Casinos are a grimy place to work and play. My daughter and wife both worked in a casino and maybe, the only other people the operators dislike more than the card counters are the employees, in my own opinion. They both left because it was a sad and soul crushing place to work.
@@Sc9cvsd Couldn't agree more! I've tried and failed spectacularly to become a strong chess (and poker) player. Becoming a profitable card counter was dramatically easier for me. Ymmv.
I really don’t understand what is wrong with card counting. It’s a card game that has a limited amount of cards that can be played. If a person is intelligent enough to count the cards I call that skill and mastery of the game not cheating. What is the point of playing any game if you’re not using your brain to try and win.
I agree what's the point in being exceptional at something 8f you can't be rewarded for it? We applause athletes for their exceptional skills and even pay them very well! Chess players spend years developing their skills gaining advantages to win through their intelligence! What's the difference? Video Gamers even though I don't really get why its taken so seriously, I'll admit when my friend was named the best player in the United States and like the third in the world. I had to show some respect for the achievement and I understood just how much time and dedication went into it for him to make it that far, I applause him for getting to that point! He's got a skill that he's basically A master at. But he hasn't been 86thd from playing just cause of how good he is at it! Honestly if these casinos were smart they would offer this guy A job working for them! Otherwise they're just gonna keep playing this game of cat and mouse rather than gaining insight on his tactics and upping their own game in trying to catch guys like him...?
It is the most un-American thing that is commonly accepted in our society--telling some, no, treating them like a criminal because they're simply and ONLY using their brain to play a game completely within the rules using information equally available to all players.
The best advice I ever got was to not be in the casino for more than a hour. So if you're betting, make sure you parley Or double your bet that you just won It could be any given day that the casino doesn't make money and when they see a average Joe Go on the run the pit bulls will come over you either. Have a couple of all duty. Police officers walked through just to determinate you or to eliminate the room because they're losing money. And if you win big, don't come back for a while because they will be waiting for you.
Amazing! I spend $100 on a slot win $2500 casinos don't blink. I think a card counter is just a good player too bad casinos that's the chance you take.
Exactly. I think it's BS that they're trying to make it seem like they made this documentary when they really just ripped off another documentary. Pretty sad.
Gambling "regulators",are not ther to see to it that both players and the casino are dealing fairly.Casinos are cheating,all to give kick backs to the gambling authorities
Is there proof casinos are cheating? I think the mathematics and commissions are on their side, so they don't have to cheat, but you are free to enlighten me.
@@phoenix5054 casinos don't need to cheat. The casinos make money from every angle. Once you get hooked, they comp you every which way to get you to return.
They can cheat on russian roulette if they want or make slot machines tighter if they want, or they can name machines malfunctioning if they want.@@phoenix5054
He loves the money, he loves the excitement. A million dollars at 4.50% interest is 45k a year. So if he already has a million, he can just be a bum if he wanted to.
I wonder how many of those 10% are AP or maybe break even players? Not everyone wants to be an AP pro and quit their day job to try and make six figures playing AP. A lot of people would be perfectly fine if they can break even or make a little bit on their family vacation to Vegas, at least know they're playing even or small edge
The issue is that, even with the losses to advantage players, casino profits would still be sky high. Advantage players represent a fraction of total players. In a way, it would actually be beneficial for casinos to accept such losses as a form of publicity; to show that it's possible to win and win big. Without advantage players, what casinos are saying is that everyone is always going to lose in the long run, whether they like it or not. That's not good publicity.
@@donaldlyons17 Yes, but in my opinion, casinos would, overall, still have the edge, regardless of advantage players. Let's take, as an example, the lottery. If no one ever won the lottery, no one would play it. Yet, at least in most countries, the lottery is won every month, if not every week. Casinos, on the other hand, are widely known as places where to lose money, therefore they only attract people addicted to gambling or people who don't mind losing some money that they can afford, in order to have some comps and some fun. Less than 1% of gamblers have the discipline to be advantage players. Casinos could use those disciplined players as advertisement. *"If Phil Ivey can win, so can you. Come to our casino".* That sort of thing. In other words, casinos would give out a little bit, but they would receive a lot in return. They would stop being seen as places where the odds, on every single table of every single game (except poker), are against the player.
if you see the hole card you are going to change your betting, double down on 9 with dealer's up card is 10 normally you don't do that so pit boss might see that and now something is wrong here.
Blackjack is truly the ONLY game the casinos really dont like bc of card counting. I actually have no issues go into the casinos here in Central America bc Blackjack is not as a popular game like slots or Texas Hold Em which players love. So when I go into a casino here the PIT bosses leave you alone just as long as you are not being disruptive. They even let you use your cell phone on the floor. Im surprised these players dont venture out more outside the states. I even card count online bc its easier to use my card counting app.
at 9.44 73 broken bones in his face ...'14 bones ' The facial skeleton consists of 14 bones with different anatomic structures and embryological formations (2 unpaired and 6 paired). These bones comprise the paired nasal bones, inferior nasal conchae, palatine bones, maxillae, zygomatic bones, lacrimal bones, and the unpaired mandible and vomer.' Dont let that guy count cards for you!
what bet spread had man in this film ? 25-500$ is to low to achieve profit 200-400$ in one year, because EV with this spread 25-500 is about 100-120$ per hour only
He did have other methods than card counting. Hole card reading is insanely profitable. Tracking the shuffle does give the player an edge as well ... though very difficult and mistakes can be costly. May have had other methods as well that were not discussed. If he was playing 5 deck shoes with 2 decks cut off 120 an hour is generous at 25-500. Darrel Purpose would say the same!
@@ringing7 Maybe he used betting spread 50-1000$ or 100-2000$ anyway mainly thanks card counting he achieved this results, reading hole card and tracking the shuffle is only addiion
Another thing is calling the world gaming partners cheats that is in terms to damage the infrastructure but gaming is only one component of world gaming partners total of 7 world business in world gaming partners
Unfortunately, until the DOJ get involved, or investigate, these State license casinos are no different than Al Capone era gambling joints. The patrons have no rights, especially when these state control boards are in bed with them. Greed is the new G-word.
how can it be legal to play at casinos for thousands of dollars without showing an ID card, when it is necessary to show your ID to buy a loaf of bread?
You're right, but the majority of American casinos still don't use CSM's. They're expensive, and players don't like them, non-advantage players included.
This ad is designed to lure people back into gambling by making them believe they have a real chance to win. However, it’s all misleading. They use a machine to shuffle the cards and more than four decks, making it nearly impossible to count cards. Card counting becomes ineffective with more than two decks, and here they’re using even more. Additionally, the machine shuffles the cards under the table, so no one knows which cards are where or what's missing. It’s unclear what software controls the shuffling process, raising further doubts about fairness. The people featured in the video are likely addicts, gamblers, or paid actors. Don’t waste your money; this isn’t a documentary, it’s an advertisement.
Probably a bit of both. All is speculation. At a certain point they were gambling addicts who used a workable and ill advised method during that period. Then the main character went way too much and with too much effort as some kind of illicit career. Interesting docu, nothing more, nothing less.
It’s dead now. Good luck against the continuous shuffle machine and 6-5 blackjack. Soon it will be even money blackjack. Try beating that with card counting.
There are more than enough 3-2 tables don’t worry. Casino won’t make money if they change the rules too much because no one will play. CSM machines are rare because they are expensive and maintenance is as well. They aren’t very common. Automatic shufflers are fine (just like poker tables have) because it saves the casino time from having a dealer shuffle. Just stay away from CSM
Plesae explain how that occurs AND explain how adding a player to the table or a player adding an extra one to two hands, doesn't mess up the inserted deck. This should be interesting.
@@scottparrish7244 Yes, I worked at a Casino that would sometimes take out 1, 2 s too mess up card counters. I ,also saw deck insertions in wich they would put a prearranged deck in the shoe. On the weekends the tables would be full. Yes Casinos do indeed sometimes cheat. I, have worked at two casinos so I know
The documentary film, "Inside The Edge" is an unprecedented glimpse into the world of elite blackjack players as they take on casinos for millions.
Thanks. 2009 documentary.
Casinos are a grimy place to work and play. My daughter and wife both worked in a casino and maybe, the only other people the operators dislike more than the card counters are the employees, in my own opinion. They both left because it was a sad and soul crushing place to work.
sad and soul crushing. I believe that in a heartbeat
I believe that…
They vary in quality, but this is more true than not. Professional casino gambling is far from glamorous. AP's do what they gotta do to get the money.
Everyone there is so uptight, and ill-tempered. It's not heaven, being surrounded by vaults of green on every turn.
Casinos destroy communities they build in.
Casinos are a for profit business. Counting cards isn’t illegal and it’s incredibly difficult to be good at.
Not incredibly difficult, just takes a lot of practice.
@@grifter84yep chess is difficult to become good at. Card counting is not difficult or complex just needs time and most people could do it
@@Sc9cvsd Couldn't agree more! I've tried and failed spectacularly to become a strong chess (and poker) player. Becoming a profitable card counter was dramatically easier for me. Ymmv.
not incredibly difficult at all, just need to do 4th grade math really quickly
I really don’t understand what is wrong with card counting. It’s a card game that has a limited amount of cards that can be played. If a person is intelligent enough to count the cards I call that skill and mastery of the game not cheating. What is the point of playing any game if you’re not using your brain to try and win.
At the heart of the matter is greed.
Casinos want ALL of the money and oppose anyone trying to stop them.
Pretty simple concept....
I agree what's the point in being exceptional at something 8f you can't be rewarded for it? We applause athletes for their exceptional skills and even pay them very well! Chess players spend years developing their skills gaining advantages to win through their intelligence! What's the difference? Video Gamers even though I don't really get why its taken so seriously, I'll admit when my friend was named the best player in the United States and like the third in the world. I had to show some respect for the achievement and I understood just how much time and dedication went into it for him to make it that far, I applause him for getting to that point! He's got a skill that he's basically A master at. But he hasn't been 86thd from playing just cause of how good he is at it! Honestly if these casinos were smart they would offer this guy A job working for them! Otherwise they're just gonna keep playing this game of cat and mouse rather than gaining insight on his tactics and upping their own game in trying to catch guys like him...?
It is the most un-American thing that is commonly accepted in our society--telling some, no, treating them like a criminal because they're simply and ONLY using their brain to play a game completely within the rules using information equally available to all players.
I don’t get it either. If you’ve got the smarts to beat the house, you deserve the $$$ imo
It’s certainly not cheating.
The best advice I ever got was to not be in the casino for more than a hour. So if you're betting, make sure you parley Or double your bet that you just won It could be any given day that the casino doesn't make money and when they see a average Joe Go on the run the pit bulls will come over you either. Have a couple of all duty. Police officers walked through just to determinate you or to eliminate the room because they're losing money. And if you win big, don't come back for a while because they will be waiting for you.
Amazing! I spend $100 on a slot win $2500 casinos don't blink. I think a card counter is just a good player too bad casinos that's the chance you take.
I saw this on Amazon Prime 3 years ago.....
Exactly. I think it's BS that they're trying to make it seem like they made this documentary when they really just ripped off another documentary. Pretty sad.
That one guy in doc look like actor from limitless, he got both the looks and skills wow
LOVED THIS
Absolutely insane they would go to this level of hassle, they'd make great scientologists.
Tom Cruise doesn't approve your message
Half a million is worth the hustle don't you think?
Tom Cruise is the equivalent of the casino
Your welcome back
It’s to easy to spot card counters now. Casinos throw out the real players.
It's hard to count cards with 7 deck shoes
@@TheSmartLawyer why?
Gambling "regulators",are not ther to see to it that both players and the casino are dealing fairly.Casinos are cheating,all to give kick backs to the gambling authorities
Is there proof casinos are cheating? I think the mathematics and commissions are on their side, so they don't have to cheat, but you are free to enlighten me.
@@phoenix5054 casinos don't need to cheat. The casinos make money from every angle. Once you get hooked, they comp you every which way to get you to return.
They can cheat on russian roulette if they want or make slot machines tighter if they want, or they can name machines malfunctioning if they want.@@phoenix5054
Ive never been this early
He loves the money, he loves the excitement. A million dollars at 4.50% interest is 45k a year. So if he already has a million, he can just be a bum if he wanted to.
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I wonder how many of those 10% are AP or maybe break even players? Not everyone wants to be an AP pro and quit their day job to try and make six figures playing AP. A lot of people would be perfectly fine if they can break even or make a little bit on their family vacation to Vegas, at least know they're playing even or small edge
The issue is that, even with the losses to advantage players, casino profits would still be sky high.
Advantage players represent a fraction of total players. In a way, it would actually be beneficial for casinos to accept such losses as a form of publicity; to show that it's possible to win and win big.
Without advantage players, what casinos are saying is that everyone is always going to lose in the long run, whether they like it or not. That's not good publicity.
What casiinos don't want advantage players at all.... IF they want money they have to have the house edge!!!
@@donaldlyons17 Yes, but in my opinion, casinos would, overall, still have the edge, regardless of advantage players.
Let's take, as an example, the lottery. If no one ever won the lottery, no one would play it. Yet, at least in most countries, the lottery is won every month, if not every week. Casinos, on the other hand, are widely known as places where to lose money, therefore they only attract people addicted to gambling or people who don't mind losing some money that they can afford, in order to have some comps and some fun.
Less than 1% of gamblers have the discipline to be advantage players. Casinos could use those disciplined players as advertisement.
*"If Phil Ivey can win, so can you. Come to our casino".* That sort of thing.
In other words, casinos would give out a little bit, but they would receive a lot in return.
They would stop being seen as places where the odds, on every single table of every single game (except poker), are against the player.
if you see the hole card you are going to change your betting, double down on 9 with dealer's up card is 10 normally you don't do that so pit boss might see that and now something is wrong here.
Blackjack is truly the ONLY game the casinos really dont like bc of card counting. I actually have no issues go into the casinos here in Central America bc Blackjack is not as a popular game like slots or Texas Hold Em which players love.
So when I go into a casino here the PIT bosses leave you alone just as long as you are not being disruptive. They even let you use your cell phone on the floor. Im surprised these players dont venture out more outside the states. I even card count online bc its easier to use my card counting app.
what app are you using?
Online blackjack rules are horrible. Not worth playing
at 9.44 73 broken bones in his face ...'14 bones ' The facial skeleton consists of 14 bones with different anatomic structures and embryological formations (2 unpaired and 6 paired). These bones comprise the paired nasal bones, inferior nasal conchae, palatine bones, maxillae, zygomatic bones, lacrimal bones, and the unpaired mandible and vomer.' Dont let that guy count cards for you!
Oh and 'land of the free' yeah right - you might as well be in communist Chynaaar
Maybe he said 73 broken facial bones because he's counting fragments? But you're right, 73 is excessive.
BTW- use the symbol '@' for timestamp. One can go directly to that video time @9:44.
interesting
Sounds like the stock market
SHOWS THE CORRUPTION BETWEEN COPS AND ORGANIZED CRIME
Yup and demonize other marginalized groups to hide it.
From a former employer or employee or just be educated. I was excited. I made made my friends millions
Don't they have constant shufflers?
Vid looks like it's 15/20 years old....!?
It's a war on the working man. 😢😢😢
Gee I often here about card counting in the US but I was wondering if anyones tried it here in Australia just curious reasons
what bet spread had man in this film ? 25-500$ is to low to achieve profit 200-400$ in one year, because EV with this spread 25-500 is about 100-120$ per hour only
He did have other methods than card counting. Hole card reading is insanely profitable. Tracking the shuffle does give the player an edge as well ... though very difficult and mistakes can be costly. May have had other methods as well that were not discussed. If he was playing 5 deck shoes with 2 decks cut off 120 an hour is generous at 25-500. Darrel Purpose would say the same!
@@ringing7 Maybe he used betting spread 50-1000$ or 100-2000$ anyway mainly thanks card counting he achieved this results, reading hole card and tracking the shuffle is only addiion
Another thing is calling the world gaming partners cheats that is in terms to damage the infrastructure but gaming is only one component of world gaming partners total of 7 world business in world gaming partners
Unfortunately, until the DOJ get involved, or investigate, these State license casinos are no different than Al Capone era gambling joints. The patrons have no rights, especially when these state control boards are in bed with them. Greed is the new G-word.
I think I'm in love with you. LOL. @endevr
😅 Me too! It's in my top 3 favorite channels. The clips, the editing, and the subjects are top notch. No AI is a big plus.
Two hands, both doubles against a 6. Dealer makes 21 after player DD's on a soft 18 to 20, gets 12 on the 11. Either way dealer has the ace.
A7 v the 6 in the shuffle track demo should have been a double down
Unless it was a negative slug.
Can they kick you out if you're a hotel guest?
Yes
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Are they all friends. Not all. It's fun
how can it be legal to play at casinos for thousands of dollars without showing an ID card, when it is necessary to show your ID to buy a loaf of bread?
Automatic constant shuffler
I was beginning to wonder if you were ever gonna play AZ casinos
Most use continuous shufflers which AP players avoid.
if he won that big much oney, so why he does not stop and start a free stress business?
If you're that good pick my powerball 50/50 pay out
just get to the damn point! takes 20 minutes before they get to the part of how to beat the casino. we already know about the consequences...
Wouldnt you go to the slots, and give some back. If your up 10k go to slots and give back 1k. Diversify
MOB MAKES HIM LOOSE HES BEING FOLLOWED AND DECKED OUT
Anyone that likes dogs is ok with me.nice pups!
There are so many ways of making money. This is one that will take over your life. It's just not worth it.
For the vast majority, this is not a promo video. It is for us average people to admire the skill.
Why jump the bet up so high that’s how you get caught. Just jump the bet up a little bit
I have 10,000 decks. Fairness
Corruption at its greatest they ve provably microchipped as well i hope not u might want to double check metal detectolr or stud finder rfid locator
Lowest bet for highest return
In the uk they ban you from every casino nation wide. ..it gets serious. . And your bann for life too 😣😎😂
Cards speak for themselves
How it can be you so smart but you can’t figure out how to cash out the chips Without any problems ?
'Reservation Casino' - real traditional, real authentic
Easy fix.
Grimerlay kan grow fark isself
If they use a shuffle master .it won't work
You're right, but the majority of American casinos still don't use CSM's. They're expensive, and players don't like them, non-advantage players included.
❤😮😢😂😅🎉❤.
Why would they tresspass you if your down? Wouldnt they want you to keep playing?
If they suspect you have an addiction then they can ban u
My bitcoin win 2 dollars over two trillion coins have been sold
This ad is designed to lure people back into gambling by making them believe they have a real chance to win. However, it’s all misleading. They use a machine to shuffle the cards and more than four decks, making it nearly impossible to count cards. Card counting becomes ineffective with more than two decks, and here they’re using even more. Additionally, the machine shuffles the cards under the table, so no one knows which cards are where or what's missing. It’s unclear what software controls the shuffling process, raising further doubts about fairness. The people featured in the video are likely addicts, gamblers, or paid actors. Don’t waste your money; this isn’t a documentary, it’s an advertisement.
You say your point as if it's a fact, why? The statement is only your opinion, nothing more.
Wise words my mate, wise words. Keep well. Topman
@@Centerpieceofmind Good casino agent? if not then don't believe me and take all your money then go count card see how that work out
Obviously addicts
They're greedy complaining about not being able to be greedy still
Probably a bit of both. All is speculation. At a certain point they were gambling addicts who used a workable and ill advised method during that period. Then the main character went way too much and with too much effort as some kind of illicit career. Interesting docu, nothing more, nothing less.
A gamblers dream😅😅
All B S
Beating Casino at thier own game , Wow man 😂🎉
It’s dead now. Good luck against the continuous shuffle machine and 6-5 blackjack. Soon it will be even money blackjack. Try beating that with card counting.
There are more than enough 3-2 tables don’t worry. Casino won’t make money if they change the rules too much because no one will play. CSM machines are rare because they are expensive and maintenance is as well. They aren’t very common. Automatic shufflers are fine (just like poker tables have) because it saves the casino time from having a dealer shuffle. Just stay away from CSM
@@briandraper7630 you have to travel to find good blackjack
. Around San Francisco, it all CSM or 6-5 blackjack.
Some times they do insertions.On a busy night they put in a deck that they know it will favor the house 😁😢
Plesae explain how that occurs AND explain how adding a player to the table or a player adding an extra one to two hands, doesn't mess up the inserted deck. This should be interesting.
@@scottparrish7244 Yes, I worked at a Casino that would sometimes take out 1, 2 s too mess up card counters. I ,also saw deck insertions in wich they would put a prearranged deck in the shoe. On the weekends the tables would be full. Yes Casinos do indeed sometimes cheat. I, have worked at two casinos so I know
@@scottparrish7244 Yes, taking out certain cards will mess up a card counter 😔
i would look at the amercans institution ! you cant be penalized for being smarter ! look at the old scroll
U gave up. What a lam excuse. Com play
Dont cheat simple lol
It’s not cheating lmao
card counting is a joke, they control the cards, there is no way u win against the house
I see someone doesn’t understand basic math
Someone didn’t watch the guys counting stacks of cash in his RV everywhere he went!
If the casinos act like that they need the federal government come against them
Vegas SS counters.