Did they really pixelate the game to make it sharper instead of slapping some CAS on it and calling it a day? What was the logic in thinking behind that decision?
It's interesting how final fantasy 7 seems to be the perfect game for a remake. Not only because it's insanely popular and came out at a where 3D graphics were not quite up to snuff yet, but also because it starts off in a city before opening up to the larger world which allows square chance to create the first game and get the engine/ technology ready to do the more expansive parts of the game. It really is turning out to be an amazing project
Except they didn’t get the engine/tech ready. There are still loading elevators and other “environmental loading” segments that make the world feel disjointed. In fact it seems like they didn’t fix any of the technical problems remake had.
@@hostileenvironment6107If they were just "lazy cashins" they'd just make a 1 to 1 remake with updated visuals and voice acting and be done with it. Say what you will about the direction they're going with the story but you can't deny they at least put a lot of passion into this project
How does this even work? 40 Hz is just slightly less choppy than 30 Hz, A 60 Hz monitor can do 40 Hz just fine and it'll feel the same as a 120 Hz one. Unless you're talking about some frame interpolation stuff that some TVs have.
@@ShiroNoFunea 60hz monitor cant do 40 just fine as its not a division of 60, 40 is a division of 120 tho. WIth VRR/ freesync 40 could be done on a 60hz monitor though
@@ShiroNoFune40fps is exactly half way between 30fps and 60fps. 30fps= 33.3ms 60fps= 16.6ms 40fps= 25ms it ends up feeling a lot more smooth and responsive and 30fps plus the game has way more miliseconds for making a high quality image. It's a fantastic compromise between the 2 modes and in practice getting most/all of the benefits of Graphics mode but with better smoothness.
I'm on a 4k oled. it does look noticeably worse in some scenes, especially the foliage shot. Think I'll wait this one out for when it comes to PC in a year...
The blur seems the same, but there's added pixelation. It's not even nearest neighbor scaling, which normally does make the image look much sharper at the cost of increased pixelation. I don't know what it is we're seeing here. Just Japanese magic.
@@thebrigade7684retrotink is prolly just some upscaler type device, and I think saying amazing picture was to note the follow up results of using it, but idk lol
I'm still holding on to a miracle that the performance mode gets fixed (and soon I hope). The blurriness is very distracting and I literally have a hard time making out what's on the screen at times. I've been replaying Remake right now and the performance mode in that game looks noticeably better.
They should normalize what Ratchet & Clank did. Performance mode at 40 FPS. It does work. Unless you're way too picky about it. It does play good and looks good.
And 30fps can look great too if you do a good work. I played Spiderman 2 at 30fps and I actually didn't feel that much of a difference because the feeling and the motion blur were amazing.
No, this is not it. The PS5 has hardware to allow 60 FPS on pretty much any game. What we need is developers doing different stuff other than just "yeah let's just lower the res until we hit 60 FPS". Lowering details, shadow resolution, maybe disabling Ray Tracing effects entirely. This is the way. Not to mention 30 FPS at this point in time is basically unplayable for anyone used to playing at 60-120 FPS.
@@ShiroNoFune that's why every performance video needs to display the fps on screen, i'm pretty sure you can't tell the difference between 40 and 60 if it not displayed
I'm going Quality mode for sure. I've played the original back in 1997, I don't need 60 fps to appreciate the game that has turned my hobby into passion. ❤
I thought the PS5's SSD was meant to have resolved the texture streaming issues? It's bizarre how the PS4 textures are back a generation later and looking worse than ever...
@DigitalFoundry Can you cover how the game handles 1080p? I'm curious if it's possible to play 60fps at native 1080p under any circumstances or if the performance mode will only run at 60fps with lower resolutions that upscale to 1080p or if the quality mode will only run at 30fps and hit a native 1080p. Mostly asking for Streamers as so few bother playing above 1080p and it seems like running at such low resolutions there should enjoy a decent compromise where you see 60fps with no further downsides aside from the resolution.
The game doesn’t care about your screen resolution. It will just use the designed resolution on each mode (performance/quality) regardless of your image output… that’s something that it is completely out of our control on consoles. In other words, no performance gain if your screen has lower resolutions.
what yuriloki said The game will render internally at a predesignated resolution and then scale the image to your output resolution (what you set your TV to); so that means literally 0 performance impact by changing the output resolution.
Final fantasy XVI looks a lot better in terms of detail, shadows etc, however FF XVI also runs at 30FPS around 1080p so it evens out as FF VII Rebirth runs at 4K at 30FPS. I was expecting much much more from both of them though.
@@samogonbrother You should watch digital foundrys vid lol. It'll drop as low as 720p just to hold 60. And drops as low as 1080p to hold 30.... That's pathetic
@@samogonbrother Watch digital foundrys vid on it Actually it's even worse. Just re watched the video. It's "performance mode" averages close to 720p. And still drops to the 30s. It's "quality mode" maxes out st 1440p. But often hangs at 1080p. Then used fsr 1 for upscaling. Which makes it looks worse
One thing that should also be called out is the UI scaling. It seems it's just using nearest neighbor from 1080p no matter what mode you are using. Looks pixelated at 4K. A really baffling oversight in my opinion.
Despite the choice being between Switch mode blurfest or choppy 30fps, this sits at metacritic 93 with glowing reviews everywhere and the game director celebrating on Twitter like it's mission accomplished. This is why they don't bother putting the optimisation in. Games media and a vocal minority online will always sandbag and gaslight for them.
This is why you dont stray from beautifully crafted set pieces like in FF7 intergrade to an "open world" game that is really just a bunch of grass & rocks in a huge landcape with the occasional handcrafted area to explore. You end up with a PS5 exclusive that has worse looking textures & lightning than its previous predecessor that released on PS4 during 2020.. 🤦
Square developers seem to be technically inept with a slew of disappointingly poor releases. It feels like they never made it out of the PS3 era. Maybe it's time for some new talent.
Hopefully the statement Sony made about wanting to release more titles and exclusives simultaneously on PC at launch holds true and comes sooner rather than later. Having to choose between fairly good visuals and choppy gameplay or inconsistently ok/bad visuals with still not even consistent framerate even only at 60 fps is a pretty poor set of options. Having to wait years for it to come to pc so we can actually play it with an enjoyable framerate and great visuals is genuinely sad.
Which it will get. Exactly when we don't know except "sometime after 05-29-2024" since "Not avaliable on other formats until at least 05-29-2024" appears at the end of each trailer (the ones uploaded to the official Playstation YT channel). Don't see why they would bother putting that unless a PC port was already planned from the start. Which I'm sure it was. Wouldn't make much sense to bring Remake to PC and none of the other parts.
The graphics mode is running at 30fps but the in game animation is not. All character animation is updating at under 30fps, roughly around 1x - 2x fps only. That's why it looks so lagging when playing in graphic mode compare to Remake. All real time cut scene is fine, only in game animation is problematic. I believe this is owing to the new "terrain action" where developer updated the animation system in rebirth which make animation not updating in time. Hope digital foundry can look into it.
FF16's challenges felt impossible in 30FPS. I switched to 60FPS and I completed them instantly with ease. I'll wait for a PC release for this one personally!
I'm gonna play this one on 30fps,i played the demo on the graphics mode and i was able to use parry and It was good optimization,in this game i think i can play in 30fps,because It is not like ff16,that game was more faster combat,this game is more tatic combat you have to use the comands and materia not just press Square,performance mod look blurry and bad in this game.
@@Aid3nn33 oh lord , you are so much better than everyone here in the comments. Praise you and your native 4k, we shall all kneel befor you, because you are the chosen one
@@Aid3nn33Looking at your other comments, why are you reminding everyone of your greatness? King, we have not forgotten your superiority. Shine your 4k native from the heavens in Aiden we praise, amen 🙏🏻
The release version with day one patch seems very very very slightly more clean. But in game Cloud model is still not on the lvl like in Remake in terms of looking res and detail. We have a different gen and PS5 is so much better than a PS4 Pro is. It should have at least have image quality like the remake in performance even though it's larger scale.
I hope this is another case of horizon forbidden west performance mode quirks. I recall at launch, performance mode was quite blurry with lots of shimmering and a weird discolouration effect when panning the camera. But now it's patched and looks surprisingly comparable to quality mode, just slightly softer. Perhaps the devs could pull it off?
@@MetsukiR True but Square Enix doesn't have anything bigger than FF7. FF7 is their biggest franchise by far, it's their golden goose. They'll work to fix it..
But this is a UE4 game. And again, it's Square Enix. I don't think it's a good idea to buy at full price if you expect patches like this; they might never happen. FF16 performance mode (different engine) is still awful.
PlayStation studios are awesome Japanese studios particularly SE would never offer fully polished visual modes especially performance. Did you see how bad the performance mode was in FFXVI?
In the demo, Chadley's training is the 1st time I experienced prolonged loading in an exclusive PS5 game. It was very odd since in ff7remake, for the PS5, it was instant.
@@Bahamut998 FF16 and Forspoken (I got it for $10🤷♂️) both load much faster. Every other PS5 exclusive I have loads much faster. Even the majority of 3rd party games load much faster. And it's weird. It's at a point that doesn't require much loading. It takes about 30 seconds to load between rounds in Chadley's battle simulator. It shouldn't because the only assets being swapped are the enemies. Loading from the title screen to the open world of Junon takes 10 seconds, so it makes no sense why swapping enemies would take 30 seconds. It just seems like poor optimization like the door that never loads in ff7remake for the PS4
FF16 for all its faults is a masterpiece of engineering, they made their ambitions not too large and delivered on a well designed game. That's what CBU3 does. FF7 Rebirth is way bigger in scope and pushes things to the limit with many more problems;@oKingdom
@@Bahamut998 did you not read the 2nd part of my comment??? It takes 10 seconds to load from the title screen to Junon but takes 30 seconds to load between rounds in Chadley's battle simulator. Not going to Chadley, not loading up the first battle but only between rounds. Everything else is 10 seconds or less. Fast travel between Junon less than 5 seconds. Opening menus 1 second. Etc. It's an optimization issue. Like Oliver mentioned in this tech review, FF7REBIRTH is an Unreal Engine 4 game like Remake was. The thing about Unreal Engine games is that they've been known to have poor asset streaming unless the games are optimized. It's why Cloud's door never loaded up the high quality texture in the PS4 version of FF7REMAKE. Or why in so many games during the PS360 era during cutscenes high quality textures would load during the middle of cutscenes. FF16 pushed the PS5 harder than ff7rebirth. It doesn't have RT features like FF16 or Forspoken, which have RT shadows, which pushes the PS5 more since RDNA 2 has weak ray tracing. It's also why FF7Rebirth can have a stable 60fps in performance mode, while in FF16's performance mode fluctuates between 45 and 60fps.
@@sean8102 It's baffling because the pop in and low res texture glitches were gone and fixed in the PS5 version of remake. Maybe it's got something to do with the open world this time?
I don't think we'll ever leave it given how it's easier for developers to target 30FPS while pushing visual boundaries (which also makes for good marketing material).
@@KingRahG Well... give it time on PC & someone will assuredly reverse engineer something so that PC users can get the most out of our hard-ware. We'll be alroight.
I love it. They couldn't think of a way to have him ride one without it looking goofy so they just embraced it. Same with his animation for climbing ladders lol. Saw someone that doesn't care for it (fair enough) saying they would have preferred if Red ran along side the party instead. But then someone pointed out that obviously wouldn't work for the flying/gliding Chocobos.
The PS5 is absolutely capable of more than this. Other games have done it. You'd think they'd want to fully utilize what the PS5 can do. Graphics mode looks so good, but 30fps just doesnt feel right in combat. It would be cool to have like a quick toggle between modes. I wouldn't mind being in graphics mode for exploration and using performance strictly for combat.
I don't understand why DF's "Graphics' mode looks so much smoother and better than mine. Whenever I literally pan the camera or do much of anything the game legit looks like its barely hold 20-25 frames. I figured it was because im playing on a Samsung Odyssey, but even switching to a TV the issue is pretty much the same. It also makes the ghosting super noticeable in certain areas.
Square Enix just needs to use FSR 2.1 to upscale performance mode, getting a cleaner and much sharper image overall. They used FSR 1 in FF16 and that was the worst choice.
@@dennissepulveda6118 These upscaling methods come with UE4 as plugins (it's as easy as turning on a switch) and Square made the performance mode worse by switching from a bilinear upscale to nearest neighbor upscale.
beyond disappointed with performance mode's graphics. Remake's performance mode was a beautiful 1440p. I know Rebirth is much larger in scale but with it being the same engine now truly native PS5, it should look AS good if not better I would have thought.
yeah... you would really think, but idk whatever build or crazy cracked up version of UE4 they're using/made at this point but hopefully no future projects will be made on it, not unless they do some wild improvements to it, which aside from being able to actually handle massive areas and amount of people on screen at one time, it doesnt seem to have been improved in other ways to handle its textures and resolution stuff any better than before
Dude, can you imagine 3dfx seeing Nvidia’s 2 trillion valuation? They were the bomb back then with their SLI solutions. Intel and AMD must be wondering how they ended up small potatoes now.
Square is already bad at handling UE4 which is a last gen engine, with UE5 they would probably enable Nanite/Lumen and the game would run at 540~720p instead.
These games are a labour of love. The lighting, animations, everything was better in remake because they had time to do tweak everything. Screenshots from combat look better in Remake. Rebirth is just so huge you can't expect the same level of detail without waiting twice as long for it. I can appreciate where the developers priorities were set. We almost never get games of this calibre anymore.
This is awful. Both modes. I literally just bought a PS5 to pkay this. Looks like I'm selling it. This will be the last patch. Square Enix are notorious for not fixing anything.
I can't believe characters' feet still don't look like they're walking/ running on ground and instead the model is just floating up and down during running animations on uneven ground.
@@danielbaggins7341yeah I love when games actually have them walk down each stair instead of just gliding over everything with a generic run animation
I'm always so irritated when df talks about resolution and finds super random numbers, like performance mode here hovering around 1152p. what? how? what's going on? is that just a function of aiming for the 60fps mark and how many pixels can be displayed to make that happen? to land on such random resolutions that don't neatly fit or scale into 2160p, 1440p, 1080p, 720p (all the big numbers I know) breaks my brain. how doesn't everything wobble around and tear the visuals apart with such random dynamic resolutions?
I know graphics is not the most important thing. but all reviewers giving 9s and 10s across the board and not even mentioning the fidelity issues is puzzling.
It's true that graphics aren't the most important thing, but these graphics aren't even that bad. DF has to pick on the the most minute details because that's their thing, and the game isn't even out yet, so we don't know what the graphics will be like post patch.
They won't. Too big game and too little time. More bigger fixes will take time, as performance would need to be tested across the whole expansive game. I'm curious if demo fix will be even applied to full game at release.
It can be. But it's a tool. I guarantee at least one game you love is running on UE with how extremely popular it is. The textures have been a issue though since UE3. But again some games are worse than others when it comes to that.
Sure, but it wouldn't have been practical to upskill all the devs to work with another engine and get it out on time. Plus, Square Enix clearly has some sort of arrangement with Epic so that's out.
@@agromchung I see - anyway i preordered the game and for shure will enjoy it on PS5. For me, the demo (pre patch) was graphicswise a litte bummer, but fighting, the music and so on is still amazing and gives me a immersive feeling for the world.
The reason why devs go with a specific engine has mostly to do with cost and the time it takes for their engineers to get familiar with the development environment. This is why unreal engine is so popular is because it’s easy to hire people that already are familiar with the development environment.
Well the next game we will see that uses the Decima engine is either Death Stranding 2 or Horizon 3. Changing toi a comple unrelated Engine would take way more time and we wouild look at a 2026 release for Rebirth at the earliest. They didn't even Switch to UE5 since it itself was still to early in it's lifetime when the work for Rebirth began. Part 3 whatever name it will have will certainly be a UE5 game but that is a late 2027 or rather 2028 game anyway.
I think the point is that most upcoming games are not using the full potential of PS5 and Series X. If a cross gen like Forbidden West can look better than a game released in 2024, something is not right. @@joefawley9264
@@antonytomas1 there's no way Forbidden West is gonna be better than Rebirth. Forbidden West is just a expensive ubisoft game full of map markers and fetch quests
dude how is THIS STILL a problem with next gen graphics lmao the game itself looks fine but holy fucking shit, its been 4 years and square is still having the SAME PROBLEM as remake. I wouldnt be surprised if this game was developed on ps4, idek how its possible, it looks (graphically) worse than remake does? Like HOW?!
Visually speaking, the game doesn’t look much different from the FF7 Remake, and the PS5 performance mode for that usually runs above 1440p and looks pretty good. So I’m not sure why they decided to change their post processing techniques for this game
UE 4.27 released in August 2021, almost 3 years ago. The engine has TAAU and TSR. devs can use FSR 2.1 or FSR 2.2. Do the devs use ANY of these FOUR options? No, they use TAA + bilinear scaling. Why are they so dumb. Why.
I thought TSR was added to UE5. On Epics documentation it says that TSR works by: "It does this by rendering lower internal resolution than what Temporal Anti-Aliasing Upsampling (TAAU) in Unreal Engine 4 could do". I thought that implied that TAAU was a feature of UE4 and TSR a feature of UE5. Could they have backported that feature into UE4? Genuinely asking.
The Japanese are very foolish, it costs them a lot...so much to change their way of working, there you have Fromsoftware using the same archaic Engine for decades, the Tales Of series took years to change to EU and they finally did it with Tales of Arise, their "traditional" nature limits them.
Actually now they're doing TAA + nearest neighbor scaling which is worse than bilinear scaling. They made the performance mode look worse, I honestly couldn't believe it when I loaded up the new patch. FSR 1 at this point would be a massive improvement to the performance mode's visual clarity (though I'm holding out hope for FSR 2 / TSR / TAAU).
That engine been designed for PlayStation for decades. Back in Spyro days. 60fps been a thing since ps2 days. Same with naughty dog engine. It’s really a design of that engine. Unreal engine is really an unstable engine it’s really meant for linear games like gears of war or semi open world like gears 5. I’ve noticed a lot of unreal engine games run like crap. Like ark, Jedi survivor,pal world,hogwarts legacy. They all have issues running specifically in proformance mode.
@@RED-bz9hnYou are talking as if their engine in this game isn’t good, you literally have batman arkham knight running on it and runs and looks better than this
@@tdspkhype3042arkham knight did not even get a next gen update, its still 30fps, and even if some weird built in upscaling on the console's behalf is making it look nicer, its still 1080, if you're gonna bring pc into this then yeah a solid pc is gonna make arkham knight, a 2015 game look insanely good, and the entire game takes place at night where the lighting is very controlled, the rendering distance is very controlled, and buildings obscure everything behind them to save on having shit tons of geometry loaded in at all times, comparing that to an open world game thats gonna have 7 playable characters and 2 in reserve, shit tons of distinct environments, modes of transportation, time of day, and just massive areas to roam around in, varied enemies, yada yada yada it just dont make sense really lol
@@SSlash You are acting as if they didn’t have the ability to optimise it. Finally, dark? Dude did you play Arkham Knight? It’s very much lighted with many lights from multiple neon buildings, something even FF7 doesn’t have. And the rendering distance is actually amazing from the tallest building, you can see what’s happening down, again something FF7 doesn’t have which is verticality. This excuse is really bad since Batman Arkham Knight was a PS4 game, where if it gets an update, it runs 60 fps easily. Plus play it upscaled in xbox or pc, it’s resolution becomes almost 4k, while having constant 60 fps even more if you want to. You saying they controlled lighting and rendering distance, why didn’t FF7 do that other getting this very poor optimisation? Because it’s a problem from devs themselves not the engine.
@@SSlash And you are talking again as if they need to render everything. Did you not see how actual rendering should work? Don’t render everything, only the things around. You don’t need to see a monster 5km away, that’s just bad design
After playing Rebirth demo I needed to remind myself how Remake looks onf PS5, and it looks...awesome, besides some bad textures here and there it looks great, runs smooth and clean. So if Rebirth is being made on PS5 excluisively, whats going on then? It does look a touch more impressive from the technical side, but the image quality is so much worse...its as if they cant be bothered with optimization at all, just went straight to PS5 with same engine and just started developing as fast as possible without a concern about the performance, and thats what we get a PS4 four year old game looking better than a ps5 exclusive.
It was like you said. Fast development + bigger scope of the game (open environments in comparison to small ones in Remake) and you have the answer why performance mode looks considerably worse than Remake. It's a bit dissapointing but it is what it is, i rather play the game faster than wait another few months until the optimize ione graphic mode for PS5. Those who are bothered can always wait for probable fixes for performance mode, wait for PS5 Pro version or PC one, or just play 30 fps (it looks quite good).
It is 150GB. And its more openworld than remake. Imma have to blame technology on this one. Optimation sucks yes but do you play for performance or story.
@@rafamuniak I'll still never get over how the PC port of remake released with forced dynamic res scaling and no way to disable it without modding. Square does not give a flying fuck about releasing an optimized product.
@@jaydenhixon3713 story is mainly what Im interested in, but this the first game on ps5 which looks so blurry on perfromance that in uncomfortable to watch and 30 fps for an action rpg is no way to go as well :D im actually considering to wait for a patch or ps5pro. Same like you dont want to watch a blockbuster movie on a laptop, same I can wait to experience this masterpiece in the most optimal way
Im sorry but implying in any way that the blurry image in performance mode has been addressed is just plain false. The game has launched and performance mode resolution looks more akin to 720p than upscaled 1080p…its headache-inducingly bad. IF I HAD KNOWN THE FINISHED GAME LOOKED THIS BLURRY I NEVER WOULD HAVE GIVE. SQUARE ENIX MY MONEY. Stay away, at least until the release a major fix for the UNACCEPTABLE visuals. Wtf has happened to AAA gaming man…
I heard maximilian dood saying that they might stick to unreal engine 4 to the 3rd/final game because of the familiarity and making it faster to develop but i think that would be a mistake. Unreal engine 5 has so many tools that would enhanced the visuals and solve the terrain and lighting problems and i dont want to be looking at ps4 generation problems in 2027.
I mean to be fair a few changes to some .ini files would fix the visual problems with performance mode in UE4 -- if those visual problems are in fact due to post-processing -- but Square can't even manage that. So who's to say a move to UE5 would actually solve anything?
Which is smart on their part. Porting is a long and complicated process, especially when you already have a lot of your game built from previous entries. It just doesn't make business sense to risk porting the team to UE5.
its mostly because those tools from UE5 fix things almost automatically, calculating bounce lighting and geometric detail with lumen.@@alexanderkhan9097
Unreal engine 5 and Unreal engine 4 are basically the same, but UE5 has much better performance that Unreal engine 4 with the same graphics, but of course updating code from Unreal engine 4 to unreal engine 5 is very problematic, and can delay development so much, maybe months, I had problems with a project cos code is broken when update to Unreal engine 5
Haven't played the game yet and don't wanna shit on the game but... The shadow and foliage render distance is horrendous... 5:28 That sweet 1m render distance from Cloud. And to get clear texture you have to shove Cloud face into an asset to make it clear. "PS5 has implemented a new PrimitiveShader as its own geometry pipeline, and in combination with the ComputeShader, the rendering pipeline was designed to be able to render a large quantity of assets. This approach also matched well with the SSD, which could load a large number of assets instantly." - Naoki Hamaguchi That explains it, they went for quantity not quality.
Looks like everyone in this comment thread couldn't afford rebirth. U know what they say grapes are sour when u dont get them. So they are blaming the graphics for a way to COPE. The graphics looks absolutely fantastic not even a contest.
I gave up on performance mode. Not only blurry but will depopulate NPCs you miss content. Graphics doesnt hold 30fps i swear on my life. You have go in to ps5 setting and set it to 1080 or 1440 if your tv can and go to performance mode. You will finally get good Graphics and a rock solid 30. Not great but better than the original options.
I really want to play this game but it’s looking rough as hell right now and I doubt they can fix all the graphical issues. Seems I’m gonna have to wait for the PC release to play at 4K120Hz with improved shadows and texture mods.
Rough as hell? Man gamers have become so spoilt these days... Maintaining 4k most of the time at a constant 30fps is not only perfectly fine, but my recommended way of playing this game outside of a couple of response based minigames, which I'll be toggling for.
One thing I love about FFXVI is how consistent the graphics are. There's no low res textures, floating assets or low poly objects. This one looks like a mess. Reminds me of the Remake and the infamous door texture issue.
and it had great motion blur. it was bearable to play it in 30fps mode. ff7rebirth doesn't have a quality motion blur. Played the demo and it feels like a fan project :(
If you don’t consider playing at 720p low res, then I don’t know what is. At least in performance mode FFXVI is one big smearing. FFVII looks a bit better but it’s just that ps5 cannot keep up anymore. I enjoy FFVII, though.
And it came at the cost of a very low resolution and bad performance. So I wouldn't say FFXVI is a high flyer in the graphics department either. I like FF7Remake still the most, good quality graphics combined with good performance.
1:15 hope that poppin is fixed ( look at the red tent to the left of the machine in the middle). I know it may not bother others, but it breaks the immersion when objects just pop in.
@@MrSpOoKs13805 Remake was available on the PS4 but Rebirth is PS5 only. They have no excuse. Spider Man 2 is also a game that is simultaneously bigger and better looking.
I agree that my issue with Quality mode is the lack of motion blur. If they give the option to use it, preferably with a slider for people to choose the level of motion blur they feel more comfortable with, it would great improve the odds of people opting for Quality mode. I also believe this game would benefit from a 40fps mode...
It's funny because people complained about the motion blur on FF16, now people want motion blur in FF7 Rebirth. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I do agree that a camera motion blur would be nice though.
On the latest patch, if you set the PS5 resolution to 1440p, it will eliminate the pixelation in performance mode. It still looks very blurry though (compared to Graphics mode).
This may be because your TV is doing additional upscaling (with a smoother scaler) to reach 4K after the game does nearest-neighbor upscaling to 1440p?
Just in reply to your part about it using PS4 models. It's pretty obvious that at least the main char models are more detailed. Like Barrett IMO is noticeably higher poly etc.
Coming off the back of a Horizon Forbidden West playthrough (Decima engine) I'm a bit disappointed in the inconsistency in the quality of many of the assets in this. I hope the can patch in some higher quality assets later to balance everything out; especially for anything that will be reused in part 3. This game still looks fantastic, and whilst I'm sure it will benefit from ultra fast SSD streaming, I can't help but feel this game still looks a little last gen. The amount of time and resources required to produce a game of this size and scale can't be overstated so it's understandable it won't be flawless, but there are some questionable inconsistences here.
this is looking disappointing, why is a new game on new(current) hardware looking and performing worse than the previous game which runs at the same graphical fidelity?
Played it on a 4K tv and the quality mode was at best good. It wasn’t groundbreaking at all. Performance mode was a disaster though. Ngl. Not looking forward to it for graphical satisfaction
@@jezuschrystus5113 I wouldn't say it looked better. I played when it came out, 4k was not a thing and the standard 1080p was good enough. Now that I've played 4k and 120fps games I wouldn't accept that quality but comparing apples to apples rebirth looks better and it's a very big and dense open world game. If you play it at quality it shows and because of very good frame pacing its not that bad honestly.
@@CJP.-pq3kr looks like you lack basic knowledge about unreal. If they don't use it for developement they woulld not know too. Any other problems random internet dude ?
So basically no real improvement over Intergrade. Not necessarily a bad thing since its still a beautiful game. I personally have the PC version of Intergrade, being able to play the game at native 4k60 with the ability to push graphics further via mods is the way to go. I'll just wait for the PC version of Rebirth that will undoubtedly come out next year. Though I will boot up my PS5 for Stellar Blade, no clue if thats coming to PC anytime soon and I want to support the devs.
Those pixelated close ups of performance mode are really giving 1997 FF7 vibes
So nice to have such a great throwback!
Maybe if we play Rebirth on a crt it would look better
Probably the only thing about the game that will.
"Its an homage I swear"
Yeah it looks just like the FMVs
Did they really pixelate the game to make it sharper instead of slapping some CAS on it and calling it a day? What was the logic in thinking behind that decision?
Could you kindly explain why the first option would be preferred?
It's interesting how final fantasy 7 seems to be the perfect game for a remake. Not only because it's insanely popular and came out at a where 3D graphics were not quite up to snuff yet, but also because it starts off in a city before opening up to the larger world which allows square chance to create the first game and get the engine/ technology ready to do the more expansive parts of the game. It really is turning out to be an amazing project
Except they didn’t get the engine/tech ready. There are still loading elevators and other “environmental loading” segments that make the world feel disjointed. In fact it seems like they didn’t fix any of the technical problems remake had.
@@COOLFRIENDNo
@@COOLFRIEND But they've shipped another part, much bigger game than previous one, in less than 4 years.
@@COOLFRIEND Completely agree, 1st two remakes just feel like lazy cash-ins.
All the real ff7 fans know that the original can never be replaced.
@@hostileenvironment6107If they were just "lazy cashins" they'd just make a 1 to 1 remake with updated visuals and voice acting and be done with it. Say what you will about the direction they're going with the story but you can't deny they at least put a lot of passion into this project
Can't wait for the stutterfest in the PC version.
@@RicochetForcedid it get fixed in the 1st one?
@@FFx16459first one runs good, i just disabled dynamic res so it doesnt look blurry at 4k 120hz LG C2
And what makes you think were getting a pc version at all? The only final fantasy confirmed to be having a pc port in the works is FFXVI.
@zeedude8026 we will, it will def be some time after May.
because it's obvious and Sony is wanting to push more into the PC market@@zeedude8026
Perhaps the best approach to fixing the image quality issue would be to add a new 4k 40fps mode for 120hrz displays.
How does this even work? 40 Hz is just slightly less choppy than 30 Hz, A 60 Hz monitor can do 40 Hz just fine and it'll feel the same as a 120 Hz one.
Unless you're talking about some frame interpolation stuff that some TVs have.
@@ShiroNoFunea 60hz monitor cant do 40 just fine as its not a division of 60, 40 is a division of 120 tho. WIth VRR/ freesync 40 could be done on a 60hz monitor though
Exactement !!! On veut un mode 40 fps pour tous les jeux !!! Sinon pourquoi nous vendre des TV OLED et QD-OLED à 3000€ ???
I love me my 40fps modes🙏
@@ShiroNoFune40fps is exactly half way between 30fps and 60fps.
30fps= 33.3ms
60fps= 16.6ms
40fps= 25ms
it ends up feeling a lot more smooth and responsive and 30fps plus the game has way more miliseconds for making a high quality image.
It's a fantastic compromise between the 2 modes and in practice getting most/all of the benefits of Graphics mode but with better smoothness.
The post patch looks even blurrier than the pre-patch
Are you watching in 4k?
People watching 4k YT videos on 1080p screens happens a lot .
I'm on a 4k oled. it does look noticeably worse in some scenes, especially the foliage shot. Think I'll wait this one out for when it comes to PC in a year...
@@TheWitch297most likely 2-3 years but yeah i'll do the same ... I wanted to play it now but i'll definetly wait for the PC port
The blur seems the same, but there's added pixelation. It's not even nearest neighbor scaling, which normally does make the image look much sharper at the cost of increased pixelation. I don't know what it is we're seeing here. Just Japanese magic.
@@alexanderluna1845 2 maybe. 3? nah. hey are porting games over much faster these days...
Set native to 1080p at system level then run performance mode then it looks sharp for some reason. Then add retrotink 4k and amazing picture.
The hell is retrotink and amazing picture ?
@@thebrigade7684retrotink is prolly just some upscaler type device, and I think saying amazing picture was to note the follow up results of using it, but idk lol
I'm still holding on to a miracle that the performance mode gets fixed (and soon I hope). The blurriness is very distracting and I literally have a hard time making out what's on the screen at times. I've been replaying Remake right now and the performance mode in that game looks noticeably better.
They should normalize what Ratchet & Clank did. Performance mode at 40 FPS. It does work. Unless you're way too picky about it. It does play good and looks good.
And 30fps can look great too if you do a good work. I played Spiderman 2 at 30fps and I actually didn't feel that much of a difference because the feeling and the motion blur were amazing.
Maybe not competitive fighting games and first person shooters, but all other games can be played just fine on 30/40 fps
No, this is not it. The PS5 has hardware to allow 60 FPS on pretty much any game.
What we need is developers doing different stuff other than just "yeah let's just lower the res until we hit 60 FPS".
Lowering details, shadow resolution, maybe disabling Ray Tracing effects entirely. This is the way.
Not to mention 30 FPS at this point in time is basically unplayable for anyone used to playing at 60-120 FPS.
@@ShiroNoFune that's why every performance video needs to display the fps on screen, i'm pretty sure you can't tell the difference between 40 and 60 if it not displayed
@@stijnvonck1431 I can tell the difference between 60 and 100. Of course I can tell the difference between 40 and 60, lol.
It’s a bummer but I remember playing Guardians of the Galaxy in quality mode and it was still great
“We made it look like ass on purpose so we could re release it in 6 months with better visuals”
“Final fantasy 7 rebirth part 2 interlude prefix”
I'm going Quality mode for sure.
I've played the original back in 1997, I don't need 60 fps to appreciate the game that has turned my hobby into passion. ❤
Not bad. But easily beaten by Horizon Forbidden West.
I have a feeling that the PC release will be sloppy job, just like the previous one.
I am referring only to the technical section.
I would like straight comparison video with avatar:fop.
370 hour at 3rd playthrough and still counting. realy great game
Leaning towards going graphics mode unless they can fix perf or add a 40ish fps mode. Also please add motion blur options for the 30 fps.
I thought the PS5's SSD was meant to have resolved the texture streaming issues? It's bizarre how the PS4 textures are back a generation later and looking worse than ever...
Was really hoping the performance mode wouldn't look this bad post patch...not really acceptable considering how powerful the ps5 is
Look at Cyberpunk 2070 and Elden Ring when it first came out.
A 4090 looked bad .
@DigitalFoundry Can you cover how the game handles 1080p? I'm curious if it's possible to play 60fps at native 1080p under any circumstances or if the performance mode will only run at 60fps with lower resolutions that upscale to 1080p or if the quality mode will only run at 30fps and hit a native 1080p. Mostly asking for Streamers as so few bother playing above 1080p and it seems like running at such low resolutions there should enjoy a decent compromise where you see 60fps with no further downsides aside from the resolution.
The game doesn’t care about your screen resolution. It will just use the designed resolution on each mode (performance/quality) regardless of your image output… that’s something that it is completely out of our control on consoles. In other words, no performance gain if your screen has lower resolutions.
what yuriloki said
The game will render internally at a predesignated resolution and then scale the image to your output resolution (what you set your TV to); so that means literally 0 performance impact by changing the output resolution.
Final fantasy XVI looks a lot better in terms of detail, shadows etc, however FF XVI also runs at 30FPS around 1080p so it evens out as FF VII Rebirth runs at 4K at 30FPS. I was expecting much much more from both of them though.
what are you yapping about, 16 runs 4k 30 fps. 1080 upscale 60 fps.
@@samogonbrother
You should watch digital foundrys vid lol. It'll drop as low as 720p just to hold 60.
And drops as low as 1080p to hold 30....
That's pathetic
@@samogonbrother
Watch digital foundrys vid on it
Actually it's even worse. Just re watched the video.
It's "performance mode" averages close to 720p. And still drops to the 30s.
It's "quality mode" maxes out st 1440p. But often hangs at 1080p. Then used fsr 1 for upscaling. Which makes it looks worse
@@nighttimestalker bruh thats sad , why they didnt use fsr 2
@@samogonbrother idek.
Fsr1 is known to be really bad. So it is dumb they opted for it. Especially with how low that game resolution can go.
One thing that should also be called out is the UI scaling. It seems it's just using nearest neighbor from 1080p no matter what mode you are using. Looks pixelated at 4K. A really baffling oversight in my opinion.
Man, I just want my games to look sharp... I prefer to play something like Persona 3 Reload for that reason alone.
Despite the choice being between Switch mode blurfest or choppy 30fps, this sits at metacritic 93 with glowing reviews everywhere and the game director celebrating on Twitter like it's mission accomplished.
This is why they don't bother putting the optimisation in. Games media and a vocal minority online will always sandbag and gaslight for them.
This is why you dont stray from beautifully crafted set pieces like in FF7 intergrade to an "open world" game that is really just a bunch of grass & rocks in a huge landcape with the occasional handcrafted area to explore.
You end up with a PS5 exclusive that has worse looking textures & lightning than its previous predecessor that released on PS4 during 2020.. 🤦
Square developers seem to be technically inept with a slew of disappointingly poor releases. It feels like they never made it out of the PS3 era. Maybe it's time for some new talent.
Hopefully the statement Sony made about wanting to release more titles and exclusives simultaneously on PC at launch holds true and comes sooner rather than later. Having to choose between fairly good visuals and choppy gameplay or inconsistently ok/bad visuals with still not even consistent framerate even only at 60 fps is a pretty poor set of options. Having to wait years for it to come to pc so we can actually play it with an enjoyable framerate and great visuals is genuinely sad.
This game begs for a PC port. The failure of this generation is that it targets 30 FPS instead of 60 FPS 1440p.
Which it will get. Exactly when we don't know except "sometime after 05-29-2024" since "Not avaliable on other formats until at least 05-29-2024" appears at the end of each trailer (the ones uploaded to the official Playstation YT channel). Don't see why they would bother putting that unless a PC port was already planned from the start. Which I'm sure it was. Wouldn't make much sense to bring Remake to PC and none of the other parts.
2:02 isn't that the same low LOD stuff caused by memory limits in UE4 that affected FF7 remake, you mean they still haven't fixed it.
The graphics mode is running at 30fps but the in game animation is not. All character animation is updating at under 30fps, roughly around 1x - 2x fps only. That's why it looks so lagging when playing in graphic mode compare to Remake. All real time cut scene is fine, only in game animation is problematic. I believe this is owing to the new "terrain action" where developer updated the animation system in rebirth which make animation not updating in time. Hope digital foundry can look into it.
I’m calling it now. Part three will be called RESOLVE
It's too obvious that it's going to be REUNION
Glad this isn’t a multiplatform title. That way nobody blames the series S. Even though some fanboys might still 😂
Somehow it's still the Series S's fault 🙃
It'd be better if it was a multiplatform game. Then they'd have to actually do some optimizing
It's tough. Graphics mode looks so much better but I don't want to play this game in 30fps.
Didn’t you play Remake at 30 at first?
If they would add in some better motion blur to graphics mode, I’d have no problem with it. Graphics mode right now though is pretty choppy
On my oled tv with vrr 30fps are smooth asf
FF16's challenges felt impossible in 30FPS. I switched to 60FPS and I completed them instantly with ease.
I'll wait for a PC release for this one personally!
If they would just add a uncapped or 40fps mode it would make things better. If I remember right FFXVI had an uncapped framerate option
Ngl the performance shot at 7:47 really looks like a pre-rendered background of the original haha
😂 true
It does
I'm gonna play this one on 30fps,i played the demo on the graphics mode and i was able to use parry and It was good optimization,in this game i think i can play in 30fps,because It is not like ff16,that game was more faster combat,this game is more tatic combat you have to use the comands and materia not just press Square,performance mod look blurry and bad in this game.
@@LucasCamargo827I prefer 30fps over 60fps where the graphics lose all depth, generally speaking
haha that's too true
I hope they work on the performance mode more.
Hopes as well😢
keep hoping, I'll be playing in native 4k
@@Aid3nn33 oh lord , you are so much better than everyone here in the comments. Praise you and your native 4k, we shall all kneel befor you, because you are the chosen one
@@Aid3nn33Looking at your other comments, why are you reminding everyone of your greatness? King, we have not forgotten your superiority. Shine your 4k native from the heavens in Aiden we praise, amen 🙏🏻
@@Aid3nn33on ps5👀😂
Post-patch performance mode looks worse than pre-patch 😢
The release version with day one patch seems very very very slightly more clean. But in game Cloud model is still not on the lvl like in Remake in terms of looking res and detail. We have a different gen and PS5 is so much better than a PS4 Pro is. It should have at least have image quality like the remake in performance even though it's larger scale.
I hope this is another case of horizon forbidden west performance mode quirks. I recall at launch, performance mode was quite blurry with lots of shimmering and a weird discolouration effect when panning the camera. But now it's patched and looks surprisingly comparable to quality mode, just slightly softer. Perhaps the devs could pull it off?
It's Square Enix they pretty much never fix visual issues, forspoken was an outlier.
@@MetsukiR True but Square Enix doesn't have anything bigger than FF7. FF7 is their biggest franchise by far, it's their golden goose. They'll work to fix it..
But this is a UE4 game. And again, it's Square Enix. I don't think it's a good idea to buy at full price if you expect patches like this; they might never happen. FF16 performance mode (different engine) is still awful.
PlayStation studios are awesome Japanese studios particularly SE would never offer fully polished visual modes especially performance. Did you see how bad the performance mode was in FFXVI?
Nope square won’t be bothered
Hoe does an old game like Assassin's Creed Odyssey blow this away in visual fidelity at 60fps on console 🤷♂️🤣
In the demo, Chadley's training is the 1st time I experienced prolonged loading in an exclusive PS5 game. It was very odd since in ff7remake, for the PS5, it was instant.
This. Loading times in the game are pretty bad, especially compared to FF7 Remake on the PS5.
Because FF7 remake for PS5 is still a PS4 game at heart, and the PS5 just blows through that game.
With rebirth, its nowhere near the same thing.
@@Bahamut998 FF16 and Forspoken (I got it for $10🤷♂️) both load much faster. Every other PS5 exclusive I have loads much faster. Even the majority of 3rd party games load much faster.
And it's weird. It's at a point that doesn't require much loading. It takes about 30 seconds to load between rounds in Chadley's battle simulator. It shouldn't because the only assets being swapped are the enemies. Loading from the title screen to the open world of Junon takes 10 seconds, so it makes no sense why swapping enemies would take 30 seconds. It just seems like poor optimization like the door that never loads in ff7remake for the PS4
FF16 for all its faults is a masterpiece of engineering, they made their ambitions not too large and delivered on a well designed game. That's what CBU3 does. FF7 Rebirth is way bigger in scope and pushes things to the limit with many more problems;@oKingdom
@@Bahamut998 did you not read the 2nd part of my comment??? It takes 10 seconds to load from the title screen to Junon but takes 30 seconds to load between rounds in Chadley's battle simulator. Not going to Chadley, not loading up the first battle but only between rounds. Everything else is 10 seconds or less. Fast travel between Junon less than 5 seconds. Opening menus 1 second. Etc. It's an optimization issue.
Like Oliver mentioned in this tech review, FF7REBIRTH is an Unreal Engine 4 game like Remake was. The thing about Unreal Engine games is that they've been known to have poor asset streaming unless the games are optimized. It's why Cloud's door never loaded up the high quality texture in the PS4 version of FF7REMAKE. Or why in so many games during the PS360 era during cutscenes high quality textures would load during the middle of cutscenes.
FF16 pushed the PS5 harder than ff7rebirth. It doesn't have RT features like FF16 or Forspoken, which have RT shadows, which pushes the PS5 more since RDNA 2 has weak ray tracing. It's also why FF7Rebirth can have a stable 60fps in performance mode, while in FF16's performance mode fluctuates between 45 and 60fps.
I hope to god part 3 uses UE5 or some alternative to UE4
I bet they will use that to force people to get a ps5 pro
Would be nice. I noticed the same old texture pop-in and other weird texture glitching that was in FF7 Remake as well.
@@sean8102 It's baffling because the pop in and low res texture glitches were gone and fixed in the PS5 version of remake. Maybe it's got something to do with the open world this time?
So... we're back to the 30FPS console era? Perhaps we never actually left it.
DF called it a few years ago, next gen exclusives are going to start being 30 FPS a lot more. Kinda funny when people think GTA 6 is gonna be 60FPS
I don't think we'll ever leave it given how it's easier for developers to target 30FPS while pushing visual boundaries (which also makes for good marketing material).
@@KingRahG half of next gen games will be 30fps only most ue5 games gta vi dd2 but ps5 exclusives will have 60fps options
@@KingRahG Well... give it time on PC & someone will assuredly reverse engineer something so that PC users can get the most out of our hard-ware.
We'll be alroight.
@@xtr.7662 spot on
this is the weakest showcase of PS5 l've ever seen, you are _not_ making me see those textures in 2024
The one thing I still can't get over is Red riding a chocobo. 🤣🤣
Have you seen him slide down a ladder ROFL
I love it. They couldn't think of a way to have him ride one without it looking goofy so they just embraced it. Same with his animation for climbing ladders lol. Saw someone that doesn't care for it (fair enough) saying they would have preferred if Red ran along side the party instead. But then someone pointed out that obviously wouldn't work for the flying/gliding Chocobos.
The PS5 is absolutely capable of more than this. Other games have done it. You'd think they'd want to fully utilize what the PS5 can do.
Graphics mode looks so good, but 30fps just doesnt feel right in combat. It would be cool to have like a quick toggle between modes. I wouldn't mind being in graphics mode for exploration and using performance strictly for combat.
I don't understand why DF's "Graphics' mode looks so much smoother and better than mine. Whenever I literally pan the camera or do much of anything the game legit looks like its barely hold 20-25 frames. I figured it was because im playing on a Samsung Odyssey, but even switching to a TV the issue is pretty much the same. It also makes the ghosting super noticeable in certain areas.
Square Enix just needs to use FSR 2.1 to upscale performance mode, getting a cleaner and much sharper image overall. They used FSR 1 in FF16 and that was the worst choice.
Even FSR1 would be way more preferable than the nearest neighbor upscaling they're using now....
Gotta love how non-developers think they know the simple solution, just by watching some analysis breakdown videos 🤣
@@dennissepulveda6118 These upscaling methods come with UE4 as plugins (it's as easy as turning on a switch) and Square made the performance mode worse by switching from a bilinear upscale to nearest neighbor upscale.
Oh god FSR 1 is horrible.
@@sd19delta16 Oh god, FSR 1 is so awful. But I figured they were using at least FSR 2 for rebirth. But they aren't using it at all?! That's so weird.
beyond disappointed with performance mode's graphics. Remake's performance mode was a beautiful 1440p. I know Rebirth is much larger in scale but with it being the same engine now truly native PS5, it should look AS good if not better I would have thought.
yeah... you would really think, but idk whatever build or crazy cracked up version of UE4 they're using/made at this point but hopefully no future projects will be made on it, not unless they do some wild improvements to it, which aside from being able to actually handle massive areas and amount of people on screen at one time, it doesnt seem to have been improved in other ways to handle its textures and resolution stuff any better than before
yeah, going back to Remakes performance mode it was a night and day difference.
Feels really bad getting this image quality reduction in a sequel
Bigger scale does kill performance more than you'd think. This case seems similar to Plague Tale Innocence and Requiem.
@@speedforce8970 there are way bigger open world games with better graphics and resolution so its just technical incompetence by square enix
Some textures look straight from the 3dfx era :D
Its a PS4 game, unreal was terrible choice, all games performs awfull, that garbabe tech needs to dui
unreal 4, nanite and tssr would solve all the games issues instantly@@noobdebusca1757
Dude, can you imagine 3dfx seeing Nvidia’s 2 trillion valuation? They were the bomb back then with their SLI solutions.
Intel and AMD must be wondering how they ended up small potatoes now.
Yeah I noticed that in both demos. Some of the same low res texture popping like remake. Good old UE4.
I'll make the painful wait for PC.
UE5 would have been perfect for this game. Hopefully we will see the upgrade with the last of the trilogy.
No honestly because unreal engine 5 is just as bad if not worse for these consoles.
Guys Batman Arkham Knight was built on UE4 and it ran better than this on consoles…
@@tdspkhype3042nope, Arkham Knight was built with a customized version of UE3 by the developers
Square is already bad at handling UE4 which is a last gen engine, with UE5 they would probably enable Nanite/Lumen and the game would run at 540~720p instead.
@@marcelosoares7148 No, a simple search would prove what you said wrong. But it was UE3 so I was wrong there. Not customised though
These games are a labour of love. The lighting, animations, everything was better in remake because they had time to do tweak everything. Screenshots from combat look better in Remake.
Rebirth is just so huge you can't expect the same level of detail without waiting twice as long for it. I can appreciate where the developers priorities were set. We almost never get games of this calibre anymore.
OMG, it exhibits the same issues as FFVII Part 1 Remake, but far worst!!! Rebirth looks worst than FFVII Part 1!!!
This is awful. Both modes. I literally just bought a PS5 to pkay this. Looks like I'm selling it.
This will be the last patch. Square Enix are notorious for not fixing anything.
Can't wait for the PC release. Maybe we'll get improved shadow coverage and texture res.
I can't believe characters' feet still don't look like they're walking/ running on ground and instead the model is just floating up and down during running animations on uneven ground.
@@danielbaggins7341yeah I love when games actually have them walk down each stair instead of just gliding over everything with a generic run animation
@arano1118Yeah. Like Rockstars games RAGE engine has for example. I believe the feature is called inverse kinematics
@@sean8102 yup I was thinking about red dead 2 actually. Their physics are so engaging
Yeah that has more do with the physics engine that the developer uses. Sometimes they don’t have their own advanced engine or they use a last-gen one
Definitely waiting for PC after seeing this.
enjoy getting another horrendous pc port then because remakes pc port was terrible and barebones
@@coreypasternak9435its pretty fine actually, much better than playing on ps5
@@ThisisCitrus i have a good PC and FF7 Remake is full of stutters.
On the other hand, I played it smooth on PS5, very high resolution and at 60fps
yeah i had no issues once turning off dynamic res @@ThisisCitrus
@@payphone151 no stutters on my old 3090 or new 4090. Sounds like a system issue.
I'm always so irritated when df talks about resolution and finds super random numbers, like performance mode here hovering around 1152p. what? how? what's going on? is that just a function of aiming for the 60fps mark and how many pixels can be displayed to make that happen? to land on such random resolutions that don't neatly fit or scale into 2160p, 1440p, 1080p, 720p (all the big numbers I know) breaks my brain. how doesn't everything wobble around and tear the visuals apart with such random dynamic resolutions?
Saying the visual quality is somewhat sometimes questionable is way too kind, the game downright looks last gen in lot of the places.
I know graphics is not the most important thing. but all reviewers giving 9s and 10s across the board and not even mentioning the fidelity issues is puzzling.
They did the same last year with Tears of the Kingdom
Because gameplay is king. Also tokt came out on 10yo hardware. No one should be surprised that it wouldn't be able to run at 60 lol.@@stijnvonck1431
because they know if they do talk about it the review the review would be out of date in the future so they focus on the stuff that will stay the same
Agreed
It's true that graphics aren't the most important thing, but these graphics aren't even that bad. DF has to pick on the the most minute details because that's their thing, and the game isn't even out yet, so we don't know what the graphics will be like post patch.
Hopefully they'll further address performance mode by the time of the full release.
They won't. Too big game and too little time. More bigger fixes will take time, as performance would need to be tested across the whole expansive game. I'm curious if demo fix will be even applied to full game at release.
FF16 still looks like shyt.
@@mosthated8848 FF16 has nothing to do with FF7R bro. xD
🤣
@@mosthated8848oh yes, let's throw in a game with a completely different graphics engine lmao
4:46 Look at the red flowers on the right.
Unreal Engine is so dog shit
But are those issues cause of the engine or the Devs choices tho ?
@@aprincegamer7257Devs because this is called coping since Batman Arkham Knight is literally built on this…
It can be. But it's a tool. I guarantee at least one game you love is running on UE with how extremely popular it is. The textures have been a issue though since UE3. But again some games are worse than others when it comes to that.
Man, if this was on Xbox we'd have Playstation fanboys nitpick every bad graphical aspect of this game. lmao.
I think, Decima would be the besser choice for open world. Forbidden West is just still the graphics-benchmark for console imo.
Sure, but it wouldn't have been practical to upskill all the devs to work with another engine and get it out on time. Plus, Square Enix clearly has some sort of arrangement with Epic so that's out.
@@agromchung I see - anyway i preordered the game and for shure will enjoy it on PS5. For me, the demo (pre patch) was graphicswise a litte bummer, but fighting, the music and so on is still amazing and gives me a immersive feeling for the world.
The reason why devs go with a specific engine has mostly to do with cost and the time it takes for their engineers to get familiar with the development environment. This is why unreal engine is so popular is because it’s easy to hire people that already are familiar with the development environment.
Well the next game we will see that uses the Decima engine is either Death Stranding 2 or Horizon 3.
Changing toi a comple unrelated Engine would take way more time and we wouild look at a 2026 release for Rebirth at the earliest. They didn't even Switch to UE5 since it itself was still to early in it's lifetime when the work for Rebirth began. Part 3 whatever name it will have will certainly be a UE5 game but that is a late 2027 or rather 2028 game anyway.
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I need Alex to tell me to feel bad for liking Tifa's character design. Just kidding 😁 Good job Oliver!
LOL
Horizon Forbidden West on PS4 looks much better than this game on PS5. What a shame.
But is it a better game? Not for me, still love it. Horizon might be the front runner for most beautiful game
but it should be both...
@@joefawley9264How do you know? You've never played Rebirth. You just played a demo.
I think the point is that most upcoming games are not using the full potential of PS5 and Series X. If a cross gen like Forbidden West can look better than a game released in 2024, something is not right. @@joefawley9264
@@antonytomas1 there's no way Forbidden West is gonna be better than Rebirth. Forbidden West is just a expensive ubisoft game full of map markers and fetch quests
dude how is THIS STILL a problem with next gen graphics lmao
the game itself looks fine but holy fucking shit, its been 4 years and square is still having the SAME PROBLEM as remake.
I wouldnt be surprised if this game was developed on ps4, idek how its possible, it looks (graphically) worse than remake does? Like HOW?!
Visually speaking, the game doesn’t look much different from the FF7 Remake, and the PS5 performance mode for that usually runs above 1440p and looks pretty good. So I’m not sure why they decided to change their post processing techniques for this game
Rebirth is 100x bigger or more lol, its much harder to stay at a higher resolution in a very high density open world vs the the hallways of Midgar.
Bigger open world vs self contained world in midgar.
Really looking forward to playing the upgraded 4k 60 fps version on the PS6
UE 4.27 released in August 2021, almost 3 years ago. The engine has TAAU and TSR. devs can use FSR 2.1 or FSR 2.2.
Do the devs use ANY of these FOUR options? No, they use TAA + bilinear scaling.
Why are they so dumb. Why.
I thought TSR was added to UE5. On Epics documentation it says that TSR works by: "It does this by rendering lower internal resolution than what Temporal Anti-Aliasing Upsampling (TAAU) in Unreal Engine 4 could do". I thought that implied that TAAU was a feature of UE4 and TSR a feature of UE5. Could they have backported that feature into UE4? Genuinely asking.
Japanese devs are usually behind in this regard
The Japanese are very foolish, it costs them a lot...so much to change their way of working, there you have Fromsoftware using the same archaic Engine for decades, the Tales Of series took years to change to EU and they finally did it with Tales of Arise, their "traditional" nature limits them.
Actually now they're doing TAA + nearest neighbor scaling which is worse than bilinear scaling. They made the performance mode look worse, I honestly couldn't believe it when I loaded up the new patch.
FSR 1 at this point would be a massive improvement to the performance mode's visual clarity (though I'm holding out hope for FSR 2 / TSR / TAAU).
@@sd19delta16 Good lord. I thought they were using FSR 1 because of how blurry it is. But nearest neighbor and BILINEAR SCALLING wow!
Can't wait for the pc release!
Same here. Was so happy the first time I saw that "not available on other formats until at least 05-29-2024" at the end of one of the trailers.
Yeah epic games store, with another busted port, here we go again!
If Insomniac can do great looking 60fps in Spiderman 2 and Ratchet and Clank, there's no excuse for this poor exclusive. A shame for PS5 :/
That engine been designed for PlayStation for decades. Back in Spyro days. 60fps been a thing since ps2 days. Same with naughty dog engine. It’s really a design of that engine. Unreal engine is really an unstable engine it’s really meant for linear games like gears of war or semi open world like gears 5. I’ve noticed a lot of unreal engine games run like crap. Like ark, Jedi survivor,pal world,hogwarts legacy. They all have issues running specifically in proformance mode.
@@RED-bz9hnYou are talking as if their engine in this game isn’t good, you literally have batman arkham knight running on it and runs and looks better than this
@@tdspkhype3042arkham knight did not even get a next gen update, its still 30fps, and even if some weird built in upscaling on the console's behalf is making it look nicer, its still 1080, if you're gonna bring pc into this then yeah a solid pc is gonna make arkham knight, a 2015 game look insanely good, and the entire game takes place at night where the lighting is very controlled, the rendering distance is very controlled, and buildings obscure everything behind them to save on having shit tons of geometry loaded in at all times, comparing that to an open world game thats gonna have 7 playable characters and 2 in reserve, shit tons of distinct environments, modes of transportation, time of day, and just massive areas to roam around in, varied enemies, yada yada yada it just dont make sense really lol
@@SSlash You are acting as if they didn’t have the ability to optimise it. Finally, dark? Dude did you play Arkham Knight? It’s very much lighted with many lights from multiple neon buildings, something even FF7 doesn’t have. And the rendering distance is actually amazing from the tallest building, you can see what’s happening down, again something FF7 doesn’t have which is verticality. This excuse is really bad since Batman Arkham Knight was a PS4 game, where if it gets an update, it runs 60 fps easily. Plus play it upscaled in xbox or pc, it’s resolution becomes almost 4k, while having constant 60 fps even more if you want to. You saying they controlled lighting and rendering distance, why didn’t FF7 do that other getting this very poor optimisation? Because it’s a problem from devs themselves not the engine.
@@SSlash And you are talking again as if they need to render everything. Did you not see how actual rendering should work? Don’t render everything, only the things around. You don’t need to see a monster 5km away, that’s just bad design
After playing Rebirth demo I needed to remind myself how Remake looks onf PS5, and it looks...awesome, besides some bad textures here and there it looks great, runs smooth and clean. So if Rebirth is being made on PS5 excluisively, whats going on then? It does look a touch more impressive from the technical side, but the image quality is so much worse...its as if they cant be bothered with optimization at all, just went straight to PS5 with same engine and just started developing as fast as possible without a concern about the performance, and thats what we get a PS4 four year old game looking better than a ps5 exclusive.
It was like you said. Fast development + bigger scope of the game (open environments in comparison to small ones in Remake) and you have the answer why performance mode looks considerably worse than Remake. It's a bit dissapointing but it is what it is, i rather play the game faster than wait another few months until the optimize ione graphic mode for PS5. Those who are bothered can always wait for probable fixes for performance mode, wait for PS5 Pro version or PC one, or just play 30 fps (it looks quite good).
It is 150GB. And its more openworld than remake.
Imma have to blame technology on this one. Optimation sucks yes but do you play for performance or story.
It's the same reason why FFX looks better than ff12. 12 is a much bigger world while 10 is mostly linear
@@rafamuniak I'll still never get over how the PC port of remake released with forced dynamic res scaling and no way to disable it without modding. Square does not give a flying fuck about releasing an optimized product.
@@jaydenhixon3713 story is mainly what Im interested in, but this the first game on ps5 which looks so blurry on perfromance that in uncomfortable to watch and 30 fps for an action rpg is no way to go as well :D im actually considering to wait for a patch or ps5pro.
Same like you dont want to watch a blockbuster movie on a laptop, same I can wait to experience this masterpiece in the most optimal way
Quality on PS5, replay on PC later
I can get behind that lol.
Im sorry but implying in any way that the blurry image in performance mode has been addressed is just plain false. The game has launched and performance mode resolution looks more akin to 720p than upscaled 1080p…its headache-inducingly bad.
IF I HAD KNOWN THE FINISHED GAME LOOKED THIS BLURRY I NEVER WOULD HAVE GIVE. SQUARE ENIX MY MONEY. Stay away, at least until the release a major fix for the UNACCEPTABLE visuals. Wtf has happened to AAA gaming man…
I heard maximilian dood saying that they might stick to unreal engine 4 to the 3rd/final game because of the familiarity and making it faster to develop but i think that would be a mistake. Unreal engine 5 has so many tools that would enhanced the visuals and solve the terrain and lighting problems and i dont want to be looking at ps4 generation problems in 2027.
@@ShyChapter i know, i didnt mean two different games, i meant 3rd/final game, im gonna correct it.
I mean to be fair a few changes to some .ini files would fix the visual problems with performance mode in UE4 -- if those visual problems are in fact due to post-processing -- but Square can't even manage that. So who's to say a move to UE5 would actually solve anything?
Which is smart on their part. Porting is a long and complicated process, especially when you already have a lot of your game built from previous entries.
It just doesn't make business sense to risk porting the team to UE5.
its mostly because those tools from UE5 fix things almost automatically, calculating bounce lighting and geometric detail with lumen.@@alexanderkhan9097
Unreal engine 5 and Unreal engine 4 are basically the same, but UE5 has much better performance that Unreal engine 4 with the same graphics, but of course updating code from Unreal engine 4 to unreal engine 5 is very problematic, and can delay development so much, maybe months, I had problems with a project cos code is broken when update to Unreal engine 5
Haven't played the game yet and don't wanna shit on the game but... The shadow and foliage render distance is horrendous... 5:28 That sweet 1m render distance from Cloud. And to get clear texture you have to shove Cloud face into an asset to make it clear.
"PS5 has implemented a new PrimitiveShader as its own geometry pipeline, and in combination with the ComputeShader, the rendering pipeline was designed to be able to render a large quantity of assets. This approach also matched well with the SSD, which could load a large number of assets instantly." - Naoki Hamaguchi
That explains it, they went for quantity not quality.
thats the consoles issue not squares
What else u expect from console gaming?😅
this is definitely the most PS4 looking game released yet on PS5
How does FF16 look better than this 🤯🤯🤯
The water looks like it's from Ps3 tho. Worse than AC3's
@@Aetumn12Yeah, and that game doesn't look that great either
Looks like everyone in this comment thread couldn't afford rebirth. U know what they say grapes are sour when u dont get them. So they are blaming the graphics for a way to COPE. The graphics looks absolutely fantastic not even a contest.
@@Aetumn12they used a bespoke engine for 16. 7 uses unreal so probably less room to optimize since it's not their tech
I gave up on performance mode. Not only blurry but will depopulate NPCs you miss content. Graphics doesnt hold 30fps i swear on my life. You have go in to ps5 setting and set it to 1080 or 1440 if your tv can and go to performance mode. You will finally get good Graphics and a rock solid 30. Not great but better than the original options.
that performance mode just looks so inexcusably bad, I gotta be honest about it, neither of the modes are satisfying
ue4 in 2024 man, fuck
I really want to play this game but it’s looking rough as hell right now and I doubt they can fix all the graphical issues.
Seems I’m gonna have to wait for the PC release to play at 4K120Hz with improved shadows and texture mods.
PC port from 2021 was awful and it had forced dynamic resolution. 4K 120 fps? You better have 4090
Guess you’ve never heard of UE4 stutter
It will be a stutterfest on PC
@@Radek494of course. Every PC player uses a 4090.
Rough as hell? Man gamers have become so spoilt these days...
Maintaining 4k most of the time at a constant 30fps is not only perfectly fine, but my recommended way of playing this game outside of a couple of response based minigames, which I'll be toggling for.
Played through remake on ps4 and pc and the pc version ran and looked 10x better.
One thing I love about FFXVI is how consistent the graphics are. There's no low res textures, floating assets or low poly objects. This one looks like a mess. Reminds me of the Remake and the infamous door texture issue.
and it had great motion blur. it was bearable to play it in 30fps mode.
ff7rebirth doesn't have a quality motion blur. Played the demo and it feels like a fan project :(
Seems like most of the issues just come from the game being open world now. Not too much of an issue based on all these reviews tho
If you don’t consider playing at 720p low res, then I don’t know what is. At least in performance mode FFXVI is one big smearing. FFVII looks a bit better but it’s just that ps5 cannot keep up anymore. I enjoy FFVII, though.
And it came at the cost of a very low resolution and bad performance. So I wouldn't say FFXVI is a high flyer in the graphics department either. I like FF7Remake still the most, good quality graphics combined with good performance.
Yes but XVI is a minigame compared to Rebirth
1:15 hope that poppin is fixed ( look at the red tent to the left of the machine in the middle). I know it may not bother others, but it breaks the immersion when objects just pop in.
Looks terrible.....ps5 be running stuff like forbidden west so theres no excuses.
I'm playing Remake on PS5 right now in quality mode and it looks overall better than Rebirth. Especially the lighting.
Nice way to COPE because u dont have rebirth🤷♂️
It’s so sad how games are evolving backwards nowadays
@@TyrannicToe56I mean rebirth is a way bigger game . Remake was more linear and closed off
That's Unreal Engine.
@@MrSpOoKs13805 Remake was available on the PS4 but Rebirth is PS5 only. They have no excuse. Spider Man 2 is also a game that is simultaneously bigger and better looking.
I agree that my issue with Quality mode is the lack of motion blur. If they give the option to use it, preferably with a slider for people to choose the level of motion blur they feel more comfortable with, it would great improve the odds of people opting for Quality mode.
I also believe this game would benefit from a 40fps mode...
It's funny because people complained about the motion blur on FF16, now people want motion blur in FF7 Rebirth. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I do agree that a camera motion blur would be nice though.
@@apoclypse Just giving everyone a simple toggle should be easy no?
On the latest patch, if you set the PS5 resolution to 1440p, it will eliminate the pixelation in performance mode.
It still looks very blurry though (compared to Graphics mode).
This may be because your TV is doing additional upscaling (with a smoother scaler) to reach 4K after the game does nearest-neighbor upscaling to 1440p?
I'll have to try this. But doesn't the PS5 1440p mode disable VRR?
@@nlikeflynn8837 VRR still works but no point. I just tried it and is still blurry lol.
@@nlikeflynn8837 1440p VRR works on PS5
The graphics in general are not impressive at all, even though it's a PS5 exclusive. Yet it's using PS4 models and polygon count for the environment.
Just in reply to your part about it using PS4 models. It's pretty obvious that at least the main char models are more detailed. Like Barrett IMO is noticeably higher poly etc.
Coming off the back of a Horizon Forbidden West playthrough (Decima engine) I'm a bit disappointed in the inconsistency in the quality of many of the assets in this. I hope the can patch in some higher quality assets later to balance everything out; especially for anything that will be reused in part 3. This game still looks fantastic, and whilst I'm sure it will benefit from ultra fast SSD streaming, I can't help but feel this game still looks a little last gen. The amount of time and resources required to produce a game of this size and scale can't be overstated so it's understandable it won't be flawless, but there are some questionable inconsistences here.
this is looking disappointing, why is a new game on new(current) hardware looking and performing worse than the previous game which runs at the same graphical fidelity?
I hope they release it faster on pc
Nope... SE will release on pc when the ps5 version is done meaning patches and dlc so pc will get the complete edition. Same with FF16.
And don't know if you still alive or not in a year for wait this come to pc🤣
then complain when its not optimised
@@raffimohd6387 it’s coming out in two months on PC
Played it on a 4K tv and the quality mode was at best good. It wasn’t groundbreaking at all. Performance mode was a disaster though. Ngl. Not looking forward to it for graphical satisfaction
Set PS5 output to 1080p to correct the bad upscale post-processing blurriness! (Performance mode).
I wish I saw this a month ago instead of almost quitting the game 😢
For me graphics has uneven pacing;
At this stage, I’m more surprised by the base PS4 which runs FF7 Remake quite smoothly with impressive visuals. How was that possible?
The FF7 demake looked fucking terrible for a 2020's AAA game.
How? Easy, it's a PS4 game..whats there to wonder?
it was 1080p at 30fps man
and it looked better than rebirth in performance mode on a ps5 which is what, 6 times the gpu compute capabilites?@@Pit_1209
@@jezuschrystus5113 I wouldn't say it looked better. I played when it came out, 4k was not a thing and the standard 1080p was good enough. Now that I've played 4k and 120fps games I wouldn't accept that quality but comparing apples to apples rebirth looks better and it's a very big and dense open world game.
If you play it at quality it shows and because of very good frame pacing its not that bad honestly.
those low quality assets are unreal streaming problem. when memory limit is exceeded it just loads lowest lod/res texture
Looks like you know more than them. They should hire you
@@CJP.-pq3kr looks like you lack basic knowledge about unreal. If they don't use it for developement they woulld not know too. Any other problems random internet dude ?
@@gst9325 - I was complimenting you and this is your response? See a therapist. You have issues. Mental issues.
Most of these problems could have been avoided by porting this game to UE5 to take advantage of nanite and lumen technology
That would have destroyed performance though
UE5 games on console have so far performed like shit, other than Tekken 8
I’ll just pretend this whole generation didn’t happen and play in 30fps mode.
This entire generation is a joke to be honest.
So basically no real improvement over Intergrade. Not necessarily a bad thing since its still a beautiful game. I personally have the PC version of Intergrade, being able to play the game at native 4k60 with the ability to push graphics further via mods is the way to go. I'll just wait for the PC version of Rebirth that will undoubtedly come out next year. Though I will boot up my PS5 for Stellar Blade, no clue if thats coming to PC anytime soon and I want to support the devs.
I love Final Fantasy ❤