You give me brain candy for thinking Trelawny was also a rat. Maybe he was the one who told the law about the train robbery in chp. 2 since at that time Micha was already in jail (not canonically but in my playthrough is true because I did every other mission before saving that rat Micha)
There was no second rat, pretty sure its unexplained how they got there in time. I think its because train robbery was common, patrolling the railroad was a tactic. Used against Butch Cassidy Wild Bunch. In 1899 is, or 1901, where the gang was disbanded. Plus using the word "rat Micah", first off: Be original, and second, theories aren't meant to be taken seriously. Its not gta, this is rdr2
You kinda identify one of the issues with a lot of the “rat” theories in RDR2. Many of them only make sense if you assume a linear timeline during playthrough, which of course is not the case. Any theory that can be debunked by things being in a slightly different order doesn’t work. Thats why the “Micha was the only rat” and even then only after they got back to the mainland” is probably the best theory. Plus, it makes more thematic sense that the noose was just closing around the gang as the world changed, Dutch liked Micha because Dutch is a narcissist and Micha scratched the itch, and Dutch was spreading paranoia about rats in the gang who didn’t exist until Dutch went off the deep end. PS also I think Rockstar purposefully set it up so that Trelawny’s movements seem more suspicious UNLESS the player happens upon the “Easter egg” of finding his family. The game has plenty of things like this that just go unanswered unless the player does every encounter and stumbles on every Easter egg.
I honestly don't think trelawny's loyalty is any less than the rest of them. If you think about it, the whole gang are using each other as a means to an end. None of them are there just to be there. They're all there with hopes of the better future that was promised as part of the group
I would expect him just absolutely leaving America so he does not get hunted down like the remains of the gang like Bill, Javier... And ultimately John. What I wonder the most is what's the fate of Sadie and Charles, two characters that had stood behind Arthur's back because of his kindness
Sadie was only with the gang canonically for about 5 months and 3 of those months she was stuck in the camp until Lemoyne and wasn’t there when the Pinkertons raided beaver hollow so she was not even on their radar as existing. The small village raid after Guarma they were focusing on the known gang members and a girl would slip past even if she was also shooting at them since they wouldn’t have gotten a clear description let alone a name in all that chaos
@@jackmendez8579 They knew the gang but not Sadie herself...although in later Sadie does get involved..but never was a true part of the gang...therefore in Online and during John's arc of RDR2 we see her become a bounty hunter...the question is did she remain a bounty hunter for long or did she move elsewhere and got re-married (which is rather unlikely considering she only loved her husband )
@@MrTrool323Sadie isn’t a bounty hunter online, she lives with her husband in the shack from the prologue, her husband gives you missions, online is set before the events of the main game
I think after leaving, trelawny probably moved his family to england, so to put as much distance between him and his crimes and masked it as "taking the boys back to their ancestral roots"
I've always seen/looked at Trelawny as an 'Associate' to the Gang and not a member like the rest of them. The amount of time he is away doing his own thing, along with him never staying at the camp. Then when you add the information/conversation where Dutch, Hosea and Arthur are reminiscing/telling stories (in the going fishing mission in Chapter 3) about past random encounters they had bumping into Trelawny (like they did in this very mission - when he is in the prison wagon). Then when you consider that he has his own family life in Saint Denis also adds weight to Trelawny being only an 'Associate' ro the gang (in my opinion). He only stayed at the camp after he was rescued by Arthur and Charles from the bounty hunters that had caught him (again Chapter 3). Anyways, that's how I always consider/see him whenever I play the game.
At the end you say that it's weird that he wasn't recognized but they weren't really known over there I mean they literally became deputies of a town not far from Saint Denis
The actors for John and Arthur said that he can’t be the strange man. Trelawny heavily resembles the Strange Man in both appearance and attire, but Rockstar Games have confirmed that he is not the Strange Man. However, Arthur mentions in his journal, prior to the ferry robbery in Blackwater, that he saw a stranger that looks like Trelawny, even though he hadn't seen him for months.
The bounty on Dutch might just have been too tempting. And combined with the bounty on the others in the gang.... Yeah. I can se that Trelawny might have tipped off the Pinkertons. As Arthur sais... he is shady and does things mainly for his own benefit. And.. he has a family to support. A big bounty might be his way out. He might even have got the offer os a "safe pass" if he helped the pinkertons catch Dutch and the gang. Slowly leading dutch into the trap. I can see that...
I strongly doubt it. Much like Strauss, I think Trelawny was meant to be a character that comes off like a rat, but really isn't. I think he proved himself when he got captured by bounty hunters, and didn't say anything even after being tortured. Just like Strauss and the Pinkertons.
if you get into a fight out in the street by the tailor right before meeting Trelawny for the riverboat mission. Trelawny will come down and choke your opponent out and loot him 😂… but you have to block and move instead of knocking the guy out until Trelawny he gets there.
You give me brain candy for thinking Trelawny was also a rat. Maybe he was the one who told the law about the train robbery in chp. 2 since at that time Micha was already in jail (not canonically but in my playthrough is true because I did every other mission before saving that rat Micha)
Lmao that’s what I’m doing with this play through
There was no second rat, pretty sure its unexplained how they got there in time. I think its because train robbery was common, patrolling the railroad was a tactic. Used against Butch Cassidy Wild Bunch. In 1899 is, or 1901, where the gang was disbanded. Plus using the word "rat Micah", first off: Be original, and second, theories aren't meant to be taken seriously. Its not gta, this is rdr2
You kinda identify one of the issues with a lot of the “rat” theories in RDR2. Many of them only make sense if you assume a linear timeline during playthrough, which of course is not the case. Any theory that can be debunked by things being in a slightly different order doesn’t work.
Thats why the “Micha was the only rat” and even then only after they got back to the mainland” is probably the best theory. Plus, it makes more thematic sense that the noose was just closing around the gang as the world changed, Dutch liked Micha because Dutch is a narcissist and Micha scratched the itch, and Dutch was spreading paranoia about rats in the gang who didn’t exist until Dutch went off the deep end.
PS also I think Rockstar purposefully set it up so that Trelawny’s movements seem more suspicious UNLESS the player happens upon the “Easter egg” of finding his family. The game has plenty of things like this that just go unanswered unless the player does every encounter and stumbles on every Easter egg.
Well, your theory is already self-admittedly flawed
@@earnem4175if you buy a newspaper it says the law was tipped off
I honestly don't think trelawny's loyalty is any less than the rest of them. If you think about it, the whole gang are using each other as a means to an end. None of them are there just to be there. They're all there with hopes of the better future that was promised as part of the group
He had a family so therefore it was less than the rest as he wasn’t willing to risk himself and therefore them to the degree of no return.
I would expect him just absolutely leaving America so he does not get hunted down like the remains of the gang like Bill, Javier... And ultimately John.
What I wonder the most is what's the fate of Sadie and Charles, two characters that had stood behind Arthur's back because of his kindness
Sadie was only with the gang canonically for about 5 months and 3 of those months she was stuck in the camp until Lemoyne and wasn’t there when the Pinkertons raided beaver hollow so she was not even on their radar as existing. The small village raid after Guarma they were focusing on the known gang members and a girl would slip past even if she was also shooting at them since they wouldn’t have gotten a clear description let alone a name in all that chaos
@@jackmendez8579 They knew the gang but not Sadie herself...although in later Sadie does get involved..but never was a true part of the gang...therefore in Online and during John's arc of RDR2 we see her become a bounty hunter...the question is did she remain a bounty hunter for long or did she move elsewhere and got re-married (which is rather unlikely considering she only loved her husband )
@@MrTrool323Sadie isn’t a bounty hunter online, she lives with her husband in the shack from the prologue, her husband gives you missions, online is set before the events of the main game
@@GusBDamme That was a misshap with online,forgot it was happening prior to the events of RDR2
I think after leaving, trelawny probably moved his family to england, so to put as much distance between him and his crimes and masked it as "taking the boys back to their ancestral roots"
Based ancestral roots
I've always seen/looked at Trelawny as an 'Associate' to the Gang and not a member like the rest of them.
The amount of time he is away doing his own thing, along with him never staying at the camp. Then when you add the information/conversation where Dutch, Hosea and Arthur are reminiscing/telling stories (in the going fishing mission in Chapter 3) about past random encounters they had bumping into Trelawny (like they did in this very mission - when he is in the prison wagon).
Then when you consider that he has his own family life in Saint Denis also adds weight to Trelawny being only an 'Associate' ro the gang (in my opinion).
He only stayed at the camp after he was rescued by Arthur and Charles from the bounty hunters that had caught him (again Chapter 3).
Anyways, that's how I always consider/see him whenever I play the game.
i feel he died happily in his Sleep at 73 years old surrounded by a family who didn't know what he was in the 1800s
I kinda think that trelawny took his family and went east in europe where he established new way of living
His family. There you go.
Trelawny is a real Mr. Inbetween
This game still finds ways to surprise me
I like to think Trilony and his family escape back to England and lives a quiet life in the country
My guess is he ended up with his hidden family, that’s why he wasn’t with the gang at the beginning and it’s likely where he went by the end
Mom i found the third meteorite
Don't you know? He became the Strange Man in RDR1
At the end you say that it's weird that he wasn't recognized but they weren't really known over there I mean they literally became deputies of a town not far from Saint Denis
Should be cool if, son became outlaw in red redemption 3 and figure out how he really was in the future theory.
I always thought He was the strange man since they both have similar look
Nah it’s been confirmed the strange man is death
@@OhWowThatsDumb Also, even if he *was* the Strange Man, wouldn't John have easily recognized him?
The actors for John and Arthur said that he can’t be the strange man. Trelawny heavily resembles the Strange Man in both appearance and attire, but Rockstar Games have confirmed that he is not the Strange Man. However, Arthur mentions in his journal, prior to the ferry robbery in Blackwater, that he saw a stranger that looks like Trelawny, even though he hadn't seen him for months.
I like to think trelawny tried to lave the country on the titanic and died where his body was used by death itself to become the strange man
Good man . With a good name
Crazy idea but He?
Is really gavin!
That's exactly what I was thinking and would explain a lot.
Trelawny is Gavin. Change my mind.
Trelawney is Gavin.
What happened to him? He disappeared, like any other computer file.
He was born in Cornwall, England? That proves he was a rat because he was squealing to the Pinkerton's who worked for Leviticus Cornwall.
Trelawny probably went on the titanic and died :P
He is the "strange man"
My dogs name is mitt
Mitt
Nice
Like Mitt Romney 😂😂😂
My dog is just named Blue
And???
Trelawny would be a better boss than dutch lmao
Been saying He was the rat
The bounty on Dutch might just have been too tempting.
And combined with the bounty on the others in the gang....
Yeah. I can se that Trelawny might have tipped off the Pinkertons.
As Arthur sais... he is shady and does things mainly for his own benefit.
And.. he has a family to support.
A big bounty might be his way out. He might even have got the offer os a "safe pass" if he helped the pinkertons catch Dutch and the gang.
Slowly leading dutch into the trap.
I can see that...
I strongly doubt it. Much like Strauss, I think Trelawny was meant to be a character that comes off like a rat, but really isn't. I think he proved himself when he got captured by bounty hunters, and didn't say anything even after being tortured. Just like Strauss and the Pinkertons.
if you get into a fight out in the street by the tailor right before meeting Trelawny for the riverboat mission.
Trelawny will come down and choke your opponent out and loot him
😂…
but you have to block and move instead of knocking the guy out until Trelawny he gets there.
Naww I’m trying this🤣
Trelawny was dutches satellite