BET RAISE FOLD: The Story of Online Poker FULL MOVIE - Online Poker Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- BET RAISE FOLD: The Story of Online Poker is a feature documentary that follows a new generation of internet poker professionals during the meteoric rise and sudden crash of the multibillion-dollar online poker industry of the 2000s.
For millions of young people, online poker was more than a game, it was a lifestyle. It was an opportunity to live completely outside the system, discover your true identity and get rich doing something you truly love. All the elements that made poker such an integral part of American culture throughout history were found in online poker, and these 21st-century poker mavericks helped launch the game into an exciting new era. But everything changed on "Black Friday", April 15th, 2011, when the US Department of Justice unsealed indictments against the major US-facing online poker sites and shut down online poker in America. Suddenly, these online poker professionals weren’t mavericks. They were outlaws.
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Alot of people became millionaires playing online poker and alot of prople lost everything they had plying online poker but when it first started it was alot of fun you couldnt stop playing you could make money just sitting in your chair at home in your bed cloths but it also became addictive i couldnt get anything done id never sleep id play all day long and all night long
2007 played.my first MTT on party poker. Literally was taking a dump on the toilet, reading about rebuy MTTs while registered. I ended up 2nd. There were pros in the tournies like SCTrojans, but most of the field was like totally oblivious to poker. But young and poor money management. Didn't read about money management. Had a lot of fun playing basically full time and working full time at the same time. But was unlucky in a lot of crucial spots and couldn't sustain unfortunately. Played 109s and 55$ and a lot of tables with not such a huge roll. Had the insight and IQ but needed a little bit more discipline in money management and I could have sustained and maybe even make it career. But alas.. I also had more interests and it was stressful and time consuming as well. To be honest, the MTT grind is really tough, and cashgames super easy. But also super boring, whereas MTTs just gave that competitive rush.
So many people hosted illegal clubs and they made so much money off players
In 2015 in pokerstars in from romania , i was unemployed and i borrow 20$ in same night i play and make 13,000$ dollars that was insane , that borrow money and torunament satelite with 1.10$ won 55$ ticket and won this money it was insane ofcorse i lost the money on atupid things and bad habbits and surrounding by negativity and not being understood about playng tournaments and pay also taxes to government and participate and win and play casualy it shuld be legal guys wtf goverment is fucking around thry shuld allow and also , skilled game make more youth some important money some solve some serious issues like health or help a loved one with that miney prize and also pay taxes why is not something ilega it shuld be legal its a conpetition the best shal win and run good.
@@Wakeupyouu Yes for sure a lot of uncertainty with taxes. In my country it also changed each year. There were court battles with players and government. Sometimes people had to pay back large sums. They were hunting poker pros specifically. A lot of uncertainty and stress doesn't help .
Too many fcn adds
Small time player on FullTilt poker back then when they froze my bankroll of about $400. I thought I would never see that money again but I did get it all back. I wish they would allow internet poker back again. The FullTilt scandal really hurt online poker and I miss it a lot. Grinding it out everyday for a few dollars.
Bring. Back this era of Poker 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I was born in 1954 and when people in the 60s asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up I always said, an online poker player.
😂😂😂
You were ahead of your time
Ah back in those days i was an online pro poker player already! i was the best!
How did you foresee that it would become such a big thing? Was real-life poker a big deal back then?
Bull...
Can't believe this video doesn't have 100,000+ views.. very interesting so far!
Let's give it a few more minutes...
repeat watching please! lol
It is an old documentaryy that most people have seen plenty of times already....thought it is good enough to watch again and reminisce. :P
its like 15 years old doc :D
There were more views, but apparently Full Tilt was using them for expenses.
3x bracelet winner Dutch Boyd said most go broke, extremely tough gig.
Man this video brought back memories of the good old days of online poker! My biggest moment was when I took down Chris Moneymaker in a $500 sit and go!
lol, Moneymaker.
I played live cash game with Chris in Tunica. I felted him one day. The next day every time I opened a pot he raised me $50. He out monied me. lol
@@anthonyfoutch3152I played with him in Tunica right after he won the WSOP He ran over the 10-20 PL hold ‘em game at the Grand I will say he was still running very good. Not playing real well but hitting everything
i took moneymaker for $150 in an omaha cash game
I beat Moneymaker's mom's chicken's cousin at tic-tac-toe at the state fair in 08. He had some good moves but my perfect GTO strategy was too much for him and I won in best of 24.
44:44 "You too" one of the most insincere
hugs you will ever see. Cold and detached.
RIP Mike Sexton
Crying out for a where are they now/ part 2
Today 99% of those people busted out and are either working a real job or living on the street.
Not even remotely close to accurate.
Stick to talking about subjects you actually know. 👍
Lol, not at all. You have no clue.
@@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid You're wrong: What percentage of poker players make a living?
What Percentage of Poker Players Are Winners? (2023 ...
It is likely that only around 30% of poker players are winners over the long term. And only about 10% are significant winners (i.e. make a meaningful side income or can consider going pro).
Most are broke! @@davidpatry4195
Just google any name of the people in the video lol
Bitar took a check to take the fall while Lederer, Jesus, etc left with untolds amount of millions. should be a movie.
no wonder you don't see them play anymore. they would give a very bad vibe
I wouldn't be surprised if some of those guys meet a bad end one day. People do crazy stuff over way less.
would be a great netflix untold!
27 years old who looks 45
You mum mate
Having looked upto and respected the players who set Full tilt up, then just shat on people, I feel ripped off as well. Here in NZ, when the US Government interferred in 2009 it didnt really affect us. Now watching this, if I saw correctly, $3-$400m of players money was taken by the owners with nothing being paid back to the players? If so that is beyond belief.
Yes the owners of full tilt were and still are criminals, how they are allowed to play in regulated casinos blows my mind... In the end the American players got paid, well they got paid if they used their real name, had an audit, then paid taxes on the winnings, the cheaters that used fake names on multiple accounts forfeited a lot of money to US government... I still miss the American fish...
So even if u won u lost, funny. ironical.
PokerStars bought FullTilt and payed players back. Look it up.
Poker is such a nice game, was pretty good at it, but i let real life consume my poker time, and when you are exhausted can really play such a brain power game.
I honestly don't understand how ppl can process and play that fast to play 4 tables and more at once. I play 2-3 tables at once and I'm feeling rushed, unbalanced, not realizing which hands are which at times, making quick calls/folds, and most times time clock running out on me because of a tough decision on one of the 2 or 3 games. So props to who can do 4 and more tables at once. You're maniacs.
90% of decisions are easy so it’s mechanical. Sounds like you need to spend more time off the table studying than at the table playing, for now. Good luck!
@@Gibraltariano Nah. You're simplifying dude and making a judgement without knowing his experience. It's mechanical TO YOU. You are not everyone. He makes a valid point.
@@aiconic10 You dont get playable hands at all the tables at the same time, So how is it difficult to play 4 tables ? I always played between 15 to 25 tables at the same time and even then there were lots of times i was just waiting for hands, maybe you just slow
@@aiconic10 Eh?! OP said he doesn’t “understand how ppl can process and play that fast to play 4 tables and more at once.” I just explained how they do so. I also went further and advised how he can get to a position where he can can also do so. I don’t get your point?
srsly?
There are people who are alcoholics they tried to ban alcohol it did not work. When a small portion of the population have a problem with anything it is not an excuse to ban anything. Addicts have to take responsibility with their own issues and actions no one has the right to make things illegal.
there is a video in your ad
Online poker is bigger now than ever before. Asia market has exploded.
Unless you are in Australia .. we are still in a Poker black hole
What sites?
@@gappuma7883ggpoker
"The tough part to losing 800K isn't the loss of 800K, the tough part is that it makes you question your ability to make money beating the games in the future" ~Paraphrase Phil Galfond
I agree 100000%. Sorry for the butchered paraphrase but Galfond really does have a way with words. It's much more than that though. He describes things like nobody else can or at least does.
he's a really solid mindset coach.
who makes you risk that money it’s discipline poker teach you to be disciplined or be wild and unprepared to lose that
Turns out one of the best decisions i've made in life was not getting involved in online poker.
young chewy was not something i expected lol
Don't give the channel the credit for this doc. OG Jay Rosenkrantz made this ten some years ago.
Who cares.
@@derekgleeson1353 credit is due
It said who made it at the start and the end, dunno how else they’re supposed to give credit?
@@dylanr8481 Did they put it anywhere to see it? This is the first time, very enjoyable and very enlightening.
16:39 is that dan smith at the left side?
I feel like I've had to skip as much time in ads as I've been watching the actual video so far. Turn down your ad frequency plz
Great documentary!
When was this produced?
Phil Ivey; the Tiger Woods of Poker. Man still drips game.
Thanks for the nostalgia, great memories ♠️♥️♣️♦️
i won that tournament next year
Oh look, Mr. Negreanu 44:30
"i'd like to be sponsored by Full Tilt Poker".....well that aged well
And anyone sponsor by full tilt needs pay that money-back like phil ivey got pay like 900k a month
One thing I would do if I got in a time machine is go back to 2011 and stop the government from shutting down online poker. I would then immediately buy and hodl a ton of worthless bitcoin.
Why not 2009
I don't understand why ALL of the owners of Full Tilt Poker are not in prison serving life sentences???
Because no one gets punished for white collar crime
@@thesorrow88accurate
I remember when the FEDS Shut Down Online Poker this Country Cant Control its borders but can Shut Down Online Poker!!!!!!!
Great documentary. It confirms what I already knew… Tony Dunst is the sh*t.
Also good to see my home state (MN) represented.
24:23 is that louis theroux (?)
outstanding docu. I had no idea it was banned in the US and still!?
This doc is now quite a few years old. While there are a few individual states who have legalized online poker, it is widely still unregulated. Notice, I said unregulated and not banned. There are unregulated sites you can play on but be aware that something similar to what happened in this doc could happen. What is illegal is for banks to accept money transactions for gambling purposes.
It makes me sad full tilt and ultimate bet ruined online poker. I don’t think it will ever be federally legal, and that’s sad 😔 . I know at any moment the government could step in again from the offshore sites. I live in a US state where it’s not regulated. There’s only 6 states of 50 where it’s legal 😭. We need regulation. The government gets their taxes. They should want to legalize it.
Online poker is spending money to get state to pass legalization on reps
When was it recorded?
2013
Between 2010-2012 I’m pretty sure. The beginning looks like a year before Black Friday. And the end of the docu is a year after Black Friday.
Update. Most players lost all their cash in the crackdown
Is that an old documentary ? It doesnt talk about the recent solver aera which, in my opinion, changed the game as much as the way black friday did.
what was that?
What games got tougher?
any one watching peperorno after this to?
I love how they Complain "Fuck My Life" while getting paid to play cards.
How do these onlinepro featuring this document do these days? I would assume most of them are broke or doing something else.
The guys featured here are mainly millionaires now, although in general most lose obvs
I've seen three online pro's so far. I know two of them. Both are literal millonaires if not multi-millionaires and still playing actively so your assumption is pretty off.
Tony Dunst is currently deep in the WSOP main event ayt the moment.
@ichmagheringway8 44:19 9 Most are broke or serving tables!😅
I'm just reading the comments, how many donks there are, it's scary like they all failed lol
Who puts his money on a online poker room is ... even if there is 100 % legit play, someone can have other players helping the player, how can u know ? Using 3th party programs... super users..
Ah 2011 when we were naive enough to believe that a big bussines could actually be owned by independent folks
Oh, we've seen the flop.
Was poker so easy back then because recreational players wouldn’t fold?
Yes but also they’d call three streets with bottom pair
@@amazingabby25 People would also bet and instantly fold to pressure on many rivers.
Playing blockers back then was a powerful thing.
Bottom line, people didn't think of lines of how to play certain scenarios.
The stack a donk line also netted more money than US Steel.
yes ask phil helmonth. how you think he got them bracelets
I get it. Online funds were frozen. I get it, people lost money.
Why does Danielle have to spend 2 grand to fly to LA when there's best bet in Florida, atlantic city , horseshoe in Maryland. Seems like a little mommy vaca to me. And it probably wouldn't hurt if she smiled atleast once in a while😊. Geez waaaAH
the real scam...
Even if you sit down on a full table nowadays, you aren't playing against single opponents --- you are playing against teams! Highly professionals that are out for your money!
just wait i said, how can u know u are playing alone vs other players fairly ?.. never.
@@TGSM19you can tell if two people are colluding against you. I sent global poker an email about two people i suspected were collabing. Global confined they were cheating. An experienced poker player can tell when you’re being colluded against.
at least help your wife with all that luggage ...good lord man, where are your manners
10:40 I find that poker sucks up most of my time...
I deposited $100 dollars on Ultimate Bet. Eight months later I had $982. Then came black Friday. Never got a dime back. I swore if I ever saw Phil H any where I would punch him in the mouth. I live in Las Vegas. Just a matter of time...........
You need someone to help you walk through what you just said.
How in denial everyone was....I was one of the people screaming that it was all a scam; everyone told me I was nuts. "You have to expect more bad beats playing online, you get more hands!" is what I kept hearing. However I had been playing live for about 4 years before online came around; and I had never seen close to the amount of shady crap I saw weekly online. Between bots, superuser accounts and collusion, how people thought they were going to make money....on top of that, it turns out the people running the sites were crooks. They made people believe their deposits were "safe and secure." People thought that all deposits were sitting in accounts waiting to be withdrawn; when in fact the sites (Full Tilt in particular) were using an algorithm to determine daily cash-outs vs deposits and only keeping enough on hand to cover discrepancies. The rest went to the owners. That's why they couldn't pay out when they shut down.
What? How I have played since 2013 and I have been a winner in the game since 2015. I dont play to high but nl50-nl100usd/euro tables. You dont have any proof , if you did you could show that things happen to often because you know how often it should happen. You are just a normal human bad feeling and knowledge of probability theory
Played thousands games online and my worst bad beat is still in live poker , flopped quads holding a 88 and lost to river quads Flop 8Q8 he was holding QQ Rivered a Q brrrrrr ....and that was over 35 years ago , since then turned $50 deposit online into 27k over a couple years so no complaints here ( except Australia sucks and we cant play online now ) :(
@@Nobody0512 U sucked out on the flop. Then he sucked out on the river. Big deal
I played from 2007 to Black Friday on full tilt and poker stars and I made so much money. I didn't even have to work for four years . Lol. Sounds like somebody just sucks at poker
Online poker isn’t poker! It’s computer nonsense which opens players to scams.
Trying to play pro poker is a bad idea. Having a job gives you stability. Not having one leaves you vulnerable. Glad you went to school. You have something to fall back on. Your peers? Not so much.
poker became a great side hustle / hobby, and a horrible "profession" in my opinion.
stability is not worth nearly as much as freedom and love for what you do
i worked a fulltime job and played poker as a Hobby < turned $50 deposit into 27k
most peoples Hobbies cost em $$ mine was well paid for a side hustle :)
I average 7k a month playing poker the past 2 years I play online when I want, travel when I want, sleep as late as I want. Nobody tells me how to live but me
You must have great bankroll management alot of poker pros dont!!@@Satoshiisnaruto
do you like horses?
Neigh.....
Sure, grinding online is big happiness... pfff
18:37 Phil was cheating, a chip falls out of his pocket.
I saw that
Could have been a souvenir chip form a cash games. Or even an animated chip they were putting over the screen as an effect. Didn’t even look like a real chip.
Did you produce this documentary?
It came out ten years ago.
Read the titles
no i didnt
no its easier to copy and paste these days
Man this is a great documentary. But these people sound like such addicts
is it evil that @ 1:08:22 to have a urge see a golf club or sword swong full force at the cranium of the animal that came into frame intentionally to seek command all attention shelfishly by rudely interupting and obstructing by physicly sitting on purpose to distract all focus an interupt by force just for stupid littele attention disregarding and disrespecfully getting in the way of whats going on like a little fool allowing it self lose control so easily an quickly like its jeleasly is the most important above all in that room making it behave cowardly desprate knowing it ant be ignored by getting in the way on purpose knowing whats going on has an importance but cannot help interuprt craving the attention no matter the consequensr physical even so it be fair to come i that moment an reward such desires with a golf club swiing aat its dome real quick or a NFL punt kicker go at it straight at it dome be funny to watch just cause the dumb face it makes on purpose makes sense to aknoowledge with a dumber reward like the curiosity that killed the cat hahahah oh man im messed up
GD GQP.
If you enjoy playing against superusers who can see your cards just play online.
Nobody can see your cards man, dont be so paranoide.
Sure they can
@@rlsupab Ok AK player.
poker = brain damage
Lol how Americans gamble there are no Americans they are all europeans
moneymaker is not even around anymore got lucky 1 x, ivey should have won that one.
he played wsop 2023 wth you talking about
@@cali_cal irrelevant ... did he ever finish in top 100 ? no.
@@TGSM19 he still around
...the video did a remarkable job of demonizing Republicans...however...the shutdown of online poker was because of what was happening in the 'backroom' of Fulltilt poker...there was no way to regulate it...also the video didn't even touch the cheating going on at other poker sites...so before cursing the likes of Republicans...remember...they were only trying to protect the players...also what does Danielle's husband contribute to the relationship?...
i didn't like you till your last sentence ;p
Her husband, Kory, teaches at Liberty High and is the offensive line coach/run-game coordinator for the Patriots’ nationally ranked football team.
You are delusional as all hell if you think they wanted to protect players. There were two reasons for the ban: 1) stop money laundering 2) drive revenue to the casinos, and everyone knows what really "convinced" the republicans.
@@fbpo1699 ...stopping money laundering is a bad thing?...
America government feels the need to tell other countries and companies how to operate... Rightfully the Republicans were demonized for subverting democracy in the USA, let alone sovereign nations...
Full tilt, cheaters . Global poker, cheaters
Online poker is a scam. For sure. Stats, skills and % are fucked up.
Great documentary!
Just a small detail everyone seems to forget: pokerstars and full tilt stopped. THEN, 1 or 2 days later they came back. Suspicious I cashout my money (10k) and ONLY THEN came April 15, 2011. Compared to so many, 10k isn't a lot but damn, I was so happy to be paranoid... Also, lesson learned: I am still a poker pro and I NEVER leave too much money on the poker rooms.
Good advice, especially with that pro at the WSOP who said Bellagio drilled his box and stole all his money and said he won't be able to get it back
I remember around that time. There was a strike and people sat at the table and not play or was that something else?
@@jimbojones9118drilled how?
Online poker is one of the most fraudulent internet entities in all of history because of it's rigged poker software. Period. Online poker is and always has been an abomination to the game of Texas Hold'em and all other kind of player vs. player poker. Online Hold'Em could be a beautiful thing, but no, they had to rig it for action. I hope the owners suffer in their next live/s for this fraudulent transgression.
i learned right away that "online" computer was plain ole gambling. no skill and I was skeptical.. so the very small percentage of winners make it sound like it was real...its literally the odds of winning the lottery..
There is tons of skill, just HUDs ruined online poker - made it more of a data mining game vs. memory
@@jimbojones9118 people still user HUDs?
how the hell do they control people that cheat online games
Just play low stakes, nobody will bother cheating and spending hours playing poker to win maybe 5$ a week.
They don't, that is the rub. You loose over time and cannot understand why, but you still loose to anonymous people
@@stephenbraverman4484 why bother to comment when you have no clue?
Poker is a social game. Your generation does not know how to do that. You are too busy looking at your phone or tablet.
@@stephenbraverman4484what did you type this comment on? 😂
i was an online/live pro from 2003-2013, poker is too glorified, it is just like any other job, you have to work hard and exercise extreme discipline. I was one of the lucky ones in 2012 and 2013 i had two big scores that allowed me to find my poker mexico (retire). If you are serious about beings pro, always have a main job and have poker be a side hustle untill you make 5x your salary playing poker. Ive seen the game destroy lives, only 1% get to be successful and 1% of that 1% get to find their mexico. Stay in school kids
Was indeed a pleasure to watch. Thanks.
WSOP has just aired, but it doesn't interest me. I'd rather watch old WSOP episodes, if anything. Today's poker is very boring and bland compared to the golden days (before 2010).
The level of play has far exceeded what a casual viewer can understand, sure.
Those days were definitely the most profitable, however the skill today vs 2007 or whatever is incomparable. It's great to see.
i lost $300 on full tilt. they sent me an e-mail like a year or 2 later saying i had $0.86 in my account and if i want to dispute the amount i had to send proof. I had no way to prove my balance. black friday completely de-railed my poker ambitions for almost a decade.
300$ is not the end of the world...And remember to gamble only what you can afford to lose !
I'll never forget Black Friday. I didn't even need to see the images of the fed logos. They were burned into my brain that day. Glad I now live in a state where it's legal.
I was on holiday in South Portugal, tried to play a few hands from an internet cafe and found out the whole thing - I had $800 in Full Tilt ... no big deal as such but the games were never ever as fun w/o the American players -
C'mon now! its addictive. Almost as much as religion.
Those guys who lived in that house obviously card shared and colluded themselves millions. Salute to them
I’m sure they colluded
Black Friday actually helped me. I always played live but friends talked me into joining online right before black friday. I put $300 in and lost it within a week. I put another 300 in and lost all but $37. I was down to playing the dollar day tournament and i cashed a little. Then Black Friday hit and they never took the $600 out of my account which was at like $109.
If you couldn't beat online games then you couldn't play for sh*t anyway
but the thing is right these players would be horrendus now ppl like durr improved a ton since but i have never heard ab the women so ig she not playing anymore
her names Daniel and she still around.. if you know poker you would know who she is
18 year old commenters tefering to 10 years ago as "back then" 😂
Those pros who ran Full Tilt are scum. I am surprised this documentary also skipped over the sites using the software that allowed certain players to see other players hole cards. A lot of shifty stuff went down within the online card scene. I am sure plenty more scandals will be exposed as time moves on.
Did full tilt do it? Is that why Phil ivey won so much?
USA govt says gambling is bad....USA govt sells lottery tickets.
Really do miss them days.We was in a recession so the federal government kept extending unemployment and it was so easy to make good money playing online.
When Berkey strokes Chauncey's head repeatedly, all I can think about is Austin Powers. One millllion dollarsz!!
I’d never seen Dan Harrington face.... COOL
Ferguson should be banned from poker for life,
Thank GOD its Back and Booming
Is it back and booming really?
Nowhere near the numbers and nowhere near as easy to make good money as it was back then.
Thank you
you're welcome
She became an addict at 8:58
What'd you mean?
Uhh some of the pro's who are succesfull off of your hard earned money are now playing with your money still, they should return the money of these players.
Who else misses the glory days of poker?
Here is my take on what I just saw. In the first place, I would never trust a website on any level. Poker is a sit down game and you see the cards being dealt, period. Way too much money in the website for their not to be money be taken by insiders.
In the last seen, this women leaves her home and goes off to play poker in another state, leaving her husband and child to gamble. A few months of this activity, there will be a broken home. Things happen and this man will be stuck taking care of his son while the wife is screwing around in LA.
Nothing good will come from this activity. I used to play poker in Manhattan on Tuesday night, once a week and enjoyed my life win or loose.The internet is addictive.
The internet is addictive? You mean informative? Should we break all computers and go back to smoke signals? The reality is, if thats how she chooses to live her life and support her family then so be it. If she was stock broker who had to travel around all the time for work would that be ok? If it was the man leaving to play poker to support his family would you still say that? You sound like a close minded person that is from a generation that is afraid of change. Every industry or vice has growing pains. Over zealous idealogues are the reason the laws are so screwed up.
I am from the Woodstock generation and very opened minded person. In the real world anytime a spouse leaves the home for an extended period of time thing happen. Being married is not an easy thing to do with all the pressures of everyday life. Being away is a carefree experience for either a man or a women. Especially a man. Men are more prone to temptation. Lastly, poker is not a great way to attempt to make a consistent living, unless you are Phil Ivy or his contemporarys.
@@stephenbraverman4484 here's a valid scenario for you: being stuck at home, working in a bar and being deprived of enjoying her favorite activity, the gal goes into depression, the tension leads to a divorce, husband starts drinking and they split violently multiplying the sorrows of this world.
internet is a *platform* for many things and *things* are addictive, what can you do, internet got invented and now it's everywhere, allowing for sooooooo many activities previously out of reach. maybe it's computers that are addictive? or maybe games? how about games outside of the computer, etc. how about addictions like food or air? maybe addiction is inherent to life. and final note: "screwing around in LA" - this just shows glimpses of your perception of women and the "serious shit" that everyone should be doing. i guess if she spends tons of hours playing poker there to earn money for a horse for her mother and provide a next level livelihood for her family then your concerns are purely fantastical and you've completely missed the point - people should be free to chose what they want to do, especially if a platform is already produced by some other creative people AND no thing is inherently evil, contrary to the purpose to which a human can put it into. you can kill with a knife but you can also produce food with it.
my thoughts exactly...
Jesus get to the actual story. I could care less about all of these individual stories
There are near none earning from poker regularly that are not a room owner or sponsored.
Watching this back, when she says: I think FT would be the best site