After all the noise from other RUclipsrs that quite frankly speak a lot of nonsense, regarding the PS5 PRO, it’s nice to hear from someone who actually knows what they’re talking about.
Hilarious how youtube is full of British guy talking so much tech yet their own country makes zero tech hardware or software, decades behind countries like Taiwan and Skorea.
I’m glad so much people downplaying it because I feel like it may deter scalpers lol. But honestly the people saying it’s a minor difference are insane. All they have to do is switch most of the current AAA Games to fidelity mode(Which most of them have) and you will see what the pros would be. I always tend to give fidelity modes a quick check before I Stick to performance religiously but it is clear as day the improvements in fidelity modes 95% of the time.
Every RUclipsr is essentially labeling the PS5 Pro as a scam or not worth it, but they didn't take even 10 seconds to think about why it's priced at $700. You're getting A LOT of performance for the money. If you wanted to think about it in terms of frames per dollar, the PS5 Pro is the best bang for your buck.
Ppl are forgetting, they are listening to pc ppl who have pc channels, it is not in their best interest to say anything good about the ps5 pro, thats like asking oil companies to say something good about solar or wind power.
It's optional to buy, yeah no shit. But if it sells (which it won't), it would set the new standard that Sony can sell their consoles at these premium prices which turns gaming into a fucking bougie hobby where only affluent people can afford to partake. Hell it's already at that point with PC gaming
This was so refreshing to listen to. Everyone else is just complaining about everything. There is a market for it, if people don't want it, don't buy it. I'm always happy with more options
Those others are speaking out for the masses (i.e. they don't want PS6 to cost $1000 and prevent Timmy from being able to own one) while you are blabbering for your selfish self.
@@etvow Those others have no common sense. If the PS6 costs $1000 and you can't afford it then YOU DON"T BUY IT. This hobby is not owed to you. You have to PAY WHAT IT COSTS. If it's out of your price range then get another hobby. THAT IS LIFE. Gaming is NOT OWED TO LITTLE TIMMY. It has a cost. If I can't afford a Ferrari then I DON"T BUY IT. I have never seen so much stupidity and entitlement from any other community than the gaming community.
@@Gameoholic1982 Video game industry can't survive without those masses who are already convinced they will not buy PS5Pro. The game industry needs those masses to continue to thrive, it can't continue just from selling to old farts like you looking for the latest tech gadget.
@@etvow Use your common sense. The PS5 Pro is not a device that's aimed at the mass market. It's a device that's aimed at the enthusiast market. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Don't understand what is so hard for many to understand you can sell your ps5 and buy the pro at half the price it is a very good deal or buy a 2.5k pc which will still suck and don't get exclusives day 1 or gta 6.
That's one game I'd like to see what the Pro could do. If you turn quality mode on it looks incredible. Performance is much smoother but you can see the hit you take to visuals. I'd be happy if we can get the visual fidelity of quality at 60 that would be awesome. Edit: also chapter 3 is where I switched to quality in order to get more consistent frame rates. Took a minute to get used to but didn't have as much stuttering.
As john linemann from digital foundry said; it’s a niche product for console enthusiasts, most people who ran their mouths online about the price etc already owns a ps5 anyways. For people who don’t own a PS5 or would want a better console experience - the PS5 pro speaks to me in every way 😌
I'm still shocked that they didn't even bother advertising the 2TB in the video. With that price you should be shouting every justification possible. (But no, they'd rather gaslight about excluding the stand.)
Great stuff, Michael. Cerny smart as usual. 699 is pretty great value for the image it will bring to large 4K TV’s. ML upscaling is the real sauce. As it is for Nvidia. And crucial as UE5 is now the default engine for mainstream game development… One correction. The data is 75% of people use performance mode.
$700 is a lot of money, but the Series X with 2tb hd is priced at $600 so the PS5 Pro with almost double the power is $100 more. Expensive, but it makes sense in comparison.
Exactly. It's been treated like Sony is forcing the Pro on you, like they're raising government taxes worldwide or something. It's a fucking optional more powerful upgrade. Not for you? let me present you the standard and cheaper PS5.
That's not the problem, the problem is that the PS5 has failed to live up to Sony's promises and so now they want me to splash out even more money to get closer to what they said PS5 would achieve. We promise, it really is 4k/60 this time*
@@dave10293874 On consoles where a good portion of games are still bought with physical media it absolutely is a bad decision. On PC pretty much everyone only uses digital media, it is a different landscape
Hopefully more ps5 pro patches for 3rd party games comes out until release. They will not be able to sell this machine with just a few supported titles and no new killer game to show it off with.
GT7 and PSVR2 will continue to blow peoples minds.... but yeah agreed it needs a killer app..... too bad Astrobot released a few weeks earlier! Otherwise Astrobot would be softening and rounding off or sweetening the price factor.... Also the PRO is Sonys market reearch.... this will inform what the PS6 will be like.... so do buy the disc drive if you want physical media to last longer, they will guage how many purchase drives etc they will guage how many people want a pro etc from wgat i can tell most people who play GT7 get the whole shebang, as in PSVR2, driving wheel and rig thats already PC space... and i do expect sony to reveal bloody games now too!!! otherwise wtf i have a funny feeling sony might push Insomniac to show Wolverine for Pro to soften everybody up..... and we'll all be confused etc
@@antwango the PS6 will be nothing like the PS5 pro tho. The only thing that might be transferred over is pssr upscaling. They need more supported 3rd party games , especially those with unreal engine 5. Those were the titles that really struggled with image quality on PS5 on performance mode
I was expecting ~$650 with the disc drive, although I wasn't expecting 2TB of storage, which is something Cerny really should have emphasized in that presentation that seemed very dumbed down by PR people.
Everyone moaning about the cost needs to get a life. You do not have to buy this. Nothing has changed. You don’t like it buy a standard PS5. You can afford it you get the pro. It isn’t great value, it is overpriced but if you want the best PlayStation experience here it is. And no you can’t fully build an equivalently powerful pc for the same money. You can buy a graphics card for the same sort of money.
This mid gen upgrade is pretty steep price wise but im looking to get one And atleast when ps6 comes around devs will have had more experience with pssr
CNET reviewer that was with Mark Cerny, said that, there will be 50 games at launch of PS5 Pro, that will definitely see a boost. Those 50 games could possibly be games that already have patches ready to go on day one drop of the PS5 Pro, maybe? CNET Video - "My Exclusive PlayStation 5 Pro Demo: What $699 Gets You, And Why It Matters" @3:20
I don't think price is a problem. £700 You get a 2TB SSD which alone is about £150 - £180 It's far more powerful. Breaks the horrible barrier where we had to sacrifice graphics for fps, or fps for graphics. But the fact that it doesn't have a cheap stand with it...and the disk drive is an optional extra..is pathetic
How is £699 suddenly extraordinarily high compared to the price of everyday gadgets we use nowadays? Most peoples phones or PC used to write a comment are far more expensive. It's nonsensical.
I just hope a lot of devs choose to inject PSSR into their older PS4 and PS5 titles because image quality on older games is ripe for improvement with an ML based upscaling technique. Hundreds of older games could be made to appear native 4k.
I can’t justify the high price point. If it came with a disc drive (that doesn’t need an online check in on installation…) and Mark Cerny was like ‘Oh yeah, you can pop in any PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 or PS5 disc and it’ll play natively’ then I’d already be standing in line. As it is, it doesn’t do enough to be worth $700 (or $780 if you don’t have a disc drive).
It’s not only gpu upgrade which is 45% but also the upscaling so in result they can run 4k30 games at 60fps! Don’t let disc drive alone be a deal breaker
And that is your prerogative. Get a PS5 or keep the one that you already have. This is an optional console. A small percentage of the PS5 audiance will get it...The immense majority will stay on the base hardware.
Excellent video as usual brother. However, I have to make a correction to something you said, i.e. that we in the the UK pay more. It seems like we do, because of the exchange rate, but people don’t factor in that our prices include all associated TAX as well. Whereas the US, they will have to pay TAX in addition to the $700 price, therefore the cost is almost identical when you consider the full price out of pocket.
You know... I don't get what the big deal is. Adjusting for inflation, the pro isn't more expensive than game consoles years ago. Ps1 would now be $650, sega saturn at $820, Xbox 360 at $660, ps3 20gb at $800. $699 is average. At least it's not like the 60gb ps3 at a wopping $960 in today's money. And that didn't offer any performance improvements. The PS5 pro is a premium luxury that has better performance. It's not cheap, it's not overpriced, it's just normal. Now, some people will point out the reason why 799 is too much is because the base ps5 is half that price. But that's because consoles have never been as cheap as they are today because Sony, as well as many other manufactures in recent years, just eat the cost, even make a loss for every system sold and make up for it through software sales. So when they release a more expensive system for cheap, since profits are determined by software, not the hardware, how would that make more money than what the base PS5 couldn't do in the first place? The PS5 Pro needs to either actually make money for each sale, or at the very least, lose less money than the standard PS5 in order to justify its existence.
Fantastic video NX. You are one of the better channels on RUclips. Explains well and focuses on what the aim with the tech is. So many RUclipsrs right now are only clout farming in regards of the ps5 pro talking mostly rubbish and it's insanely boring and tiring. This was a breath of fresh air. I'm actually more interested in the pro now than before I watched your video :)
I mean, i want it, but in the UK a PS5 Pro, disc drive and the stand costs .... $1077. it sucks that uk always get the most shafted. That being said, this is not a Sony problem, this is 2024 inflation, worldwirde across all products. $699 for this perfomance is still likely the best money can buy. A $699 PC isnt going to hit this level of fidelity.
Won't have hardly any demand, scalpers will test the waters at first and once they realize they can't shed their inventory, the scalping will be a brief moment in time
You guys really need to quit whining about the price in USA and England for the Pro though as locally in Australia it will be $1199 for base version and $1,349 if you add the drive lol. Now that is insanity as a 4060 laptop is only around that same money in sales.
I'm buying it, just as PC gamers buy 4090s and some. The upgrades are subjective. Alan Wake 2 and FF Rebirth are awesome to get new upgrades. I look forward to FF16 getting a 5 Pro update as well. Get get what you pay for, and this is more worth it than PS4 Pro
Yeah, you buy what you want in the end. One time I thought I would, but I won't. I don't want to send the wrong message. I wouldn't agree with the last sentence. PS4 Pro was twice the power than OG, not 45% and it cost the same launch to launch AFAIR.
Thanks for this. Love your stuff. I don't watch a lot of IGN's stuff so I sometimes miss what you put out over there but I love that they got you for the job.
I think you’re underestimating the issue around the price. £800 for a disk pro is way above sensible predictions including your own already higher end £700. The enthusiasts will be put off unless there’s big wins which haven’t been shown yet and the mass market will make it a meme
@@Quazzi exactly, I think it’s a great bit of kit. I’ll def get one in time when there’s more compelling reasons but to introduce it to the world the way Sony have, very strange
First I laughed. Then I was indifferent. Then I ordered the disc drive before it sells out. I wished it was cheaper. But from a manufacturing and distribution standpoint having the covers, disc drive, and stand, all be compatible between the Slim and Pro is a solid decision. I wished it had PS Link (Pulse Explore earbuds are great) built in or new hardware to connect the Portal directly instead of wi-fi, that would've been neat, even if the Portal needed a revision.
The Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 is the undisputed best graphics card for gaming right now. It's also the most expensive, coming in at more than $2,000. For a GPU. That's more money than you'd typically pay for prebuilt gaming PCs.
And it still makes use of dlss. People don’t understand what it would actually take to run some of these games on raw gpu power alone. PSSR is gonna be a game changer going forward. I wouldn’t doubt the ps6 having a dedicated unit just to handle it.
@@rikokane Want to join the PC master race? Then how about starting with... The Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 is the undisputed best graphics card for gaming right now. It's also the most expensive, coming in at more than $2,000. For a GPU. That's more money than you'd typically pay for prebuilt gaming PCs. Or if you're into high-end console gaming, you can now look forward to the newly announced 2TB PS5pro for $699.99 with the option to add an $80 hard drive, of course But if you're in the market for something more economical, then I am happy to announce that the market has just the devices for you in the Playstation 5 and Xbox series X starting at $499.99. And if those aren't within your budget, then I am also happy to announce that we have something much cheaper in the kids department called the Nintendo switch, at $299.99 with its rich catalog of Nintendo games, the Nintendo switch is an easy for many aspiring to be gamers and casuals alike. I am sure you will love this option just as much, if not more, then all the other options. With so many options available, it's safe to say that it's a great time to be a gamer.
@@Entertainment-ev6oblol so many Xbots out in force this week. If one of the highest rated games of all time wasn't enough, now the Pro has got the tears pouring.
@@Entertainment-ev6ob I can afford it. I don't need it for free lol also, most predictions are putting the PlayStation 6 release 3 years from now. So if you take that $700 and divide it by three that's roughly $233 a year, and then you take that and divide it by 12 months. That's roughly 20 bucks a month... Are you telling me a grown ass adult can't afford $20 a month? You telling me you don't got 20 bucks in your pocket? 🤔
Many thanks, NX, for this great summary. I'm still very impressed by your high level of technical knowledge. Is is so great to learn things with all your videos! :)
Fantastic video, great insights from someone who knows what he‘s talking about. Already got the disc drive and let‘s hope that preorders will stay in stock and not sell out after minutes!
Wow NX Gamer🎯💯 you hit the nail in the head with the $700 price almost a year ago! Love the tech talk you bring us each and every time. Thank you NX GAMER! ✌️
Comparing with the $600 Series X 2TB with no improvements this doesnt seem so bad BUT the presentation just was pretty bad. Why have the vertical stand even in the press release when you have to put a asterisk saying sold separately seems so out of touch. They could have also promoted the 2TB better.
Great video. Not a youtube sensationalist. Xbox series X 2TB is 599 lol, PC’s will cost 1000+. Switch OLED using Wii U tech is 300+. PS5 Pro isnt overcharging
Great console. Terrible packaging. In Canada, $959 before tax and without a disc drive or stand?? Lol jesus… I love my PS5 and have for years but I’ll stick to my 7900xt PC I guess.
The ones complaining about the price are the same ones that go out and buy a new $1k+ iPhone or Android every year or two, and there are only minimal upgrades made to the damn phone... let's be real, you buy a console, and you keep it for the generations 7-year life cycle in most cases. You can't say the same for the phone in your pocket 😂 it's for enthusiasts
Not for me - happy with my £200 android phone with amoled 120hz display for last 3 years. I'm just not feeling drawn to getting the extra performance for such a high costing. Its also unclear what benefits the boost mode will bring to titles outside of Sony exclusives.
I don't think consoles market to enthusiasts whatsoever, they'll just buy a PC. At the end of the day, it's still a very mediocre GPU, especially for 4k.
LOL not really, I buy mid-range phones and switch up every 3-4 years because they are full of memory or running like garbage because of the increasing bloating of android or app developers not optimizing their apps wanting the higher specs new phones to brute force it.
The sales stats from just Samsung and Apple would say you guys are in the minority of people in this example. Even then, people still hold on to their consoles for 7+ years making the price/performance/year a good bargin.
I think it's a fair price, i am a pc gamer, so maybe im just used to dropping a lot on a gpu to game at 4k. I don't mind the price. The no disc drive doesn't bother me. i haven't had one on any of my computers for a long time, lol. I'll probably pre-order one.
Some games share the exact same feature set between fidelity mode and performance mode. For example a game in fidelity mode might be rendering native 4K at 30fps while the performance mode is rendering the same feature set but at 1080p 60fps. With the PS5 Pro you can take that 1080p image and use the additional GPU performance to add more effects and add ray tracing while rendering that 1080p image in the same frame time. Now you can use PSSR to upscale that to 4K. The end result is 4K 60 with more effects and ray tracing while the fidelity mode on the base PS5 is 4K 30fps with less effects and no ray tracing. That is a big step up.
Marketing a PS5 Pro might be difficult when the graphical fidelity differences might be difficult to show otherwise than in person and, ideally, side by side with a PS5 version. That said, I'm vers skeptical about the promise here (Quality mode or even slightly better at 60 fps). In performance mode a lot of games sometimes fall into the 40fps because of the CPU. I'm affraid it won't be vers different here
I’ll buy one; it’s pretty much what we (people who it’s targeted to) was expecting; Gt7 and GTA 6, can’t wait to play (I want to know the psvr2 enhancements though, wish they talked about that)
Hey Michael, have you been to the recent hands-on PS5 Pro demonstration? Are you still working with or for IGN? I noticed lately they may have been pushing you out of the Tech and Performance coverage - and if so, I'm sorry, you did a fantastic job out there this year!
Horizon Burning Shores, Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man 2, Returnal, but they also showed the new Assansins Creed , Alan Wake 2......we're you watching with your eyes closed. These are all next gen only.
If you account for inflation, it around $60 more than the original PS5. One you get a disk drive, the other you get 2TB of storage. It was NEVER going to be lower that $649 imo.
I swear the gaming community has some of the biggest pocket watches I've ever seen.... You'd think this was the only ps5 on the market, if they don't like it don't buy it.. it's that simple.
That's how consoles have been since the 8bit era, I don't understand making this statement. Was it supposed to be a gotcha or "Haha, PC Sucks" PCs do a lot more than a PS5
@@Entertainment-ev6ob From my build list: I can build a complete PC with a Ryzen 5600, 32GB RAM, and Radeon 6750XT (Raster equivalent of a 4060 Ti) for ~$785 right now. And that's a machine whose GPU I can upgrade. I waited for this PS5 announcement and _clearly_ buying a PS5 makes absolutely no sense for me.
price in aud will be close to 1099, 1349 with stand and disk drive i guess. Helped a mate get a 7600 + 4070 new build recently, local price was ~1450. The Pro will give 4070 raytracing and if we did the new pc with old zen2 it would have been less so i guess its same bang for same bucks in terms of silicon.
@@foxdart people keep talking about ray tracing like it’s super common on console. It’s not. Raster performance is most important and it’s roughly a 3070 Ti in pure raster, which is fine
Still cheaper than gpus. Still cheaper than ps3 lol which would be 950 with inflation. I am getting it regardless. Already ordered the drive. For me it’s worth it
"PS5 Pro uses the new advanced RT feature sets that AMD created as the next step in their roadmap architecture," Mark Cerny told CNET. "There are no other AMD GPUs that use it yet. We motivated the development, and I'm very happy we did so -- the response from the developers has been extraordinarily great." "Other enhancements include PS5 Pro Game Boost, which can stabilize or improve the performance of more than 8,500 backward compatible PS4 games and the entire PS5 library."
Great video! So many haters online about this product. This is actually going to be amazing at giving gamers mostly what they want. The thing is, they wanted the PS5 basically to be this product. However, AI upscaling wasn't in the cards at the time. So we get it mid gen. This is a really cool product from a hardware standpoint, and exciting for the future on how great the PS6 could potentially be for UE5 games.
I don't expect this to sell well. The PS4 Pro supposedly made up 8% of all PS4 sales and that launched at the same price as the PS4 did at launch. This is $300 over that price so expect even fewer people to purchase
@@crestofhonor2349 good call. Yes this is as niche as it gets. It’s cool that it exists if you take away the price. But the price is real, and it’s starting to get close to a good pc prices.
@@crestofhonor2349because most of the core ps4 gamers had only FullHD/1080p TV or monitors. Good 4k TV did cost over 1000 at that time still, 4k gaming monitors also super expensive
Reddit and RUclips comments on this reveal has been giving me migraines. So nice to have a sober, realistic and positive analysis. Day 1. I can’t wait for it.
I wonder what this means for ps6. If they want to improve gpu performance over ps5 pro they will need to ask the same price because at 500 $ it will perform the same at best.
CNET actually got invited to Sony to see it live and they said there are 50 plus enhanced titles at launch and the disc drive is the same as the slim so if anyone already has a slim they can use that one apparently which would be a saving for some. It also comes with 2 TB which is pretty cool as most people already have at least a 2TB expansion as they were so cheap. There is no word of enhanced textures over base PS5 either so games may not really take up all that much more space is my guess.
Thanks Michael, a well structured and measured analysis of the announcement. Whilst the PS5 Pro will clearly be a step up from the base console, I do wonder how many casual users will think it worthwhile investing (particularly with the price premium vs the standard PS5). Apparently stats for the PS4 Pro after launch show it sold 20:80 compared to the PS4 slim, and I have a feeling the PS5 Pro will be lower than that - not just based on the price, but also the perception of what value the updated console will give consumers vs the base model. I just don't think there is that step up in visible technical performance that you got going from PS4 to PS4 Pro, especially with the launch and uptake of 4K TVs around that time. The video game market in general has bucked the trend when it comes to inflation-based price increases - especially with the games. Who else remembers Turok launching on the N64 for £65? And I certainly remember buying FIFA98 for £55 from good ol' Woolies when it came out! With the cost of game development sky rocketing in recent years, I guess the margins just aren't there any more to heavily subsidise the console cost, hence we are starting to see the prices increase to reflect what they theoretically should be (the £300 cost for the PS1 in 1995 equates to £720 in 2024 taking inflation into account). The lack of disc-drive from the core PS5 Pro is pretty galling, and if I were to upgrade (which I am in 2 minds about currently - I will certainly wait until the new year and see where everything sits), I am unsure if I would pay the additional for the few games I do own physically now as well as a limited number of blu-rays and 4k blu-rays. I would like Sony to provide the option of a bundled console, even if it does cost a bit more. Ultimately it's a niche product for a select core of gamers, and sales will reflect that. My only concern is how this will reflect in the price of the Playstation 6 when Sony decides to launch in a few years time..
While I understand the disappointment over the price, I expect the PS5 Pro to do well enough. The same grumbles from games press accompanied the PS4 Pro, which turned out to be a great machine. It’s pretty much what I wanted and expected, games at 60fps looking closer to fidelity modes. That 2/3rds of gamers opting for performance modes will inform devs when it comes to speccing forthcoming projects. And yeah… GTA5 might well wind up running at 30fps, but gamers won’t like it. Although perhaps offering 40fps modes may well become the concession where cpu does become the limiting factor.
The difference with Apple is you can buy some of their most popular items with a contract so you can pay over 2 years. Even with a trade in of the PS5 it's more expensive than the launch price of the PS5
Amazing content as always Michael. The $700 will be a hard pill to swallow but the specs back them. Just with the 2tb internal ssd we knew it was gonna be expensive, well to get a second job it is then 😂
Even if the vrr range is expanded, I'm hoping for at least 40gb like Serues X. Dropping to 4:2:2 chroma for 120hz is noticeable compared to RGB or 4:4:4. It would also help those with tvs that don't switch HDMI black level correctly because it wouldn't occur.
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After all the noise from other RUclipsrs that quite frankly speak a lot of nonsense, regarding the PS5 PRO, it’s nice to hear from someone who actually knows what they’re talking about.
Agreed!
Ah yes mark cerny who presented the event is dethroned by random power than 60k subscribed youtuber “tech” channel
@@Entertainment-ev6ob That made no sense c**t
@@Entertainment-ev6ob huh?
@@Entertainment-ev6ob you are beyond Tarded!!! Is Mark Cerny a youtuber? Were you dropped on your head or suffered head trauma in an accident?
The most underrated technology channel in RUclips..
Hilarious how youtube is full of British guy talking so much tech yet their own country makes zero tech hardware or software, decades behind countries like Taiwan and Skorea.
It's true there is someone on RUclips that talks sense.
All those RUclipsrs hating on ps5 pro will end up buying it.
Exactly, this thing is already sold out before it drops. Scalpers are gonna charge 2k
I’m glad so much people downplaying it because I feel like it may deter scalpers lol. But honestly the people saying it’s a minor difference are insane. All they have to do is switch most of the current AAA Games to fidelity mode(Which most of them have) and you will see what the pros would be. I always tend to give fidelity modes a quick check before I Stick to performance religiously but it is clear as day the improvements in fidelity modes 95% of the time.
Finally an actually good discussion and explanation of the tech. Everyone else on YT is just freaking out about the price.
As they should.
Every RUclipsr is essentially labeling the PS5 Pro as a scam or not worth it, but they didn't take even 10 seconds to think about why it's priced at $700. You're getting A LOT of performance for the money. If you wanted to think about it in terms of frames per dollar, the PS5 Pro is the best bang for your buck.
Ppl are forgetting, they are listening to pc ppl who have pc channels, it is not in their best interest to say anything good about the ps5 pro, thats like asking oil companies to say something good about solar or wind power.
Zero frames without a disk drive for me, I cant even buy a drive here in Australia and no retailers know when they will be available
Two things to keep in mind: 1. Base model will be still on sale. 2. Is completely optional to buy it.
It seems like people have forgotten this. The internet is acting like this is a new generation
It's optional to buy, yeah no shit. But if it sells (which it won't), it would set the new standard that Sony can sell their consoles at these premium prices which turns gaming into a fucking bougie hobby where only affluent people can afford to partake. Hell it's already at that point with PC gaming
@@joesaiditstrue Market regulate itself. If things are too expensive price will decrease.
@@Kanna_787 same thing happened for PS4 Pro. People hate that other people might have a better PS5 than them
@@Kanna_787nah, they remember the last mid gen console release and the difference with this one is ridiculous.
This was so refreshing to listen to. Everyone else is just complaining about everything. There is a market for it, if people don't want it, don't buy it. I'm always happy with more options
Those others are speaking out for the masses (i.e. they don't want PS6 to cost $1000 and prevent Timmy from being able to own one) while you are blabbering for your selfish self.
@@etvow Those others have no common sense. If the PS6 costs $1000 and you can't afford it then YOU DON"T BUY IT. This hobby is not owed to you. You have to PAY WHAT IT COSTS. If it's out of your price range then get another hobby. THAT IS LIFE. Gaming is NOT OWED TO LITTLE TIMMY. It has a cost. If I can't afford a Ferrari then I DON"T BUY IT. I have never seen so much stupidity and entitlement from any other community than the gaming community.
@@Gameoholic1982 Video game industry can't survive without those masses who are already convinced they will not buy PS5Pro. The game industry needs those masses to continue to thrive, it can't continue just from selling to old farts like you looking for the latest tech gadget.
@@etvow Use your common sense. The PS5 Pro is not a device that's aimed at the mass market. It's a device that's aimed at the enthusiast market. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
@@Gameoholic1982 Sony is marketing this to the mass market - the entire world market. They are not marketing this to chimppanzees like you.
Don't understand what is so hard for many to understand you can sell your ps5 and buy the pro at half the price it is a very good deal or buy a 2.5k pc which will still suck and don't get exclusives day 1 or gta 6.
A 2.5k pc wouldn't suck🤡🎪
@@IAmBetterThanIWasYesterday Yes it would 🤡 cry more
@mrX666-s9p Clearly you never had a PC before. 🤡
@@DmarcusBaus I actually have one clown cry more
Black Myth Wukong absolutely needs the pro. Chapter 3 is catching hell on my PS5!
That's one game I'd like to see what the Pro could do. If you turn quality mode on it looks incredible. Performance is much smoother but you can see the hit you take to visuals. I'd be happy if we can get the visual fidelity of quality at 60 that would be awesome.
Edit: also chapter 3 is where I switched to quality in order to get more consistent frame rates. Took a minute to get used to but didn't have as much stuttering.
Yeah ch3 was bad but wait for ch6 :D
Game has stutters even on a 4090 it needs better optimization first.
@@blackwidow7804 oh God! Your telling me it gets worse!
Well then start hoping that devs will go back to patch these pro patches
Literally the most knowledgeable person on yourtube about hardware you can source for information. Loved this tech preview
just want to say thank you. I was waiting on your thoughts.
As john linemann from digital foundry said; it’s a niche product for console enthusiasts, most people who ran their mouths online about the price etc already owns a ps5 anyways. For people who don’t own a PS5 or would want a better console experience - the PS5 pro speaks to me in every way 😌
I'm still shocked that they didn't even bother advertising the 2TB in the video. With that price you should be shouting every justification possible. (But no, they'd rather gaslight about excluding the stand.)
Games like AW2 or SW Outlaws will benefit greatly grom PSSR.
Great stuff, Michael. Cerny smart as usual. 699 is pretty great value for the image it will bring to large 4K TV’s. ML upscaling is the real sauce. As it is for Nvidia. And crucial as UE5 is now the default engine for mainstream game development…
One correction. The data is 75% of people use performance mode.
It's un proven tech. And new. 800 bucks for DLSS is not worth it
$700 is a lot of money, but the Series X with 2tb hd is priced at $600 so the PS5 Pro with almost double the power is $100 more. Expensive, but it makes sense in comparison.
@@barklertrapplefleas5466 not really double the power but significantly more powerful, regardless
Bots replying to bots. Hilarious!
@@Chrixsify wut?
@@Chrixsify what?
If it can run GTA 6 at 60 fps, I'll get one!
'if'
So many people going around crying like the base ps5 is discontinued and unsupported
Please show me 1 example
Exactly. It's been treated like Sony is forcing the Pro on you, like they're raising government taxes worldwide or something. It's a fucking optional more powerful upgrade. Not for you? let me present you the standard and cheaper PS5.
That's not the problem, the problem is that the PS5 has failed to live up to Sony's promises and so now they want me to splash out even more money to get closer to what they said PS5 would achieve. We promise, it really is 4k/60 this time*
You can swap the PS5 slim drive to pro... At least that's what CNETs been saying.
You can. There is only 1 drive. It’s confirmed on ps blog
The lack of a disk drive is criminal
No it’s not. My pc nor laptop have disk drives. They’re external.
@@dave10293874 On consoles where a good portion of games are still bought with physical media it absolutely is a bad decision. On PC pretty much everyone only uses digital media, it is a different landscape
Its two birds with one stone. Get consumers to pay extra and to gradually shift them towards digital content and consumption.
@@dave10293874 Yes it is for the console market
When 75% to 80% of all games sales this gen are digital, what makes you think having a disk drive a mandatory?
Hopefully more ps5 pro patches for 3rd party games comes out until release.
They will not be able to sell this machine with just a few supported titles and no new killer game to show it off with.
GT7 and PSVR2 will continue to blow peoples minds.... but yeah agreed it needs a killer app..... too bad Astrobot released a few weeks earlier! Otherwise Astrobot would be softening and rounding off or sweetening the price factor....
Also the PRO is Sonys market reearch.... this will inform what the PS6 will be like.... so do buy the disc drive if you want physical media to last longer, they will guage how many purchase drives etc
they will guage how many people want a pro etc
from wgat i can tell most people who play GT7 get the whole shebang, as in PSVR2, driving wheel and rig thats already PC space...
and i do expect sony to reveal bloody games now too!!! otherwise wtf
i have a funny feeling sony might push Insomniac to show Wolverine for Pro to soften everybody up..... and we'll all be confused etc
@@antwango the PS6 will be nothing like the PS5 pro tho. The only thing that might be transferred over is pssr upscaling.
They need more supported 3rd party games , especially those with unreal engine 5. Those were the titles that really struggled with image quality on PS5 on performance mode
TRUE, you called it, NX gamer. You said it'd cost 700 pounds back in November 2023. 👍
Did he mention that it wouldn't come with a stand, and the disc drive too?! 🤔
@@Durka-Durka01valid point lol
Yes.
I was expecting ~$650 with the disc drive, although I wasn't expecting 2TB of storage, which is something Cerny really should have emphasized in that presentation that seemed very dumbed down by PR people.
Everyone moaning about the cost needs to get a life. You do not have to buy this. Nothing has changed. You don’t like it buy a standard PS5. You can afford it you get the pro. It isn’t great value, it is overpriced but if you want the best PlayStation experience here it is. And no you can’t fully build an equivalently powerful pc for the same money. You can buy a graphics card for the same sort of money.
This mid gen upgrade is pretty steep price wise but im looking to get one
And atleast when ps6 comes around devs will have had more experience with pssr
CNET reviewer that was with Mark Cerny, said that, there will be 50 games at launch of PS5 Pro, that will definitely see a boost. Those 50 games could possibly be games that already have patches ready to go on day one drop of the PS5 Pro, maybe?
CNET Video - "My Exclusive PlayStation 5 Pro Demo: What $699 Gets You, And Why It Matters" @3:20
I don't think price is a problem. £700
You get a 2TB SSD which alone is about £150 - £180
It's far more powerful. Breaks the horrible barrier where we had to sacrifice graphics for fps, or fps for graphics.
But the fact that it doesn't have a cheap stand with it...and the disk drive is an optional extra..is pathetic
How is £699 suddenly extraordinarily high compared to the price of everyday gadgets we use nowadays? Most peoples phones or PC used to write a comment are far more expensive. It's nonsensical.
I just hope a lot of devs choose to inject PSSR into their older PS4 and PS5 titles because image quality on older games is ripe for improvement with an ML based upscaling technique. Hundreds of older games could be made to appear native 4k.
I can’t justify the high price point. If it came with a disc drive (that doesn’t need an online check in on installation…) and Mark Cerny was like ‘Oh yeah, you can pop in any PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 or PS5 disc and it’ll play natively’ then I’d already be standing in line. As it is, it doesn’t do enough to be worth $700 (or $780 if you don’t have a disc drive).
It’s not only gpu upgrade which is 45% but also the upscaling so in result they can run 4k30 games at 60fps!
Don’t let disc drive alone be a deal breaker
agreed, finally someone in the comments section who isn't a complete moron who enjoys throwing away money
So don't buy it and buy a regular PS5. Plenty of people have enough money to buy the pro.
And that is your prerogative. Get a PS5 or keep the one that you already have. This is an optional console. A small percentage of the PS5 audiance will get it...The immense majority will stay on the base hardware.
The disc is a bummer but it’s a one time activation fortunately
Excellent video as usual brother.
However, I have to make a correction to something you said, i.e. that we in the the UK pay more.
It seems like we do, because of the exchange rate, but people don’t factor in that our prices include all associated TAX as well.
Whereas the US, they will have to pay TAX in addition to the $700 price, therefore the cost is almost identical when you consider the full price out of pocket.
You know... I don't get what the big deal is. Adjusting for inflation, the pro isn't more expensive than game consoles years ago. Ps1 would now be $650, sega saturn at $820, Xbox 360 at $660, ps3 20gb at $800. $699 is average. At least it's not like the 60gb ps3 at a wopping $960 in today's money. And that didn't offer any performance improvements.
The PS5 pro is a premium luxury that has better performance. It's not cheap, it's not overpriced, it's just normal.
Now, some people will point out the reason why 799 is too much is because the base ps5 is half that price. But that's because consoles have never been as cheap as they are today because Sony, as well as many other manufactures in recent years, just eat the cost, even make a loss for every system sold and make up for it through software sales. So when they release a more expensive system for cheap, since profits are determined by software, not the hardware, how would that make more money than what the base PS5 couldn't do in the first place? The PS5 Pro needs to either actually make money for each sale, or at the very least, lose less money than the standard PS5 in order to justify its existence.
Fantastic video NX. You are one of the better channels on RUclips. Explains well and focuses on what the aim with the tech is.
So many RUclipsrs right now are only clout farming in regards of the ps5 pro talking mostly rubbish and it's insanely boring and tiring.
This was a breath of fresh air.
I'm actually more interested in the pro now than before I watched your video :)
This was a great video, thank you so much for explaining everything so well. A lot of misinformation online right now so I’ll be sharing this out!
expensive? Compared to what? what product has this power and performance and is cheaper?
With great power comes a great price... but no vertical stand...
...and disc drive.
@@Durka-Durka01 And the PRO gamepad. That costs 200 bucks. That was a doozy.
Sony saw the new $600 Series X (with on upgrades) and got comfortable. At least this PS5 Pro has some upgrades for the extra money.
Thank you RUclips algorithm for bringing me to this gentleman that seriously knows his stuff! Subscribed!
I mean, i want it, but in the UK a PS5 Pro, disc drive and the stand costs .... $1077. it sucks that uk always get the most shafted. That being said, this is not a Sony problem, this is 2024 inflation, worldwirde across all products. $699 for this perfomance is still likely the best money can buy. A $699 PC isnt going to hit this level of fidelity.
I highly doubt the scalpers will win this time. This won’t have nearly the demand of PS5 at launch. Finding a Pro should be easy.
Don’t underestimate the will of some people who actually want to burn their money.
It’s close to holidays and they will obviously produce way less of them so it will still be difficult to find
Won't have hardly any demand, scalpers will test the waters at first and once they realize they can't shed their inventory, the scalping will be a brief moment in time
Huh? This is a niche product by design, so why do people keep comparing it to the PS5?
@@khalidamajoud4114 did you actually read what I wrote
You guys really need to quit whining about the price in USA and England for the Pro though as locally in Australia it will be $1199 for base version and $1,349 if you add the drive lol.
Now that is insanity as a 4060 laptop is only around that same money in sales.
No man’s sky should have a ps5pro patch and look ridiculously good…in vr to
The (assumed) boost in vr is most exciting to me
Pre-orders are 26th September for PlayStation Direct. 10th October for all other retailers.
I'm buying it, just as PC gamers buy 4090s and some. The upgrades are subjective. Alan Wake 2 and FF Rebirth are awesome to get new upgrades. I look forward to FF16 getting a 5 Pro update as well. Get get what you pay for, and this is more worth it than PS4 Pro
Very well said! So much hate today but your outlook is the correct one
Yeah, you buy what you want in the end. One time I thought I would, but I won't. I don't want to send the wrong message. I wouldn't agree with the last sentence. PS4 Pro was twice the power than OG, not 45% and it cost the same launch to launch AFAIR.
@@TheBatosai can’t wait to play Rebirth without the blur
Thanks for this. Love your stuff. I don't watch a lot of IGN's stuff so I sometimes miss what you put out over there but I love that they got you for the job.
I think you’re underestimating the issue around the price. £800 for a disk pro is way above sensible predictions including your own already higher end £700. The enthusiasts will be put off unless there’s big wins which haven’t been shown yet and the mass market will make it a meme
Exactly, at some point if you want an enthusiast gaming machine at +800 just get a pc
@@12coco100 £800 will get you a equivalent GPU and maybe a cpu, it won’t get you a pc
The mass market doesn't understand the nuance, it's good value if we're explicitly speaking about equivalent PC performance.
@@Quazzi exactly, I think it’s a great bit of kit. I’ll def get one in time when there’s more compelling reasons but to introduce it to the world the way Sony have, very strange
@@neilranson4185 You can build a 6800 for less then a ps5 pro
First I laughed. Then I was indifferent. Then I ordered the disc drive before it sells out.
I wished it was cheaper. But from a manufacturing and distribution standpoint having the covers, disc drive, and stand, all be compatible between the Slim and Pro is a solid decision.
I wished it had PS Link (Pulse Explore earbuds are great) built in or new hardware to connect the Portal directly instead of wi-fi, that would've been neat, even if the Portal needed a revision.
Time is money, I'd rather enjoy higher quality time with the PS5 pro than skip it. Looking forward!
The Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 is the undisputed best graphics card for gaming right now. It's also the most expensive, coming in at more than $2,000. For a GPU. That's more money than you'd typically pay for prebuilt gaming PCs.
And it still makes use of dlss. People don’t understand what it would actually take to run some of these games on raw gpu power alone. PSSR is gonna be a game changer going forward. I wouldn’t doubt the ps6 having a dedicated unit just to handle it.
@@rikokane Want to join the PC master race?
Then how about starting with...
The Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 is the undisputed best graphics card for gaming right now. It's also the most expensive, coming in at more than $2,000. For a GPU. That's more money than you'd typically pay for prebuilt gaming PCs.
Or if you're into high-end console gaming, you can now look forward to the newly announced 2TB PS5pro for $699.99 with the option to add an $80 hard drive, of course
But if you're in the market for something more economical, then I am happy to announce that the market has just the devices for you in the Playstation 5 and Xbox series X starting at $499.99.
And if those aren't within your budget, then I am also happy to announce that we have something much cheaper in the kids department called the Nintendo switch, at $299.99 with its rich catalog of Nintendo games, the Nintendo switch is an easy for many aspiring to be gamers and casuals alike. I am sure you will love this option just as much, if not more, then all the other options.
With so many options available, it's safe to say that it's a great time to be a gamer.
It’s also grossly overpriced. Your point?
@@oktusprime3637 ok just build a equivalent gaming pc for less than ps5 pro. Problem solved right
@oktusprime3637 you don't have to get it. You can just keep it moving. No one is pointing a grossly gun at your top fam.
Let's all also remember that the 2 TB Xbox series x goes for $600 and the 2 TB PlayStation 5 pro goes for $700. Makes sense to me
Shilling for PlayStation won’t get you the pro for free bud
@@Entertainment-ev6oblol so many Xbots out in force this week.
If one of the highest rated games of all time wasn't enough, now the Pro has got the tears pouring.
@@PixelBaller I own a ps5 dipshit. I’m just not on my knees for a billion dollar corporation 🤣
@@Entertainment-ev6ob I can afford it. I don't need it for free lol also, most predictions are putting the PlayStation 6 release 3 years from now. So if you take that $700 and divide it by three that's roughly $233 a year, and then you take that and divide it by 12 months. That's roughly 20 bucks a month... Are you telling me a grown ass adult can't afford $20 a month? You telling me you don't got 20 bucks in your pocket? 🤔
Stop hating! Clown pro day 1@@Entertainment-ev6ob
Many thanks, NX, for this great summary. I'm still very impressed by your high level of technical knowledge. Is is so great to learn things with all your videos! :)
The biggest question on everyone's lips wasn't even hinted at. Will Knack 3 be installed for free on PS5 Pro?
Only Astro Playroom
Fantastic video, great insights from someone who knows what he‘s talking about.
Already got the disc drive and let‘s hope that preorders will stay in stock and not sell out after minutes!
Wow NX Gamer🎯💯 you hit the nail in the head with the $700 price almost a year ago! Love the tech talk you bring us each and every time. Thank you NX GAMER! ✌️
Comparing with the $600 Series X 2TB with no improvements this doesnt seem so bad BUT the presentation just was pretty bad. Why have the vertical stand even in the press release when you have to put a asterisk saying sold separately seems so out of touch. They could have also promoted the 2TB better.
Great video. Not a youtube sensationalist. Xbox series X 2TB is 599 lol, PC’s will cost 1000+. Switch OLED using Wii U tech is 300+. PS5 Pro isnt overcharging
Great console. Terrible packaging. In Canada, $959 before tax and without a disc drive or stand?? Lol jesus… I love my PS5 and have for years but I’ll stick to my 7900xt PC I guess.
In my country it will be around 1000+ € including separate Disc Drive and maybe a Stand...
Yup! Same here mate, I AB its over $1000 after tax. I'm gonna keep my ps5 base and my 6950XT
The ones complaining about the price are the same ones that go out and buy a new $1k+ iPhone or Android every year or two, and there are only minimal upgrades made to the damn phone... let's be real, you buy a console, and you keep it for the generations 7-year life cycle in most cases. You can't say the same for the phone in your pocket 😂 it's for enthusiasts
Not for me - happy with my £200 android phone with amoled 120hz display for last 3 years. I'm just not feeling drawn to getting the extra performance for such a high costing. Its also unclear what benefits the boost mode will bring to titles outside of Sony exclusives.
I don't think consoles market to enthusiasts whatsoever, they'll just buy a PC. At the end of the day, it's still a very mediocre GPU, especially for 4k.
I use 250$ phones for 3-4 years. pls shut up, enough nonsense.
LOL not really, I buy mid-range phones and switch up every 3-4 years because they are full of memory or running like garbage because of the increasing bloating of android or app developers not optimizing their apps wanting the higher specs new phones to brute force it.
The sales stats from just Samsung and Apple would say you guys are in the minority of people in this example. Even then, people still hold on to their consoles for 7+ years making the price/performance/year a good bargin.
Interesting to know that PSSR was done by the ICE team at Naughty Dog. They're one of the best tech devs out there.
I think it's a fair price, i am a pc gamer, so maybe im just used to dropping a lot on a gpu to game at 4k. I don't mind the price. The no disc drive doesn't bother me. i haven't had one on any of my computers for a long time, lol. I'll probably pre-order one.
Was waiting for you take
Good video but I could swear there was a hissing sound throughout. Recording next to a desktop pc with fans spinning hard?
Lets GO NXG!
Some games share the exact same feature set between fidelity mode and performance mode. For example a game in fidelity mode might be rendering native 4K at 30fps while the performance mode is rendering the same feature set but at 1080p 60fps. With the PS5 Pro you can take that 1080p image and use the additional GPU performance to add more effects and add ray tracing while rendering that 1080p image in the same frame time. Now you can use PSSR to upscale that to 4K. The end result is 4K 60 with more effects and ray tracing while the fidelity mode on the base PS5 is 4K 30fps with less effects and no ray tracing. That is a big step up.
Price has no limits
@@nufrequency84No you're thinking of xbox
For the Payers
Marketing a PS5 Pro might be difficult when the graphical fidelity differences might be difficult to show otherwise than in person and, ideally, side by side with a PS5 version.
That said, I'm vers skeptical about the promise here (Quality mode or even slightly better at 60 fps).
In performance mode a lot of games sometimes fall into the 40fps because of the CPU. I'm affraid it won't be vers different here
Great insight and info I think alot of PC gamers are underestimating the Ps4 pro
I’ll buy one;
it’s pretty much what we (people who it’s targeted to) was expecting;
Gt7 and GTA 6, can’t wait to play
(I want to know the psvr2 enhancements though, wish they talked about that)
😂
Hey Michael, have you been to the recent hands-on PS5 Pro demonstration? Are you still working with or for IGN?
I noticed lately they may have been pushing you out of the Tech and Performance coverage - and if so, I'm sorry, you did a fantastic job out there this year!
They should have had a new game to show playing on it instead of PS4 ports..
Funny that tlou2 at 4k still looks better than anything else
Horizon Burning Shores, Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man 2, Returnal, but they also showed the new Assansins Creed , Alan Wake 2......we're you watching with your eyes closed. These are all next gen only.
@@HiCZoK ye right Lmao
If you account for inflation, it around $60 more than the original PS5. One you get a disk drive, the other you get 2TB of storage. It was NEVER going to be lower that $649 imo.
its actually 17 teraflops and not 32?
💯 FACTS
I swear the gaming community has some of the biggest pocket watches I've ever seen.... You'd think this was the only ps5 on the market, if they don't like it don't buy it.. it's that simple.
It'll perform better than a PC built from scratch for the same price.
Lmfao these fan girls are hilarious
That's how consoles have been since the 8bit era, I don't understand making this statement. Was it supposed to be a gotcha or "Haha, PC Sucks"
PCs do a lot more than a PS5
That's like half the reasons consoles still exist.
@@Entertainment-ev6ob From my build list: I can build a complete PC with a Ryzen 5600, 32GB RAM, and Radeon 6750XT (Raster equivalent of a 4060 Ti) for ~$785 right now. And that's a machine whose GPU I can upgrade. I waited for this PS5 announcement and _clearly_ buying a PS5 makes absolutely no sense for me.
@@noobsaibot7108 esa PC tiene PSSR? Rdna4 raytracing?
Do you have any ideia how this could affect more competitive games where the FPS are push to the limit (120FPS) like call of duty and Warzone?
price in aud will be close to 1099, 1349 with stand and disk drive i guess. Helped a mate get a 7600 + 4070 new build recently, local price was ~1450. The Pro will give 4070 raytracing and if we did the new pc with old zen2 it would have been less so i guess its same bang for same bucks in terms of silicon.
@@foxdart people keep talking about ray tracing like it’s super common on console. It’s not. Raster performance is most important and it’s roughly a 3070 Ti in pure raster, which is fine
And the legend is already here with his words of wisdom to enlighten us 😎
Still cheaper than gpus. Still cheaper than ps3 lol which would be 950 with inflation. I am getting it regardless. Already ordered the drive. For me it’s worth it
Internet's reaction to PS5 Pro is just sad. I am losing faith in humanity.
"PS5 Pro uses the new advanced RT feature sets that AMD created as the next step in their roadmap architecture," Mark Cerny told CNET.
"There are no other AMD GPUs that use it yet. We motivated the development, and I'm very happy we did so -- the response from the developers has been extraordinarily great."
"Other enhancements include PS5 Pro Game Boost, which can stabilize or improve the performance of more than 8,500 backward compatible PS4 games and the entire PS5 library."
Sony have gone insane
Let's go
2:15 I ordered a drive for the PS5 Pro 5 today. And hope to get the system on launch day.
I ordered the drive as well. I highly doubt it will be hard to find a Pro at launch. This won’t be a PS5 worldwide scalper situation again
I bet you guys bought Concord as well 😂
@@DimaShortPlay anyone who bought Concord got a full refund
Same here! Funnily enough the drive went right out of stock after I ordered
@@DimaShortPlayI bet you play Starflop 😂
Great video! So many haters online about this product. This is actually going to be amazing at giving gamers mostly what they want. The thing is, they wanted the PS5 basically to be this product. However, AI upscaling wasn't in the cards at the time. So we get it mid gen. This is a really cool product from a hardware standpoint, and exciting for the future on how great the PS6 could potentially be for UE5 games.
I don't expect this to sell well. The PS4 Pro supposedly made up 8% of all PS4 sales and that launched at the same price as the PS4 did at launch. This is $300 over that price so expect even fewer people to purchase
@@crestofhonor2349 good call. Yes this is as niche as it gets. It’s cool that it exists if you take away the price. But the price is real, and it’s starting to get close to a good pc prices.
@@crestofhonor2349because most of the core ps4 gamers had only FullHD/1080p TV or monitors. Good 4k TV did cost over 1000 at that time still, 4k gaming monitors also super expensive
Reddit and RUclips comments on this reveal has been giving me migraines.
So nice to have a sober, realistic and positive analysis.
Day 1. I can’t wait for it.
I wonder what this means for ps6. If they want to improve gpu performance over ps5 pro they will need to ask the same price because at 500 $ it will perform the same at best.
Floated this upgrade past my wife today....got the look of a pissed Phil Spencer from her. Looks like it's PS6 in three years for me 😮😮
I don't give a dam. I'm not paying that much for a console with the same graphics.
They have gone full apple, has it been confirmed you even get a plug or is that extra now.
Thanks for analysis Michael. Can you predict what ps6 could bring to table?
13:34 Spider-Man Rift Apart...didn't know they came out with that one 😛
CNET actually got invited to Sony to see it live and they said there are 50 plus enhanced titles at launch and the disc drive is the same as the slim so if anyone already has a slim they can use that one apparently which would be a saving for some.
It also comes with 2 TB which is pretty cool as most people already have at least a 2TB expansion as they were so cheap.
There is no word of enhanced textures over base PS5 either so games may not really take up all that much more space is my guess.
Thanks Michael, a well structured and measured analysis of the announcement. Whilst the PS5 Pro will clearly be a step up from the base console, I do wonder how many casual users will think it worthwhile investing (particularly with the price premium vs the standard PS5). Apparently stats for the PS4 Pro after launch show it sold 20:80 compared to the PS4 slim, and I have a feeling the PS5 Pro will be lower than that - not just based on the price, but also the perception of what value the updated console will give consumers vs the base model. I just don't think there is that step up in visible technical performance that you got going from PS4 to PS4 Pro, especially with the launch and uptake of 4K TVs around that time.
The video game market in general has bucked the trend when it comes to inflation-based price increases - especially with the games. Who else remembers Turok launching on the N64 for £65? And I certainly remember buying FIFA98 for £55 from good ol' Woolies when it came out! With the cost of game development sky rocketing in recent years, I guess the margins just aren't there any more to heavily subsidise the console cost, hence we are starting to see the prices increase to reflect what they theoretically should be (the £300 cost for the PS1 in 1995 equates to £720 in 2024 taking inflation into account).
The lack of disc-drive from the core PS5 Pro is pretty galling, and if I were to upgrade (which I am in 2 minds about currently - I will certainly wait until the new year and see where everything sits), I am unsure if I would pay the additional for the few games I do own physically now as well as a limited number of blu-rays and 4k blu-rays. I would like Sony to provide the option of a bundled console, even if it does cost a bit more.
Ultimately it's a niche product for a select core of gamers, and sales will reflect that. My only concern is how this will reflect in the price of the Playstation 6 when Sony decides to launch in a few years time..
Nx Gamer aka Geoff Keighley of games performance comparison RUclipsr.
While I understand the disappointment over the price, I expect the PS5 Pro to do well enough. The same grumbles from games press accompanied the PS4 Pro, which turned out to be a great machine.
It’s pretty much what I wanted and expected, games at 60fps looking closer to fidelity modes.
That 2/3rds of gamers opting for performance modes will inform devs when it comes to speccing forthcoming projects.
And yeah… GTA5 might well wind up running at 30fps, but gamers won’t like it. Although perhaps offering 40fps modes may well become the concession where cpu does become the limiting factor.
The difference with Apple is you can buy some of their most popular items with a contract so you can pay over 2 years. Even with a trade in of the PS5 it's more expensive than the launch price of the PS5
you cant play games on apple
Is the psvr2 have any improvements with the PlayStation pro?
They said so yeah, with pssr through a patch
“Please buy the external drive to send sony the message that they can do a ton of money not including a drive in their next console”
Amazing content as always Michael. The $700 will be a hard pill to swallow but the specs back them. Just with the 2tb internal ssd we knew it was gonna be expensive, well to get a second job it is then 😂
I wonder what hdmi 2.1 bandwidth going to be? The base PS5 is 32Gbps. Will the Pro also have a better VRR range?
sony. no.
I have a feeling it will have a better range.
Even if the vrr range is expanded, I'm hoping for at least 40gb like Serues X. Dropping to 4:2:2 chroma for 120hz is noticeable compared to RGB or 4:4:4. It would also help those with tvs that don't switch HDMI black level correctly because it wouldn't occur.