The Rise & Fall of The Poker Dream ft. Maria Konnikova | To Be Determined... Poker Documentary |
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Oscar, a low-stakes poker player who has been pushed to the fringes of an increasingly difficult industry, confronts an uncertain future within a game that often takes more than it gives.
This documentary examines the benefits and detriments baked into the pursuit of a nontraditional career, and why it can be difficult to abandon something that has defined you for so long - especially in an industry where security is elusive, but extreme wealth is possible.
Parallel to Oscar’s experience, in an effort to fully explore the tenuous line between success and failure, intermittent interview segments featuring some of poker’s biggest names describe how skill, opportunity, and endurance all factor into the creation of a sustainable poker career. These interviews give context as to how the game has changed, what “success” means in a lifestyle that’s inherently unstable, and why Oscar’s story is one small piece of a much larger one.
Presented by Solve For Why in partnership with PokerGo, this is the first feature film by Pigtails Productions.
Featuring Erik Seidel, Nick Schulman, Phil Galfond, Andrew Lichtenberger, Maria Konnikova, Matt Berkey, Christian Soto, @MarlzTV, Vanessa Selbst, and more...
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Love what you guys are doing and creating at SFY. As a former grinder who saw the ugly, Im loving what all u guys bring to the table (Connie, Christian, Landon, Melissa, and of course Matt). Although I almost never play, I still am a big consumer of poker content and study for really no purpose outside of the challenge of learning new stuff. Im sure I still suck, and would get wrecked in real games, but I root for all you guys like your my horses lol
This was really good Doc 🐢!!!! Salute to you guys!!!!
So how is Oscar doing now a few yrs later Lamanna? I’m sure I’m not the only one who is curious to know… are you guys planning on doing any sort of update on him? You should!
@@primitive7634 read the text at the end.
This was amazing. So well done, raw and honest.
Props to Oscar for agreeing to share. I'm sure he made a lot of people take a hard look at their situation too.
seriously? he obviously got paid for this or got the course for free or both
@@user-ld2fl7vv9g you are obviously just a muppet..
@@user-ld2fl7vv9g So you think he was faking it and hes not a break even player?
76 years old now I'm experiencing some health issues that make me think I really need to seriously work on my Poker game. Then this film comes into my life and shines a very bright light on my poker and my life. Like Oscar I've always glided through poker winning a few thousand each year solely relying on my natural ability great instincts and consistent good luck. When I tried to move up in stakes I always failed so instead of working and studying I just stopped trying. This film will light a fire under me! It's now or never.
Whoa
you can do it
sir this is a Wendy’s
It's never too late !
so you moved up in stakes & lost everything?? 1-800-GAMBLER
I thought this was just going to be a very generic poker documentary about the general history of the last 20 years and I'm very glad to admit I was wrong. Excellent production and Oscar was really the perfect subject of the film. I think his journey is one that is extremely familiar to a lot of us out there. Props to him for facing the reality of his situation and making the necessary steps to put himself in a better position, both mentally and financially.
As a person who tried to be a professional, its as much a grind if NOT MORE of a grind than real work. The lifestyle is awful, the food is awful, the atmosphere is awful, the people are awful, and theres a lot of stress.
Not only was this an amazing production but it was both humbling and it reminded me of why I love this game in a particularly difficult time of my poker career. Mad respect to Johnny Sins and everything he's doing over at S4Y.
Awesome Documentary!
To me, it was very clear that encouraging Oscar to keep playing poker was the wrong choice. Poker is NOT for everyone. In fact, I think around 5% of the population even has a shot at being a serious winning poker player with a reasonable balance in their life if they really tried. The other 95% of people absolutely should not attempt to play poker for a living, if at all.
You need so many things going for you to be a successful poker player.
You need to fully fundamentally understand statistics: variance, risk, ev, probability, etc. Not just kinda know what those words mean as most players do. Oscar does not. He doesn't understand why quitting when you're up is bad. He doesn't understand why it's so bad to have a 400bb bankroll. He doesn't track his sessions, hours, or winrate at all. He probably played 500 hands in the underground games and thinks he has a three digit hourly in 1/2.
You also need to have an exceptional mental fortitude to put up with things inevitably going against you. This is basically impossible as a breakeven player with no bankroll. Every cooler (the KK vs 53o hand, for example) is disastrous. I doubt anyone in the world could play decently under those conditions. This is also exacerbated by not understanding how probability works.
You also need to ability to be able to sit down and seriously question the mistakes you've made. You have to go out of your way to review hands, accept that other people's ideas are worth hearing and implementing, and have the ability to focus on studying. Oscar clearly doesn't do this. Sure, when on camera he will say that **this** time, it's gonna be different and he's gonna sit down and grind and fix all his mistakes. There's a reason he can barely beat 1/2 after a decade of playing. I sure Christian has seen this epiphany before dozens of times and the same result happens every time. Just regression back to mediocrity.
Don't mean to dunk on Oscar, but he's just part of the 95%. He was not dealt a good hand in life. He isn't a genius and is under constant financial stress. I think any other real job (Uber isn't a real job) would serve him so much better, whether or not he's been "pursuing" this for years. The most damning thing in the whole film was how he says that he dreads driving to the casino more than driving back home after a loss. If that's really the case, this career has absolutely no positives over working at McDonalds except for the false dream of somehow running up millions of dollars that most amateur players secretly can't give up on, deep down.
He brought that one on himself too it wasn't even a proper cooler lol. Shoulda played it literally any other way: Shove pre, call him down, see if the flush completes THEN semi-bluff shove, etc... He was obvs strong. Coulda easily had As or flopped a set, then what? How you gonna gripe then? Btw u know if roles were reversed Oscar woulda open-shoved his 2pair and folded out the guy's Kings lmao.
very well written and thoughtful comment. comments like these are what makes me actually reading the comment section. I see a lot of myself in Oscar. Just doing it (sports betting) without putting in the work. not tracking the hours and losses, not analysing mistakes. that's gambling and not working. and the difference between a gambling addiction and not is a thin line
Literally got choked up 3 times. Oscar is a lot of us. Definitely almost my twin. Mad respect to all involved. If I don’t watch this more than 100x….I’ll be surprised. I f n love this game!!
such and underrated documentary!
My friend who use to play poker professionally said---you should never romanticize playing poker for a living.
As I learn to play the game---the variance of the game will humble and your decisions will always play an integral part of it.
But still Holdem is such a wonderful game and I will always be very passionate about it.
This documentary, in addition to being excellent and honest, was extremely educational. Topics were covered here:
- I play poker because I want to or because I have to
- I play poker by choice or lack of choice
- Am I being honest about my skill level?
- Is my emotional side good? Am I good when I win and bad when I lose?
- Do I feel the pressure of money at the limit I play?
- Are my plays affected by this?
- And etc....
Thank you guys and thank you player for this great lesson.
Lol
Excellent documentary, which highlights the struggles and problems of tiny stakes player attempting to grind. Shows the importance of studying poker, of which he seems incapable because when he's losing he's too depressed to study and when he's winning he feels he doesn't need it.
What on earth is there to study? I mean it's not like playing chess or something...
There is literally SO MUCH to study about poker@@drizzle952
@@drizzle952 It is very much like playing chess.
We need a follow up interview with Oscar on the podcast! The people want it! If not, at least an update on what he’s up to today
Check your local McDonald’s, he’s there asking if you want fries with that.
He is under the Queensboro bridge right now alongside Adam Egret.
when was this filmed?
@E B Has to be a years old as sands has been wind creek since I think 2019
Based on how bad of a student he was made out to be in this documentary, at best he’s still playing 1-2.
Not poker related but my love to your sister, I lost my son through SIDS at 2 months old too and it’s a big trauma to everyone, this was 2012 but has effected everything in my life even still and you never get over it,I wish her all the best xx ❤❤
SIDS doesn't exist, your wife killed the kid in a postnatal traumatic stress episode. It's the hard truth doctors are not telling you. SIDS doesn't even exist in a country like Japan but it's rampant in the US and the West, wonder why. Oh, its money and better healthcare? Why is the SIDS % of mexico the same as Japan's then? Google it and look it up.
My condolences.
Wow, one minute in and I can tell how quality this piece is, great job.. Oscar is a real one for putting it all out there. I’m in a different type of situation but can empathize with what he’s going through. Props to Oscar
Great production for everyone involved. Shoutout to Oscar for being vulnerable.
This was seriously one of the best poker documentaries I have ever watched. Such a grounding story about Oscar, and the real discussions with the Solve Why team beyond the poker stuff was incredible to see.
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Oscar is such a good human being. I wish him great success for him and his family. He’s definitely in all of us.
This was affecting, subtle, and a pleasure to watch. It reminds me of the experience of finding a book without a cover and deciding on a whim to read the first few pages and then a couple hours later finding yourself totally engrossed. The ending was particularly good story telling. It was as if the filmmaker found the few frames or the single moment with each subject of the documentary where an expression on their face revealed their humanity. Thanks for posting this. It was also good advertising for the academy as I need to take a vacation and I am thinking about doing the May tourney class.
Love the intertwining of the overall arch for poker from 2003 to now along with Oscar. Production did a good job of capturing and presenting Oscar’s emotions and he appeared to be very vulnerable, transparent and honest even during difficult conversations. A great film - well done!
Hey Christian and Oscar, if you read this, it’s Pete from “The Factory” days. Fantastic job on this Doc! Cinematography, subject matter, pacing. All well done and this is coming from somebody who still works in television so I know what’s, what. I subscribed so I’ll keep an eye out for more content from you guys. Best of luck. 🍀
Man I know exactly how Oscar felt.. hope he makes it out of the struggle!
the text at the end says he cashed several wsop tourneys and is now succeeding at mid stakes. sounds like he broke out of that mental cage he got locked into.
I like this cause it shows why we love poker & with hard work you can succeed .. but almost encourages the idea that it ain’t for everyone.. opposed to blindly pushing it to gain more fish.. Deff good to have someone like Oscar be the subject cause I relate more to him than I ever will to a high stakes beast.. yea man.. real dope project..
This shit was just as depressing as the first time I watched it. The poker dream is a scary path to take
A fantastic documentary that was very well filmed! It offered so many different perspectives and insights into the game, the mindset , the emotion and struggles from the pros down to the $1-2 rec players.
I could relate so well with Oscar and the excuses I tell myself when I lose. When Berkey talked about him not being able to answer the questions of, “What are your leaks”, “How many hours did you play and where”, etc. You can’t fix what you don’t take the time to understand.
I love the dam game but have to be honest with myself about how much I’m spending, wasting, if I’m not willing to implement the lessons.
I have been playing poker full time for the last 13 years…I have been a good solid winning live reg…however I know for a matter of fact that I needed a reality check…most of the things that I have experienced today by watching this video today is I can with full confidence say going to not only change the way I play poker by also change the way I was looking at and living my life…Dear Matt Berky… I did not hold you or your game in high regard…but single handedly this video has changed my opinion of how wrong I was about you…god bless you for this video and thank you @solve for why for this amazing content…stay blessed❤
Towards the end, Matt talking about how the swings can spill over and sometimes you need to take a break, brutally honest assessments are what kept him in game so long. I long left the game in a serious manner, but I remember playing with Matt when I lived in Vegas and I was grinding as a nobody in 2008, and seeing he had it back then. Im always rooting for Berkey whenever I see him in action. He is one of the FEW hood guys in an ecosystem ripe with the complete opposite.
Well said Donald.
The only reason berkey is still in action is bc he has a backer. Berkey plays so poorly
I want to wish Oscar the best of luck in his endeavors. He is the underdog and seeing him win big in a poker tournament is worthwhile. I'm rooting for you Oscar!!!
First off, well done documentary, very well produced and very enjoyable. Mad respect to Oscar for doing this and keeping it real. Whether it's poker or something else, I think we can all empathize with Oscar's story with respect to chasing your dreams while having to mitigate certain risks. I give him a lot of credit for wearing his emotions on his sleave for this documentary. I think a mentor/coach would be great for him more than anything, someone that can help him shift his mentality just a little bit. I would like to see Oscar pursue something else that interests him, he seems to have a great foundation, morals and values...that will serve him well in many other professions and will lead to success. Maybe not what he defines as success right now, but that's why I think a good mentor would help, someone that can help him convert those traits into a more meaningful/impactful outcome. Many people lack those traits, Oscar, and I think you'll find they will bring you the success you seek. The poker grind isn't everyone's calling, I think you're calling is much bigger than you can see right now.
Listen, Solve For Why needs to focus on what they have here, production quality, story telling, top notch. Please for the love of god create more of this. 🎉
They farmed out the production
I'm genuinely blown away, this was absolutely freaking amazing.
Superb doc guys ,can see the time and effort and production quality put in to this ,please please bring us more of these, thx s4y gang 😃
Oscar is a good man, has a good aura around him. Wish him the best.
Wow this was so incredibly well done. Please produce more docs like this. I’ve always wanted to make something like this. Awesome to see someone executing this well. 🔥
Best documentary I’ve ever seen just facts about the hardships that come from the game we love
I've watched this 4 times since it premiered but I'm only allowed to like it once.
Honestly Eric Seidel speaks the truth and straight Facts 💯💯
Absolutely LOVE this! Solve For Why is putting out the best poker content by far and I can't wait to see what you all produce next!
Much appreciated!
I'm glad this gets to live on RUclips now. Watched this back when it premiered on PokerGO and was a little surprised how quickly it came and went without any promotion on there. I grew up watching poker on tv with my parents during the Moneymaker era and started playing more myself during COVID. Loved this when it came out, when I was pretty new to the game. Even better with a new perspective of playing seriously, studying a lot more, for two years now
When did it first air? what year was this made?
This video is absolutly amazing. I can relate to how Oscar is throughout the video, knowing you are better than the people at the table we sit but can't seem to break through and just feel stuck and unwilling to put in the effort. This is a big eye opener for me and am going to commit to doing what is right because I love this game to much to not see myself in this game in the years to come.
Man this was such a great great documentary, that so many of us can resonate to Oscar. I can’t believe how much this hit home. Incredible incredible job!!
Behind the poker stars are thousands Oscar's struggling day by day. The most human poker project that i have never seen. Almost a sociological material. Bravo et merci.
Great job! Loved following the story and seeing the clips of all the players. Editing was superb.
This doc has really changed my outlook on how I approach the game.
When Oscar was talking about his kings getting cracked by 53o in the way he was, that's a giant red flag that I'm sure a lot of people trying to survive in low stakes can relate with. If one hand is impacting you that much, you're on a very dark and dangerous path that'll catch up with you sooner or later.
Poker as a side income is fun and enjoyable. Playing for a living is another beast entirely. It's tragic how many people have tried and are still trying to be 1/2 or even 2/5 "pros" but are just in survival mode, not really even living a meaningful or happy life on any level.
Listening to Oscar talk about poker for more than two minutes it's clear he will never be a winning player
I agree. He doesn’t seem to have natural talent and his poker IQ seems pretty low honestly. But he’s a 1,3 player so it’s to be expected. Also, when your bankroll is small and you can’t absorb a couple bad sessions, it makes playing smart much harder because you start playing scared. He’s one bad month away from losing everything and he doesn’t have a decent job as a backup. Very difficult for anyone to succeed under those circumstances.
I don't play much poker but even I would not have shoved all in with kings after the other guy three bets pre. He should have just checked or called and then folded to any aggression. Even though he had kings, he really only had one pair.
@@aristideau5072you're completely wrong
@@ryanblanchard2508this X10000. The confidence in your decisions / the moves you make are dictated by your roll when I had a real nest egg my game was so much better and my roi soared
This was much better than I expected.
I was able to utilize the solve for whys' free trial and watched this doc last week on their website. The movie has an incredible story line and great production. I'll be watching again tonight!
a gripping and thought-provoking exploration of the game, especially for me who enjoys poker for the rollercoaster and thrills it brings. Kudos to the directors for the stunning cinematography and insightful interviews ♠️🃏
It’s an ad…. A good one
Wow this better get some kind of award!! I loved every minute of it.solve for why way to go respect.. everybody gotta have a dream even if is a poker dream keep pushing oscar!!!!
Very much impressed with the docu. As a part-timer I couldn't agree more on the challenges faced by people who chose this line of profession.
The Lady at the end nailed it: „(…) and you have to remember that you’re playing a game. If it’s not a game to you, if it’s not fun, if it’s not enjoyable, then why the hell are you doing it?!“ 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Really good. Poker can fool you. Its much deeper than it appears, and now days its required that you understand those depths intimately. Because those youre playing against do. Love hearing Maria konnikova talk.
this is so amazing...it’s almost kaleidoscopic and it just comes together so well. What vision and understanding to cut this shite up and put it back together like this. Fucking amazing. THANK YOU 🤓
See so much of myself in Oscar, life is tough and playing 1 of the toughest games to survive is going to take its toll. Great production and will take a lot from it TY👍
I really enjoyed this. Tell Oscar I'm really proud of him. He inspires me, and many others I'm sure.
This was a good documentary, I can relate so much to Oscar in his struggles as a good poker player that's having a hard time moving up, due to financial obligations that you HAVE to work a job to take take care of your family, because of that what if factor. What if your taking your shot and someone go's crazy with 53o and flops two pair when you have kings. Something Christian said really stood out to me when he said Oscar has the network to succeed, which is very important in my opinion. I wish I had that network, to see if I could make it. I know I have the discipline and the work ethic, just missing that network and support system. Great job putting this together!
Truly excellent. I rarely feel compelled to comment on anything, but I had to make an exception here. I hope y'all create more content like this in the future.
Awesome doco!!! Scary thing is while watching this I could see myself. I remember going broke a few times some 5 years ago and they were definitely hard times mentally resulting in me unintentionally stepping away from the game for close to 2 years. Eventually I came across a poker room while travelling and felt that spark to go play once again. Unfortunately just as things began turning around we got hit by Covid. Since Covid I found myself bored of playing Holdem online and so here we are beginning the journey of the dark realms of plo4/5/6. All I can say is Poker will humble you over and over and the moment you doubt yourself it's over. Happy grinding
Great documentary. It really shows how the Dunning-Krueger-Effect shapes the poker world.
They played like 300BBs in the workshop and Oscar was still resistant to advice on his play.
Not mocking him, it just shows how hard it is to stay humble regardless of the outcome. You really have to distance yourself from the game theory you try to apply.
Matt’s comments at 52:00 approx are the most poignant and pragmatic of the entire documentary. Well done sir.
Oscar. Thanks for the openness. Hope you are doing well.
This was hard to watch, people have to be willing, honest, open and truly not defensive. To hear the truth and make deep changes is HARD. Even when you do hear and try, it still takes overcoming the way your brain is wired, and rewiring it. Thanks for this!!
Well done Solve for Why Team. Lots any poker player can take from this probably best film that dives deep into the psychology of the game and the people who play it. Great interviews as well! Production was top notch as well!
This was awesome. We need more shit like this. Well done 👍
This documentary is super informative. This angle portrayed proves y’all’s commitment to the industry. Great job team SFW.
Here is my own personal quote about the poker life, that I created years ago " In order to be a consistent winner at the poker table, you must surround yourself with consistent LOSERS at the poker table" . I have found, in the game of life/poker, constantly being around " losers" can drain the life out of you.
I like that quote. Preying on the losing people leaves room for the unsaid rule of karma. It will inevitably happen to the best of them.
Thank you for putting this together. Really incredible
Awesome work guys and huge respect to Oscar and so many people in his same position
I really didn't think Oscar would make it. Goodjob!
I love how this film concludes, the last 3 mins. Thank you
I’ve made a few specific comments on this documentary but would like to say, over all and in general this came across very relatable. I’ve run a successful business for over 18 years now. I’ve always dreamed of possibly going pro in poker but came to the realization that like any other business it requires one to adapt with the changing atmosphere of the industry as well as being open to new concepts, ideas and technology. But lately I’ve realized that as a man with a family, the variance that comes with poker is just too much to stake my life’s work and my family’s security on it.
Watching this helps me fully understand how little I know about poker, and how far I still have to go.
Very well done! Can easily relate my experience in poker over 15 years. Thank you for the content!
I can relate to Oscar so much. Im in the same spot, we both play at the sands, now it’s wind creek. I’ve been doing the same thin leg breaking even and now busto. I wish I had his connections to help grow, im doing it all alone.
I moved to Vegas 5 years ago. I was just like Oscar. Not studying in todays poker market is career suicide. Took some big losses to finally realize I needed help! Got a tourney course and started cash game tutorials. I’m not where I want to be. But it’s miles better. This game can be humbling. But The losses make you realize whether truly want it or not! GL Oscar.
best poker doc i have ever watched.... Berky is such a more down to earth cool guy then 2 plus 2 makes him seem or doug polk
Thank you soooo much for this documentary. It opened my eyes on many things really. Loved all the people who participated in, and I wish the best in life for Oscar 💪🏼 Love from Barcelona ❤️
What a piece guys!! This is kind the movie poker deserves... thks!
1st time watching this I was trying to solve for why would they focus so much time and resources around this guy. Instead of someone like Landon for instance. I guess that might have been a timing thing.
2nd time I see it as an excellent insight into the mindset of the mush. I wish Oscar all the best in overcoming the laziness and arrogance mindset that led to his situation at the beginning.
Thanks to Berkey and crew for putting this together.
OK Doug
Awesome doc. Very well done and full of great insight. It serves us well to be introspective, not only about the game we love, but also to the bigger picture of what's most important in our lives.
Kassouf will always be Legendary. benger vs Kassouf. Kassouf vs lady with queens..9 hi like a boss
Legendary dbag
I loved this documentary. If you are going to make more documentaries about different aspects of poker, and they're going to be this good, and you fund it with a Kickstarter or something similar, I'll donate.
I've never met a professional poker player or gambler, for that matter. That was happy. Always grinding out wins. Sucking up the bad beats. And tilting. What a life. The saying I heard is that it was an easy way to make a hard living
The dream is actually having these 2 guys as a coach. Great documentary.
If you want to be Oscar.
Great doc, we’ll made!
This is very useful information well prepared! Really hope a lot of struggling players watch this
I see a bright future for Solve For Why becoming a grand poker documentary poker house. This was, without a doubt, exceptionally done. I loved hearing the ugly stories of the many that tried to make it but didn't make it, the ones grinding the poker tournaments circuits, and the emotional swings average poker players experience.
This is why I ultimately like to keep poker as a hobby and not my main skill set. I think the best poker players are those that can make income outside from playing poker such as vlogging, branding, educational videos, coaching, etc.
This was brilliant and honest in a way that not many people are willing to be. Thank you for making this project
Your Pod cast are always fun and and other content production is fabulous, but this.... this was beyond great Thanks for the content the hour and a half flew by
This documentary is a gift to everyone that plays the game.
As a consistently winning 1/3 player who is trying to decide whether to move up in stakes, this really hit home. Excellent work.
I genuinely loved this documentary. Thank you
love this video, i remember being in oscar's shoes and finally moving up to 5/5 to grind a more sustainable income
Oscar seems like a great guy. I wish him the best
Wow! Didn't expect much from this, but was very pleasantly surprised! Great doc!
One of the best anythings I've ever seen. Bravo
52:00 an incredibly accurate assessment that sums up the vast majority of all winning players
best poker documentary ever, great work guys
More!! Well done. Thank you.
From a person in a different industry other then gambling for a living, I found this realistic. There are so many components to general success, from feedback to coaching to self realizations that happen. These concepts apply to many more careers other then poker. Whatever you choose to do treat that as your craft and strive to get better.
Thanks for your time and work on this! It was very good and a surprise find. I’m sharing it with my poker friends