Dude this is a GREAT SERIES !!! Thanks for taking the time to put this all together, it’s obvious there is a ton of time in this video . Super well done Buddy
Old timers use to put 24 inch Barrels and 26 inch barrels and I have to think the added length would have to help to conform the bullet and maybe just maybe it would help to make the bullet a little more concentric and in return help the bullet fly just a little bit truer. If it doesn`t slow the bullet down I would think they had it right but then they probably didn`t have machine as well made as the gun smith have today.
One of the most accurate 22lr rifles I ever shot was a friend’s old marlin lever action with a very long barrel that probably had national debt equivalent rounds thru it. So I do agree barrel length selection must be either for accuracy or velocity. Unicorn are just that until either technology or manufacturer care improves.
What you are talking about is what my dad and I discovered years ago with .38 special and 30-06 by casting our own lead bullets for accuracy 😊 my best .22 rifle for accuracy was and is a 1970 bought Marlin 39-A Golden rifle and my dad’s 1917 Remington Infield world war 1 rifle with a 150grain round nose cast lead bullet 😊 He would work and learn the right mix of lead 😊 it was fun to watch him do this😊he is now in heaven 😊dad always spoke of barrel lenght and velocity to get those tight groups
@@richardmattix5322the longer barrels works just fine 20,22,24, and 26 was sometimes the sweet spot😊I am old enough to watch those old timers do it😊I enjoyed spending all day at a 200 yard rifle range from 1963 to 1972 😊
Good that you touched on lead ( bullet ) hardness. there are so many myths about this subject especially in the handgun side of things. I like the way you approached and presented your analysis of what you find to be the causes for downrange performance. I wish I could afford to have you build a 22 for me ( to old and to broke to really matter) what I like the most about you is your work ethic , attention to detail and how you backup your approach with real life testing - analysis. Keep up the good work. Love your videos.
Your 100 +% right on this site . My thoughts about having one of his " builds " is the same . I'm 79 of age and counting, unfortunately, poor as well .🤑🥴
I have nothing to contribute, but I feel like you deserve a comment… Fabulous information based on your real world experience. We need more of this in the world!
Just started watching your site today 08/24/24 . Your ability to professionally explain and research all the intricacies of 22 LR. bullets and Barrel's was actually easy to understand . The barrel length study was extraordinarily informative . It eliminated the idea of shorter Barrel's, on the premise, the powder was exhausted well before the 24 " mark . Thank you , Cedric
Thank you for giving us more answers to questions in terms that relate to actual shooting accuracy results. The time that you have spent researching and doing the leg work is amazing. Keep the videos coming.
Dude, with this series of videos you've started writing the "Online .22 Rimfire Bible"! Trust me, there are many of us who appreciate you imparting your knowledge to us.
I'm 74 years old and have been a .22 rimfire nut since I was a kid. Lots of smallbore silhouette shooting, small game and pest hunting, and just pretty much loving being on the shooting end of .22 rifles and pistols. Your series has answered a lot of questions for me and I really appreciate your deep dive into the science and art of .22 rimfire. I also shoot PCP .22 caliber air rifles a lot and find it quite exciting that the trend lately is toward slugs rather than traditional diabolo pellets. In fact, the high end air rifle ballistics are about the same as standard velocity .22 rimfire ammo while maintaining excellent accuracy. Have you looked at any of the air rifle barrel and slug designs? Thanks for the great videos. Jess
Great stuff! Your explanation of the cold bore shot phenomenon makes complete sense. I hadn’t realized how many factors there are that determine 22 ammo consistency and accuracy.
You did an awesome job explaining that. Tons of information concisely and directly presented logically. Things that I've never even thought of with 22LR. Super awesome
Really enjoyed this episode! Easy to understand ,and follow what you were explaining! Definitely makes me question the wisdom of spending money on cans and muzzle brakes on.22 rimfire rifles!! Whole lot of money,for diminishing returns!!😮 😊 Great information!!
Your practical insight is a wealth of wise counsel. Thank you! The series unfolded at a perfect pace with verification of the facts with your testing gear and observation of the results.
Wow! This was a LOT of very interesting and educational information! Well done! I will have to watch this video a few more times to fully absorb it all, but that's OK, I enjoyed it! Thanks for putting this together! Definitely "THUMBS UP"!
Coming from PRS and mil sniper comps, apparently my arrogance thought I would pick up NRL22 right up. Wouldn’t you know .22 is a whole new world. I don’t like to waist my time with processes that BR or F class guys do. I have nothing against them just not my style of shooting. I also need to know the science behind the process backed up with practical use in testing. Thank you for your knowledge and the work you put into this information. Dave
This was one of the most educational videos Ive watched in a long time. Definitely helped me understand more about what Im looking for in my custom 22LR when I order one.
Sir you have so much knowledge. I just subbed. I have a off the shelf Savage 22lr 64. I hunt varmits and squirrel at 25 to 65 yards. I can do this but I really have learn so much from you. I enjoy your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Great video - I’m an older ( new ) 22lr shooter, running two CZ 457’s - Lux and Varmint MTR, both shoot better than me. Only about .2 difference between them. Always learning, always trying to practice what I can control - but Always having a Blast trying to better my groups !! Keep up with your videos !!! Thanks
Wow , to just give away all that hard earned knowledge , to anybody that has an entrust in accuracy , is very giving of you . The information is very interesting . Thank you for your time
The most accurate 22lr I own is an Anschutz match 54, 24in barrel. If you swage a bullet through the barrel you'll notice the bore diameter gradually tightens. They hand lap the barrel at the factory with fewer strokes at the muzzle, this probably allows for a more gradual deformation of the bullet
That 24 inch barrel is the sweet spot like on a Marlin 39A golden made before 1990 I am just picking a year but you can tell what I mean Remington bought them
Man, I am glad you are building my next 22LR rifle. Every time I watch your videos I learn something useful. In fact I watched this video three times before I made a comment!
This is a great series which I’ve rewatched several times. One of the things I just picked out of the part 2 is less grooves for deformation and that brings me back to Matt’s rifle with the Shilen four groove ratchet rifling. If you’re shooting groups where you have sighter shots and then KYL at 100yds with no sighter shots does the ratchet style rifling help. Great info Kenny.
I have the Area 419 bolt knob on my 308 Bergara HMR it’s cool. Watching all your videos about these 22 bolt guns is seriously making me want a 22 to match the 308. You should do a Ruger mark II 22 pistol barrel with some of those cut offs. Have a tac driver pistol and a cool talking piece to boot.
I've just found this channel yesterday and have bookmarked about 1/2 the vids I've watched. Florida doesn't seem to have a big rimfire community and/or competitions, but who doesn't want an accurate rifle? Thanks for the valuable information!!
Looking forward to your 457 barrels! My varmint 20” non MTR is producing about 0.5-0.8” 10 shot groups at 50. But it can keep 20/20 rounds on a 2” circle in calm conditions at 100. Not great not terrible but I figure I’ll either tolerate it and continue ammo testing or just go balls out on the nicest custom barrel. I realize the CZ is not optimum with its 1” max diameter but I think I’d want 26” minimum. Plus… as evidenced by my 28” super Lux long bois are pretty dang quiet with match/subsonic
Thank you, SIR, for very interesting and informative video! I'm a LONG TIME (about 60 year 22lr shooter, I'm 71). The first 2-22lrs, a Remington Nylon 66 and a Ruger Mk I, which started my PASSION with shooting 22lrs. I've not quite gotten to your level of expertise, but I do enjoy shooting ACCURATE weapons. Right now, I'm in a kinda LIMBO area now trying to recover from having a FIRE at my old house that was in my BEDROOM at 3AM!!😮 I'm LUCKY to be ALIVE, actually! I did lose a couple of my TOYS, and just a couple of months ago, I got the REST OF MY TOYS from a friend who was holding them while the insurance company played out which has been a NIGHTMARE to say the least!! They DRAGGED their feet and weren't very helpful, actually! They almost acted as if dealing with the aftermath of a FIRE was something I was very familiar with!! This was the FIRST TIME, and I PERSONALLY haven't known anyone who has had to deal with this CATASTROPHE!!! Getting back to shooting 22lrs, I'm on a older Single shot kick NOW! I was curious how ACCURATE some of the old rifles from before, during, and after the turn of the century rifles and PREWWII German training rifles were!! The quality of material and WORKMANSHIP is very evident since most of my OLD TOYS still function as well as they did when they were NEW more than 100 years ago, which is a testament to the quality of the OLD WORLD CRAFTMANSHIP and best materials at that time!!!😊 I'm in the process of putting them through their paces checking how ACCURATE they are. I've got a couple of really cool pieces: Remington Rolling Block #4 and a 1 1/2 sporter in 22lr (only made less than 5,000 in all the deferent rim-fire calibers). It's quite heavy with a 24" octagon barrel that is .776" across the flats and it's got a SWEET TRIGGER!! I want to try to get a original rear tang sight for it to increase my sight radius, to make more accurate shots. I wouldn't think of putting a SCOPE on it, it would look STUPID even if I got one of the OLD STYLE LONG SCOPES from that time period but they are quite EXPENSIVE and I like the tang sights (I'm sure they were much more common and prevalent back then!!) I like being able to hit small things at a 100 or so yards with old rifles that would make some NEW, MODERN AND EXPENSIVE 22lrs JEALOUS!!!😮😅😅 KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PROMOTING THE SHOOTING SPORTS!!!😊😊😊
Hi, I liked the two videos very much, but I took a different way to come to the same conclusions. I love shooting the 22lr, but I wanted to shoot in the BR 50-50 matches at my local range in VA. Like you said in the videos, I noticed the winners had different actions they all used long barrels 26 to 28 inch. And most of the winners used Eley ammunition and Harrel barrel tuners. So, I gathered op all the parts and built me a rifle and while I never won a match, I did come in 5th place in a field of 18 shooters.
I am new to 22LR and with a degree in mechanical engineering (at least that’s what the piece paper say😅). I just want to extend my thanks and say that was an excellent video and loved how you totally geek out ! I am toward the end of getting my rifle build (vudoo 360 with a fluted 20” bartlein, and threaded) and will be dealing with all the stuffs you just covered, so thanks for the heads up.
I love these 22lr tutorials that you have presented us with! I shoot precision rimfire benchrest. I always sort my bullets first by wieght then by rim thickness. I notice a lot less "Flyers" & if there is one it usually only costs me a point. Now I know people scoff at this , but for me it is one less thing to worry about when I am behind the scope. Again great video though I will continue to sort for my own peace of mind!
@@EagleEyeShooting Violent? I guess my personal opinion is not too far off that 95% of people regardless of education or economic status are just idiots. You do outstanding work on your videos.
My grandfather has an old rem 541-t that he would shoot same hole groups at 50yards and won countless rimfire matches. I used to take it out and shoot it to pass time and could never get it to do what he could make it do. But the more I shot the more I realized I was taking my head off the comb about the time the trigger broke and learned to calm myself and look through the scope to see my impacts instead of anticipating the shot and trying to see where I hit before the hun was fired😂 so I always tell my buddies operator error is 80% of missed shots. But anyhow I absolutely enjoy your videos keep it up
I am old enough to remember when we would shoot a 16 or 16.5” on a Thompson Contender Center in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s so don’t beat yourself to bad. That was the game then 😊
WOW !!! What great info. I wonder if the bullet hardness differs within one brand : say Eley between Tenex, Match, Team, Club, Pistol . I would be interested in a 26” barrel for Ruger Precision Rimfire in 22LR when available.
This video has been very enlightening for me, being now able to understand the factors affecting .22LR accuracy. I have spent good money on what I believed were the best components, Anschultz 1710 rifle, NightForce NX8 scope and Lapua Centre X ammo yet to be disappointed watching a well executed shot drop the projectile into the Bench Rest 50 target below the one I was aiming for! It does come down to the ammo, and it is disappointing to spend top dollar on Brand Ammo to receive poor quality. SK match has worked reasonably well but not good enough to win competitions, Centre X showed some improvement but the bad rounds destroyed any chance of good results.
Fantastic video and information. Many thanks, I have learned so much from this and really appreciate the depth and detail that you cover. Every day is a learning day and this is a good one. I’ve just subscribed. 👍Chris UK
Here's another theory on why the longer barrels might be more consistent. Do think it is possible that when the bullet leaves the barrel the hollow base of the bullet will have a tendency to flare a little if the pressure is higher and this would hurt consistency? With the longer barrel the pressure is lower and the base of the bullet would flare less or not at all. I say this because I have recovered fired 22LR bullets from very short barrelled pistols and the bases were grossly flared. I also think you are right. Those soft lead bullets are kind of swaged by the barrel and if they happen to go through a tighter spot they are soft enough to kind of swell back to shape for full obturation. A harder bullet may not do this so if it encounters a tight spot it will remain deformed and will develop more "looseness" as it travels down the bore and encounters more tight spots. I say this because as a trained forensic bullet examiner it is well know that with lead bullets, the striations we compare are usually from the last inches of the barrel whereas with jacketed bullets they will pickup different striations on their surface all the way down the barrel. The jackets are harder and are permanently deformed or at least until the bullet encounters something else later that might over-engrave the first striation.
Much appreciate sharing your expertise from training. This gives good insight. Thank-You. The shorter barrels do give less time for the bullet to return back as you mentioned. This definitely will effect the bullets BC value
The gunsmiths you've spoken too are absolutely correct. Reducing the material around the muzzle adversely allows a "whipping or harmonic" to collect and can reduce accuracy. Even adding a thread protector and its torque effects this
You earned a new subscriber. Please do a video on the remington 597 bull barrel. My son and I have 2 of them. At 200 yards 10 shots none leave the dime size circle. Have rifles will travel.
The obturation aspect of having lot to lot success is a really good insight. I have to wonder where the barrel manufacturers/ rifle makers for International Smallbore come down on this. After all, that’s who the R&D for high end rimfire is geared to historically.
Love 22lr, your series is awesome. Way more complex than i thought. All my knowledge was hunting knowledge,anecdotal. Started with 10/22. Horrible trigger picky barrel. At100yd would throw plicking ammo all over. Stingers were the only ones it liked. As a kid too cheap to buy better. After replacing barrel and trigger what a diff. Now prairie dogs at 100 yd not a problem. After watching yout vids how little i know. Thanks for all the info. Will watch your all your vids. Whats your website? Thanks again! Tw
I have thousands of rounds of Fed automatch I bought years ago. 1.5" groups at 25yds... My dwindling pile of standard velocity CCI has no problem clover leafing at 25yd. I just want to control some squirrels with my junk rifle. Not sure what to do with all this ammo.
Interesting video. Sorry I didn't find it sooner. Regarding longer barrels being more accurate, another factor to consider is that after the powder burns out, the further down the tube the bullet goes, the lower the residual gas pressure and temperature get, so there will be a reduction in muzzle blast playing off the bullet base with a longer barrel. That will reduce lateral drift caused by any degree of asymmetry there may be in how that blast deflects off the bullet base.
I love to learn, this is some real great learning on something very interesting & cool. I have a feeling my 24” Remington 550-1 from 1943 is so accurate for a definite reason/reasons I’m learning. Thanks, great Video. I think I will weigh and separate a box for federal auto match soon. Also look into some ELEY. I’m leaning more towards wanting more 24” barrel.22,s then any other lengths after seeing this. Makes sence to me. With my 40+ years of shooting I fully see it honestly. With your experience, what is the most consistent ammo available affordably?
Thankyou firstly. I've been trying eley semi auto bench rest with really good results. Also SK Pistol Match Special is another great alternative. Both can be purchased at around 9$/ box
Amazing video, thanks for the detailed explanations. The mass market wants 18" or 20" barrels but Anschutz and Eley have been doing this for decades, and they use 24"...
Looks like you had a bad lot of Center X. I've heard the covid disruption has had some serious impact on Lapua quality. Hope they have turned it around. Because lot testing is so critical with rimfire ammo I'm a huge fan of having Capstone do the testing. Wish Eley offered a similar service
Just found you, and I'm glad I did. Awesome video that answered questions that I have had forever. I do have a question concerning the Ruger 10/22. maybe you can help. I have built 2 Steel Challenge rifles, both using Tactical Solutions barrels, and they both work great. However, in my quest to make an even lighter rifle I made a barrel as follows. I took the standard Ruger barrel and cut it down to 6", turned the last 4" down to .50" diameter, heat swaged an aluminum tube onto it giving me a total barrel length of 16.25", and a weight of 11 oz. Accuracy is great for SC shooting, but the gun will not function properly because the weight of the bolt, and the spring rate are designed for a rifle length barrel, not a pistol length. So now the question. Should I reduce the weight of the bolt or just use a lighter spring? Or a little of both? My fear of going to a lighter spring is that with the bolt going forward I may not have enough energy to strip a round from the magazine. I polish the lips on the magazines to eliminate drag, and reduced the spring tension in the mags by reducing the number of turns on them. Any suggestions as to which way to go?
I believe that obturation is the expansioñ of a bullet casing under ignition pressure which in turn causes the case to grip the chamber walls. This greatly improves the safety of many cartridges by preventing the bases of cartridges being torn off. When the pressure releases the case shrinks down and can be extracted. (,Information sourced from Wikipedia)
Their is projectile obturation, the temporary elastic property of a lead projectil to seal inside the bore and mitigate gas cutting. (Look up obturation on cast bullets). And thiers the same with the case...... both work differently
My CZ 457 varmint 20 inch with a KRG chassis shooting clovers at 50 yards with CCI standard. No idea how I got so lucky with the standard stock barrel, but I'll take it. thanks for the video man
At one point I got in to break barrel air rifles and I figured out there was one brand of pellets that seated in the barrel more consistently than others like crossman which had a variance in tightness when seating the pellets. The crossman was a softer lead as well I noticed. The brand that seated more consistently had tighter groups.
I’m not sure what it is exactly either but I do feel that around 18-20” something is “settling down” I thought maybe it was more velocity related. But your the one with the awesome tools lol so keep doin whatcha doing! Very interesting
Dude this is a GREAT SERIES !!! Thanks for taking the time to put this all together, it’s obvious there is a ton of time in this video . Super well done Buddy
Old timers use to put 24 inch Barrels and 26 inch barrels and I have to think the added length would have to help to conform the bullet and maybe just maybe it would help to make the bullet a little more concentric and in return help the bullet fly just a little bit truer. If it doesn`t slow the bullet down I would think they had it right but then they probably didn`t have machine as well made as the gun smith have today.
One of the most accurate 22lr rifles I ever shot was a friend’s old marlin lever action with a very long barrel that probably had national debt equivalent rounds thru it. So I do agree barrel length selection must be either for accuracy or velocity. Unicorn are just that until either technology or manufacturer care improves.
What you are talking about is what my dad and I discovered years ago with .38 special and 30-06 by casting our own lead bullets for accuracy 😊 my best .22 rifle for accuracy was and is a 1970 bought Marlin 39-A Golden rifle and my dad’s 1917 Remington Infield world war 1 rifle with a 150grain round nose cast lead bullet 😊 He would work and learn the right mix of lead 😊 it was fun to watch him do this😊he is now in heaven 😊dad always spoke of barrel lenght and velocity to get those tight groups
@@richardmattix5322the longer barrels works just fine 20,22,24, and 26 was sometimes the sweet spot😊I am old enough to watch those old timers do it😊I enjoyed spending all day at a 200 yard rifle range from 1963 to 1972 😊
Good that you touched on lead ( bullet ) hardness. there are so many myths about this subject especially in the handgun side of things. I like the way you approached and presented your analysis of what you find to be the causes for downrange performance. I wish I could afford to have you build a 22 for me ( to old and to broke to really matter) what I like the most about you is your work ethic , attention to detail and how you backup your approach with real life testing - analysis. Keep up the good work. Love your videos.
Yes I do too
Your 100 +% right on this site . My thoughts about having one of his " builds " is the same . I'm 79 of age and counting, unfortunately, poor as well .🤑🥴
Man, the wealth of information offered in this video is incredible. Great editing as well, good pace as the video continues.
One thing is for sure he does an above average job of promoting his self.
I have nothing to contribute, but I feel like you deserve a comment… Fabulous information based on your real world experience. We need more of this in the world!
Just started watching your site today 08/24/24 . Your ability to professionally explain and research all the intricacies of 22 LR. bullets and Barrel's was actually easy to understand . The barrel length study was extraordinarily informative . It eliminated the idea of shorter Barrel's, on the premise, the powder was exhausted well before the 24 " mark . Thank you ,
Cedric
Thank you for giving us more answers to questions in terms that relate to actual shooting accuracy results. The time that you have spent researching and doing the leg work is amazing. Keep the videos coming.
Dude, with this series of videos you've started writing the "Online .22 Rimfire Bible"! Trust me, there are many of us who appreciate you imparting your knowledge to us.
I'm 74 years old and have been a .22 rimfire nut since I was a kid. Lots of smallbore silhouette shooting, small game and pest hunting, and just pretty much loving being on the shooting end of .22 rifles and pistols. Your series has answered a lot of questions for me and I really appreciate your deep dive into the science and art of .22 rimfire. I also shoot PCP .22 caliber air rifles a lot and find it quite exciting that the trend lately is toward slugs rather than traditional diabolo pellets. In fact, the high end air rifle ballistics are about the same as standard velocity .22 rimfire ammo while maintaining excellent accuracy. Have you looked at any of the air rifle barrel and slug designs? Thanks for the great videos. Jess
Great stuff! Your explanation of the cold bore shot phenomenon makes complete sense. I hadn’t realized how many factors there are that determine 22 ammo consistency and accuracy.
You did an awesome job explaining that. Tons of information concisely and directly presented logically. Things that I've never even thought of with 22LR. Super awesome
Really enjoyed this episode! Easy to understand ,and follow what you were explaining! Definitely makes me question the wisdom of spending money on cans and muzzle brakes on.22 rimfire rifles!! Whole lot of money,for diminishing returns!!😮 😊 Great information!!
Learned a HUGE amount from you man. Glad the entire RUclips world isn’t all just marketing. Thanks for putting this together.
Excellent analysis! First time I have seen the hardness variable addressed in a video on 22LR. Thanks for the educational update.
Your understanding of these concepts is amazing. Excellent video.
Your practical insight is a wealth of wise counsel. Thank you! The series unfolded at a perfect pace with verification of the facts with your testing gear and observation of the results.
Wow! This was a LOT of very interesting and educational information! Well done! I will have to watch this video a few more times to fully absorb it all, but that's OK, I enjoyed it! Thanks for putting this together! Definitely "THUMBS UP"!
Loving the series, and your sense of humor. Thanks Kenny!
You’ve just done your pHd thesis. Excellent! Mind opener. Man my OCD just got worse.
Coming from PRS and mil sniper comps, apparently my arrogance thought I would pick up NRL22 right up. Wouldn’t you know .22 is a whole new world. I don’t like to waist my time with processes that BR or F class guys do. I have nothing against them just not my style of shooting. I also need to know the science behind the process backed up with practical use in testing. Thank you for your knowledge and the work you put into this information.
Dave
FANTASTIC VIDEO!! There are almost good videos on bullet casting and accuracy. Nicely done!
One of the best scientific studies have seen. I would like to see more of these.
Great video and explanation. Appreciate the work. Tons of stuff to learn.
Wow fantastic lessons in 22 lr. While i didn't fully understand everything it was great.
Nice video. Well done. I liked the explanation on lead hardness and flyers
This was one of the most educational videos Ive watched in a long time. Definitely helped me understand more about what Im looking for in my custom 22LR when I order one.
Sir you have so much knowledge. I just subbed. I have a off the shelf Savage 22lr 64. I hunt varmits and squirrel at 25 to 65 yards. I can do this but I really have learn so much from you. I enjoy your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Great video, educational, always stuff to learn.
Great video thanks for taking the huge amount of time to make it. You are very well spoken as well as knowledgeable..
Great video - I’m an older ( new ) 22lr shooter, running two CZ 457’s - Lux and Varmint MTR, both shoot better than me. Only about .2 difference between them. Always learning, always trying to practice what I can control - but Always having a Blast trying to better my groups !! Keep up with your videos !!! Thanks
Wow , to just give away all that hard earned knowledge , to anybody that has an entrust in accuracy , is very giving of you . The information is very interesting . Thank you for your time
The most accurate 22lr I own is an Anschutz match 54, 24in barrel. If you swage a bullet through the barrel you'll notice the bore diameter gradually tightens. They hand lap the barrel at the factory with fewer strokes at the muzzle, this probably allows for a more gradual deformation of the bullet
That 24 inch barrel is the sweet spot like on a Marlin 39A golden made before 1990 I am just picking a year but you can tell what I mean Remington bought them
So much information. Was amazing to hear different perspectives on the why's of .22lr accuracy. Love what you do.
Loved your documentary, your explanations are easily followed, having been a turner in the past, it brought back some great memories!
This was so good that I had to save the video and I will watch probably 10 more times to take it all in.. Loved it.
You have a good way of explaining things like this. Thank you for the knowledge
Great video and TONS of information !! Gives us geek shooters lots to think about.
Man, I am glad you are building my next 22LR rifle. Every time I watch your videos I learn something useful. In fact I watched this video three times before I made a comment!
Great video with a wealth of understandable useful sensible information!
This is a great series which I’ve rewatched several times. One of the things I just picked out of the part 2 is less grooves for deformation and that brings me back to Matt’s rifle with the Shilen four groove ratchet rifling. If you’re shooting groups where you have sighter shots and then KYL at 100yds with no sighter shots does the ratchet style rifling help. Great info Kenny.
Kenny, great info as always. Might take my mind a bit to process 🤣.
Thanks Kenny for all of the information and video.
facts correlating in reality, finally...love it, thank you sir!
I have the Area 419 bolt knob on my 308 Bergara HMR it’s cool. Watching all your videos about these 22 bolt guns is seriously making me want a 22 to match the 308. You should do a Ruger mark II 22 pistol barrel with some of those cut offs. Have a tac driver pistol and a cool talking piece to boot.
Really enjoyed the class and learned quite a lot.
I've just found this channel yesterday and have bookmarked about 1/2 the vids I've watched. Florida doesn't seem to have a big rimfire community and/or competitions, but who doesn't want an accurate rifle? Thanks for the valuable information!!
Looking forward to your 457 barrels! My varmint 20” non MTR is producing about 0.5-0.8” 10 shot groups at 50. But it can keep 20/20 rounds on a 2” circle in calm conditions at 100.
Not great not terrible but I figure I’ll either tolerate it and continue ammo testing or just go balls out on the nicest custom barrel. I realize the CZ is not optimum with its 1” max diameter but I think I’d want 26” minimum. Plus… as evidenced by my 28” super Lux long bois are pretty dang quiet with match/subsonic
Very informative series Kenny…
Thanks! A real education. Great in depth detail. Awesome vid.
I did make it to the end. Good info Kenny. Keep doing the good work you doing Brother. I’ll have to go back & watch part 1. Thanks for sharing
enjoyed hearing your astute knowledge .
Thank you, SIR, for very interesting and informative video! I'm a LONG TIME (about 60 year 22lr shooter, I'm 71). The first 2-22lrs, a Remington Nylon 66 and a Ruger Mk I, which started my PASSION with shooting 22lrs. I've not quite gotten to your level of expertise, but I do enjoy shooting ACCURATE weapons. Right now, I'm in a kinda LIMBO area now trying to recover from having a FIRE at my old house that was in my BEDROOM at 3AM!!😮 I'm LUCKY to be ALIVE, actually! I did lose a couple of my TOYS, and just a couple of months ago, I got the REST OF MY TOYS from a friend who was holding them while the insurance company played out which has been a NIGHTMARE to say the least!! They DRAGGED their feet and weren't very helpful, actually! They almost acted as if dealing with the aftermath of a FIRE was something I was very familiar with!! This was the FIRST TIME, and I PERSONALLY haven't known anyone who has had to deal with this CATASTROPHE!!! Getting back to shooting 22lrs, I'm on a older Single shot kick NOW! I was curious how ACCURATE some of the old rifles from before, during, and after
the turn of the century rifles and PREWWII German training rifles were!! The quality of material and WORKMANSHIP is very evident since most of my OLD TOYS still function as well as they did when they were NEW more than 100 years ago, which is a testament to the quality of the OLD WORLD CRAFTMANSHIP and best materials at that time!!!😊 I'm in the process of putting them through their paces checking how ACCURATE they are. I've got a couple of really cool pieces: Remington Rolling Block #4 and a 1 1/2 sporter in 22lr (only made less than 5,000 in all the deferent rim-fire calibers). It's quite heavy with a 24" octagon barrel that is .776" across the flats and it's got a SWEET TRIGGER!! I want to try to get a original rear tang sight for it to increase my sight radius, to make more accurate shots. I wouldn't think of putting a SCOPE on it, it would look STUPID even if I got one of the OLD STYLE LONG SCOPES from that time period but they are quite EXPENSIVE and I like the tang sights (I'm sure they were much more common and prevalent back then!!) I like being able to hit small things at a 100 or so yards with old rifles that would make some NEW, MODERN AND EXPENSIVE 22lrs JEALOUS!!!😮😅😅 KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PROMOTING THE SHOOTING SPORTS!!!😊😊😊
Thank you for all the data/detail.
What an abundance of useful information, THANK YOU!
Hi, I liked the two videos very much, but I took a different way to come to the same conclusions. I love shooting the 22lr, but I wanted to shoot in the BR 50-50 matches at my local range in VA. Like you said in the videos, I noticed the winners had different actions they all used long barrels 26 to 28 inch. And most of the winners used Eley ammunition and Harrel barrel tuners. So, I gathered op all the parts and built me a rifle and while I never won a match, I did come in 5th place in a field of 18 shooters.
Kettlefoot by chance?
@@jonathanrollins2470 Not Kettlefoot, I was shooting at Blackcreek shooters on the other end of the state.
Incredible wealth of information!
I am new to 22LR and with a degree in mechanical engineering (at least that’s what the piece paper say😅). I just want to extend my thanks and say that was an excellent video and loved how you totally geek out ! I am toward the end of getting my rifle build (vudoo 360 with a fluted 20” bartlein, and threaded) and will be dealing with all the stuffs you just covered, so thanks for the heads up.
I love these 22lr tutorials that you have presented us with! I shoot precision rimfire benchrest. I always sort my bullets first by wieght then by rim thickness. I notice a lot less "Flyers" & if there is one it usually only costs me a point. Now I know people scoff at this , but for me it is one less thing to worry about when I am behind the scope. Again great video though I will continue to sort for my own peace of mind!
Its an argument I've personally seen Sunday shooters become violent lol.
Way over my head lol but enjoyed. Good stuff
@@EagleEyeShooting Violent? I guess my personal opinion is not too far off that 95% of people regardless of education or economic status are just idiots.
You do outstanding work on your videos.
Great video Kenny and great work thanks for sharing
Excellent video!
My grandfather has an old rem 541-t that he would shoot same hole groups at 50yards and won countless rimfire matches. I used to take it out and shoot it to pass time and could never get it to do what he could make it do. But the more I shot the more I realized I was taking my head off the comb about the time the trigger broke and learned to calm myself and look through the scope to see my impacts instead of anticipating the shot and trying to see where I hit before the hun was fired😂 so I always tell my buddies operator error is 80% of missed shots. But anyhow I absolutely enjoy your videos keep it up
Now I am beginning to regret the 16.5" barrel on my CZ. Beggars can't be choosers though and thank you for the mythbusting😄👍
I am old enough to remember when we would shoot a 16 or 16.5” on a Thompson Contender Center in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s so don’t beat yourself to bad. That was the game then 😊
WOW !!! What great info. I wonder if the bullet hardness differs within one brand : say Eley between Tenex,
Match, Team, Club, Pistol .
I would be interested in a 26” barrel for Ruger Precision Rimfire in 22LR when available.
This video has been very enlightening for me, being now able to understand the factors affecting .22LR accuracy. I have spent good money on what I believed were the best components, Anschultz 1710 rifle, NightForce NX8 scope and Lapua Centre X ammo yet to be disappointed watching a well executed shot drop the projectile into the Bench Rest 50 target below the one I was aiming for! It does come down to the ammo, and it is disappointing to spend top dollar on Brand Ammo to receive poor quality. SK match has worked reasonably well but not good enough to win competitions, Centre X showed some improvement but the bad rounds destroyed any chance of good results.
Jeez that was insightful, fantastic information, thank you
Fantastic video and information. Many thanks, I have learned so much from this and really appreciate the depth and detail that you cover. Every day is a learning day and this is a good one. I’ve just subscribed. 👍Chris
UK
Thank-you! Appreciate the support. We'll learn together
Here's another theory on why the longer barrels might be more consistent. Do think it is possible that when the bullet leaves the barrel the hollow base of the bullet will have a tendency to flare a little if the pressure is higher and this would hurt consistency? With the longer barrel the pressure is lower and the base of the bullet would flare less or not at all. I say this because I have recovered fired 22LR bullets from very short barrelled pistols and the bases were grossly flared. I also think you are right. Those soft lead bullets are kind of swaged by the barrel and if they happen to go through a tighter spot they are soft enough to kind of swell back to shape for full obturation. A harder bullet may not do this so if it encounters a tight spot it will remain deformed and will develop more "looseness" as it travels down the bore and encounters more tight spots. I say this because as a trained forensic bullet examiner it is well know that with lead bullets, the striations we compare are usually from the last inches of the barrel whereas with jacketed bullets they will pickup different striations on their surface all the way down the barrel. The jackets are harder and are permanently deformed or at least until the bullet encounters something else later that might over-engrave the first striation.
Much appreciate sharing your expertise from training. This gives good insight. Thank-You. The shorter barrels do give less time for the bullet to return back as you mentioned. This definitely will effect the bullets BC value
Never to much information… Thanks
Damn top self vid n info, you rock brother
Very informative, thank you, liked and suscribed, and shared
Great video with lots of useful content. Much appreciated and I subscribed.
Holy mackerel. This is some knowledge right here. And I thought I had a decent understanding of accurate rifles. I was wrong.
Very informative, always
Thanks Kenny !!!
Sir, sorry, you addressed the issue perfectly. thank you
The gunsmiths you've spoken too are absolutely correct. Reducing the material around the muzzle adversely allows a "whipping or harmonic" to collect and can reduce accuracy. Even adding a thread protector and its torque effects this
You earned a new subscriber. Please do a video on the remington 597 bull barrel. My son and I have 2 of them. At 200 yards 10 shots none leave the dime size circle. Have rifles will travel.
Great content….love the subject matter…
Very impressive presentation 👍
Super Informative Video, I’ve learned a lot from it, you earned a subscription from me for sure
Super interesting, like the indeed ballistics
The obturation aspect of having lot to lot success is a really good insight. I have to wonder where the barrel manufacturers/ rifle makers for International Smallbore come down on this. After all, that’s who the R&D for high end rimfire is geared to historically.
Love 22lr, your series is awesome. Way more complex than i thought. All my knowledge was hunting knowledge,anecdotal. Started with 10/22. Horrible trigger picky barrel. At100yd would throw plicking ammo all over. Stingers were the only ones it liked. As a kid too cheap to buy better. After replacing barrel and trigger what a diff. Now prairie dogs at 100 yd not a problem. After watching yout vids how little i know. Thanks for all the info. Will watch your all your vids. Whats your website? Thanks again! Tw
Really liked this.
I have thousands of rounds of Fed automatch I bought years ago. 1.5" groups at 25yds... My dwindling pile of standard velocity CCI has no problem clover leafing at 25yd. I just want to control some squirrels with my junk rifle. Not sure what to do with all this ammo.
Awesome video! I will using this information to teach Scouts about rimfire rifle shooting.
Very cool presentation of your research.
Interesting video. Sorry I didn't find it sooner.
Regarding longer barrels being more accurate, another factor to consider is that after the powder burns out, the further down the tube the bullet goes, the lower the residual gas pressure and temperature get, so there will be a reduction in muzzle blast playing off the bullet base with a longer barrel. That will reduce lateral drift caused by any degree of asymmetry there may be in how that blast deflects off the bullet base.
Fantastic content! No opinion, just data and facts! This shed some light on my own experience!
I love to learn, this is some real great learning on something very interesting & cool. I have a feeling my 24” Remington 550-1 from 1943 is so accurate for a definite reason/reasons I’m learning. Thanks, great Video. I think I will weigh and separate a box for federal auto match soon. Also look into some ELEY. I’m leaning more towards wanting more 24” barrel.22,s then any other lengths after seeing this. Makes sence to me. With my 40+ years of shooting I fully see it honestly. With your experience, what is the most consistent ammo available affordably?
Thankyou firstly. I've been trying eley semi auto bench rest with really good results. Also SK Pistol Match Special is another great alternative. Both can be purchased at around 9$/ box
Amazing video, thanks for the detailed explanations. The mass market wants 18" or 20" barrels but Anschutz and Eley have been doing this for decades, and they use 24"...
Looks like you had a bad lot of Center X. I've heard the covid disruption has had some serious impact on Lapua quality. Hope they have turned it around. Because lot testing is so critical with rimfire ammo I'm a huge fan of having Capstone do the testing. Wish Eley offered a similar service
Awesome information. I just started my training with 22lr rifles. This will be helpful. Thanks.
Great content! It was awesome. Learned a lot!
Thank-you 🤙
great episode
Just found you, and I'm glad I did. Awesome video that answered questions that I have had forever. I do have a question concerning the Ruger 10/22. maybe you can help. I have built 2 Steel Challenge rifles, both using Tactical Solutions barrels, and they both work great. However, in my quest to make an even lighter rifle I made a barrel as follows. I took the standard Ruger barrel and cut it down to 6", turned the last 4" down to .50" diameter, heat swaged an aluminum tube onto it giving me a total barrel length of 16.25", and a weight of 11 oz. Accuracy is great for SC shooting, but the gun will not function properly because the weight of the bolt, and the spring rate are designed for a rifle length barrel, not a pistol length. So now the question. Should I reduce the weight of the bolt or just use a lighter spring? Or a little of both? My fear of going to a lighter spring is that with the bolt going forward I may not have enough energy to strip a round from the magazine. I polish the lips on the magazines to eliminate drag, and reduced the spring tension in the mags by reducing the number of turns on them. Any suggestions as to which way to go?
I believe that obturation is the expansioñ of a bullet casing under ignition pressure which in turn causes the case to grip the chamber walls. This greatly improves the safety of many cartridges by preventing the bases of cartridges being torn off.
When the pressure releases the case shrinks down and can be extracted.
(,Information sourced from Wikipedia)
Their is projectile obturation, the temporary elastic property of a lead projectil to seal inside the bore and mitigate gas cutting. (Look up obturation on cast bullets). And thiers the same with the case...... both work differently
WOW!!! That was fantastic.
My CZ 457 varmint 20 inch with a KRG chassis shooting clovers at 50 yards with CCI standard. No idea how I got so lucky with the standard stock barrel, but I'll take it. thanks for the video man
Fantastic
At one point I got in to break barrel air rifles and I figured out there was one brand of pellets that seated in the barrel more consistently than others like crossman which had a variance in tightness when seating the pellets. The crossman was a softer lead as well I noticed. The brand that seated more consistently had tighter groups.
I’m not sure what it is exactly either but I do feel that around 18-20” something is “settling down” I thought maybe it was more velocity related. But your the one with the awesome tools lol so keep doin whatcha doing! Very interesting