Ex-Top Gear Star Sets Electric Car "Experts" Straight. Shocking Truth About EVs!
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- Is it any wonder that politicians like Rishi Sunak & Donald Trump are pushing back so hard against Electric Cars when there is so much wrong with them? Too expensive, too heavy, flawed batteries, flawed infrastructure, & are they really 'greener ' anyway? These are just some of the things that we hear every day. So why are sales of battery electric vehicles growing like crazy around the globe?
Watch as an ex-Top Gear presenter & a 'scrapheap specialist' dismantle everything you thought you knew about electric vehicles. See the "Biggest Electric Car 'Bull' Shattered", & in front of a live audience. Isn't it time to #StopBS, & start to put the poor motorist & the beleaguered taxpayer first?
This episode was filmed very recently in Westminster in front of an assembled audience of politicians, press and motorists. Be sure to share 'the truth about electric cars' widely....
For more on the organisers of this event, head to: / stopburningstuff
There are several stories quoted in this episode, here are as many of them as we could fit here:
- "Electric cars are better for the climate than petrol or diesel" - Hannah Ritchie, Our World in Data; www.sustainabilitybynumbers.c...
- "EVs are really much better" - Auke Hoekstra, Eindhoven University of Technology; x.com/AukeHoekstra/status/133...
- "Do Electric Vehicles reduce air pollution?" - Hannah Ritchie, Our World in Data; www.sustainabilitybynumbers.c...
- "The End of the ICE age, and how EVs will win" - Rocky Mountain Institute; rmi.org/insight/x-change-cars
- "Consumer support key to faster and fairer EV transition as market enters new phase" - SMMT;
www.smmt.co.uk/2023/09/consum...
- "Battery makers slash cobalt intensity in face of accelerating demand" - SP Global; www.spglobal.com/commodityins....
- "Tesla is already using cobalt-free LFP batteries in half of its new cars produced" - Electrek; electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-....
- "Here’s why sodium-ion batteries are shaping up to be a big technology breakthrough" - CNBC; www.cnbc.com/2023/05/10/sodiu...
- "The electricity grid won’t be able to handle the increase in EVs" - National Grid; www.nationalgrid.com/stories/...
- "Electric cars catch fire less often than fossil fuel cars" - Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency; www.warpnews.org/transportati....
- "No EVs in the multi-storey car park collapse" - BBC News; www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-c...
- "No EVs in this multi-storey car park fire" - Sky News; news.sky.com/story/fire-has-d...
- "Do EVs produce more tyre & brake pollution than petrol and diesel equivalents?" - Euan McTurk; www.rac.co.uk/drive/electric-...
- “I'm Grateful That I Was Driving My EV When I Got Stuck On I-95” - ZETA; www.zeta2030.org/insights/im-...
- "Owning an electric vehicle in Europe could be cheaper than you think, new research shows" - World Economic Forum; europeansting.com/2023/02/23/...
- "Winter range for popular EV models" - Recurrent Auto; www.recurrentauto.com/researc...
- "Electric Car costs set to plummet" - Sky News; news.sky.com/story/electric-c...
#ElectricCars #ElectricVehicles #Tesla #NetZero #ZeroEmissions #Motorist #RishiSunak #DonaldTrump #ElonMusk #StopBurningStuff #TopGear #rowanatkinson
00:00 Intro
02:59 Doubt
12:40 Stand Up
14:48 EVs Cleaner?
19:14 Dirty Batteries?
29:08 Fire Risk?
34:12 Tyre Dust?
36:40 Grid Cope?
40:37 Invisible Infrastructure?
43:20 Heavy BEVs?
47:30 Too Expensive?
49:15 Too Soon? 
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The fact that Sunak is scaling back on Ev targets while his family have such deep ties with oil companies is disgraceful.
Its not disgraceful when its pure survival on his part. Imagine his wife having to tell her Papa that he will loose a few hundred trillions in 10 years?
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Only one letter O in lose.....
@@Brian-om2hh Ahh yes, you are of course wright...
@@wolfgangpreier9160 😂😂 I see what you did there!
@@geoffhaylock6848 Gut Gut! 😎
I'm 63. I have never in my life bought a new car. The most I've ever spent on a used car was $7500, Canadian - and that one was 7 years old, but with low mileage. I know I can't buy a used EV that's any good, for that price. Right now, that's my barrier to owning an EV.
Yes, that's a few years away. You probably don't drive a lot or you would buy more expensive cars. But if you put a lot of miles on your car you could factor in the price of gas to your price. There are used EVs that are cheaper, but they're the ugly slow ones. Nissan Leafs and Chevy Bolts. But you're still looking at 12k or 18k respectively. You can check carvana. Leafs have a reputation for losing range, I don't know how well that is deserved though.
I would think that unless you're in a warm part of Canada you might not want a cheaper EV because it might not handle the low temperatures too well.
But to be honest you are very careful with money. And it is at least arguable that if your real full concern is the environment then it is better not to buy a car at all but live in a place with good public transportation, or if your real full concern is affordability then maybe the same solution is best.
Maybe it is worth splurging on a used Tesla.
Well I'm on carvana right now and I see a 2012 Mitubishi i-MiEV with 31k miles selling for $9,990. Range is 62 miles. :( That's the problem, half the cars these OEMs manufactured are basically golf carts, only useful as grocery or short commute cars. I commute to a city and this mitubishi would basically bring me halfway to the first point in my roundtrip visit.
@@PeterJames143ANOTHER Canadian living in rural northern Canada, I must have a 4x4 to get to my house, which I have a unreliable hydro (electric) supplier that I pay Twice per kilowatt hour compared to cities, with a Diesel generator back up,
I have fuel oil and propane as a heat source as well as water from my well because natural gas will not run a line to our community.
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with the EV brain wash scam as the closest Ev charging station is 1/2 hour drive away.
I won’t get into our weather in Canada as it is what it is. Solar doesn’t work here... even if I clear cut my forest giving me shade.
I truly believe that the corporate & government scam is spinning and shutting down the HYDROGEN being the TRUE SOLUTION!
Conversion kits won’t sell new cars and won’t put massive tax dollars in the government!
YOU keep and buy your EV’s but DO NOT try to shove your scam down my throat.
GO TOYOTA & their hydrogen path👍‼️🇨🇦
@@joandodds7626 hydrogen is a scam just designed to keep people buying gas powered cars.
Hydrogen will never become a reality.
Where do you think you will get hydrogen?
Not at your home.
Takes a lot of electricity to make hydrogen.
@@joandodds7626I‘m sorry, but this does not make sense. You live in a very special place and you have a very special situation. Just because it doesn‘t work for you, does not mean it is the wrong solution. 1. 4x4 EVs exist and can even work better than ICE 4x4. 2. ½ hour drive to the charge, I assume is simmilar to the next gas station and shops, so not ideal at the moment, but also not too bad. 3. If you get, e.g. the F150 lightning, you could power your home during cut outs up to 3 days, without the need for a diesel generator. and 4. Hydrogen is THE scam from big companies to still be able to sell you something they can put s huge margin on, like diesel. Because electricity (solar) can be „made“ by most people on their roof, but hydrogen has to be bought at a gas station or distributed with s grid. Which means you are still in need of these big coroprations…
@@laser_simon922 I also live in Canada (calgary) and don't have a garage so my family's three vehicles park in the driveway and street. Some winters it gets down to -30 Degrees celcius. Being forced into an EV is not going to work for me. The most expensive car I've ever purchased was a used 2013 Chevy Sonic 9 years ago for $15,000 CAD. Although EV's may fit many people's lifestyles they definitely don't fit mine. People living in apartment buildings and similar situations won't have personal garages and private charging stations. The early adopters are obviously the one's with ideal situations as they chose to go electric. Good for them. There's a huge amount of people who don't have the money or living conveniences to follow suit.
The stand up, sit down game was a little silly using a massively biased audience but gave me a chuckle though 😂
So what you’re saying is you should ask EV owners if they would buy another EV for their next car? Who should you be asking then?
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 Can’t you read! What I was saying was that the stupid ass game made me laugh out loud, what did you not get from that after 5 fekin months!
Time will tell, But as a retired engineer I have seen far more well researched information on this subject than most, the pro's and cons - and for me, at this time and with the current offerings, lack of infrastructure, overall cost, and poor design of electric vehicles I'll stick with the car for long journeys, the motor cycle, push bikes & shank's pony (as well as using my OAP bus pass) for all other journeys. At the end of the day it's about disposable income, most folk don't have enough to buy EVs.
34 years engineer here and I agree in concept. I own 1 PHEV (Volt actually) and I can't find enough working charging in the past 5 years to "PLAY", EV. I drove 30k to 52k mi \yr on that car and over 100,000 per year across 4 cars & trucks plus a Good Wing motorcycle. I see a LOT and go to hundreds of gas stations and pass thousands of charge points. It's STILL Not NEARLY enough! Tesla, MAYBE and they front have enough for me to depend on our far enough of main interstates.
All these other charging companies are a 75% downtime\creeping slow garbage like of an unusable mess. Never in my life have I gone to a great station that was down and had the pumps at the one across the street have the same non working problem making nearest gas be 50 miles away, unless power was out aha I've seen that overcome. Generators can run a pump or manual pumping is possible. Not true for 40 Amps @ 240V or 250kW at a Supercharger.
leasing, though, is affordable. Well, more affordable than buying one outright, and the price difference per km is so big it's much the same as paying off an ICE car loan.
@@thekaxmax in my country leasing has a big influence on your financial possibilities. Because that monthly payment they distract from what you can get for a mortgage... that's why people don't like leasing in this hot housing market it can destroy your chances to own a house.
From my perspetive the entire EV industry is still in the experimental/R&D phase, there are some promising developements but untill the Battery Technology has been sorted it will take a while before it becomes accepted by all.
@@cayminlast yes, that's what we're going through. But acceptance and upgrading is happening. And new battery tech will be trivial to implement in older cars, all you need to do is match the casing shape and mounts, amps, and voltage, plus a software upgrade for the controller and sensors.
I own an EV, have solar panels and heat pumps. These technologies are much better than their fossil fuel equivalents. However, we also need to recognise they still have huge environmental footprints. Private EV ownership is much worse for the environment than walking, cycling and public transport. We should be able to hold both these ideas in our heads at once rather than resorting to the EVs are good or bad binary.
It's the hidden cost of any large private vehicle, EV or ICE. My fear has been EV usage papering over unsustainable suburban lifestyles and low density sprawling developments.
Well said 👏
Ever decreasing environmental footprints.
We will not go back to living in caves.
EV batteries are getting more & more environmentally friendly and in 20 years when we can start recycling some car batteries they will become incredibly green.
The majority of people on this planet will never be able to afford those upgrades, either for their house or their car. Or at least get into heavy debt. Or they need a practical vehicle for work with a certain range and storage room - none of which can be done on foot. That is the reality so many keep ignoring and the main reaons why most people are still against buying an EV. Putting out comments implying "My life is great with my 50K-80K investment in new tech, everyone else not doing the same is just being difficult or doesn't want to save the planet" is just confirming those opinions. It's not hard to understand that you will not convince people to invest their life savings into something they don't need.
@@caleidoo such a non educated reply. It doesn't cost that much to be efficient.
As a EV owner if the ceo had asked the audience to stand if they were happy with the charging infrastructure I wonder how many would have stood 🤔
Probably just the Tesla owners (at least in the US).
80 percent. That being representative of the charging infrastructure at home.
Well all the Tesla owners would & some others who now use Teslas Super Chargers too, it’s all good 😊
@@jaffahassan4720 Don't forget those who just use them for city driving and only charge at home. That's why some are happy buying a cheap early Leaf with a 30 mile range.
No one happy about that. I also bet no one was happy about the petrol/diesel infrastructure when petrol/diesel cars come along. It will get done and people will find ways to cope whilst the infrastructure catches up.
The only problem hardly solvable is that, as demonstrated during the stand up part, this show can't pierce the audience bubble . Everyone that whatches the fully charged show already agrees with it, so it's very hard that it manages to convince new people to buy EVs
Tesla is already outselling every other car manufacturer in the EV market and is the 2nd biggest selling car manufacturer in the world overall.
The predictions are it will be the biggest overall, and by overall that includes ICE vehicles, by 2024.
The cheapest Tesla’s, at around $25k us, will be coming out of China by the end of 2024 and that will be the nail in the coffin for ICE vehicles.
Cyber truck preorders are at 2 million+ and rising.
In spite of the blatant misinformation from the fossil fuel industry the adoption and sales of EV’s will continue to climb and the misinformation will get worse.
And the misinformation is all shit.
I'd love for EVs to be better and cheaper than ICE vehicles. For me , currently they're not. That's the reality that needs to change for me to consider an EV.
It's all really around the batteries, charging and cost. If it was just down to the electric-motor versus IC-engine, then we'd have all been driving EVs decades ago. electric motors are much simpler , more reliable, no need for clutches or multi ratio gearboxes, along with much simpler lubrication and cooling.
Trains are predominantly electric, but they get their power via over head lines, or track based pickup, and don't require batteries and charging. In trains IC-engines are only used where the government has been too lazy or tight to electrify the lines. That has needed fixing for decades.
@@karlosh9286 they are better and getting cheaper.
@@SteveRomigsongwriterI guess they're getting better and cheaper, but they're not better, more convenient or cheaper than ICE cars yet. When they are, then if I can afford one, I'll probably get one.
You are so right. EV's spread best by mouth by mouth and real life experience. Not by some forced show like this. Psychology says that people even though you are right don't like to get forced with it.
That stand up if piece was pointless, a captive audience, it’s like asking the audience at the Tory party conference if they will vote Tory.
So you shouldn’t be asking EV owners if they would buy another EV as their next car? Who should you be asking then?
My MG5 Taxi is at 116000 fault free miles so far. My brake pads are not even 1/2 worn! Yes I have had to replace tyres but no quicker than I would expect to replace the tyres on an equally powerful fossil car. In total my vehicle has ises 2 liters of brake fluid (a pointless service requirement) and 1 liter of greabox / diferential oil (essential for long life). That is it. Oh and 2 headlight and 2 number plate lights and a quantity of screen wash. By 130,000 miles it will have saved me the cost of the vehicle in fuel savings alone. No drop in range visable yet nor performance.
If they stop refining crude oil for diesel and petrol, where will your transmission get it's oil from?
Nicer to drive too?
@@geoffhaylock6848 plant's of course, there already plant based lubricants on the market.
@@4literv6 Used to love the smell of Castrol R in the morning! Lubricants can be made from many things. Are you suggesting we have enough arable land to grow food for everyone and grow all our lubricants?
@@geoffhaylock6848 well if we stopped growing corn for ethanol and used that lane for solar we could power our grid.
So sure we can reuse some wasted crop space, or just do vertical indoor farming? 👍🏻
I will consider go electric if you can explain a few things to me.
1 - If I live in the 20th floor of a building of 40 with four flats per floor with no parking on the basement or a public park in the vicinity, just the street of a neighborhood made up of similar buildings all around, how do I charge?
2 - If i am going on a holiday driving on the road to some touristic site, along side hundreds or thousands of other cars and maybe 10 or 20 cars are already parked at a service station (as already has happened), what is the minimum acceptable time that I should wait for my turn?
3 - If my work implies being ready to go and drive at any moments notice 24/7 on journeys that exceed the battery's capacity and you have to keep to a tight schedule?
What will happen to the electric grill if the demand increases to the full need of 1.44 billion vehicles estimated to be in circulation today?
4 - If a fire starts because or despite of a battery or charger in an underground garage, and it leads to a thermal runaway reaction, would you be comfortable to live or work, or having your children in that building? Are you confident that the fire fighters are well equipped to cope with the situation?
I could go on, but I think these ones are enough. Don't you?
You have identified the major business opportunities associated with EVs. Problems = solutions that customers will pay for.
@@crtmojo2705 And Christmas comes once a year...
You need to just try one. I was skeptical, my wife bought an MG EV.
Its been flawless for 20k miles. Range is bob on and the driving experience is greatly improved
Yes you have to plan journeys better; but more infrastructure is coming online all the time.
@@neilanderson2374 Thanks, but no, thanks. This is my 3rd hybrid LPG car. The last one, I bought second hand and I made over 400.000 km on it no problems, and even sold it to someone else. Didn't go to scrap.
It's now fully respected that if you drive within the range of your home EV is very good. If you want to travel over your range it's a disaster.
Has House insurance cover increased with the rise in reported EVs spontaneously catching fire and burning down the house. EV car insurance is also going up.
& they make great fire starters
15 minute city. Car won't get you any further!
What is a "disaster" about going to the bathroom, grabbing a coffee and browsing 5min on my phone? 😂
It would be a disaster if I wouldn't go to the bathroom.
@@user-wt7ec1pb7u 19 times less likely than your petrol burner
Are you going to challenge Geoff buys cars to a driving challenge to prove ev are better than ice vehicles
Very hard to actually find discussions that host both sides of the issue. Funny how Not a Single EV caught fire in the Audience ? and they did not acknowledge that when EV's catch fire its typically pretty Fatal and UNSTOPABLE !
@@ImLivinSDit is difficult to stop. But hardly fatal. Thermal runaway takes a VERY long time to take hold. Between 0.5-1.5 hours. Meanwhile a combustion car can be completely engulfed in flames in under a minute.
As for the likelihood of a fire. Even insurance companies and safety regulators across the globe agree EV’s are some 20-60 times less likely to combust compared to an ICE.
USA: I have had a VWID4 for 2 years - it works great. We drive it daily - doing errands/going to work (50 miles/day), soccer practices, etc, etc. It couldn't be more simple - we charge every night and drive a fully charged car each day w/ no issue. VERY VERY RARELY (1%) - do we have a challenge w/ range which we can overcome in a variety of ways. (eg - public charging station, even Tesla's Charge Station, etc).
The take away after 2 years: EV's are CLEANER, EASIER, MORE ENJOYABLE TO DRIVE, BETTER ACCELERATION, & 99% of the time the range is not an issue. If you can have a 99% solution for ANYTHING - one should do it. We look forward to future improvements in range (eg Lucid 500 miles, etc).....like a computer, this EV battery technology will improve over time and become more & more affordable.
It's so strange that like you, most people would be fine with an BEV 99% of the time. But that 1% just puts them off so they don't try one and never know what they are missing.
Hope something comes along in battery tech soon. We seem to have hit bit of a lull. Model S is now 12 years old and very little has changed.
@@geoffhaylock6848 As someone that has owned 3 Model S vehicles (2013, 2015 and 2022), I have to disagree. The Model S may still look the same on the exterior, but "under the hood" there has been enormous improvements. For just one aspect, my 2013 Tesla went ~200 miles and my 2022 goes 405 miles on a charge. That combined with the Tesla super charger network means we now have a 100% solution.
@@geoffhaylock6848 You should ride a horse. They have more benefits that a car in 99% of the time. It recharges itself for free and doesn't have road taxes. A horse also won't catch fire and can off road in all terrain. You won't be needing those pesky blocked motorways anymore. Parking is of course free and you sitting on that horse is a big win for the girls out there! Buy a horse, the only 1% downside is, it doesn't go very fast.
@@FIGHTTHECABLE Where in hells name did you get the idea that riding a horse is cheap? Farriers fees alone would fix you right up!!! Nevermind stabling, grooming and feeding.
@@phillargus2757 That's all misinformation. You are just talking nonsense to stop people riding horses to work.
Horses don't need special shoes, they can wear slippers from Tesco and they eat plastic waste and rubble, which is not only totally free of charge, it's also good for the environment. Stop lying.
I never get into the environment debate with people. I tell them I bought an EV for the performance. It makes for a civilized discussion about the benefits of EV instead of arguing about which one is greener.
Good point
Exactly! Speaking from owning an Electric Vehicle in the United States, the first thing I steer the discussion toward is the cost savings that I've experienced in owning an Electric Vehicle. The excitement of instant torque that comes with it, the environment is the last thing I touch if at all because THAT is the touchy subject. Most of the time by choosing performance and cost savings that's how I've convinced others to give Electric a try.
@@SmolBiscuit 💯
- yes and that is the whole point, if it works for your use case and enjoyment, go for it.
Long term whichever solutions use the least input energy will win. FUD goes both ways.
Cost saving is to avoid if talking with folk who might not purchase high value new cars (for anyone with an annual 25-30k depreciation budget - the cost argument is moot) - the majority of purchasers of EVs still seem to be private (or salary sacrificing executives - price no object, nor barrier) affluent types - The average 3-5 year lease on a Tesla model 3 unlikely to cost less than my ICE (3 year) expense.
I simply say any environmental benefits are purely incidental as far I'm concerned. I bought it because it's so much cheaper to run than my last petrol car....
So I'm supposed to believe a bunch of blokes whose livelihood depends on selling electric vehicles? Oh, and also, they are in the entertainment industry; which has always told nothing but the truth without distortion.
Best to trust the billion dollar fossil fuel industry. They never lie.
As a very early adopter, I love my electric cars and motorcycles for my local commuting. They are perfect for 90% of my journeys. I have ventured further afar on many occasions over the years. What was a pleasure with FOC rapid chargers and very few EV’s on the road it was easy. As more and more cars come onto the market, the infrastructure has become overwhelmed. More than likely charge points are now either busy, blocked or broken. I have had to purchase a long distance fossil fuel car to keep my sanity in check and prevent high levels of stress in my life. Please do not deny or argue against this fact, I too wish it was a myth. Only Tesla drivers have some immunity through their supercharger network. Fully charged, please your efforts into lobbying to fix the UK’s broken charging infrastructure. BTW it’s all about location and management. Installing high power chargers in Village co-op car parks is ridiculous. They are rarely, if ever used and It just pisses off the villagers who loose a couple of valuable car parking slots.
When somebody says "Please do not argue against this fact" it means "My argument is completely anectodical and has no data to back it up". The Tesla Supercharger network is widespread and very reliable (96% are operational at any given time). Granted the other networks are less reliable (only 76-80%) and not as widespread. You say "They are perfect for 90% of my journeys". Well my Toyota Avalon is suitable for 90% of my needs but then I also need a truck for doing my occasional handyman gigs. Does that mean Toyota Avalons are no good? No, it means that one vehicle can't over all yours needs 100% of the time. Why is this OK for ICE cars but not for EVs. Granted the charging network in the UK may be shit, that is a UK-specific problem. It's pretty robust here in the US. Finally, even though the chargers may all be busy, the people there are not all charging from 0-100% taking 60-90 minutes. Many are only charging for 5-15 minutes so chargers will continually be becoming available. When I pull into highway service areas I typically have to wait 10-20 minutes just to get to the gas pump (though every time I stopped to charge my Tesla there has always been open chargers). We'll have to see what happens what happens when the Supercharger networks is open to all EVs.
Widze ze pasuje ci spadek wartosci twojego samochodu o 40+% po pierwszym roku uzytkowania. Za chwile nie bedziesz mogl parkowac w garazach podziemnych ani uzywac promow w swoich podruzach, ale to nic dla fana samochodow na baterie.
Whenever my conservative family members complain about high gasoline prices I always remind them that we have an opportunity to give up gasoline and ignore the expense and uncertainty of a global oil market that's being manipulated by organizations who purposely drive up prices only to enrich themselves, and make us reliant on them through economic blackmail.
Touch’e you know it makes sense it’s all good😊
Not to mention the wars they create in the middle east resulting in waves of refugees.
Exactly this
And the power companies are immune to such character flaws as greed? Once a majority of the fleet is electric you don't think they will hold people hostage?
@@kellyklingbeil5802yes, but I have enough solar on my roof to cover my needs and charge my car. A huge hedge against runaway electricity prices while is not possible to hedge against oil prices. (And yes, I’m privileged in owning a house with a suitable roof, but I could equally invest in a community microgrid)
I was told this year that EVs are great around town but you can’t go further afield.
I told him I drove to Hamburg for a weekend, did 10 days holiday driving around Norway.
Not sure how much further around town I’d have to go.
Norway is a lovely country. They have taken to EV's like a duck to water.
Rural France, another place I like to go, not so good for EV's.
Depends where you live. Can we assume its not on the northern outskirts of Humburg?
Yes, apparently they're only suitable for going to the local shops. I wanted to buy a gift for my daughter from a "local shop", except the shop was in Switzerland. We're in the middle of the UK.
I wish I had been told that this wasn't possible before we set off. Silly me! :)
@@geoffhaylock6848 Norway taxes new cars in such a way that EVs are way cheaper than ICE cars. There’s a video on YT explaining why.
@@JakobusVdL lol, correct. :) I lived in Eastbourne, UK at the time.
You now need to talk about insurance companies, they are raising the premiums to crazy costs, some are refusing to now insure EV cars
Somebody in my family just Got Lyriq, and the insurance jumped up another extra $1000 / 6 months from their 2 year old Cadillac XT5. It's not safe, it's not brand because they are both basically new Cadillacs. There's nothing left but the EV-ness and maybe construction. They are an 80 year old could BTW so no it's not age either.
Insurance companies raise rates when claims go up. When you have to replace a battery after a fender bender and the battery costs 25-50k, the only consequence you can expect is that your insurance goes up.
Insurers realise that an EV battery fire may not only write off your car but your house aswell or destroy a multi story car park.
Insurance companies base their costs on risk.
In response to the first few comments in agreeance insurance is based on risk so keep in mind that there are absolutely atrocious resale values for EV cars now The risk that insurance is worried about is partially writing off a car for being damaged they're extremely expensive pretty fragile if they're hit in terms of electronics and wiring and keep in mind that the decision to write off a car is based on the cost to fix it versus what it's worth if the resale value is incredibly low very soon after you buy it like weeks after than anything that damages it cost way more than what you're going to get for the car at wholesale than they won't pay to fix it because if you don't want it they don't want to have the car turned over to them for scrap and they got nothing that they can do anything with.
Unfortunately, with the extreme cold we’ve experienced in western Canada, electric vehicles are a liability. Almost every car I see abandoned on the side of a freeway is an electric car. The range in cold weather is reduced substantially. Also, wait times at charging stations are up to 4 hours because the cold weather severely increases charging time. Range anxiety is intensified in the frigid weather.
What a surprise that those people in the audience who can all afford a £30k+ car all charge at home. How will someone with on street parking or living in a block of flats charge an EV without paying more expensive tarrifs at public charging stations? Good video on the whole but still managed to miss out lots of other basic concerns people have. Is there a way to submit questions to be discussed next time?
I think we all agree the lack of exhaust gasses are perfect for city use, however practically and financially it is not a replacement for current cars. They should look at the whole user base and in particular the user with less financial means. EVs are alternatives but cannot be considered (at this moment) a complete replacement solution for all combustion vehicles. People tend to go for a one solution for everything while reality is much more complex (after all we do not use a passenger car to transport a container, and a truck to drop off kids at school, we don't use a small city car to get around in the countryside). What we want are real solutions and working alternatives, not an alternative only for the well off
@@patrickcardon1643 To be fair, I do use a small city car (15 y.o.) to get around in the countryside; not-infrequently doing 600+ miles in 2 days. I get about 60 mpg, on petrol. I find I get into the car, travel, and arrive at another place... ...exactly as I would in a larger car! Admittedly I have to wear earplugs and my body gets fair pummelled-about.
@@hunchanchoc8418 oh it's possible, just as you could drop off your kid with your truck ... just not optimised ;) You can do long distances with a small battery EV, you'll just take waaaaay more time to do it
@@patrickcardon1643 We're in agreement :-)
Charging can be set up anywhere that cars can park. In fact it'd be ideal to charge during the day when your personal vehicle is parked at work.
But even if that's not an option I'd wager the public charging stations are still cheaper than any gas station.
I keep seeing videos of burning EV's, some just parked, some in use, some being charged. They produce plenty of smoke when they burn.
Whoever invents the fire suppression chemical or system for EVs is gonna be a billionaire.
@@crtmojo2705 Google "EV Fire Cloak"
And yet road safety authorities and even insurance companies around the world agree that EV’s are 20-60 times less likely to combust than ICE. And if you crunch the numbers you find that EV fires are reported disproportionately around 200x more often than ICE fires. As in, if you every car fire, regardless of drive type, had an equal chance of being reported. You’d see 200 headlines about an ICE car fire for every 1 headline of an EV car fire.
The problem being that EV car fire news, sells headlines, and gets clicks. Ice car fires don’t. Nobody cares unless someone famous dies .
They don't address the real show-stopping issue, which is that mining industry analysts say that there is nothing like enough rare earth metal supplies coming on stream to meet the demand for even the advanced countries to transition to EVs. No amount of magical thinking will overcome this. We should be focusing on alternative green technologies if we really want to stop burning stuff.
I don't think this will be a problem. Rare earth metals aren't really that rare, an in each case where there could be shortages, alternatives exist. The most common rare earth shortage argument I've seen in the past is for the permanent magnet motors, but A/C induction motors are an alternative that have already been used on a lot of different EVs. Pretty much all shortages will be addressed by either switching to alternatives or increased mineral extraction. The industry will adapt as needed.
Oh, they want to stop burning stuff, maybe they should start by stopping the burning of EVs, LI batteries, garages, houses, car parks, rows of buses, ferries, eBikes, eScooters.
What an unfortunate choice of mantra....could not agree more.
My 10 year old Zoé is going strong, 80k 92% Battery,and hasn't caught fire 🔥 yet.
Hmmm. My two year old Zoe also has 92% battery.
@@mbak7801 maybe the BMS is a bit sticky, I'm 5,months new to EVs inherited from family.
9 year old Leaf 107,000 km 90% Battery original brakes 3rd set of tyres and wipers and 2 cabin air filters thats it ! oh and no fires.
Hmm@@mbak7801my 3 year ZE50 also has 92% SoH at 29k miles!
Same thing with my 2014 Zoe!
The irony is this video is aimed at myth busting but the some will still post those same mistruths in the comments without bothering to watch the video
Deffo.... They need to jump to 15:00 where the facts start
No.
The entire show was quite slick, without doubt, however being slick, in the same way as Trump rally, does not mean it's all true.
@@t1n4444 What in the video in particular was not true? Please show your sources.
@@t1n4444 apart from, well facts, given from people actually running fleets of EV's.....
@@RoonMian
Seriously? You swallowed it whole.
That type of presentation is what is known as greenwashing.
Of you believed that stuff then good for you.
I objected to the glib comment that batteries cars are "green" yet no mention of how much green energy was used for charging or indeed how much fossil fuel.
Rishi has signed off on Rosebank exploitation so UK will see some of the output.
Who can say then how clean the energy is, or will be, for charging EVs?
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An eminent professor recently stated that “our world does not have enough earth to dig for lithium”
One ton of suitable lithium requires mining and processing as much as 500 tons of earth.
How much does these processes cost in terms of money and more importantly, environmental
damage in so many ways? Not sustainable, Not acknowledged, Not acceptable.
There’s also brine extraction and the closed system of recycling. If they can maintain the lithium within the system, less is required for mining.
Let’s not forget how we get oil out of the ground with drilling and fracking and military might.
There will be kick back when people are pressured into something they don’t feel ready to try. Expense in these times, lack of infrastructure is a joke, government pressure is inappropriate and giving the impression of being corrupt.
You can buy a brand new petrol /diesel car until 2035 (UK/Europe) and second hand after that, so the 'pressure' is being manufactured (more later about this) as objectively this is just a newer better option on the market. The infrastructure which gets so much headline isn't perfect bar arguably Tesla (but improving every week) but if you can charge at home and you need to at this point to make it viable, then for 90% of people it really isn't a problem as you will only use it 10% of the time. The expense now there are 2020 models pre owned at 10k (circa 200 mile range) less of an issue and this will only get better, but the real pressure a a consumer should be the air you breathe. Staggering really we been douped for so long that it's 'safe' given its a method of suicide in an enclosed space. The corruption is there, yes, but ironically it's the fossil fuel industry and parts of the automotive industry using think tanks and lobbying groups to influence government's that have been funding that... there is no dirty money flowing from the clean side as its not needed and the reason we are having this conversation. In a normal situation this is like switching from a dumb phone to a smart phone... but largely unlike that transition it didn't take money away from one very rich industry. This is the source of the pushback they are trying to transfer to consumers as they really don't like losing money. This gets repeated in the media daily in a desperate attempt to stop the transition, but thankfully it will fall because of ironically cost (it is cheaper and will only get cheaper still) and just a better product.
This already happens with heat pumps. In a few countries people are paying 2-3x for heating their homes now than before when they had NG furnaces.
@@unacceptablepiotr9976This can happen but only when incorrectly installed or installed in properties unsuitable for said. Otherwise they are usually a little cheaper. Have Air to air heatpump myself which is cheaper than running gas central heating but is a hell of lot easier to install than air to water... hense the issue plus the UK grant giving the false impression that going electric is only air to water.
Don't feel ready to try? Solution? Education. Besides, that pressure is subjective.
Infrastructure currently provides more chargers per EV than there are petrol pumps per ICE vehicle. And that's not including home charging.
I had someone recently tell me that they wouldn't get an electric car until an electric minivan got 600km/charge and fully recharged in 7 minutes. The goalposts are on a rocket sled zipping across the salt flats.
There’s a car company that can change the hole battery for a new one for about that time . But range is still not there yet
Ironically, they'll probably not have to wait more than 10 years to get their wish.... Some EVs are already up in the 400km/charge range, and the 800v ones (like the Hyundai Ionic 5) can already charge to ~80% in a little over 10 minutes... New battery tech + high voltage architecture + ultrafast chargers will likely bring that 600km/7 minute "dream" to reality.
And he has bottles in his van full of pee.
my car will already do more than 600km
It does make me wonder how these people would have coped in the days when we all used horses?
What difference does it make if the Westminster government is moving the goalposts if local authorities like TFL are pushing for a ban on combustion engine vehicles by 2030? With European cities such as Paris (most major French cities in fact), Barcelona and Amsterdam following suite, surely the possibility of being banned from most major cities is enough to put people off buying a combustion engine vehicle in the next few years.
They will just have to feel it when time comes. Then people won't want to buy those cars 2nd hand cars anymore and the idiots that bought them ICE cars, will have to sell them with a value loss. I'm okay with people buying ice cars, I don't need to support them in their financial decissions. 😊
I guess it is the try to prevent delays. And that is important, there is no time to loose. Propaganda against a brighter should be prevented at nearly all cost. I think this campaign is good! But I want to mention that this campaign should be hold with normal people who do not own EVs and PVs etc...
...brighter future....
The UK produces 1% of global carbon. If you took every single rehicle off the road - and the UK sank beneath the waves, it would make a miniscule difference to climate change... ;)
@@richardkingadi5511what matters is the lack of climate change leadership that it shows, from one of the major economy in the world.
Very interesting. I think the pace of introduction and government dictat are the issues. The EV as an option is fine. I am also minded that Quentin Wilson told his audience at a Jaguar dealership launch at Park Royal, NW10 that the future for cars is hydrogen power and not electric.
@superchargedxjr I confess that I was hopeful for hydrogen until very recently too. I don't think you can knock a man who will go with the evidence when it is presented to him though. For many years I was happy to go with popular opinion on these things until I realised how blatantly wrong public opinion sometimes is. Now, if it matters, I dig deeper and find credible, trusted and corroborated sources with evidence before I leap onto the nearest bandwagon. I cannot believe that people (especially big business with profits at stake) can lie so openly without finding themselves in criminal proceedings.
Depends who is paying him LOL
hydrogen's not efficient enough unless it's a fuel cell. And those have a way to go at the moment, and refuelling a bugger.
Its also storing hydrogen as it takes a lot of electricity to cool it.@@thekaxmax
@@thekaxmaxexactly. Once we have enough electrical energy sources; we can make hydrogen cheaper and sell it at a reasonable price. We may have to bring back full service stations with trained techs for refueling. I see people smoke and use their phones at the gas stations too often.
Room full of well healed folk preaching EVs. Audience with lots of folk who can afford an EV an obviously have homes where they can charge at home. 'White noise' was the term used at the beginning. Apt.
Talk about preaching to the converted. They should do the same show with an exclusive audience of petrol heads. By the way our “toxic” relationship with fossil fuels, as Llewelyn called it, propelled us through the industrial revolution to where we are now. Without that progress we’d still be gathering firewood for cooking and hardly ever venturing outside our villages.
Our Miele electric heat pump dryer plugs into standard outlet and uses less the 900 watts while operating. No hole in our house for exhaust.
Learn something new everyday. Thanks!
Why are Americans so behind in this kind of stuff. Condenser and heat pump dryers have been in use the world over for 10+yrs. Inverter AC compressors 20yrs in Asia-pacific, yet only becoming a thing in the US recently!
@@lukeclifton4392Americans can get dug in on an idea. Despite the facts. And their news sources aren’t very trustworthy.
happy with my 5kw 0.5L/hr red diesel burner. 90p/L
Nearly all the audience drive an electric car amazing .
Nearly all the audience are sheep and naively believing that their choice of transport is the future!
Because the audience aren't morons and realize that electric cars are 1) better than ICE cars 2) aren't dedicated to signalling to people around them that they're Trump fans.
I suppose all those poor people in the audience are there for the free drinks and food...
... or to shout hallelujah after each EV catchphrase.
Sounds so rosy! So why then has John lewis insurance had a moratorium on electric car cover? also why has the cost of insurance for electric cars skyrocketed?
Not to mention (which they didn’t) that the price to charge an EV has gone up - now no cheaper than filling up at the petrol station.
Hhmmm - what about the 40% of people on average income living in flats who cannot charge at home? Public charging is frankly not cutting in terms on availablity or cost, especially on the motorways.
Poor people can catch the bus.
If my boss would add some at work; I would gladly pay to charge. 8 hours. Low level. Easy on the batteries. I’m there 5 days a week. Just waiting on the businesses to catch up.
Anywhere you spend 30 mins or more is great place to charge.
I've been the proud owner of a Hyundai Kona EV for a delightful 16 months now, and I must say, I'm never looking back at traditional internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. Each morning, I kick-start my day with a full charge, which sets me back a mere $1.5 to $3 when I charge it at home, and even better, it's absolutely free at my workplace. With nearly 25,000 kilometers logged on the odometer, my Kona has been a model of reliability, requiring only the scheduled maintenance checks.
The first scheduled maintenance, which came due at 14,000 kilometers, cost me a modest $88. The second, at 24,000 kilometers, was slightly pricier at $350. But what a difference from the days of regular oil changes and the constant mental gymnastics of timing my gas purchases with the ever-fluctuating fuel prices. Gone are the days of the pervasive gas smell and the constant upselling attempts at gas stations, when all I really wanted was to pay for fuel.
That being said, I do acknowledge that electric vehicles may not be suitable for everyone and every situation. However, if the opportunity arises for you to make the switch to an EV, I wholeheartedly endorse it as one of the most rewarding decisions you can make. It's an experience that's truly transformed my perspective on driving and vehicle ownership.
Your cheap charging will not last, governments who will be losing millions from tax on fuel for ice vehicles will find a way to get that back,
Realize that car is still a baby at that mileage
Good for you. I'll buy an EV when there is no other choice.
Good to know that your employer pays for your fuel. Not many here work for a company that does that.
I also drive a Kona EV. I am averaging 4.3 miles/kWh. I will never go back to gas.
I got a 16kW solar system - soon to be 20kW, but there's no way I'm buying an electric car. You can talk all you want, but replacing the battery on, say, a 2nd hand ecar is insanely costly compared to just buying a 2nd hand gasoline car that'll run for 15-20 years with just oil changes.
Not really (Hyundai and Kia are exceptions).
Ref: Electric Car Battery Replacement Costs
This needs to be widely spread, that ~"the (ev) car pays back it's carbon debt in 12-17 months and then, after that, it's in a huge credit..." and "~if you took all the alternative energy CO2 emissions (batteries, wind, solar, etc) over 30 years it would only equal 6 months of Oil emissions..."
Though as I understand it: That does depend upon where you live. If you're in a US state where most of the electricity is generated from coal. And you tend to make longer journeys. Then it is possible that an electric vehicle is no greener than a combustion vehicle.
The average EV world wide breaks even around the 8yr mark, the general battery replacement timeframe is 10yrs…. Bringing in a huge CO2 input again from the battery replacement. Wind turbines have a lifespan of 15yrs (non recyclable), solar 10yrs…. But that really doesn’t matter because most of the world are charging at night when those renewables are operating.
I crunched the numbers once and I worked it out somewhere around 20000 miles or so I can't remember exactly. All EVs will produce less co2 over their lifespan Vs any petrol or diesel. Some better some worse, also true of ice. I think it's important to remember that co2 isn't the only thing that matters with EVs too. Local air pollution for me is way more important.
The problem is that only the wealthy can afford new cars
@@andybrice2711 Define "Greener" does it include brake dust, clutch dust , cam/alternator drive belt particulates, fuel / lubricant leaks ?
The biggest shame is that the people that NEED to watch this video, won’t.
And the people who watch these videos couldn't explain thermal runaway, when you realise there's bad actors on both sides, you find this channel is just as bad as the Fleet st rags.
Don't worry. These luddites will see enough Teslas on the road. More cars Tesla sells, the, more cars Tesla will sell.
That's because many of them are signed up members of the " don't bother me with the facts, because I've made my mind up" club......
@@korsweI like that one. 🚗😎
@@korswe
Really?
You type as if understand the situation, which you clearly don't.
Stop Burning Stuff. Good slogan. Please tell that to the owner of the diesel hybrid Range Rover that destroyed the Luton Airport car park recently. The video appeared to show that the lithium battery under the floor had self ignited and caused the conflagration.
Lots of talks about how 'green' electric cars are or wind or solar. However that's 100% the wrong point. These technologies are way way more expensive than gas cars, trucks or natural gas power plants. Economies of scale will not be enough to get costs down. Cheap energy is the key to a powerful economy, not GREEN stuff....... it's CHEAP stuff.
A very biased viewpoint, i thought this would be a two sided debate, it was quite the opposite
It's easy to communicate to an audience of similarly agenda driven individuals, churches do it every week .... just because a room full of like minded people agree ... doesn't make it true
The cars may be easy and nice to drive, they may have zero tailpipe emissions
Bottom line is
The initial cost is prohibitive to most of the nation
Energy prices are fearful
The infrastructure is extremely poor at best
I feel like I've been listening to a politician putting an opposition position down ...
I'm thankful that by the time this becomes law, my driving days will be over and I will always have the choice of ICE or EV
37.000km on the original tires on my Hyundai Ioniq5. If you constantly launch in Tesla Ludicrous mode you eat through the tires like candy. But if you drive normally... the tires are just fine.
Mates M3 , just 10km before needing tyres
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@@pauleedeehimself8489 he’s a led foot .
Model s tyres you are lucky to get 15k on them
Like anything. It's how you drive@@MrBigbangbuzz
@@trevorshields7347 mates mode 3 dual motor he’s in his 4 set of tires at 55k km
Wait until there is a massive power cut, there will be rows of flat electric cars!!How Will an electric car face a 4 hour traffic jam on a motorway?
An electric car sitting in a 4 hour traffic jam on a motorway will use will use zero power because the drive motor is not operating.
On how exactly are you going to put fuel in your car if there's a power cut?
@@mikeypc3592 My car is fully charged, or well enough at 80%, from the get go when there's a power outage. If there's a power outage my gas burning furnace doesn't work at all.
One fact is the amount of evs sitting in paddocks around the world no one wants, what will be the impact on the environment will these car's make with there battery's, and the loss of resale to the customer
But can you tell us exactly where these paddocks full of EV's that nobody wants, actually are?
You've missed the point on EV fires. The issue is not how regularly EVs catch fire. It's what happens when they do. ICE cars may catch fire as often or more often than EVs, depending on what region's stats you're looking at, but when an ICE car catches fire, fire fighters can do something to contain and suppress the fire. For EVs in many places around the world, the answer is let it burn itself out. There are a few techniques developed in recent years to either limit collateral damage from EV fires or even to put them out even with a battery in thermal runaway, but most fire departments just don't have the equipment and training to deal with EV fires today and if they happen in an enclosed space alongside other EVs, like in a car park, on a ferry or on a container ship, the results can be rather catastrophic. This is a situation that will get better with time. As more EVs roll out, there will be more and more justification for fire departments to invest in this kind of equipment and so they will. But suggesting that there's no issue because ICE cars catch fire more often is completely missing the point.
I am curious to learn more about your embodied carbon numbers. I don't see evangelizing EVs as a solution to climate change as a good idea, though - even if your numbers are good. I drive an EV. I really enjoy driving my EV. There are lots of good reasons to drive an EV aside from them being great to drive, even some environmental ones but solving climate change just isn't one of them. Look at how much carbon emission comes from small passenger vehicles. It's something like 8% of total emissions. Even if we replaced every car on the road tomorrow with an EV, the most you can possibly do is remove those 8% or so of emissions. Touting EVs as any kind of a solution to climate change seems to be mostly taking the focus off of much more important areas in energy generation and industrial processes.
Not having an opsition in this debate is a like having no debate at all.
As much as I agree the media blow EV issues way out of proportion, it's pretty disingenuous when the supposed 'truth' is coming from a obviously biased source with a vested interest in making EVs look good. The actual 'truth' is somewhere in between.
There's no way these 3 would ever risk that.
It was a panel discussion, not a debate.
It's propaganda - they don't do conservation - the market will decide - if the politicians etc and the WEF let them
Have at it. What's your best 'argument'? Lay it out.
Irrespective of the circumstances, if you lease an EV you should be fine. If you buy an EV, undoubtedly you will loose a huge chunk of your money.
Nothing will get round the fact.
The UK grid can't handle electric utopia. It's a poor technology to replace ICE, it's just moving the pollution from the exhaust pipe to the power station. How do you think the government will replace the lost fuel duty? EV's and Hybrids are a fire hazard, smoke from some types of batteries is extremely toxic and storage of accident damaged vehicles is horrendously expensive, EV's aren't a solution to environmental issues, we can do better. In a few years they will be seen for the disastrous mistake that they are.
The companies providing these services are still fully entitled to reach their goals at the earlier deadline. We don't need to throw out our own principles becasue somebody else does
I rented a Polestar 2 in May and drove from Stansted Airport to Kent and the charging options were surprisingly poor; and I live in Ireland where charging is garbage. I'm very pro-EV but I genuinely don't think charging infrastructure problems can be dismissed; Kent isn't exactly the Gobi desert.
Private sector needs to do more. In Thailand the retailers/landlords put ev chargers in their parking lots to get people to their malls/stores. Government isn't going to flood the streets with them.
they do specify in the talk that the infrastructure, as a whole, is there. If your local council isn't keeping up, tell them to do so.
Pray tell … why didn’t you buy a Tesla ? 🤦♂️
@@maxflight777 build quality and owner.
This is not an independent review, my own personal experience and research was totally different from this industry driven audience and panel. EV ard dead
Went electric spent twice as much as a ice car, problem is it's battery has lost 15 to 20% and charging away from home is more expensive than my diesel car to run, no way to refurbish battery in this country, so I'll not be getting another electric car until battery problem is solved
What do you think you are using to charge your ev car? Electricity, mainly from the grid which is fossil fuel derived.
Has anybody also discussed how after 10 years your batteries are recycled?
An EV car has a greater carbon footprint than a combustion engine vehicle....fact.
How, after ten years when your batteries have lost their power, do you replace them? Send your car in for a service and they replace the batteries or do you just buy a new car?
Furthermore, the second hand market for cars will eventually disappear as very few people will want to buy a second hand EV vehicle as you may find that the lifespan left on the batteries is 2 years.
Jeez people wake up
The worse thing is when a well respected educated public figure repeats and try to push disinformation on others
We've been here before. It's just that everyone is dead who would have remembered, "Get a horse!"
I think the powers that be must think the majority of us are stupid. EVs are miles away from being a serious alternative to petrol and diesel. They have their own agenda which inevitable isn't ours.
The solution: build a state of the art public transport system, have
thousands of free electric taxis on the roads, this will take millions
of cars off the road, our carbon foot print would reduce dramatically.
Amazing that no one has thought of this!
@DrMontague at tax payers expense !
Why this country wastes money on carbon associated issues when China, Russia, India, Brazil etc don't bother. We are a pin prick on the global map, why make uk citizens suffer this pathetic green tax.
The aforementioned countries must be laughing their heads off at our pathetic liberal government.
Labour ironically would be ten times worse.
@@DrMontague Sure they have. Watch the movie Soylent Green. That's the goal with this BS. How many active volcanoes are on this planet? How much emissions do they produce?
Having had a pure Electric car for three years I have changed to a plug in hybrid because I learned the hard way about the lack of reliable charging infrastructure, the greatly over stated milage possibilities and exaggerated financial benifits. Electric cars are a part but only a part of the solution due to a lack of both generation and distribution capacity.
Traitor! But seriously, Have you tried a Tesla lately? For the most part, they have solved the charging problem. Also, you can plug your car in at night for that full-tank feeling every morning.
@@surferdude4487
Yes a daughter has a new Model Y company car . I do not like the appearance nor the touch screen for everything and as an engineer nor am I impressed with the build quality. Tesla’s
In my opinion are light years behind my Lexus NX 450 F Sport but I concede that in England (not Scotland) their charging infrastructure is vastly superior.
I suspect the Biden plan to fund charging stations is gumming up the works. Since its inception, it has built no charging stations and has probably discouraged or delayed private investment in charging.
Teslas are crap. That is the verdict of the UK not for profit Consumers Association.@@MrWolseley1660
I wish the UK Government had required all house builders to put in EV chargers for all new-build houses, and communal chargers for flats and apartments from YEARS ago. These things would cost peanuts for builders. I also think that they could have required all new-build houses to have solar panels (except where not permitted e.g. conservation areas), from years ago. Again, a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to build in than to retro-fit. Some neighbours put in a car charger even though they didn't have an EV, and that helped them to sell their house quickly. It's a no-brainer.
When I returned to Australia in 2019, I wanted to do my best to reduce emissions from our home and personal transport. I had a 200 km round trip to drive to work and public transport was not available. There was little guidance at the time, but I did some basic math, took a big swallow, and bought 40 solar panels, a 10kW home battery and a Tesla Model 3. The initial cost was high - $25,000 for the home system and $70,000 for the car. Four years later after 130,000 km in the (mainly) solar-charged EV and a house with aircon, ovens and a pool, my energy costs have been almost zero (mainly connection fee for the grid). I was skeptical and nervous about the original decisions but now it’s a complete no brainer. I fully understand that I am privileged in owning a home with enough roof space for solar, a suitable climate, and enough money to buy a Tesla. But I am far from being alone. If you own a home in 2023 and have no solar and a Range Rover (or two) in the drive, you are actually being a dickhead.
Not neccessary, some people can't do this in the UK because they live in a conservation area, so the law prevents them from putting in solar on the roof or even replacing windows with double glazing in some cases.
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@@DavidKnowles0
That's the overall problem.
Some will have the money to spend but a renter will never be allowed to do this ever.
@@DavidKnowles0 Fair true comment and you raise an important issue. The present rules are all backwards when you can’t upgrade, insulate or add solar because it's a ‘conservation' area. If we carry on with that attitude there will be nothing left to conserve!
I'm glad that you understand you are privileged, and if I were in your position I would do the same - it's a no-brainer; good on ya. Now if only the govt or someone would give me $100,000 I too could reduce my energy bills to near-zero. If the Fed would just print the dollar bills (like they do anyway) and hand them out, *everybody* could do the same. But the laughable irony is, after all that, the climate would still keep changing.
How you know it's not America: They had a 'lively debate" with a police officer that didn't end up with shots fired.
I will never drive an electric car
Will never be able to afford one that's a scary prospect for me
Ok, so less likely to catch fire compared to ice cars, but when they do catch fire they are very difficult to put out due to thermal runaway!
Right, and what is being done about the other 95% of carbon dioxide emissions?
Only 5% of carbon dioxide emissions are from Ice cars. 95% from agriculture, construction, industry, etc etc etc.
Keep in mind that converting ice Cars to Evs doesn't completely eliminate the carbon dioxide emissions, just reduces it.
I'm all for the adoption of EVs, and it's a very worthwhile thing to do, but I do wish people would spend a whole lot more time thinking of all of the other sources of CO2.
The number of coal-fired power plants in Germany (part of how they made up for a lack of Russian natural gas) would be a good place to start.
Spot on!
These 2 well know guys lovely guys just need to think about the mass of working class. I am an EV owner love it to bits. It has to go as long journeys are too stressful. 9 hour travel journey added 5 hours and 40 minutes to my 9 hour journey. It's unfortunate too often . So going back to diesel car now.
Don’t blame you sir 🚘
It's going to be like this for sone time..we are still in the birth period of EV.. EV only suits people who are wealthy enough to afford to buy EV.. Not much second-hand market available.. These are often old tech bad EVs. Once we are further up the life cycle of the EV things will be better.
Evie's in China coming now with 10min charge time .. But today will be expensive in Europe and the infrastructure is not there for charging as many say.. There's not even such thing as a 500 kilowatt charger in europe for cars... And new tech like this is always expensive like I say it's just going to take time
Shame but many people saying the same. How many long trips do we actually do a year ? France has far more EV charge stations.
them well paid guys are Paid to push the garbage of lies over EV saving the planet..
@@RB-lt8kt What has the number of long journeys got to do with anything? If you have an EV and you need to do a long journey, you are knackered.
To the question about why do journalists not check....in mainstream media we have very very few journalists left...reporters are abundant.
The figures on car numbers quoted is nothing in comparison go by the number of ICE cars on the road when doing a true comparison of fires in cars go by %.
Having driven EVs, and owning a Chevy Volt PHEV, I will never purchase another ICE vehicle again. I save hundreds of dollars a month on fuel and vehicle maintenance cost.
I made a 4800-mile trip in a Rivian R1T from Texas to Vancouver, BC for the Fully Charged Live Canada show. I have two very minor public charging issues that took 5 mins each to resolve. I got to meet Robert again while I was there and explained it was 2000 miles to get to Vancouver from Amarillo, Texas. It can be done without a worry.
Keep the faith it’s all good 😊
Exactly how long did it take you in this $90,000+ (for the basic with max battery pack) vehicle of the people 😂
Drove from Amarillo to Portland in two days. Drove about 10 hrs each day. Then Portland to Vancouver in 6 hours. Surprising that those that have no clue don't get that these things are possible. And without much time for charging. Hotels and AirBnB had slow chargers so I woke up in the morning with 100%. And my $90k truck falls just in line with a top of the line Ford F150 that requires gasoline or diesel. @@clusterm2
We took our friends Tesla from Miami to Atlanta. What should have been a 9 hour trip. It took 17 hours of anxiety. It was horrible.
Very lucky
As an engineer of some 50 years standing I absolutely despair of organisation such as this who have carried out no in depth research and have no knowledge of the real life time cycle global warming consequences of electrification nor the environmental destruction caused by mining activities. This organisation lives in cloud cuckoo land. Martyn L
Well well Martyn L, have you had any in depth knowledge of real life time cycle global warming consequences of burning literally billions of barrels of liquid hydrocarbons every year. Oh no, you've never even considered it like millions of others because we all grew up in a world where burning toxic, finite liquid fuel has been normal.
That fuel requires a massive, global infrastructure of massive energy consumption and unspeakable environmental damage going back 120 years. But don't concern yourself with that, be clever with your 50 years of incredible insights into the world of engineering.
Show me one litre, just one, of recycled diesel or petrol and I'll change my mind.
Can we and are we recycling 99% of the material in batteries?
Yes we are, now, today.
Is there any environmental destruction caused by extracting oil and gas, transporting it, storing it, refining it and burning it once? Is there.
No, absolutely not, there is zero impact, nothing to see there.
You clearly work for them, I hope they pay you well
Firstly I work for no one and I’m not paid as I am retired. I have spent the last few years delving into independent studies comparing fossil fuels, battery driven transportation and electricity generation. Even VW’s own website (along with other manufacturers) accept that the GWP of an electric vehicle during manufacturing is double that if an ICEV. For an average generation mix the break even is around 40,000 km, only Norway with some 90% hydro generation achieved a lower figure. In Poland it’s around 190,00 km. Have you studied the lifetime terrestrial acidification potential and particulate matter formation? They all show an ICEV to be less polluting by a large margin. Have you studied the the UK electrical generation profiles for renewables against actual demand? Have you read the IEA World Energy Investment and Critical Minerals Clean Energy Report? Have you studied the Geopolitical implications of mining and processing critical minerals? Listen to the CEO’s of Stellantis, Toyota and Honda. I started from ground zero after an enjoyable drive in a Fiat Abarth 500e to try and understand the implications. Those manufacturers who go all electric will be bankrupt in 5-7 years. Instead of the Johnson May greenwash energy reports, Sunak is finally showing some realise on the challenges. Continuing down the road of electrification for vehicles and heat pumps (which I have been involved in for 40 years and wouldn’t put one in my house) will result in hospitals, hotels and offices running their emergency diesel generators for long spells. When you’ve properly investigated these facts rather than and you still disagree then I suggest you don’t have the ability to put 2 & 2 together. ML
@@fullychargedshowjust the kind of answer I'd expect from an entertaining luvvie.
@@loveLTi A fascinating but sad;y very unoriginal response.
I have seen, read and heard about all the references you make so many times over the past 13 years I cannot begin to recall how many.
Literally thousands of older men love telling me who wrong I am, and yet they are proven incorrect time and again, not that it makes the slightest bit of difference because they, and you, truly believe what you state with such surety.
I'm not going to respond to all your assumptions, but the first is so blaringly incorrect it deserves a take down.
The fact that you quote, and believe VW, a long standing combustion car makers who have been pushed, kicking and screaming, lying (dieselgate) and whining into making electric vehicles says everything.
The Volvo report, on which this frankly offensively wrong assumption of the CO2 and energy impact of battery manufacturing has been so thoroughly debunked by actual scientists, actual battery specialists, academics and engineers all overt the world, again and again. See Auke Hoekstra and Euan McTurk for two, very thorough examples.
An electric car needs to be driven about 6,000 miles before it is MUCH cleaner than a diesel and petrol car of the same size, and then it continues to get cleaner while the filthy, dated, inefficient combustion engine mashes its way through spare parts, wears down, is even less efficient and therefore burns more and more fuel leaving more and more filth in it's wake, which, according to you, is 100% fine.
But obviously you are not going to research that. You are just going too blindly accept this lie. It fits your narrative.
And I will repeat, your narrative is that burning billions of barrels of fossil fuel every day is absolutely fine and we don't need to do anything about it.
Therefore there is no discussion to be had.
@@paul756uk2 You used the tired, 1990's term 'luvvie' which says everything about you. Very sad.
An employee at of the national grid pro EV/Green transport (bias to sell more electricity). Yet they would howl "biased" if an Oil company commented on supplying fuel.
The guy on the left berated an article by journalist on how slow it was to charge his car. By making a joke he was charging it from a 13 amp socket in his living room. Then a couple sentences on, he tells a story where he used to knock on doors and ask if he could plug his car in.
A 13 amp socket is roughly capable of output 3Kw, but I doubt a plug in charger would have such a rating.
I note they made no reference to the cost of insuring an EV. Why is that? perhaps it is indicative of how expensive it is to insure an EV.
sunak and his wife are in the pockets of shell, bp, exxonmobil. etc.
Its "your" dis information in front of a group that agrees with you why not have the opposite side on stage with you? I know why it's harder to change the subject in person when they will trip you up.
£30-£50k for a family car is not an option for most people.
If you have a working car, of any sort, the worst thing you can do for the environment is to buy any new car of any sort
It's a bit dissapointing that the experts still don't recognise that there's a huge amount of people without home charging access. And, that price comes back to you over time, yes that's great but it still matters not if you can’t get to that initial payment or cover such a large monthly expense. All I'm saying is that public charging and purchase price is still a problem, I'd like the experts to recognise that.
Great cause, good stuff brought up, I really appreciate what you do, go EV🙏
Public charging prices should be regulated. No more than 50% more than domestic charging might be a sensible limit.
@@rogerphelps9939 That's already here to some extent Roger, but of course it does depend on the greed levels of those operating the charge networks. My local charge network - Charge My Street - offers public charging as low as 38p per kwh, if you take out the higher user of the three subscriptions they offer....
They recognise it, they just refuse to accept that it’s an issue for the normal working person paying a mortgage etc while juggling childcare and all the rest.
But rapid charger prices are similar if not cheaper than petrol, if you don't have home charging you do exactly how you do if you need petrol, got to a rapid charger and charge it. I don't understand this argument made that EV is no good if you live in a flat?!
@@johnblythe6261it's because it works out to be equal or more expensive with an EV if you charge exclusively on public chargers. So why pay more for an EV if it's not cheaper to run. Petrol prices in Europe are currently about 1.98 / ltr. If you drive a Hybrid car with a consumption of 6.5l/100km, that's 12.87 / 100kms. Charging an EV publicly in Europe, you'd expect to pay at least 0.75 / Kwh. Take the MG4 for example, with a battery of 61Kwh and a range of about 380kms (Less if you're driving on a highway), you'd be be paying 12.04 / 100km.. This is exactly why i decided to go ahead with a self charging hybrid car this year instead of an EV.
Robert Llewellyn made me aware of the existence of the Nissan Leaf and I purchased one in 2011, now we have a BMW i3 REX and Tesla model 3. And I have been a patron of Fully Charged for years because their heart is in the right place. However it saddens me that so much of the FUD has been in response to the purest zeal to be rid of the internal combustion engine. For centuries we have progressed by replacing old technology with new but made full use of today's technology whilst doing so. But what is an EV? What is the fundamental change in technology that this transition to us all driving electric one day about? What did that first Tesla roadster cause to be written into history? What was it that the legacy automakers needed to grasp that I am not sure all have done so yet?
That electric motors should now be the only thing turning our wheels.
Instead of EVs becoming a political football we should already be seeing a real reduction in fossil fuel use. OK Tesla would not be the leading force they are today, Toyota, VW, Ford, GM etc would be vying to give more battery capacity with each new model and range extenders would have dispensed with any need to wear a hair-shirt on longer trips.
There would not talk of plans to ban ICE vehicles because customers would want EVs simply because they were better to drive and cheaper to run. Those who only wanted a BEV could have them and those who needed the back-up generator could have those also. There doesn't need to be a battle, there doesn't need to be nonsense from both sides. Just better vehicles that all can live with and enjoy.
How long have you kept any individual EV ?
Three EV's were on fire this week, one of them was on a test drive and worth £180,000, the other one was £148,000, (the second one was being charged while its owner was at the gym) don't know how much third car cost. I will never ever buy an electric car.
Just three EV’s 🤷🏼♂️- there will have been many more times fuel cars in the same time frame which burnt.
Thousands of ICE cars burn on fire every year, for many decades. Do some proper research, which doesn’t just involve reading anti-EV media 🤣
Why do the people in government or people in power use things like Range Rovers and not electric vehicles? Glad I have a reliable old diesel.
I’ve worked in the solar and wind power industry for the past 16-years and have driven an EV for the past 7-years and have combated renewable energy and EV lies, the entire time. No question, the fossil fuel industry spends a ton of time and effort perpetuating lies and misinformation. Great to see efforts like this, delivering truth and facts.
So what is your answer to those who don't have access to home charging such as those who live in terraced streets or flats and don't suggest lamp post charging as where would the people that park in those streets park their cars if they can't park in a space reserved for EVs?
@@oorya1780just use public chargers.
You don't have a petrol pump at home, do you?
@@oorya1780 workplace charging would help
@@RichardBrooklyn You need to remember that people hardly want to change their life. If he used to 5 minute breaks in a gas station he would be annoyed to spend 35 minutes at a public charger. Then you need to have your options ready: what if you plug your car while doing grocery shopping? What if you just call up your buddy and spend time on the phone while the car is charging? People pretend they are so busy they forget to manage two things at the same time.
@@Sekir80 oh no!
Anyway...
Why has UK insurance costs gone through the roof.
1 week later the answer to this insurance question has changed. Premiums are up and rising. One insurance company has refused to take on EVs. Luton airport fire has sent a strong message that is changing the willingness to listen to the other side of the issue.
Because we are ripped off for driving. My renewal jumped from £300 to £547 so I moved and got insurance for £320. Shop around on comparison sites.
because they are awake to the scam.
Because many EVs have to be totaled after an accident that damaged the battery. Battery replacement can cost 20k+ making the repair of a 2 or 3 yo EV uneconomical.
Is that the manufacturer ripping us off a second time ? EV batteries can be fixed but manufacturers do not want to do that preferring to rip us off.@@stan3452344
The best solution was NEVER EV's, it was always hydrogen. Honda decades ago, proved it was the solution, but the oil companies pushed back. Today, it still is the cleaner, least costly solution, and an easy option to use the current structure but with simple adaptations, fulfil the travel needs of the masses.
It is obvious to most sensible people that, if you live in a house with a driveway, can have a socket available for charging your car, and only use your electric car to make an all round journey of 150-200 miles, then electric cars will suit your lifestyle very well...if you can afford to purchase and insure a vehicle in the first place. If however you need use public chargers, you could easily experience problems such as long delays in charging your vehicle up to paying more for the electricity than you would for petrol or diesel.
During this presentation i would like to have seen mention of the problems encountered with EV`s when they are damaged in road accidents and have to be stored in a scrap yard, or similar area, while they are processed. The information i read is that a large vacant space around the vehicle has to be maintained for safety reasons until the vehicle is repaired or broken up for parts recycling. The critical factor here being the potential waste of storage space around the vehicle during this time. Any opinions?
Batteries are recycled, the rest of the card is cleaner that an ICE...
Ground up batteries are sold on the same exchanges as wheat these days. About 20,000 dollars per ton. About 10,000 per car.
Remove batteries if serviceable and use as static energy storage
You're absolutely right. We should stop the transition now, and go back to burning fuel. It's too wasteful when EVs that have been in an accident, need extra storage space for a few days, before being safely disassembled. That's not something that can be dealt with. There simply isn't enough empty space in the world to store all these cars for dozens of hours.
Insurance companies are charging a serious premium for the EV, as any accident which impinges on the battery setup means the car is totaled. And it does not take too much of an accident to damage the battery area - damages that on an ICE would result in a repaired vehicle. The rest of the car may be cleaner than an ICE when the batteries are removed, but that vehicle is nothing but clean scrap. And while we are at it, ask about to see how resales of EVs are going. Or not going.
The myth "it takes 10 years and 70`000 kilometers" is actually not so bad. While wrong, without fact-checking and discussions I have to ask: SO WHAT!? People look at these numbers and go "bwah! that's ages" and yes, it takes a while. But when the point is reached (even if wrong one) IT IS DONE. It only gets better from there. My Leaf is already at 8 years and 90`000km. tsk.
The numbers don't even make sense. Here in the US, 70k km is only 3 years in average
@@jamesengland7461you all drive a lot
@@jamesengland7461 Here in the UK, the average daily commute is now 20.8 miles, and the average motorway (freeway) trip is 70 to 80 miles....
...which was the point made in the presentation ... do you have something to add?
@@MrAdopado Well, yes and yes.
Yes: I thought the presentation said that the 10y 70tkm values were plain wrong, because the comparison to the ICE car was not taking the production of the petrol into account and that - taking exploration, drilling, refining and transporting into account - the real values were "better for the planet after 1 year and 12`000km". Which is super awesome!
Yes, my addition is: even with these wrong figures, it is not an argument against BEVs!
Someone (possibly not the type of person to discuss with or being swayed by other opinions lightly), who will come to you with the old, wrong figures to bad-mouth on BEVs is actually doing a service to BEVs, because cars live longer than 12 years and 70tkm! You just need to make them aware of that fact that cars live longer. And after that, they become better for the planet - even using these (wrong) values. Zero need for quoting data and persuasion. The simple question "and after that?" will turn the argument towards BEVs being positive.
The simple nay-sayer counter-argument would of course be: "Aha! But they never reach 12 years because they explode after 2000 km!" But that is a different discussion.
:)
A ICV doesn’t do thermal runaway or off highly toxic gas for a number of days. It doesn’t burn hot enough to melt concrete and high carbon steel. An ev actually does.
Also within the frontline car trade no dealer wants to take back a used ev. They are rapidly becoming disposable just like your phone.
In 10/20/30 years there will still be 100% viable icv on the road but very few EV’s for various reasons. One of which is the ticking time bomb of a battery the could at worst explode. At best simply fail.
I have driven a few EVs and loved the driving experience however the impracticalities of owning one is a no no for me is like have a petrol car with a 3 gallon fuel tank and you can only fill it with a eye dropper I’ll wait until they get better and I’m sure they will
I hate going to the service station and handing over $100 each time so for me that is impractical, each to their own. They will get better, like everything, the problem with waiting is when do you stop.
I just charge once a week at the company while i work. Easy.
Bring down the price for the normal working man/woman and get extra public charges then people will buy EVs.
The used EV market goes a way to helping in that respect. You no longer *have* to buy new.......
@@Brian-om2hh
How long will the battery last, though. Will it still have most of its range after another 5-7 years.
I couldn't afford more than 8-10k for a car, and it has got to be reliable.
@@johnbooth5199 The key metric is cost in use.
Batteries outlast an ICE.
You can rent or lease.
@@waynerussell6401 Rent or lease?
Will that be affordable to the average jo(e), The kind of person that buys a cheap runabout for £4-6k.
I'm a new driver, in my mid 40s. My 1st car was £9k and that was extravagant. But I need a reliable little car to access work. I live in a rural area. Well paying jobs are in nearby cities that are upto 40 miles away. Public transport is not an option, as it simply is not reliable enough.
@@johnbooth5199 Worry not John. Once the battery degrades to the point where you feel the range is less than you practically need, then you can have the battery pack repaired and refurbished, just as you would a worn engine. It's difficult to say how much it'll cost exactly, but it will probably be way less than the cost of a new battery. If I told you that Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in Gloucestershire, carried out a battery pack refurbishment on a 10 year old Nissan Leaf a while ago, with the work taking 4 hours, and costing £500, might it help to give you some perspective? The rate of battery degradation tends to slow after 3 to 4 years, and then often settles at around 3 to 4% loss per year.
The biggest incentive for adoption of BEV’s would be porting one’s home Tariff to every public charger. This would help flat dwellers and those without off-road parking next to their home. AI should be able to make it possible. Linking a car to an address and electricity account and make that a default for charging would make it less attractive to car thieves.
Voters would appreciate a level playing field. Governments could subsidise the loss to charging stations out of taxation of the oil and gas industries. All park and ride buses in Cambridge are now electric as are more and more taxis. It already makes for better air quality in the town centre. It also helps that park and ride buses accept those passengers without cars.
Eckart Jack, CB4 2AS.
Great idea. It wouldn't need AI, it would be easier than cell phones.
great idea, let the energy providers own the public roll out of onstreet parking charging systems and we will see more investment too.
Great idea over the long term but in the short term the installation of the infastructure needs to be paid for some how. Of course they could always just up the corporation tax for oil companies by 1% to pay for it as part of a carbon tax but Sunak wont do that because of his connections to the oil companies..
Great idea but don't let the british gov implement it or it will be a disaster
Go all electric as this is how we dig up the earth into oblivion to extract the metals and minerals they will need. Go ahead, fully charge the public 😅😢😂
When EVs cost less than 10k to buy and batteries cost less than 3k to replace I’ll consider one.
My work has an underground car park with an EV chargepoint. It has been turned off because its a "fire risk" 😮
This is the effect this kind of misinformation has.
That's rediculous
Oh that’s a shame we’ll share this video with your boss who switched it off & let’s get it on again it’s all good 😊
No such think as mis-information… just information..true, false or debatable. m-i is a politically generated tern to allow censorship
This is an entirely sensible decision. EV fires in contained spaces are lethal due to toxic fumes especially those batteries containing cobalt. I'll wait for safer batteries before buying an EV
@@MegaWilderness don't ICE cars also produce extremely toxic fumes in a confined space when they catch fire? Which certainly happens .. quite frequently ...
I had lunch with friends this week, I have known them for years. Just got a new EV and was excited to show it to them. 'I don't like Electric Cars' he said, why I said 'micro particles from their tyres polluting the atmosphere' . Anyway I did debunk it, and pointed out his enormous SUV possibly contaminated more than my new car. An uphill struggle I think, but we will win.
" It's only 99.9% less polluting than my car so it's rubbish "
All cars are bad for the environment. So no need to feel too smug no matter what you drive. Winning is not an option. It's how slow you lose. Or rather the planet loses.
It'll be government who decide who wins.
Granted EVs are an excellent idea but not powered by batteries.
Having a fairly heavy battery ... and requiring a fairly powerful motor(s) to move a vehicle rather defeats the object.
You might have noticed the lady presenter piped up that battery EVs produced no pollution ... but she was careful not to mention the pollution caused by generating the power.
You might find this amusing but Robert and coterie specialise in greenwashing.
Anyone can see that, except the people who are incapable of taking a much broader view.
@@t1n4444 got any other nonsense talking points do you want to push? Hydrogen by any chance?
@@t1n4444 have you researched crude oil extraction, transportation and refining by chance?
They were bobbing up and down out of their seats like turkeys voting for Christmas
So the idea behind 'stop burning stuff' is to burn more stuff in order to scrap a perfectly serviceable ICE car with a decade or more of good service left to it, and burn a vast amount more stuff to make an electric car, which is still powered, in part, by burning some more stuff.
Yes... I can see how that's going to work... 😂😂😂
I have friends working in car manufacturers (aFORDable ones! wink) and they say the industry has invested lots of money for the 2030 change and are furious at this government for delaying the transition to 2035... the industry and people in the UK were getting ready and the economy was able to make these changes but the government is trying to appeal to a minority of the population that still thinks we can afford (as a species) to keep burning stuff... old dinosaurs who are steadily dying out leaving the younger generations to sort their sh*t!
The overall issue is these basic things How much it costs to charge,
how long it takes , especially when you can pull into a fuel station fill up and go, and this is the biggest one. Then milage, how far we get on a tank of fuel compared to a full charge
Then this one , There are over a thousands households along my road, and 95% are unable to have a home charging point, due to no drive way , plus not even being able to park outside there own homes!! O and the council stop you from running leads due to heath and safety issues, o and the costs to have a home charging point installed at your home! So answerson that ?
How do we move forward??
Then , plus the fact that EV cars / van are more expensive to buy !!
Price is the problem, we haven't all got 70k for an EV.
10 days later that hashtag aged like fine milk in Luton.
Oh no, wait I’m sorry - turns out that was a diesel car. My bad. Not a single lithium ion battery was present at that facility, obviously. Sorry for the misinformation - I know we don’t get any of that from the EV community..