Final Fantasy 7 Remake - Digital Foundry Tech Review - Beautiful, But Not Flawless
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2020
- Join Alex Battaglia and John Linneman for a detailed breakdown of the Final Fantasy 7 Remake. We check out PS4 Pro and PS4 visual comparisons and performance and appreciate the often stunning use of Unreal Engine 4. It's a beautiful game but it's not flawless. What's up with the texture popping and can an SSD brute force your way through the issues?
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They are so poor in the slum that they don`t even have money for textures
Damn it, I laughed.
LOL
LMAOOOOOO
Could well be
@@petrofsko Cloud well be, you mean
No joke, the door lead me to this video. Yes, THAT door.
Siddhant Banerjee it gets worse lol
Imagine waiting one week for people to Upload a discussion video about that texture issues...
My God that door was engineered on a Nintendo 64.
Makes me think the game was rushed
I hadn't noticed until I saw this video.
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still looks like shit on console. ill wait for pc release.
Its not a remake. its a Spinoff or a Sequel. They lied for years that they would not do major changes to the story. The dishonesty of you calling it a remake and a re imagining in one sentence was disgusting. The story matters to a game like FF7 and to call this FF7 is an insult to that game.
@@KingBowser420 Yeah only the character models and bosses look good. And that demo they put out which was done to trick people into thinking this was a REMAKE instead of Nomura fan fic
why isnt this on the patreon site!?
Brad DL It is a remake. They’ve just changed the gameplay and they’re adding new areas and new elements. It’s an episodic remake. It’s not a sequel, and it’s not a spinoff.
The frame at 12:46 looks like someone modded Cloud into Fallout 3!
I really am happy about how they use motion blur here, exactly how I prefer it.
When a game runs at 30 fps only, it helps to mask the strobing effect.
@@spyro440 180 Degree Shutter Rule. The motion blur that helps everything look cinematic and realistic.
blur everything then... shitty grahpic as well if possible..
I'm so glad it's not just me. This game goes from looking breath-taking to looking 8 years old and back quite often.
They’re pretty much limited by the PS4.
@@SevenBlades Consoles are holding games back. I guess the Xbox Series X and PS5 will fix most of that, but, yeah, this game suffered because of limited hardware.
Smh 8 years old? Smh stop reading bro
@@ShokujiAkai Consoles are holding graphics and some gameplay feature back but not games back in general
i mean i don't think many game would have existed if console where not a big sale win
and i am a pc gamer that clearly don't like exclusive (between console or pc console i think we should all have the option to play games) but yeah console do a lot for the gaming industries
@@ShokujiAkai goin by your logic consoles arent holding gaming back as the many pc users that do not upgrade their hardware and use specs BENEATH current gen consoles. So most of pc players
The Texture loading issue has been an issue with the Unreal Engine for a long long time. I remember last gen, most Unreal 3 games just had horrendous texture pop in/loading delay. The fact that Jedi and FF7 also have this, still tell's me it's the way the engine handles texture streaming and it's being designed to be streamed with a 5400rpm drive.
Will be very interesting to see how this is effected on the PS5
Well, it still happens with an ssd on PS4 Pro, which is inexcusable, so I'll guess that although the insanely fast ps5 drive will help you will still have instances where a character gets to touch a surface before the texture pops in.
@@SalveMonesvol Don't forget though, just because you have an SSD in a ps4 doesn't mean it can take advantage of it, I think part of it is a bottleneck from whatever harddrive you have to texture streaming, I think it's using SATA2 if I recall? (we're on sata 3...which is necessary for even standard entry level SSD's) Which is why an SSD does next to nothing on a PS4 except maybe taking a few seconds off of a load time
To be honest it's one of the best showcases of UE4 and compared to the Star Wars game it's leaps and bounds better in many respects, atleast there's a texture to begin with.
Hope they can try and address it somewhat, not expecting a miracle it still is an Unreal engine.
@@poodlemeister22314 The original PS4 uses SATA II, PS4 Pro uses SATA III (not sure about the PS4 Slim)
@@poodlemeister22314 So very true. It's one of the main reasons I opted not to put one in my launch PS4. I do however have a Seagate 1TB SSHD in there. It happens to be one of the earlier models that has the 32GB NAND cache which does appear to make a difference, especially so when I was playing Destiny 2 and GTA V a lot on it. I think Blizzard might be on to something in regards to it being designed with Mechanical drives in mind. I've played several games on PC that just can't leverage even an NVME and still take a while to load. One for example is KOTOR and while it's fast, it's constrained. There's loads of other titles out there that exemplify this.
Here's to hoping that a PC release is down the line or it's something they can address with the PS5's vastly improved tech.
Unreal Engine and textures problem. well who would have thought...
Is that a common issue? Gears games look pretty good. I've used UE4 a bit for work and haven't had any issues.
At least it's not Gamebryo
@@JayJapanB Well the list of unreal engine games with texture streaming issues on consoles goes really far back. more than a decade back. unfortunately
@@JayJapanB It is, Gears games heavily modify the engine so many typical performance characteristics of unreal engine don't show up in those games.
@@Emulcool and pc as well boarderland 3 got massive texture pop in
It's so weird how Advent Children is starting to look a little bit dated compared to this game, imagine what the difference will be when the final part comes out on the PS5.
prolly not much since its going to be a cross gen title
Given Square Enix’s track record, maybe on the ps6? Hahaha
It’ll practically look the same. Engine technology isn’t advancing incredibly fast
They will probably be able to push the visuals further for sure.
You mean PS6.
HD towns have always been the greatest adversary of Square ENix.
Because of laziness. I think only FF IX remaster touched up the backgrounds, maybe VIII (and barely), while Type 0 touched nothing but character models. That's primarily what they aim for; lighting and character models. Eye candy is nice, but if it look out-of-place with environment, that's not good.
@@deadlyydude5522 Well...I don't think the best seen. It is more the aesthetic look the characters have more than anything as they don't use skin texture so much on character models. Asians prefer a more makeup, flawless look rather than the realsitic rendering used in Western games. I think FF XIV RR uses better, actually. But yes, compared to Capcom's engine or Rocksteady and the like, SE prefers style over detail.
I don't mind graphics so much as I do the game itself, but you can tell SE doesn't care to put the same effort into setting, which is bizarre considering the fantasy aspect. Older games and RR textures are about the only consistency you see or if the graphics are B-grade like what they do with Mana series, Kingdom Hearts. Actually....I think Dragon Qeust XI does a good job with what it has, though of course fitted to an art style.
Left Alive looked bland but the lighting effects were good, and we saw the same issue the VII remake has in FF XV (even though that had the excuse of being put together in a short period to get it released). So not sure what the excuse is here other than counting on people only focusing on trademark characters rather than the world reimagined, too.
@@TheMaestro116 Hm? No, the one SE did I'm not familiar with a fan mod, only emulator alterations. I recall seeing an article about the remaster show the slight difference in background, about as much as they did for VIII, but at the same time, it could have been about the mod.
I"m more familiar with the VIII's PC mod that's been around for awhile now which still looks better than the remaster. That is far as background goes; I'm not sure if they released the HD character models.
@@blumiu2426 FFIX and pretty much all of the FFs in the PSOne era are all pre-rendered, hand painted background layered on top of a few simplistic polygon. Comparing those games to how the games currently are being designed is just unfair.
@@aun1426 Then I think you don't understand what is being discussed. It is more what SE decides to update and put attention toward, NOT how the backgrounds were made. And I said the remasters for a reason.
The texture are just paying homage to the Nintendo 64.
A subtle callback to the original FF7
no they save memory so when it go to pc.... it used less space.... i play ff15 on pc now...
@@campkira FFXV is a fucking nightmare on PC and in general
what about aerith's low res flowers by her house?!
that was painful to see
Oh how bout when tifa holds the flower at seventh heaven nextntoncloud and the damn thing looks like a cut piece of paper XD
Omg yes, I was so surprised to see it look that bad... Same with the low res massive backdrop images when you look up or out past the city...
That was the only thing really irritating me about that texture issue
Ff 15 had pretty flowers in that Luna freya scene
13:08 Good to see more games adapting the Pokemon Sword & Shield character pop in.
:3 you do know that pop in happens in a lot of games right? it's not something exclusive to Pokemon Sword and Shield.
DoniArts [ドニアーツ] not like that lol
@@doniarts What they mean is that there's no effective use of dithering, billboard NPCs, low frame rate NPCs, or a mixture of those 3 to hide blatant pop in.
@@lacasadelvideojuego3880 Have you played EX trooper? That games has a very same type of pop in for the characters. What I am saying is sword and shield is not the 1st to have it that specific way.
@@jamesalexander5559 :3 I don't think you got what I meant. What I meant was that sword and shield way of doing it is not exclusive to it, there are other examples of games doing the same. One being Capcoms EX trooper on 3ds and ps3 that came out in 2011 (japan only).
I've noticed the low quality textures (that door sticks out so so much, reminded me of GTA: San Andreas), but I didn't have nowhere near as severe texture streaming issues. For the record, I'm playing on a base PS4 from 2015.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the NPC pop-in, it's really noticeable in some sections, mostly because they don't use dithering to render them in, they just appear.
Fucking 2d sprites as a placeheld LOD would be legit too. Total pop ins trash.
Nice to know FF7 was finally ported to the N64
this is ff 13 with ff7 skins this is not final fantasy
Too much of the memory budget goes into CPU, not a lot is left for the GPU to display high resolution textures.
It's true for a lot of open-world games and games with wide open areas, where there are a lot of NPCs around or alternately a lot of interactive elements.
The PS4 has 8GB of shared memory which needs to be allocated to both CPU and GPU workloads. That is not nearly enough for both at the same time, creating bottlenecks as a result.
@@elimalinsky7069 64 bit for pro cpu. 96 bit for xbox one x cpu.
They can use 7 cores for games. 1 for OS. Thing is this isnt standardly how sony intended. Its suppose to leave 2 cores for OS. And the reason is cache is tied every 2 cores on jaguar. Same with floating point unit. 2.1 and 2.3ghz isnt much to work with. The memory constraints can be partly rectified with blueray streaming lower tier assets and using gpu asynchronous compute for cpu tasks. Its basically cells philosophy in reverse. Cpu is trash. Gpu the muscle. Bottleneck is memory bandwidth. They need to more aggressively drop resolution to standard 2k if they are running out of memory or some custom in between. Problem solved. Jaggeder hair be damned.
So glad you guys confirmed what I thought. I remember being blown away by the demo. Everything was so premium and polished. But after that point there was a very noticeable drop in quality. I almost feel as though inconsistent is worse than consistently average because it makes the drop in quality so jarringly noticeable.
Love your work, DF!
i was not surpise... hence why not in hurry getting the game...
The probably made the demo are look amazing so people would buy the game. I would’ve waited a couple more years to get good textures.
I’m glad that like everyone noticed that damn door at the beginning
hard not to when everything look so good and this thing that look come from ps1....
I was expecting Tom to cover this one - he's the Final Fantasy guy after all.
He's not necessarily the "Final Fantasy guy" as much as he is "the b-team." John and Alex usually handle the bigger AAA releases, while Tom looks at smaller games or re-releases of older games that aren't big enough for a DF Retro.
@@SeanBarkerNegaScott128 Not really. Tom did all the major From Software titles including Sekiro, all the recent recent Call of Duty titles and all The Witcher 3 on all platforms. John and Alex also covered a bunch of small releases over the years. They really seem to be assigning who does what by subjects and franchises rather than by importance.
Tom usually covers the mainstream stuff, COD, Nintendo etc. So yeah I thought he'd cover this too
lol "b-team"
@@SeanBarkerNegaScott128 B-team? wow disrespectful much?
He happens to be my favorite, right to the point, no padding, no nonsense.
Square be like: Let's take YEARS to develop the Luminous engine and then never use it
I think they'll use it more than once. It feels like it wasn't made for this generation of consoles.
Goes to show how hard making a general purpose game engine really is.
@@ArabianFreedom There is a separate team at Square Enix who are still working on it, as well as developing a new (non-FF) game with it.
their own engine is crap and their devs cant even use it. They didnt want to mess up.
I have a feeling they have something in the works for PS5 hoping to see luminous demo at PS5 reveal.
11:59 its quite difficult to focus on the texture of the door... :Đ
Those low res textures remind me of Fallout 76. SIXTEEN TIMES THE DETAIL
Todd's at it again!
A MAP FOUR TIMES LARGER THAN FALLOUT 4
Oh great, Todd’s trying to sell me Fallout now even in other companies’s games
Weird how ff7r gets a pass, while everyone beats on fo76. Sure, 76 is way buggier, but a mistake is a mistake.
@@Wheres_my_Dragonator way buggier? I'm sorry that game was/is fucking broken. So was Fallout 4 on ps4 at launch too, which is why todd aint getting my money again
I get the impression with the texture issues is either a bug or a lack of memory because even thought some areas show where it does correct it's self with better quality textures in time, there are a lot of areas where it doesn't and considering the amount of polygons and textures in a lot of areas on the games, it might be a lack of memory where the problem is.
I hope they fix this on PS5 version.
@@mrxcs It has a lot more memory so assuming it is hard written into the code, it should work better on the PS5 but I suspect they might need to patch it up, this is also assuming those textures are just not low quality textures but I think that is unlikely as that would be a bad mismatch considering the rest of the textures seem high quality, it's a strange one this to get a mix of high quality textures mixed in with really low quality textures and all I can think it could be is either a bug or more likely, lack of memory so they had to pick and choose and if that was the case, I think it would have made more sense to make all the textures look slightly worse so they could cram all of them in that they all look pretty good.
I have watched nearly a dozen of FF7R reviews and no one even mentions it. I find bad textures, the polygons and loading delays so blatant that it makes me almost want to stop and wait (and pray) for a patch. The more I try not to think about it, the more I notice it while playing.
I did excatly this. It appears so much in especially the scenes i was looking for (e.g. church and escort of Aerith) that i put down the game at this point. Don't want to ruin the experience like that, it so destroys the immersion for me. I wait and pray for a patch, or i'll wait for PC version.
becuase review don't care about bug, shitty graphic nor anything... they only care how much they get paid and what the feel compare to other game...
@@Fabio-ql5yf damn I also waited to play it on PS5... so now I will wait until a PS5 Remaster version comes out (hopefully)
@@Fabio-ql5yf still waiting untill Integrate becomes cheaper ;)
@@Fabio-ql5yf There is a free PS5-Update for the PS+ Version since 22th december. XD
I experienced the same texture issues during my work with the review. Good to see I'm not the only one.
Btw, I noticed that some of the background were extremely flat and low polished when you can see the slums from high above, such as chapter 6 (or 7, can't remember for sure) and 15 (almost remind me of the good old pre-rendered backgrounds from the originals). Would love to hear if anyone else experienced the same issue.
@TongueTwisting ClytLicker
Lol. Okay dude.
@TongueTwisting ClytLicker I played the demo and Cloud's hair and every model looks like it was taken from Advent Children
The backgrounds are pretty much a flat wallpaper its pretty jarring when you really look at it. And textures streaming is a unreal 4 issue
Only time the backgrounds stuck out was during the nighttime (that moon feels oh so flat) and when going up to the plate near the end of the game. Other than that, I felt it held up decently enough.
Ha, yeah, the ones later in game really reminded me of the pre-rendered backgrounds from the original, I could almost believe it was an intentional throwback :P Thing is, though, even taking that into consideration that section was gorgeous anyway.
The whole time I was playing the slums I was thinking why are these textures not
Loading now I know why
It definitely seems to be a texture streaming issue. One additional thing you didn't point out in the video is the NPC pop-in which is very jarring, even on my PS4 Pro with an SSD.
Whether or not these can be fixed, we'll have to see.
This is very weird considering how impressive the cutscenes and battles look throughout the whole game.
WindWolf28 *psshhhhh* everyone knows a *SSD* solves EVERYTHING 😂 didn’t you hear mark Cerny with your *EARS* ?
@@beetumdadd1 🤣
@@beetumdadd1 They do and Cerny is right. The whole problem with current-gen consoles is that they were designed with HDDs. Devs are forced to code their games with HDD in mind. So data layout on the drive, sequential (linear) and random (seek) data access are all based on HDD performance, not SSD.
PCI-E 4.0 SSDs (like in the upcoming Xbox Series X and PS5) are much much much better at sequential and random access compared to HDD. This opens the door to completely new data streaming systems, meaning new ways to design the scope of a game.
If you think data streaming is not a big deal in game engines and game design, I'm afraid you are mistaken. Video games are programs. Programs transform data. The faster you access the data, the more you can transform it. The Von Neumann Architecture that's been around for many decades hasn't changed. You want your data to be as close as possible and be accessed as fast as possible. That's what brought us RAM and CPU caches. I hope you won't argue about the importance of these two technologies.
@Naoto I admit it's not very beneficial, I added it because i'm fed up with HDDs ^^.
Naoto I mean you get a lot better than 1 second. Assuming you have a Pro.
Makes me think now how many times Cloud tears his boots up just from walking, his sword bumps the back of his boot ever step! XD
Great video, but I'm left wondering if/how enabling super sampling on the Pro with a 1080p display affects frame rate.
Is it possible a day 1 patch would fix these issues? Or is the first initial patch already out along with review copies?
Good ol' Unreal Engine, gorgeous but has a history of poor data streaming.
Hopefully they'll address some of those texture pop ins but to be honest if that's the worst it's got then bring it on I'm looking forward to you!
Yes, that's unfortunately a real Unreal Classic...
Surprised they didn’t mention that.
@@Keivz they did somewhat with the Star Wars comparison but that game had some SERIOUS data streaming issues in places like the environment not loading at all
I remember playing Borderlands with a lot of texture streaming issues
One thing I really like about unreal engine though is how the work that one developer does could potentially benefit other developers in the future. I suppose this is true of all game engines, forget I said anything.
The first time I was able to start running around Sector 7 and near that apartment, I remember turning the camera around to look at the sky and backdrop and I was truly surprised that they just used a massive flat, non-animated background image... I can understand limitations to the hardware but it just looks cheap...
Thankfully though, the main and supporting character models look fantastic!
You can even see the seam where the sky box is joined. It's not even lined up correctly.
there are 2 school... basic character design and good around graphic or... good character design and stange out of nowhere graphic... either way not surpise...
I'm enjoying the game a lot but I have noticed this weird issue with textures just not loading. One example I can give is the inn door near Seventh Heaven never loads the door texture matter how many times I go back the door never loads it's texture. Have you guys encountered this? Edit: Never mind you answered my question in the video!
Those town textures are seriously PS2 quality... I have no words. Pretty bad when FF15 had way better textures in a far more open world, and that game released 5 years ago.
3 years ago... But I get ur point.
@@grimey989 2015
FF15 have performance issue though, especially frame pacing and culling. This one have worst texture but runs very stable at 30 FPS. Minus unavoidable small dips here. and there.
XV was not good, maybe on PC in 4k, but on the base PS4, no, it was a shit show.
It came out in 2016
That Door texture was bugging me so much.. I came onto digital foundry to make sure my PS4 Pro wasn't Falling apart.
Same
I don't have a problem waiting for a PS5 release. Native 4K@60fps, higher texture resolution and the complete edition of the game.
See you in 10 years
It's going to be years from now. And if you want all of the ff7 remake next gen feature. Then you have to buy it again.
Most likely since its sequels it's going to be a bundle with all 3 remakes on the Ps5 is first one free and the other two will have to buy. Weird scenario thinking about it.
@jvalex18 ok
The fighting theme that sounds at 9:00 is a remix of the Remake? I really like it, it is somewhere in youtube?
im searching it too, couldnt find it
Can you state the fps count for ps4 pro in 1080p, is it still 30 or does it go past it?
That Lost Odyssey shoutout
2:28 actually the Uncharted series does this really well too to hide loading
desertfish74 , they have for a few seconds then camera cuts to load new locations
@@desertfish74 Uncharted 4 uses a mix of real time and fmv's. Mostly real time, but there is still some fmv there.
@@desertfish74 There are very few, very short pre-rendered scenes in UC4, but they never persist for more than a few seconds. It's still rendered in-engine, just not in real-time. They're used when transitioning to an entirely new location or scene, and you can tell when they're FMVs as the photo mode won't give you the same freedom as in the normal cutscenes.
@@arrowknee7356 what is fmv?
@@MrRaphaelLippi video
I think the door texture is a bug. My version loaded correctly, but there are many instances where the textures do seem incomplete. I've also noticed a few pop ins. Do you guys think this could be a case for the disc vs hdd issue? I am using a digital version.
I have an SSD in my pro. Would that potentially prevent pop-in or mitigate it? I never had the loading issues on last year's Star Wars game. I beat it before even realizing other people had moments where the game would freeze to load.
12:43 Alex is so talented he just invented the word ‘rubbage’. We learn something everyday from DF 😀
yeah,it seems to be an auto config on unreal that locks the VRAM constraints to keep FPS 30 a priority, but by doing so it locks the texture quality.
There's also a fixed delay for loading that on UE based PC games you can just remove in config options.
Thats EXACTLY what I thought too. Lack of vram was my initial thought, seeing as the ps4 has a total of 8gb, including system and vram. Thats no where near enough for a modern game
The texture load in issue is not as noticeable on my PS4 Pro. I tried the same test as you show in the video and it’s much faster than displayed here. My PS4 Pro is the very first generation, preordered on announcement
The background bitmaps in some stages were horrendous.
But my god what a remarkable game.
Captured the essence of the original.
I cannot imagine how long I will have to wait for the next part of the story.
Thanks for this. Though, I'm really curious about which external SSD was used just for looking around like that ingame. Also good performance at the cost of a bunch of meme textures throughout the game is quite a little price. Eager to know how PC will eventually handle the game when it comes to framerate / frametime.
I assume the texture resolution issues are related to the texture streaming pool size. Especially if both pro and stock ps4 has the same streaming pool size.
Jonen560ti no not the same
@@d34th6un3 Are you sure?
Question regarding the soundtrack: I noticed in the demo that previously unforgettable tracks lose variation and identity, as the composers seem to have been overly reliant on using strings (and general "orchestral" style). Is the soundtrack like that more or less throughout the game, or is there more musical variation later on?
there's way more variety later one, especially in the slums
@@MikaMausArt Alright! Glad to hear it. :)
guys is there any difference in ps4 pro 1080p? Do the textures load in faster?
Streaming speed of quality textures has always been an issue for the Unreal Engine. Especially when you're dealing with lower end specs for consoles relative to PCs. Some of the early Gears of War games on the 360 are perfect examples. It is strange though that some of those textures, for example on the door, stay at a low res. My guess is there's a bug where where some textures aren't fully streaming in.
Let's hope it's that and can be addressed in a patch and not them rushing the game out or not giving artists enough of a global vram budget to make every object at least look like a PS4 game, some of those models and textures are worse than some PS2 games. What baffles me is that KH3 and Gears 4/5 are all UE4 and look great with minimal issues.
Idk, to me it seems like it is not just the textures themselves, but the RIDICULOUSLY low traingle count as well. A lot of the objects are just waaaay to pointy. Almost everything that is supposed to be round, like some tables and most notably pipes look more like octagons. Mindboggling, considering 90% of midgar is filled with pipes!
Plus, it does not feel like some of the textures would even have a higher res model. Some, like the by now infamous apartment door I agree with, look like a streaming issue, but most others, for example on the ground, the mototrcycle at 11:14, the clutter at 12:50 appear as if even if there was a higher res model they would look at best like a bad ps3 model. Might just be my gut feeling, but a lot of them look like they just are that bad :(
If there is one thing a cannot stand it's low res textures! The only thing I hate more is low triangle count...
I'm kinda wondering if it's a memory issue.. ran out of memory for additional high resolution textures so just had to stay with the low resolution texture? With consoles it's impossible to know as there is no way to monitor the GPU, CPU or Memory utilization.
Shadowdane Dunno how it works exactly on consoles but in PC, this is indeed a hint about a lack of Vram BUT not to the point of not going to the high res textures, if you choose to use high res textures and your Vram is not enough ( well you will notice stutter first of all ) the system uses the HDD/SSD to help which lead to this problem ( textures loding slowly but not to the point of not loading fully at all ). I’m sure they try to optimize it more on consoles but the concept should be the same I think.
There might be a day one patch to address it.
its gon release on PC in late 2021, cant wait to see the graphics
@Chosenxeno they were for free on Epic Games, I have some 100+ games from Epic for free, can't complain.
Plus Ive got PS4 as well so Im guilty of doing double dips when there's re-release of games highly regarded
play ff15 right now.. the randam framerate drop still a issue...
I don't seem to be having too many texture issues, and I'm playing on a normal PS4. Rarely, the posters etc will be low res for a quick second but immediately load in. It barely happens for me.
I've noticed the texture issues as well when I first entered the slums, performance is definitely consistent though. It distracted me but wasn't a deal breaker personally. (PS4 pro internal SSD)
Off topic here, I know. But damn! I want to see Cloud's sword in Monster Hunter World. I hope we get something collaborative eventually.
It's actually Angeal's sword. :P
@@simonizer2409 bruh
They did a Final Fantasy crossover already, so while I don't think it's very likely, it's not outside the realm of possibility.
If you are playing on PC, you can easily mod it. But yeah, an official collab would be nice, although there already was a FF collab, more specifically FFXIV (Behemoth)
Simon Hihn lol oops. I never had the privilege to play the original FF7. The remake looks impressive. Just holding out on some pc news atm.
Those PS2 textures though
@Zack Smith yup
ps1...
who did that dnb battle theme remix at 9:15? its not original ost from the game is it?
I remember Tom Clancy's Division having the same problem with Lods taking forever to load in, wont stop it from being a banger though considering a lot of game ship with sub par performance instead. hopefully they can deliver a patch to manage the streaming better, im impressed that it shipped to begin with
I love anything Digital foundry related :) It's always interesting to learn how games and graphics work in a professional and calming way
(funny at times too, i still can't forget how some people pronounce Wolfenstein XD!)
Starfals ok ok ok you could let go of the meat now. Jesus what a circle jerk
I'm astonished by the negativity down here. Sure some of the texture detail looks subpar, but the lighting, particle effects, geometry of the environments, polygon count of the character / enemy models, reflection mapping, motion blur etc looks absolutely phenomenal to me. So much so that FFVII Remake is easily one of the best looking games games of the gen.
The fact that the art direction is stunning also helps.
I honestly find the criticism of the short falls in the texturing disproportionate to just how exceedingly pretty the game looks as a whole.
I think the main reason is precisely because a lot of the games looks so good, that the parts of the game that do look bad becomes VERY jarring and distracting. What would normally be an amazing experience of running around and enjoying the environments, becomes a constant stream of “What was THAT? Is that a bug? Is there something wrong with my system?” thoughts.
Your inner fangirl / boy blinds you then. Objectively speaking the FF 7 Remake isn't even anywhere near being one of the best looking PS 4 games. Not.even.close.
@@fortitudo-9552 What a moronic reply, I'm patently a guy by the way, hence the name.
For me, objectively speaking, FFVII Remake is absolutely one of the best looking games on the PS4, it's all subjective at the end of the day. The geometry of the environments, animations, main character models and boss design details, particle effects, and lighting, it excels in all of these areas from a technical standpoint, helped by the superb art direction.
A few subpar textures aren't enough to disqualify the game from being the running for the best looking PS4 game..
Id be interested to know what DF think about the view from above while still doing the sector 7 missions. (Trying not to spoil anything or be too descriptive). Looks like one big texture, but really flat and wrong perspective.
I noticed that too... It looks pretty cool at first but the more you look at it you realize like everything is just a big texture, and not even a 1080p texture at that, noticeably blurred almost like the original FF7 backgrounds lol
@@MetalArcade yeah, i was like "atleast its nostalgic".
It looks like it was made and they had to skew it to fit.
Could this be something that will be fixed via the day 1 patch? I wonder if this was related to their delay . And this is what needed “ extra time for polish”
I hope John's df retro looks at the PC Port of ff7 by eidos. That was how I first experienced it and PC gaming back then was quirky. Ff7 was very hard to get working and windows 98 would glitch out randomly if you so much as sneezed in promixity to your PC to the point where you had to make a full format reinstall almost a yearly spring cleaning event. I remember being a mainstay on the eidos forums and a few tricks back then was copying the movies from the disc to hard drive and editing the registry because even a full install streamed movies...among countless other things we did to get the game working.
I had FF8 on Windows 98. I remember getting to a building on some cliff and that guy Zell or whatever his name was kept talking about liberating your home and then the game crashed and the PC got a virus from America Online and we didn't bother getting it fixed. That was around 2001 and I didn't get another PC until 2004
Oh god o remember those days.... dos games worked great nearly all the time... then windows came along and games went from floppy disc to cd... this was the beginning of all the problems it seemed... at least to me at the time as a child.
Figuring out how to properly install a game and make it run was often times more fun than the actual game.
@@HomeDefender30 Nah, DOS games had HEAPS of problems that sometimes, you couldn't do anything about (like games being written per-cycle rather than delta time), Windows did add problems but allowed for much better games, and most issues would have existed back in the DOS era as well.
@AnEn Some games were extremely temperamental, where a single reboot could somehow change it to not work. It would require a reinstall of the entire OS to work right, and I remember having to do that on Windows XP as well.
I believe that PC port is considered or might be one of the worst and problematic ever (at least I've worked/played with). Also, coudn't finish the game, because after a PC hw failure and pretty much same system after fix, game just refused to run... Later I found out it was quite the miracle that I managed to make it run and play in the first time. Kinda sad I never finished the game, think I was at golden saucer, and maybe at least past good 3rd of the game maybe a bit more. I'll assume that the best way ro experience the old game is emulation these days.
pepsiman at the end, licensed games df retro?
No different modes on PS4 Pro (Performance vs Quality)?
IT wouldn't be a digital foundry video without them coming in for motion blur lol, good analysis and leaves me hopeful that the pc version will be awesome
It's really faithful to original game, you can see it looking at the textures of the Remake!
Felipe Peixoto bravo square
Really enjoying the visuals here. But MAN, 60 fps on PS5 would really benefit the experience imo.
True, but they choose 30fps.. Higher chance of a stable fps.
@@elitebeing21 Well they did an amazing job on PS4. Very impressive how stable it is.
I just hope they future proofed it for the PS5.
@@KaiSchSp same. I don't won't them to upscale it though. I pay for it again if i can get everything ps5 offers.
Agreed.
On base ps4, i think that 1080p30 was the right call, but seeing the "4k ready" ps4 PRO failing to stay above 1440p at all times has been disappointing.
On the other hand, the ps5 should be able to run native 4k @60fps with higher quaity graphics, specially much better textures, and solve most of the texture pop in issue. It will be interesting.
@@SalveMonesvol I doubt it will run 4k60. I have a 2080ti and for a game like RDR2 which I just finished I could only get 1440/60 on ultra.
That’s cool that you guys pay attention to details I don’t even think about. I’m just excited to play it. A little less than 2 days to do so.
They've done the loading on the background / during the cutscene's pretty much perfectly! Except that sometimes there are some textures loading in late, hopefully they can patch that on day 1.
11:00 Gosh! The drop in texture quality is massive! That can't be displaying as intended. :O
You would think for a game that has 100GB and isn't as open world as FFXV they would have superior textures and lighting.
Its a hardware issue, Mike Cerny with his ps5 presentation actually highlights the issues plagueing ps4 hardware , and its funny how ff7 remake is bringing all the ps4 hardware limitations to light so soon after that presentation, basically the hardrive is too slow... the ps5 more than rectifies the issue with its bleeding each hardrive tech (until pc catches up less than a year later)
Im starting to think the 100GB is from the cut scenes. Every time they zoom in the models and textures look way better. I'm thinking those zoomed in cut scenes are all pre-rendered.
It’s the PlayStation 4. Not the Engine.
Shadow Price you know how I’m sure your premise is wrong? The fan on my PS4 Pro does not get as wicked loud on FF7 Remake as it does on RE3, not even close. Obviously it’s not a “hardware” issue as you might believe-it’s for sure an issue of either the engine (given how Horizon Zero Dawn [Decima Engine vs Unreal] plays beautifully and with way more high-res rendering) or of Square-Enix developing team not optimizing the game thoroughly enough. By the way, RE3 looks leagues better in my opinion.
@@chan13153 I agree. It'd those Cutscenes literally 9 hours of Cutscenes
Yeah texture lag is pretty prevalent in ps4 pro. thats what ive noticed on pro. I dont know, but i would assume this is also true for base ps4. Anyway to fix that? Is it an engine problem?
Does playing on PS4 Pro and locking the resolution to 1080p instead of higher help aliviate the Texture streaming issues?
Curious about Super Sampling mode myself.
I've been desperate for this tech review. I was lucky enough to get the game Friday (3rd) but have actually stopped playing it until the day 1 patch is released in the hopes they fix the low res texture issue. Its REALLY distracting and I feel is taking something away from this game so I really so hope they can fix it.
Very excited for John's Final Fantasy 7 digital foundry retro episode! Amazing work as always guys.
Kudos to you, I thought of doing the same thing but it was 9 days between when I got it and when it was supposed to come out. I finished it a couple of days ago and its really just the hub areas that only suffer from technical issues. The majority of the game looks perfect.
Better play the game its will not have a patch its a unreal engine problem+ low power of the ps4 you get great caracter model and poor background you just cant have both
And square choose quality caracter model over environement model
Deal with its man
@@legros731 nope. Still gonna hold on, see what can be done. I'm fine with waiting, got Divinity 2 keeping my occupied 😁
There is no day 1 patch. Its not a bug folks. Its how it is built. They cant handle open world at those settings so they turn everyone down .
@@cristiannegru8038 I'm not technically minded at all. I'm sure theres an easy answer to this but why is it that God of War looked so much better and the areas in that are far more vast? I don't remember seeing a single low res bush or wall..
It would've been nice if they could include a Crisis Core HD Remaster with this.
I'm hoping for that and Advent Children DLC down the line..
@@NeoNinjaX87 Yes that would complete the 7 saga. Hopefully when all the episodes are released they do a special compilation with both Advent Children and Crisis Core HD.
Not needed because our boy Zack is in it!
there are no enough space
Is it the same bug as unreal engine 3.. where textures load slowly or never load
Seems to be. It doesn't seem to be a bug but a design choice at this point on Epic's part. Especially on lower specced hardware. Fallen Order does the same thing but when textures are working it looks amazing. However the fact that it doesn't happen earlier in the game makes me think some kind of settings tweak need to be done in-order to keep that from happening often. I know UE4 bases it on distance and if the bounding boxes need to be tweaked a bit to get it stream textures properly, but it could also be the amount of data they have in the town. They constantly have to keep changing texture mipmap LOD. I'm hoping there is a patch to fix this.
what about the lowres textures when looking up at the upper plates.
It does really feel like a bug with the textures. I see a day one patch coming on release. Will be a good excuse to replay it.
A good excuse to replay is better looking rocks? lol
You've never played the game.
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 What do you mean? I got it in the post early. I can link my insta if you really want. Alot of people got it early.
@@solarplexus7 theres bad unloaded looking textures everywhere. So yeah, itll be interesting to see what changes after a patch. And i said excuse, as in, ill be playing it again anyway. 😉
The most interesting thing about this is that pretty much all of these technical failings are addressed in the next generation of console so i'm confident that the PS5 port of this game will be quite amazing as well as the next part of the story given that it will most likely not be on the PS4 or the XB1.
I think that for higher sales the next part will be on both PS4 and PS5. Not everyone will jump directly into next gen, and SE would like to sell as many copies of the game as possible (100+ million PS4 user, higher probability that more people will buy the game, compared to several millions users of PS5, which will be new to market). So probably the series is stuck with the current gen at least for another game.
No its a unreal engine problem no amount of power can overcome this
Lot of game got this texture pop in issue like boarderland 2/3 ist on pc as well even with the best pc
Did they divide the game in parts? So this one doesn't include full story like the original?
@@ojasthengadi9681 No, it doesn't. It's basically the first 5-8 hours of the original game, streched into 30+ hours here.
@@SkyGeekWave so they are charging 200$ for a game that they sold for like 30$ decades ago.
SE never fails to disappoint me
I cannot wait for John's DF Retro episode!
I'm wondering what the Day 1 patch will address.
16:30 When Alex finds out that John is not just his colleague, but also a friend.
I REALLY want to get this, but am waiting for the inevitable “next gen” release or patch.
Looks great for console! I'm wondering how loud the fans get though? Playing GOW makes my Pro really rev.
I'm stoked for the DF Retro episode!
It's an impressive feat the game is running on a ps4 at all - the backend development on FF7 Remake must be ridiculously optimized.
I expected the texture issues and some were visible in the demo. Dragon Quest XI is another Square Enix developed Unreal 4 game and it has the same problems with textures remaining low for a long time and some just staying low permanently, so I doubt this is a bug. Not a big deal, the game looks amazing but I'm looking forward to the PS5 patch.
Yep, going into the ini file to bump up texture loading/update, distance scale, LOD, etc. Was most noticeable to me when out in the grassy areas. So out of the box, the FF7r PC release may have similar issues unless they hear the complaints and tweak the default values beforehand, I can see it being more bothersome with this art style compared to DQ's.
Damn that sucks. And devs never fixed it?
I’d love to see you talk about Chapter 16 and its SSR implementation.
Yeah but will my ps pro take off like the jet it sounds like during some games and fly away?
Remake looks very good, but games with TAA should at least have a sharpening option.
In tv settings go to sharpness and put that shit on 100. Rocket science at an affordable price.
@@GForceIntel The implementations on TVs tend to be quite bad though. First thing I turn off on a new TV.
@@archetype6351 That makes it extremely blurry?
@@GForceIntel There are some TVs were the minimum setting actually applies a blur to the image, in those cases you have to find a middle ground. But most of the time you just turn it off and the image is displayed as it should. One way to notice if the sharpness is too high is by checking edges for ringing, sort of a white halo. Oversharpening also causes some artifacts let's say on a compressed video to be far more noticeable.
Enjoy your sharpening halos on text.
The real question is "what are those ghosts from harry pottery."
Apparently they have something to do with keeping the timeline intact, you know to make sure the characters stay on the right path.
They essentially turn the remake into a sequel.
They keep Biggs and Wegde alive and, supposedly, going to keep Aerith from dying.
so.. this is a new FFVII sequel. got it
Hmmm, more like a new way of butchering FFVII's story.
Can you guys check with ssd installed ps4 pro if the flowers around aerith house are still lego like, I wonder if that gets fix other wise I still revisit this game in ps5 this game is 10/10
Pro and ssd samsung evo 860 1tb user here, hi
Those NEVER load, same shitty quality
Need patch asap
Have you tested the texture issues with a internal ssd?
The textures killing it for me at the moment. I hope patches will fix this.
I think the trade off is, you get extremely high polygon characters and environments, while we severely cut the detail of some objects so the console doesn't freeze and crash.
that’s patchable so it’s likely
Lower polyfy.
Bump map it and have decent textures. Was so close to being a must buy.
@@remasteredretropcgames3312 it's the fault of current gen consoles. Games are trying to look better and more detailed, but PS4 and Xbox one is severely outdated for such ambition. Every console generation has consoles end with games that look too detailed, but at the expense of graphical sacrifices in things you won't stare at for too long. This is a current gen problem, not a final fantasy problem. PS4 and Xbox one just cannot keep up. Conker's bad fur day was the Nintendo 64's most detailed game, but the price of that was a bad framerate.
@@deepmind5318 Pseudo advanced trollmanship there deep mind. GFY.
Not gonna lie, some of those textures look like they're from Sword and Shield
I've noticed the low res textures, but I haven't seen the texture streaming issue. But I'm running a regular PS4 with a 1TB Crucial SSD.
Playing the game right now and loving it but the textures and the skybox of midgar and the slums below having just a flat look is hard to not notice.
The texture issue has started to bug me so much that I've decided to hold off on playing the game until it's fixed. :/ It really is immersion breaking for me.
Whole chapter 8 locations are catastrophic 😱
I dropped the game there
I'm playing it right now, it looks amazing!
Enjoy those hallways !
Thanks a lot DF guys !
i was very curious if the texture might be fixed in a day1 patch but it seems so wide spreed that it might be unlikely.
or it's on purpose to get you to buy the PS5 release... /s