he wanted the most popular characters in the ending.
The Spirit Bomb could legit be that strong. Goku’s never been shown to need his full power to use it and it’s been shown to hit wayyyy above its weight class. Look at what it did to Frieza, when Goku’s power level was 3M and he was exhausted lmao
I totally agree on all the points you make in your video.
and regarding the idea that kid buu is the strongest buu, apart from the obvious and logical arguments you put forward
I have the impression that people don't see goku's reaction.
against kid buu, he's confident and doesn't want to merge, even going one-on-one against kid buu (in the end, the two are on the same level if you don't take stamina into account).
against super buu, goku doesn't want to fight even with vegeta's help, he absolutely wants to merge with vegeta
against buupicollo , he wants gohan to beat him
against buutenks , he panics and goes straight into ssj3 and begs buu to wait for gohan to find the potala and merge with goku
against buuhan, goku is so desperate (as never before in the manga) that he's ready to fuse with dendé or satan, and even supposing that fusion would make him less strong, he still takes the risk of throwing the potala at satan a few seconds before feeling vegeta's ki.
fat buu and kid buu are the only buu goku can fight
the other versions of buu are simply in a different category of power, far far far superior to him and far far far superior to kid buu or fat buu original
I feel like it would end the same way it did super buu though better or worse depending on what you think
If he wanted too, Gotenks could definitely win a decisive victory. But most likely he would play with his food due to the power gap, and because he’s a fool, and his power up would definitely fade before he has a chance to kill Kid Buu.
So, u saying he wasn’t trying against Super Buu? Cause I remember him trying and that shyt not working lol
@maniacslap1623 not at first. He plays around too much. And it’s heavily implied he was close maybe finishing Super Buu until his SSJ3 wore off. Does that mean he would killed him. Idk. Personally I don’t really think so, but regardless of that fact.
The fact of the matter that is that he is relevant to Super Buu. And Super Buu is far stronger than Kid Buu. So Gotenks would stomp Kid Buu if he really tried too.
Yall trippong Gotenks takes the L everytime
No hypotheticals just use the series.
Gotenks in SSJ3 would not outlast kid buus regeneration. Ssj3 sucked back then because it was draining on stamina and still is. Also Gotenks wouldn't be able to use a strong enough attack akin to the spiritbomb to wipe out buu.
They gon ignore this lol the Kid Buu hate is crazy
Facts, they never knew how strong Buu was and Gohan is the only one you could legitimately argue was stronger without conjecture. Funny thing is, they all blow Buu to pieces. Multiple times. Yet folks believe somehow Gotenks would be able to finally muster up enough strength to finish him? No.
It’s also telling, Super Buu didn’t absorb Gotenks until he felt Gohan’s power. Implying Gotenks was slightly weaker than him if anything. Just enough of a difference to over power Gohan.
The point about the Grand Supreme Kai goes against what’s said about the Kai’s. It was stated the Buff Kai was the strongest. Yet, we should ignore that because why? The GSK is the only Kai that negatively effected Kid Buu. Became the most dominant personality despite being weaker. Why?
We assume a Fat Buu who should be stronger was able to be controlled by Bibidi but Fat Buu clearly can’t be controlled by Babadi. He ends up disobeying him AND killing him.
The GSK made him weaker. Once they removed him, his original power returns. Making Kid Buu the strongest MINUS Buutenks and Buuhan. If Gohan stood a chance against Buucolo, Kid Buu should definitely be in that same ball park at least minus the soul of the GSK.
But haters gon hate lol
SSJ Gotenks would be enough to kill Kid Buu.
Obviously genius
Correct
Original Dragon Ball Z anime says “this is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Buu” about Kid Buu.
And the original anime has Goku say Kid Buu is stronger than anyone he ever fought. Which includes Fat Buu, Buutenks, Buuhan, Super Buu, and Kid Buu.
Love these videos keep em coming. I think whne it comes to Raw Power Gotenks has the edge but just like we saw him in his battle against Super Buu he is not as serious. Going up against a deadly opponent as Kid Buu would not be so mercyful. Kid Buu would ultimatly win.
Kid Buu has been outclassed before. What did he do? He absorbed the kai which was stronger than himself.
A serious Gotenks would wreck Kid Buu though if he goes full power from the start. I mean, their power levels are not even close.
It's Gotenks > Super Buu >> Goku > Kid Buu
So Gotenks is significantly stronger.
33:00 33:31 Sorry man, but learning isnt something Gotenks does. He will waste time playing around since kid buu will indulge him and when the timw runs out bye bye goten and Trunks
Genki is the aspect of Ki that is energy, that is energy beams, that is aura.
Genki is influenced by Shoki and Yuki which results in the Chi level.
The Genki Dama is the title of the technique, but Goku collects Chi. Not Chi.
Goku can gather from inanimate objects.
Seriously... they are both crazy personalities. Kids are kids... they would both GOOF OFF
SSJ3 Gotenks STOMPS!!!…..If he finishes the fight quickly!
He’d probably toy with Kid Buu too much though and burn through the fusion.
A lot of people here seem to think Gotenks would ruin it AGAIN by playing around. I don't think so; he was a boasting kid, not a raging moron... He'd be furious for his previous humiliations and nuke Buu.
Hilarious how you skip over the Super manga in Ch31 stating that the version of Buu who was reincarnated into Uub was the most formidable.
“The very small increase he got from absorbing Piccolo” Why you do Piccolo like that? 😂
Hell absorbing Piccolo boosted his intelligence... He wasn't even able too properly speak until he absorbed Piccolo
As I wrote when you asked: Even if Gotenks went all out as serious as inhumanly possible, he'd still never be able to actually kill Buu before his time was up. Rip him to shreds, blow him up and probably while not taking much damage, sure, but not kill. That's my take.
This is how I see the scale of the buu saga
Super vegito>base vegito>buuhan>Buutanks>gohan>super buu>ssj3 gotanks>kid buu=ssj3 goku>fat buu
In the manga Vegito goes SSJ right after he fuses so we can't assume that he is stronger than Buuhan.
Also Gotenks SSJ3 is easily more powerful than Super Buu if he gets serious.
@@ben8929no they were equal if not super Buu had the slight edge
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD SSJ Gotenks and Super Buu were equal, SSJ3 Gotenks was much more powerful but didn't have enough time
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More duper bashing. It deserves every bit of it..... (moment of self reflection) I'm really still salty that super exists.....
Another thing about this theory is that what if, if kid buu would have decided to play around too much just for Gotenks to diffuse and he kills both Goten and Trunks.
But it would have been fun to see. Imagine if Fat Buu, Gohan, Piccolo, and Gotenks would have fought off Kid Buu while Goku gathered his strength and charged up the Spirit Bomb. If old Kai would have been smart he could have sent someone to heal and give sense beans to Vegeta and Goku.
Another thing is imagine if Goku would have turned into a Golden Oozaru seeing all those moons on Supreme Kai world if old Kai would have pulled out his tail.
I think Kid Buu is stronger than the Super Buu that fought Gotenks BUT not stronger than the other SUPER BUUs .
Knowing what we know about Buu, Super Buu, Kid Buu after watching (or reading) the entirety of the Buu Saga and vs Goku SSJ3… I think Kid Buu will win because of his crazy durability and regeneration and practically unlimited stamina. He will simply outlast Gotenks fusion timer. Gotenks will obligate kid buu but never able to completely kill him off. Kid Buu would just regenerate and regenerate and regenerate until the fusion wears off.
I think to really destroy Buu (of any form), it takes a tremendous amount of power beyond SSJ3. I think it needed the combined ki of all earth people and all namekians. Though his offensive power is less than Gotenks or SSJ3… his durability in terms of regeneration back and getting 100% stamina, he will just outlast.
I’m unsure if Mystic/Ultimate Gohan can even kill off Buu… because Buu can just regenerate. But at least Gohan doesn’t have a the same 30 minutes limite as fusion or can outlast SSJ3’s stamina. So maybe Gohan could finish off kid buu, but we have to assume full power Ultimate Gohan = (ki of all Earth people) + (ki of namekians), so he can wipe not only the physical buu, but Buu’s essence to negate regeneration.
How does kid buu win chat when yall just said gotenks ssj3 beats super buu in the last poll. Gotenks high dif
A lot of people base it off popular and not facts for what ever reason
Right cause Gotenks got a lot of fanboys lol bruh came out the time chamber and gave Super Buu everything he had. It was not enough. Yet they believe he would be able to beat Kid Buu, who blew himself and the planet up for fun. Fukk. Outta. Here. Lmao
Kid Buu dominates because without any absorption to rely on, he can use God ki.
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Piccolo sensed both SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Gotenks and figured Goku could beat Fat Buu at full power but needed to see what Gotenks could do in order to gauge him properly.
And Piccolo, in past tense, says Fusion hasn’t been enough YET. This is when Super Buu exists but is in past tense, referring to Fat Buu. Which means SSJ Gotenks was initially inferior to Fat Buu. And by extension inferior to SSJ3 Goku.
And the back of one of the physical copies of the manga says Buu was unbeatable before transforming into Super Buu. Which means Fat Buu was already unbeatable at the time of becoming Super Buu.
SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > SSJ Gotenks
And most of your arguments stem from SSJ Gotenks somehow being relative to SSJ3 Goku or Fat Buu. Lol
1. This is just a jumbled mess right here.
2. He says fusion isn’t enough when referring to super buu (a buu much stronger than the last) being at the lookout, with piccolo taking into account ssj gotenks having no shot against super buu. Again, a buu much stronger than the last one.
3. The whole yet thing refers to whatever potential training they can do in the chamber, that piccolo is trying to get them to have.
4. Your use of past tense is incorrect. Like I said, piccolo is directly comparing the ssj gotenks he knows to that current buu. Besides, yet implies piccolo thinks he can with more training?
5. Why are you bringing up ssj gotenks being weaker than ssj3 goku? Kinda irrelevant
6. Yes he’s unbeatable due to the fact that he hasn’t been beaten 😭
7. Ssj gotenks being relative to ssj3 goku is irrelevant bc uh well he gets ssj3 later, plus I disagree with ssj gotenks being relative to ssj3
Gotenks would effortlessly erase him.
Now I'm wondering what Goku means by Piccolo slower Super Buu down. Does that mean that Buuicolo is weaker than Super Buu?
I think the only one that’s weaker than Super Buu is Fat Buu and the good/evil sides. I think Kid Buu not having the grand supreme Kai inside him scales around Buucolo.
Buuhan>Buutenks>Kid Buu>Buucolo>Super Buu
I think. I’m in the minority in believing the grand supreme allowed himself to be absorbed to actively weaken Buu. His absorption makes no sense.
What I didn't understand:
SSJ3 Goku>Full Power Fat Buu
Evil Boo>Good Boo
Kid Buu>=Good Buu
The how SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu?? (not saying this bc of your video, but because of the manga itself)